Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur Sounds Off on Haters + Travis Hunter Get Married

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react Cleveland Browns QB Shedeur Sanders discussing social media scrutiny, Jacksonville Jaguars rookie Travis Hunter getting married, the insane prices barbers are charging for haircuts, and much more!01:47 - Jermaine O'Neal on NIL10:33 - A.J. Brown’s mindset26:00 - Sheduer talks haters45:50 - Travis Hunter get married1:00:30 - Q & Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The volume. Jill, we're going to get you out of here on this. You're the head coach of Dynamic Prep High School in Irving, Texas. Max Prep announced that Dynamic Prep finished number one in the final top 10 high school basketball ranking. J.O., when you were playing, did you always knew you wanted to be a head coach? And what's that journey been like for you? Listen, bro, I had no idea that I was a head coach to be honest. But this has been one of those things where to be completely honest with you, man, I was

kind of dealing with some stuff. I was dealing with my own personal issues when it came to, you know, I had an abandonment issue growing up. I met my dad when I was 30 years old. He died 13 months later. issues when it came to, you know, I had a little abandonment issue, you know, growing up, you know, I met my dad when I was 30 years old. He died 13 months later. I was 13 years into the NBA when that happened. So I've always struggled a little bit with this thing. And then obviously after the deal happened in Detroit, I started, you know, I didn't

love playing as much anymore. Okay. Because of every day. And so when I was done, I wanted to just go and be with kids, just give back what was given to me. I was fortunate enough when I was a young boy at Xavier McDan, you start a little team in Columbia, South Carolina, Tyrone gave back, Alex English had some camps I used to go to. So I just wanted to give back to kids, man.

And I just really put my head down and just started investing into the community that way. And it's been, we've had an amazing run with the Drive Nation, the club. We've had a bunch of lottery picks and first round picks and even second round picks over the last eight years. And I feel like I needed to start a school, which is more of an impact because you get them five days a week versus two or three days a week when it comes to club.

So, you know, I'm energized about it. Honestly, I don't know how long I'm a coach. I'm a coach again, but I do believe that, you know, you have to give back if you have knowledge and ability to give back to your community, man, you got to give you take those tools and give back to these young kids and not only these kids, but most importantly, these parents that don't quite understand what it is, you know, when it comes down to the business of being a pro and the pro shit that you gotta do every day

to become a pro and not skip steps. And so that's the reason why, you know, I do what I do. And that's why I started Dynamic Prep. Was, you just gotta be honest with him. Your son not gonna be LeBron James. He not gonna be Steph. He not gonna be Michael Jordan Jordan because you know, every, everybody, every, every parent think they kid is that kid.

But you know, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you the truth. Okay. But the first time ever I am more parents talk about NIL than they talk about the pros. Oh yeah. Really? Crazy. Yeah. Maybe where about on money? NIL then they talk about the pros. Oh, yeah. Really crazy. Yeah, they were about money You got that are looking to retire

off their kids going to college and So when you look at the product right yeah the product now and you know, we talked about the pros The deterioration of it is happening at the youth level the deterioration of it is happening at the youth level. And so now you got everybody in place running to go grab kids and I got this, I can get you a deal. And so the parents are so, their mind is so frazzled that it can't think appropriately. So they're making decisions based off the economics

of what they're hearing, not knowing that that true money percent is really 2% anyway getting the money. Everybody ain't getting all that. Right. Yes. And so that's the thing where we try to bring some real positive information and tools and attach your day to day with what you say you're trying to get to.

And so for us, our job is to continue investing into the community and to show people, hey, look, man, this is about the work. If you do, think about it, Ochoa, when you guys coming through, you wasn't worried about when you're going to be chosen, right? Because you was good. Yeah. I was already chosen.

Right. That's what I'm saying. So you weren't worried about the reps and the work that we got to put in. I had absolutely making no all-star game and getting picked for this or getting picked for that. So that was coming no matter what. I just got to figure out can my schedule handle it. Right. Right. But right now people are willing to stop working to try to talk about or try to get something. They ain't investing no no no no sweat equity into from the start. And so that's what's problematic about everything. And that's why you see in the transition happened so hard, or was becoming so hard. And that's why college now,

coaches are saying we only trust 25 year olds. Yeah. You don't trust high school kids no more. 25 year olds, they actually in trouble by now. Yeah. And they've been and started asking that. I mean, you know, people are asking, I remember hearing the question, whether Blake Griffin was so good, why did he go back for a sophomore seat?

What? I mean, you know, if a guy is good, ultra is like a basketball. If a guy don't come out after his freshman year, well, man, he must not be that good. I mean, you're never gonna see another Tim Duncan. You're not gonna see a four year superstar like that. You're not, it's not gonna happen.

Man, it's not. Them parents mad, because they gotta even send their kids to school. Right, they wanna skip that damn level two to go get some money. Damn! It's crazy, bro. And it was crazy, I was just down at the live period down in Memphis

two weeks ago and I'm talking to the coach. I'm in the gym talking to the coaches for the club side and they said, man, we just hit check-in boxes. So we really getting, we really recruiting out of the portal. And that's staggering to me because again, as a parent, my kids going to SMU next year to play in the ACC. But as a parent, when I'm looking at this and I'm trying to, you know, I'm,

I'm still have to account for the other parents I have. Right. I'm a little bit like, damn, like really? So these kids, you got some kids out here that's actually really doing it the right way. And he may get skipped over because the coaches are now checked out because now the kids, they so they too afraid to recruit a high school kid because they think the high school kid going to think the high school kid gonna get him fired. Wow.

