Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur is FINALLY drafted, goes to the Browns + could 100 men take down 1 gorilla?!

Episode Date: April 27, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Antoine Walker react to Oklahoma City Thunder sweeping the Memphis Grizzlies, the Cleveland Cavaliers go up 3-0 on the Miami Heat, & Shedeur finally gets drafted to the Cleveland browns at pick 144 & much more!01:50 - Thunder sweeps Grizz16:24 - Cavs beat the Heat21:00 - Shedeur is drafted41:31 - Jags to let Hunter play both sides46:22 - LT officially says no to Abdul Carter wearing 5652:00 - Twitter Debate54:48 - Q and Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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13 to 24, 11 of 13 free throws. They end up sweeping the Memphis Grizzlies and you know, it was over. They had a 27-point lead job goes up comes down and Hey that lead dissipate they end up losing that game So, you know the it was just a matter of time before they ended up getting swept. So They passed the first test, you know, they've been the best team in the Western Conference for the entire the other season twine. So What do you think they're gonna play the entirety of the season, Twon. So, what do you think? They're going to play the winner of the Clippers Nuggets series.

What you like? Can anybody pose a threat to them? Honestly, I just think they don't have that next guy. I think Shay should be the MVP this year. Could have won it last year. I wouldn't have had no problem with it. I think this year he gets it. I don't see it the second guy.

I just haven't seen, I mean, we know we have some... You don't like Jay Dewey? Excuse me. I do like him, but I need to see him put to the test. I need to see him put to the test where he had to get 30, 35 on a given night. Right. So until I see that, I just don't trust them against a veteran team.

I just think you get one of those, the Clippers or Denver, whichever team you face, those guys have been there before, they're gonna know how to guard you. The respect levels are a little different. They got the toughness to go in your building to get a win. Right.

That's where they're gonna be a little different at. It's actually not, it's actually kind of bad for them to see either one of those teams because those teams are older teams and the veteran teams that can give them trouble because they know how to play in the playoffs. So neither one of those teams are gonna be great matchups for them,

but they are a great home team. And by winning it, by having the best record, I always say this, it means something when you take care of business in the season. Because you get those most important games on the floor, on your floor, you get that five and seven. You get five and seven on your home floor. That's why you take care of business during the season. I never forget that. You always want to have that home court advantage. So that's where they can have the advantage because they play so great in that building. But it's going to be tough for them.

The next rounds are going to be tough for them. Look for them to be long series. And can anybody else step up and help Shay out? We know Shay's going to have some moments where he gets 35, 40, hell, maybe even 45. Who's going to be that next guy that steps up? And that's going to be remaining to be seen. Hey Tuan, so basically probably OKC is similar to in the same situation based on who they play whether it be the Nuggets, whether it be the Clippers, they're gonna be in a similar

situation like the Rockets right now with the Warriors. Yeah, it's just not saying that they're young, I mean the OKC guys have been together a while, I just think, and you guys know that, so I just and Shady goes back to what you did to start the show off. We started naming stars You only named Shady. You didn't name nobody else off OKC. That's a team that won 60 games this year Think about it. You didn't name two or three guys off of OKC I just don't think there's nothing wrong with that. They have great complimentary guys. They got great role players I just don't see that next superstar a guy that can help you win a game. Who's gonna go win the game besides Shay? I want to see that. Let's see the next guy step up and get 30-35 Let's see Shay have 10 points a bad night foul trouble. He don't get it done

Who's gonna be that next guy that steps up for now? So that remains to be seen That's where the test is gonna come in at. Yeah, I look I Didn't think Memphis was gonna do much And when um Scottie Pippen jr. Was your best player on the Memphis Grizzlies and he's uh I'm happy for him because he seemingly found a home in Memphis and they're giving him opportunity to showcase his ability. But I didn't really expect much from Memphis in this series. Even with Jaab, maybe they could have got a game.

Maybe a game. Maybe, maybe, maybe a game. I think that game they had a 27 point lead. I think if Jaab stays in, they probably win that one. Maybe they get a game. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

All things meet equally equal they get two. But, I mean, you look at them, Holmgren had 11, Jalen Williams had 23, Hardenstein had 11 and 12, Shea was Shea. But what they kill you is that, you know, they're a great defensive team, cause they got Caruso, they got Isaiah Joe, they got Wallace, they got Lou Dort,

they got Chet that can protect the rim if somebody gets beat off the dribble. They got big, they got two bigs. And they don't have a problem playing two bigs. But then when they go small, they got guys that are scrapping, they can defend, everybody can defend at an extremely high level. But I agree with you. I agree with you. But the question is, man, you got to be able to have to share the control because if you don't he'd end up shooting 15 20

The free throws on you Go ahead go ahead go ahead You have to be I do agree with you. You have to be them. They're not gonna be they're not gonna beat theirself I think with the young group, they got fresh legs, they play lively, they play great at home. So they're going to end, they got a guy. I mean, Shay is a guy. He's a guy that can get you 35-4. That's what you want in the playoffs. They got all the ingredients to make a deep run. I'm just worried when you get into a series with better teams that's made double team Shay and made for some other guys to beat you, are those other guys ready to deliver at the level that you need to?

Think about some of these teams. I mean, think about the Lakers. You know, they got two guys that can get it done. You know, when we talk about, okay, see, we just don't, Williams is great, don't get me wrong, he's a great young player, he made the All-Star team this year. He's shown that he can be a 20, 25-point score.

Hell, he's had some 30-point performances. But if you got to get out with another guy that can go to, I don't think as you get along, you start playing the better teams, they're not gonna let Shea beat them. I just don't think that. I think they're gonna double team, they're gonna make these other guys have to beat them.

If I was playing against them, that's what I would do. But the OKC did the right thing. Everything gotta come through there. They have four games on their floor. And I think that's what they did a good job of. They play well there. And you guys know this and you guys who watch enough basketball, the road guys play better at home.

So now you got those young guys or young guys on the bench playing at home. They play a lot better. That's what their advantage is for OKC. Yeah, because they had five guys, even though he's going on the road, it was a close game. They have five guys in double figures. Hongren had 11.

Jalen Williams had 23. Hardenstein had 11. Shea had 38 and Isaiah Joe had 11. And Wiggins had nine. But that's what he did. You get them other numbers kind of low though, Chad. You see you get needs from others. You see them other numbers kind of low though Chad. You see you got me and somebody else.

You see them other numbers looking low now. Somebody else you get playing by the team. You play Memphis. Play one of them big dogs. It's going to be a little different. But you know what I like? What I like, not to cut you off Ocho, what I like is that Wiggins, excuse me, that Williams and Shea take most of the shots.

