Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Suns fire last 2 coaches & Coach Prime wants a cap on NIL!
Episode Date: April 22, 2025Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to the Suns firing their last 2 coaches, Coach Prime wants to put a cap on the NIL & much more!04:50 - Suns Fire Last T...wo Coaches08:40 - Coach Prime Wants NIL Salary Cap21:20 - Zootopia 2 has better odds to win Oscar than Cowboys winning SB22:40 - Q & Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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after just one season, and they reportedly plan on taking a different approach
heading into next season. NBA insiders Mark Stein and Jake Fisher reported Sunday that the Phoenix
is, that Suns are highly unlikely to pursue another veteran coach following the quick departure of
Vogel and Boothamhoser. Both coaches had five-year deals, but didn't even make it to the second year of the deal.
Phoenix also fired Monty Williams after 2022, 2023 season.
So it would snap a three year firing streak if they keep a coach beyond 2025, 2026 campaign.
If you're Matt Ispia, where are you going and what are you looking for to head coach Joe?
You looking for somebody who the players gonna respect
and buy into the system.
That's why I tell you,
I don't know what they looking to spin on a coach,
but go young, give a coach some,
give them some leniency as far as wins because,
I mean,
it ain't worked out in the past three coaches, man. You know, you're gonna have to probably go through
with a little heartbreak, you know, a little low
as far as wins, but might as well do it
with some young guys.
You got, guys, you got four years, you playing $80 million to coaches that's not coaching
over the next four years.
Hey, what Phil Jackson at?
He hurt.
Yeah, please.
Phil ain't coming up.
Can he still move?
Phil ain't want to coach.
Phil was like, if I can't have Kobe and Shaq and Jordan and Pippen, I ain't coaching.
I'm done.
I ain't finna mess with my playoff record and my championship game record.
That ain't finna happen.
Nah, but you gotta get somebody in there, man, who them players gonna respect and buy
in, I'm telling you.
You know, somebody who's gonna really come in and lay down what's supposed to be done
Because if the players don't respect you all go to like yeah, yeah, I'll see they gonna play hard for you
Yeah, well, yeah, they'd be at that boy's yeah
Yeah, what I mean Sam can sell is a player. He's been a he's been an assistant coach for two decades
Mm-hmm. You can get Sam. Hey look Sam Sam probably be a good a good candidate for their job
You look at because it kind of reminds me of the chance to build a thing once he got there
You know damn was still there, but they brought trade and Dame often just kind of starting over and right no pressure on Chelsea
You know right now he got some every assignment. They got school Henderson. They got Shane sharp. Yeah
Clinging yeah, they got some young guys. We're gonna go
You got yeah, develop them guys and hopefully they mature into you know, some pretty good pros
Question is what they gonna do with Jeremy Grant?
I don't know if he's on the last year of his contract or he has another year
They're gonna move on from him. But like you said, they got some young talent things like okay, and they just extended they just extended
Charsey who knows yeah nash was it was a staple in phoenix but he margaret jackson margaret man i
don't know why they just won't give jack jack an opportunity but hey yeah i don't understand that either
maybe he did something wrong and word got out and they won't give him another opportunity.
I don't know.
I had him on my pod.
He say he don't know what he did.
Nobody seems to know.
But all I know is that there have been a lot of coaches that had worse records than what
he's had that's been given opportunities to resurface.
But for whatever reason, it hadn't happened for him.
Coach Brian won an NIL salary cap in college football.
There should be some kind of cap.
Our game should emulate an NFL game in every aspect,
rules, regulations, whatever the rules,
whatever the NFL rules, the college rules should be the same.
There should be a cap and every team gets this
and should be able to spend that.
Ocho, Joe, should there be an NL, N, N, I, L salary cap in college football?
I don't like it.
I don't like it.
I want the players to get as much as they can off their likeness.
Because is there a salary cap when it comes to coaches going from, going
from college to college or school to school?
Do they, do they put a salary cap on the coaches?
Being able to get as much money as they want?
Absolutely not.
So don't do it to the players either.
