Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Unc & Bun B react to Pusha T’s new track and rap beef with Travis Scott!

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

Shannon Sharpe & special guest Bun B react to Jalen Hurts saying he wants to keep his teammates around after getting big deal, Darren Waller decided to retire after being forced to be a fullback Noah Lyles cancels race against Tyreek Hills and much more!01:47 - Hurts concerned for his team after signing biggest deal in history05:30 - Waller decided to retire when Bills forced him to play fullback10:35 - Noah Lyles cancels race against Tyreek Hill23:00 - Pusha T’s new target: Travis Scott34:00 - Complex’s List of 30 corniest rap beefs42:41 - Timbaland blasted online1:00:00 - Mariah Carey doesnt believe in the passage of time or birthdays1:02:39 - Jadakiss still upset abt not making top 50 NY list1:06:40 - Q & Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make sure my team is around, he told his agent. How am I going to keep my team around? How are these guys still going to be paid? Nicole Lynn is his agent how am I going to keep my team around? How are these guys still going to be paid? Nicole Lynn is his agent. I think he's one of the handful of guys that have a Woman as an agent. She's a VP. I think she's a really high-ranking official at clutch sports the rich Paul Agency that he started Very fortunate enough to meet her and some girlfriends at the fight So I had a great conversation with her.

But you see, he's like, yeah, the highest paid. What good is the highest paid if we can't win? Because I'm trying to win championships and I know the team that I have around me because they're going to want paydays too. So I'm willing to take a little less and be able to keep X, Y and Z and PQ around as opposed to taking all this money and only be able to keep one or two of those guys around. You see his offensive line still intact. They were able to do something with Saquon.

They now they re-up, they re-signed Brown, they re-signed Devontae Smith. They gonna be good for a while. He understands he's not bigger than the program. You know what I'm saying? He understands that, yes, we're successful. And I may be the person that everybody focuses on because of the position I play. But anybody that understands this game, I get nowhere if we don't keep this old line intact.

Correct. And the real money is in repetition, being competitive, repetitiously, right? Being a contender in organizations. Year after year after year after year. And the only way to do that is to keep people. And you know, we've seen it done. We said, you know, in the Patriots, that was part of the structure.

Tom was like, nope, you know, give me all that money. I need this man, I need that guy, and I need those people here. You know what I'm saying? Because Jalen understands as the face of the organization, as the quarterback of the organization, I can get that money. We can go get that money through sponsorship deals and sneaker deals and all this stuff. We can get, we not the, the face of a Superbowl award winning team

is not hurting for money. He's not hurting for opportunities for money. He's seeing what that check was before that check for everything. And what that check is now, post-check. So if we want more money, we got to win more check. If I want to have more money and be a bigger force in this game,

I've got to win more championships. And in order to do that, there are certain pieces that have to remain. And if I got to take $20 million off of here to get 50 added later down there, let's run with it. I'm with that all day. That's the only way, the NFL is great at that. Because the NFL knows, you know what?

To generate new revenue, we've got to have new eyeballs. So we got to go, we got to find like, hey, I've got to be a part of this. So Jalen says, you know what, hey, I went another championship. People are going to say, advertisers, sponsors are going to say, man, I need a piece of him. I need him to represent my product. I need him to represent my brand. I need to attach my brand to Jalen Hurts. He understands it. And shout out to that brother too. I believe he got married this weekend. He did. Congratulations. I wish he would have called me.

I would have catered them burgers. I'm right here in Houston. I could have catered them burgers for him. Because I think he's from Houston, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We're very proud of that brother. Found one early when he didn't have a whole lot. Now he's got a lot.

He's locked step with him. I love that. that, brother. Found one early when he didn't have a whole lot. Now he's got a lot. He's locked step with him, I love that. Congratulations, Hertz. Darren Waller says he decided to retire after the Giants made him play fullback against the Bills. I sit down on the sideline after the drive where we ran it like three times. I'm like, what the bleep am I doing with my life?

I'm out here playing fullback? I don't even wanna do this issue anymore. Was that because he was forced into that position? Yep. And you telling me no one else wanted him to play him at his natural position at that point? Or did that team in that situation frustrate him so much against the direction of the game that he just didn't want to play anymore? That's what it seems like, because it's hard for me to believe that the guy is talented as he was,

but I think it has more to do with that he didn't, I don't think at that point in time he really loved the game anymore. So it's easy to start, it's easy to depart something when you don't love it. Now, if you have a good, there are very few times, a boy, you leave something, whether it's a party,

it's a concert, it's an event, it's church. If you're having a good time, you're more, you're less likely to leave. Now, if you bored, you're like, man, that is it for the birds. If you were in church, you throw that hand up and boy, you know, you get that, you, you put that digging ass hand up and going up out there. I've been saying like this, you ever, you ever got ready to go somewhere that you you put that digging their hand up and going about that thing I'm saying like this and you ever you ever got ready to go somewhere that you know What's gonna be the turn up? They did I got right now look we're gonna go in here. We'll have one drink I'm gonna say hi everybody. I want to be out of here by midnight

Right, and then you look at your wife. It's two in the morning You didn't have you just ordered three more Bob, but you know what bud I've also been a situation where I got dressed, and I'm like, man, why am I going? I already know it's gonna be some bull jive and take my clothes right on the path. I don't go to award shows really anymore. Me and my wife went to one, we was clean.

I went and bought me a Brioni suit, six racks. She had to slap your head to the floor. He had that Brioni. You heard that? He's that Brioni. Yeah, I said, I'm finna do it. I was like, with this award, I'm nominated. I wanna pop out.

Come on, baby, we finna pop out. Man, we had them tight ass shoes on and we ended up in line behind Mary J. Blige on the red carpet. Man, we took some pictures, we left. And as a couple, we haven't been to an award show yet, I've said it. Like it's too much, man, it is too much.

Yeah, I think, but I think the crux of this, I think he had kind of fallen out of love with the game of football. And now I'm looking, but you know how sometimes you can look for a reason not to do something? Oh, you know what? That's it right there. So him playing

fullback for three plays on one drive. Well just enough. We used to there was a time and I wasn't proud of it there was a time when UGK would tour and when you when your artists and you tour you put together what's known as a ride and a rider is everything that you want ready for you when you arrive in a city. It's typically what you want for your dressing room. But it also extends into the sound equipment, what kind of board we're sending the sound through,

what kind of speakers, you know what I'm saying? What does all of this look like? And there was a time when we had an airtight rider. And Chad's whole thing was every now and then we'd book a show where he knew they weren't going to have everything on the rider. And it's a deal breaker. Like if contractually, if I go to your city, you book me for a show and I say I need A through Z on there and you forget H, L and W, I can not perform and still get paid. Yes, you're absolutely right.

So there was a time when people like, oh man, I know they ain't gonna have it tonight. I know they not gonna have this, this, and that. They don't even know how to find that type of equipment. So I know they not gonna have this tonight. And I try to get with the Siren Man. I tell him, bro, you gotta spend a little bit more money because you don't spend a little bit more money, bro.