Because you look at it, they took a combined 45 shots and you had hungry with the next most shot at nine You had a guy took seven one guy took four one one five seven seven eight So your big dog eating, huh? Yeah, you got because you know, sometimes you get to the playoffs guys trying to make a name for themselves And that's all of a sudden you supposed to be shooting seven eight times all of a sudden you shoot 14 15. I know whoa whoa what you're doing Hey Andrew Wiggins is down is in Miami with you

My you just said that's it. That's another and yes, they got yes. They got another Wickers on their team. They got a young Wickers on their team. Take the score. The Wickers had back, it's through the ball. Yo, yeah, I like Wallace. I like Isaiah Joe, but they all can defend. Look at Caruso, can defend. Lou Dort, can defend.

Isaiah Joe, can defend. Carson Wallace, can defend. Hey, Chad Hongren, defend. Lou Dork can defend. Isaiah Ngo can defend. Carson Wallace can defend. Hey, Chad Hongren defend. So, even Shay was like top three in steel. So, no matter who you have on the court, you still have at least three guys that can defend on the ball at all times. And then if Shay is in there, you got somebody that can protect the paint, protect the rim. Hardstein, I mean, he can't protect the, but he's a big body. He'll block a shot here or there. I like the way they make up, but like you said, we'll see next round. Jod didn't want to be seen on camera on the bench. He saw the broadcast camera on him and put his hand over his face. Juan, you good with this?

No, man, I feel bad for my guy. Shania, I remember you had me on when you was back on with Fox and we was talking about him. And we had the long discussion with him, man. I just wish he'd do- I mean, he's such a terrific talent, man. I just wish he'd lock in on playing basketball. You know what I'm saying? And take what come with it. That's the good coverage you want. You want your fans to see you care about your team and that you upset That you're not playing that's what you want the camera on So yes, I just hope he gets it together. I got a lot of respect for him I want him to be you know

I think he could be one of the greatest players to play in the game at the point guard position when he's right healthy And he gives you that stretch of 20 25 games where he's just playing basketball And not shooting the gun and not doing all those crazy things. He's one of the best players in the league. But you know, we just don't know if he ever going to figure it out. So, um, I get disappointed in him a little bit on that because it's just, I hope this talent doesn't go to waste. Cause you know, Adam Silver at the wild is going to be, you know, you're going to have to go see the big dog again and he ain't going to like what he going to do to you.

Do you think he needs to be out of Memphis in order for him to really blossom and fully develop? Yep, right on down here in Miami. Yep, most definitely. I'll take care of him. Chad, he can't come to Miami. Pat Rowley. I got him, I got him. No, Pat Rowley, Eric Spurstam ain't playing that, man. That's what I mean. Sometimes that's what you need. Sometimes you need to go somewhere like this We have two old-school type coaches that opposed the game of basketball different. They got structure They got discipline you right here right now and you try to go all the way over here You see all that space in between it's gonna be tough in the middle. It's gonna be tough man. That's gonna be tough Yeah, do I do I think he needs another another place? change the scenery I Don't think he needs another place? Change the scenery?

I don't think he needs to change the scenery. I think they have to really strategically make sure that they keep the right guys around him. And you know how sometimes you bring a veteran on the team that maybe not going to get a lot of minutes that can help you control that locker room. You know how it is to help control some of the out the court activities. I think that's what they need to do. You know, sometimes it's good to pick up a guy like that. Maybe a guy that's not gonna do much, you know what I mean? Think about that Boston Selfies team.

They put Al Horford, a nice veteran on the team with them, who's been on that team for the last three, four years. Been great for them. A good locker room guy. You know what I mean? That's what you need. You need some locker room guys sometime. I think that, I like them in Memphis because they've been successful.

They had someone that's not like a bad team. They got some pieces there. He doesn't have to be moved, but he's gonna have to clean up some things. Um, and then... And I think he can use another superstar. I would like to see. I don't know if they'll be able to a free agency. What, Triple J was supposed to be a super superstar? I don't know. I'm just telling you, they paid him like one. Yeah, I don't know.

He kind of took a couple of steps back this year. Especially this series. Yeah. They was banged up this year a lot off and on, so I'm not going to put too much on this season. And the coaching change and all that stuff they went through, you know You know that that fine and the coach was kind of weird to me I know y'all covered that a long time ago, but yeah, I think that played a part too

You know a couple of years ago the job around said I'm fine in the West By I might have you worried about Boston, but I'm fine in the West Zero playoff series wins one one head coach fine, and two suspensions. Is he fine in the West, Juan? No, he's not fine in the West. Yeah. I mean, for us that love sports and we love to see guys make it and do great, I would love to see him on the Miami Heat.

Where's structure, where's discipline, where basketball has to come first. I would love to see him in that type of situation, structure, where discipline, where basketball has to come first. I would love to see him in that type of situation, where they can get some of that junk out of him. But we don't know. I mean, Memphis has to make a major decision on whether or not they want to continue to build around him and kind of go through his antics, or you make a move for him

where he still has a little value, because I think he still has some value right now. Yeah, for sure. So I think you can get something for him, and maybe it might be a mutual agreement. Hey, I tried it here. I need a new surrounding. I want to try something different. Maybe you can make a move in that sense.

Because they're two totally different teams with or without. So they're going to have to figure it out. Two totally different teams. I like it. I like it. I like it. Hey Mickey Harrison, I know you're gonna see this. Pat, I know you're gonna see this. Spoelstra, Harlecha Boy, my number is still the same. We can go get y'all sometime. Sometime in the summer. I put the pieces in place. I make sure he's good away from the court. You know, I got the right kind of people. You know, we don't play no game.

We don't do none of that. Okay. Ain't gonna be no driving, ain't gonna be no shooting, ain't gonna be throwing on no grave, no grenades. Uh-uh, we don't do that. You gonna get him an Uber? You gonna get him an Uber? Or get him a driver?

No, no, no, I got a driver for him. I got a driver, we'll get him everywhere he needs to go. We won't, we'll, Tuan, I've been in Miami all my life. I don't even club. I ain't been to club live yet. I just went to booby trap for the first time two weeks ago. Boy, I'm 57 years old. So I know if I can get y'all out here to Miami, I can, I can keep them aligned. We got the same goal. I want to see you succeed. Yeah. You need to hang out with you. You can't hang out with me. I thought I was Mr.

South Beach. So you right. Hang out with you. That's better. I thought I was Mr. South Beach, so you right hang out with you. That's better, I thought I was Mr. South Beach. Cavs. Cavs beat the Heat. We don't need to talk about this. Next segment, next segment. No team has ever recovered from a 3-0 deficit in the NBA playoff. The Heat has shown no indication that they'll be the first. Cavs up 3-0, points in the paint today.

The Cavs had 60, the Heat had 30. What's going on, what's going on, what's going on, what's going on, Twon? The Heat just don't have enough, unfortunately. Eric Spurts was a great coach. He fought this hard to get into the playoff situation. They beat a team like the Bulls, who was kind of probably equal to them,

and beat them to get into this playoff game, this playoff series. They just don't have enough. I mean, I love Bam. I think he's a great piece of the puzzle. I think they got him as being a major centerpiece. I don't think he's that guy. I think he's more of a A-B, he's more of a C guy to me.

