Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur Sanders responds to critics + Unc & Ocho talk NFL rookie contracts

Episode Date: May 11, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Cleveland Browns rookie Shedeur Sanders' comments on critics, discuss their rookie signing bonuses, and much more!01:47 - Shedeur Sanders on Critics14:25 - Shedeur on if he’ll buy #2 from teammate24:17 - Jets rookie on signing bonus41:35 - Bengals rookies sitting while unsigned53:50 - Q & Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mm-hmm. I just want to thank you for saying that. I mean, thank you for saying that, because I don't... Like, my job here isn't to prove people wrong. Like, I prove myself right. That's... And I fully have self-belief, you know, and with those people say that, there's just their opinion. So I don't truly care.

They don't really live in my mental space about that type of stuff. Really doesn't do anything for me. I like that. And that's what I tell people. Your job is not to prove somebody wrong. It's your job to prove yourself right. And if you prove yourself right

in the process of proving you right, you'll prove them wrong. Oh, yeah. And that's the thing that, you know, you have to learn. And it's been a process. Mm-hmm. Stop worrying about what people that don't know you think. Think.

I think a lot of them have. Stop worrying about that. Because, Ocho, you heard me say this. I want people to love. I just need the people that I love to love me. Mm-hmm. Come on, man. See, you trying to see, you trying to, and, you know, obviously, the elephant is not in the room, he outside, but everybody knows what I'm going through.

A lot of people have a lot to say. Come on, man. But, as my brother been calling me, I met a lot of people, and thank you all, everybody that's reached out, and the thoughts and prayers, I sincerely appreciate that. But, when you think about it old Joe man 50% 50% of the people don't care that you got problems right the other 50% glad you got them So now pastor come on pastor take your time I So now what? Come on, pastor.

Come on, pastor. Take your time. I agree with you, Doran. I'm not worried about, look, I'm where I am. This is where I am in Cleveland. 31 other teams that didn't select me, and I understand that there are some teams, you know, Cincinnati and Baltimore, and certain teams weren't in the realm for a quarterback. I'm not talking about those.

Thank you, Cleveland, for giving me an opportunity. Sometimes all you need is an opportunity. That's it. And now what you do with that opportunity will tell us who and what you are. But the thing is, Ocho, is that you have to learn, that I'm learning and it's still a learning process is that you got to drown out the noise, man. You can't be concerned with everybody because everybody's going to have an opinion. Everybody thinks they know you.

They really do. Everybody thinks they know you when they really don't. Right. They heard this or they heard that. Have you ever talked to Shannon? Have you been around Shannon? Have you been around Ocho? Have you been in Ocho's presence?

So what makes you, what makes you think you know Shannon? Have you been around with Shannon? Have you been around Ocho? Have you been in Ocho's presence? So what makes you, what makes you think you know him? How well do you know him? So Shador, just go do your thing. That's all, that's, that's all they can do now. Ocho is now it's about playing. At some point in time, the talking will stop. Yeah. The playing will start. Yeah. The cream will rise to the top and then we'll have something to talk about. But right now I don't really. Yeah. They keep, I think sometimes I think they keep, they want to make him frustrated.

They wanted to make him lash out. Yeah, I should have been this. Yeah, I should have been that. He's too well-schooled. He's not like that. He's too well-schooled. I call it, I call it he's seasoned. Even though he just getting here based on where he's coming from, he's seasoned.

He's already prepared, mentally prepared for this. He's gonna be fine. And the one thing I do like is I wanna prove me wrong. I wanna prove me wrong. We have too many people today, especially in today's society, we're in a social media era where everybody is worried about looking a certain way, dressing a certain way,

looking at the part, looking like I have it, because it's a word about what everybody else is gonna say. Every morning you get up and you look in that mirror, that's the person you in competition with. Yep. That's it. That's the person you in competition with. I just need to be there from yesterday, Ocho.

Every time. Honestly, I just need to be better today than that guy was yesterday. Yeah, yeah, every time. And every time you look in the mirror, right, and you have to understand I'm competing against me. And anytime you compare yourself to somebody else, comparison to the thief of joy. Yep. You're gonna be sad every time depending on who you compare yourself to.

Man, shit. You better put them goddamn horse-blinders on like at the Kentucky Derby. Put your head down and then go straight forward. That's it. At your own pace. Because you don't know, you don't know nothing about nobody else's story. No. You don't know nothing about nobody else's story. Focus on your food right there in front of you and stop trying to pick off what other

people play. You're going to be all right, man. Too many people, they lose like that. They lose like that. Worry about everybody else. And you drive yourself crazy trying to please everybody too. You do, you do. Because at the end of the day, are you happy?

Because there have been times, Ocho, in the process of trying to please somebody, I was trying to please everybody else, but the one person that was unhappy was me. So in the process, everybody else is happy. Everybody's ecstatic, they do what I'm giving them. They're doing this, they're doing that. And I'm miserable. I'm asking myself, is it enough?

What else do I need to do? Cause I'm trying to make sure everybody else is happy. And deep down inside, I'm dying. That's a... That's a- it's one thing to be alone, it's something else entirely different to be lonely. See, there are two different things, alone and lonely. See, you can be alone and be content with that. You can be with someone and be lonely. Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. Mm-hmm. You can be with someone and be lonely.

Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, what you say something just there, boy? He he he he he he he. I don't get it very much. It's uh, that's a very fine line, Ocho. That's a very a very fine line, Ocho. That's a very, very fine line. Boy, you just said something just there, boy. Hey, alone and lonely. You could be alone, but it don't mean you lonely.

Correct. Absolutely correct. Hey, that juicy, that juicy. Next time I get, when I get in my next argument, I get in my next argument with Shane, I'm gonna use that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna use that. It's, it's uh, but a lot of times, Ocho, and the thing is, is that like, when you've been alone Uh huh. For a long period of time. Right. You realize?

