Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 2: Unc, Ocho, and Samba discuss Thibodeau gets fired from the Knicks and Jaycee Horn goes off on NFL nerds!

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and artist Samba react to the New York Knicks fire Tom Thibodeau, Jaycee Horn sounding off about nerds talking about the NFL, Draymond Green comments about reaching the finals, and Adam Silver on the NBA All star game change and much more!01:47 - Jaycee Horn10:34 - Thibbs fired from Knicks21:47 - Draymond Green30:20 - Adam Silver on the NBA All Star Game change40:49 - Pelicans continue with Zion as face of the brand46:55 - Westbrook to receive offer from European team54:14 - Q & Ayyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. The Panthers cornerback J.C. Horne went off on pro football focus of the top ten cornerback J.C. Horn went off on Pro Football Focus of their top 10 cornerback rankings. This is what happens when you let nerds who never touch the field feel like they know ball man. Pro Football Focus ranked him 25th in the NFL saying, Horn is talented but has struggled

with injuries in the NFL. Despite being the league's second highest paid corner, Horn ranks 23rd in Pro Football Focus at Advanced Coverage Grade over the last three seasons. And 23rd in Standard PFF Coverage Grade of 79.6 across the past two. Saul's Gardner is one, Pat Sertan is two, Trent McDuffie is three, Jalen Johnson is four, Darrell Stangley Jr. is five,

DJ Reed is six, Marlon Humphrey is seven, Christian Bedford is eight, Jair Alexander is nine, Denzel Ward is 10. And in fact, let me tell you something. The fact that you know this list isn't correct is the fact that Denzel Ward is all the way at 10. But then, okay, let me ask you something. The fact that you know this list isn't correct is the fact that Denzel Ward is all the way at 10. Hmm. I'm out of the-

But then, okay, let me ask you this, Ocho. Who you taking off this list and putting J.C. Horne in front of? Uh, what number- Wait, see, I need to- I can't see it from me. Run me the first 10 real quick. Salt Garden is one, Pass or 10 is two, Tripp McDuffie- That should flip. One and two should flip, but go ahead. Okay. Tripp McDuffie is three, Kansas City. Jalen Johnson, Bears, four. Darrell Stingley Jr., Texans, five. DJ Reed, he's with the Lions now, if I'm not mistaken. He's with

the Jets last year. He's six. Marlon Humphrey, Baltimore Raven, seven. Kristen Bedford, Buffalo Bills, eight. Jahir Alexander, nine. Green Bay, Denzel Ward, 10. Now, the people on that list, who you taking off and putting them on in the top 10? I mean, no disrespect. I've watched everybody. I've watched everybody who's there play. And I'm not talking about just watching them on Sunday.

I'm talking about I've seen film of them actually in practice and what they've done, and I've seen the game film. Now, DJ Reed, I don't know much about. I don't know they've done and I've seen the game film. Now DJ Reed, I don't know much about. I don't know much about DJ Reed. I'm gonna be honest. I haven't seen him play. I haven't watched him.

So if I was to take anybody off, it would be DJ Reed. Excuse me, I mean, no disrespect to Young Bull. I'm sure Young Bull is good because he's on there for a reason. But I know and I've seen J.C. Horne play. Yeah. Consistently. I'm a big Stanley fan, man.

Hey, Stingley the Real Deal, boy? I'm a big Stanley fan, man. I love the way he plays. You know, he reminds me of like what football used to be when I was in there watching it with my grandpa as a kid. I love his energy that he bring. Um, but honestly, when it come to these lists, sometimes I be trying to understand what's the criteria with some of these things. Like what are they coming up with?

Because sometimes it felt like they picked somebody cause they got a bigger following on social media or something. It ain't got nothing to do with they game. So I'll be trying to figure out where, where does this stuff come from? Um, I agree with you, Ocho. I think pastor Tan for me is the best corner in football. Uh, um, Stingley obviously had a magnificent season, uh, Trent McDuffie. Um, he's never made an all pro team.