You gonna lose a lot of money. Because you got you got people that like you say, they looking for an excuse to go home. But let me ask you this, like, why would a football player, and I'm sure it's got to be several things, why would if that wasn't enough to really be to make a man want to quit the game, what would it be that would have frustrated Darren Wallets and not want to play? This is the guy that I used to drive for my fantasy football team all the time. The man was bound to do numbers. He was a good player. Is it not being paid properly?

Do you feel you know, he was paid properly? He was one of the highest paid players of the bunch, think about it. When he was motivated because he had some off the field issues, he did everything. He sacrificed, got his life in order to get back into the league because he had a desire to get in the league.

At that point in time, he no longer had a desire to stay in the league. And like you said, if I'm looking for a reason, I promise you, if I'm looking for a reason not to go somewhere, not to do something, I can find one. You very true. That's very true.

I've found one reason. It was that I'm looking for a reason to stay on this over in my draws and watch TV. Noah Lyles has canceled his race against Tyreek Hill in Times Square due to personal reasons. Keita ran 10, 1, 500 meters last week and trolled Liles with a response, response to Noah's Tyreek Canaver

signed after he ran to 60 meters in February. Noah Canaver. I don't understand this Noah Liles situation of protesting so much in public. Daph do protest too much. I don't, I don't get it. I don't get it. I guess because you know what?

I've never, it's got to be some new shit with the internet age. I've never seen Olympic champions like compare themselves to basketball players and all of that, right? It's no less prestigious. Let's be very clear because, you know. But we only see you once every four years, bro. Like, it's not, some of the best basketball players that ever played this game never got a shoot.

Yes! They never got a shoot. Yes! They never were picked out as one of the people that we want to put on a pedestal and parade through the press and all of this as a representative of that. Even if you were that,

look at the person that's been the biggest, highest level of representation in the space that you're in. Even when they got his shoe, it was because of culture more than anything. When you say Bolt got his shoe, it wasn't just because he was the fastest man in the world. Right? It was a cultural thing. He carried his country on his back.

You know what I'm saying? He was a larger than life personality. And he was winning by seconds. Right? Like not these high.800. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was no photo finish. No, no, not at all. He clearly dominated.

Shaqari clearly dominated. You know what I'm saying? Those people that get those shoes with, they're not question marks. And if you went around and asked people who's the fastest man in the world, a lot of them will probably still think you say both. Of course.

Because they're not tied into that. They were all, they're gonna, if you ask, you're not, first of all, you're not even the face of track and field bro knows Like no, let's go to Sydney McLaughlin. Let's start there Well, Sydney McLaughlin Lebron Right. So so if you not even that dude in your space Why are you comparing yourself to people who are certified Lee that dude in this space?

Okay, bro, calm down. When the last time you saw somebody with track spikes at the mall? I ain't seen nobody, I don't see them at the track. I see old people at the track. It's not America's pastime. No, it's not. You way down there.

You pass, you behind NASCAR. You behind NASCAR, first of all, it's football, and basketball, and baseball, and NASCAR, you behind NASCAR, first of all, it's football and basketball and baseball and NASCAR and women's soccer. You way on down the list, bro. And it's something, look, more now, and you see what they've done is that they have the Olympics every four years, and now they're having

the world championships. So people are following a little more. But bro, he's got to stop this hating on basketball players and say, well, they won't give me this. I mean, you got to go back. Really, only two guys I can think of has ever really had a shoe, and you really had to follow Track and Field to know that's

Michael Johnson and Usain Bolt. But you're talking about two of the greatest Olympians in the history of Track and Field. These were picked by Michael Johnson was an anomaly in track and field. Yes. Like it wasn't even a question. Like that was one of the surest bets in sports

for years, bro. Yes. Years, he was, he literally brought that sport to the forefront of America because of how dominant he was. You're not that guy in tracking field, bro like Tracking field I just want to be clear no disrespect to track and field athletes that ain't never been the pre the prima donnas of sports I've never been the pre

in this country Jesse always had to come back. He won. He won three gold medals. He came back and had to raise horses but so He came back and had to raise horses. But so, this fascination, because there's so many other things. You got baseball, you got football, you got basketball. In Jamaica, what are the... I'm trying to think, Jamaica, you got track and field. Track and field, and I think soccer. That's the biggest thing you got in Jamaica.

They don't play football. They don't play, they don't do tennis. Cricket. Cricket. Cricket,'t do tennis cricket cricket. Yeah, okay Yeah, yeah, that's a big thing But I'm saying though, but you know Noah is in a he's in a niche sport I don't understand. I don't understand why he feels Now all of a sudden that a track and field star is on the same Level like it's no disrespect to the athleticism, right?

We can't disrespect the athleticism of any of these Olympic athletes. We all understand what it takes to become who that brother has become. But your beef ain't with athletes, bro. Your beef is with two companies. Nobody's going to invest in a shoe that people aren't going to buy. Your beef ain't with athletes, bro. Your beef is with shoe competition. Nobody's going to invest in a shoe

that people aren't going to buy. Why they buy track shoes? One, because track shoes are only meant to be worn on court. And a track shoe is only makes you faster on the track. The track, of course. Yes, and that's the only place it applies. So a basketball player, yes, they will get shoes because people will buy their shoes,

put them on and go fucking play basketball. And guess what else they'll do? They'll walk in the street, you see them in the mall. They'll go to events in shoes. In tennis shoes. Shoes are just not for, basketball shoes are just their fashion statement. Now, you see guys at red carpet events.

You see guys at an award show. You see guys at awards shows. You see guys wearing sneakers. So... Yeah, that's the new thing is Tennis and Tucks. Tennis and Tucks. That's the new thing. But now he's tripping. But he started this long ago too, bud. And I didn't like it. Talk about, he's a world champion of what? The USA? Bro, come on, man. I think he trolling us bro. I think I think he trolling us I Think he trollers cuz he can't possibly believe that this is something That people are that there's a popular opinion that you're right that you know what he should be this no no I don't believe that believe other track people say shut up boy. You're gonna fuck this up for everybody else exactly Exactly and that bro you're not Usain.

Because Usain, Usain was universally loved everywhere. In China, in Jamaica, in America, it didn't matter what Usain was. Because he was a winner, he was a winner. And not, like you say, not just photo finish, Kentucky Derby shit. He was transcendent. We're gonna be talking about Usain Bolt 50 years from now.

We're going to argue about how much faster he could have run in certain races because he slowed down at the end of the... I go to my grave believing, had he not celebrated the last 10, 12 meters at Beijing when he turned sideways and he's pounding his chest, he runs faster than 958. I believe that. I don't think he's something needs to run faster in those competitions. He was daylights ahead of people.