Don't do it to the players.
They make these colleges, these universities
and these entities make billions and,
B-word, not millions, billions every year
collectively off players players likeness.
Allow them to get a piece of the pie for the change.
Allow them to get a piece of pie for the change.
And it's gonna be like this for a very long time.
Obviously we know the landscape of NCAA has changed.
You gotta pay to play,
whether it be basketball or whether it be football.
You wanna win, you gotta pay to play.
You wanna get the best players,
you gotta pay to get them to come to your school. That's a part of the
game. That's what the game is right now. But don't put a salary cap on it.
No, don't. Because they don't do it for the coaches. And they pick up and go
whenever they want to when there's a better opportunity. What you want, Joe?
What you thinking, Joe? I wouldn't say salary cap, but I do want to see
all the player athletes get compensated to some degree.
Even let's say, even if you ain't a guy who playing major minutes, like I think it's enough to go around.
I mean, these dudes, they are professional athletes now.
You know, we can't even, yes, it's not just a collegiate athlete.
Like you're a professional.
So you got to carry yourself that way. And I just feel like if you got one dude making 7 million,
another dude making two and a half, three million,
now I think you can stretch it out to where everybody
on the team is making a little song.
It's, man, I'm just, I just saw in basketball,
I think 50% of the players in college basketball
entered the portal.
Yeah. 50% Joe the players in college basketball entered the portal. Yeah
50% Joe, you're oh Joe think about that
50% of the college basketball player are in the portal
No loyalty, uh, they study at a them young boys get into that my yarn they get into the money Yeah, they they ain't studying all that. What kind of system you running on about studying that?
Hey, what y'all paying me, man?
What y'all paying me?
And that's it.
And Joe, you can't coach kids like we used to get coached.
You can't yell at a kid.
You got kids coming in now.
How much money you got and how much time I'm gonna play.
You ain't talking right.
I got to go.
Yeah, think about it.
That's where we are now, Ocho.
Kids, you know, and I get it to a certain extent, you know,
that's all we knew.
So the yelling and screaming and the cussing and grabbing the face mask
or whatever the case may be, that's all we knew.
But in today's time, these kids, there's been a slow evolution
where coaches have had to get away from that, coaches have gotten fired
for cursing and saying things and doing things.
I don't even know if they have I don't even know if they have Oklahoma anymore, Ocho.
I don't know if they have Bull in the Ring no more.
They have to.
No, they don't.
I mean, we go sometimes we go home, we go practice it.
We go damn near the home practice with no water, Ocho.
Make a bad, make a mistake.
Mm hmm. No, you ain't get no water, old joke. Make a bad, make a mistake. Mm-hmm.
Nah, you ain't get no water.
Pour that water out.
Yeah, see, that's why sometimes kids,
sometimes kids today, they getting a little soft now.
We started bull in the ring.
We started Oklahoma during, I'm talking about,
I was five years old.
Yeah, oh, for sure.
I was five years old.
I'll never forget.
1988, I'll tell you.
1988, Miami Lakes Optimus.
I can tell you my coach was. Coach Bud, rest in peace. What we doing, I'm five forget 1988. I'll tell you, 1988 Miami Lakes to Optimus. I can tell you where my coach was.
Coach Bud, rest in peace.
What we doing?
I'm five years old.
We doing Oklahoma drills and bowling the ring
five years old with pads on.
Unc, that builds character.
Yes, it builds something.
That's why we are the way we are out of Florida.
It builds character.
Hey look, I'm playing for the Bell,
AKA Nolan Richardson.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
40 minutes ahead.
Hey, hey, Uncle Ocho, you calling to practice?
It may not even touch up the basketball today.
You know, somebody put an hour up there on the clock,
and you just run around the whole court,
ending it on for 60 minutes straight.
What?
Yeah, yeah, one day everybody's going to be in some shape,
brother.
You're going to be in some shape. 16 minutes or 16 seconds?
It's gonna be straight.
In the air run.
