Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur Sanders talks Draft criticism + Vikings move forward with McCarthy

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NFL stories of the week including Shedeur Sanders being criticized by draft experts, Viking going with JJ McCarthy over Aaron Rodgers, Tee Higgins upset being called a WR2 & Much more!04:21 - Assessing Shedeur Sanders09:42 - Vikings moving forward with JJ McCarthy22:27 - Cam Heyward: The product sells itself31:14 - Najee Harris says there’s lack of leadership with Steelers40:00 - Don’t call Tee Higgins a WR2(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's definitely a learning experience. There are a lot of things that aren't in your control and just getting the knowledge from your dad and your just coach, family, friends, and everybody you know that's supporting me and helping me through this process is extremely important and I'm thankful that I have those resources. We always understood. Block out the noise even from Jackson State and Colorado. It's a lot of critics. It's a lot of hate, but we know what to do. We know how to handle that in every way. So we remain happy. What do you take away from what Shador spoke to Bucky Brooks about today?

Prime has prepared Shador for this day for a very long time, huh? And he had the right person on his corner who also had to endure the same type of negative negativity in general from the media based on his style of play, the way he approached the game, things that had nothing to do with his play, would always use it against him. Shidou understands that. He should understand that because everything he's talking about has nothing to do with

the game of football. It had nothing to do with what he was able to do at Jackson State. It doesn't talk about with the game of football. It had nothing to do with what he was able to do at Jackson State. It doesn't talk about him winning at Jackson State. It doesn't talk about him winning at Colorado, despite the obstacles he had to overcome, despite having inadequate play at the O-line, still being able to complete 70% of his passes.

They don't talk about none of that. They talk about the way an individual carries himself, his swag, the way he talks. Not about being in trouble. Nothing is talking about that. Ridiculous stuff. Oh, showing off the watch. I mean, so what? It's all about having confidence.

It's all about having belief. That's what it takes to play at the next level and be successful. The fact that they use it as a negative says more about them than it does Shadoor. I hope he never changes. True. He continues to have success in all that he does. Wherever he goes, you want to get a player like that, that's going to change your franchise around

When someone comes up comes out and says I want someone to draft me That wants a player that's going to change a franchise That's something you want in the quarterback I Know so they I know it's frowned upon a little bit to have one that's his brash and his vocal is that But if you look at the film, you turn the film on, you know what you get. It shouldn't be no problems at all. Yeah. I'm sure time prepared him for this and dad prepared him for this.

He's been at this. His dad has been at this for a very long time. He's been in the spotlight since his days at Florida state. So he understands that there's a certain level of criticism that comes along with being the guy, with being a good great football player. He understands that. Also, it comes along with being a quarterback. And yeah, the objective is, I think the thing is, Ocho, a lot of times they try to tell you what you can't do, but they never want to emphasize what you can do. Bring me a guy and tell me what can he do? Because I'm gonna keep him away from what he can't do, but they never want to emphasize what you can do. Bring me a guy and tell me what he, what can he do?

Cause I'm going to keep him away from what he can't do. That's my job as a coach is to not put him in a situation where he can't succeed. Okay. You said he's not good. He's not good on, on, um, read option. Okay. Why would I run his own read if that's not what he's good at? I'm trying to put my players in a situation where they can succeed.

That's what a coach's job is, is to put my players in a situation where they can succeed. That's what a coach's job is, is to put a guy in a position where he can succeed and get more out of him than the player thought he can get out of himself. Yeah. It's gonna be this, I'm glad that, you know, he's doing a great job, as good a job, but he's not a robot, Coach O. He sees this thing. I mean, he's on social media. He hears these things.

He's not a robot. He has feelings. He has emotions. And so no matter how much you like, oh, no, eventually, yeah, you hear it. You hear all the negativity that what they're saying. It doesn't make it any easier. Now, your dad can tell you like, hey son, this is blah, blah, blah, but it doesn't make it easier. Oh Joe, I ain't trying to hear that. This supposed to be one of the look.

If your door is what we think he is and can, and can become the player that we think he can. All that noise. That's all it is. It's just noise. It should have no impact. What somebody says about you, and his dad says,

what you say about me is not what I think of myself. Absolutely. I just hope he has the mental fortitude not to let it bother him. The fact that he's already been through it for so long, and he has prime as his father, I don't think it will. Because I know a lot of people, when it comes to the media

and the media jumps on you and they talk about you, sometimes it gets to certain people. But I think the door is built different. Prime has been built different. So I think he has a great understanding to ignore the bluffing noise out. And when his time comes in April, wherever he goes, he shows up and shows the you know what out.

