Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Teams laughed at adding George Pickens, Vet raiders players are used to loosing!

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Caron Butler react to NFL teams laughing at the idea of adding George Pickens to their team, Steelers DB and Lazard have beef, and veteran players on the Raiders tell Josh Jacobs to “get used to loosing” & much more!01:47 - Teams laughed at adding Pickens to their roster19:27 - Steelers db Elliot does not want Lazard to play on their team26:39 - Vet Raiders players30:39 - Jets35:32 - Draymond soundbite from after the game42:34 - Mom speaks out after son orders dumdums on amazon48:19 - Q & Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Volume Uh, Ocho, teams reportedly laughed at the idea of adding George Pickett to their roster, according to Jeff Howe of The Athletic. These were Jeff's words exactly. Word leaked during the draft that Pickett was available if anyone wanted him. Some teams polled by The Athletic at the time laughed at the idea of inviting pickets into their locker room for any price, let alone a second day draft pick. There wasn't a lot of interest in talking with the stealers about a trade.

Hence, this is why the trade happened after the draft. Nobody was interested. Yeah. Now I also would love to hear any teams that weren't interested in the team that did laugh or had something to say slick about it. Now I know the issues that he had on field, but let's talk about what he does on the field. I know we've had small instances, small, small instances of him where he's

loafed, where he hasn't blocked, uh, um, and not running hard. Now let's talk about the times when he does play hard and what he can do for you when he gets the ball in his hands. There's a bunch of teams that could actually use that. A bunch of teams that could actually use that who don't have anybody. Ocho, you do realize his job is to play hard all the time.

Yeah, I understand that, but can I tell you something too? Yes. Every receiver doesn't play hard all the time. O, I understand that, but can I tell you something too? Yes. Every receiver doesn't play hard all the time. Ocho, it can't be that obvious. You can't see the ball fumble. I'm with you when you're right. Listen, I'm with you when you're not. I'm just saying, it's magnified.

You know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, you know what I'm trying to say. But you're right. But the problem that he has is that... If that's Randy Moss, he ain't Moss. He ain't Jerry Rice. So you don't get to have that luxury of taking a playoff. Hey, Randy was funny with it, boy. Hey, Randy was funny with it. So when George Pickens can give you 23 touchdowns, when he can give you 16, 1700 yards, okay, take a playoff.

Now listen, now he's that type of player though. But you know what it takes to get that? It takes opportunities. It takes the ball. It does, and we understand the quarterback carousel and the issues they had offensively over there, where that wasn't the case. He's that type of talent. You can't start off like that, Ocho.

I, I, huh? You can't start off like that. You can't be like that your first couple of years. You gotta get some seniority under your belt. Right, right, right. That's year five, year six after you've been to the Pro Bowl three or four times. You've been a first team All-Pro a couple of times. You can't do that coming out of the box. Yeah, I know, I know, I know we were frustrated. I know we were frustrated like you know what, you know. I know, I know, I know we were frustrated. I know we were frustrated like, you know what, you know? I know, I know we were. Because you look at some of the players, even you,

doing it, I think it was you that did the comparisons, as far from a talent standpoint, when it was coming out the draft. Yeah. You know, I mean, dude, immensely talented. There's just another side that once we fix that up, he matures a little bit, he's going to be all right. Listen, after that conversation I had with him, he's gonna be alright. He's not gonna have no issues in Dallas. Because listen, my back against the wall now, you're seeing

all the young bulls get paid, they're making big money. You need to be a 30, 35 million dollar receiver. You can be that if you show this year in Dallas, the world is watching now. You on the biggest stage, baby. You on the biggest stage. Just go out there, do what you need to do, hand me your business, and get your bag in the off season. Most receiving yards in the Steelers drafted in the last 20 years. Antonio Brown was a 6th round draft pick in 2010. He averaged 86.2 yards with the Steelers. He averaged 67.8 with two teams after that. Mike Wallace was around 3 pick in 2009. 64 yards with the Steelers, less than 50 with four teams

after that. San Antonio Homes, 64 yards with the Steelers. Round 1 selection in 2006, 42 yards with two teams after he left. Juju, 61 yards with the Steelers. 35 yards, two teams at the left of Steelers. George Pickens, round two, 2022, 59 yards. We'll see what he averaged. Deontay Johnson, 2019, a round three selection. 57 yards, 31.3, three teams after. Sometimes the grass ain't always greener.

Now look, the Steelers don't have, the one thing we know about the Steelers though, Ocho, they ain't got no problem moving on from a receiver. Yeah, they don't, they don't. They don't after they get what they want to out of them. They get a whole lot of production out of the one they move on from first now. I mean, you think about it, think about who, I mean, Swan, move on from first now. I mean you think about it think about I mean Swan, Stallworth, yeah and and and and uh Heinz Warr. All the other seasons been Louie Lips left uh uh uh uh Yancey Pinkpin left. Yancey. Yeah I mean think about it

Ocho. All the other ones left. Yeah. Uh Flex. Mm-hmm. Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, everybody. Obviously it's a nation that's been- Oh, Chase Martavius Bryant, 53 yards. 33 yards a game with the Raiders. Chase Claypool, 52 yards. Less than 12 yards a game with two teams. Yeah, also you have to understand the situation these individuals went to.

