Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Tua eyes return. Tomlin keeping quiet, Memory lane

Episode Date: October 20, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson discuss Miami Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa eyeing a Week 8 return and having no intention to retire. Later, Unc and Ocho breakdown Pittsburgh Steelers HC ...Mike Tomlin being mum on if Russell Wilson or Justin Fields will get the start vs Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets on Sunday Night Football, Unc and Ocho reminisce about what they miss most from their playing days and much more!03:18 - Scott’s Landscaping09:10 - Tua possibly back week 815:10 - Tomlin plans to start Wilson25:13 - Q and Aye(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:05:42 Louisville, 45. Alabama, number seven, Alabama, loses to number 11, Tennessee, 24-14. The Miami Hurricanes 52 Louisville 45 Alabama number 7 Alabama Loses to number 11, Tennessee 24 14 the number 8 LSU Tigers Bingo Tigers lose the art be Arkansas 24 to 10 2014 with 34. Oh, we'll put 24 up there Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, as you go, she don't put 24. It's 34.
Starting point is 00:06:10 That is what you wrote up here. 30, 40. Do you, I will stay, I will stay UFC is in progress. Isn't that game over? Yeah. I will stay come back to one 30, 35, right? Iowa State come back to 130, 35, right? 38, 35, Iowa State one in Clemson, 148, 31 in Virginia. Ocho, can I ask you a question?
Starting point is 00:06:32 Yes, sir. How many times are we gonna watch these college kids do something spectacular only to let the ball go at the one yard line? Listen, I can't even talk trash. I can't even say nothing. Tell Ash send it to you real quick. Fiesta Bowl, 2000, Oregon State versus Notre Dame.
Starting point is 00:06:52 I'm going down the sideline. I scored, man, it might've been 70, 60 something yards. What you think I did before I crossed the goal line? Dropped the ball. Dropped the ball, but I left the ref so far behind, they couldn't even see it. So I can't even chastise the player that did it but goddamn it was you UCF right UCF I can listen I can't even talk trash because I did the same goddamn thing when I was in college right you get off the line guess what
Starting point is 00:07:19 though Joe they lost 38 35 guess what that touchdown would have us down that touchdown with a man listen would have hurt That hurt, but y'all keep doing it y'all get you keep hoping you're gonna make sports center But you're making it for a different reason right? But now guess what that's on your resume. That's the upper when they go top ten plays of Not not top ten plays bonehead not top ten plays. Bonehead plays. You own there. Yeah. Yeah. So he did it. Deshaun Jackson did it. Deshaun Jackson if I'm not mistaken did it in the high school. Oh he did it in high school and college? At the Army All-American. What the Army All-American game?
Starting point is 00:07:59 And he did it again in 2008 on Monday night against the Cowboys. So he didn't learn his lesson from high school. He said, you know what? I'm going to skip college. I'm going to bring it back when I get to the NFL. Yeah. I never forget that. I got lucky.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Ocho, what game tonight had the biggest playoff implication? The biggest playoff implications? Probably that Alabama loss. had the biggest playoff implication? The biggest playoff implications? Two, probably that Alabama loss. That probably had the biggest playoff implications. Listen, they come out with a second loss. They come out with a second loss. They still gotta play LSU sometime in November. They still, after LSU, they still have two more ranked teams.
Starting point is 00:08:43 Yeah, they got LSU and they still got Ole Miss and they got Auburn in the Iron Bowl And you know what for Alabama unless the quarterback play becomes better and you don't turn the ball over And you get a running game with some of these ranked teams that you are that you are going to play It's looking real bad. It's looking real bad, Alabama boss. Well, the only thing they could really hope for is that I just don't see it. Oh Joe, I think it's more probable. There's more, more probable than not. Right.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Did they lose four games and missed the SEC and miss the college football playoff that they run the table and make the SEC championship game and make the college football playoff? I think the first is more probable. I think they lose at least at bare minimum two more games, two more or three. At least two. Okay. Okay. LSU and LSU.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Oh miss. OK. OK. LSU and LSU. Ole Miss. Oh, man, that's it just don't seem like Alabama, just the thought and seeing Alabama struggle, it doesn't even look right on TV, it don't even look right. It's weird, it's weird just seeing an office that we're used to seeing receivers go crazy week in and week out, which they have been doing. But to see what Tennessee was able to do to Alabama today defensively, man, they couldn't run the ball, they couldn't throw the ball.
Starting point is 00:10:24 I mean, it was Nathaniel. Nothing to his aiming to return to practice on Wednesday. And if all goes well, we could see him start week eight against the Cardinals. Told the plate told players that to a practice window will open Wednesday and the quarterback intends to participate. Barring any setback, Tua would be in line to start October 27th. Tua suffered his third concussion in two years
Starting point is 00:10:55 and the Dolphins' week two loss against the Bills. His latest brain injury prompted several renowned calls for him to, renewed, excuse me, renewed calls for him to consider retiring excuse me, renewed calls for him to consider retiring to protect his health. But after consulting with independent neurologists, he has no intention of retiring. I told you one retired anyway, too.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Hey, you know, man, I'm retiring, man. You know, I understand health is a, is a, a sole focal point that the, that the team and the doctors want to focus on, but as a competitor, as a warrior, as a Uso, you know, it's just not in him. And then also being able to prove to all the doubters that you are worthy of the contract that you just signed. Oh, you think he gonna hang it up?
Starting point is 00:11:43 No, as a competitor, he just not. Despite the health risks that are at hand. You know? It's tough. Yeah, very. And I get it. Very. I mean, maybe had I known the seriousness of concussions
Starting point is 00:11:57 that we know now, maybe I would rethink some of the things that I did, Ocho. But we didn't know 20 years ago what we know now. And guess what? 20 years from now, they'll know more than what they know now. But Ocho. You take some without help. Without your help, all the money in the world,
Starting point is 00:12:20 think about how much money people spend trying to be healthy, trying to be young, trying to look young. Yeah Yeah All the money and when it comes down to it, what do you want? Yeah help Think about that. Yeah, all the but 30 billion 50 billion a hundred billion And everybody Wants to be healthy at the end
Starting point is 00:12:54 So you the question that you have to ask yourself Somebody having to bathe you in your 20s of early 30s Somebody having to do everything for you in your 20s or 30s. You don't even know your family in your 20s and 30s. I get it, Ocho. You and I both played and we I could only imagine I had a brother had it taken from him. The dog was straight up on it with my brother. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:25 He told him, he said, son, if you was my son, I would advise you not to play. I would advise you not to play. He said, you got unlucky. He says, I'm not so sure the next time you'll be this lucky. He said, you're very lucky. You're not a you're not a paraplegic. Very no, he said, a quadriplegic. Say you extremely lucky, son.