I'm excited for him, man. The Vikings are set to roll with JJ McCarthy. Thank you. Not pursue Aaron Rodgers. Thank you. The Vikings have rejected multiple trade calls for JJ McCarthy telling other teams they're moving forward with him as their quarterback.

The team plans to add a veteran, but they're not pursuing Aaron Rodgers at this time. McCarthy now enters the offseason as QB1. That's a good thing. That's a good thing. And listen, I don't like the way Aaron Rodgers is using the leverage, using his past, his accolades, his resume, and what he's done in the past. The whole team steadily at hostage. some of the report hold him hostage Move on. Oh

Look, you're down allowing him just like Green Bay allowed him to do all the things that he did There the Jets allowed Green Bay allowed it the Jets allowed it. Just move on That's exactly what they should do. Now. This is what I like about Minnesota the reports came up They can the reports came out about Minnesota obviously being in the hunt for trading for him. And what they did right away, it ain't even been two days. Oh, we're going to nix that real quick. We don't have time to play them games with you. So obviously you haven't learned your lesson with the last two places you've been to.

Because now here you go telling the other teams you're not sure on what you want to do yet. Having them wait using the leverage that you do have, the little bit of leverage you still have, to play games. I'm glad that Minnesota Vikings came out and said what they said. They're going forward with J.J. McCarthy because you drafted him for a reason and you understand what he can do, especially with the supporting cast he has around him, because you saw what Sam Darnan was able to do. He wasn't able to do it with the Jets, he wasn't able to do it with the Panthers, but

all of a sudden he comes to Minnesota and he has a career year. And that's this time for J.J. McCarthy to step up and do the same damn thing. And that's what he's probably going to do, because what he has around him is very, very special. Yeah, well you got to find out what, if the guy can play on that, Ojo. I mean, you keep kicking the can down the road. Yeah, but listen, even if he couldn't play, we didn't think Sam Donald would play either when he was with the Jets. We didn't think he could play when he was with the Panthers. But all of a sudden, magically, he turned into the goddamn Houdini over there in Minnesota. But we saw what he looked like the last two games of the season.

Because see, there's this thing called expectations. Yeah. You tell me, because think about what you just said. You didn't think Sam Darnold was going to do that. Nobody thought Sam Darnold was going to do that until expectations came along. And then expectations came along. Oh, we got to get the number one seed. And then what happened? Oh, we're in the playoffs.

Then what happened? He turned back into Sam Darnold. You see, expectations is the number one killer of goals and dreams. Yeah. Because the moment someone expects something up, see, that's the only way you can hurt me, Ocho. Hey, if I don't expect anything, if I'm in a relationship and I'm just casually, I don't expect nothing. Hey, you do you, I'm going to do me.

It's the moment we have expectations in each other. See? That it bothers me that it hurts me if you do something that I don't agree with. See what I mean Oh the Vikings started to have expectations. We started to have expectations for Sam Darnall and you see what happened Now night you you you was preaching a little too fast now. I'm not sure if you can I'm not sure You can't catch that but that was a moment That was a moment a lot of people might have missed because we're talking about football

But that's something that could apply to life that I think a lot of people miss, but I didn't miss it. Because as soon as I heard it, you know I keep that thing on me. Yeah, you keep it all you? Expectation. Now bring that to me again, I gotta write it down. Now when it gets to the end of the year,

what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna take all these quotes that I wrote down, and I'm gonna make a nightcap booklet called Unks Quotes. So people can apply it to life. Expectations, just need to make a sound. Yeah, it's the number one killer of dreams and goals. Because here's the thing, Ocho. Sam Darnold, nobody because they're like, man, he was terrible with the Jets.

Well, he was terrible with Carolina. Well, we didn't get an opportunity to see him really at San Fran So everybody was expecting remember the last two stops that they saw him that he wasn't that good, right? Okay, so now he doesn't have any expectations the more you win the more expectations come along with that. So now The last couple of games of the season. Okay, we got an opportunity to get the number one seed. Right. Boom. Oh, we're in the playoffs now, don't matter,

blah, blah, blah. Mm-hmm. Boom. Yeah. And you know that, hey, that playoff atmosphere is different now. That's a whole different ballgame than playing in the regular season.