And still, nobody's ever run faster than he ran, and he celebrated the last 10 meters. Crazy. Crazy. No, go sit down, bro. Sit down, bro. You ain't time out, man. You had time out money. Yeah Yeah, you bet a you haven't enough for everybody else

Hey, hey, Sid McLaughlin and LeBron say I don't feel that way right Benjamin say I don't feel that way Hall I like where I'm at with this right now Well, if that's the whole if that's the case hell Michael Phelps should have got a shoe Simone Biles should get a shoe We if we we throwing our shoes. This is true. Cause they're more accomplished than you in their sports. So I'm just trying, so- They're Olympic champions.

They're more accomplished than you. And they didn't get a shoe. Sydney is a two time Olympic champ. She's the world record holder. She's a what? A two or three time, I mean, she skipped the last world championships. She's a two ortime Olympic champ. She's the world record holder. She's a what? A two or three time, I mean, she skipped the last world championships. She's a two or three time world champion.

She's the most dominant 400 meter hurdle. She might be one of the most versatile women in track and field history. Noah, you haven't even won the gold medal in your signature event. And see, and what Michael did, what really put Michael on the map is when the gold medal in your signature event. And see, and what Michael did, what really put Michael on the map is when the Olympics was in where Atlanta, he had the gold shoes on.

He doubled the 400 and the 200. It's never been done in men. The women's Valerie Briscoe hooks get it in 84. People don't realize she was the first to do it. And then Jose Marie Perrette, she did it. The French one, she doubled up into two and the four. No, bro, you fighting a losing battle, bro. Do I think he trolling?

I think he's phenomenal. I think he's phenomenal. He's great. But bro, just run, get the meat money. The details, what they pay you. You break a record or you win the Diamond League or you win the U.S., you win the trials, you win the Worlds. Bro, but just go all villain. At this point, just go all villain.

Right? We got to put a show with a mask. You got to do Floyd Mayweather and be the bad guy and try to get, and for people to pay to watch you lose. That kind of a thing. But he about to go get a mask. I'm a really, I'm gonna come out there with cowboy, I ain't gonna have my spikes on,

I'm gonna come out there with cowboy boots and black leather trench coat and I'm gonna have a toy gun on my side. If you say you gonna go villain, just go all out. Tell him to go race at show speed, then I'm gonna have a toy gun on my side. If you say you're gonna go villain, just go all out. Tell him to go race at show speed, then I'll talk to him. Oh, you want him to race speed? I don't know, but if you want to race somebody, you want to prove I'm fast, you can go beat speed right now.

But you do realize that if he were to race speed at Tyreek, it'll get more views than if he what he won in the World Championships? Without question, more people would care. And that's the problem. speed of Tyreek, it'll get more views than if he what he won in the world in the World Championships. Without question more people would care and that's the problem like we could. Because track and field is really we care about what we care about the Olympics that's every four years. Just imagine and you can't and even when they have Diamond League meets you can't watch them unless you go on the internet unless you go on your computer and put him up at Flowtrak. Shout out to Flowtrak for trying to showcase.

But bro, I'm just keeping a stack with you. We wouldn't even be talking about this man if he wasn't trolling us. I think this is all a troll to get his name in a national conversation one way or another. Some people don't know the difference between famous and infamous, Shannon. people don't know the difference between famous and infamous, Shannon. They don't know the difference.

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Any Pusha T new music and new Pusha T music related. Hey, Pusha T hasn't released music since 2018 and he has people constantly wondering who may get this. And this time it's Travis Scott, the latest target on his new Clips single, So Be It. Pusha was upset that Travis previewed his album, Utopia, to Pharrell and Paris with Clips in attendance, but didn't play Drake's verse on Meltdown, a song that Drake taunts Pharrell and Pusha. Bun, I don't know if you've been a part of any beats. I think you have been a little part of a little something.

A little something something. Yeah, a little something, something. So- Yeah, a little something, something. Where are you on Pusha? Pusha's a dangerous man. I had a conversation about Pusha many years ago with a very good friend and mentor of mine, Clark Kent. Okay. DJ Clark Kent.

DJ Clark Kent. Clark Kent told me, this was in the beginning of the Pusha and Drake beef. And I was like, this is gonna be interesting. He said, yeah, but not like people think it's gonna be interesting because this dude operates in a space where you really don't have nothing to lose. And I didn't really understand it at the time.

And it took me a while to really grasp what he meant when he said it. Because I don't typically get in these things, right? But I understand how confrontation works. And you do not get you try to avoid it all cause a man with nothing to lose. Correct. Entertainers, we're mostly beholden to the public. Most of us make more money on touring,

selling merchandise and those type of things. And in order to really capitalize off of that, you have to be with high standing and high favor. You gotta be light. A rich dude, a man that makes his money outside of music, doesn't have to worry about that in that way. Pusha T is not beholden to the public in the way that a lot of the rest of us are.

He operates in a space where regardless of whether his albums go platinum or double platinum like that, he's gonna eat very well. Long as Pharrell eating, he gonna eat. So that's not a threat. They don't do friends anyway. So rubbing people the wrong way is not a problem. They're prepared to not be in favor. That's a dangerous man. That's a dangerous man. I'm not saying that's a man that's going to automatically

beat you, but that when you go up against somebody ain't got nothing to lose in the situation. I'm not going to lose no money. I'm not going to lose in the situation. I'm not gonna lose no money. I'm not gonna lose no social standing. I'm gonna keep being who I was. I'm not gonna lose a meal. My family not gonna lose the quality of life. You'd be very careful when you decide to go toe to toe with somebody like that. You'd be very careful because most of us

do have things to lose. Most of us do need public favor in order to make money. Most of us do need relationships and friends and not to burn bridges with people in order to sustain certain qualities of life. I don't think that brother accurate like that. And when somebody and there's a freedom that comes in writing when you don't let me tell you something. There's a difference when you make music because you have to as opposed to because you want to. There's a difference. There's a freedom when you make music because you have to as opposed to because you want to.

There's a difference. There's a freedom that comes with that. There's a confidence that comes with that. Because you're not thinking, ooh, what if so and so, what if these people don't pitchfork. What if pitchfork don't put me on the list and all of this type of stuff. What if Apple don't put me on the playlist

or I don't get on the Spotify playlist or all of these things. Some people don't, that's not contingent on them eating at night. For most of us, it's absolutely a part of them. It's an unavoidable part of them. But I don't think he operated in that space. So I think he is willing to just throw caution to the wind and be like, you know what?

I don't really fuck with him anyway. And they not lose, they don't, Push is not, you don't see Push at awards show. You don't see him at clubs and parties. I don't really fuck with him anyway. And they not lose, they don't, Push is not, you don't see Push at awards show. You don't see him at clubs and parties. They don't mix like that. They mix with their own. And they pretty good on the streets as well.