They went into a different situation. George Pickens is going into a situation where he is a boldified number one, alongside another number one, where offensively they're going to use him a lot more than these other players were used when they went to the places they went to. Again, and he's also a much, and I mean no disrespect,

I got to say that, he's a much better talent and receiver than everybody else you just named too. Outside of Antonio Bryant. Antonio Bryant. Yeah, I was gonna say, he better than Antonio? Oh, that's shit, man. Brother Brown might be top five all time, depending on who you ask.

I just look, the thing is for whatever but it's got to be something in Pittsburgh look at all the receivers we named yeah yeah yeah and for some reason hey you either coach it or you tolerated Ocho. Now what is it what's going on? You coach it or you tolerate it? Which is an Ocho, I'm asking. Yeah. What other team have a position? What other team has a running back position? A D-line position? A cornerback position? A quarterback position? With this, hold on, this is the

last 20 years. So one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. We didn't mention Plets. We didn't mention Emmanuel Sanders. So that's 10 receivers in the last two decades. What's going on, Ocho? I don't know. Listen, if we go down the other 31 teams, it'd probably be the same goddamn thing. So we got 10 players at one position

that the team has gotten rid of. Yeah. It's the nation of the business too now. No, it's not. Don't do that. You don't think so? Name the team. Oh, I don't have it in front of me. No, you don't have it in front of you.

You, out the top of your head, name ten players that play a position for any team that's had these kind of issues, what the Steelers had with wide receivers. Oh, shoot. For any team that's had these kind of issues, what the Steelers had with Wyrote Seabrook. Oh, shoot. Nuh. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do All right, let's see what you roll down, old chump. Shoot, I can't think of none, boy.

Cause there ain't none. You ain't naming, you're not naming 10 players for one team at one position. I ain't talking about getting rid of somebody from, okay, we got rid of wide receiver, we got rid of a tight end, we got rid of a DB, we got. This is all one position, old chump. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you right. Well, maybe they maybe they just have they got bad luck over there You coach it or you condone it a

Little bit a little bit of both depending on how good he is see According to James Slater, George Pickens says he found out when everyone else found out about the trade. He says like, the mojo and the swag is here. George Pickens was asked how he sees himself in this offense with CD Lamb. He says he definitely sees himself on the outside.

He doesn't really understand the notion of a 1A and 1B receiver. When I used to watch football, there was always a good receiver, and there's always a good receiver on the other side of him. So I just feel like we're gonna work off of each other really well. Pickens was asked what he brings to the team as a teammate. He said he's bringing people along. He knows how to win, having won a championship at Georgia. He says he doesn't know what number he plans on wearing yet.

Next order of business is getting here as quickly as it can, but he needs to find a place and a vehicle. Haven't talked to Jerry yet, but spoken with Dak and the coaches and met some of the players. Speaking of swag, the Dallas Cowboy Pro Shop is already sold out of shy-sties. Yeah. I'm getting, listen, I got a few jerseys. I got to get me this all season too, man.

I got to get me a George Pigg and Dallin jersey. Yeah. I got to get me a Zach Wilson dolphin jersey. I gotta listen. Is it okay? Hey chat y'all let me know. I listen I Can I get a Shador Sanders jersey even though I'm bangles by heart or is that? No? Yeah, I guess you could. Yeah, sure you could. You know, understanding the circumstances. Absolutely.

I'm curious. I'm gonna ask Bingo fans that, see how they feel about it. They say, no, I won't get one. Yeah. But Cleveland is probably y'all biggest, it's like the Ravens and the Steelers. That's the biggest rivalry. Y'all biggest rivalry is Cleveland. Yeah. Y'all in the same state. Colors are close. I mean, cause you think about it, Paul Brown started the Cleveland Browns and then he went and started the Cincinnati Bengals.

So there ain't no love lost between you two guys. But absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely. If you want to get one, good luck trying to find one. Oh, I didn't, I just called Prime. I just called Shadoor. You know, hey man, listen, I need a jersey, you know? Yeah.

But I really hope George Pickens figures it out. I mean, he's too talented, Ocho, to be bouncing around. You know, sometimes people will give you grace. One of you, okay, wasn't the right situation, the quarterback, you go to the Cowboys, like okay. But don't go anywhere else but the Cowboys. Now, if the money, you know, you want more money, I totally understand that.

But don't have the issues that you had in Pittsburgh, here in Dallas. That's all I'm saying. Like, Beyonce Johnson, like, bro, you on three teams, last year, something ain't right. So hopefully, I agree with you, Ocho. I think he's too talented. He can run, he can catch, He's strong, he's physical.

Got great catch radius, great run after the catch, can high point the football. He can block when he wants to block. Yeah, but the problem is a lot of these young receivers Ocho, they only see value in catching touchdowns or passes. They don't see value in clearing it out and let CD Lamb come in behind him and catch it. They don't see value in blocking it out and let C.D. Lamb come in behind him and catch it. They don't see value in blocking and the running back instead of getting a 10 yard, he got a 50 yard touchdown. So you gotta find value in other things when you're not doing what the thing you see is valuable.

He sees valuable is catching a bunch of passes, scoring touchdowns. But there's also value and opening it up so C.D. Lamb and Jake Ferguson and maybe the third receiver gets a catch or a block that, you know, a guy could have got 10 yards, maybe you spring in for 40 or 50.

You have to find other ways to bring value and to have value other than the thing that you think is valuable, which is catching passes and catching touchdowns. But I hope he gets it figured out because I do think he's in men's lethality. I think he has a bright future. But don't squander this opportunity, young man.