Starting point is 00:13:51 That's all my brother needed to hear, right? I get it. Boy, hey. I'm going to take a lot of time before I make that decision, Ocho. Mm-hmm. That's tough. Because guess what? You know what happens, Ocho, when you get one, it's easy to get another one.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Like in boxing. Ocho, he ain't getting concussions. Ocho, he ain't getting concussions, which I got bing, I got dinged a little bit, let's go to the tent. Right. He getting concussions, they taking his ass to the locker room immediately. He's out for the rest of the game. He's going still. Yeah. Fingers curl, hands stop. Yeah. That's traumatic. Brain the injury.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Yeah. But at the end of the day, that's his decision to make. Yeah, I say, I say, I got as much information as you possibly can. You sit around with your family, friends and loved ones, the people that you count on, that you trust, and you try to make the best informed decision. But the three concussions that he had, oh, Joe, those are not Dean. No, they were you. Oh, Joe, those are not ding. No, wait, will you, oh, Joe, they coming to get him. Well, you saw, oh, Joe, you saw him in Cincinnati. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:13 And you saw him in Buffalo. He got dinged. Oh, Joe, he got dinged the week before Cincinnati. And they talk about it was his wrist. It was his ankle and then you put it right back out there on a Sunday yeah I mean excuse me that was a Sunday you put it right back on the field on a Thursday I just man what a what a what a what a what's that what they call that that's the concussion cap
Starting point is 00:15:43 the guardian the guardian cap you guardian cap put the guardian cap on I know it's ugly, but hey Hey if it can help if it can help where that's if it can help I Mean that's the thing though. Oh Joe, I mean, just like, like I said, man, him, he get in that position. You see the hand fingers crook, you see the arms still. That's
Starting point is 00:16:17 yeah, I forgot. I forgot what it's actually called, but well, you get in that position. It's called posturing. I think, I think that's the term that they use the medical term. Though Coach Tomlin continued to remain mom on the Steelers starting quarterback plan for Sunday night, George Pickens George Pickens seemingly confirmed Russell Wilson would make it first start of the season against the New York Jets
Starting point is 00:16:42 when asked whether he's been working with Wilson after doing practice. Pickett said, yeah, we've been getting on the same page after practice throwing more than usual because it's his first start. Right. But a half an hour before Pickett's interview, Mike W. declared to reveal anything about the play and would ask whether he was ready to name a starter. Here's on show, it slipped out. George, George a fool, but. Hey, he ain't know no better. But here's the thing. That's what Mike Tomlin, you say,
Starting point is 00:17:16 look guys, we gonna keep a lid on this. Yeah. We not, hey, Russell's gonna start. Yeah. Well, you don't need to tell Russell, if he's taking't need to tell Russell if he's taking the first team start, if he's taking the first team rep, we know who the hell is going to start. Right. I, Oh, Oh Joe, artist mistake.
Starting point is 00:17:34 I opened my big old mouth. We played, we played, we played somebody. John didn't play and they asked, um, when did you know John was going to start? Oh, we knew all week. Hell, he didn't take no reps. Uh-oh. John went on the injury report. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:17:53 So now the team get fine. 50 grand. Yeah. I say, y'all should have told me I was supposed to say nothing. It's been so much controversy about who started and who gonna do what and listen if I think people need to understand or remember that Mike Tomlin named Russell Wilson the starter before the season started so the fact that Russ you know inconveniently got hurt as far as his
Starting point is 00:18:19 cabin before the season started despite the Steelers playing as well as they are if you're healthy the the person you name, the actual starter, the team should get his job back and it's his job now to lose. I know some people will say, well, if you're going with Russell Wilson now after a four and two start, you really can't go back to Justin Fields. Actually, yes, you can. Yes, you can. If Russell Wilson is not playing up to par, if he's not playing as efficient as Justin Fields was, then a change will be made again.
Starting point is 00:18:48 If you're putting your team in harm's way and things aren't going the way they should and Mike Tomlin doesn't see fit that the direction of the team offensively, well as a whole, ain't going the way it should be going, there's a change is going to be made again. And ask you a question. Yes, sir. Is Justin Fields playing better than you thought he would, worse than you thought he would or about what you thought he would be playing? Way better, way better. And you know why he's playing way better?
Starting point is 00:19:21 Because they're not asking him to do much. They're not adding, he doesn't have a- How would you think they're gonna ask Russ to do? No, I'm just saying, when he was in Chicago, he had to be Superman. He had to do everything. So on his plate is not as much being asked of him. But what we do ask of you, don't turn the ball over.
Starting point is 00:19:42 Make throws, take what they give you. Defensively. Don't force anything. And he's done a great job at that. He's done a really good job at that. He's been playing phenomenal football. So I could probably understand what his frustration would be with him not starting, but of course, his answer to the media is they say everything PC.
Starting point is 00:20:01 They say all the right things. That's not how you truly feel. You're foreign to you feel you should be the mother f*****g starter. I'm sure they're probably team people on that team that feel the same way. They just can't say it. But Mike Thomas promised Russell Wilson that starting job. That is why Russell Wilson started. Justin field started Pittsburgh's first six games of the year helped the team get to a 42 record.
Starting point is 00:20:28 Diana Rossini, the athletic reporter, that the choice has resulted in confusion. What the hell is Mike Tomlin doing? That's the question being asked around the league, including in the Steelers' own building, even in the building of the New York Jets, Pittsburgh's week seven opponent, as Tomlin is set to make a curious quarterback change on Sunday night, Rossini noted that Fields has support of his teammate and is still expected to see some limited playing time against the Jets. Some around the league posed the question, if you're going to switch quarterback who hasn't taken a live regular season snap, why do it against the fierce?
Starting point is 00:21:06 Just defense Pittsburgh has the New York Giants next week wouldn't it make more sense for Wilson to debut then? Okay, nah hell nah Get your get your feet wet. What better team to get your feet wet? Get yourself acclimated than the goddamn Jets. Don't throw me out there, don't throw me out there against the goddamn sorry-ass, oh shoot no disrespect. Don't throw me out there against the Giants. Let me show you what I could do against a team that's supposed to be good. And we gonna get Jiggy. Listen for his sake, I hope he plays well.
Starting point is 00:21:47 For his sake, I hope he plays well. And it's a good test for him. The fact that they are playing the goddamn just defense, which is I think if I'm not mistaken, ranked number one in the league, or maybe number two, one or the other. You do realize they go heat him up. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:03 Because they feel they got the kind of guys that can lock up. You take a sauce garden and say you got George Pickens. You got Reed. You got the other guy. They gonna bring pressure. They gonna test that cow. Yeah most definitely. Boy, Mike Tomlin. They better, we all better win this game. You better win this game now. You You making a very unpopular decision. Yeah. Trust me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:28 What is he listens? One of the things as a coach, sometimes people aren't gonna agree with you when it comes to making difficult decisions. And this is one he, it's all on Rush. It's all on Rush to make Mike Tomlin look good on the decision that he decided to make. Because I'm just trying to figure out. I'm just trying to figure out what Mike Tomlin thought he was going to get with Justin Fields. You said you believe Justin Fields has played
Starting point is 00:22:58 better than you thought. Right. Clearly Mike Tomlin think he's played worse. And listen, I think he's played. He's played very well. I think his expectations based on what Mike probably had for him in this season, he exceeded those. I think he exceeded those expectations. And then you go to Russell Wilson, even though he's exceeded your expectations? Yes, because you've already promised Russell Wilson the job.