It's a money game now. So if you get three, four, half a million, if he don't come there and get busy, these coaches gone. Okay. And plus the thing is, J.O., is that you can't coach kids like you. You get on a kid, now he getting into that portal.

Ain't no correction, you just gotta let, sometimes it's just like you gotta let the kid run amok. Like bro, I'm just trying, I'm trying, yeah, I'm gonna coach you hard, cause I, you said, you said you wanna go to that next level? Yeah. Okay. This is what it's gonna take for you to get there. Yep, no, 100%.

And I'm a, and I'm a shout out of my school. That's the reason why we, in this year three we win it Right. We we get ranked the best prep school because I'm not about to let no parent Come to my program telling me what to do with the kids because we talk about Be able to take your kids. Okay. Hey, I want to go to college. I want to be the best to go to college I want to go to the pros. I know that shit. Right. Right. So which one of y'all played college ball? Which one of y'all played the NBA or the WNBA?

Okay, get back over there. Let me do this. But you know what I call it though? I said, look, I say this to parents all the time. I said, would you let a career, and I ain't got no problems with lawn care people, right? Would you let a career lawn care guy do your account? Nah. I said, why would you mess around with your kid

unless somebody else that has no history, you ain't gotta be a pro, it has no history on doing the things or very things that your kids say he inspired to do. And we see that too many times, man. And then, obviously we gotta be a little bit better in our community and how we work together as well too when it comes to these kids.

Yep. Gerald, thank you for joining us. You got anything you wanna promote? Where can they find you? IG, Twitter, Facebook, anything you wanna get? Yeah, just, yeah, IG, man. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you, man, I'm gonna start doing a little bit more.

I'd like to come back on some time soon, man. Absolutely! Love to be on. You know, I was a little bit, again, I told you about my dad's situation, so I never wanted to miss a moment with my daughter at Texas, I didn't want to miss a moment with my son now. I'm an empty nester, so I'm about to start hitting

these rounds on, you know, I'm doing stuff like this with you guys and the TVs. Love it. Oh, absolutely. Your daughter's a volleyball player, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

That's my mini- Congratulations on Batman Jail. Thanks for joining us. Jermaine O'Neal, six time All-Star, three time All-NBA selection from Eau Claire High School in Columbia, South Carolina. J.O., thank you for joining us, man. Come back and join us soon.

All right, Jake. Hold your, I'm gonna hit you, man. I'm coming down to Miami, bruh. Come on, man. Come on down here, man. We can play one-on-one. All right, we can do that. I'm with it. Appreciate y'all, man.

All right, appreciate it, Jail. Oh, Joe, during OTAs this week, A.J. Brown admitted surprise at his current mindset. Coming into the league, we're playing for this reason. We're playing for the trophy. And once we got the trophy, it was just like, I thought everything would be fulfilled. Like the hard work and everything.

But no, it's a journey. It's the journey that matters the most, that means the most. Because those are the moments you look back with your teammates, those that are spending time with, you're going to war with, you're suffering together, you're winning together. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, once you, look, I wanted to be a Pro Bowl player. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, once you look, I wanted to be a pro bowl player. Yeah. I wanted to be an all pro player and I wanted to win a championship. I didn't think about no Hall of Fame. I didn't even realize the Hall of Fame until Mark Kismer told me in 96, like, man, he's like, bro, you could put together a couple more years. You can go to the Hall of Fame. Right.

I was like, what? I like, they take several rounds in the Hall of Fame. He's like, it don't matter how you get drafted and it go by production. I was like, okay. That was the first time that I had really even gave a thought. Now, mind you, Ocho, in 91, we played the Hall of Fame game. I went to that very building that my bus resides in.

That's dope. Not even thinking. They didn't ever even, bro, I'm from Glenville. I'm from Savannah State. Hall of Fame? Yeah. And Joe Green in the Hall of Fame. Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, the greats are the greats in the Hall of Fame.

Legends. Yes. But you realize, and it's not good enough to make one Pro Bowl because hell anybody could do it once. Yeah. Can you go back when they know you the guy? When they game plan for your ass? Over and over. Can you get, can you become an All-Pro again when they game planning for you? Yeah.

When you walk to the middle of the field, man, hell of a game, Sean. Man, Ochoa, man, you gave us that work today, Ocho A. Don't worry about it. We see your ass again. Yeah, that's what I want. I want, when y'all go to meetings on Wednesday, I want y'all to circle to A. That tight end of 84. We got to deal with him.

And I totally agree with AJ because there's nothing like that's what you. Ocho, I never missed the game. I missed the bus rides, the plane rides, the bull jiving in the locker room, in the training room joking, in the meeting room cracking jokes. That's what you, cause that's what you're never gonna be able to replace.

Ever. You never, you never, and you look, you're not besties with everybody, but you're not gonna be around 10, 11 guys that y'all laughing and joking about. You're never gonna be like that again. It's never gonna be like that again, don't you?

Nah, it's not. And listen, and just, what you just talked about, about A.J. Brown, I've become a little bit more fond of young Bull Man as of late. Here's some of the things he's talked about. I'm not gonna get into detail on it, but his perspective on life and other topics that I've seen him speak on.