Mm-hmm. That you really don't have time for BS? Mm. But wait, you know, we talk about humans though, huh? Yes. You know, we all come with a little baggage now. Yes. Now when you're alone for a very long period of time, depending on how long that period may be, you go into it with understanding at

some point, even though you don't want to deal with no BS, it comes with something. Yeah, Ochio, I think the thing is that what I've learned in my life is that you're dating a person's past and all the trauma that's in that past. And people don't understand that. And the thing is that people don't put on their resume. Because if I have to fill out something, you think I'm gonna put my worst attributes on that resume? I'm gonna put my best foot forward.

And I'm gonna tell you all the reasons why I should have this job, not the reason why I shouldn't. So if a person wants to be in a relationship,'m going to tell you all the reasons why I should have this job, not the reason why I shouldn't. So if a person wants to be in a relationship, they're going to tell you all the things then show you all the things the reasons why you should select he or her in that relationship. I like that. I like that. It's not what you know that hurts you is what you find out that hurts you. I'm done you find out that hurts you.

I'm done, Ocho. I ain't finished, Ocho, I'm done. I'm done, Ocho, I'm done, I'm done. I'm done, I'm done. Hey, Pastor Sharp, don't do the congregation like that. Cause I know the chat, I know I'm not the only one taking notes, I know the chat, I know y'all taking notes. Don't lie to me now, but take your time now. I think that's the thing.

People like, what I don't know won't hurt me. Mm-hmm. But what you find out later could hurt you. Yeah. See, that's what I love. I love starting. I love starting. And for us, and for people that are known where it's a simple rule,

we talk about people filling out their resumes and always putting their best foot forward when they meet people. You know, for those that don't like to be honest. Like, listen, I come with baggage. I come with A, B, C, and D. But I'm going to check the boxes and what you need done for you and your life and me helping you. I'm also going to provide D, E, and F. So can we counter or can we balance and come to a happy medium where you understand what baggage I do have

and bitch can you unpack it? Right. That's it? Cause you're not going to meet anybody where everything is oh my god, the peace supreme. No, no, no, no, no, no. Right, that's not reality. But we love to make it seem like you're the greatest thing.

Women all the time. Oh, he fumbled me. You mean to tell me everybody you came across fumbled you? Mm. Must have been raining. That you just. Must have been raining. You must be real slippery.

He can't hold on to you. Hold on. You that much of a catch? Damn, no marriage? Every relationship, like, it's because we're all human at the end of the day. No matter what we may think about ourselves, you gotta you gotta feel highly about yourself. You have to. Oh, yeah, yeah, you're supposed to.

We just regular folk at the end of the day. No, you know, you put your stuff on, your aesthetics and your jewelry, your makeup. When you take all that shit off, that's the real you. You still just you. You're just human. I think at the end of the day, Ocho, is that what I wanted to say, I wanted to say, I forgot my train of thought, I was gonna say something. I don't know if it was profound or not, but I wanted to see it. I wanted to see it.

It'll come back to me. Come on, take your time. It was, what I wanted to say, it was on the tip of my tongue. And I don't let it slip my mind. I'm going to go upstairs tonight and I'll be thinking about it. That's what I wanted to tell Ocho. That's exactly what, oh, I know what. This young lady told me one time,

she said, Shannon, you got a lot of scar tissue. She said, but let me love you with all those scars. She said, Shannon, the thing is with you, you don't know how to receive love. I don't know if you've ever been loved, but I do know you don't know how to receive it. She said, I'll love you past all those scars if you just allow it. I wanted to put my head on her shoulder and cry with you. That's what I wanted to do. But, uh, you know, at that stage, pride wouldn't let me. Uh, it wouldn't let me. So I think that's the thing that we all want.

We want to be loved. We want to be appreciated. Boy, you got me by the tear up, boy. You don't see my eyes. Boy, you got, whoa, that was it. But say that one more time. Say the line about the scars. Say the line she told you about the scars.

She wanted to love me in spite of my scars. She said, I see the scar tissue. She said, I see the hurt in your heart. I hear the way you talk. I see the way you look. She said, I see it and I hear all of that. She said, but I could love you past all that. She said, I just need you to receive the love that I'm trying to give you mmm Well, I think yeah, but people don't understand

Is it I was your had a hilarious response after being asked if he was gonna buy number two off the Andre Carter Let's take a listen what should door had to say about number two Jersey. You try to buy Two from the others. No, I'm not trying to buy anything. My sign of bonus ain't that high right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't blame you, Shidor. You got to have some bread. Like I said, when I went to Baltimore Ocho, I didn't want no s- I didn't want an odd number. I didn't want 81 or 83, 85, something like that. I didn't want that. I wanted an even number. I went to Jermaine Lewis, who had number 84 at the time.

I offered him, I said, I'll buy you and your wife matching Rolex. You get a his, she get a hers. Like, he said, nah, I want to keep it. So I ain't never really liked that. I mean, the 88 number just didn't seem well with me. 82 sat well. 82 was cool. Frank Wainwright, Frank Wainwright had it.

And I was like, shh. I hear them obviously, freaky Frank, man. What you want for that number? He was with, if I'm not mistaken, I think he was with me a couple of, like in 99, he ended up getting released. He was with, shh. I hear him, I said, Freaky Frank, man, what you want for that number? He was with, if I'm not mistaken, I think he was with me a couple of, like in 99, he ended up getting released, he was with me in Denver, so I kinda knew him a little bit.

I said, Freaky, call me Freaky Frank. I said, Freaky Frank, man, what you want for 82? He like, Sharpie, I don't want anything, you can have it. I said, nah, nah, nah, Freaky Frank, that's your number. You gotta give me something. And I wanna give you something. I said, what you like to do, what's your hobbies? He said, man, Sharpie, I don't like to do anything but fish. Yeah. Man, I said, what you like to do? What's your hobbies? He said, man, Sharpie, I don't like to do anything but fish.

Yep. Man, I said, here. I said, how much does a bass boat cost? He said, uh... You say, Sharpie, you don't have to do that. You bought him a boat? You bought him a boat? I bought him a bass boat.

Damn! I bought him a bass boat. Ooh. Hey, if I was willing to give, you know, back then Rolex is probably his and hers probably been about 30,000. If I was willing to do that to get that get 84 a bad boat, they'll pay like 14 grand for it. Oh, that's it?

Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. So you got off much better. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, and plus Ozzy kinda had that number.

I said, but I said, Ozzy, it ain't the same. It ain't Cleveland. I said, if it was Cleveland, it'd be one thing. You ain't, this ain't Cleveland. So, but it was good. It worked out. And so I don't blame you, I ain't paying that money. I ain't paying nothing either.

A fifth round's a grab pick. Now, when I got 84, cause I was 81 my first two years, Ocho, and then Ricky Matil ended up going to, I think he went to Tampa or something. Man, when I found out he wasn't coming back, man, I called Dan so quick, I said, Dan, can I get 84? He's like, absolutely, Shark. I said, yeah.

Hey, I called the equipment guy, what was his name? Bill, Bill something. Hey, I called I called a quick big guy. Uh, uh What was his name? Beel beel something right? Uh, uh Ronnie be nah Ronnie bill was a uncle. But anyway, his nephew was the equipment guy the time I say bro, you might as well go ahead and take that sharp off 81 and put it on the back of 84 I already called Dan. Yeah Boy, you talk about happy? I feel, ah, damn, 84, this is me. Having a number you want to just do something to you.

It does, Ojo. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Deandre Carter. Yeah. What position young boy play? I don't know what position did Deandre Carter play? He probably offense, I'm thinking.

Receiver. What was he in college? He had to be a higher draft pick than Shadoor, wasn't he? So he's a rookie? He's a rookie comin' in? He's not a rookie. He already had it? Oh, he might have came in free agency, Ocho. And why me? Why wouldn't he give? Hold on.

Now, when you have a single digit number, right? Yeah. When you wear that single digit number, you understand what comes with that. Mm-hmm. Whether it be Pop Warner, middle school, high school. Wow. In the NFL, everybody with a single digit number is that boy. Deandre Carter, he's been number 16, number 14, number 19.

He's been one twice. He's been 82. He's been three. He's been 11. Now he's number two. Why you name so many numbers? Cause he's been on that many teams. All right.

No disrespect to him. I hope young bull has a phenomenal season and show the you know what out with that number two on. Handy of business. But hey, number two, hey, you got any, hey, anytime, anything from one to nine, you gotta be special. You cannot wear no single-digit number if you're not like that.

That's what I said. Why would, why would, okay, but, but. That's mandatory. Yeah, I mean, okay, but I hope number one. That's mandatory. Yeah, I mean, period. Some things are just mandatory. That is mandatory. It's an unwritten rule too at that. Yes.

HBCUs, any college, I mean, NFL, single digit numbers are for those who are- Are like that. Like that. And they put butts in the seats, but that's either here or no there. Yeah, for sure. I was single digit ever since,

because I took the number three from my brother. So I went three all the way through high school and I went two all the way through college. So yeah. I wish, I wish we could have single digit numbers because I definitely would have got number two. Well, Michael Rand had it. Oh, back then? Yes.

Oh yeah. I definitely would have got number two. Well, Michael Rand the pointer had it, but as soon as he left, I'd have got it. Because back then, Ocho, it wasn't like it is now. You got a number and if you change numbers you got to buy all the other deterrents and circulation and all that. I had to do that. Oh did you? Oh yeah absolutely. Now listen, I had no problem doing it because I understood what that name change had done.

Ocho, we know how the media likes to critique any misstep times suns to paint a false narrative. I bet they won't highlight how respectful they are. Watch the video of Shiloh shaking every media member's hand before the start of first availability. Let's take a listen, Ocho. My new media team here. There you go. That's all we got. You're sweet, man.

Hey, good to meet you. Logan, let's get you a shot. I'll be here, baby. Let's do it. Rock, pleasure, man. Brandon. Jennifer. Scott. Nice to meet you.

Love you, too. Lee, please meet you. Rob. There you go. Thanks, man. Oh, my God, with the camera right here. There you go. Nice, nice.

All right, I'll just stand right here? Yeah. Okay, so we're gonna go ahead and get you a shot. Oh my god, what's going on right here? Nice, nice. Alright, I'll just stand right here? Yeah. According to Geneleine, Shiloh was the only player who's done that this week. He said Bucks were the first team to call. He's forever grateful that they gave him a chance. Hey, listen, you might want to make friends with them now,

because they're going to be right there right there They're gonna be like gnats They do hey, they gonna be like nicks and they won't be fair You know, so it everything is all we ask. Yeah. Yeah, they gonna be fair. Everything is up to you You might as well be nice to him cuz they gonna be gonna be in your face for a very very long time I'll be so good that when I have a bad game is like a this is an aberration This is not how he normally plays. Yeah. I mean, I was very, very fortunate.

I think the thing is, Ocho, like when you come in as a low draft pick, you get a lot more grace. Because there's not the expectation of a first, second, third round pick on you. So he's an undrafted free agent. So he'll get more benefit of the doubt than someone that was a first, second, or third year, or first, second, or third round pick.

Or veteran player that's played for a number of years. Kind of like, I'll suffer our pick, Coachell. What are you gonna say? Oh, he's not very good? I'll suffer our pick. But when I got good, he was like, hey, I remember this guy with special teams. We saw how hard he worked, blah, blah, blah, X, Y, and Z.

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To hear the whole story listen to fiasco Iran contra on the iHeart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Jeff rookie Armand Membo didn't realize he would be rich after signing his rookie contract. Ocho take a listen to what he had to say. What was it like yesterday when you signed your first contract? It was pretty cool especially once I looked at all those zeros on the page. I didn't realize how much money I was getting, but now I was definitely a blessing for sure. Yeah, yeah, he look zeroes. Hey, boy look at him zero.

And the funny, the funny thing about it is he got drafted. He went through the whole process and didn't know how much we were getting paid until you looked at the goddamn check, which lets me know that young boy is strictly about the game of football. Mm-hmm. How you don't know. No, what, what, P? Cause he probably, Ocho, cause you know a lot of them guys, that, that, that, that contract guaranteed.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, depending on how you go Yeah, absolutely Oh his contract fully guarantee. Oh, he's number seven. Yeah No, what no what? Oh, yeah 32 million Oh I'm too they probably gave a good 15 signing bonus. Yeah, different. I know he feeling good.