Hey look, you know if you in the back,
if you in the back with the medicine ball,
you gotta run a whole circle
and come back to the front line.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Hey, 60 straight minutes, nonstop,
till we get into them legs,
because his favorite quote was,
the fatigue makes cowards of us all.
That it does.
And now, hey look, once you get tired, now we want to see if you can play basketball.
Because they going, wow, hey you got guys going to be looking like Ocho out there in that
celebrity game playing against T-Mac.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hey, hold on, hold on.
You telling me how I look when my legs were already gone
after I had already dropped 22 in a celebrity game.
Okay, well, I ain't see that.
I ain't see that.
I'm just telling you what I see.
Well, watch the whole footage.
They just showed the part where we almost fought
and I'm gonna beat his ass.
Yeah, you ain't see that.
That's what you almost saw.
I didn't see that.
I didn't see that part.
Yeah, I'm just telling you.
I'm telling you, the T-Mac, that's my dog. You know, I respect him as a player, but
NBA players cannot deal with true athletes outside of a structured environment,
five on five and running plays and sending picks.
You can't play somebody like me and think you're going to succeed.
That's why I try to keep telling you.
And you don't seem to understand.
Alright, alright, alright. We're gonna go back to...
Hey, but uh...
Back to college playing for Nolan Rich.
Hey listen, we probably would have had a few guys in the portal too if you could jump in the portal.
Hey, it was tough down there.
You can't coach them guys like that no more.
Hey look, no you can't. You can't coach them guys like that no more. Hey, look.
No, you can't.
You can't.
You can't be tough guys.
You know, you can't yell.
You can't.
And the thing is, because we stayed out,
when we were younger on show, we stayed outside.
So when it came to practice, I don't remember anybody.
I don't remember really anybody fainted or dying
or passing out or something like that.
Like you see these kids now, they do these hard drills and they, you know, they fall out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We didn't have that because we was outside.
We was playing basketball, playing football.
We was working outside.
It wasn't no, we have PlayStation, we have Side of the Inside.
And then all of a sudden you go out to 100 degrees and try to run and do all that other stuff.
Yeah, something bad gonna happen.
Yeah. Hey, listen, that's everybody want to, they want to do all this, all this healthy eating and
they're peggotarian and, and, and, and, and vaginosaurus and all this other stuff that
don't make no sense. They, they, they listen to science, they listen to analytics. We ain't had
none of that. When we were, when it was summertime, you hear me? When it was summertime, Joe, we wanted
to come in the house.
No, if you're thirsty,
drink from the water holes on the side of the house.
You had to turn it on,
you had to turn it on and wait for the water to get cold
because it came out hot as hell.
That's why we ain't getting hurt.
That's why we ain't get sick.
Today, oh, I got a paper cut.
I got to go to the doctor.
What?
Hey, listen, yeah. They don't, they, see, we didn't have a distraction that they have in today's what they don't we didn't have no social media
Oh Joe, we really have no video game. You had to go to the arcade, you know back there though
So you had to go to the arcade? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're a handle
There was a very select. I mean we used to have like head game boy
We had some you know a couple of handheld games.
But it wasn't nothing like what these kids got now.
These kids now, that's why I say,
when you find a kid now that's focused,
boy, you got something.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Because there's so many distractions.
You got Madden and you got NBA 2K
and you got Call of Duty and Fortnite and this and that
and Minecraft and you got social media,
you got TikTok and whatever the case may be,
Snapchat and all that other stuff.
Whatever you got going on on your show.
There's so much going on now.
It's hard and it seems like as each generation,
the attention span and the focus get less and less.
Less and less. Very small.
Less and less.
It's hard.
You got to get kids there at 10 minutes.
Kids can't listen longer than 10 minutes.
I'm like, okay, go take a break.
What?
It's different now.
So I, I tell my hat to kids that, that come up in this environment now and they
focus and they know what they want.
Well, I want to be this.
I want to be a, I want to be a...
And I'm not just talking about a professional athlete.
I'm talking about I want to be a doctor,
and they take the steps to do that.
I want to be this or I want to be that.