And, um, he's becoming a huge, a huge favorite of mine, not even the receiver, AJ Brown, I'll talk about the human being, the person, the husband, the, the, the person he is and values and morals in which he stands and said, I never knew that about him. I never knew it about him because I've never had the opportunity to interact with him outside of the game of football. But hearing him and where he stands, you know, and his beliefs,

though, very, very, very admirable from the outside looking in on what I thought the individual was like, you know, based on what I thought the individual was like, you know, based on what I see on the field, but then who he truly is off the field. Dude, I love dude, man. I love, he real sharp. Oh, he sharp. Yeah.

He got a sharp mind, man. So it was a joy to see him in a different light than what I expected based on the football player that I got to watch on Sundays. I remember we won the Super Bowl and obviously man it nothing like it like I said we broke the NFC. The NFC had run 14 straight Super Bowls Ocho. And to win it and to hold that trophy, to actually, to actually be on the field, to have the confetti come down in your colors and you got the trophy. Now think about how many times I've seen the Superbowl winning team go on the

field and get that trophy and everybody's looking at it. Now I finally have it. Yeah. A small kid from Glenville, Georgia, went to Savannah state and seventh round draft pick and I'm the starting tidy and they announced my name and everything. And everybody in Glenville said, you know what? I know somebody that actually played in the Superbowl. As a matter of fact, I probably went to school with him, his brother or his sister.

That was me. And winning that trophy there was, that was, that was like, that was, that was. At that point in time, probably the crowning achievement of my career. And I remember going into the offseason and I'm like, because back then, you know, 16 games, Ocho. And then, you know, we had to still had the two weeks. And so we started playing. I mean, we first week. So I think the, I think the SUBO was damn near like the end of January. It wasn't, it didn't bleed into February. And I just remember like the offseason, Ocho. I was like, man. So I took, I took about an extra week off and got back into it. And I remember when we came back

to OTAs and Mike got up in there and was like, Hey, congratulations guys. I'm proud of this. I'm proud of you guys. He said, if you want to be special, you got to do it again. Yeah. There are a lot of teams that's one, one in a row. He said, if you want to go, you want to be special, you want to be remembered, we got to go back to back. And that was the mindset that we adopted. And I remember once to see we came out, I mean, we had a, we had a great, you know,

as a matter of fact, uh, we had a great, you know, as a matter of fact, we had a great training camp, everything was great, we had fun, and Mike would put, like most teams have their schedule up, they're all 16 games. We put one game at a time. He said, this is a 16 round fight, we're going one round at a time. Right. Ring. Boom. Knock the Patriots out. And so we just going down, just checking it out, just checking them off, checking them off, Ocho, checking them off. Uh, 13 weeks. Cause think about it.

We won our last, last game. No, yeah. What our last two games. 97. Yeah. What our last two games in 97. No, last game in 97 Beat the Chargers then we go through the playoffs win the football then we come out so we win like 18 straight games

Oh Joe feeling good. Yeah get to the playoffs But I agree with everything he said it there's something about that moment and when I get on the phone and I talked to burns Oh me and Ross Smith calling Foots, Fee, some of them guys, and man, we just, hey, man, you remember such a show? We were at the back of the plane, Joni. I mean, very few times, Ocho, do we ever talk about the Super Bowl game itself. We're talking about going to the game. We're talking about on the plane ride back, on the bus ride back.

Very seldom do we mention anything about the Super Bowl itself. We always talk about the plane ride or man, you remember we got aid, man, we got snowed in and we had to go get people on snowmobiles to go to Buffalo. We get to Buffalo like one 32 o'clock in the morning and we got a one o'clock game. Yeah, man. I bet that was so much fun. Ain't nothing like that. Ain't nothing like that. And then when you're one o'clock game. Yeah, man. I bet that was so much fun. Ain't nothing like that.

Ain't nothing like that. And then when you're in it, Ocho, you don't get to enjoy it. You don't. You don't. Cause you're in it and you feel if you enjoy it, it's going to take you out of that mindset of what you need to do to make sure you try to stay in it. So, uh, man, ain't nothing like that. Hey, AJ Brown said he's also upset about the current haircut price in the country.

Haircut prices are crazy nowadays. I used to pay $20 for a cut. AJ, ain't no more $20 cut, cool. By we, I used to pay five. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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In college, that's all you're giving your teammate. Man, I wish I would have played a guy $5 to cut my hair. Boy, you better, fuck you. Boy wish I would play a guy five dollars a cup my hair What times are different boy, yeah Time to do it. Oh, oh, Joe. Look I got a problem, you know, hey good $60 for a cut I'm gonna go ahead and tip you for me. Oh Joe Do be Debbie won't 200 300 to cut me. Oh man. Listen, uh, it's time Listen, it's all $15 for a part! Boy, you know, hey, hold on, you talk about a haircut,

$200, boy, two steaks at the grocery store? Boy, $43! Yeah, well you ain't gon', well guess what? How much are they in the restaurant? Oh. $70. So at least you got two. Hey, they got to make their money up some kind of way. They ain't got no choice. Mark it up.