Feel real good. Hey, it's funny how your life changed just like that, man, in a matter of 24 hours. Just like that. 24 hours. All the work you put in, all the ups, the downs, the obstacles, oh my goodness. I remember that feeling like it was yesterday. Well, that Well, I don't know that didn't happen to me

Pocket I made my rookie contract my base salary my rookie year was 63 thousand dollars Dang. Yeah 73 I made 73 the next year Yeah, oh you only had a $10,000 raise? $10,000. Oh, I got another $10,000 if I led special teams in tackle. I got $7,500 if I got second and I got $5,000. So I picked up five one-year, picked up that 10 the next. Right, right, right. That little 10 come ahead, you know So I picked up that five, one year, picked up that 10 the next. Right, right, right.

A little 10, a little 10 come ahead. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yeah. It's so funny. Back then, if you think about the times we're in now, look at the prices of everything now, the economy we're in now. Back then, $63,000. That was a lot of goddamn money, boy. I was a good banker. I was a good high-end banker. Yeah, that was a lot of good money, boy. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh, we. And then, you know, that was when I of good money. Yeah yeah. And then you know

that was when I had incentives that's why I was upset Ocho because remember I told you I had a hundred thousand dollars if I got a thousand yards receiving. Right. And I had $9.95 at the half and then catch another pass then get another pass thrown my way. Why ain't you tell the quarterback? I went to the pro I was the first team all-pro and made $3.25. I made the pro bowl my third year. I made 225. Go back, make the Pro Bowl again, let all the tight enders, the catches, touchdowns and yards. First team all Pro. Me and my brother were first team all Pros. 325. That's crazy. That hundred would have came in good, don't you? Yeah, it would have came in real, real nice. Yeah.

Well, it's funny, my how times have changed. Now times have changed. Ocho, what was the first thing you bought? You got your signing bonus, you probably got half a mil, 750. What was the first thing you bought? Oh my goodness. I remember signing that check

and leaving Mike Brown's office. I will never forget. And I'm not sure the signing board has had anything to do with the purchase or anything. But I went to McDonald's right in Cumberland, right over the bridge next to the Waffle House. And I celebrated signing my first deal. And the first thing I bought or purchased God Lee huh it might have been I got my first Chevy yeah probably wasn't nothing I got during the season I think it might have

been in the offseason I bought my first donk for those that are in the chat there from Miami yeah I bought my first donk and I never forget I'm sure Van Dyke could probably see this. Van Dyke you probably remember that day a friend of mine he owns a restaurant called iCRAVE right here in Miami very good soul food spot so if you ever come down here to Miami you got to check out iCRAVE. I bought my first Chevy from Van Dyke remember I bought him I forgot how much it was but I bought him a cash and a little envelope and that was my first car. That was always a dream car of mine. It was always something, I looked at some of the older dudes had in my area in Liberty City and I was like, you know what?

Grandma one day I want one of them and she said, boy you'll never have no guy that you won't be driving out all that noise and dripping oil in my driveway. And that was my first purchase. I was like, finally I made it. I can get one for myself. Well, I went to Dairy Queen, got a bacon double cheeseburger, large fry, vanilla milkshake, and Oreo blizzard. Wait, where? Dairy Queen?

Dairy Queen. You said a burger. A bacon double cheeseburger. Dairy Queen sell things outside of just ice cream? Yeah. The hell? I ain't know that. Yeah.

Fish sandwiches. Yeah. Well, actually they got steak fingers now. Well, there's no, there can't be no Dairy Queen in Miami. Cause I'd never heard of an ice cream place that's known for ice cream selling anything outside ice cream. Nah, I mean they do burgers. Y'all got 31 flavors where you at? You know where the 31 flavors?

Baskin Robbins. Oh, that's Baskin Robbins? Yes. Derek Queen and Baskin Robbins are something entirely different. Baskin Robbins only sell ice cream. Derek Queen sell other stuff too. Okay, I, you know, I never knew that. They sell hot dogs, they sell chicken tenders, they sell fish filet, fish sandwiches. A single cheeseburger, double and a triple. Right. But I got the bacon double cheeseburger, huh? You ever been to Jumbo's?

They got Jumbo's where you from? No. What about White Castle? Not where I'm from, a small town. We had, we had Dairy Queen and we had Hardee's. Oh, see that's, I ain't, yeah, that's why you from, okay, okay, okay. I ain't know nobody know White Castle until maybe I got to Colorado. We had, they had crystals like in Savannah. I heard, I know, I was on the road. I think I might've been to Daytona. They are crystals in Daytona, right?

If I'm not mistaken. I went to NASCAR and I went to crystals with some folks and maybe it was cool. It was cool, I enjoyed it. My first time having in North Carolina, I went to, I had Cookout. I ain't never heard of that. You ever had, what?

Uh-uh. You never heard of cookout? Nope. Oh, man. I stopped by the road driving home and ate a Cracker Barrel though. Oh, hey, Cracker Barrel good, man. You know, some people don't like it.

I hear all the chirps in there. If you didn't get in there, hell, seems like everybody else be stoppin' trying to get Cracker Barrel too. Right, hey, the mama's breakfast from Cracker Barrel, the pancakes with the eggs scrambled, with the sausage, and I have warm, I have warm a syrup up, so it come out hot? Man, stop playing.

Yeah. What we talkin' about? Yeah. So, uh, yeah, bro, you straight now, but I tell people all the time, it ain't how much you make, it's how much you keep. Oh, yeah, bro, you straight now, but I tell people all the time, it ain't how much you make it, it's how much you keep. Oh yeah, all the time. Hey, look, if there's something that you always wanted, get your mom a little crib, you ain't got to get your mom no 20,000, 10,000 square feet. Get your mom something that she can keep up herself.