I don't, I think he's made one. Let me take that back. I think he's made one, but I don't think he's ever made a pro bowl. He's sensational, especially in the slot. Sauce, we know what Sauce is. Sauce was a defensive rookie of the year. All these guys are phenomenal. We know Marlon Humphrey. It's not what he once was on the outside, but in that slot, he hell. He's nice. Deferred really came into his own last year. We know y'all here what he is, what he represents. Dull. Yeah.

Denzel, fluid, smooth, transition, looks really well. Honestly, I mean, no disrespect, but Denzel, Denzel is top five right now. I'm talking about in the entirety of the league. You know, forget this list, I understand. You're thinking top five, Ochoa? What? Hey, when we talk about a technique merchant,

I'm talking about technique. It don't matter who he playing. Well, he can be a party, and he's switching up based on who he playing against, too. He gonna play everybody different. So I'm sitting there watching him, depending on, okay, let's say when they play the Bangles Fences. The way he play T. Higgins, he he played Chase different and I'm sitting here watching this man

No, I'm talking about it's like art. It's like watching art because he has a different approach to pinno who it is every single time The naked eye on the casual fan can't see it, but I'm looking at it I'm like what the and I'm into my to me a I'm looking at him like Sam I'm looking like well damn the defensive coordinator in Cleveland in Cleveland give him that much freedom to be able to do stuff like that Normally when you get out there and line up you land the same way the same time based on the coverage the coverage of the defense that's called Now what you what like how you think you would have reacted? Hi, if he would have been guarding you what you would have did to him would have been guarding you? What you would have did to him, Ocho?

Oh, I would have turned that 21 to 12. You playing with me? Hey, I respect, hey, listen, I told, I forgot where we was at. Might have been Super Bowl or something. Boy, I sat there and told him, I told him about plays he did, though. He is a tremendous man-to-man corner boy, especially in bunt. I'm talking about technique side and when the ball in there, he never panic. He played a ball, he got elite ball skills.

Him and Stingley, we got some of the best ball skills along with 13 I've ever seen, bruh. No, that's why I like Stanley so much for exactly what you just broke down in. That's why I got quiet because you speaking from experience. I'm speaking from a fan. That's all, yeah. So you looking at it from you actually playing the game. I'm looking at it as a fan. But what I see with Stanley is kind of what you just explained. He plays different players, difference.

He can kind of play both sides of the field. You get to it, you get off his line fast. So I rock with him. Yes, sir. He nice. Yeah, I like I like guys that travel You know you look at sauce and Pat They're kind of more they kind of like they're tall angular guys passers-by is so smooth He transitioned extremely well the way he can flip his hips for a guy his size It is hard-pressed you'll you probably won't find a guy cuz certain is like six to yeah, I mean he's a

You probably won't find a guy. Cause Surtan is like 6'2". I mean, he's a big club. Saul's guard is too. He's a real 6'2". Yeah, ain't no, ain't no, ain't no, yeah, ain't no six foot. He's six foot. No, no, no.

He's six two, maybe even six. Tall, Denzel Ward is maybe not that tall, but they kind of got Saul's pat and Denzel kind of have the same body type. They're like thin-framed. But Surtan is like, as good a technique for someone, he has good a technique, like, now Reivers had some technique. I was just thinking about Daryl Reivers

when you stuck in there. Reivers had technique at the end of the game. When it comes to playing a position, when it comes to playing DB, I've always said that, I've been saying it for years. I think DB is the hardest position on the field outside of quarterback. Or it absolutely is.

Outside of quarterback. Reeves got the patience at the line of scrimmage of Sallie Mae. Cause you know everybody still owe them loans for years and years and years. That's the kind of patience I smoke with God. That's the kind of patience Reeves got. You can make all the moves you want.

He not moving, he not budging until you go. He might not first move Yeah, you might not buy he might not bite the second move dot Hey, oh Joe you go Joe you could do all this right you do it all this right here That you'll still sit right there for the ways cuz your waist ain't going nowhere Yeah Yeah, yeah, shut out the Josh Norman to man That you can still sit right there in front of me. Put it right at your waist, cause your waist ain't going nowhere. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Josh Norman too, man. Josh Norman would. You need to lock things down out there as well.