Don't squander it. I told you, I told you. I got him. He good. We're gonna have the conversation. That's why after that conversation, I told you I had with him. We ain't had no issues since. Now, whatever, whatever...

Ain't playin' no football since. Let me, let me finish. My point exactly. My point exactly. So... He ain't have no problems off the field his all problems on the field. Hold on listen to me stay with me real quick man I want you to see now watch the George Pickens we get in Dallas. Now I'm saying we because if he if he win the goddamn Dallas I'm part of Dallas too. Okay. Now watch what we get. So anytime you anytime you make

mistake everybody makes you come back and you blame me. It's my fault. I let y'all down. No, I mean, I don't care about, look, you're gonna make mistakes, but I'm just saying that effort. Oh, I know what you mean. Hey, I'm even talking about that. I'm talking about that too.

Yeah. All of it. Cause it's hard to tell if, you know, obviously, you know, sometimes the guy running the wrong route, the quarterback would like put his hands up and he's like, you know and he'd point to himself. That's really the only way you know, unless you played in the offense

and you know the route combination and what goes with what. A lot of times I see West Coast offense, I'm pretty familiar. They might call the terminology something different now because it's evolved since Bill Walsh, well, Paul Brown, that was Paul Brown's offense. And then Bill Walsh expanded upon it and gave it the West Coast offense.

It's expanded, but I have a pretty good general knowledge of teams that run that system, what the route combination, what it should look. And so I feel very comfortable when I say something that I'm correct to a fairly degree of certainty. But he can definitely help the Cowboys. Cowboys have been looking for a number two since CD got there. They had Gallup, you know, had a good year,

got the big contract, he just couldn't stay healthy, Ocho. And he wasn't the same player after he came off that knee injury. He toured, I think he toured his ACL. He wasn't the same. He wasn't the same player. Hard, man, it's hard. The ACL, the ACL, the ACL, they got them Achilles,

it's very, very difficult to come back, especially for skilled position players. I think quarterbacks, you know, if you're not much of a dual threat, which most quarterbacks are now, it's hard to come back, man. Yeah, it normally takes you a year unless you're Adrian Peterson.

Adrian Peterson got people thinking that he just had an ankle sprain. Hey, he came back and had a better season the next year. Yeah, he went for 2000 with the MVP and off his third year. Yeah, he. Yeah, he almost broke ED's record. He was what? He had 2097, so he was nine yards short of breaking Edie's record. Yeah.

Close as anyone has been. Um, he's single handedly got that team to the playoffs because his quarterback was Christian Ponder. And, you know, they had Sydney rice. Remember Sydney rice? Yeah. Mm hmm. Um, but, uh, you said you wanted to see Pick go somewhere else and see.

Well, you get your wishes. I think he got his wishes. And not only did he get his wishes, now we have consistent quarterback play. I don't care what the chat or what the people of the world may think of Dak Prescock. He's still an adequate quarterback in this NFL. He's better than what he had in Pittsburgh for sure.

Who you telling? You know? So obviously in that NFC East, it's a good thing for the Cowboys offensively. So Dak has someone else outside of CD Lamb, and I can't remember the Titan's name who's actually good. Jake Ferguson. Jake Ferguson's a reliable target, but to add George Pickens to the helm and to that weaponry for Dak to have offensively, I think they're gonna do numbers. They're gonna do wonders.

It just boasts that offense and listen, long as they use young bull the right way, man, sky's the limit for him. Sky's the limit for him. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche

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You're going to love this next one. Steelers DB Deshawn Elliott does not want Alan Lazard to be traded to his team. Under the IG post talking about Lazard being involved in the heavy trade rumors with Pittsburgh, Deshawn commented, He's so booty. Wait, wait, say that again? You can see it. You see it up on your screen.

You can see what I see. You can see exactly what I see. He's so cheeks. LOL. I can't see it that good. Man, you know my eyes bad, man. Well, everybody else see it. What happened? Now say it again. Tell me too because it's too small. Alan Lazard is being involved in trade. The Steelers could possibly trade for Alan Lazard. Deshaun commented under the post talking about the trade,

and he said he's cheeks. What is Deshaun? Deshaun Elliott, he's a DB for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers are involved in trade rumors with Alan Lazard, who's a receiver. They beefing? Oh, so you can read, can't you? You see what he said right there, right? Yeah, I'm saying, are they beefing though?

I don't know what he, that's what he said. I don't, I didn't get any further than that. You know exactly what I know. Listen, I can't wait to be a flower on the wall. I hope the trade does go through and Alan Lazar does go to the Steelers because now the Steelers have to find a replacement for George Pickens. So somebody got to come in there. They need a body somewhere. I can't wait to see that. Deshaun, Deshaun Elliott. Yeah.

Should we? And he like that? He like that? Is he like that he's supposed to be that boy at DB? Oh, chill. Oh, chill. I'm just all I say. Okay. Oh Joe, oh Joe, I'm just all I said, okay Stealer Deshaun Elliott does not want Alan Lazar traded to his team under IG post talking about Lazar being involved in heavy trade rumors with Pittsburgh Deshaun commented Deshaun Deshaun Elliott blue check mark, but blue check mark. Yeah, he's so cheeks LOL. Yeah. Now I'm asking you is he like that? He took by his team. Is he that boy? Oh, Joe, we both do the same thing.