And you know, you wanted something, I know there's something that you wanted, a special type of car. I mean, considering that you're in New York, you probably don't get an SUV. You need something that you can drive all the time. So whether it's a G-Wagon or a Range Rover, something that, you know, that you, hey, stylish in the spring and summer, but also it gets cold, it gets snow on the ground in New York. So you're going to have to, it needs to be have a dual purpose. Now, unlike, you know, if you're in Tampa, you're in Miami, hey, it gets snow on the ground in New York. So you're going to have to, you need to be, have a dual purpose. Now, unlike a, you know, if you're in Tampa, you're in Miami, Hey, it ain't

going to snow, you can get you, you can get you, you know, rolls or bed lift. I'm saying if you're a high draft, high round draft pick, if that's what you want, whatever it is that I've always wanted, you get that. But yeah, just, but after that bro, like, hey, stock that money. Yeah, most definitely. Stock it. Yeah.

Oh, matter of fact, matter of fact, before we keep going, before we keep going, for all the mothers that are in the chat, if you're on the East Coast, happy Mother's Day to all of you, to my baby. I know you're probably asleep when you're watching. happy Mother's Day to all of you, to my baby. I know you're probably sleeping and you're watching. Happy Mother's Day to you as well. And that's pretty much it.

Yeah, happy Mother's Day. Obviously, we're not on tomorrow. Yeah, let me go and get it down because we're not on tomorrow. So happy Mother's Day to everybody that's on the East Coast. Even if you're not on the East Coast, Happy Mother's Day, this is your day. Enjoy, enjoy this day and many, many more to come because you've earned it.

You've earned this day brunch, whatever the case may be, bottomless mimosos, whatever the case you and your girls are, uh-huh, mimosas, whatever it is, drink to your heart content, whether it's you and your girls, you and your hubby, your boyfriend, your significant other, or it's just a family outing. To all the mothers out there,

congratulations for the job that you do, and hopefully you enjoy your day because you've earned this day. Man, they don't do nothing like that for us or with your old father's day. Huh? Hey, listen, I don't- Look at all, what do all the athletes say when they get the camera in them?

Hey, mom! Hey, dad. Ain't nobody holding those signs say, hey, dad. Hey, mom. I was the Tory for, hey, granny. Mm-hmm. At that time, my grandmother was the only one alive. All my other, my grandparents had passed away.

So, no, but to all the moms out there, sincerely, from the bottom of our heart here at Nightcap, Ocho and I, we want to wish you a very, very special day. And hopefully you enjoy this day. Basically, I mean, you basically can celebrate up to all the great mothers out there that's doing a wonderful job. You really should have every day as Mother's Day because it's a huge undertaking to raise kids, to raise a family, to be that person, that rock, that foundation. So we just want to say thank you for the job that you do. I'm going to the grave site early in the morning. I think they open at eight, nine o'clock.

I'm going out there, call that old girl and my grandma, sit down there with them for a little bit. Yeah, yeah. You going out there, you gonna eat with them? Yeah, but I don't eat. I got my coffee and my cigar. And I got a little chair in the back of my truck. I sit in a little chair out there,

and I play some of the old school Mississippi mass choir. Right. Had a song. James Cleveland. Yeah, Reverend James Cleveland, Reverend James Boyle. My grandfather loved him. Hey, man, listen, man. Fire blind boys.

What you know about the fire blind boys, man? I never forget. I always think about, I always question life after death and where do people go once they pass on it, they transition. I always say it all the time, every blue moon, even I think on here before, I always look for signs. If you loved the way you said you did when you were alive,

how come you never talked to me once you left? I'd never get any signs. People say, well, signs are always there. They're always there. You just never pay attention. So I started paying attention to everything that was not normal that went along or went on in my life. And still to this day, grandma passed away in 2018. I mean, yeah, my mom has been gone now since 2021. And I just been waiting on a sign of some sort. You know, the whisper. Sometimes, you know, you hear people say,

my mama came to me and my grandma came to me or so-and-so came to me in my dream and I could hear her voice. I just haven't gotten that sign yet. And I can't wait, I can't wait for that day where I can get that sign just to know that they okay. Are they doing well? Or just, just whatever.

I think sometimes, Ocho, when we looking for signs, I think you say, speak to us, you looking for them like you and I talking right now. And it doesn't happen like that. I mean, sometimes it does, it come to you in your dream. I mean, people say, man, and it would just seem like just yesterday I was just talking to my mom or my dad or somebody,

a significant other in my family that I've lost and they were having a conversation. Um, and that's happened. I've actually, you know, been in a dream and I would tell my sister, I was having a conversation with granted and it just seemed like it was just so real. Um, but yeah, that's, uh, that's tough. Yeah, man. That's tough to, uh, because you want you, I mean, I think Ocho for me, my grandmother saw a lot

of what I've accomplished. I mean, she was there, you know, going to college and I was talking, I was telling somebody, I was like, probably the proudest that I probably, that I think I've been, my grandmother came to see my last college game. Last college game I played in Savannah State, my grandmother came, she had never seen me play before that.

They brought my sister, they brought her out on the field. And you know, it's like, hey, you know, no, no. Boy, I gave a look on show. Uh, my grandma came on the field and then she came to see me graduate in college. Man. Mm. That's live. To see that, uh, to see a baby catch a touchdown in his final game at Savannah State, to see

a baby get that degree. Cause I told, I told people, I tell this story all the time, my grandmother sent me to Savannah State for two reasons, to get a degree and go to the NFL. I didn't know which one was going to happen first, but they were both going to happen. Yeah. My grandma didn't see me there. I didn't, uh, to, to, you know, bulljive around. I like I'm here.

If I'm here and I've never understood that, that some people go to college for four years and they're further from graduating to when they got there. How the hell did that happen? Oh, I'm here. And I started in developmental studies, Ocho. Developmental studies. Man, I wasn't embarrassed. They couldn't embarrass me. All them guys, they didn't want to go to class.