Look, a lot of times what happens, Ocho, is that if a athlete, if barbers cut athletes, celebrities, and entertainers, they want to live that lifestyle. But bro, you need to play a sport. You need to act, play an instrument, or dance, sing, or something. Because you not fitting to come up on me. Hey, I grow dreads first. I grow dread, I get twists, and I'm not paying no $3,000 off for no cut. I don't care if I got 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 million. I'm not paying no $3,000 off for no cut, don't you? I'm not. That's a lot.

That is- But just a cut? Listen, that's a lot. Now, what we can say is about our friend not too long ago who's down here in Miami, now that kind of service. Yes. I forgot his Instagram name, but for that kind of service, now $300, now we talking.

We can talk. Oh yeah, okay. And you gonna cut it, you gonna dye it, you gonna give me a. We can talk. Oh, yeah. Okay And you won't cut it you won't die it. You don't give me a facial face you and all yeah I got you now that I understand now. I'm not gonna get that every time Right time, but every so often, you know, you got your nice little date night with your girl You want you want to get yeah. Yeah, boom. There you go. Now you good Please but you think I'm like, you gonna be on my head for, uh, cutting my hair for 30 minutes,

and I'm gonna go give you 300? And then you wouldn't expect a tip! Tip who? Tip what? I got a tip. Don't eat eggs out of the ride the bus. That would be a terrible experience for everybody. Man, I ain't got nothing for you with your dude. Uh-uh. But, uh, nah, I'm trying to think.

Hey, AJ, yeah, well I'm saying I think I'm trying to think when I played how much without playing for cut Yeah, I'll play about 20 $30. Yeah. Yeah, I Played the dude come right here. Now you do a good job. I give him a give him a good Hey, I think you like 45 50. I get here. I give him a hunt. Hey, him a good, hey, I think he's like 45, 50, I give him a hundred. Damn, big money, okay. Yeah. Big money. But he did do a good job of getting me in,

cause like, when I was in Atlanta, I like all my, I don't like to do, I don't do no walk-ins, I like a standing appointment. So for my nails, my facials, my haircut, my massage, I would pay for the whole year. God damn! Pay the whole year. Because guess what, Ocho? When I say, hey, I want my time, they're more apt to move somebody to get me in as opposed to them moving me to get somebody else in. You didn't already pay everything up.

Yeah, I done paid. I done got back. Hey, why you, hey, whoop. Yeah, whoop. I always did that. Hey, you complaining about me owing you $5,200 and you paying for nails, manicures, and haircuts a whole year. They providing the service.

What you doing, you taking money out of my pocket. God. I can't pay them. I told the barber I would pay you money, but an Ocho owe me $5,900 and I can't pay you. I ain't never heard said, I told the barber, I would pay you money, but the Ocho owe me 5900 and I can't pay you. I ain't never heard nobody do that. Well, you boy, you different.

Hey, Ocho, check this out. I remember I paid, I had ran out, cause I get like, so I got this package and the lady runs a special on facials. If you go ahead and pay you by 12, cause I get them once? She'll give you 15. I bought the package, got the job at Fox.

I still got some of the books. I have some of the books. I ain't got them no more. But yeah, but I like that. I like a static appointment. They know I'm coming at this time. Hey, when I get my massage? Monday, I should get massages Monday. No, Wednesday and Friday.

That's when my massage. Haircut was Thursday. Nails, Thursday. I like that. I like knowing. I like that. I like knowing. I like structure. I like a schedule. I like being on a schedule.

I think everybody knows that. And I'm gonna be, hey, I'm gonna be, hey, and I'm gonna be ticked if I come in there and I gotta wait longer than five minutes. Because you know I'm coming. I've already paid you for this time. So don't, hey, don't be trying to get, hey, I can squeeze you in, come at 2.45

when you know my appointment's at 3. Because I'm going to feel some type of way. I'm going to be sitting. Ha ha. So just so everybody know. Shadour discussed the hate he receives online while saying he's planning to be visible in the Cleveland community.

99% of the hatred directed at me is towards my pops, and then I'm just his son. But the kids didn't grow up in an era where they watched him play. It's just the older generation that does it to me rather than younger people because when I come to a person there's no negativity I see, but it's all over online. That's why I say I like going to school. I like going to schools in person and actually meeting the kids and any questions they have, I say, just ask me whatever the question you want. Pick any question, no filter, no anything.

That's what they say. And I just, and then I just answer whatever they need me to answer. What'd you think Ocho? Any truth to what he's saying? Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Listen, these young folks really don't have a problem with it. They enjoy them. But it's the older kids, not older kids, the older folks in general. Right. That's when all the hate. And yes, some of the hate does come from his father, but also some of the hate is going to come from him and what he's been able to accomplish so far. What people mistake for arrogance or cockiness, which is merely confidence,

which is all he's showing, some people don't like that. Some people want you to be humble. They want you to dim your light because it makes them uncomfortable. Yeah. My light, is it hurting your eyes? My light shining bright? It might do, but I'm not dimming it. Obviously, he's a quarterback. The quarterback position is supposed to carry themselves a certain way.

It's a way in which he doesn't carry himself and he hasn't been given any grace as opposed to other quarterbacks that were. Jess is boisterous, you know, they don't know what the money. They love that. They love that, didn't they? Listen, listen, it's different.