So it's, it's whatever. That being said, Travis ain't about to back down. Travis ain't about to back down. So you say Travis coming back, Travis gonna come back with a burst over his own? I wouldn't be surprised if he's here for the weekend. No, it's either go into it or act like it didn't happen. But the problem is is that the people

are going to demand a response. When these things happen, you have to respond. You can't let, you can't, I'm gonna be the biggest man, I'm just gonna let it go, like a ward off a duck's back, I'm just gonna let it roll down. And not if that ain't been a part of your character all this time.

You know what I'm saying? You can't be walking around with gloves on, waiting for somebody to tie him up and then turn down the first fight you get. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So I don't, and I've been around Travis enough to know that no, he's not finna take that line down.

He's absolutely not going to allow his public perception to be played with like that. But you gotta be careful when people try to bait you in. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? You gotta be very careful. Pusha is a diss artist. He got one of the best dissing, you know, him and he went at Drake.

He operates in his face. This is not new to him. This is not a problem for him. And he don't answer to people in that way. Not saying that Travis answered to people, but Travis got a fan base that's huge, like international. Millions and millions of people around the world who have bought into Travis Scott. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, that's why he got to collab with Nike. And he's got the relationship with Louis Vuitton as well, with Adidas, all these kind of things. Odomar's beget. Yeah, absolutely. So this is going to happen. And it's not going to look. We've only heard two songs and he did somebody on both songs.

It's not over. I don't I think there's a couple of more targets. Damn. I think that I think there's a couple of more targets. There's no there's no telling who Pusha don't like. For whatever reason, and there's no telling if he's gonna decide to speak on him. You know what I'm saying? He's not a quiet guy. He's not a quiet guy, he's not a scary guy.

Not easily pushed around, you know what I'm saying? No pun intended. So it's gonna be interesting to watch how this play out. It really is. So Travis is either gonna have to ignore it or go all in Wow That's that's the only way these things work because I don't I don't Push is a guy I say what I said and I'm done Kind of a thing so if there's more slugs to be shot, it's gonna be at more rappers

It won't be multiple shots at one or two people if you go if he jumping off So we got a hit list if he jumping off the porch, if he jumping off the porch, he's gonna jump all the way off the porch. Not two steps down. He ain't looking to get back on. He gonna stay off the porch. He off, he off. But I like this stuff, man.

It keeps your ass fun. It keeps it fresh. And it reminds people to not get comfortable. That's the one thing I like about that. As long as it stays on wax. That's fine. That's fine. And I don't think these guys move in the same social circles

to where their camps would ever really kind of be. People are aware of these things, right? So they try to avoid each other? Well, it's not even them. Promoters, the smart promoters, will try to avoid that. Most people's teams won't allow them to be booked in the same place anyway. Cause you'd have to be a massive promoter to try to book, uh, you know, like Drake and Kendrick at the same festival Drake's people not cause only one can open and close, right? And both of them feel they, they, they, they, they, they break the house down. And so this promoter is not going to get into that or their representation is not

going to allow them to be pulled into that type of thing. So it's going to be interesting to see how many people he did on his album and how those people respond because rap demands a response now because like I talked about the equipment, music equipment and all that stuff is so much cheaper. The technology is cheaper. So you ain't got to wait and book no studio.

Most of these dudes are multimedia. They got a studio at the crib. Yep. We can go in and make some make something about this right now. Hold it back. Do you think we're gonna see more of this because of the success that Kendrick had with his shot that he took at Drake and you look at what it parlayed into. He got the Super Bowl. He got what five Grammys. He's selling out the most. I think 14 million dollars in one show all of his shows with SZA is selling out. Are we heading down a path where people see that this is a way that okay we saw what Kendrick did. Let's take this road too. You gotta bring ass to kick ass. So I would not recommend people think that that's how that goes,

that you did somebody jump out there. No, no, no, that's not how that works. First of all, you got to be more talented than the other person. You know what I'm saying? Kendrick is one of the most single, talented, single most talented writers we have, one of the deepest thinkers that we have. So going up against everybody ain't gonna be your forte. You know what I'm saying? Everybody ain't built to be dissed.

I don't know if people understand it. Everybody's not built for public humiliation. You know what I'm saying? Some people will overthink those things. I've never fought everybody that I knew I could beat them. You get no satisfaction out of that? Yeah. I don't get no points. I'm getting no credit.

You know what I'm saying? It's a weaker person. So punching down is not going to work and everybody can't punch up. So somebody's got to lose. So again, it all goes back to, yeah, you can engage in this stuff and it'll be fun and you'll get some streams or whatever, but somebody's gonna lose.

And can you afford to lose in those spaces? I feel like Pusha can. I don't think being popular changes anything for him. You know what I'm saying? He's always been a unique taste. Like he's made street music and they've had commercial success, but they've never toured in that way, right?

They aren't dependent on the other parts of the machine that everyone else is solely dependent on. Because we don't have somebody like Pharrell, who's always gonna produce everything we do. So we know we're getting a hit record. Who's always gonna have his hands into some major cultural happenings, you know what I'm saying? So we'll always be a part of it.

It's always doing these huge deals. So we'll always be in this position of financial benefit working with him. So all this other shit ain't nothing. We just having fun. I believe this is very, very fun for pushing. Cause there's no threat to anything. Right.

Complex listed the 30th corniest rap beefs of all time. You see that list? We gonna put the list up here so you... I have not seen this list, please put this list up. We can't, okay, I'm gonna name a couple of them. Coolio and Weird Al, True Life and Jim Jones, Nelly and Chingy, Bad Harvey and Alabama Barker, 6'9 and Triple Red, Nicki Minaj and Ransom,

Keeya versus Lil' Kim, Nicki Minaj, et cetera, Gillie the Kid versus Lil' Wayne, Joe Budden versus Drake Drake, Jermaine Dupri vs. Dr. Dre and Timbaland, Tyga vs. Drake, Lula vs. Big Sean and Drake, Soldier Boy vs. Bow Wow, J. Cole vs. Cannabis, Joey Badass vs. Lil B, Charles Hamilton vs. Soldier Boy, Young LA vs. Alley Boy, Eminem, Nick Cannon, PM Don, KRS One, Terry Kennedy, Lupe Fiasco, Carmen, Drake, MC Hammer, Jay-Z, Little Kim, Nicki Minaj, KRS One, Nelly, Kimberly, Scott Starch,

Ice T, Soldier Boy, The Game, Jay-Z. About three or four of them was with Soldier Boy. You think it's the same thing, he hit it with somebody all the time. You know, there was a lot of resentment for him, just on general principle. People thought that he hadn't sacrificed or worked hard enough to get what he had gotten.

You know he had the first iPhone, right? Boy, you know he had the first iPhone, right? Okay. Yeah, he had the first everything. He had the first microphone, too. You know that? He'll tell you he had the first iPhone right? Okay. Yeah, yeah the first ever yeah first microphone to you know that he probably He'll tell you at the first trip or No, the only one of those that weren't corny the only one of those out of all those you named that was actually a

Situation which it didn't have anything in music was a true life Jim Jones type of situation That was something that was was not music That was something that spilled into music from some street Right going on so that one was actually that wasn't cornered that people could have really gotten hurt with that Yeah in that situation, but the rest of the stuff folks people would argue whether or not those some of those people are even considered Right legitimate rappers. Like Weird Al, come on, bro. Why are we even?