They gonna think I'm dumb. Well, theoretically, by the, by the, by the letter alone, you are. But the objective is not to stay that way. Man, joke was flunked out, cause he wouldn't go to school. What? I'm going up in there with Joe, go right to that trailer. I'm first one in sitting in class. I go get that good old, get them biscuits, sausage, biscuits, scrambled eggs. Uh, uh, uh, orange juice, belly full, go sit up there and learn. I'm not embarrassed. I'm not embarrassed for the results I didn't get

for the work that I didn't put in. I didn't put in. Ooh, that's a good one. I know I didn't do what I was supposed to do in high school. So how could I expect exemplary results when I gave bull jive effort? I put the work in, I put the effort in, the results came. It's really that simple.

It really is. It's not the Pythagorean theorem. It's not this overly complex situation, Ocho. Hard work doesn't guarantee you anything, but I believe without it, you don't really have a chance. So sometimes, like, man, I work hard. Hard work doesn't guarantee that you're going to get what you set out to get. I just believe that without it, you don't have a chance. Right. And that's all I've ever wanted was a chance.

I'll let the chips fall where they may, Ocho. Mm-hmm. Wherever they may, wherever they may. I'm gonna get, cause I never, I never want to be one of those guys that look back and say, man, if I'd have, man, I think if I'd have did this a little better, if I'd have worked a little harder, if I hadn't gone to the club, if I had to, if I'd have just trained a little harder, Ocho, ain't no telling.

Right. That ain't it for me. I got everything I could out of this God given ability. And I got the scars to prove it. Because I push myself beyond probably what I should have. Or, no, I shouldn't say that. Because you don't know how far you can go Until you go that far. Yes, sir. And but you got to be willing to risk

Going that far to possibly know how far you can go. That's what Evan Hillary said when he's the first man to scale Mount Everest He says only the man willing to risk going too far can possibly know how far he can go Hmm too far can possibly know how far he can go. Hmm. Bingo's first round pick. Shamar Stewart isn't participating in any on field work until his contract is finalized, even with the standard injury waiver for rookies. Let's take a listen to what Shamar had to say. Participate in many camps today. Um, I just decided not to sign those papers.

Do you anticipate signing your contract before Monday to join the team, or you're not sure when that's gonna come together? I would hope so. I mean, I would love to be part of the team. I'd be on the sideline just looking at everybody else do work. I was gonna say, how tough is it for you? Yeah, especially on the first day.

It was kind of tough on me. Are you part of the readings? Are you doing other things as part of this? Oh yeah, I'm doing everything else. I'm just like on the field stuff. I'm not doing it. Bingo's first and second round picks Jamar Stewart and Demetrius Knight

are refusing to partake in on-field work until they get their rookie deal signed. Stuart and Knight are the only rookies refusing to do field work until they sign despite having injury protection. Ocho, what's going on in the Sensei? Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean if you have injury protection, I'm sure the language in there despite having that clause in it, there might be some some some verbiage that doesn't sit well with not just them, but their representation as well, which is why they're not participating. That's the only thing I could think of.

I don't know what the severity of it is, but it's enough to where they've been told not to participate just in case something happens. Normally, if you get a 10% bump, unless you're quarterback to what the slot got last year. So you get 10% quick. You get injured, you're gonna get that. That's what you're gonna get. I'm confused. I really am, Ocho.

I really am. Yeah, this is a situation that's really unfamiliar to me. I haven't done a deep dive into it. So dive into it. So I mean, hopefully young boy. What selection was he? 12, 13? Yeah, he was out there now. Yeah, I'm confused by this. Yeah, I'm not sure what's going on. 17th. Can we see what the 17th pick got last year?

Because normally you get a 10% raise on your quarterback. The quarterback normally, that spot, he's going to probably get 15, 20% raise over that because he's a premium position. Right. What? 15 million? He's a premium position. Right. What? 15 million. Maybe more. Maybe 20.

Interested who 17 pick last year. Yeah. I'm surprised that they're taking this stance. I mean, thank you. Thank you. You get off on the wrong foot with the team already. Wait, who's, who's on the wrong foot here? The player or the team? I mean, the team is what it is.

I mean, the team, I mean, the thing is, is okay. We like, that's why they put it in there because they didn't want a rookie to go hurt and then all of a sudden it decreases value The values there you get protections, right? Okay. Yeah In a situation like marka Micah, I totally agree with Micah Micah Parsons, right? Right. Right. Right. Yeah, she's like no, I'm not getting on the field until I get this deal done. I get that. I totally get that. Oh yeah.

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Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Yaron Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. 19 million. So he'll get, so basically he'll get $21 million. So basically it's a 10% raise, 1.9 million. So you're looking at $21 million, don't you? Right. Okay. Understandable. Rams head coach Sean McVay introduced newly acquired Devontae Adams to his teammates by showing his film. Let's watch the special intro, but Sean, think they. I'd be able to have Devontae Adams.

He's got a lot of respect. He's earned it with the way that he works over the course of his career, but it's always good to be able to see some of the cool guys that put on tape. All right. Looking forward to being able to see you guys partner up with Tay. Up top, recognizing man coverage and you can appreciate it from this angle. All right. The over the shoulder. But when you see it from the end zone, talk about being able to win

ISO, sideline awareness that yes, we're still was right. Give it up to Tay on that. It's not done yet. We got a couple more. One of the things that guys have seen about the Vonte, you can tell it was a hooper, can get parallel, can work edges on people. These are the things that you love to be able to see, all right? Isolation fades.

This is going to make us better collectively on both sides, all right? Being able to add a great player like Devontae Adams, and he's got the ability to be able to finish and make plays. Very excited to add him. More importantly, because of the person that he is. But he is also a total G on the field. Give it up for Devon. Yeah.

That's a lie. That's a lie. That's dope. That's dope. That's that boy. Shall we re-hook that up? That's that boy. The greatest, one of the greatest right runners to ever play this game.

And honestly, I know he doesn't put up the numbers that we're all used to seeing. And people will say, you know, Jamar Chase, you greatest, one of the greatest route runners to ever play this game. And honestly, I know he doesn't put up the numbers that we're all used to seeing and people will say, Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson and all the young bulls, Terry McLoran, but nobody run no routes like Devontae Adams, man. Can't nobody put him up and put him down like he can and create this kind of separation he can even still,

if given the right opportunities at his age now. So much respect to him. I'm excited to see what he's going to do alongside Tuka Nakua. Yeah. They should be nice. They should be real nice. I think so too. And Matthew Stafford can still flat out throw it.