It tells me a lot, because we didn't have
the distractions that they got, not just...
Nah, we didn't, we didn't.
It's hurting a lot of guys now.
Because see, they can sit around
on them video games, on them PCs and Xbox
And PlayStation that's six to twelve hours can go by quick quick married
Money doing it now Joe kid kid like hey, I want to be a streamer man
What I want to scream you can make money you look at you look at a
Casanet or you look at Speed
or you look at some of these guys,
man, they're making millions and millions of dollars.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Man, look, even if you could have made money back then,
my grandma Mary Porter say, uh-uh, get your ass out this house.
You go get the fields.
Tell it.
Listen.
And first of all, the TV gotta work for you
to play video games and our TV won't work at half the time. So. Hey, the TV gotta work for you to play video games and not TV while working after time.
So.
Hey, the funny thing about it too, even in today's era, with players more focused on
building a brand because of social media instead of working on your craft, you know, working
your craft and handing your business in between the lines and handing your business on the
hardwood, the brand will take care of itself.
Yes.
Because you handle your business where it matters most.
Now you got to do, you got some, you got some players, regardless of social media,
regardless of the game, and regardless of all the distractions,
they show up.
And you can tell they put in the work, especially in college.
You know, your Travis Hunters.
Yes.
You know, your Jeremiah Smiths.
You know, there's some of that.
Your Shadour Sanders, your Kambo.
There's some other people.
The Abdul-Carters.
You know, the other players that have been able to succeed
that are newly in the league,
you know, you're Justin Jefferson, you're Chase's.
So players are dudes like that, that have a singular focus
despite all the distractions going on around them,
to still be locked in on what the end goal is
and keeping the main thing, the main thing.
Yep.
Well, I commend them.
I commend them.
Because it's hard.
Very.
I agree.
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pitcher at the Oscars than the Dallas Cowboys do to win the Super Bowl.
The Cowboys to win the Super Bowl plus $7,500. Zootopia 2 best pitcher plus $6,500. Damn, when was the last time an animation won
best pitcher? Never? Oh no. It never. You talking about the 98, the 98 years. They've been
doing this, Ocho. Right. Never? I guess they're saying the Cowboys never going to the Super Bowl.
Not this year.
Oh man.
That what they're saying?
If they go up and get S and Gentie at six,
they got a good chance.
Man, you know Jared Jones ain't finna give up that draft capital
what it takes to zoom up that draft board to get it.
Hey, if he's serious about winning.
When you know him to be serious about winning?
You write by dance.
So I'm with you when you write.
What's the count with that?
12.
12, yeah.
That's your second round and possibly your third
or your fourth one to move up to six spots?
I think Ashton Jenningie probably going six to the rate.
Wait, the Raiders at six, right?
On my trip.
Yeah, I think the Raiders at six.
I say he might, I think he might go to the Raiders.
Now it's time for our final segment of the evening.
It's time for Q and A.
Mr. International said guys, NIL made college sports more entertaining.
Agree or disagree?
I like that.
I like it.
I like it.
I like it.
I like it.
I like it a lot.
And I like it a lot because we've heard so many horror stories back in the days when
there was no NIL money, when players get in trouble, can't eat, can't pay for certain things,
so they had to do whatever they needed to do
to make ends meet.
The fact that NIL is helping players early,
being able to take care of their families
before they make it to the next level,
or some players that might not even ever make it to the NFL,
they're still getting compensation for their likeness,
because sometimes college might be your last stop.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, the percentage that... Most athletes in college are their last stop.
I mean, yeah.
So those who have a chance to make a little piece of change,
man, do what you gotta do, man, and make the most of it.
Sometimes it's like a prepaid credit card, Joe.
You got a limit on it.
Sometimes the limit is college.
Sometimes the limit is high school.
Sometimes the limit is college. Sometimes the limit is high school. Sometimes the limit is JV.
When you know that, especially in college,
you get as much as you can.
Yeah.
Opportunity.
Hey, I'm start breaking down tape.
Do I go in to coach it?