Because he doesn't dominate the game enough for me. You know, 18 and 10, that's cool. You know, a guy like Bam and the money he's making, he's supposed to be getting 25 and 13. You know, he don't give that to you every night. You know, getting 16 and 10, that's not gonna get it done to be a A-list or B-list player in this league.

Tyler Hero is terrific. Obviously, six-man in a year, a great score, but he's a six-man. He can't start for you and give you some buses, but he's a six-man. That's start four years and give you some buzzers, but he's a sixth man. That's where he's been his best at in that role. I just don't think they have enough. They're gonna have to try to figure it out.

I know they traded for Andrew Wiggins. He could be a good piece to the puzzle. They're gonna have to get lucky in the draft, man. Obviously I won my championship with the Heat. I always root for them. I love Eric Spokesom and those guys down there. They're gonna have to figure it out to try to get a big superstar to put with this young corp. Or they're gonna always be in the mix I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love

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Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Eric Spurs, I love Sometimes you need to lose so you can get a higher pick. They kind of stuck. They put theirself in that 12, picking that 10, 12. They played just well enough to stay out of the damn lottery. They played just well enough to stay out of the lottery. And that puts them in the bad position. We see them compete. We see them win big games from time to time. But when you get in the playoff series and you need it,

they don't have it. That's me right now. They don't have the depth. I don't think they have a superstar right now. Like I said, I think Bam is a good player. I think he's a good piece of the puzzle. I think Tyler Hero is great in his role when he can be the sixth man. I think he can always be an instant score in his league.

I just think they don't have enough to compete at the level that they would like to, that we know how Mickey Harrison, Pat Rowley, Eric Spurl, some of them guys want to. I mean, Jimmy Butler was the exception to the rule. He got this group of most of these guys played with him, got them to the finals. But they need another piece. That's actually the evidence that I need to show you if you can get another piece with that type of coaching, you can make some moves. But right now, they're stuck in sand right now.

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According to Todd McShay, Shador completely bombed his interview with the Giants. He didn't have a great interview with head coach Brian Dayball. The preparation wasn't there. For an install package, Dayball called him out and Sanders didn't like it. Dayball has gone 8 and 26 over the past two seasons, so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared to be honest with you. I mean, you go 8 and 26 being unprepared. You are no unprepared person when you see one, considering over the last two years,

that's kind of exactly what you've been. And then there's been reports of him having a big entourage because his brother shoots videos of him being in family He's with his brother and his family. No drinking no drugs. No controversy. Just living his life Ocho this is I'm gonna start with you first. Yeah Here that he didn't do well in the interview. He didn't hit it off with Coach Dayball and seemed like he was unprepared. Didn't like the entourage. Okay, go ahead. I don't believe it. I don't believe it because every single NFL player, every single, when I say every single, I mean every single has an entourage. Most of the entourages is family and friends

If there's not family and friends is friends that you grew up with right everybody has that So I'm not sure why I even came into play and we talk about everybody regardless of race regardless of ethnicity It doesn't matter. So that's one thing Interview interview goes bad. I'm prepared now I think I'm thinking about a son of one of the greatest players of all time who's always been prepared and coached and having tutelage from one of the best of all time and for some reason all of a sudden he wasn't prepared for an interview when it comes to the game of football in which he's a quarterback.

Again, that's something else that's not believable. Now you know media can screw things and report things that obviously aren't true Bingo forget that So he dropped to the Cleveland Browns Round five what picked 144. What was it 145 144? I'm not even tripping at this point I'm not even tripping at this point because Prime obviously is prepared, should do it for any and everything.

Dealing with media, dealing with those that doubt you. So I'm just happy he has this opportunity. Because what's happening in this scenario, in this situation, in which I still believe is collusion, I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race at all. I'm just saying a collective collusion against Brother Sanders and all the things and then just the hype and listen, the machine again. I said it last night. I said it last night.

We have choices. People choose what they want to see. I said it yesterday. I'm not talking about race at all. One thing for sure, the machine is undefeated and will always remain undefeated. Anytime it feels not really threatened, but there's another name or family that think they can come in and do things their way, they'll humble you. And this was the example of it,

an example of it that we've never ever, ever seen before that is magnitude on. We've never seen anything like this. I'm happy for Chidora, I'm happy for Shiloh and for Chidora Sanders getting the opportunity to play for the Cleveland Browns. His situation is simple as put. It's delayed but it's not denied. It's not about where you go, it's what you do once you get there. So now you know what you need to do. The Browns haven't had a quarterback. They haven't had a quarterback, a sufficient quarterback, a consistent quarterback for a very long time.

Yeah. We have since Bernie for a very long time. This might be their calling. This might be their blessing. This might be his blessing even going there. So I'm happy for him. He's going to do what's necessary. I'm sure he had the chip on his shoulder. And I'm excited because in that AFC North,

you know, it runs through Cincinnati. And the only way you're gonna get it done is if you got a quarterback. I just had to add a little piece of that. I saw that. I saw you throw that in there. What'd you think of J'Wan? Honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you,

I mean, I feel for him. Obviously, you know, you work so hard and it's tough when you project to go first round. I had a situation once. It's not, obviously not the same because basketball is totally different as far as the number of people that get picked. But I was with my best friend, Nazeem Mohammed, was supposed to be picked lottery when he came out. And now I slid to 29 and just sitting there

That obviously was nothing like so good where you have to actually wait a whole nother day to get drafted But just a slide, huh? You waited two days. He got drafted It's different but I think like this to be honest with you I said I think you have to play the game Shannon to be Honest with you. I think if he would have I, I'm just going to play the game until I get drafted. Whatever that would have been. And I think sometimes that's what not, and I'm not sure this, you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, because it seems like, I've never seen an agent.

And obviously I'm watching from afar, I'm watching on TV or social media. Do we have an agent? I don't know. I bet Shiloh made a joke talking about our dad was our agent and we might need to hire a new agent. Do we have an agent? I don't know. I bet Shiloh made a joke talking about our dad was our agent and we might need to hire a new agent. Okay, right, I don't know. Because I think you know how this is. Sometimes you have an agent, he can tell you the truth

behind closed doors on what they're actually saying and what you need to work on. So, by then, by the end of the day, he's probably not really hearing everything. They probably can't tell him. So he's not hearing everything that they're saying. So I think that was probably one mistake and I don't know if he had an agent or not. So if the agent, to kind of buffer that, to talk to him and kind of figure it out.

But you got to figure this thing out, man. I think one thing about it, it was about interview. I don't think a skill set. I mean, he put the numbers up, the numbers speak for themselves. He had the numbers. So we got to look at some of the other stuff. I mean, I worked out for nine teams when I came out. I interviewed with nine teams. So you got to go through that process. I'm not sure how he interviewed. Maybe that was a little sketchy.

That can rub some GMs and execs the wrong way. You know, sometimes, you don't interview well. Mm hmm. Maybe the swagger, what he's coming with. Great family, family dynamics, his family's gonna support him. Obviously he has a certain swag, a certain aura that he carries with him, which we all love and we just talked about.