Starting point is 00:23:21 We don't know what conversations they've had before the season started and let them know it's your job to lose. It's just the fact that he got hurt and he wasn't able to start the beginning of the season. So now he's giving him the job back, now that he's healthy, because the conversation was already had that you are the starter. But again, if things aren't going well, I do see Mike making a change and he won't hesitate.
Starting point is 00:23:51 He won't hesitate. Might be too late, Ocho. But, Unc, they four and two. They got plenty of time. That's my point. You're making my point when you say they're four and two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:08 So all Russ got to do is go in there and pick up where they left off. But what happens when he doesn't? Ah, let's think, let's, I'm there. I listen, I'm thinking optimistic. I want him to do well, except when they play the bankers, I want him to do well. Oh Joe. Yes sir. How many times players have gotten lied to? All the time.
Starting point is 00:24:28 Oh, they have to all the time. So now you need Russ because Coach Tomlin promised him the job. Hey, it's part of the business, huh? That's my point. Hey, one thing about Mike Tomlin, boy, he's a stand up guy. And he's not the type that's going to lie to you. I bet you go ahead with that, Booj. He told me.
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Starting point is 00:29:19 Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hey, that was funny. Andrea Kenny, Ocho, don't ever apologize for not being politically correct. Your authenticity is what we all love being you unapologetically. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm that's you know what? That's all I need to hear.
Starting point is 00:30:00 That's all I need to hear. That's what you know. I don't even know who told me that. I don't know. I mean, what's your name? What's your fucking name? Andrea Kenny. Andrea, I love you. Not the fact that I'm going to change anyway, because I've been the way I've always been all these years.
Starting point is 00:30:14 But the fact that you just fame that anyway, the tell me to remain my authentic self. That's it. I'm no no. She said, Oh, Joe, don't ever apologize for not being politically correct. Which means which means, oh, he played really, really good. Oh, they doing that really, really well. No, you misheard what she said. Oh,
Starting point is 00:30:37 OK, well, part of that. OK, well, that that, too, that I'm going to stay doing just whatever you just said for me to do. And I mother fucking love you on game. Brandon Holden said, when in the history of the game has rev went back and changed the penalty. I've never seen it before. Also, Beckett started to turn the ball over a little bit too much for my liking.
Starting point is 00:31:01 But we got the win. Go, dogs. Yeah, I haven't seen it. Has it ever happened before at any level? Collegiate, NFL? Oh Joe, I'm sure it has. I mean, oh Joe, we've seen it, oh, we've seen, yeah, officials pick up the flag, there's no penalty on the plate.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. But, not when you already done marked it off. Oh yeah, and called it what it was. Yeah, you done marked it off, you done moved the ball. Right. And now they throw trash on the field, you get together, you huddle up.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Oh, that wasn't a penalty. Yeah, we made the wrong call. Yeah. Yeah. No, that wasn't the penalty. Yeah, we made the wrong call. Yeah. Yeah. No, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. Not in my lifetime I haven't. Kipper Norwood Jr. said,
Starting point is 00:31:59 Oh, and my question is who's better Alabama quarterback Mill Road or athletic wise? Well Mill Road is better. Mill Road is better athletically, two is a better quarterback. Who's better Alabama quarterback Melrose to athletic wise well Melrose better Melrose better athletically to is a better quarterback. Yeah. Yeah to a tour came move back there now Melrose has better athleticism, but to is a better with a better We'll have to see what Melrose gonna be in the NFL But to is a way better college quarterback The two is that's not even close. They're not even the same stratosphere.
Starting point is 00:32:37 Uh, little Steelers hurricane youth football org says what do Cam ward has to do to be taken over should do it. Cam is going ballistic. Hey, that's a good one right there. Cause both are playing really well. Yeah. Both are playing really, really, really well. Really well. I think the thing is when you evaluate a quarterback,
Starting point is 00:32:59 Right. You gotta project. There has to be some projections. Right. Three to five years. Who do you think will be better? Depends on where they go. Well, that's always.
Starting point is 00:33:13 But even so in that projections, I got to project that I believe that quarterback A will be better than quarterback B. Right. Quarterback B will be better than quarterback C. Yeah. I don't think that's all you got because we've seen Shador when he played well at Jackson state and said, well, he's doing that because he's a big fish in a small pond.
Starting point is 00:33:34 He goes to Colorado and he puts a very impressive numbers. Same thing. Yeah. So I don't really know what else he can do. He's playing at a power five school. He's putting up good numbers. Uh, he can flat out spin it. He throws with a great, he throws with great anticipation is
Starting point is 00:33:50 anticipatory skills next level. Great ball placement. I think sometimes he does hold onto the ball a little too long, but that's something that, you know, we can work with this son. It's okay. It's okay to throw the ball away. They have to see another day. Make sure we live to see another day. Make sure you don't take us out of field goal range, because, you know,
Starting point is 00:34:14 sometimes, you know, quarterbacks, we got a 40 yard field goal. You take a sack. Now you've taken us out of field goal range. Right. But. It's going to be very interesting to see. I mean, a lot of a lot of draft boards now have Shador as the number one quarterback. So it's just going to be interesting. I think it's going to be who's selecting in the spot and what appeals to you. Right. Because at the end of the day, Ocho, it's all about your choice. I mean, we already know, you know, you got a type
Starting point is 00:34:45 You like light-skinned Dominican hair. That would you like curvy body? That's what you like. That's that's your choice Oh shape you don't shape Oh shake up our shape Take a bad shape. I like that You know Shake up that shake. Shake up that shake. I like that. You know, you know, you know what? You know, you got you kind of wrong. You kind of wrong. But I like, you know, I like when I open a pack of a pack of Skittles, right? Yeah, I don't pick and choose with colors.
Starting point is 00:35:18 I eat. I'm I'm for the dollar. You know, I'm looking at your I'm looking at your resume. Well, if you look at my resume, just look at my kids. No, I've been I've been I've been dipping. I've been dipping in and heavy chocolate. I know by the last three, maybe two, three, two. I know what you don't know. I know about them. Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, that though. Tell me, tell me, tell me. Oh shit.