Regular season, he looked phenomenal. It's the type of pressure again, the one word expectation that comes with being the quarterback. Especially in that type of situation. So I kind of understand in the team you are playing or had to play. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what happens when you have expectations on you. Like I said, and I like to equate things to relationships because most of the people, especially in our chat,

has been in a relationship. And relate to it, yeah. It's the moment you have expectations. You see, when a couple's in a relationship, in marriage, there's an expectation. You're going to be faithful, I'm going to be faithful. I'm going to protect you, you're going to faithful. I'm gonna be faithful. Oh, I'm gonna protect you. You're gonna protect me. Come on I I'm gonna honor the vows that we stood before God and we swore to each other now I Have that expectation

But hey, if you say hey what you doing tonight? Uh, I Will be able to see you tonight and everybody there's like there's no Expectations I's no expectations. I have no obligation. You have no obligation to me. I see you when I see you. I'm gonna holler. And you know what I don't like about the analogy

and that you're giving me right now? It's a marriage one normally doesn't work. But the one with no expectations, hell, you'd be friends. You'd be sneaky links or whatever you want to call call it, for years and years and years and years all the way down the line, because there are no expectations, so there's no failure or reason for anything to ever end. All but here's the sneaky part,

Ocho, where to get you. You see, the number one cause, that will cause a relationship to end is uncommunicated expectations. You see, Ocho, she expected you to get her flowers and you didn't get them. Why didn't you tell me you wanted flowers? She expected you, Ocho, to plan this vacation. You didn't know she wanted to go on a vacation. Uncommunicated expectations. Ocho thought that you know what? Hey, she's going to do this thing for Father's Day. We're going to do it up vacation. Uncommunicated expectations. I like that. Old Joe thought, did you know what?

Hey, she gonna do this thing for Father's Day. We gonna do it up, blah, blah, blah. She didn't do it. You see, uncommunicated expectations, but again, uncommunicated, but what's the end part? Expectations. I like that. I haven't heard that.

I haven't even heard that word before. Not used, not used in this context and actually used together. Uncommunicated expectations. I like that. That's a new thing. You see, she has an expectation, but she didn't communicate them with you.

You have an expectation, but you didn't communicate them with her. So those uncommunicated expectations, and what happens, a lot of times people have what we call an implosive Personalities they hold things hold things hold things. There's only so much you can hold before it explodes Mm-hmm your term. Oh you went postal. Yeah Boom and so now instead of just saying well,, Chad, I thought that we were going to do this. Right. No.

One month go by, two months go by, three months go by, four months go by and it's building. Wait, you don't know. It's not been communicated. So you don't know. It's building. It's building. It's building. Boom. Then it blows. Yeah. You've been with me all this time, you should have known.

You see, how many times you heard that old joke? All the time. You know what I like. Yeah, all the time, all the time, because you've been with him a certain amount, you've been with someone for a certain amount of time, and you know women all the time. Oh, I know you real well.

I know you real well. I know what you're gonna say. You can say something else. Yes. You can finish this sentence for you But all of a sudden when they come to certain stuff, oh You didn't want to know I know you wanted that I know you like oh you can't read my mind I threw you hints. I gave you a sign a few I gave you a sign a few weeks ago a sign

Yeah, what? Yeah, yeah in the commercial. What? Yeah. In the commercial. I mentioned it when it came on TV. Yeah, I missed a sign that God gave me too. He said, but you. Mm-hmm. You shoulda told her, you shoulda said, I missed a sign that God gave me.

I shoulda left your ass alone about six months ago. I missed that sign. But yeah, and that's the thing. I just think, you know, sometimes we take for granted and you've been in a relationship. Just tell me. Yeah. I'm one of these guys, Ocho. Just tell me. If you want to do something, tell me. I don't have time. I got too much ish on my plate.

You try to figure out what you want. You can just open your mouth and say, if you want to go here, say that. If you want to eat that, say that. If you want to eat that, say that. If you want this, say that. But the guy, me, you know what to talk about on them shows? Uh oh. What the heck? What they gotta do with this? What that gotta do with you telling me

what you would like to do. Mm-hmm. were you telling me what you would like to do? And so I think the thing here for the Vikings, they have an expectation. Now they see their offense. Yeah. They realize that, Hey, Jetta is going to be Jetta Hawkinson's been a pro bowl player, Addison, Hey, the more opportunities we give him, the better he can be. Yeah. Offensive line.

Maybe they can add a piece to the offensive line. But other than that, I think you, you, you always, I mean, you dropped the kid when you drafted him and now you, you, you keep kicking the can down the road. And, and then he's like, hold on, what I gotta do? You took me, you told me I was the guy and now I get hurt. Okay. I get that.