Right.
Right, because everybody ain't going to make it
to the professional, the NBA, to gonna make it to the professional.
The NBA can't have a field.
To a professional in your said sport.
Be it football, basketball, baseball, track and field, tennis, hockey, whatever the case
may be, everybody isn't going pro.
I know you think you are, but not everybody can.
They're not benefiting.
There are a million kids that's gonna graduate.
Ain't no million kids going to college.
And ain't no million kids going to the NFL.
Yeah.
It's a small percentage.
I mean, think about it.
It's only been 25, $26,000 men that ever played in the NFL.
Coach, play, GM, and the NFL history.
That's a long way from a million, don't you?
Yeah.
Hey, hey not even a house
Hey, listen, I think the NIL has made college fun to watch again. No, is it? Yeah made it more exciting
obviously, we see the money that these guys are getting and
It's a lot more. It's a lot more on them. I think
You know, it's been a fun to watch man, but they do got to get a hold of this
They got to get a hold of this. They gotta get ahold of this,
because I see it getting worse.
I don't think before it gets better.
Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
Yeah, it's gonna get worse when it get better.
I mean, you are-
Go ahead, Ocho.
No, I'm gonna say also the kid need to understand too,
if you really like that, if you really him,
you know, all this bouts from school to school to school to school, if you really like that, if you really him, you know, all this bouncer from school to school to school to school
If you really like that, oh
The way you may think you are you get the money wherever you go. You know that huh?
For sure you'll get the money wherever you go
So thinking you're gonna get more going somewhere else when you really not they really don't value like that
Maybe you think you're not the person you are or wherever you are
You know, you're not as good as you think you are is what I'm trying to say
So I think the kids are gonna run into that problem as well Joe thinking that they're they're so good
Yeah, that they can go somewhere else and get more money
I think that's gonna be another issue they gonna run into like it's gonna be a wake-up call
You good, but you really not like that or they would have paid you they wouldn't have no problem paying you
You would have got it the first time. Oh you. Go ahead Joe. Well I think you know the smaller schools, Ocho,
but that's different.
Five-Fives. Yeah.
Let's see the Five-Fives gonna go down there, gonna go to them smaller schools.
And start taking the kids.
Yep. Three years already. He got experience in college.
Know what it takes to be a collegiate athlete. They want that. They want that.
They no longer want these freshmen coming straight out of high school.
They want guys with experience because listen, this is a professional now to win
and these guys are getting paid.
So look, we ain't just out here rolling the ball, let you go out here
and just do what you want to get better now.
We bringing in guys who we think are going to help us win right now.
Mm hmm. OK, I got you. OUSS 2004, Uncle Nocho. Not that Deion is struggling to pay
it for his kids college, but do you find it odd that the second his kids aren't
in college anymore, he wants a cap on NIL? Just seems like convenient timing.
like convenient timing.
I don't think the question had been raised before
or this is the first time they asked him. I think if you asked him while he's scared for a plan,
he might've said the same thing.
I think is that with anything,
you need a governing body. And right now there is no governing body with this NIL
Right, so it's just kind of like the wild wild west don't you?
Yeah, so
What is it that okay you sign a two-year deal
You get to break the contract if you don't get the if the school can't break it. You can't break it, right? I
If you don't get the school can't break it, you can't break it.
Right.
I think that's the, I guess I think, I think the guy at Tennessee, I don't know what he was thinking because he's going to get 2.4, he goes and gets 1.7,
1.8, he goes to California.
That's off.
That's half of that's going to go in taxes.
I don't think Tennessee, Tennessee doesn't have state income tax on it.
Did he get more UCLA or less?
He got less.
And he got to pay more taxes.
So it made no sense.
You see what I mean?
And there's a small example right there.
Thinking you better, thinking you better than what you really are,
and you're going to go somewhere else and get more money,
and now you got less.
Yep.