I don't know. Is he like that? I'm asking you! I don't know. What you don't mean you don't know? Oh, do you know? Yes, I know. So is he good like that? He like, he like, the next coming remus? I guess he said, hey, I guess he said,

he said, he said, Lazard isn't like that. Is he Surtan? Is he Ramsey? Is he Stingley? No. Right, that's what I'm asking you. I mean, he, I'm, oh, okay, that's all I want to know. I just want to know. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You just said all year long, you said you like when players speak up.

Tell her how it is. I like that, I like that. So what does it matter if he's like that or not? No, because do that to the opponent. Not to somebody coming to you. No you said you won't play us to tell the truth even with their own team. That's what you said on numerous occasions. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Yeah I like that but I'm just listen like talking like that you gotta be that boy. Why? He telling the truth. No you still gotta be that boy. So another, so unless you're not the boy you can He telling the truth. No, you still gotta be that boy. So another, so enough you're not the boy, you can't tell the truth. So you can't be saying somebody else suck and then you ain't good at your job either. That don't make no motherfuckers. Just because I'm not good at my job, that don't mean he good at his.

Two things can be true. I can suck at my job, he suck at his. Two things can be true. This is not a mutually exclusive endeavor here. That's it. Hey, listen. Listen, I'm an avid football fan. I'm an enthusiast. I'm very passionate about this. So obviously, I'm asking. You know how much I love the DB position.

People in the chat, you know how much I love the DB position. I study the players that are at the position. Most of the time, it's most of the big names. So the fact that I'm asking, is he even like that? I need to see him on film. Young Bull, Deshaun Elliott, I'm watching you this year. I love you, I respect you, but you talk about my receivers.

You talk about a friend of mine. So now I got my eyes on you. So now throughout the season, obviously when the Steelers play, you gotta play the Bengals, so I wanna see what you do against Chase. Huh? I wanna see what you do against-

Well, Lazard ain't Chase. I'm sure, I don't think he was saying that if they were involved in trade rumor with Chase. It don't matter, but you're calling somebody on cheeks. So that means you gotta be that boy. So now I'm sure I don't think he was saying that if they had if they were involved in trade room with Chase. It don't matter but you're calling somebody on cheeks. So that means you got to be that boy. So now I'm expecting I was a trash talker. I was a trash. That's what I did. I did that 13 years great. You know and I talked for a reason because I could walk everything out back. So if you call one person trash then you got to be that boy. Everybody that talk trash ain't like that. So everybody that talk trash Jordan and Kobe?

Everybody talk trash. They like that you think everybody to everybody to talk trash Jordan and Kobe No, but oh only people that talk Hey think about this the people that actually had the personality and in the balls and the goals actually talk trash are actually That boy. I mean it helps Hey, I'm excited I Listen, I'm excited. I, I, I, I, listen, I'm excited. I like stuff like that. Um, did, did Lazar respond back? I don't know. Did the Lazar respond back?

And I, I, well, he hadn't responded back at the time that we, we came on the air. I think the thing is Ocho now with social media, uh, and, and, and, and Karana, you were talking about this in basketball. What players think of other players in their own locker room is differently than what we at the outside think of certain players. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Maybe, you know.

Maybe they played it in the, what, before? We thought like this, Ocho, but we didn't have a platform to go say, yeah, he's some cheeks, he booty. We didn't have no platform, if somebody was yeah, he's some cheeks, he booty. We didn't have no platform, if somebody was talking about a trade or somebody was saying something, we couldn't go comment under it.

We read about it in the newspaper, we saw it, but there was no way for us to comment on it. Right. Or we might say, oh, that's Joe Easton. We might say, oh, he sucked amongst us in the locker room, but then nobody that wasn't in the locker room would hear it Right now. It's a lot different both everybody's here. They got a blue check mark. So is he? With hat

Mm-hmm. But now he wasn't heck but this is what it does though Uncle you when you put it out there like this and on social media now, you're gonna have everybody watching you Yeah, not only that so if something is something goes wrong on your end during the season, what's the first thing they're going to bring up? He cheeks. Bingo. Yeah, for sure. So now you getting beat or you getting toasted, now you got the eye in the sky on you.

So you got to be careful. That's why I said, wait a minute, did he really tweet it out like that? Like publicly? Like in order to do that, you got to be that boy and there's a certain level of confidence you got to carry when you talk trash like that on social media. That's what I was asking. Now I know who Jory Porter Jr. is.

Right. You know? So, you know, the Sean Elliott, boy, you on my radar, boy. Yeah, you talk, but you gotta walk it, baby. And that's the thing is, is that he might've been talking about Alan Azar, but all people to see is that that receiver beat you. So it doesn't matter who you talk to. Yeah.

Even though that the receiver that beat you had nothing to do with it. You didn't say nothing about him. You was talking about him, but Hey, that's on him now. It's out there now. Oh, he said it. Yeah. Veteran running veteran Raiders players came over to then young running back Josh Jacobs after he was angry about a loss and told him get used to losing.