I understand that I got hurt. There's nothing I can do about that old Joe, but then I come back and Y'all got another guy you tell me got it. I got away to another year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I did that that was that was bother that would bother anybody especially a quarterback that Drafted where you got drafted expected to start but due to injury He had a small setback and now you've done all the work you need to do during the season last year to get yourself back, not only in playing shape physically and mentally,

but now you talk about bringing somebody else in, another veteran president, and telling me I gotta take a backseat again? Yeah. Man, wait a minute. What are we talking about here? So I'm happy for him. I'm glad that the organization decided to hurry up and nix the rumors that were out

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I ain't doing none of that darkness retreat. I don't need any of that crap. If you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't, that's simple. That's the pitch. If you want me to recruit, that's recruiting pitch Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want to be a part of it, so be it. If you don't, no skin off my back. Hey, there's certain teams. You look at the logo on the helmet, they don't need no help. Right. They don't need no recruiting pitch. The product sells itself. Again, I always use that. I always use that example of

Blue Magic in the movie American Gangster with Denzel Washington. The product sells itself. The Steelers historic franchise, them stars on the side of the helmet, it sells itself. The other franchise, things are bigger in Texas, the product sells itself. You don't need to do anything for it. You don't have to recruit nobody. You have to you have to sell nobody nothing because they never to know that wouldn't be a recruitment oh Joe that'll be begging and that's what he wants thank you I like what did what I like the Jets do the Jets got on a private plane right and flew to him yes. I mean,

Ocho, I don't know if you saw this, but I had Young Miami on the podcast. Hey, Um, hey Um, but I saw you shooting, boy. Hey, let me tell you something. Boy, you were shooting 70% for the field that night. 80% percent, 80% percent. Hey, Um, don't do that. I see you blushing, baby. Nah, nah, nah, nah, I wasn't shooting.

Hey, you was shooting. I'm just having great conversation. That's all. Yeah, yeah, you know when you're in conversation, that's called shooting, nah, nah, nah, I wasn't shooting. I'm just having great conversation. That's all. Yeah, you know when you're having a conversation, that's called shooting. Depending on what you say, it ain't what you say, it's how you say it. It's all about your delivery, baby. You was on point. But let them tell it, I was shooting that cash doll. I was shooting that Amber Rose. I was shooting that Young Miami. No, no, no, no. I was shooting that Kiki. I was shooting that Label Dab. I was shooting that Baguette. Label Dab. Can I have a conversation? Well, no. I was shooting at Kiki. I was shooting, I was like, what the hell? I was shooting at Becky G. I was like, what the hell? Can I have a conversation?

Well, this was a little different now. You didn't shoot at Casdol. You didn't shoot at nobody else. Now, this is the conversation and the energy and the aura and the chemistry in which you can't see. You can't see it because you actually in the room. See, I'm not in the room with you. Yeah. I can see, I can see the heat coming off the couch. You hear me? I can see the connection in the chemistry. Now I'm not I'm talking about the type of chemistry when you play Twister. That kind of chemistry. Where they say red and you got the crossover. You hear me? Yeah. I've seen it. Now you can't see it. So it's my dude. I'm in the room. Listen I know you're in the room. That's why you can't see it. So I'm trying to tell you what I saw. Your Wi- on point. I'm talking about every every bar was there it was there. It was a connection

There was chemistry you can't see it. So I you do it that what you will and we can't do it That's the way I'm not doing anything with Joe. We're happy. I'm 1000 Okay For me, right? I couldn't in good conscience, right? It almost, it would be almost like I'm a therapist and some lady comes and talks about her problems and then I end up sleeping with her. Or if I'm a, I'm a lawyer and I have a client and I know she's, she's, uh, uh, she's vulnerable. Right. Nah.

Right, bro, I'm just having a conversation. I mean, I love the fact. Go ahead. Let me see, let me see. What conversation. I mean, I love the fact. Go ahead. Let me see. Let me see. You know, it's the problem. It's the problem. This is what happens when it comes to us.

When it comes to us, our people, we overthink things. We overthink things and we try to analyze them and we put things in our head with a scenario like you just did. Now you just said a scenario, you gave a narrative that fit the way you thought this individual is based on the situation that you created. Now see God always has a plan for us and he puts people in our life in certain situations and you missing your blessing. That could be. Now Young Miami chose to come do club shay-shay and sat down. Yes, yes, yes. I'm

grateful for every guess. Yeah, now listen that could have been a sign from God. You never know. Now what I saw when I watched the interview, I said, but this is more than just a talk. This is more than just a conversation. Now I can see the energy, I can see the aura, I can see the chemistry on camera. Now you can't see it, and I'm telling you again. Now listen to me when I talk to you, because I wouldn't tell you and I wouldn't stay You wrong because this will the wheel over here Jesus got this one. Okay I'm not telling I'm not telling to make no moves. I'm just telling you I Can see it and enjoy it? Oh Joe. I know I know we got people watching you really want to say no No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no people watching

It's just like you heard what she said man guys show out your guys showing up with croc Birkins No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, You talked about Birkins and G Wagon. Now this is right up your alley. It's about what you, you switch you were talking about. Oh Joe, that's a build up. She said Birkins now is a starter pack. Right. I'm thinking LB. I'm thinking Gucci, YSL. I'm thinking Dior. Right. She say Birkins, croc Birkins.