Well, he can. He can throw it. Jesus Christ. He got a strong arm. What do you think the Ram's ceiling is this year, Ocho? With that defense, man. That defense, that front four. Be good.

That D-end and that young bull, I can't remember the- Verse is the D-end. The D-end, verse, and I can't remember, he wear a 55. That D-tackle, he got a D-tackle. Yeah, that D-tackle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's special. I think he out of Florida State. Yeah.

Hey, ain't no telling. I, maybe, maybe. out of Florida State. Yeah. Hey ain't no telling. Maybe. If they can protect Stafford. I like Williams running the football. Right. I like him. I like him a lot. Can he protect Stafford? Because we know he can make all the throws. I'd say nine, ten minutes season. Yeah, I can see 10. I can see 10, definitely see 10 in that division. 10 and six, 11 and five. Nah, let me take that back. 10 and seven, 11 and six. Six, right.

Yeah, something around that. Something around that. Bryce Young was confused why Panther's media members weren't in the building. Ocho, let's take a look at this. Yep, all good, all good. What was the occasion for the, y'all didn't feel like coming to work today?

It was a... We weren't invited. That's not our call. We weren't invited. Yeah, we'd like to be there. Oh yeah, I feel, hey, man. There's a half mile perimeter around the facility. They won't let us near you guys. Oh man

cold world Wait, is he doing that? He's doing that zoom or something. Yes What they they had a incident out there or something? No, I think that, I mean, the team could allow media members when they can. You see Tampa had this situation where media members were allowed to be there, and this situation they weren't. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So I guess it just varies to team to team. Right, right, right.

Depending on the place. That sucks. Oh, Joe, an addict returns stolen money five years later. It says, about five and a half years ago, I did something very terrible to you. I stole your wallet out of your purse. And I was a drug addict, wanted to take money from whoever I could get my next high.

I didn't even know you. I picked pocket of you and took it right out of your purse. I took the best buy card, had it, whatever the cash was, I threw it in the wallet in the trash can next to the store. Not long after that, landed in the treatment facility, got sober, been sober four years now, and just recently returned, just recently found your Best Buy card

and the bad old stuff. I looked up your name and found that you were working, so I hear, I am. Can't imagine the frustration and despair I put you through, not to mention the time and effort looking for getting all your new stuff. It is an unforgivable for what I've done, but I would like to pay you a small amount of money for it.

I'll also never hurt someone, I've also never hurt someone and I will ever again and will continue to live an honest life. I wish you nothing but happiness, prosperity, and good health. How much is that? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Well, that's a good old gesture, man. What's my interest on that thing?

Oh, what, four year interest? Yeah, a little interest. I mean, the Gord raise about, stock market returned about 8% last year. On average it turns about four and a half to 5%. So let's just split the difference. Let's say 6% over five years, Ash. Probably tell them enough faulty.

Yeah. You should have said that too. Should have said a 180, 200. Yeah. Hey, wait a minute, listen, the fact that- And it could be because you had to go get all the new stuff. You had to go to the DMV, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Had to replace all the credit cards. Yeah. Listen, the fact that he had to go get all the new stuff, had to go to the DMV, you know what I'm saying? With your head replaced, all the credit cards.

Yeah. I mean, just the fact that he was even willing to do this. That's nice. You know, it is. It's all nice. That's a great gesture, bro. Change changing your life around. That's dope. That's live. That's live. I like that.

The greatest apology is change behavior. To say that he was sorry for doing this and not change, you're not sorry. Right. He said he's been sober for over four years. Say he's not that person that he once was back then. That's all you can ask for. The greatest apology is change behavior.

All right, Ocho, now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. No Chill Will said, should rings define greatness or impact bigger than hardware? No. No. Because rings are a collective team accomplishment, not individual. No, we use rings and other things to define great this greatness can be defined without rings.

Barry Bond doesn't have a ring. He's great. Carl Malone, Charles Barkley doesn't have rings. They're great. Yeah. Dan Marino, Warren Moon don't have rings. They're great. Yeah. Dan Marino, Warren Moon don't have rings. They're great. Bruce Smith doesn't have a ring. He's great.

But we're trying to get EST Ocho. Now we have to bring that and other things into play. But I don't believe rings should be the only determining factor whether someone is great or not. Absolutely not. We finally agree on something. should be the only determining factor whether someone is great or not. Absolutely not. We finally agree on something. 30 underscore 39 to Q who had better career, who was a better player? Westbrook or Kyrie?

I mean, both are still playing. I mean, one's an MVP. What All-Star? Well, how the All-Star shape up? How the All-NBA selections shape up? I think, uh, Westbrook and Kyrie. I think Westbrook has probably been the more, All-Star games, probably been the first team All-N games probably been all first team all-MBA more. I think he had three

or four seasons where he averaged a triple double. I would say Westbrook. I think Westbrook has had a better career. Nine time both, nine time all-star. both the nine time All-Star. Russ. Russ is a nine time All-NBA selection. And he's a member of the 75th anniversary team, one of the 75 greatest players to ever play in the NBA. Yeah, Russ. Fizz New Jersey. Ocho correct, we're all human. We make mistakes, but probably none bigger than the Giants letting Saquon walk, Dallas creating Luca,

Kings passing Shador. Oh man. Well, it's not the fact that they let Saquon go, it was the flippient behavior of the general manager. Now, you know, you hear things like, they wanted that removed, but the NFL said no, blah, blah, blah. That's why teams don't want to do it.

If you say we have creative control of what's been under, you shouldn't be able to usurp that, because you know that's going to put me in a negative light. Right. And so that's why to put me on a negative light. Right. And so that's why teams don't want to do it. It's, it's intrusive, it's invasive. And no, some things that are said, Ocho should remain behind closed doors.