We like that, we talk, all three of us talk trash. We all celebrate it, we all have fun. So we know that, so that's not the problem. We talk, we all, all three of us talk trash. We all celebrate it. We all have fun. So we know that, so that's not the problem. We brought our own style. So that wasn't the problem with them. I just felt like they didn't play the game that everybody else played. And they wanted to show them that, look,

it's still the NFL. We still run this. You still gotta go through this proper pecking order. And I think that's what it was. That's what it looks like. You can't look at his... If you look at his numbers, the skill level, the guys that got picked before him, all this stuff, it doesn't make sense. So it's gotta be something behind the scenes.

It can't be football ability. It has to be something behind the scenes. That's why I said that he had an agent, maybe somebody that can hear the noise, because he probably didn't hear the real noise. You know what I mean? We all TV watching, all the analysts and everybody, but y'all preview so much information. Y'all only preview so much, we not hearing that real noise.

You know what I mean? So that's why your agent gets there for you to kind of help you out and maybe help you get your act together. That's why I really wanted to know if he had an agent. But you know the funny thing about it, Ton, even at that point, you are who you are. Shador is who he is. The Sanders family, they are who they are. That's it. And they've always been unapologetically themselves. And that rubs a lot of people

wrong. A lot of people don't like that. Including some of those in the NFL. Some of the things that Deon has said in the past. They probably didn't like They probably didn't like it. You know, he wanted to pull an Manning he wanted to pull you know, but he like that probably they probably didn't like it They quote tweets that he said long time ago and I know let me tell you why I know this is all collusion You know, I think about some like like going, you know what? I'm not gonna bring it up I'm not gonna bring it up. I'm happy He got where he needed to go

This is exactly what we're supposed to land because I guarantee you watch it be a blessing in disguise And then never having a quarterback and all of a sudden for some reason should do or be in the answer for the next decade Hope you're right. I'm a basketball guy. I want to ask you some chat. You can ask this because you talked about now. Can you ask this if the Cleveland the right fit for him? Because sometimes that's disregard what number he went. Did he go to a good situation where he can actually be able to showcase himself and have a real opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. Do you guys like that situation?

If the GM and the owners are competent when his time comes to be able to compete for a starting job If they continue to build around him Yes, it's the right place. If they continue to do around him, yes, it's the right place. If they continue to do right by the quarterback position, like other teams are doing, like they do for the Mahomes and they do for the Jadon Hurts and they do for the other quarterbacks, the Jadon Daniels, as you continue to put the pieces to the puzzle around him, why you have a quarterback on a very, very cheap, I hate using that word cheap but you know a very affordable contract we can build right yeah I think he's in the right place but if they do what they've always done for a very long time

which where they've been through 276,000 quarterbacks then it would be the same the same process we repeat itself they had Baker Mayfield you have the number one pick there was nothing wrong Bakeratefield because look what he's doing in Tampa Bay. So that tells you where the problem lies. That the problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now you got opportunity again. Let's not eff it up. Yeah I do. I love when the young quarterbacks come in and have an unbelievable support system. Hopefully you have somebody that's really smart schematically, knows how to diagram plays,

Ocho knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation. You have a decent running back. I'm not saying you need Saquon. I mean, although that would be nice to have a Saquon Barkley and a Derrick Henry on a rookie quarterback. But you need quality receivers. You see CJ Stroud where he went and had success, look at the receiving court that he had. You look at and had success. Look at the receiving court that he had.

You look at Jane Daniels. Look at the receiving court that he had. The question is are there enough pieces around any quarterback for regardless if it's a rookie or not, is there enough pieces around him so he can adequately do what he needs to get done? I think Stefanowski is an unbelievable coach. He's a coach of the year. He knows how to call plays. He knows how to scheme scheme plays and so now it just comes down to okay when you get your opportunity You got to shine you got to prepare like there's no tomorrow because that's already out there Oh Joe, you see what they said. He was unprepared. You see what they did. Oh Joe See we already put that out there on you now. Hey, that's the game. They gonna play the game

They're going to play the game. There's only one way you could be the game, huh? That's in between the lines Yeah, no matter what to say it blocks out all the noise. You can only be the game in between the lines That's it. No matter what they say, but I but I will say this little I don't know if they're gonna allow Bucky to go in and film everything that should do is doing Colorado and your dad's the head coach they're gonna allow that. Mm-hmm. That's over with now doers do it. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's done. Yeah, and so that's having an entourage. Yeah.

And like I said, I don't know if he went to the building and they tried to go in the meeting rooms and Bucky was trying to capture content. He doesn't have an agent because time agent was Eugene Parker. Rest is sold. Eugene passed away several years ago. And so I'm sure time it will probably interview somebody now and I agree I agree with you are Tuan probably and that's the thing Because you have an agent and they hear things and they can tell you things that they're gonna all the really really bad stuff They ain't gonna share that with you because they don't want to mess with you mentally Yes, yeah, but they'll share enough of stuff with you So you get the picture and get a great understanding of what's actually going on. So

If I'm not mistaken I so you know, obviously my agent was a obviously when I first got illegal and Jerome Stanley Phenomenal dude did really well for me. You know, in the back end of my career, in the middle, on the back end, it was Drew Rosenhaus. And if I'm not mistaken, I saw Drew Rosenhaus post for Shiloh Sanders once he got drafted. So I'm assuming Drew Rosenhaus must be representing Shiloh. I'm not sure if he represents Shidore though. Right. I get it.

Because okay, the current quarterback room, Deshaun Watson Watson Joe Flacco Kenny Pickett Dylan Gabriel should do a Sanders Deshaun Watson starter Flacco is a vet if the Sean can't go you got Kenny Pickett the backup Dylan Gabriel rookie should do a rookie feel What's going on? I mean damn What's really going on what's really going on? Oh Joe? Hey, yeah, I like to compete I Ain't got no problem with it. I like to compete I ain't got no problem with it I like to compete who I need to beat out I love Kenny Pickett I love Dylan Gabriel. I don't know how you beat Deshawn out when he got another 48 got 38 million dollars this year and another 40 million next year how you beat him out?

Hey Deshawn not playing this shit on? Okay he's not gonna play this shit okay Okay, so now you got Flacco and Kenny Pickett. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Achilles. Achilles. Achilles. Yeah, so listen, I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna play out. I love Kenny Pickett. I love that, you know, brother Gabriel. But, Shador, if he does what he's supposed to do, you know, we've seen Kenny Pickett already. We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet, but I'm just saying I know probably Flacco gonna start. He gonna start. At some point, Shadriff gonna get a shot. At some point, he gonna get that shot.

And when the door opens, he better close that monkey. Let me ask both of you guys. You gotta close the behind you. Why would Cleveland do that? Why would Cleveland want a quarterback when we're five guys? Does that mean anything? They're going to keep three. They're going to keep three.