Starting point is 00:35:46 Tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me, tell me. No, no, no. That could be off air. I told you. I was here when I was way up. Hey, but listen, you know what? It don't count though. It don't count. Because if I don't go public, then it ain't never happen. Oh, it happen. Nah. If I ain't. Oh, it happen. If it wasn't public, it ain't happen.
Starting point is 00:36:05 I would you next time be you together. Yeah, you will let you go say, oh, how you find out? Now, I'm a I'm not really that that that wasn't me. You know that, but that will be our little secret. You know, for for a nominal fee, I'll be able to keep it on the hush. I didn't keep that thing. Listen, long, long as it's old. I ain't finna mess up my nephew and my niece happy home.
Starting point is 00:36:33 Oh, nah, nah, you know, what is home? Listen. Where she at? By the way, where Real at? Man, she back with 30 girls, man, they in Turkey. She still in Turkey, Keiko? Man, they done went back for a birthday. When was Ray's birthday?
Starting point is 00:36:49 Day before yesterday. Day before yesterday, 17th? On the 16th, oh, my back, 16th. Okay, my daughter's on the 15th. Oh, for real? Yep. My dad's on with the 14th and my grandma's on with the 13th.
Starting point is 00:37:02 Woo-hoo! Well, you back to back to back, boy! Back to back to back, yep. Back to back to back, yup. Yeah, they out there, man, it's about 20, 20, 27 of them out there. You shoulda told me. Me and you coulda took a trip over there, old chump. I ain't goin' over, it's work time, bro.
Starting point is 00:37:14 I don't want none of that. Okay, that's what I like to hear. See, I like to hear it. That's me, we grindin'. I don't know how the WiFi work over there in Turks. I'm good. I told you. I told you.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Don't ask me to go nowhere until after Super Bowl. Oh, y'all hear that chant? Now that's the old show I'm talking about. That's the old show I've been looking for. That's the old show I've been looking for right now. I ain't going nowhere. You like me, dog, where ain't nothing happening.
Starting point is 00:37:43 Unless, you know, it's work related. That's it. Because I just got back from I just got back from L.A. today. Left yesterday back. Just got back from New York on Thursday. L.A. today. Back back to L.A. on Tuesday. Then to Atlanta. Back then back to New York. Oh, you think that's bad.
Starting point is 00:38:01 What's what's the date today? Watch this. Watch 19 today to 19. Right. Yeah. We think that's bad. What's the date today? Watch this. 19th. Today to 19th, right? Yep. We got nightcap tomorrow. Yep. I fly to Philly. Then the next day I fly to Houston. I do inside NFL. I fly to Houston for my daughter's coronation. She won. She's homecoming queen at Preview A&M. Right. I leave Preview A&M Wednesday.
Starting point is 00:38:24 No, I fly in Wednesday. I leave the following morning for Thursday night football in L.A. So I'm going from Houston to L.A. After the Thursday night football, I got a flat Friday morning back to Miami to work the MLS game, commentate analysts. So from there after Friday, I fly back to Houston again Saturday for the homecoming game. Prairie View is playing, I forgot who they playing, Saturday. I got nightcap, nightcap. I'm back to Vegas on the 31st. I go from Vegas back to Miami, nightcap, nightcap, then back to
Starting point is 00:39:01 Philly again. Yeah. And that's my that's my month. That's my month of the finish off October. Yeah, I see. It means that my you know, they messed up my what you call my workout schedule. Oh, I get my I would just get right. Yeah, I get more work out in no matter where I'm at. If I got to wake up early, I get in it. If I'm traveling, I wake up a little earlier,
Starting point is 00:39:24 but an hour, hour before I got to be in. I I get in there. If I'm traveling, I wake up a little earlier, but our hour before I got to be in. I'm getting that workout in right now. I'm about about to 15 right now. Minus 15 minus 35. Sheldon Post said who will win any type of two on two competition between Unc and John Ocho and Carson? Well, and what comment in any anything competitive? Yeah, basketball, bowling, tennis, racquetball, handball. I mean, John and Unc wouldn't beat me and Carson in nothing. Chess, Connect Four.
Starting point is 00:40:06 Nah, John gonna beat y'all in chess. I'm gonna beat you in checkers. Checkers, Spades, Punk, Uno. Y'all wouldn't beat us in nothing. Ocho, first of all. Shooting dice, playing C-Lo. First of all, Ocho, y'all don't even play Spades. Y'all don't play Spades at PWIs.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Who, I ain't gonna know PWI. So we play spades at black colleges. You have to be a spade ologist. What do you mean? I'm from a, I grew up at, I've been playing space since 1973. What did you talk about? Y'all didn't even play spades. So we have spades tournaments. We had spades tournaments. Y'all have no space.
Starting point is 00:40:45 Nothing. We just talked, man. I want, when I was locked up, I won the space tournament in jail. What you talking about? So with that being, would that be a say it? Yeah. Uno.
Starting point is 00:41:03 If they got to do, do they got to draw 50 now in Uno? I don't like the fact that they gentrifying Uno. I don't like that. They got too many, all these new, all these new goddamn rules, they tripping. Yeah, but y'all be, they be doing too much. You can't drop, they be dropping like three, four, draw fours back to back.
Starting point is 00:41:26 No, you can't do that. That's not how you play the game. Huh? They got a, Uno got a draw 100 now, Ocho. Yeah, see, they messing up the game. I want them to. I played original Uno. I'm not playing all that new gentrified.
Starting point is 00:41:42 What you doing? And I'm quitting. playing all that new that new gentrified. And I quit. Somebody drop a drop or draw 100 on me. I'm quit. I'm out. I draw no damn hundred. That day, I did the whole day. How the hell you going to win a game? And unless unless, you know, you got to figure out, you go have some
Starting point is 00:42:01 draw tens and draw 20s up in there. Everybody go get the half. But you got it. So how many cards in the deck? 500. Yeah, I don't like that. The original game before all these new rules and all this new stuff and having new cards, you write down what you want to put on them. Like the game moves very, very fast. If you know how to play uno the right way, when people that play uno the right way,
Starting point is 00:42:30 all that new stuff is just it is unnecessary and it slows the game down tremendously. And Uno is supposed to be a fast game. It is. What's up, Uncle Ben? Following you since Undisputed. Huge playing. Wish we met. Wish we meet. Wish to meet you one day. I know you've done it, but can you give the summary of the type of impact Lawrence Taylor had between what's up, Ocho, love you. He's the greatest defensive player ever.
Starting point is 00:42:55 He, the T.J. Watts, the Vaughn Millers, the Michael Parsons, all those guys, the Derrick Thomas's, the Cornelius Bennett's, all those guys that kept, that's because of him. He made two, he's the only player that made two positions faint He made the outside linebacker and he made the left tackle famous Yeah, because if you didn't have a left tackle you couldn't beat the Giants Yeah, sometimes Washington what you could beat him You damn sure you had to be premier.