Oh, are you surprised that Raiders had such a loser's mentality? The who? The Raiders? Yes. I mean, listen, it's been that way. It's been that I mean, the culture in general, in general has been that way for a very long time. So some of the players that have been there through that, I mean, listen,

you just, you just told me, I talked about telling the truth, right? Yes. Well, there you go. You got the truth. You got the truth in order for the Raiders to turn things around. They, they, they're only, they're only one position away. They're, they've only been one position away and that's every other team in NFL in order to, to move forward and get yourself in good tension and winning especially

in that division at the end of they got to deal with with uh Bo Nicks, Mahomes, Justin Herbert. Now you got you got Geno Smith over there. Now Geno Smith is well and more than capable of doing what he needs to do. All physically asked and Gentie the first round. They got asked and you got Brock Broward's crazy, crazy work. He nice. Now I'm not sure what they have. I'm not sure what they have on the outside over there, not in Las Vegas, but

they need to give Gino some nice to play with. They need to give him something nice to play with. Yeah, look, I've been very fortunate to play on teams and you know, we didn't think like that, but I'm glad. It started from top down. Mr. Boland made sure he gave us the best coaches. He gave us the best staff. We had the best training facility that we could have.

Obviously, Ocho, things have evolved so much Since you and I last played these guys get every meal cooked. They get breakfast cooked Whatever you want. You want eggs Benedict? You want French toast? You want pancakes? You want waffles? You want scrambled eggs poached eggs sunny side up? Whatever over easy? It doesn't matter. They got it. You want a turkey bacon you want chicken sausage. Oh Joe through I mean cream of wheat oatmeal you name it. Yeah have it guess what they break it all down Then they got lunch you pescatarian. They got salmon. They got trout. What I mean, they got it all For yeah, hey I

Was talking to burns under that said man, they would never got me home. They would never got rid of me. They had all these cold tubs. They got five, six dipped cold tubs. They got red saunas. Man, they got, they got everything. Hey, the bangles facility, the new bangles facility and what they did to the wave room and the equipment room and the cold tub, the hot tub, the red room you talk about.

Yeah. They got some unbelievable stuff, man. I'm talking about unbelievable stuff. They just had that stuff just got built. They're building a new one, $40, $50 million facility. I'm talking about everything on site. They prefer building a new one, 40, $50 million facility. Ooh. I'm talking about everything on site. They prefer, like I said, the full aid.

The Ravens, same way. Sheddy, you want something? Hey, what do you want? Hey, if you don't see it up here, we go back there, we get it out for you. That's crazy, man. Ain't no reason these guys should not be performing at their maximum level.

Yeah. Given Ocho, what they have at their disposal. Well, but also speaking of them performing at their maximum level, you gotta remember they don't practice the way we did either. True. They don't practice the way they did either. So more of them are falling, more of them are getting hurt at a much higher rate than what we did because they only going out to goddamn practice for 45 goddamn minutes.

Yeah. And then they go into game on Sunday and they're a hundred miles an hour and you wonder why your body's freaking out. And you run into somebody and you snap like a. There you go. Speaking of losing cultures, former Jets, Les Austin talked about playing in a losing culture

with the New York Jets. I'm like, y'all not even cultivating an environment that has us excited to walk in. The Jets ownership was ranked last by NFL players. Wait, if the Jets ownership was ranked last, where'd the Giants ownership rank? Don't tell you. Hey, all teams. Now I'll say it again. You live and die by your quarterback situation. As it.

And that's what it is. He gives you a chance. He gives you hope. That's what it is. He gives you a reason to believe. Hey, small or too small examples I can think of. Jane Daniels, commanders. CJ Shroud, Tex small examples I can think of. Jane Daniels commanders, CJ shroud Texans. Look at the seasons.

Each of those teams had before those two individuals got there and they are hard to come by. They are. They're very, very hard to come by. You gotta get that guy. Light changing, decade changing franchise players are hard to come by. As said, Giants were middle of the pack as far as player. Oh for real? Okay, okay, okay. Ownership. Okay. Talking about winning culture, former Seahawks head coach,

Pete Carroll used to purposely put the Ram team up in hotels with furry conventions. Like dogs. What's the furry convention? Yeah. Is it furry or furby? Furry. Yeah, I guess he said, Asher said people dressed up like animals. I thought he was talking about like they had like dogs or something furry, but

she said like people dressed up as in animal costumes. Wait, they would stay at that hotel on purpose how you put them there were available oh okay I know we stayed oh my goodness oh Joe check this out huh we don't have a video. Damn But there was a lady pulled over she was swerving come to find out She was had a suspended license tag was suspended when they arrived to the window

There was a raccoon had a meth pipe in his mouth He said it ain't mine. It's hers. She just passed it off to me He said, it ain't mine. It's hers, she just passed it off to me. Wait, it's a lady, she was swerving, her license suspended. And she has suspended tags, so the police pulled her over. When they get to the car, there's a raccoon. She had to paperwork all the documentation

because you have to have documentation for a wild animal like that. He was on the passenger seat and he had a meth pipe in his mouth. They got to be somewhere in the country, boy. And it ain't none of us either. Ohio. Ohio.

They say he lived down the street from Jordan, though. As long as it wasn't Cincinnati. And I could imagine, I could just picture that right now, too. I could just picture. Ratko said it wasn't his. Hey, that's funny. I take it back his words. Hey, did she go to jail?