Oh, okay. Because Deshawn is not playing this year. I keep forgetting he's not playing. He's not playing until like January or February or something like that. You're right. I forgot. Well, he ain't playing. You might as well just go ahead and you know, put him on our and go ahead let that go What I don't get, Cleveland, at some point in time y'all gotta stop trading back y'all could have had Julio Jones you traded back you could have had you could have had Travis Hunter and

Chadoor and you traded back. At some point in time when guys are sitting there waiting for you to take them, take them! Right. Yeah. Take them! It's okay. But I guess they're looking at it like, we're more than one player away, but sometimes that player can help change things around. I don't get it.

I don't get what they're doing with this situation. Like you said, Twon, he had an unbelievable college career. Um, he played well at Jackson state and then they said, well, yes, Jackson state, that's why you're doing that. He goes to Colorado, he puts up some exceptional numbers, uh, you know, great completion percentage, he throws guys open. No, he's not the most athletic guy, but it is, he's not a decathlete. He don't need to high jump, long jump, pole vault, shot putt,

hurdle, 100, 400, 1500. He don't need to do all that. All he needs to do, can he take three, can he drop back five, can he zone read, can he do the stuff, can he process information in a hurry? That's what a quarterback needs. He needs to be confident, he needs to be able to process information in a hurry,

and he needs to be able to retain information. a hurry and he needs to be able to retain information I Mean he showed you that he's shown you he can do that ever since he's I mean from from middle school to high school to college So let's see if that is that's transferable I like I like to think that it is but you don't know Do I know this same thing with all sports you don't know what you have in the guy until you get him in your building And put him in your uniform. That's what you 100% know for certain what the hell I got Yeah, cuz all this other stuff where he won this award and he did all this and he did all of that and I've seen it Having played in the NFL guys come in and have all these credentials and I don't know how to hey somebody gave you a fake passport

Cuz I don't know how you get all I don't know how you get all that Let me ask you guys a football. Is it about the number or some more about the fit? Fit it's always gonna be fit. It's always gonna be So is that always do you guys think this look so if you had the gray this fit? What would you guys go right now? I know you gotta go compete. But if you had the grade that's fit. I like New Orleans a little better, me personally.

I would've liked New Orleans a little better. I would like New Orleans better too. But the thing is now, because Twan I was telling Ocho last night is that I went to a team, I was a big wide receiver. I went to one of the three teams that had the H-back position. Washington had the H-back position,

the Broncos had the H-back position, and the Chargers, San Diego, they were in San Diego then, had the H-back position. Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the biggest receiver. Coach Reeves come in, hey, would you be willing to move the H-back? I'm gonna catch the ball?

Yeah, if you throw me, if you learn the plays, okay. So now, here I am a big wide receiver. Imagine I don't go to a team that has the H-back position. So I switch midway through like a third of the way, I have that probably like week eight, week nine, week 10. They move me to like tight end. Ta-da, and the rest of that, they say history. So it's absolutely where you go.

Not, I get it. Cause a lot of times, Tuan, you know this. First four or five picks, they get a boatload of money. Now you want to make a boatload of money for a short period of time, for an extended period of time. Cause I had a 14 year career. There are a lot of guys that went in the first round,

Ocho. They made money for a three, four year period. I made money have a 14 year career there are a lot of guys that went in the first round Ocho they made money for a three four year period yeah I made money for a 14 year period it's not how much money you make is how long you make money and then what are you gonna do it's not how much money you make is how much you keep so it's absolutely twine where you go yeah that fit and what they do for you. Why you there? My Space to so he's okay Had he known what he known he'd stayed in college and made some more in I'll money He like hell if y'all go take me to feel around

He made more in I'm ailing what is rookie contract gonna be your choke. Yeah. Yeah Oh, wow, that is right. Wow, but listen, I think the situation in general is good for him. It puts a chip on the shoulder. Oh, this is how you feel about me? Okay bet. Hold my beer. I got this. Watch me.

I've faced adversity before. I've had the hurdle obstacles before. This isn't just another one that's in the way. I'm going to show you, I'm going to prove to you that I'm worthy of doing all the things you said I can. Oh, you feel I'm a fifth round pit? I mean, I'm a fifth rounder? Okay, bet.

I'm not trippin'. I'm not trippin' at all. Again, Shadour's, hey, chat, I know y'all can hear me. Shadour's situation is simple as this. It was delayed. It wasn't even denied. That's all. Yeah.

Delayed but not denied. Now when you get there, hey, do what you're supposed to do and everything else will take care of itself. Well, nobody care where you got drafted at and he had the way, they were so disappointed and they prank calling him and doing all this other stuff. When you go do what you need to do, everything is fine.

Everything will work itself out. Speaking of Trav, the Jaguars are 100% committed to Travis Hunter letting him play wide receiver and corner. They told him, you got a bold vision and we got a bold vision for you. Yeah. Ocho? Yeah.

What you thinking? I like what you mean what I'm thinking. I'm thinking Duvall, man. I like it. I like it They listen he said he said it not only during the interview process Allowing him to do what he has dreamed of and been working on the entirety of his career so far I mean far as collegiate collegiate wise he said he has a belief and believes he believes that's the one thing that you need and Anything that you do regardless of whether it's the corporate world or whether it's sports I if I believe I can do it I can achieve it you whether it's sports. If I believe I can do it, I can achieve it.

You and I, we have different beliefs on whether you can do it at this level, but we're gonna find out now. We're gonna find out if you can play both sides of the ball. I like the fact that the owners, the GMs, and everyone else inside that locker room are going to allow him to do exactly what he did in college. To what extent? I'm not sure. To what extent I'm not sure. I think they gave a brief press conference on ways they can figure out on how to do it. I'm just excited for him, man.

I'm happy for Trav. I'm happy for the Jaguars. I'm happy for the fans in that city, especially the city itself, man. They got a good one. Then he gonna put some butts in the seats and he gonna make it exciting for the next decade. I got a question for you guys, just as football guys.

Just honestly, if you guys know how talented he is and how good he is, which one he's best at? Which one do you think he can be great at? I know it's hard to pick one side, but I'm pretty sure he's better than one side than the other. I like him at DB. I do too. Yeah, I like him at DB.

I think he has incredible instincts. I think his instincts are crazy. The way he can see and his recognition to see this and diagnose it, and that's what the really great corners can do Tuan is that they can see a formation They'll see a split and they'll know automatically what's coming. So I look at I look at this split I look at these two receivers over here. I might take a glance over there. Okay Run it if you want to try to run me off deep and try to run this sail around behind you and watch what I do to it.

Yeah, I think he has unbelievable instincts, unbelievable recognition and you build a package around him. Ocho, remember we talked about Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah, he's there. He's not better than Brian Thomas Jr. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, already know what LSU produced. He wanted them wands. Well he probably could be third down in some of the packages, right? See, people, when Ocho and I, we try to explain to people, yeah, build a package, you know, you have a third down package or you have a specialty package, a group of plays that you feel comfortable with him, maybe it's in the red zone, maybe it's in certain areas of the field, certain situations. But people are like, nah, just let him play as much as he wanna play. No, no, no.