Starting point is 00:43:27 Joe gives installed an office just to deal with Lawrence Taylor. That's crazy. They added the H back, which was an extra tight end to deal with him. The chop, the strip sack. It wasn't good enough for LT to knock your quarterback down. He's like, well, hell I'm back here now. Let me get the ball. Let me see if I can get the ball. He started that chop He he is the
Starting point is 00:43:53 You don't go past LT I mean look they might be okay, maybe Reggie Maybe but LT is generally thought of as the greatest defensive player to have ever played in the National Football League ever And deservedly so thought of as the greatest defensive player to have ever played in the National Football League. Ever. And deservedly so. He was that good. He was, he was that everything that you hear about LT, whoever you think your best defensive player is, LT was better. So whoever you think about whoever the greatest defensive player that you laid eyes on, and
Starting point is 00:44:23 I'm, I'm old enough to remember I was playing the league when Reggie White was in his prime, when Brucie was in his prime. I'm talking about all the premier defensive guys, Cortez, Kennedy, Time, Ray Lewis, Earle. I was in the league with all of them. It was different. 56. Derrick Thomas. And I've seen some good, I've seen some great defensive play I'm
Starting point is 00:44:47 talking great I mean a lot of guys that I played against on that hundred anniversary team yeah 56 the original LT he'll he'll He's him. He's him. Donnell Thompson. Oh, can we get a shout out in Maryland turks beating USC. Damn USC. Oh, they about to fire Lincoln Riley. Stanger Langer about to go.
Starting point is 00:45:16 He ain't gonna finish the season. And why are you not a Georgia fan? What's the story? Hey, congrats turks beating USC. Damn. Man, Link, they about tops beating USC. Damn man. Link. They're about to get you up out of there, bro. Yeah. You got to turn that thing around fast, faster, faster than normal. Yeah, man. You know what? I've never been a Georgia Bulldog fan.
Starting point is 00:45:36 No. Are you in the Georgia? You from right down the street? I have cause everybody man, look at man, everybody be playing that damn song. Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, man, look at, if you, man, look at, hey, man, they love them bulldogs, man. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Man, would they be playing ultra man? Hey, you see them thing line up on 95 and 16, headed, headed up, no, not 95, where they be coming down, 95, going. The crossover get on 16 and head to Georgia. And you gotta realize, I was growing up when Georgia was at that height. I'm talking when they had Hershel Walker and Buck Ballou
Starting point is 00:46:22 and Lindsey Scott. Yeah. Yeah, Tron Jackson, they had Herschel Walker and Buck Ballou and Lindsay Scott. Yeah. Yeah. Tron Jackson, they had all them. Yeah. When they had Coach Dooley, they were winning the national championship. They played for the national championship. They won the national championship Herschel's freshman year. And then they lost, I think. Two years later to Penn State.
Starting point is 00:46:43 Yeah. No, I mean, I look, I like her. Yeah, no. I mean, I look, I like her. I like her. But now. King Govine between zero to 100, what are the chances my bears make the soup bowl one zero and smooth bow? One. You're rolling a hundred? Yeah. Listen, I mean, Caleb Williams is coming along really well as opposed to how he looked at the beginning of the season.
Starting point is 00:47:15 I give you a five. One. Hold on. In the next 10 years? Or are you talking about this year? Dude, if you even think about this year, I know he ain't think about this year. That's why I gave him a one.
Starting point is 00:47:34 I gave him a five. I wanna give him some hope. I couldn't say zero, cause zero ain't no hope. Does he realize like Detroit and Minnesota is in his division? Woo. Hey, it's a good one. Hello. Oh Joe. Let me take that back
Starting point is 00:47:50 Minnesota Green Bay and Detroit All them ballin to yes Rolling Damn, it's a good game tomorrow, man. I can't remember who it is. Oh Detroit and the Vikings Mm-hmm Detroit play the Vikings. Oh, that's gonna be a good one boy I can't wait the game Monday night. You got the 49ers play uh, and the city Kansas City Yes, you know spag you know how to spag know how to deal with them Make sure the lad the last two games they owe did the 49ers on to a what's gonna be the difference now?
Starting point is 00:48:23 The last two games, the 49ers are 0-2. What's gonna be the difference now? They say the Bears gonna have a better record than the Bengals. They bet whoever said that won't put no money on it. You always try to bet somebody. Yeah, my bets be small. I don't bet nothing over $100. Lainey Ray says, hey guys,
Starting point is 00:48:44 what do you miss most about playing football? Competing and practicing. Locker room? Competing and practicing. Who put that there? Who is that? Who grandma got with her on the screen? Who that was? I don't know. What you mean? Are you not going to know who that was? I don't know. What you mean?
Starting point is 00:49:05 Are you not going to know who that is? You didn't see that on the screen? Who grandma was that on the screen? That's Ms. Nikki Grant. Hey, that was cool. Tell him come back. No, don't come back. I missed the locker room. Don't come back.
Starting point is 00:49:29 I missed the locker room. I missed, I just missed the comradery with the guys. That's what I missed. Yeah. I didn't miss the paychecks. I didn't miss the crowd. I didn't miss, I didn't miss anything. I just missed the guys. I just missed having fun,
Starting point is 00:49:43 just bulljab with the guys in the locker room in the training room on the before practice on the on the bus the plane rides That's what I miss I miss practice I miss competing in practice and Creating bulletin board material through the media each week That's it. I miss practice, man. Bam, I'm in some fun days.
Starting point is 00:50:11 What you laughing at, Jordan? Somebody grab my pop-it before the screen, you saw it. You saw it. Oh. Somebody go get y'all, you get y'all a privileges revolt. Balls lady said, my daddy said, kiss the same frog, you're fishing in the same pond. I date a person, not the persona. Make cuts, make cut offs easy.
Starting point is 00:50:38 Have y'all dated the type or do you go out of your norm? What are the three must haves? Three must have, pretty feet, good credit. It ain't got nothing to do with me. You ain't gotta have no feet. Listen, pretty feet, good credit, you got to have something going on. Pretty feet, good credit, got your hay. Got your hay, little jar.
Starting point is 00:51:05 Got your hay. Just a little motion. You ain't got to have much. Just a little motion. Just a little bit. You get your little motion. I can add to that. You ain't got nothing going on.
Starting point is 00:51:16 That means your liability. I can't do nothing with that. I did. I can't say. Uh. I did. I used to have a type for real? Yeah. Well everybody have a type and a preference. You about to make me curfew over here man. Everybody got a type and a preference. Yeah. Oh I know you got one. With me? You! I'm talking to you all the time.
Starting point is 00:51:44 Yeah. I got a preference as long'm talking to you all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a preference. Long as it's pink on the inside. That's it. Oh Lord, have mercy. I told you what I like, Ocho. What? I like my women.