It's a double standard, but it is what it is. So you understand that. I hope he doesn't change anything. I hope he doesn't change anything. Just put his head down, do the works you need to do, and handle your business, and change the quarterback position, which hasn't been good for the Browns consistently

in a very, very long time since number 19. Since Bernie Cozart in the 80s. Yeah. And before that you got to go back to Otto Graham. So they really only had two good quarterbacks. I'm wishing him well, man. Coach O, you're not gonna be able to win with people because if I dress nice, oh, he trying to show off. If I dress nice,

Oh, he trying to show off. If I dress down, he broke. Yeah. You see your children ain't no in between. No, and then no in between because it's your, you, you projecting, you projecting, right? Uh, the man's confidence. The man believes in himself. Every, everybody that's ever accomplished anything has believed in themselves. Sometimes you're the only, if I don't believe in me, who else gonna believe in me?

Exactly. When people told me, Shannon, you ain't gonna do nothing. I believe the one person that told me I would, me. Because I was the one that was gonna be lifting that weight. I was gonna be the one that was running. I was gonna be the one that stayed in and didn't go out and party. That was going to be me. Now, if it didn't happen, Ocho, I wasn't gonna be able to blame anybody.

Because I knew what I wanted to become. I knew what I wanted to accomplish. But no matter what you do, if I say y'all go out there and do... I'm bragging. Then I don't show up and play well. Ah, he sorry, he terrible. Now I told you what I was gonna do. I'm bragging.

I don't do anything I'm not any good. I dress well. Ah, he trying to show off. I got hold of my... Ah, he broke. Hey, listen. So how do I win? By not having Karen? I eat at a nice restaurant

Man, I wish I would pay a hundred off for a steak man them drinks cost $30 They see me that a fast food chain man. He got He hey, he can't eat he would have a food chain cuz he can't eat it that hundred off You see what I said? Oh Joe. Yeah, so at some point in time You just got to be secure in who you are and do what. And do what you want to do, no matter what. And do what you want to do. Can't please everybody. Right. And that's the hardest part.

Right. Is that because before, Ocho, you didn't have, we didn't have social media. So people couldn't jump in your comments. People didn't have a way of saying anything. I mean, the national media, they might, you know, you had a bad game, they would tear you up. But now, I mean, everybody jump on your timeline. Everybody got something to say.

Everybody. You have to be in an era where everybody is very sensitive. Individuals that are in the limelight, whether it be sports, if- Entertainment. Entertainment. You have to be mentally strong. You do.

You just have to be. And if you're not mentally strong, you don't need to be in certain businesses in general because, oh, they coming for you. Yeah. Because look, everybody's not happy for your success. And sometimes they want to see you successful until you become successful. Mm. And then, you know, I told you, Andrew Shoals told me a great quote.

He said, the easier it is to make money doing something, the more resentful and envious people become of you. Mm-hmm. Because everybody feels like they got a voice and they can talk. Yeah. So if you make an X amount of money, hell, I can do that. Why he feel like they got a voice and they can talk. So if you make an X amount of money, hell I can do that. Why he get to do it and I can't.

You see everybody realize, man I ain't fit to be 6'9". I'm not gonna be able to run no 4'3", I'm not gonna be able to hit the curve ball, the slider or the change up. But talking on Joe, you mean to tell him I got a camera and a microphone and he can make that, he making that kind of money

and making that kind of money? Yeah. So the easier it is to do something, the more resemble and envious people will become of you. And it and I'm not look like I said I wasn't used to this. So I wasn't I wasn't used like I'm expecting Kansas City to dislike me. I expect the Raider fans to dislike me. I'm on the Broncos. We beat the hell out your team. You should dislike me. Right. But when I got into this, and I didn't know I had this, like, even at Undisputed, because, you know, I was everybody's favorite uncle,

you know what I'm saying, Ocho? I was talking about George Floyd. I was talking about Walter Scott. I was talking about Eric Garner. I was talking about Sandra. I was doing all that stuff, won't you? We talked about Colin Kaepernick, Skip and I. We talked about what everybody else had abandoned it and would nobody touch it. We touched it.

And I'm talking about with both feet. So I'm like, I'm on my own now, because everybody kept telling me, man, you need to be on your own. You don't need to be taking this, yada, yada, yada. I said, okay. Man, he a sellout. He gossiping, he's zesty.

I was like, well, damn. But they gonna come now. But you know what? And, you know, like Shannon, that comes along with it. I was like, really? That come along with it? I've like, really? That comes along with it? I've always felt I wanted the fortune, damn the fame. You know, you hear a lot of people say,

oh, your fame and fortune. Nah, I could've did, I could've did, I could've, I could've picked the fortune. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's nice, the fortune is very nice. I hear a lot of people tweet that out. I want the money, not the fame. Well, it's really to be, the fortune is very nice. I hear a lot of people tweet that out. I want the money, not the fame. Well, it's really hard to have one without the other.

It is. It's very hard to have one without the other. There's no give and take. Well, it all depends on how you accumulated it. See, if you've accumulated it in sports, if you accumulated it in entertainment, it's hard. A lot of these billionaires, they walk by you, you wouldn't even know who they were.