Right. That's a starter pack. Guide by G. Man, man, come on, man. Y'all, y'all know, man. First of all. You say you want him young, huh? Didn't I tell you? Didn't I tell you you got to evolve? This is what you got to deal with when you want him young. Huh? Not only that,

there's certain other areas, hon. You're gonna have to, listen, you're gonna have to update your resume. Well, I'm gonna have to go, I'm gonna have to, let me tell you what I'm gonna have to do. I'm gonna have to start going to church and get me somebody with a hat. in they sitting in the deaconess corner Bad I got the bread like hey Uh-uh, I didn't me I tell you I tell you what I tell you what I tell you what Now if you if you if you do me a solid and you do me a favor young Miami, you know That's my sister now, you know, she from Miami. She from Dade County now. Okay, I'm just making sure you know,

that's why I'm vouching for Sister. Yeah, no, I look. I know, I know you're trying to keep it professional. No, but I like the fact, I like the fact that they come in and they open up and we have a conversation and we just be talking. I mean, look, I had a great conversation because like I said, I had no,

I didn't ever think I would even meet any of these people. So for me, I'm like, man, I can't believe you sitting across from me. That's how I look at them. I don't like, okay, let me try to throw a question here and try to get slick with it. I ain't trying to do that, man. You've got to do that. You got to say the things you're saying right now

I'm saying the things I'm saying that you can't say that you might be thinking See, that's what me being your other half is supposed to do. I'm supposed to be able to see things That you can't see and then relate what I see That you should do but you don't want to do it because you keep a certain level of professionalism that's on your face. At all times. Now let me tell you what I'm gonna do. Now you talk about, you understand the prerequisites when it comes to dealing with her.

Yeah. Now, if you want to lead up with one of them Carl Bergens, I've seen your 5200, the speed of the process. No, send me that car, that's what you owe me. Not cause that's gonna be a down payment on the damn bag. Send me that cause that's what the hell you owe me. Chad, y'all hear this bag? This bag is talking about,

oh, if you gonna get a Crock-Burkin, I'll see your 5200 on it. How you gonna send me money? How you gonna talk about you gonna send me something on it? When you owe me that? Hey, hey, hold on. Let me give you a prime example before we move on to the next topic. Before we move on to the next topic, I understand

the professionalism in which you carry yourself, the structure and discipline and everything that you do. That's what I love about you. That's why we work so well, because I'm the complete opposite. So I'm gonna give you a small example. Okay. There was a movie that came out not too long ago When What's the lady's name Jennifer S and Jennifer Anderson was dating Brad Pitt they were together they were together and all of you and Brad Mr. Mr. Smith. Yeah, Brad Pitt went off to do a movie with Angela and Julie. Mr. Mr. Smith. Yes, okay Okay, you see where I'm going with this? So listen, it don't matter what you got going on in life. Sometimes God puts you

in situations in this case, having to be close, she was able to sit down with brother Shannon Sharp and Carisha and the situation to me, it was to me from the outside looking in, regardless of the professionalism that you're trying to instill and carry, because you have to, I saw a situation like that. Speaking of Pittsburgh, Nigel Harris says there is a lack of leadership with the Steelers. We just didn't know anything on offense, really. We didn't have any identity. We had a young guy coming in at QB.

I really didn't have nobody to almost learn from on the offensive side You like that he's saying that old joke I mean at the runner at their at the runner back position and Saying that you don't have anybody to learn you know at that Pacific position I Don't really like that Okay, I personally don't really like that. I personally don't, because there's so many resources

once you're in that atmosphere that you can learn from where it doesn't have to actually be a person right there outside of your headcoats teaching you because there's so much you can learn on your own. They have film, they have volts, they have many goo gods of footage and stuff you can learn. Right. You know?

Yeah. And to say something like that with the tutelage that you're getting at the organization you're at, how could you even say something like that? Look at all the backs that have come through there. Yeah, but they weren't there. The veteran leadership wasn't there when he got there. That's the thing that I'm very appreciative of. I had a guy, even though he was a year older than me,

Steve Atwater, that had to be professional. I had Dennis Smith, who had been there since 1981, who said, this is how you do things, this is how you be professional. You be punctual, you be on time, you practice hard. I saw John, I saw all those guys, the veteran guys, and how they do things. Okay, me, now Ocho, I got the younger guys, the veteran guys, and how they do things. OK, me.