Starting point is 00:51:56 That's how I like hoo-ha. I like feet at the bottom, hoo-ha at the top of the legs. That's all I need them to have. If they got those two things, let's rock and roll. Hell no. No, I mean, at one point in time, it was like, like 5'10", like 150 to 175. I've always liked curvy women. Right, right, right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:52:25 Then as I got older, I mean, you know, it started to be like the corn fed from the Midwest, they started being six foot, 200, 205. Yeah. Oh, that's why you know me. Hey, old bowling ball shape, knock him down. Wow. So, it just depends, oh just depends, it all depends. It's a vibe that you feel when you with somebody like, okay.
Starting point is 00:52:54 Yeah. And you know, I don't even pick no more. I just choose who choose me. That's what I'm going to now. You know? Too many times, you know, as fellas, you know, we chasing people that we want and not really paying attention to those who want us. Hey, that's how you got to pick them.
Starting point is 00:53:14 If you're chasing something, if you're chasing something and you're doing everything to get not that ain't that ain't that ain't what's that. Ain't that. Hey, choose who like you, you're talking about, Joe. Huh? Choose who like you, not who you like every time. Well, now it took me it took me a while to learn that. Yeah, it took me a long time to learn that. Oh, yeah, but you know, hey, hey, hey, woman, hey, woman be killing me out to buy
Starting point is 00:53:39 apply pressure, apply. What? Who? Apply what? I put pressure. Hey, what you want? You want half court or full court? Cause I just need to know what you need on your- Cause I picked that thing, hey, hey. I picked that off the glove.
Starting point is 00:53:54 I picked that thing, hey, 94. I'm 94 feet all the way up, all the way up and down. I like her look. Oh, hey, I like curvy women. I like women that work out. Yeah, I love I love a workout body. I love it. Hold on. Now when you say workout body, you mean like, like competing or no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. No. No, no, you ain't got to compete. I mean, some of those wellness women now you like, whoo, losing those hamstrings. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I just don't like it to go too far to feel like. I get you.
Starting point is 00:54:36 I'm with you. Well, I'm touching you and you feel like me. Like I don't want you to feel like me. You shouldn't have eight abs like I don't want you to feel like me. You shouldn't have you shouldn't have eight like I do. I say, yes, sir. You know, yeah. Hey, let me get me in trouble.
Starting point is 00:54:59 You try to get me in trouble. But I must have teeth. I don't think I'm asking too much. I ain't saying you gotta have 32, but damn. Oh. Oh. Oh. Is that, oh Joe, is that asking too much?
Starting point is 00:55:24 Hey, you say she ain't gotta have all 32 teeth. Yeah, she got to have all 32. Give me a good give me a good 2526. God damn. It long as they didn't front. Hey, I ain't saying look like no jack-o-lantern. Oh, my god. Man, damn. Hell, no. Hell, no. Okay. But if if you missing, Ocho, if you missing a couple of jaw teeth, you know, I get, hey, like when you smile, and I can't see that it's missing, we good.
Starting point is 00:56:13 Right, right. You know, but if I'm kissing you and I run my tongue back and say, oh damn, you missing one back here, huh? I'm cool with that, Ocho. I'm cool. I ain't too picky. Hey, you could buy a little implant. Get a little implant. Implants expensive, old Joe. You don't get implants by $5,000 a tooth. Oh, that ain't nothing to you. Huh?
Starting point is 00:56:38 Well, you got that. That ain't nothing. God, that was funny. Well, I'm gonna need that back. Now you lean. I'm gonna need over that was what I need that back. Now you lean out, we need to implement back. You got to go back. You got to go back to be.
Starting point is 00:56:51 You got to go back to be a snag or two. You ever say you're going to take my three or four airplane with you. Oh, no, oh, no. Well, no. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Granckowski. Guess what folks, We're teammates again. And we're gonna welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm a dude, you're a dude, and Dudes on Dudes is our brand new show.
Starting point is 00:57:33 We're gonna highlight players, peers, guys that we played against, legends from the past, and we're just gonna sit here and talk about them. And we'll get into the types of dudes. What kind of types of dudes are there, girls? We got studs, wizards. We got freaks. Or dudes dudes.
Starting point is 00:57:47 We got dogs. Dogs. We'll break down their games. We'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. Is Randy Moss a stud or a freak? Is Tom Brady a dog or a dudes dude? We're going to find out, Jules.
Starting point is 00:58:03 New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to dudes on dudes on the I heart radio app Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Muhammad Ali George Foreman James Brown BB King Miriam Makibe I shook up the world. Jane Brown says and the kids said I'm black and I'm proud black boxing stars and black music royalty together in the heart of Zaire, Africa.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Three days of music and then the boxing event. What was going on in the world at the time made this fight as important that anything else is going on on the planet. My grandfather laid on the ropes and let George Foreman basically just punch himself out. Welcome to Rumble, the story of a world in transformation. The 60s and prior to that, you couldn't call a person black.
Starting point is 00:58:54 And how we arrived at this peak moment. I don't have to be what you want me to be. We all came from the continent of Africa. Listen to Rumble, Ali, Foreman, and the Soul of 74 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports, where we live at the intersection of sports and culture. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry.
Starting point is 00:59:28 Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. I know I'll go down to history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Every great player needs a foil. I ain't really in here them boys. I just come here to play basketball every single day and that's what I focus on. From college to the pros, Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Angel Reese is a joy to watch. She is unapologetically black. I love her.
Starting point is 00:59:51 What exactly ignited this fire? Why has it been so good for the game? And can the fanfare surrounding these two supernovas be sustained? This game is only going to get better because the talent is getting better. This new season will cover all things sports and culture. Listen to Naked Sports on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The Black Effect Podcast Network is sponsored by Diet Coke. Immigration, reproductive rights, why former first lady Michelle Obama
Starting point is 01:00:24 will never run for president, reproductive rights, why former first lady Michelle Obama will never run for president, affordable housing, exactly the type of discussions you'd expect on a sports podcast, am I right? Only if you listen to Spolitics, a new sports and political podcast hosted by me, Jemele Hill, a sports journalist who has spent years writing about and discussing the intersection between sports, politics, race, gender and culture. Join me every Thursday as I discuss, debate and dissect the hottest and sometimes most
Starting point is 01:00:52 controversial, political and social issues with some of the biggest names and smartest people all through the lens of sports. So here's the assignment. Listen to Spolitics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts because on Spolitics, no one is told to just shut up and dribble. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On every season of my podcast Against the Rules, I take a broad look at various characters in American life.