No, you wouldn't, you wouldn't. You definitely wouldn't. You would have no earthly idea that such and such is worth a billion, two billion, 800 million, because they didn't make it in a way that you saw them make it. See, if a guy playing sports, you know, LeBron James has made

800 million and well, 500 million in NBA salary. Tom Brady made 300 plus million dollars in NFL salary. So you can see that. But a guy that invested in Google that you didn't see, a guy that brought Netflix on the video, you didn't see. Somebody had Brookshire Hathaway, you didn't see. So, and they sit no tons or they got this invested in a startup Uber. And now they 10 X 15 X 30 X their money. Sit no horns of cash.

Oh Joe. Walk right by you. You never know. Never, never know. I think his dad has prepared him for this. I think he's prepared him extremely well. Absolutely. You know, time got it. You know, he's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid.

He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid.

He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. He's a good kid. Shadour being in the situation that he's in and being who he is, I think his dad has prepared him for this. I think he's prepared him extremely well.

Absolutely. You know, time got it. You know, people say time was selfish, going back and forth playing football and basketball. Well, I don't heat the boat. Bro, I mean, think about it. If you could make 20 million doing one job and you could make another 20 million doing another job,

you're like, nah, I don't want that 20 million over there. You know, it wasn't like he was doing it on the free day. They were paired in the play baseball. He's getting two checks. And he was good. Damn good. I mean, you, but, uh, if tough, I mean, some people are, some people are delighting that he got, he went into the fifth round, but I, you know, Ochoa, anywhere you go is what you do once you get there.

That's it. That's my, that's my favorite line. Cause at the end of the day, you're going to have the show one way or another. You first, K.L. Ward with the first pick, he's going to have the show what he can do in Tennessee. All the, everybody, you're going to get hell with the show to pass him cleat. Okay. You know, in, in.

Go prove you are what you say you are. And he flying under the radar right now too, now. Mm-hmm. Because of all the attention that- Yes. And he flying under the radar. I'm wishing him well too. Yeah.

I mean, I know you from Miami, but everybody wouldn't happen when they hold you with the Cincinnati. No, probably not. No, hell nah. No, you, I didn't care either. Because one thing- That was, that's my not. No, hell nah. No, I didn't care either. Because one thing- That was- That's my dream, it ain't yours. Hey, I don't know what your dream- I ain't living your dream, I'm living mine. Hey, it ain't

matter who cares or who cares, nah. Nothing. I knew what was gonna happen when I got there, I can tell I'll tell you that. I ain't work this hard to have a cup of coffee. Oh, yeah, you know, I tried out for the Broncos. Oh, no It wasn't gonna be no try out. Try out. I don't know nothing about that, don't you? Ain't had no choice but to make it. That's it. That's it. Yeah, I know. The work to put all those years, think about how long you been playing.

I think I started playing tackle football at nine. Yeah, I started at four, Liberty City Optimist. I mean, Miami Lakes Optimist, I never forget. Yeah, I started playing football at nine years of age. So nine, got drafted at 21, turned 22, like two months later. So 13 years. That wasn't, I mean, not making it was no option for me. I knew they had something I could do.

Mm-hmm. And now... I have a 13-year special team career, but I'll go play in the NFL. Some. Don't give me no chance. Give me a chance if you want to to get out there. Mm-hmm. You're getting the job back. I'm thinking about that, man. That's so long ago.

Yeah. 1998. Miami Lakes Optimus. I remember my coach, too. Miami Lakes Optimus Pythons. Off 67th Avenue. Boy, you wasn't no damn four years old in 1998. What the hell you talking about? No, I'm thinking about my first coach. I'm telling you what I can remember and recollect. You said 1998? Yes, I started at four, but I don't remember my coaches when I started at...

Oh, I remember my coach. Dale Dutton. Yeah. Was my first coach. His mom was a substitute teacher. And that day at P.E. smoked all the kids. Tell me about you, you want to play football for my son? You want to play football, son?

Yeah. I like you better, you talking to my son. You want to play football, son? Yeah. I like, you better, you better, you talking to my grandma. You married, boy, ain't you? Yes, ma'am. Buzz dropped me off the later, let them run me over pulling the yardle. Yeah. Yeah.

Hell nah. Listen, I got on the bus, I that, but damn. You know you could have called. Damn, man, that's, that's gave him some good memories, man. Damn. Doris Emerson was rested, so he was my second coach. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

Cause you know, you, you, you, you, you picked, everybody got to pick three, you get to pick three players. Cause that's how you do it, Ocho. See, like I came, I came late. They had already started my first get to pick three players. Cause that's how you do it, don't you? See, like I came late, they had already started my first coach, they had already got the team I already picked. But I was gonna play on her team,

and I was like, I gotta play on his team, cause he gonna take me home. Right. Right. Yo, hey, if you weren't bringing Shanna Sharp home, I couldn't play. Right. Cause, and we didn't have a one car, and my sister was going to be coming to pick me

up from practice. So Mary said, Francis, you going to fetch that boy home? Yeah, Mary, I'll bring him home. Okay. So she brought me home. Next year, Doris Albuquerque in the first round brought me home. Next year, Doris Albuquerque in the first round. Brought me home. And then, what's the guy, Billy Shoemaker?

Wow, man, I can't think of the guy's name. Oh, damn. Might have been, was it Dale Kicklider? Dale Kicklider might have been my coach. I gotta ask Libby tomorrow. But I got that ride home though. Yeah. Oh yeah.