Coolio and Weird Al, recipe's Coolio first balls in the OG. But yeah, we're, rap and Weird Al don't even go together. And it's saying- Bad Barbie and Alabama Barker, really? That's what we doing? Are they really even considered, and I've known Alabama since she was a little girl.

I've had a relationship with Travis for many, many years now. I just don't, they just playing on the internet, bro. They're not, these people are not rappers. They make rap music. And that's the problem. Like we live in an age now where people make rap music who aren't rappers, but they have a following.

You know what I'm saying? You got a lot of streamers, right? These guys stream for, you know, their content is fairly long. So a lot of them, they're streaming for hours and they can only get, you know, that one person, that one view during that stream. But if they make a song,

and the song's only three minutes long as opposed to a one hour stream, they could get replays on that stream. So you have guys like, I met the guy Rice Gumb. He's with the FaZe Clan and all those guys, the streamers, right? He's one of the top streamers in the world. And he made a record just because he could,

and it got like eight million views in like no time Because he's already got the audience. He already got a following. Yep. So views don't views don't don't mean Views don't equal talent and I'm not saying that rights and have any talent the source treatment He was he was a decent enough rap or whatever But that don't mean talent and that shit don't translate in the real world You have a lot of people they get a lot of attention online They get a lot of streams and all of that But they couldn't book a show to save their life because nobody really wants to see an extended version of that in in the world

Like I got time to really go. Yeah, I watch it, but I don't pay no money to go watch right right exactly You know I'm saying so a lot of these people they just trying they playing that rap You know I'm saying that you know the J Cole's the So a lot of these people, they just trying, they playing that rap. You know what I'm saying? Now, you know, the J. Cole, the comments and all of those people are writing. A lot of that stuff is just misunderstanding. You know what I'm saying? A lot of those were just really misunderstandings

and people like, like, I don't like why this guy is here and they don't really even know these people. You know, Third Base, MC Hammer and all of that type of stuff. To be honest, no beef when Hammer was cornered, but it's got hammer was really about the streets. Hammer was really outside, but people think they can shoot at low hanging fruit. That's everything you talking about.

One of those people thought they was really rapping and they thought the other person really wasn't even going to be able to hang in the competition. But this, we live in the internet age now. This, this thing has very little to do with the competition. But we live in the internet age now. This thing has very little to do with the music. It's always about the content and going liar and talking shit on people and calling people out their name and pulling up. And yeah, man, we were pulled up on old block

and we done pulled up over here and ain't nobody outside. Where y'all at? We out here and all of that. It goes beyond the music. The music gonna be one video post, but the beat's gonna be 25. Because we're not buying,

we're not just buying music no more, Shannon. I don't think people realize that. We're not buying music, we're buying any personality. We're buying the person. You know what I'm saying? The music is cool, but as far as the average consumer feels, everybody can rap, everybody can make songs. My doorman, the boy at the laundry,

can make a rhyme, the guy that brought my dinner to me at the restaurant, everybody can make songs. My doorman, the boy at the laundry, they can make a rhyme. The guy that brought my dinner to me at the restaurant, he can rhyme, they can all rap. But who are you as a person? You know what I'm saying? People can't just like- They wanna feel like they're a part of you. They wanna feel like they really know you.

They wanna go on and walk with you. I tell all up and coming artists, film everything, shoot everything you know, shoot it all. Because you don't know what part of your life people are actually gonna connect to. I was doing music for years. I put up posts and all of that, and I get a reasonable response. But we started doing full videos a couple of years ago

when my granddaughter, me and my wife, my granddaughter started doing full videos. I started a YouTube page. I got 137,000 followers on my YouTube page because I was doing like 60 second Instagram video. And that started the blog, which started Trail Burger. I had no idea people were interested in what I was eating for dinner.

Right. You know what I'm saying? So you share all of these things and you find out what clips. You know what I'm saying? You've got a bigger relationship with the public now as a podcaster, as an interviewer, than you probably ever had as an athlete.

Ever. It's not even close. It's not even confident. And now that you realize that gives you a stronger, deeper connection with people, now we can really play with this. That's what y'all wanted from me was to talk. Y'all must not know how much I like to talk anyway.

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Listen to Good Company on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Timberland got blasted on social media for using a producer's beat and a producer's tag to train his AI platform, Suno. Tim previewed a demo record which utilized a beat tag from K-Fresh and lyrics from TikTok Creator. He sought to make a new version of the song, but users quickly noticed they were a bit too similar. They called out the Virginia producer

using real music made by human beings to train AI without crediting or paying them. Bun, and I remember having a conversation with Tim cause I had him on the pod. And he said he was nervous about this. Bun, do you think about the controversy? What do you think's going conversation with Tim, because I had him on the pod, and he said he was nervous about this. But do you think about the controversy? What do you think is going on with Tim and this new AI creation?

I think for one, it's uncharted territory, and I think it's still in the very early stages of the technology. I think it's going to grow over leaps and bounds over the next couple of years, because they covered so much ground in the last 10 years with AI Technology, you know saying AI companies are starting to pop up more and more and they're all billion dollar companies people are

Flooding these companies with all kinds of money. I think it's I think this is the problem I think that we're not thinking about this what they're doing now Oh, the only way that AI can do these things is if you feed It information you've got to feed it information. I know on a very small level and introductory level there are Musicians who are feeding AI machines their voices their cadences their tones some of them the way they play Instrumentation and now the AI program can replicate what a rhyme from you would sound like without you having to write it. What chords being played would sound like without you having to play it.

You know what I'm saying? That's very dangerous. Here's the real danger though, Shannon. What I believe we live in a digital world, right? All these, everything digital has what they call watermarks. Yep. Right. And watermarks are what they use to track the technology

as it goes out into the world. So companies can be like, oh, that's what they doing? That's our technology. I bet you we can find it in the code. That kind of a thing. I think everybody that's utilizing this stuff right now, I feel like one day, chat GPT can wake up one day and say, everybody that's ever made music using my technology,

you're on a piece of. And there's nothing you can say. I don't believe that anybody's read the agreement, right? I'm sure if somebody got through these chat GPT and all these different AI companies agreements, where you agree to utilize the technology or download the app and all of that. I guarantee that they are going to go back and find out everything that was created

using their technology that profited, that was sent out into the world as commerce and people spent money on it. They're going to come back. The same way that older artists are coming back because somebody sampled their music, right? I created that. You took my creation and manipulated it without paying me. You owe me money. I believe these people are giving this technology out to people for free in the hopes that they utilize it, unknowingly giving these companies a piece of this intellectual property because it's all intellectual property.

Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? So I think I won't touch it. I won't download it or nothing because not that I'm against it, you know, for recreational use, I guess that's fine. If it helps organize things or put things together, you know, however, that I understand.

But when we're talking about utilizing this technology to manipulate intellectual properties, bro. We playing a dangerous ass game because somebody could just start feeding AI Timberland's beat structures. You know what I'm saying? They could start utilizing his drum patterns and put that in and make a trembling record without him. You know? Wow. And you're opening yourself up, quite frankly, with the way he's doing it, to a whole lot of litigation and a whole lot of trouble. Personally, I don't think America is the market for that.

Japan and China's been doing it for years. Right. You know what I'm saying? But that's a cultural thing. They socialize different in certain countries. So having a relationship with someone that, I know this shit sound crazy, but having a relationship with a machine

for some people fits their lifestyle a lot better. It doesn't work like, because they don't have, they don't have the social graces to go out and meet people and commune with people in that way. So this is a healthy in their minds alternative. But here, no, at some point we gonna wanna see somebody get on stage and sing this shit. Exactly.

You know what I'm saying? And you know, it's the allure, right? It's the allure. Like Megan Thee Stallion is a famous person because men find her attractive, women find her attractive. You know what I'm saying? There's an allure to it. Japan and China has that very strange relationship

with technology in that way where they, they don't just make robots, they have relationships with robots and pillows and all of that type of shit. I don't think that he can break a star like that because at some point somebody gotta get on the stage. Somebody gotta sign an autograph. Somebody gotta take a picture.

You know, and I don't think we wanna see a robot and a computer do that to the point of touring. Right. Today. Well, you know, you never know. 10 years from now it might be different. Look, I'm an analog dude. I come up on eight tracks and put 45s on the record player and all that stuff.

45 years LB. I'm not knocking it, but I think we don't understand it enough to utilize it in the way that we try to utilize it. I think that's the real problem with Tim. I don't think he's really thinking of the cons. Everybody uses AI for what they think they can make it work for, but nobody's thinking about how this could set back.

And Timbaland is such a major impactful player in the entertainment industry, that that shit could really, people would follow suit. If he became successful, if he and his artists become successful, this will be a thing. It will be a whole thing.

Will Smith is reflecting on raising Jaden and Willow and revealed that honesty isn't always the best when parenting your children. We made a very, very, very, very terrible mistake with our children and we went radical honesty. But don't do it. I'm not advocating for it. I'm not advocating for it. I'm not advocating for it. We made a deal for a really young, with our kids. The deal was you tell the truth,

you won't get in trouble. He explained that the parroting style backfired with the two youngest kids. The only way you can get in trouble in this house, that if we find out you did something and you didn't tell the truth, it was a mistake. It was terrible because they do whatever they want and then they come tell you, it's awful, don't try it. You want your kids to lie definitely. Don't want to know stuff your kids are thinking of doing. But you got kids, you got grandkids. And a lot of times, the thing is,

if you're not careful, Bun, you kind of raise your kids kind of the way you was raised. Because that's what you know, you know, you see where you might yell and the least little thing might set you off, but you gotta, you know, especially if, you know, you gotta try to break that cycle. He said that if you tell us the truth,

you won't get in trouble. Bulljive. that if you tell us the truth, you won't get in trouble. Blue jive. I don't know how they kept that up. To be honest, because, yeah, your parents will say that, but when you really start telling what you really do, we gonna have some problems in this. Oh yeah.

And I don't understand this idea of being raised a certain way Constantly telling people that the way he was raised made you how you were and then you refused and steal any of that into your children I don't understand these people that For example The coaches that I'm when I was in school the coaches was built a certain way The coaches that I'm, when I was in school, the coaches was built a certain way. Absolutely.

Coaches would build a certain way. And the players, they didn't like running, they didn't like the drills, they didn't like none of that stuff. And those are the coaches now. You know what I'm saying? So we're getting a lesser version of what we had. I don't understand why people whose life trajectory

was determined based on the fact of the discipline that was inserted into their life and to deny their children that same discipline. We the only generation, Chan, we're the only generation that ain't sacrificed quality of life for our children. We want our kids in joints and we want joints. We want our kids in nice clothes and we want nice clothes. My old man didn't even, I remember, that man didn't use lotion, bro. Like, his life was not about modern convenience for him. It was about convenience for the family.

Correct. But when you don't have to struggle like that, it's different. The house my kids grew in is different from the house that my grandkids visit. Right? Like we had to work up to this house, but they were born into this house. You know what I'm saying?

So they just think that's how it's supposed to go. Somebody like Will Smith, I know for a fact Will Smith came up hard in Philly. I know for a fact Jada Pinky came up hard in that right and I know they are strong willed as they are because of the discipline that was a steal because They could have very easily been taken away by the communities that they lived in we understand those things That still exists in rich neighborhoods to because because it's bad rich kids too. You know what I'm saying?

Those kids tend to get away with more because the parents could get them out of most shit. So the idea of letting your children live a free life as long as they tell you the truth. This shit, I still can't admit to my mama I did. I might still get popped upside by. And there's things that my mama told me she knew that I didn't even know she knew I did.

So you don't think you just take to your grave, bud? I just, I have a nephew. I won't get too deep into it. I have a nephew and his daddy was a certain way when he was young. His daddy was a very, very well known person in the city. And his mama tried everything to not let him know who his daddy, how his daddy really, really got that.

Man, once that boy found that out, that she thought he was old enough to deal with the reality of that, trouble. Went out there trying to be like his dad, trying to live up to a life that was never meant for him. That he was never a part of, to never say, just to see if it was ending. And he ended up in the penitentiary.

He ended up in jail and all this stuff. Now in retrospect, you realize you're chasing out something you should. Yeah, that's not you. That was his life, that's not yours. Right, right. But you know what, bud? That's how you have to be.

And I told my kids, I don't, you know, I live my life. I say playing in the NFL was my dream. That's not yours. You live your dream. Yes. So when you try to, when you start trying to live somebody else's dream, that's where you run into problems. I didn't push my, well, man, I got a son,

bro, you ain't gonna play football. You ain't gonna play basketball. You're not gonna do X, Y, and Z. But that's not his dream. That was mine. I want you to be whatever you choose to be I just want you to be be the best you can at it. I rather you be a good you than a bad me. Yeah Absolutely. There it is

That's it. I would much rather you be a bet the best version of you than a bad version of me Smith recently dropped an album his first album in 20 years his new song got killed online But why do you think we Will refocused on music? Cause he was the first guy to, people don't realize, some do, but Will was the first artist to win a rap Grammy. Absolutely. Now Will's always been ahead of the curve.

I think this is a new way of him reengaging with the public. Well, you know, Will, Will jumped on social media with a splash. Yeah. Because no one that had ever been that famous in that world that ever opened up their life like that. Right? Right.