Starting point is 01:01:26 The referee. The coach. The expert. My next season is all about fans and what the rise of sports betting is doing to them, to the teams, and even to my family. I'm heading to Las Vegas and New Jersey and beyond to understand America's newest form of legalized gambling. Listen to Against the Rules on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen
Starting point is 01:01:51 to podcasts. Yeah, you know like volleyball, you know like volleyball players they have great they have great bonds on Joe. They got leg, they have leg. Yeah, volleyball player. Obviously track and field. Yeah, they got crazy, they got crazy body, but they tiny, they small. Yeah, very, very small. I mean me like, let me ask somebody like throw the shot, the discus. Yeah, like that.
Starting point is 01:02:26 Yeah, they healthy. They real healthy. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But like a good athlete, somebody go to the gym like three, four times a week. Nice set of wheels. Right, right, right, right. So, Ocho say feet, I'll say teeth.
Starting point is 01:02:48 What if the. The teeth got to have some going on. Just just something like I remember when I was older and you know, you're getting your money and you're willing to deal with anything. Yeah. No matter what you got going on, you're willing to deal with anything. As you as you get older, you understand. It's it's it's it's just too much of a liability. It's just it's too much.
Starting point is 01:03:15 You always got to be on like you always got to be on always. Like someday, like if what if you're having a bad day? What if something happened due to unfortunate? Circumstances that individual has nothing that they can do for you nothing Yeah, so as I got older it was more important to have someone that has some going on as well Just in case of emergency. You know what I ain't got it today. I Ain't got it today. I ain't got it today. Even though I do. Can you help me if I ain't got it today? If I got $100 and I need
Starting point is 01:03:54 200, can you give me $100? I'm just using that number as just a hypothetical. Yeah. Yeah. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I ain't I ain't mad at you. Yeah, man. I don't know. And that came with age. It took it took time for me to get to that point. Oh, yeah. When you're young, you ain't think about nothing. You ain't think about no money. And she can live up.
Starting point is 01:04:12 Hey, when I was younger, she could live up on the bridge. I go pick her ass up every day. Oh, yes. Well, you look good. I got you. Yeah, that's it. That's it. You look good. I got you. But that that should go out there. Well, you get back over 40. That's out the That's it. I got you but that that shit go out there. Well, you you get back over 40 As out the window but still one of that the whole on that hold on let's not get carried away though
Starting point is 01:04:31 So you still got to look you come on that I still ain't pretty total looks totally out the window Hell no Hey, you got to have something going on. Oh, no, just so So hey, you have something Let me hold you over the bouncer. You got that? And let me stop. People are going to be thinking of that.
Starting point is 01:04:56 They are shallow. Shallow. And I'm just joking with you all. Oh, no, but I just say the thing is, look, you like guys. You like what you like. Women, you like what you like women you like what you like Some women hey, I'm too. I'm too muscular. I'm too much. They don't like that. Okay fine I ain't everybody cup of tea and I'm okay with that. Yeah. Yeah, everybody don't want somebody, you know, 260 pounds muscular Okay And you know, some people like that, you know, they like, you know,
Starting point is 01:05:28 man, you ain't got no dad by. Yeah, well, I'm supposed to. And that's why they all come down and preface it. Everybody's preference is different. Everyone's preference is different. And I hate when people get upset by people's preferences. I know you like what you like. That's OK. That's what that's what it is.
Starting point is 01:05:48 I don't get mad at anybody for liking what they like. Oh, Joe, you know, hey, well, you can't go. No, I can't go. Go walk. No. Here with you. I can't go to Runyon Canyon. I can't go climb. No, no, no, no. Here's one on let me. Yeah. They know. So I know this to be. So ain't no sense to be, ooh, I'm gonna do all that, I'm gonna do all that. I ain't finna do none of that.
Starting point is 01:06:09 Right. I'm not finna go walk with you. I'm not finna go to Runyon Canyon. I'm not finna climb no mountain with you, go no trail. I'm not finna do that. I'm not even finna lie and tell you that I am, to impress you.
Starting point is 01:06:22 Ooh, he say he gon', I'm not, that ain't me. No. I am to impress you. Oh, he's a go. I'm not that ain't me No, I'll start with you though I'm going on vacation. Okay. I'm going on vacation you yep when When the season over I'm giving a couple of day. I need I need like two three days go somewhere Yeah, I'm going I'm going so I'm going on vacation, too Where we going? I don't know where you going. I know I'm getting a couple of days. I need I need like two three days go somewhere. Yeah, I'm going I'm going on vacation, too Where we going? I don't know where you going. I know I'm going where you going I'm going over to Europe to watch a few games and hop from city to city. Oh No
Starting point is 01:06:59 No, hell no, I Did you know what I'm gonna go somewhere I'm going you know somewhere. I'm going. You know what? I'm going by myself. You know, take nobody with you. No. What about leaving my phone and I'm leaving my phones? What about Michelle? As you go, you'll be able to get a hold of me. You can't do that. Guess what? Guess what?
Starting point is 01:07:19 As you go, be able to call me to about you busy. No, I be busy because you're going to be able to get a hold of me. Well, if you're on vacation, like, well, you could do that two, three days. Yeah. Yeah, I don't need to. I don't need but to. That's it?
Starting point is 01:07:40 That's it. Well, you must not be going too far. No, well, how long it take? I count two days. So basically, I'm going to stay there two days. Once I get there, I'm there two days. It ain't going to take more than a day to get somewhere. OK, yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:55 The farthest I'm going, I'm going by six to eight hours. OK, that's good. That's good. That's it. Just to recharge my batteries and everything. You know what I'm saying? You know, get reinvigorated. I like it. That's all I got. Look what I got.
Starting point is 01:08:18 I mean, I can't tell nobody. I ain't finna go nowhere no 10 days. Ain't no sense in me lying to somebody. 10? Who the hell travel that long? That's what I'm saying. Hell, I ain't even got a week in 10 days. Ain't no sense in me lying to somebody. 10? Who the hell travel that long? That's what I'm saying. Hell, I ain't even got a week in me. I got three days max.
Starting point is 01:08:29 I don't care where I'm at in the world. Three days. You know, and they better not go through my bag and get them rubies up out of there because they trying to get those sparks out yo. I bet if they confiscate that, I got to turn around and come back. Hold on, you say you were traveling by yourself what you need the sparks for? You know hey don't tell her you don't buy what a native over there or something might be walking
Starting point is 01:08:56 I might be in the jungle or something. Man you know I can't go that far O. I ain't gonna be sitting here like, I just say, I just look, I know God working on me, but I ain't really got the patience to sit that still. Yeah. I mean, I be, I, I fly somewhere, it's only an hour. I be like, damn, we 30 minutes in, like, man, when we gonna land?
Starting point is 01:09:32 Hey, hey, I hit the car the car hey I hit the ding dong. Did I let the flight attend to come? Yes Mr. Sharper I may help you. I was like uh what time did we schedule to land? Oh the flight was scheduled for uh an hour so we've been we've been 20 minutes in and I'm like, damn. See like, Bad Ocho, I'll be getting paid you man. Hey, I be good. I get, once I can turn that wifi on, I get the tweeting, I'm good. The worst thing Ocho, is our wifi ain't working. Yeah, that sucks. Now that sucks.