You can't run him into the ground. You want him to play and make sure he's efficient on both sides of the ball. You want him to be efficient on both sides of the ball. Can he handle that physicality? Is his body makeup ready for that physicality? There's the mental approach. Because you got to study. I mean you like I said, okay We're saying one thing Ocho about rock recognition at the DB, but you have to understand also

You have to understand coverages from a wide receiver perspective, right? Yeah, you have to understand. So let's just say for the sake of argument you play in Miami Okay, you guard Tyreek for 10, 12 plays. And now you gotta go up against Jalen Ramsey. Okay? You know what I'm saying? You guard Zane Flowers and you guard Bashar Bateman. And then you gotta go up against Marlon Humphrey and Wiggins.

So, you know, you got to be because you look, there are very few teams in college that had an elite corner and a little elite DB. You gonna get it every week now. You get it every week. Every week. Even if the guys aren't certain, they really good. So now you got a Nico and now you got Darryl Stingley

and you got Stingley. Ooh, that's a nasty combo. I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Ain't no nights off. Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, no. Ain't no Sundays off. I'm sorry. Sunday.

Sunday and Monday. Oncho. Lawrence Taylor has officially said no to Abdul Carter wearing 56 per New York Post. You said no? I know he would love to wear that number 56 per New York Post. You said no. He would love to wear that number. But hey, I think it's retired. Get another number. I don't care if it's double zero and make it famous.

This is what Abdul Carter wrote. The worst thing he could have said was no, my stance doesn't change. LT Goat, nothing but respect. This is just going to make me work even harder. Love it. Ocho, I said it. I said, look, me personally, Ocho, I don work even harder. Love it. Oh Joe. I said it I said look Me personally old Joe. I don't even know why he would want that number Cuz I he I mean do you understand that's like a kid going to Chicago say hey

Are you going you going to LA and said okay, can I get a 24 can I get 33 could I get 34? Could I get 32? I get 34 could I get 32? What right? Chad, let me tell you this when I got drafted by the Celtics. This is true story. It's crazy that you brought up So they call you get drafted you go back there say hey, we gotta get this jersey printed What number you want? I say well, I won 24 of colors. They like well, that's definitely not available. I said wow I said, well, I won 24 of college. They like, well, that's definitely not available. I said, wow, because you got Cousy, you got Bird, you got Mikael, you got Parrish, you got Dennis Johnson.

All the numbers was gone. Bam Jones, Casey Jones, Hal McChick, Cowboys, Bill Sharma, Tom Heiser, Bill Russell. You know what they told me? How about we tell you what's the numbers available? Damn. They said, the Celtics told me we're going to tell you what numbers are available. That's how many numbers were retired. So I respect that, that LT didn't give his number up.

Those guys have earned that right. They've, you know, blew us sweat and tears in them numbers. They deserve to stay up there forever. So I respect that. I think Abdu-Khard, but people don't understand. LT is the only player ever to be defensive rookie of the year and defensive player of the year in the same season. He's one of two men in the 100 plus year history

of the NFL to win the MVP as a defensive player. He and Alan Page. Do you understand what that means? So that means that the guy that wins the defensive player of the year as a rookie, he's also going to be defensive player of the year of the entire league. And you know what the funny thing about it is, even if I was a player and I respect that dude Carter

for wanting to wear 56, even if I was a player, I wouldn't want to be in those shoes. No! Not in that market. In that market, in that media market, that means not only are you a high pick, then you have to meet expectations every week. There is no room for error. Yep. There is no room for error wearing 56 if he did grace you the opportunity to wear 56 because at every every turn in corner at every minute They're gonna have a magnifying glass on your ass as great as you are coming out If anything would I rather do pick your own number and make it famous

Imagine going to San Francisco you will receive a say they can I get 80? I don't want that pressure. No! I don't want that pressure. I understand though, the way you guys break it down, it makes a lot of sense why a kid would want certain people's numbers. You're right. It's just a handful of guys you don't want to put that number on. Yeah.

It's certain shoes I don't want to feel, bro. I tell you that. And if I was a hoopa, like Unk said, if I was a hoopa and I happen to go to Chicago, just hypothetically speaking. I ain't want no number there. I'm not asking to wear 23. I don't want nothing with a 2 in it. Hey, that's too close to 23.

I don't want 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26. I don't want nothing but a 20. I ain't messing with that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's nostalgia overload as Wilmer Valderrama and Freddy Rodriguez welcome another amigo to their podcast, Dos Amigos. Wilmer's friend and former That 70's Show castmate,

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Hold on. Are you talking about a chimpanzee or are they talking about a silverback? He said a gorilla. It's only one kind of gorilla. A silverback. I want to be 100. I'm not going to be in that first 15. Listen, it don't matter what number you are. I don't think people people are really under underestimating the strength of a silverback gorilla in general Nah Honey, hey you better get a thousand and you talk about just what they gonna do with him No, no, everybody, everybody dying to.

What they see, first of all, they're going to be dedicated. Tuan, what's going to happen? The first, the first, the first guy that that next patch, they see what he do to that first ten. They're like, no, I'm good. I'm good, I'm good. And so it's so funny when we look at these hypotheticals, especially when they come across Twitter and it's sometimes outlandish because you just view a gorilla and be like, oh, a hundred

of us could actually take that. And you really don't understand the type of power. One punch, you're going to kill a man. Kill? Where you out of there? One punch. Hey, watch them. Look at them when they fighting in the wild. Yeah.

And see how they hit each other. In the wild, hey, you, hey, T'Wan, you ever seen the clip, the gorillas, they going at it in the zoo and the lady screaming behind the wall? Yeah, she's like, come on, get it and break it up. Somebody do something, come break it up. Listen, you can see the power in them two out there tussling. You can feel the power

and it's just a video. A human being? Man, stop playing. I want a little smoke. Like I said, I want to be 99 or 100 because after he went from 98, I'm gone. He beat 100, but two of us, he ain't never touch. Hey, somebody got to live to tell a story. That's going to be me. Man, hey, he was slinging him out like, oh my goodness. Ocho, he bit somebody all wrong. He ripped the eye out like, oh my goodness.

He pulled somebody in the clean out the fucking. Ocho, you be boxing. Go ahead, Ocho. Go on boxing. Go ahead, Ocho. Go on and go on and knock. No, no, no. I'm going to be the one on the end, on the tail end. I'm going to be the one to tell a story so I can tell. I can speak to everybody federal.

Yeah. Tell them what happened. I don't want no part of that. Absolutely not. All right. Last segment of the night is time for Q&A. Oh, man. tonight was good, I enjoyed that. I felt like Doris Burke, bro.