And it started with his Instagram page. Will was going all over the world. All over the world. With all this crazy shit on Instagram. And we were drawn to it. At the same time, Red Table Talk, we get to look, you know, pull the curtains back on the wizard

and see these people have this very vulnerable conversation. You know what I'm saying? I think we'll just, I think this is a lot easier for him to do right now. I don't think movies is a big thing for him right now. I think this is just a different way for him to engage with people. And I can understand that because you see a lot of other actors doing a lot of that stuff now,

trying to go out, Tom Cruise going at all the movie theaters and hanging out with the people and stuff like that. But I think when Will, you can't chase the drag. Like, Will has all the resources that you need to release an album to have impact internationally. But again, you gotta read the room. Just because you can do some things don't mean you should. Just because you can go somewhere don't mean you need to be there. But Will Smith can do this, and this don't really change nothing. Nobody's gonna stop seeing the movie

because of Will Smith did an album that they didn't care for. Correct. Nobody's gonna stop to see. Because they're two separate things. Absolutely. And we don't expect everybody to be great at everything they do.

I know I don't. I don't expect everybody to be great at everything they do. I expect you to be good at what you don't and be good at. Because I might like Will Smith the movie star everybody to be great at everything they do. I expect you to be good at what you don't want to be good at. You know? Because I might like Will Smith the movie star, but not like Will Smith the actor.

I mean, excuse me, the rapper. Some people may not even know who it is, right? You can look at it two ways, right? You can look at it the hip hop fans who may not be all the way with him in the movies. Correct. Because some of his movies might be different. And you may have some movie fans

that may not be all the way in on the music. Like I said, I got people that come and eat the burger that don't even know who Bum Be The Rapper is. So you may have a lot of Will Smith fans, particularly in the announcement, who some of them may not know, although he's so tied in with the Fresh Prince and the TV show and everybody knows that song.

Right. Right. But I don't think there's, I don't think there's a high level of expectation. I don't think anybody expects more out of his record than he does. You know, and it could be, this could be marketing, right? This could be just a way to, because if you notice everything he's doing is international. Like the videos, the concerts, the performances, all the street shit, everything he's doing to engage with people is international. Like the videos, the concerts, the performances, all the street shit, everything he's doing to engage with people is internationally because I'm almost certain he's a bigger star

internationally than he is here. So this is just probably, we love Will Smith. We grew up with Will Smith. We've been knowing him for years. We're going to go see Will Smith. I think because he's not doing a multitude of action movies and shit right now, like he normally do, this is just a way of keeping himself on people's minds. Like, Hove make albums now. Hove don't make an album to make money off of music. Hove uses it to keep his public profile at a high level to perpetuate other income revenue streams that he got coming in.

How much you think is from the blowback because of what happened with him and Chris Rock? Do you think he's still suffering from that, Bunt? I wouldn't say suffering, right? I think the people that don't like him for that don't like him for that, but people that are famous like Will Smith will always have, not just fans, they'll have psychophants, right?

So there's always gonna be a contingency of people that want Will Smith's entertainment Right, they're gonna want that there's no way around it He's a bigger force in that space in Chris Rock and it's not like they get less Chris Rock because of what happened They get pretty much the same amount of Chris Rock. So I don't think I don't think it's pushed back on that professionally now personally He may be going through something where he feels like he's got to reinvigorate the image,

go out there and make himself likable and lovable again to people. That could be happening, because it can't be for money, right? He can't be making his music for money. So it's got to be a way that he thinks he can better rebuild the relationship with people that may be looking at him a certain

way. I don't think it's necessary, but he may think it's necessary. Because like we talked about LeBron, he's one of those people that like to be liked. That's for goddamn sure. That's the big thing about Will Smith. He always come in with that big smile. He's very engaging, very entertaining, very likable, very approachable, very personable. Those kinds of people don't like it when they not.

They're not, yeah, they don't feel like they're being liked. They're not loved in the public sphere. So it could just be for him because the career don't need it. But maybe internationally, it might be some shit he got to do because maybe that translated different over there when he did that shit. Welcome to the You vs. You podcast.

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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Mariah Carey still doesn't believe in birthdays or the passage of time. I just don't believe in time. I don't have a birthday. Anniversaries? Yes. But birthday? No. You gotta love Mariah.

You gotta love Mariah Carey. The more, the older I get and the more we start to know about Mariah Carey, cause she was very private for a long time. Yes. She was very private about a lot of things for a long time. I don't think we realized, and I'm gonna say this, I don't think we realized how black Mariah Carey is. I think.

I don't think we realized that's a real sister, right? Compared to what the public perception might be, I don't think we realize that's a real sister, right? Compared to what the public perception might be, and I heard she's a fool too. Like she's a very funny, like very, very down to earth person. This is par for the course. I remember all the shit with JLo. Like I don't know this person and all that, but Ryan Carey's a whole fool, like for real.

And for her to want to marry and make kids and do all of these things with Nick Cannon really tells me like you a hoe. Like, you a, I don't mean crazy. I mean like, you got a real personality. Like you, you're subject to say some wild shit. That's who Mariah Carey is. That's why Mariah Carey don't do a lot in public cause she know she prone to say some wild shit. That's who a ride carrier is. That's why my ride carrier don't do a lot in public

because she knows she prone to say some crazy shit. Yeah, absolutely. I love it because she been consistent. She is who she is. She don't do shit for cap. She don't do shit for the cameras. She only come out when she comfortable. This whole thing with Anderson Paak is very interesting.

I love this new song. She had a new single that's written and produced by Anderson Paak, who's an amazing artist. And they also saying that they're a couple now too. Right. You know what I'm saying? So those things are always good for music when artists, you know,

get in a relationship with somebody they can create together. That's always a good and fun thing. And she looked happy. Yes. She looks happy as hell. She's always had this very awkward energy in public kind of a thing because I feel like she knows she can't be herself.

Correct. The image has been presented a certain way as to how Mariah Carey moves. And don't get me wrong, she's as classy as she presented herself. She's all of that, but soon as the camera cut off, you could tell she, whoo shit girl, what's up? Like, yes soon as the camera cut off, you could tell she, whew, shit girl, what's up?

Like, yes, you know what I'm saying? Ready to release. So I'm happy for Mariah. Mariah not celebrating birthdays, that's very Mariah on her. Bun, let me know what you think. Jadakiss is still upset about not making the top five on Complex Top 50 New York list. If we were to do a top 50 Houston list,

is Bunn gonna be in the top 10? There's an argument to that. And I'ma tell you why, because technically I'm from Port Arthur. That's the way that I've been put in this lexicon. UGK typically is taken out of that conversation for Houston. Now, if Texas... Oh, no, you're going to have hell trying to be better than that, some Texans. Okay, so we're going to... Since it's New York, we're going to make it Texas then?