Yeah, she got suspended license. And I guess that'd count somebody to come get the raccoon. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, cause you can't, I mean, certain states will allow you to have them, but you have to have the proper paperwork. Yeah, you can a good one. Yeah, because you can't I mean Certain states will allow you to have them, but you have to have a proper paperwork Yeah, you got you can do that. You can domesticate them, but you do you right you do gotta have to pay for it We got the video we got a video. Let's see the video. Let me see it. Let me see it. Oh

Come here hello the right good as a her meth pipe Come here! Hello? The raccoon has her meth pipe. Oh my god. It's what? Oh my god. Her meth pipe. He's playing with the meth pipe right now.

No, don't reach for it. That's evidence now. I don't want him to have that. Well, that's why I'm gonna do it. Hey, buddy. Huh? It's okay. Okay, you're on to beer in two minutes.

I'm right across from my house. Oh, she's old then. Is that what that is? Yeah. Okay. This is what to beer in two minutes. I'm ready to brush my off. Oh, she's older. Yeah, this is what she's smoking meth in. Okay. The raccoon's playing with her meth pipe. All right. The raccoon's saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, bro. What you doing?

You sure it's not a cops episode? Hey, it has seemed like a cops episode. I mean, he he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he It's been reported that they found other contraband in the car also. Okay. Yeah, she's a little older too, but she on the back end. So she, you know, she having a good time. Ocho, we have some crazy sound from after the game from Draymond. Take a listen to what Draymond had to say after the game, Ocho. Uh-oh. I look like the angry black man. I'm not an angry black man. I'm a very successful, educated black man with a great family.

And I'm great at basketball. I'm great at what I do. The agenda to try to keep making me look like an angry black man is crazy. I'm sick of it. It's ridiculous. I mean, we can only base it off his actions on the court. That's pretty much it. I love Drey Mon, you know, good friend of mine. But no. He's not an angry black man. No. I mean, he can be a little passionate. I don't know for the lack of a better word, very, very passionate about the game of basketball

when he does play. Um, he got kind of, you know, hurt some people sometimes, you know, elbows, knees and kicks or whatnot, but you know, he's in for sure. I don't look at him as that. I mean, sometimes do I think his play go over the line? Yes, but I don't think he's angry. I don't. Yeah.

There's a difference in, there's a difference in angry and being passionate about something. And I think those on the outside looking in, they can't tell the difference between the two. Well, it's- Obviously they don't want to if they think he's angry. Because anytime-

We're angry, they're pas- No, we're angry, they're passionate. They're passionate, yeah. Oh, that's a whole nother story. That was a good one. We got a photo of his haircut. Ojo, is it worth paying $300 for this haircut? Hey, before you even show it, before you even show the clip, ain't no haircut worth $300.

Period. I don't care what services they're offering. He paid $300 for this haircut. Was it worth it? Oh Oh, fuck. Fuck, he's alive! Fuck. Focus on the good for the right. I know you tried. You're on the same. I can take you back to my room.

You're trying. My life. You're weak. Just put your weight on your muscles. Come out, man! Oh, they're the facial and everything. Damn! How long was it there? Oh, you ain't got that kind of time, old joke.

Not only that kind of time, what about everybody else in line waiting to get a goddamn haircut? Can you imagine somebody in the hood doing this? If you don't get your ass out the motherfucking seat, man. What are we talking about? It's about an hour, man. Finish it off with a little coffee. Ooh, that's fresh. It was knocked out, I ain't gonna lie. It's your fault.

My brother, I appreciate you. That's worth $300, Joe. That's worth $300. I don't care if it's $300. Get your ass out the chair. I got somewhere to go. If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go.

If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go.

If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want to go. If you want your goddamn face You go to the barber shop. I want a haircut. Give me a tape Do my beard you get up out of there. That's 20 30 minutes at best man. That that footage was broken down He was in there by the hour 45 minutes two hours Ain't nobody got time for that man Keep it simple. Give me a haircut

Ain't nobody got time for that, man. Keep it simple. Give me a haircut. Oh, Joe, viral videos of the 37LU league are servicing all around online. Check out this big hit. Ah! Ah! Ah! Oh, damn.

Hey, that was clean too. No head, right here, right between the- Sort of in half. Right between the chest lids. Huh? Them the ones that hurt, cause they knocked the air all the way out. Yeah, oh yeah, that was nice.

And that's just a reminder, that's just a reminder that football season is almost back, baby. Nah, it remind me. It's almost back. I'm glad I'm over here talking about football instead of, baby. It's almost back. It reminds me. I'm glad I'm over here talking about football instead of playing it. Them leagues hurt. Oh, yeah. It hurt.

Listen, right now I can go. I can go another season. The bangles call right now. I come off the bench. Fifth receiver. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything

but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide.

And hear how leaders like Angelique are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A Kentucky mom is speaking out after her eight year old son unknowingly ordered 30 boxes of dumb dumb lollipops on Amazon, racking up a $4,200 charge. She discovered her son, Liam, had placed an order on Amazon, over 70,000 Dum Dums. After discovering the order, LaFavre says she immediately called Amazon. She was instructed to reject delivery to initiate refund.

The family stayed home to intercept the package, but despite tracking the delivery in the app, the first 22 boxes showed up without notice. Liam went outside to ride the scooter and started screaming, my suckers are here! She said there were 22 boxes of suckers on the front porch. Hey. How Liam know how to order something I don't? Hey, there's one thing about it though. You can tell, you can tell, you can tell the ethnicity of a group like this

when kids order that kind of stuff. Because if it was me, and I ordered something off my grandma or my mama, my mama card without them knowing, $4,200. First of all, ain't nobody had no credit card. I ain't had no credit card till I was a senior in college. So I damn sure ain't nobody had no credit card. I ain't had no credit card till I was a senior in college. So I damn sure ain't nobody had no credit card. I didn't know what no credit card was. Hold on, you know how young he got to be?