I'm talking basketball like I'm playing. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh. Doris Burke good, though, I like Doris Burke. Oh yeah, D.B.B. on it now. She's nice with it. She's good. Gold standing up. When are you go finally admit Jordan is the goat never

Go James Okay, James Rockets sprockets, hot pockets, warriors in fire. Okay. Oh, Marcelle said, Oh, we never talk about the fact that from an organization point of view, Kawhi did what, what Joel should have done for his employer with not going to the Olympics. Kawhi didn't start the season. Now look at him. And Joel was the opposite. I agree.

Dwight, let me know what you think. We saw Joel limp out into, limp out of the season last year. He was probably what? What you think? Two years, what, 50%, 60% on that leg? Instead of taking time off, having a surgery or just rest and recovery, he goes into the Olympics, and he comes into the season hobbled. Well, if you limp into the season, you're gonna limp out of it, because it's hard to get healthy

when you're playing every other night. What do you think, how should a joe, and I understand the Americans wanted, because you had yoke, and they wanted somebody to be able to bang with yoke but as a player selfishly as an ownership how do you think Joel if you're Joel how do you handle it let's forget what they should have done if you're Joel Embiid how do you handle it? I would have said listen um Grant Hill I would tell Grant Hill look I would love

to play but I got to be healthy come the season. These guys, the ones paying me, I need to be 100%. Is there any way I still could be on the team, go on the trip, participate, maybe even practice a little bit, but I got to sit out? I'm not going to take a chance of getting hurt and furthering myself. And I don't know if they would have did that, but I would have took the recognition of making a team, but I would have took the recognition of making a team. But I would have not been able to play.

Kind of remember when Bird played and they just kind of just set Bird as back. You know what I mean? I'm on the team. Yeah, like it was more ceremony. Yeah, I'm on the team. I'm, you know what I mean? I still want to go with the guys.

I want to go to Paris. I want to go through the whole procedure. I just bring my own doctor on the road, my own workout guys. They work me out in the court while we practicing and put somebody in that spot. But at least let me still be a part of the, I wanna hang out with the guys.

I wanna spend the summer with the guys and still hang out with them. But I would've said my obligation is to my team to be healthy, to start the season. We got Paul George, we're trying to do something special. We got Maxie, we think we got a chance to compete with the Celtics in the Eastern Conference. That's what I would have did.

Cause I know it's an honor to be able to play on an Olympic team. I know guys want to be able to do that and put that on their resume. So you know that feels. So I would have figured, I would have just tried to figure out a way I still could be a part of it,

but not actually participating and playing. And I think they probably wouldn't let them do it. I don't know for sure if they would have. And I think they probably wouldn't let them do it. I don't know for sure if they would have did it, but they probably wouldn't let them come and still been a part of the team and still work out with the guys. But I wouldn't put that pressure on my knee. Truth and Antoine made me become C's fans.

He's asking, if they go back to back, do you think they keep the same team together and try to go for the three-peat? Depending. They got a new ownership group. This is people got to understand that. So this is new guys coming in. I don't know.

I don't know what their bottom line is going to be financially. We know they're paying a pretty penny for the team. They got three, two guys making 300 million and they got three guys. They got another guy got two guys making excess of a hundred million and Al Horford is making what 30 40 million dollars a season Yeah, they got some with Brazingas and they're white their pants seven guys To be honest, okay, they're paying seven guys. They're paying seven guys. They're picking seven guys Chad top money So mmm, I mean's going to be tough. I mean, we know it's hard in basketball with the salary cap and all that. It's going to be tough.

It's up to the new owners and what they feel. They want to see if they can give them a championship under their belt and pay their luxury tax and comfortable doing that, starting off in the negative. You know, if that's what they want to do, start off in the negative. But it all depends, you know, the jury's still out on ownership. This new ownership package group we got, we got to see how they feel. It's really on them. Because you got to think, the Celtics, and we, the Celtics don't have their own arena. That's the problem right now. The Celtics don't have their own arena. They're sharing that. And so I don't know what this group's going to do. don't have their own rent. They're sharing that. And so I don't know what this group's gonna do.

Hey that's funny when you think about it. Even though they have a new group, even though they're paying seven players top dollar and top money, if the reward of what you're paying brings you a sharemanship, why not keep doing it? Why not stick with it? Because you're losing money. You got Jason Tatum making 314, Jalen Brown making 306, you got True Holiday making 130, Derek White making 120, Prozinger's making probably about 35, you got Adam Horford making about 30, Peyton Pritchett making good money. So let's just say for the sake of argument, how much money am I making by winning that championship? You gotta bounce off.

Man, I thought that was the end goal. So what is the end goal as a GM? What is the end goal as ownership? I want to make money and win a championship. I want to win. That ain't how it works. This ain't 2K. Well, if I spend six billion for something, I ain't trying to lose money. And I know this. You walk out to the game, I think at some point that selfs are going to have to make a decision. It's going to be really impossible to fulfill two, three hundred million dollar contracts for its entirety. I think eventually they're going to have to make a decision on which one they're going to keep. They're going to have to get off one of them.

And I think they kept it to obviously, to be able to win one more. And then I think they're gonna think about it. Like I said, I think they're paying too many guys. They're gonna have to trade a bust a move or do something. And break it up just a little bit, just a little bit. And the new ownership group gonna probably do that. Think about this, Chad.

The Dallas Devons traded Luca they traded Luca That's crazy. They knew they had to pay on 350 Look was gonna make look who's gonna make 350 next year. They cost look 116 million dollars by trading. That's crazy That's more than that when you figure of California taxes Yeah, that new ownership group trading here They got all that money. That's crazy. Yeah.

Chris2kGreat said, Antoine asks great football questions. Make him a regular. Yeah, you can tell Twine likes the game of football. He's done unbelievable tonight. Appreciate that, Twine. Jamal the singer says, J'Aduar Sanders, Bernie Sanders, Colonel Sanders, Lions for the Super Bowl. I'm gonna give you credit. You got some great takes.

I need to make it to win tomorrow so I can have another one. How can people be surprised Jadur drop so far knowing there was no team that had a great pre-draft interview with him? Man, I'm, I'm, I ain't trying to hear that. Can you guys explain what y'all interview process go through, something or something? Man, that interview man, that interview don't mean nothing man. If you're a quarterback,

if they're quarterback, they'll give you a play. They'll call a play. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, man. That interview don't mean nothing. If you're a quarterback, if they're a quarterback, they'll give you a play. They'll call a play. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll want you to repeat said play. Yeah. Then they already told you to say, okay, this is our play right here. It's called such a stuff, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Okay, here it is. They let you see it on the screen. They let you see it on the screen. Boom. Now they have you regurgitate what that play is and go draw it up on the blackboard. Yeah. And then go through your process, go through your reads. If they do this defensively, where you going with the ball? But if they do this, where you going with the ball? I understand that part of the interview process. But listen, you have a to all you have people you go in the interview process and they they perfect

Perfect you get the ass on the field. Can you play worth a damn? Yeah, so that interview process to me man that you know what that don't mean nothing to me What you look like when you turn the film on? What you look like when you play against better competition? Which look like when you play against better competition? What you look like when you play against competition that's inferior? That's what matters. I don't want to get hit by no going to no goddamn board or me asking you questions and how you talk back to me. That's not winning me no fucking games.