And when I played, when I got to high school, Locho, I know it was a, they wasn't supposed to do it, but you had to, because my aunt, my sister would drop my aunt off to all the football games, basketball games to track me. Shit, you had to, ooh, sorry, Shit, you had to take my aunt home. Right. Yeah, my aunt ride home.

It'd be all the guys in my aunt. Hey, hey, coach, you know my aunt. Oh yeah, she can come on. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream

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most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's dope, man. Yeah, man. She went to every, my aunt Jane, call her top, she she would the air she my aunt Jane call it top She went to every football every one of my football games in high school every one of my home basketball games. She was there Every one of my track meets she was there every last one of them

Damn, I come out a I get dressed Top you ready to go? Yeah She get get, hey, she get in the van, she get on the bus with us. Every one of them. And with him some days. As a matter of fact, my track coach and my high school football coach, Coach Hall, actually he go into the Hall of Fame, my brother,

he coached my, obviously he coached my mom. My mom graduated in 60. I graduated 86, so 26 years, he coached 50 years. Right. Yep, he told the doctor, Coach Hall probably be about, I don't know Coach Hall, mom 81, so Coach Hall should be about 87. He told the doctor, he say, Coach, how you doing?

He say, I'm doing good. He say, I got one more guy, I got one more boy to get into the hall of fame. And then, doc, I'm good after that. I don't care nothing about it after that. Yeah. Yeah, man, that joker. He called my sister.

He get in, coach, I don't know. Okay, when you find out, let me know. So he got in, she drove up there and she told him, coach, all the,, what I showed good. So we just, we just booked him his wife reservation. Uh, I think the other day, I think Shelly took care of it the other day. That's what, that's what makes it special, Ocho. When you have a coach that's been a part of this, he coached my mom, he

coached my uncles, my driver's ed, my, you know, all my aunts, my sister, me, my brother. And then it was a part of it. Because he lived in Savannah. The home games, I look, I see him on the side. I see him standing over the side. Had a white guy named Billy Strickland. Mm-hmm. Ocho, only white guy there. Only, come from Glenville, only white guy.

At the hall, he was at the hall. That man was so proud, Ocho. He said, it's the proudest day of my life. That had to be, he was, he was a pharmacist. So my grandma would send my sister up there to get medicine, not have no money. He said, don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Billy Strickland at the game, standing on the side. I would see him because he ain't obviously he ain't coach all knew each other, they'd be standing there. That's what, that's, that's what makes it fun. Coach all drive. He drove to DC, drive to Tennessee, drive to Jacksonville. If I'm close Atlanta you drive

He coming. Yeah, if it's anything if it's anything under 12 hours coach all gonna drive. He coming We play in Carolina in a preseason game coach all there. Mm-hmm. That's coach all there Yeah, man You know when they first, they played at Clemson and then they got the own stadium coach all coming. And, uh, man, it's so great. It's a, it's an unbelievable feeling that he gets to experience it. It ain't a whole lot. It ain't a whole lot of guys coach to coach two guys that go to the pro football.

Uh, and he got, he's in the coach. He's in the hall. He's in the, in the Georgia coaches hall of fame. Man, he was so proud that he told us me and my brother went up there and went up there for that. Man, that's what it's all about. Oh Joe, Travis Hunter, Travis Hunter had a busy month.

First, he was selected number two overall by the Jacksonville Jags in the NFL draft. Then he graduated Colorado May 15th and on Saturday, he got married to his long, long time girlfriend, Leanna Lene. He gave her a gift, a ceremony worth at least, at least 600K. It's a Mercedes Benz AMG 63 Brabus A Hyundai. Yeah. It's a nice, they nice, but your boy ain't gotbus, a Hyundai. Yeah. If they nice. Yeah.

They nice, but your boy ain't got that kind of bread. Yeah. Bread. It'd be boy got deck out of bread. No. And if they had it, he ain't buying one of them. Oh, once you get to a certain age, like myself, oh Joe, about to be 57 in a month. Yes, sir.

I don't have everything I want now. Hey, yeah. month? Yes, sir. I done had everything I want. Nah, ay. Yeah, you want to chill, huh? I done did it. I done did it. I done did it. I done had the Ferrari and the Rolls and the Bentley and the big body Benz and Range. I done had all that.

Did it all. But, ay, I'm happy for the young fella. Oh, yeah. Man, he look so happy. Very happy, man. Listen, that's what it's about at the end of the day. And I'm glad him and his wife ignored all the haters on the outside.

Ignore all the haters. Everybody's gonna have an opinion. Everybody gonna have to say this, blah, blah, blah, whatever, as long as they happy. Trav, focus on what you got to focus on, go out there. And turn Jacksonville and Duval County upside the fuck down. Mm-hmm. Turn it upside down.

We should've, um, see, Ocho, that should have been us many years ago, Ocho. Never mind. Wait, what should have been us? Married. Oh, shit. Well, then I've been trying to get you married, man. Listen, I'm, I'm. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What you be trying to, what about you? I, oh, I've been trying to get you married man.

Listen, I'm- Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what you mean? What about you? Oh, I'm getting married. I told you I'm 2026. I'm not playing. Hey, let me tell you something. When the ball, when that ball, when that ball drop December, what, 31st?

Yeah. Man, I ain't got time to play. Man, I'm- Oh, Joe, you had me, I had this white linen outfit. I was gonna wear this. And listen, you gonna still be able to wear it. I tell you that. Yeah, man, I ain't got time to play.