Like if you was him, if you was like that, and and I mean no disrespect I'm just talking about from a financial standpoint
and want more money if you really like that they wouldn't hesitate to they
wouldn't hesitate to pay you more. True. If you were that much of a difference
maker oh you want what? Actually what? To me you want to go from 2.7 to 4? Oh no
problem. Mm-hmm. No problem. If they really value you like that on the field
Did oh listen over over estimating the value and that's no disrespect to him. I'm just using that as an example
International's
Go ahead. Would you say something? Okay, go ahead. Go ahead
Mr. International being a pro athlete isn't as popular today as it was back in the 1970s
Actually, I think it's more popular
Who said that mr. International was that missing that come on that come on that
shoot
I'm jean
I can't even pronounce his name is in
IK a r a x h I don't know that his name. It's N-I-K-A-R-A-X-H-I.
I don't know what that means, bro, but anyway.
For both, if you had to pick out a quarterback
from this pool, who's most likely to leave ringless
and Ocho, pay the man his money.
So I guess he's saying out of Cam Ward,
Chidor, Jackson, Dar, Slough.
Is that what he's talking about?
Yeah.
Okay.
Are we supposed to predict the future on him
on who's gonna win a ring?
He says, who's most likely to leave ringless?
Yes, man.
It could be all of them.
Look at the situation they're going into.
Yeah, you're going to bad teams, very bad teams.
Hey, they can-
Kemper Norwood Jr.
I'm taking the nuggets over the Clippers in six, are you? Very bad teams. Hey, they can- Kemper Norwood Jr.
I'm taking the Nuggets over the Clippers in six, are you? Mmm.
Damn. So you got, you got, you got, I don't know about that one Kemper.
You say you're taking the Nuggets over the Clippers in six games.
Oh, no.
I think if the Nuggets gonna win, they gonna win this themselves, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, Joe.
I don't think I got the Cl of squandering this away, man. I've got T-Lew keeping them boys ready, understanding the moment.
You know, we're going back home.
You can't have a letdown at home.
The only teams had it when you came off, you know, two emotional high
games playing in Denver, you know, it's tough when you get home, you have
a tendency to kind of relax.
So I'm sure T-Luke gonna have them dudes ready.
I don't see them.
I don't see them.
You don't see them having a let down?
Nah, because they got to understand the moment right now.
Aren't they deal with the correct dude?
So take advantage of this.
Don't come out playing with them boys again.
Three, keep playing hard working.
I don't know if Kawhi gonna give you 39 every night, but him and him and James being consistent the way they do
hopefully one of them explode and
Or or you have those other guys play well and win your game in this series, but I like the Clippers man
I like everything they do from the guys who they play the life-size matchups that they have and the problems
They're trying to give Denver
If Denver don't step up and come in there and play
they have and the problems they're trying to give Denver. If Denver don't step up and come in there and play
with some resiliency in LA,
it's gonna be a short series, man.
Wow. Yeah.
Quentin Mobley, I told Joe,
how was it playing with Al Horford in Atlanta?
How do you feel seeing your boy win that ring last year?
Are you surprised he's still playing?
No, I'm not surprised he's still playing.
I'm happy for Al, man.
You know, when we got Al when I was here in Atlanta, it was his rookie year.
It was my third year here. This is our first time making a playoffs. Me, Al,
Josh Smith, Mike, Bibby, Jeff T. We played against that Boston team.
We was an A-C playing against a one-C. And Boston won on the win,
the NBA championship that year in like six games.
Us, the Atlanta Hawks and the Cleveland Cavaliers
were the only team who took them seven games.
Wow, yeah, that playoff.
So we was a young team.
I was a rookie playing against Kevin Garnett.
I'm talking about playing his butt off.
So to see him playing now, playing at a high level,
man, I love to see it.
Man, he take care of his body.
He look good out there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bria Carter, Ocho, have you been to the Inter-Miami game yet?
Yeah, of course, of course.
I've been to the Inter-Miami game.
Watched Messi.
I mean, obviously you probably haven't seen footage
with Messi and Beckham and George,
who's also the owner of the team.
I know everybody very well. I don't frequent it often because I'm on the road too much, but I've been to the games.
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