What do you do when the goddamn whistle blows at one o'clock on Sunday? I hate to hear any fucking dumb ass excuses they giving, man. Just another question that somebody made, but his numbers don't just, like sometimes your numbers stand out when you're like, this guy really can play. So his numbers are irrelevant in this draft process? I guess they weren't.

I mean, sometimes people take the numbers, sometimes people take the combines, sometimes people take the interview. sometimes people take the combines, sometimes people take the interview. You'd like to have everything lines up. Guy plays well on the field, guy goes to the combine, shows up, you bring him into your building,

you're like, yep, love everything about him. Sometimes the guy have two or three, sometimes the guy have one or three. Then you have to make a decision, is this the right guy for us? OUSS asked 2004 honest question Why can't people criticize should door his stock plummeted once the football stock and the conversation started? Well, I mean you can criticize everybody ain't nothing wrong with it, you know, I'm fine everybody's worthy of criticism

Everybody ain't nothing wrong with it. No, I agree. That's fine. Everybody's worth your criticism I think I don't I don't mind the criticism. I think nah, I think it's about If the next guy got picked and he's better than me, then I can respect that I think when from my understanding and you guys could tell me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the guys that got picked ahead of him, I don't think you guys had them. From what I'm hearing from most people, they didn't grade out better than him. They didn't grade out better than him. Yeah.

But you see what he said, Ocho, he said, once football stopped, but he's a football player. And we're supposed to be having a conversation. We're supposed to be critiquing him on football. Football. Not the conversation surrounding football. Okay, what about, so what, did he not play well? Did he not, I mean, I get it, look, I mean, sometimes guys get nervous, sometimes guys don't test well, and that's okay.

Look, I don't need a guy to take the SAT. I need a guy to be able to play well on Sundays and Mondays. And I think that's all that matters. Hey, too, I think, Chad, we need to make this a topic. These execs have to understand too, it is NIL money now. It's real money guys are getting in school. So yeah, you're going to see a Maybach. You're going to see a Diamond Chain.

You're going to see a Rolex. You're going to see all these things before that big NFL paycheck, because they already got money. So you can't judge a guy because he went out and bought himself some nice things he's earned that money I think the execs gotta understand that too they have to realize too guys are gonna have already made it they already living in a nice house they already have nice things so you can't hold that against them that's part of the game now on the collegiate level that's part of the game now on the collegiate level. That's part of the game now you get NIL money

So you can't knock this guy because he's getting money and he like he got a nice chain He got a nice watch. Of course, that's the things that we want We different that's how we do it. Especially in a black culture. Y'all know, but that's the first thing I want First thing I want was a Rolex I want to get a Rolex I got that, I want to get a Rolex, I want to get a car, I wanted a Rolex. I wanted me a Rolex. I wanted me a car. I want the Benz. I want the Maybach. That's what I want. The first thing.

So I think they looking at that too because he had style. He had flash already. But that's the game now. NIM money. And his daddy played. How about his daddy played football for 20 years and made it to the money and played bus

What if he wanted to buy a bunch of stuff? So, you know, I ain't gonna just get outside the football ability That's why I was so curious to hear you guys comment about it as far as football because the same for what I watched this year He was one of the top quarterbacks of football. He won one hundred and forty four. He was. He should have been picked one hundred and forty four. I know that. Absolutely. Mark Jasmine said my new sports center, Nightcap. Serial, please, please play for my daughter, who's a sophomore

at Michigan State and taking finals this week. We will be at your Detroit show. Serial, thank you very much. And we are praying for your daughter. And I know she's going to knock it out of the park, taking those finals. Cupcake Mama, good evening, guys. If life had playoffs, what moment in your life

would be your championship win? Ooh! What moment in life would be my championship win? When I, oh. Go ahead, Chad, go ahead. I'ma tell you, my Super Bowl, my championship win is coming up in 2026 when I walk down that aisle. Yeah, it finally is that... I finally got something in life that gives me structure. You know, something that gives me purpose. You feel me? I got that line.

You get married in 2026? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, congratulations, 26 26. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Appreciate it. I'm a I'm a have open bar so all y'all could come to It's for it's for the guests Okay. Okay. Yeah, it's for the guests enough for the half. I'm gonna have Frankie Beverly and maze I'm a had gonna have them come play. But you will have Mays, because unfortunately Frankie Beverly is bad. I'm gonna have Mays, you know. Hey, it's gonna be, come on.

Yeah, it's gonna be a good time. Come on. Nah, it's a clone, it just crushed you. It just crushed you. He crushed me bad. I crushed him bad. Rest in peace, Frankie. Rest in peace. Oh, that's a good one.

No, for me, the two kids are mine. My two daughters. That's it for me. My two daughters. That's a girl for me. I think we know my championship moment. said oh Joe I need that Cory Dillon Jersey with your signature on it oh no boy hey that's a classic that's CD Jersey I got it hanging up there for a reason CD this is a lad Jersey he wore when he was in Cincinnati he took it off and threw his pads in the stands before he left that's the Jersey he had on I ain't letting that go nowhere. If ever.

Boy, please. Hey, ain't gonna tell him I fall on hard times. I'm gonna have to auction out, I'm gonna have to rename. Sotheby's, that's the last jersey, Corey Dillon wore. Hey, boy, that ain't going nowhere, boy. Absolutely not, no sir. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Guys, thank you for joining us

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in 96th at Kentucky. He won an NBA championship in 2006 with the Miami Heat. He has a 17 and a half point score throughout his NBA career. Have an unbelievable career and twine walk with one. Thank you for joining. Yeah, man. Come back in the game soon Hey, I'm tripping What I'm tripping ideas with everybody that came on here twine We were to play one on one right now to 11 you think you'll beat me? No, you work out too much for me. I play golf I never see you shooting nothing like this. I don't know if you skilled enough. I just know you work out a lot I know you bought too much. But you know what, y'all? I ain't never seen you shoot or nothing like that. So I don't know if you're skilled enough. I just know you work out a lot. I know you box and work out a lot. I'm one of those golf course, man. I'm drinking a little.

Okay, okay, okay. Hang on, hang on. Okay. Matter of fact, y'all, I need a couple bottles, huh? Now I do a little sipping myself. I do a little sipping now. I need a couple bottles. I need a couple. All right, I'll send it down there to you. Get your address to Ash and we'll get that to you. Okay, I need a couple of them. Yes, sir.

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Shadour Sanders, after a long, long wait, got drafted by the Cleveland Browns at pick 144. The Warriors beat the Rockets 104.93, thanks to Steph Curry, 36 points, seven rebounds, nine assists. The Nuggets, the Clippers, Aaron Gordon dunks the basketball as the

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