Now, Ocho, I got the younger guys coming in. That's my job for Burns, Foots, Rod Smith, the other guys. TD, Chalk Eye, Howes. Now I go to Baltimore. Now the other younger guys, some of the younger guys, the Rays and things, Todd Heaps. That's what you do. I think that's what he's talking about.

I think, I don't wanna put words in his mouth, guys, but I think that's what he's talking about. Like how to be professional, how to make sure I practice doing everything that I possibly can to make sure that I'm maximizing my time here. And I'm very grateful that I got to Denver. I had guys, look, there are guys that wanted to party.

I know that's not why I was there. Maybe Ocho had I been a first or second round pick, maybe I would have partake. Probably not, because that's never been my MO. But knowing that I'm on thin ice, and I see Adward and I see Dennis Smith and I see those other guys, John, and I see the way they're doing things.

So you know what? Yeah. I got them. I need to be, I need to be in that group. Hmm. Listen, I, I, I, I understand it and I truly don't understand where he's coming from in a sense, because obviously you understand what it took you to get here, right? Listen, hold on. Listen, look, Najay, you've been dreaming about this since you were a little shorty, since you were a little kid. This was a dream of mine. You have finally reached that pinnacle of reaching what you've always dreamed of. Then you, not only that, you're part of the historic franchise, the Pittsburgh Steelers. I'm not getting somewhere and worried about veteran leadership when I understand the work it took me to get here. I'm already aligned

with the end goal. All my goals reset themselves once I make it. I'm not worried about no veteran leadership. I know what I need to do based on the goals that I set for myself personally. It don't matter who's in the room. It don't matter who was there before me. Yeah, this shit I need to get done. And I got the focus and everything I do has to align with my end goal, regardless of whether I have a veteran presence or not. At my Pacific position, I want to be one of the best to play this game ever.

You talk about no better leadership. Look at the players that came before you that played the exact position, the Jerome Bettes, the Willie Parkers. I mean, I'm sure you you that played the exact position, the Jerome Bettises, the Willie Parkers. I mean, I'm sure you're gonna, the James. Yeah, but I need them there though, Ocho. See, you talking about a pro.

A pro is the occupation in which you do it. That's a professional. A pro is how you go about that. You see the difference between college and pros. What do they do? They get your ass up. They make sure you go to study hall. They make sure you do X, get your ass up. They make sure you go to study hall. They make sure you do X, Y, and Z.

They make sure you in the weight room. Who does that when you go to the NFL? You. And I, it helps. It helps when you see somebody that that's a pro because once you get there, we're all professionals, but to be a pro. It's something to be said for me, not just me, to each his own. But there's something to be said for me to have veteran.

I remember Mark Jackson would take me up on his wing and say, hey, I see you ran that route, but I'm not so sure how to run it like that because blah, blah, blah. X, Y, Z. I said, okay, I appreciate that, man. He pulled me to the side. Hey, hey, threaten that guy a little bit more. Hey, you got your head around a little too far. So it's little stuff like that, Ocho. That you, I mean, stuff that you can't see. Yeah. Because you used to get, hey, Ocho, we used to use God-given ability getting open. It take more than

that in the NFL. Yeah. Because all them jokers got God-given. Hey, God touched all them. Yeah, I got you. I understand it and I wish I could told it not day to get get better context and get a little bit more in depth On what he means by it and maybe I'm thinking a little different because of my approach I would know better leadership. I understood. Okay, I finally got here I know my goals are to make sure everything I do are going to align with the angle to make sure I become At some point one of the best ever played Not just for the Bengals, but to play in the history of this game in general I'm gonna leave my imprint whether people like me or not then I think about also hell for the people in the chat

Oh, no better leadership. Where did I stay the first two years in my NFL where I lived at? Yeah, and? I'm locked in. I don't care who's there. I know what I got to do. I know what it takes to make sure I'm able to be consistent. This has a rookie. Yeah.

You know what? I might not have better impressions, but I'm gonna do the things I think I need to do to make sure I give them the best of me. Giving you the best of me You know, it's a part of me. I think I think Nigee doesn't feel like the Steelers really appreciated him Yeah, because a guy that just barely rushing for a thousand yards is not gonna get the appreciation like a Saquon Right like a Derek Henry like these guys rushing for 14, 50 hundred yards.

He's never had less than a thousand yards rushing, Ocho. But he's not spectacular. You don't look at it like, oh my God, you don't think that when he gets the ball, see, at least like Saquon gets the ball, you think, man, he might hit his head on the goalpost or Derrick Henry going to end the game with 150, maybe 200 yards. That's not what you get from him. I thought he was a good back.