Ain't nothing out there, man. You're right. You're right. You know what, Ocho? When you're right, you ain't wrong. And listen, boy, I ain't got time to play no games. But I'm jumping the broom. Two of them. Two of them if it need be. I told you, listen, pay attention, man. Think about all the stories we've been talking about.

Yeah. All players, basketball players, and everyone that's having success. Do you notice what they all have in common? They all what? They're married. and everyone that's having success. Do you notice what they all have in common? They all what? They're married. I want some of that.

I want some of that. I'm telling you, I'm telling you. Listen, God ain't, I'm gonna tell you what my grandma used to tell me. God ain't finished with me yet. He waiting on me. I'm not gonna finish the work that needs to be done with you until I have a foundation to build it on.

So I'm gonna go ahead and create that foundation. Now watch, now watch, now watch how everything just starts, just, I'm gonna pull it out. Until you pay me my 5900, when I get on you, I'm gonna take as long as God took. Hey, listen, I tell you what. I'm gonna talk to God about it. I'm gonna see what he say. Let me tell you, let me tell you to my grandma. You'ma talk to God about it. I'ma see what he say.

Let me tell you, let me tell you to my grandma. You need to talk to me about it. Hold on, let me pray on it. Why you gotta pray on my money? No, it's not about praying on your money. Just I wanna talk to God about it to make- You ain't talked to him yet? Yeah, we talking. But he's my uncle. You probably say, God, you know, okay, got no patience and I should be trying

his patience. I need to give him his money. Now, listen, Jesus got the will. Don't worry about it. Long as Jesus got the will be going in the right direction. Well, I ain't in it. So I need you to pay me my $5900. I ain't in it for you. That between you and God, I need you to give me $5900 in cash. I got you, I got you, ain't no pressure. Well, congratulations, Mr. and Mrs. Hunter. Ms. Hunter, enjoy your gift. 63 Brabus, $800, something nice to Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, talking about haircuts but imagine what we pay go to the hair salon robbery but Tash here's the thing we get our haircut every week or sometimes twice a week yes

yeah so just imagine playing bro imagine playing every week that's $1,200 that's $1,200 a month. Dang. Oh, no. I was, no, at the time, I was getting my hair cut two times a week. Right. Because I, you know, being on television. So you know what I'm saying? So I have, you know, so I get my hair cut, I get my hair cut Sunday, and then I get it cut again on Wednesday.

So imagine $300. $300, that's $600 a week. Mm-hmm. $600 a week times four, that's 2400 times 12. Damn. You got money, boy. No, no, no, no. I told y'all I ain't paying no $300 off no damn haircut.

But y'all be getting a lot of stuff done. Y'all be, y'all sometimes y'all get, what they call them? Lace front,all be getting a lot of stuff done. Y'all be, you know, y'all sometimes y'all get, what they call them, lace front, they be getting extension. Y'all be getting, y'all get way more, they taking it off. They ain't adding nothing. I can see it, they putting the fro on.

Yeah, and listen, it's a lot of work goes into that. And listen, you gotta think now, some of them wigs that they get, they different prices of that stuff. Now they get expensive. They get different prices of that stuff. Now they get expensive. Yeah. Wigs can go from 200 to 1500. Now depending on, then you gotta get your lashes done.

Then you gotta. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How long a wig lasts, Ocho? Oh, it depends on the person. Depends on the person. Now some people take care of the wig, and some people don't. Okay.

It should last you anywhere from about a good three weeks. A good three weeks. And so they got to go back and get it touched up again, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially, especially, you know, you do any kind of color or to it, you got to be on point, you got to take care of your wig. Some people don't take care of their wigs though, huh? They don't. Okay.

Quentin May says, strip clubs will your sign for you, Ocho. He said strip clubs will be the sign for you. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. What do you mean strip clubs will be the sign for me? Well, you was in there, you was at booby trap. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I took twin up there. I took twin up there. You know, matter of fact, man, my oldest daughter came with me too.

You see, hey, they- Y'all had a good time, huh? Man, listen, we had a good time. I ain't throw no money though. I ain't throw no money. Oh, they threw the money? I mean, they had their own money to throw. You think I'm going to this real club

and finna spend my goddamn money? You think I'm finna pay somebody else rent? Yeah else right yeah yeah man I ain't even paid you you think I'm a pay them yeah that's what I was waiting on you to go there that's what I waited you go right beside your head I'll wait oh you say yeah absolutely hey listen listen I'm all about I'm say yeah, I threw the money, Unc. Oh, absolutely. Hey, listen, listen. I'm all about supporting the naked hustle, but at that time, I'm not in a position where I can do that. Okay.

Nick Marr said, hey Unc, now the tour postponed, Ocho has another out for your 5900. Now what? That man gonna wait till 2026 to pay you. Nah. You right? Nah, I'm gonna get it. You right? I'm gonna get it to you. You right?

Nick, you ain't wrong, you right. That's what he wait for now I'm you wait he waiting he waiting all that time to pay me my money Not really I could happen to I could happen pay it to you right now We have a baby I know Apple pay no you got cash out You got zell Huh, no, baby You got Zell? Huh? No? Baby! Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. You watched the New York Knicks come from 20 down to defeat the Indiana Pacers 106 to

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