He's excited about ordering suckers. He's a little kid. So that means he went in his mama purse, he ain't got no credit card for himself. He didn't win and got a card and order stuff online. Man. You know where I would be at Man CPS a chat a CPS would have had to come get me man Yeah, and my they would have to come get me. No, I don't call cuz they gonna kidnap me beat me again I call it. I call it Hey, they were having college dumb dogs- 70 dollars in dumb-dumbs. Hey, 4,200, Unc, can you imagine back then,

back when we was young- What? All them 40, $4,200 worth of- Bro, do you know how much- On that car back then? As, look and see how much $4,200 is in the price of inflation right now. It's gotta be like 20,000.

Man, listen. Just go on, hella. Eight years old, so that'd been 68, listen. Just go, Heather. Eight years old, so that'd be in 76. It's gotta be 15, 20,000. Listen, it don't matter what it is. We didn't have it. I know that. We didn't have it.

We didn't have it. So I'm calling Child Protective Child Services. CPS on yourself, huh? Yeah, yeah, on myself. Hey, do me a favor. Please come get me for my mom and my grandma. So I'm calling Child Protective Child Services. CPS on yourself, huh? Yeah, yeah, on myself. Hey, do me a favor. Please come get me for my mom and my grandma. Get home, please.

I don't want no problems. I don't want no problems. We see it. Yeah. 1976, $4,200. $200? $34,000 now. Woohoo. Boy, I'd have died. Woohoo.

Ain't no way. And here in my- Boy, that's a house. You normally, you could have bought a house for $34,000 back then. Back then, absolutely. A nice house, too, at that. A good car was like $3,000, $2,500, $3,000.

Mm-hmm. Oh, no. I don't play around with that, man. You look. My grandma, hey, boy, go bring me my purse. And don't go in it. Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, ain't no, ain't no, hey. She ain't say, hey, go get this, bring me my purse. Oh yeah. Cause you know, might had to sneak me a couple quarters up out of there. Cause you know, back then, people kept change in a handkerchief. Oh yeah. It wasn't a loose change in the bottom

of my grandma purse or that side. They kept change in a handkerchief. Yeah so My grandma had a change my little change the little change first You remember the thing you squeeze and you put your change in the side the little squeezy thing. Yeah, it was rubber It was like yeah, yeah, I know you thought about. I used to give him at school. Here you go. I hope you put some money in it, cause I ain't got no money to put in it.

Just having it in my pocket, I ain't got no money. Yeah. Manny Pacquiao making his return to fight Mario Barrios for the WBC Welterweight Championship. Boots Ennis is looking to become undisputed at Welterweight. Are you excited for the potential Pacquiao wins, or does he have the potential to be a disaster like Logan Paul, Mike Tyson?

I mean, it won't be a disaster. Pacquiao can still fight. Uh, he's an eight-time... He's gonna retire for your eight-division champ. Eight-time division champ, but Mario Barrios, still very active and a very, very good fighter. Uh, to this day, I think he probably will win this fight. Being that Pacquiao's a little old, he can't move the way he used to move.

I'm excited for him. As far as Boots Ennis, I heard T.F.O. Mo Lopez call Boots Ennis out. He did, I saw that. I think that would be a phenomenal fight, and Boots needs to do what he needs to do. And he gonna make it do what it needs to do. You talk about two really, really good fighters,

both very, what's the word, stylistically, it's gonna be a very good fight. Yeah. Very good fight. Tio moves well, Boots moves well. You know, Tio can fight from range, Boots can fight from range. Tio can fight in the pocket, Boots can fight in the pocket.

You know, hey, that'd be a good one. That'd be a good one. Well, I just want to see the fight, like, Bob Aaron said, these guys are destroying boxes because they don't nobody wanna fight nobody. Yeah, well, they're trying to protect their record, huh? They're trying to protect that zero. Everybody trying to protect that O.

Yeah. Trying to protect that O. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Dab Smith said, if I'm keeping to the book, Pick is not even good to be dealing with his antics. He's not even top 10 at his position.

He's barely top 15. Yeah, absolutely. You think he top 10? Yeah, I know what he can do. I ain't worried. You think he top 10? I'm not talking about no numbers. I know what he can do. I seen him. I seen him take talking about no numbers. I know what he can do I've seen him. I've seen him take slants and hitches to the house Everybody ain't doing that not at that level. Absolutely not. You see him walk off the ball? You see him stop running on routes?

You see him not jump on a fumble? Now we didn't discuss that already. I'm just asking you, you see I'm just making sure you got two eyes cuz sometimes you just see only one thing making sure you got two eyes, because sometimes you just see only one thing. I just try to make sure you ain't cross-eyed, because sometimes I think you want to see one thing. Yeah, we on the same page. But our daddy, look, he's in a situation. Let's see, hey, Ocho, wipe the slate clean. Yeah. You got a clean slate. Oh, yeah. He in Dallas now.

Let's see what he does in Dallas. Hey, everybody deserves a second chance. Why'd the slate clean? What he did in Pittsburgh? It happened in Pittsburgh, he left it there. Okay, Dallas, you got a clean slate. Isaiah Lancaster, what's good, Unc and Ocho Unc? What would Ant-Man rank NBA players if he wins a championship?