Jared Verz Troll puking the cool for looking like Lord Farquaad. Watch this, y'all. I know we have famous people in the building now shake it out shake it out shake it up That's that's what it's all about that's what I'll tell that's what you miss All that joining that goes on and okay that goes on in mini camps and training camps and all do this is what you miss. All that joining that goes on in OTA, that goes on in mini camps and training camps and all. This is what you miss, man. Where you gonna get this from, Ocho? When you lead a game, where you gonna get this from?

You're not gonna be around. It's impossible. It's impossible. You try to listen, you try to recreate it with your friends that have nothing to do with the game of football that you've known all your life, but it would be nothing like being in that locker room. Nothing.

Nope. All right, Semba, we're going to get to your favorite. We're going to get you some NBA news. Oh, yeah. Five seasons with the Knicks, Tom Philadot went 226 and 174, led the Knicks to the playoffs four times, including back-to-back 50-win seasons, including Eastern

Conference Finals appearance for the first time in 25 years advanced to and they advanced to the East East Finals. That wasn't enough. Even Rick Carlisle said today, when I first saw it, I thought it was one of those fake AI things. No way. There's no way. Simba, when you first heard the news, you read it. You like, man, they fired Tibbs.

What went through your mind? I kind of expected it. I kind of expected it. I feel like Tibbs, and no disrespect to Tibbs because he's a legend, but I feel like his style of coaching is a bit outdated. I feel he kind of looks for things that the game doesn't call for anymore. And he doesn't really go deep into his bench. And by the time his players get to the fourth quarter, they gassed. And we kind of seen that in the playoffs. We seen Indiana kind of run them back and forth.

He tried to get deep in the bench and basketball, just like football, anything of sports, it's a game of rhythm. You know what I mean? So you can't just throw somebody in the playoffs when they ain't been playing all season in the third quarter and expect them to knock down shots. So I think Brunson could definitely benefit from a different coach. The Knicks could.

And I don't see, I seen what you guys were saying the other night. I don't see why Tim's kind of brought Kat in if they had the same issue back in Minnesota. I kind of don't get where that came from but I think I think the call was a good call. It might be a bit confusing but I think it was a good call. Hey, in the wake of, let me read this. In the wake of Tim's fired, more reports have come out about the Knicks coaching staff. Multiple Knicks players have reportedly

been unhappy with the presence of assistant coach Rick Brunson, who happens to be the dad of Jalen Brunson. Per Hoopswire, multiple Nick players have been unhappy with the presence of assistant coach Rick Brunson, who happens to be the father of star point guard Jalen Brunson. What that issue is exactly has not been determined, though sources suggest that Rick has too big of a say in things. Well, is he probably going to be the interim coach or maybe the coach that that step in?

No, they're going to have a new coach. He ain't going to be there. And I'm, he ain't going to be nothing. So you don't think they're getting him out of there? No, I don't think they would. No, I don't think they will give him a job. I don't think if they would have, they don't. Oh, okay.

Uh, I think Leon Rose and worldwide west who runs the Knicks, uh, for I think Leon Rose and Worldwide West who runs the Knicks of Dolan. Um, they're looking, um, is it going to be Boone Hozer? Is it going to be a vocal? Is it going to be, you know, one of these guys, uh, what's Mike Malone? I like Mike Malone. I like Mike Malone. I let it say, Hey, the funny thing about it is, is Tibbs led the Knicks to one of their greatest,

not greatest season, but he took them very far. It's been a very, very long time since they've been in a game of that magnitude or a series of that magnitude. And when you look at the records of the past coaches, I mean, he's done the best. Again, I agree with Sam based on what outcome've come. You know, the little bit of basketball knowledge that I do have is he does run his players into the ground. And they were tired.