I don't think he changes lives. He's not a guy that's going to change your life. For me, now in college, he was sensational. Yeah, he a bail count. Three down, back, I like. Hey, this is Mel Reed, LPGA Tour winner and six time Lady Geo-Beam Tour winner. And Kira Kaye-Dixon, NBC Sports reporter and host.

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I couldn't believe it. I mean, Brendan, it was divine intervention. Listen to Divine Intervention on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh Joe, Jamar was not Jamar Chase signed his deal. T Higgins signed his deal. They had their press conference. Jamar was not happy with the reporter calling T receiver number two. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Where are we able to follow down?

Why are you seeking one? When you see it put out there? That real high-speed wire receiver? She comes out one day. You're saying was for that fixing it one day. Yes, sir. Um, you know, bro, I don't even look at it like that. You know what I mean?

I kind of wish they wouldn't have put it out there like this. So because now it's that's why everybody's in the highest pay too. Well, let's just say I'm at a place where they value me and they respect me and I'm a good player here. So let's just say that. I'm not the highest receiver too or anything like that. You know what I mean? So let's just say he's another great receiver.

English receiver that puts in the work and got his head down and just grinds, so. I mean, I've been saying it for a very long time, man. I've been saying it for a very, very long time. Every time I talk about the Bangles duo, I say it all the time and I've been saying it for a very long time.

You and I even went back and forth about it, you know, continuously on here. I said he's a wide receiver one that just happened to be on the team with another number one There are a few instances a few a few other teams that also benefit from this situation I'm not sure what the reporter is doing and the reporter who understands the game of football and has been able to watch T and Chase together should know that no better that he's a one. If he was to leave there, he would have been paid as a number one because that's exactly what he is. It just so happens he have Tamar Chase on the other side of him. But anyway, well, we look at, we look at, let me ask you a question.

When Pastor Tane lined up, who Pastor Tane going to? But anyway. Well, we look at, we look at, let me ask you a question. Yeah. When Pastor Tane lined up, who Pastor Tane going to? He going to Chase or he going to T Higgins? If he's following, he's going to Chase. Okay. Saul Gardner, Stingley. If he's following and going, he's going to Chase. So why wouldn't they?

I understand what you're saying. That's the thing that Ochoa. There used to be no QB one. It was the starter quarterback. There was no QB. There was no wide receiver one. It was wide receiver. It was Michael Irving, Sterling Chomp, Jared Rice, Randy blah blah blah. Keough. Now they got all these thingsags, wide receiver, one wide. Hold on, hold on, now, hold on, ain't no all now. There are only a few teams like that. The Eagles, that's wide receiver, one A and one B. The Bengals, that's wide receiver, one A and one B.

What they did over there with Cuba Cup and Puganacool, that was wide receiver, one A and one B. Now what they will do is they will take some of your production, your opportunities away from you, and make it look like it's something wrong with you and make it look like wide receiver too when there's really nothing wrong with you if you understand the business and how they work your ass up out of there. But I mean this is why I look at it Ocho.

Talk to me. Why didn't they give, if Jalen Waddle was the equivalent of Tyreek, why didn't they give him the same type of money that he gave Tyreek? If Devontae Smith was the equivalent receiver, so why did they give T Higgins 40 million? But you know, you can't work like that now. He wire receiver one. Wire receiver one get wire receiver one money. Right. Yeah. Listen, we can argue to it. But listen, normally when we talk about wire receiver one and we talk about wire receiver two,

there is an enormous drop off in skill and talent. Enormous. Now you got two receivers that get it done totally, two totally different ways. Are you saying, are you saying, are you saying there's no drop off? Hold on, I want to make sure I'm hearing you. Yeah, there's a drop off.

I said enormous. No, no, no. Extravagant. Extravagant drop off from your one and your two. There's a reason the person is a one and there's a reason the other person is a two. Now you got two. Let me finish. You got two receivers that are really, really good at what they do. High point, short, intermediate, long balls. Now both of them do all of them really well.

That I think one of the few things that Chase might have on Run after the catch. On yeah, is that goddamn run after the catch. My God. That's also because his background, his background in playing running back when he was younger. That's why he looked like that. Every time he get the ball, he like a damn running back.