No, you can't even have that conversation. You can't even have that conversation without me. And I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but there's a certain style of rapping that didn't even really exist in Houston before I started rapping a certain way. Like being a lyricist wasn't necessarily a requirement. You know what I'm saying?

It wasn't necessarily something you had to do to be successful here because it wasn't a demand primary. But I never felt like, I felt like I was already way past my competition here. So I was competing with everybody. You know what I'm saying? So yeah, there's no way you could, the only way you take me out of it is that,

it's like, no, but we don't mean you. We don't mean like you and Face or whatever. But if we talking about everybody, top five from Texas, man, I gotta wash my mouth on this show. I'm really trying to be cool about it. I honestly don't think there's five people from Houston that can rap better than me. That's from the state of Texas that's better than me.

I give you DLC and Scarface. I give you DLC and Scarface. That's it. That's it. Maybe three, two. Maybe, rest in peace, three, two. But. Yeah, they got, yeah, I'm looking at this list.

Yeah, they got, they do got, they got Jada. Damn, they got Jada at 16. Yeah, no, they wrong for that. They very wrong for that. And look, I understand, because you have to understand that some of the greatest rappers of all time came from New York. Absolutely, that's where it started.

So I understand why they would want to honor other people before they honor Jadakissed. You know what I'm saying? I get that. And the only shit is relative, right? Because in the earliest days, wasn't nobody harder than LL, then wasn't nobody harder than Rakim,

then K. R. Rez, you know? Like these things are subjective. You know what I'm saying? But if somebody that lives in the modern time in New York City is rating New York rappers and they don't put JDK in the, he's top 10, right? If he, I can understand people wanting to argue about whether or not he's top five.

If you look at the whole scheme, cause you gotta, again, you gotta put the Rakims and the Big Daddy Canes and the Cool G Raps. You know what I'm saying? All these great people. Man, they got Big Daddy Canes so far down. Man, the people don'tems and the Big Daddy Canes and the Coogee Raps. You got Jay-Z. You know what I'm saying? All these great people. Man, they got Big Daddy Canes so far down. Man, the people don't realize how good Big Daddy Cane was.

Big Daddy Cane was and is still like that. Look, man, we are, we sit in all the joint, we are enjoying the LeBron all over again. That's all this is. Different times speak to different sensitivities. You right. You know what I'm saying? And that's how people draw these lists.

I could understand him being upset, but at the same time, it's all subjective. You know what I'm saying? And when you meet the people that typically make these lists, they aren't legitimately. Ain't none of them ain't no. They're not steeped enough in the culture

to really have these conversations with, much less give any validity to that shit. I don't get these people no way, just because they say it leads to a bunch of music shit. I'll listen to a bunch of R&B too. I can't, I ain't finished in acting like I can sing or judge people who can't sing. I can't even hum shit.

All right, bud, we better close it out on this. We got our final segment of the day. It's time for Q&A. Okay. Here we go. Q and A, baby. Joe Bombos, Athlon's playbook. Bun, this one's for you. Bun B, when are we gonna get a Kendrick, UGK collab?

That's a good question. I've not been able to really have a relationship with Kendrick. That's for somebody that I literally have not bumped into of all the people in hip hop. I've never bumped into him, but that's not surprising because Kendrick don't really socialize like that outside of, you know, his homeboys in LA and people that he records with. It's not somebody that you'll see at Rolling Loud or Coachella or something like that or at somebody's release party

or a New Jordan release or something like that. It just don't socialize like that, you know what I'm saying? So there's no relationship to even extend the awful. I wouldn't even know how to, I don't even have the email. What do you want to go about? There you go, how to go about that. I mean, he's an amazing rapper, I love him. I always want to rap with the best people.

You know what I'm saying? So anybody that's considered one of the best, the studio's always open. Hugs973 said, Bun, do you think they'll bring the Comets back? The WNBA team? Well, they are. Nah, they are looking to bring a WNBA team back to Houston.

I know they're thinking of that, but I don't know if they would call that team the Comets. I'm not sure who owns that name in that way. I'm not sure if the Rockets ownership, if that's something that transfers from owner to owner or how that works. But I mean, I think it would be great for the city. I think the city would come all the way out,

but you got to understand, if you decide to call a WNBA team, the Comets, you got to have the best of the best on that team. Because that's arguably the best legacy ever in WNBA basketball. Yeah, you had Coop, you had Cheryl Swoops, you had Tina Thompson.

Oh, y'all would load it. That's why you went four straight. That's never happened to me. Ken Caron was the hometown hero. God bless the recipes. No, we had that squad. There's never been a dominated team as that team was. Four P, right?

Yep. Four P. The first four. Pray. Fiz New Jersey said, let's bring in Mike Jones from Houston for his Houston opinion. Anyone got his number?

Mike is going to come on in the very near future and guess what? Come back and we'll ask it. And his number ain't changed. He still got that number. Kipper Norwood Jr. said, uh, and bun B my question, how many Superbowls would Peyton Manning have if he was quarterback for the Patriots and Tom Brady was the quarterback for the Colts?

That's a good question because you've got to think of the drive that Tom came in with. Correct. There's a big difference between getting drafted here at the top and getting drafted at the bottom. Both of those put a fire under you, but for different reasons. Correct.

And also I think initially, Both of those put a fire under you, but for different reasons correct and also I Think initially Peyton might have had a little bit more knowledge of the game, right and Naturally fell into that leadership Quality whereas I don't you know time was the leader of the locker room, but never the leader of the team Peyton had power in his early years Tom gradually gained that power and knew how to utilize it a little bit different.

And then he had Belichick too, right? And that's a whole different type of discipline. That was a whole different animal. Peyton never had a coach like that, that had that kind of control, because Peyton really had the control. Peyton ran practice. Peyton ran the two minutes. Peyton ran practice. Peyton ran the two minutes.

Peyton ran everything. And so different responsibilities that Brady never had. You know, like I know, Shannon, different responsibilities create different people. Absolutely. There's a big difference of what's expected from the big brother than the little brother. Correct.

You know what I'm saying? Yep. I absolutely know what you're saying. But I was fine there, bro. You gotta come back and saying? Yep. I absolutely know what you're saying But we I was fun there bro. You got to come back. I enjoyed it man. I enjoyed it No, you called me up any time. I'll be I'll be co-host permanent a Guys, thank you for joining us for another episode of night cap with me your favorite on Shannon sharp and Filling in for Ocho who's having fun over there in Paris, Bun B.

Bun, we can't thank you enough. I'm sure the chat really loved that tonight, guys. Give Bun a hand. Hey, come into the comments and let us know, cause he did an unbelievable job explaining everything. He didn't duck any questions. Lot of times guys come up here and they didn't wanna talk about this

and don't wanna talk about that. But Bun, hey, jumped on it with both feet. So we can't thank you enough for that, Bun. Appreciate you. Come on, Shannon, man, I appreciate you. But don't forget my bottle, and I sent my bottle. Oh, we got that. We'll get your address, we gonna get it to you.

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