Well, I mean, you gonna put him in front of KD? Oh, look, okay. You go put him in front of Janis, Jokic, Steph, KD, LeBron. Those are five guys that have championship. Are you putting them in front of any of those guys? Jason Tatum. So you tell me where you should go. That's a great question.

Braun got four MVPs, four finals MVPs. Katie got an MVP and two finals MVP. Steph has two MVPs, a finals MVP. Jokic has three MVPs and a finals MVP. Who else do we say? Jason Tatum has a championship, no finals MVP, three time first team, about to be four time first team, all NBA selection.

I hope he's talking about current players, cause he's not even top 20, even if he wins the championship, if we talking about all players in the history of the game, Mocho. You agree with that? Yeah, it's so early though, huh? It's so early for Ant-Man. That's what I'm saying, yeah.

He's asking, like, where would you rank Ant-Man among NBA players? So I'm thinking he's talking about current players. Right now, yeah. Okay. LeBron, Yoke, Yarnis, KD, Steph, that's five. I don't think you can put him in front of any of them. So SGA, Luca, Tatum. I don't know.

You put him in the top 10, Ocho? Yeah, he in that next five now. Absolutely. Okay. Dr. Frank L Bellamy, hey fam, uh, this might be a great debate. Lab bird with your guy back in the day. Now you ride with LeBron. But if you had to build your team around prime for prime, who you taking?

Let go James. Taking LeBron LeBron was a better defender Larry averaged 2410 and 6 for a career LeBron is 27777 for a career. Uh, Ladd won three MVPs consecutive, 84, 85, 86. He's a two times finals MVP. LeBron won four MVPs in a five year span. He's a four time finals MVP with three different teams. I would take LeBron.

I think LeBron is the greatest small forward to ever play the game. Now, if you want to say, I think the debate is for second is a KD is a lab bird. I let you guys debate that, but I think for small forwards, LeBron is the greatest. Aaron Owens, what's up Uncle Nocho. Do you think Eric B enemy and Sam can say, well, ever get shots at being a head coach? I think Sam's got to be on the short list. I definitely think Sam can say, I should be on the short list Mm-hmm. I definitely think Sam can sell should be on the short list

I mean he's been a he's been a an assistant for two decades. It's time for him to step out the shadows now And somebody give him an opportunity cuz that's what it takes somebody just gonna have to give you an opportunity opportunity Yeah, I think EB is gonna have to build himself back up. Yeah I'm gonna hit he took a hit going to Washington. Yeah. The offensive coordinator, they were bad. He took an even bigger hit. He went to UCLA. They were bad. He ended up getting fired. So he's going to have to build himself back up again. Mm hmm.

Lanny Ray. Hey Lanny, how you doing? It's been a long time. No see. Hey guys, which team has surprised you the most in the NBA playoffs so far? And based on what you've seen, who do you think is winning at all? Well, based on what I've seen so far, I mean, really nothing's been surprising because the teams that are in the NBA playoffs are the teams that were playing well during the regular season too.

Yeah, it's kind of hard, like, I want to say the paces, but with Dane going down, I don't think anybody's surprised that they beat. Yeah. Who they beat. Yeah, I don't really think there's any surprises right now. Who's winning it all? Who you got? Nicks.

You got the Knicks? Nah, hell nah. You still on Boston? Realistically? Yeah. They're still on who? I said you still on Boston? Nah,? Yeah. They're still on who? I said, you still on Boston? Nah, nah, I ain't never, I listen, I'm a Heat fan. So I really don't have a horse in the race, but if I was to choose a team to

actually win it all, I would love to see the Wolves win it. Now, is it possible? Probably not. You know, I think maybe OKC might be the one to hoist that trophy this year. Yeah. But I would love to see Ant do it. I mean, like I said, my team out, so I don't really care. But who I like, like the Nuggets played in Denver.

I love Yoke. Uh, I don't want Boston to get another one. I don't want them to get too ahead of the Lakers. So they need to hold up. But then I don't want to hear Stephen A Smith. I was talking to Stephen A talking about the Knicks. So I need somebody to clip. But I do like Jalen Brunson.

Having met him, met his dad, met worldwide. I kind of like the Knicks. They growing on me. Yeah. They growing on me. And having sat down and had a conversation with Kat, understand what he, what he went through with his mom. I like to see the Knicks do something. I think, I think, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the Knicks and the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals, but I don't think either one of

those teams could be OKC. Mm. That's just me But I don't think either one of those teams could be OKC. That's just me firstly. So yeah, Jonathan Santiago, shout out to Ron. He's the reason I went to MCI in high school. Real one. Hope to meet you someday. Thank you for tuning in. Jonathan, uh, Triple X, cup sanity.

Oh, you should have a new segment called Capping with Ocho. You know what, that's a good idea. I think we're gonna do that. Wait, capping, what capping mean? You know about lion? Yeah, big old blue cap. Wait, now everything I talk about is life experience. So I'm not sure what he's talking about.

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as they rolled one 17, 93 over the Warriors. Tie the series up, but now the next two games are in golden state. Let's see if we come back, if it's two, two, if it's three, one, one way or another, somebody is looking to get a decided advantage. I'm Unc, he's Ochoa. Off to my right.

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