He bouncing all people Playing ping-pong. I mean listen you touch me. I'm going down You touch me I'm going down I'm making a business decision so I think I think he earned the right. I mean the way he played he had been exemplary Yeah, the whole while there. Uh-huh. They made him play under the tag He played under the tag. He caught Nate, but he still had double-digit touchdown He was gonna be well over a thousand yards. And so they compensated him I love I love when teams reward their players for work put in now

Ocho I've already paid you for what you've done right now for me to give you this money They're not paying they're not paying Chase for the Triple Crown because they paid him that. They're paying him for moving forward. We believe you're gonna put up numbers equivalent to that, if not better. I can't pay, I can't, how do I, I paid you. It wasn't like he didn't get a salary, Ocho,

and now we got the makeup for what we didn't give him He got paid right with that being said I believe chase They believe chase is gonna put up numbers Equivalent to if not better than what he put up last year, so I'm going to pay you accordingly. Yeah. Yeah, and That was good and he's earned it yeah, absolutely he's earned it. Yeah, absolutely. He's earned it. I'm glad he didn't have to go.

I'm glad he didn't have to go to get something. Because so many times we see guys put the work in, put the work in, and then they gotta go somewhere else to get rewarded, to get the appreciation that I should've got from the club that drafted me. You thought enough of drafting me. That's why I tell people a lot of times what I love about Dan Reeves.

He was smart enough to draft me, but somehow forgot to cut me. The Bengals, oh, you really loved him. You did your homework. You took him in the second round. But now he give you all those great years and you want to let him, you gonna let him move on? And you gonna let him, cause. And you gonna let his,

cause he ain't in his prime yet. So now the next four years is really gonna be, you know, his prime, and you gonna let somebody else reap that benefit cause you cheap. So I was glad they finally. You know the funny thing, I think a lot of people haven't talked about,

they really don't know, is a person that's pulling their strings behind closed doors, the person with the power, the person who runs the show and's pulling the strings behind closed doors, the person with the power, the person who runs the show and is making the calls is really nine. Yeah, for sure. You know, a lot of people ain't talking about that.

We talk about T going here, no matter what I said, no matter what people on ESP, and no matter what people have said on X or Twitter for that matter. The person behind the closed doors who went up to management and probably said, listen, I don't know what you need to do, what you need to do with the numbers on my contract

or what you need to restructure. But Uno and Five, I need that back. Come hell or high water. If you understand Joe Verro and how he conducts his business and the way he goes about it, maybe that man Young Bull ain't playing. Not by them two. You know what I love, Ocho? The fact that he was outspoken about it.

A lot of quarterbacks like, yeah, we'd love to have him back, but that's not my call. Right. He said, no, we need him back. Oh, his definitely your call. He's like, they've earned the right. And he said the same thing about Trey Hendrickson. It seems like they're a little bit more open

to trading Trey than potentially bringing him back, but that's something we'll discuss at a later date and time. But he came on first take and he was very, hey, I want them to pay Chase. Chase has earned that. I want them to pay T. He's a valuable piece to what we do. And I want him back. None of that. Hey, yeah, we'd love to have him back, but, you know, I don't make that decision.

I'm just a quarterback. No, no. So I love that part about him. Oh, Joe, a key factor in the Jamar Chase T. Higgins negotiation with Joe Burrow's influence. Beyond the public comments, Burrow applied private pressure, making it clear deals must get done for both, if since it failed, it could have gotten very, very interesting.

Yeah, listen, listen, I'm glad that we just brought that up and I just said it ahead of time. Obviously I wouldn't have said it when all this stuff was going on, but if you understand, I've watched Joe now for a few years, I've seen him up in person, I've heard the stories about the way he conducts himself and goes on about his business and his approach to

the game and how serious he takes it and know that it can teach in order to continue playing at an elite level we have to have elite talent around you and he understand that especially offensively in order to keep that going and continue to give us a chance offensively to get where we want to go we already know what the end goal is every time you compete and you play on a Sunday and know to get there, especially San Francisco. I need my I need my two. I need my uno. I need my five.

And I don't know what we need to do. I don't know what we need to do upstairs, but we need to make it happen. Yeah, I think so. I think sometimes that quarterback's be like, I got my money the hell with the rest of this stuff. I ain't got nothing to do with me. And they take, that's a cop out, though, Joe. It's a cop out to say,

well, I don't get to make that decision. Yeah, I've heard that before. And you hear that a lot. I mean, Joe making 55 million, like, y'all fear for yourself. But he knows a part of him getting that 55 million was one in five. It is is you said it right there now you can you come in there playing around and bring somebody else in that can't do a

one in five. He don't understand. You gonna be upset. I mean he's been throwing be mad. I mean he's pretty much been throwing a chase for what five years had him in college a year missed him and then picked him right back up. So with that being said, I'm glad these guys got it done. Congratulations guys. Well deserved. What's up y'all? I'm AJ Andrews, pro softball player, sports analyst, and the first woman to win a Rawlings Gold Glove. On my new podcast, Dropping Diamonds, we dive headfirst into the world of softball by sharing powerful stories, insights, and conversations that inspire and empower.

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