Starting point is 01:10:05 That sucks. Man, that sucks. Now that sucks. That sucks. Man, that killed me, Ocho. Yeah, that sucks. But see, like, the thing is now is that Shelly's put everything in, so I ain't gotta put nothing in there. All I gotta do is like get the Delta to come up and then go right to it.
Starting point is 01:10:19 Cause man, I had the hardest time, man. I'd be giving flight attendants 20, 30, 40 dollars. Can I borrow your internet? Put it in here, put it in my phone hey can you uh can you let me have your Wi-Fi give you $40 right oh yeah it's like uh you know I said I said I don't really know how to work. I said, I can't get it on. Well, they ain't. Your weapon alert is like, don't worry about it.
Starting point is 01:10:52 The lady took my phone. She put a wifi. They said, here you go, Mr. Sharp. Yeah. I said, thank you. I said, I got another one too here. She put a wifi password on both of my phones. I said, thank you.
Starting point is 01:11:03 Cause boy, man with with no Wi-Fi. Yeah, it hurt. Why it hurt? Is anything any flight over two hours with no Wi-Fi? Man, anything over an hour. Dr. Frank, a Bellamy said, guys, this is random. But would you rather have the ability to control fire or water? Water.
Starting point is 01:11:31 Yeah, water, cause I wanna be able to part the sea, I wanna be able to part the sea like Moses. I don't wanna part nothing, but I want y'all to pay me $500 for a gallon of water. 500? I wanna be the richest man. I control water. All of it I got. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:11:50 You want some water? Gallon calls you 500. Nah. Okay, thirst. What you gonna drink? I control water. I wanna be like Poseidon. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:07 Okay. Let me know how that work out for you. I want to be able to create tsunamis, tidal waves, 150 feet wave so I can go surfing. The only surf you do is surf and turf. You ain't getting no 140 foot wave. Huh? I surf.
Starting point is 01:12:29 I used to surf at Venice Beach when I was in Santa Monica. Patrick Arthur said, Uncle Nocho, come to Sioux Falls. I found my car with a gold chain in it. We lie. Amen. Damn. Sioux Falls, that's Iowa, huh? the gold check in it. We lie. Amen. Damn. Too far. That's Iowa. Oh, wait, South Dakota, South Dakota. Yeah, I'm tripping.
Starting point is 01:12:54 Now. You find out what kind of car you got. Two faults. Malik Johnson, what's up, Uncle Nocho? What's the play in your professional career that you regret that you still think about today? I dropped a two-point conversion against Jacksonville in 1996 I dropped a touchdown in the South End zone a two yard that would have given us home field advantage throughout the playoffs damn Still think about it.
Starting point is 01:13:27 I think the play, I think without the play against the Raiders, I don't think I became what I became because I became obsessed. I came even more focused, even make it a play that would change the trajectory of the Broncos. And so I got put in those situations
Starting point is 01:13:44 that I was able to make those plays. But those are two plays right there that I've never forgotten. South Dakota, that's where Sturges is, right? Sturges is in South Dakota. The rally, where they have the motorcycles, where they have all the Harleys are up there? That's that's that's a South Dakota. And and Mount Rushmore. That's the only thing I know about really South Dakota.
Starting point is 01:14:18 About the cold. Huh? Huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what I know. I know the Sturges and I know my Rushmore. That's about all I know about. Obviously, I know it's a state, but I don't know much about it. I'm sure they play got plenty of buffalo. That's what I need to go do. I need to run with the buffalo or the bison.
Starting point is 01:14:56 No, you talk about in Pamplona running with the bulls. Now, I did that already. I ran with the bulls already. I want to run with with bison like at Yellowstone Park. So you you ask you asking for trouble. No, they tell you to stay. They told you to stay your butt away from those animals. Stay within 100. Stay with within a don't get within 100 feet of the animals.
Starting point is 01:15:20 I'm I'm an animal whisperer. I connect with the animals in the wild. OK, I connect with the animals. I'm an animal whisperer. I connect with the animals in the wild. Okay. I connect with the animals. I'm not saying I'm Ace Ventura, but I have a certain connection in an aura and chemistry when it comes to wildlife. I don't know what it is. Okay. Okay, I'll take your word for it. Let me know. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite, Shannon Sharp. He is from Liberty City, a bingo ring of fame honoree, a pro bowler, an all pro. He's Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson.
Starting point is 01:15:57 Just call him Ocho. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Make sure you hit that like button and do us a favor. Go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support, your continued support. Make sure you go check out Shade by La Portier. We have it in stock. Our goal is to be in between 14 and 16 states by the end of the year.
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Starting point is 01:17:17 Hopefully by the middle of next week everybody will have received their merchandise. Thank you again for your support and we greatly, greatly appreciate that. The number five Georgia Bulldogs take down the number one Texas Longhorns 30 to 15. Colorado is one win away from being bold eligible as they beat Arizona on the road 34 to 7. Alabama lost on the road to Tennessee. Number 11 Tennessee takes down the number seven Alabama Crimson Tide 24-17. Miami keeps winning. They won 52-45 behind Cav Wars 21-32, 3-19, four touchdowns, no turnover. Brady Cook returned from the hospital to lead number 19, Mizzou Tiger, who had come from behind went over Auburn. They were down 17-6. He rallied them and they went the ball. Good. Excuse me.
Starting point is 01:18:10 Arizona State, Kenny Dillingham, he apologized for his kicker. He said they were having trials for kicking for a field goal kicker for the Arizona State Wildcats. Excuse me, the Sun Devils. And he apologized because he put his kicker on blast. He said, when you talk about special teams, basically it comes down to one player and we win and we lose as a team.
Starting point is 01:18:29 So he apologized for that. Thank you guys for joining us for Nightcap. I'm Uncle Heath Ocho. We'll see you tomorrow at the Sunday Night Football. Let's go Bengals. We out. The Volume. I'm Julian Edelman.
Starting point is 01:18:47 I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times from legends
Starting point is 01:19:05 to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age old question. What kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to dudes on dudes on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, it's Michael Lewis, author of Going Infinite, Moneyball, The Blind Side, and Liar's Poker. On the latest season of my podcast, Against the Rules, I'm exploring what it means to be a sports fan in America and what the rise of sports betting is doing to our teams, our states, and ourselves. Join me and listen to Against the Rules on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Open your free iHeart app and search Against the Rules.
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Starting point is 01:21:00 Well, the election is in the home stretch right in time for a new season of my podcast, Next Question. I'm bringing in some FOKs, friends of Katie's, to help me out like Ezra Klein, Jen Psaki, Ested Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun thanks to some of my friends like Samantha Bee and Charlamagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about?
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