They were tired, especially when they got to the back end of the season, the back end of the series. Yeah, them boys ain't had no legs. Mm-hmm. But let me ask you a question, okay? It's like, oh, man, they lost to the Pacers. Had they lost to Boston, would you still have fired it? Because I think the thing is maybe beating the Celtics, who's the defending champs, maybe

that set them on unrealistic expectations. Because now, man, we knocked off Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, a team that won the championship just a year ago 160 games and now we lose to the Pacers But if you go back to look at the places they got five six guys and double figures every game That's what they do their committee. So you don't know who gonna light your ass up But one or two games it might be Siakam another game. It might be that knee Smith another game It might be Halliburton. So it's

hard for you to determine, well who do we take away? Who do we take away? So I think that's what happened. I think once they beat the Celtics, everybody's like, oh man, they're going to the finals. Oh, we got the Pacers. The Pacers just beat y'all last year in game seven on y'all home court. I was one of them people too right there. My bad. This was a worse matchup for the Knicks because the thing that the Pacers do the Knicks don't do well is get back on defense. If you look at the Pacers, they're looking to run, make or miss. They're taking off the rim or they're taking out the net. You saw the last game on Joe. The Dicks make a basket and in one pass,

They score. Pascal Siakam is Euro stepping, laying the ball up. Up the floor. So, and you look at it, so now you got Kat, and people complained, they were complaining about Kat playing defense. When have you known Kat as a defensive guy? Hmm. So what you gave up, getting McKell Bridges,

all those draft picks, you weak in your bench. And in the process of weak in your bench, now you got to ride guys, got to play guys, extended minutes into regular season, and you overload them come playoff time. He expanded it, but if you remember the first couple series, he was only playing seven guys. And then it got to the point he was playing eight, nine guys. It's too late. Too late. I agree.

I agree. I think in New York might tear me up for this, but I think Boston lost that series more than New York won it. And what I mean by that was we didn't see great coaching from Tibbs in the first two games, we seen Boston get comfortable and the Knicks make an incredible comeback. Twice. We didn't see great coaching and great tactics and I think Boston kind of just like what you just said how the Knicks felt about the Pacers felt that way about the Knicks. Like oh we got the Knicks we got this it's easy and they kind of got

comfortable let they feet off the gas and they suffered in the long run. Well, what happened was that they're shooting all them damn threes. And you see what happens now when you make them, that's great. But what happens when you miss them? And now they don't, because they've been so successful making those threes, come crunch time, clutch time, they can't run no sets. They still jacking up a bunch of threes. And you see Knicks operating every time. They're getting layups, they're getting whatever they want to get. Man, I mean, Tim's like, well, damn, I probably, we probably should have lost to the Celtics because I do believe and I could, and I could be totally wrong,

Sam, but I believe because they beat the Celtics, they had unrealistic expectation. They thought they were going to have a cake walk to the NBA finals. Yeah. I totally agree with that. Let me ask you guys this. Where do you see Tibbs going and what do you think is the next head coach for the Knicks? Well, you got some guys out there. You got Mike Malone.

You got Boon Hozer. You got Frank Vogel. Hell, give Sam Kissel a chance. There you go. Hold on, hold on. What about Mark Jackson? Bring Mark back. He played in the garden. He's from New York.

I'm trying to think who... I'm trying to think who's a hot cannon. You mean Stephen A. Smith? Bad Stephen A. trying to coach no basketball. Can't even a Smith? Steve, they tried to Steve, they tried to coach no basketball. I'm like, look, I mean, Sam, Mark Jackson, I don't even like hell, you don't even hear Mark Jackson. They need mention for coaching. Yeah.

Yeah. It feels like they completely push Mark Jackson out. I think Mike Malone would be great for New York. I think his style of coaching would be great for the city. It'd be great for Brunton. But I also think they got to bring somebody else in there that could knock down some shots. So Brunton ain't controlling the ball so much because I feel it slows the offense down when he's doing that in the fourth quarter and sometimes when Ananobe is getting going or cat might be getting going or bridges might get going now Brunson kind of comes in and he takes the

Next four shots and it kind of gets everybody out of rhythm So I definitely think they got to bring in another ball handler or score or something to help complete it The names mentioned I may you doke, uh, Jason kid, uh, both of those guys have current jobs. Uh, Jay, former coach Luke walk, Mike Brown, Luke walk. Where's Luke walk that now? I just saw him on somebody. Is he with the calves?