That should have never made the light of day. Yes, he said it, but I guarantee he wouldn't have said it if he thought it was gonna be on hard knocks for all the world to see. And it shouldn't have been. It's about time. How about this here? Let's put cameras in the owner's meeting.

You don't wanna do that? Let that be hard knocks. You don't wanna do that? Why not? You don't wanna do that? Let's hear what's hard knocks. You don't want to do that. Why not? You don't want to do that. Let's say what's being said. They want the fans to hear what's being said by the general managers and owners

and all that stuff, head coaches, owners meeting. When they meet with Roger Goodell. And they, mm-hmm, let's put that in there. Reggie, if you want that. Exactly. I didn't think so. Rugby, Millie Z Vlogs. You love, you got, you got love in Harlem. Tell a man we need your game card in there. Thank you, Harlem.

I don't, you got to talk to Ocho about that man stuff. I don't know nothing about man. What's, what's a man card, Ocho? Man card. I'm going to, you gotta talk to Ocho about that man stuff. I don't know nothing about man. What's a man card, Ocho? Man card, I'ma get you one. I'ma make sure we gonna get you one this year. What'd I do? Man card, like, you know, you're a legend. You be it so they can play with you in the game.

I ain't got no card? Nah. Hold on, I gotta have something. I'm in the hall, I gotta have some kind of card. Nah, you ain't in there, man. I'm gonna get you in there, though. Whatever. Hey, what the hell is wrong with my mic?

PJP11 said, my 10-year-old nephew signed up for football this summer. I grew up in a basketball kid, so I'm not really familiar with workout drills. As to two hall fame pass catchers. What should I start as far as working with him? He wants to play wide receiver. Well, you got to test out his hand-eye coordination. Yeah. Line him up five yards, throw him the ball. As he catches it, back him up. Then you have him to go down there and try to catch the

ball over his shoulder. You tell him to go down there and you tell him to break out. You tell him to break in. But the biggest thing, hand-eye coordination. He has to be able to catch the ball. He has to be able to track the ball. And you know fairly early what's his hand-eye coordination look like. What you thinking, Onkanocho?

Dude, YouTube, what? YouTube. It, it, it shows you everything you need to know, especially regardless of age. Four, five, six, seven teenagers, high school, you know? And, um, once you get a little advanced, they got something for that too. Brie Carter said, Uncle Nocho, which card game causes more fights, uno or spades? Spades? Spades! That's without question. Cause I be in your face.

You know the answer to that. Spades. Oh, oh, oh, oh, you thought that was gonna walk? No it ain't! Oh, you think you had another one? No get that, give me that, give me that, give me, give me,, oh, you thought that was gonna walk? No, it ain't. Oh, you think you had another one. No, get that, give me that, give me that, give me, give me, give me, give me. Hey, for a Spades man at the right family? The right family. You know what I'm gonna do right here.

I take that big joker, that's your set book. It ain't going nowhere. I didn't want you to see it a whole while. Your whole while, because I knew you did. You see what you did? That's your set book right there. It ain't going nowhere, but didn't want you to stay in the whole while. The whole while, because I knew you did. You knew you did? That's your set book right there. It ain't going nowhere. Go ahead. What you got? Oh man. Boy, Space Game, man. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Ain't nothing like it. Ain't nothing like it.

Especially at a family function. What? Oh yeah. Get a bunch of... Oh, get a bunch of... I told him, I told him. How many you been? You been four more than what you had. Ha! Be with the punk house.

Fly! Get back! Hey, and don't get nobody who gonna talk to you the whole game to why you while you're playing now Talking trash the whole game What space I need me a good old space David D Cruz's uncle not your big love tonight cap can't wait to meet requested if possible. Can I get a sign Jersey? Ocho ain't got no jerseys Hey, I think I just broke my mic.

What you do? Man, it just broke off the arm. I'm holding it up. The whole arm just broke. Well, you had the worst luck with equipment. Yeah, it's standard. Vaughn Julio said, Uncleocho, long time listener here. Been listening before early giveaways.

Today is my wife's and I, three year anniversary. Any way I can get a shout out, happy Mother's Day please. Absolutely, Von. Happy Mother's Day to the beautiful Mrs. Congratulations on three years. Happy Mother's Day. Now you gotta do something very, very special. Three year anniversary and Mother's Day. Now you gotta do something very, very special. Three year anniversary and Mother's Day?

That means gift, flowers, and brunch. All that? You gotta do all that. All that. So, absolutely. So thank you for your support, you and your wife. Wish you the best on your anniversary Hopefully she had a very very very very special Mother's Day

Let her know Vaughn how much you love it how much you appreciate her and That you are who you are because she is who she is Rugby Billy Vogue said uh which Super Bowl was the best and why, uh, was the most memorable game y'all played? The first Super Bowl. They're nothing like the first. We, we broke the NFC street. NFC had won 14 straight Super Bowls until we beat them at 19 until we beat the Packers.

14 straight. Uh, and we were 11 point underdogs. Brett Favre was the MVP. They had just won the Super Bowl the year before. They batted us. We needed that. So that first Super Bowl was the best for me. Most memorable game y'all played.

Look, I've had better games. No, look, the game that I broke the record against Kansas City, obviously, you know, I had two 14s that game. Yeah. But I don't think I played that well. I caught the ball well, but I didn't play overall as far as blocking total. Maybe the best game I played probably was either the Ravens in 96 or the Chargers in 96.

Cause it's like back to back. I went for like 12 for 153 and three touchdowns and I went for nine for 168. But it was, they were complete games. Right. So bad. When I game against the saints, that was your memorable game? Uh, they, matter of fact, the game get the Chargers game and then the Saints game that was the action the next game So I went 260 and went 190 back-to-back

The MNL 500 yards and just two games. Mm-hmm Yeah And you let what you gotta break your record. Oh Chase oh Yeah, yeah, that's okay. That's okay. If there's anybody gonna break a record, you know, that young boy that can do it.

Hey, he gonna break some more, huh, Ocho? Oh yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, boy. He ain't the real. Yeah, he's on his way to be one of my all-time greats. Real deal. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.

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