I saw him somewhere. New York or tell Luke walking up on the pistons. Yeah. Thats? I saw him somewhere. New York or terror Luke Walton up on. The Pistons, yeah, that's what I saw. J.B. Pickens staff. But you got Booth and Hoser, who lost the job, got a job, got fired. You have Vogel, who had a job, got a job, got fired. Mike Brown got fired after he had just signed

a contract extension. Booth and Hoser had another four years left on his contract. Vogel had another four years left on his contract. I mean... Hey, matter of fact, feels like the last 10 years of coaches of the year got fired. Yep. They gotta be the right coach, too, to deal with that New York atmosphere.

Everybody ain't built for that. Definitely. Definitely. Draymond Green says he would rather lose in the first round than the NBA Finals. Black Sports Online tweeted about Draymond's comments saying, I can call this my LeBron theory and you can use it for any elite player. It is better to go undefeated in the finals then and go to a bunch of finals and lose if Lebron was four and on the finals as opposed to four and six would the perception be different if the same thing was really simple what do you think I agree I want I 1000% agree man

it's it's that's a tough thing to do right you got to think about you you guys played professional sports. Think about all the things that goes on from on the field, off the field, right? And to win a championship, or even to get to the finals playoffs, let alone, y'all gotta be on one accord. You know, so to constantly keep getting there,

that shows the signs of greatness. Whether you keep failing or not, you still keep getting there. Everybody like to talk about Mike getting there six times and him winning the six rings and everything like that, but he also had a road of trying to get there. That was a process. LeBron kind of got there a little faster.

So I agree with him. Yeah, cause LeBron be four and O in the finals, as opposed to four and six. Now there's still four wins. If you ask me, LeBron got five rings if you ask me, I count that in season tournament. Because here's the thing, Silv, let's just say for the sake of argument, LeBron got four rings in 22 seasons. They're going to say, what are you doing the other 18 seasons?

Go to the finals? So I get it. It's just like, look, social media, and social media has its place. It's done a lot of good. It's made a lot of people famous. It's made a lot of people wealthy beyond expectations. But I think the thing is that now everybody is a general manager. Everybody is a coach. Everybody is a player, personnel director.

Everybody is a, a, a, a former NFL player or former NBA player or MLB player. And so it gives everybody, um, everybody has an opinion now. Whereas before a lot of these guys, it'd be very interesting. If let's just say we start and we will start social media in the eighties and everybody can have an opinion when Jordan was getting bounced in the first round. I wonder how they would take that. If he's the best player, if he'd go. Because they crown him to go to 1989. They said he's the greatest player we've ever seen. With no finals appearances.

And the crazy thing about that, I just seen something the other day. I think, what was it? NBA did the deal with NBC in 89 or something like that. So we didn't even get to see like those first couple years of July. Where's the tape of everybody talking to you? Like we see highlights, but like we didn't get to see everything so it's like...

No, you didn't see basketball games. There was not a whole lot of... You didn't get a chance to watch basketball during the week. You watch basketball on Sunday. Got you. Now once the playoffs started, okay, that was a different story. But I grew up in an era where the games were tape delayed. Even the NBA finals, the playoff was tape delayed. You didn't get an opportunity to see those. Wow. So, and when, when, when it first started, the first round was the best two out of

three, you went two games and then you advanced and then you went to the semifinals. And if you won three out of five, the best of seven wasn't to the conference finals and the NBA finals. And it used to be, you got three shots to make two by the free throw line. So once you got to the bonus, you got three shots to make two. Yeah, see, I think Bron would have dominated in that era.

It's just like, if we look at it, like the road LeBron had to travel, right? We talking about somebody that's coming in from high school. He 18. 18 years old, all this criticism on him. And this is like when the internet is kind of coming into his age. Absolutely. Got an opinion on him.

Mike didn't necessarily have to deal with that type of pressure. Now, Mike did deal with people outside the hotel rooms, waiting on him in newspaper articles. But like you just said, with social media today, it's one thing, it's a bittersweet thing. Everybody has an opinion, but everybody's opinion isn't validated because they haven't done it, right? I can't come to you and tell you,

I think you wrong about anything in football. I ain't never played in the NFL. Who am I to tell you? As a fan, I could give you my opinion, and that's what I always try to speak from, from a fan perspective. But when we talking about people that did it at a high level, sometimes you just gotta shut up, you know what I mean? And listen to what the greats is saying.

I mean, it's not very often that an 18-year-old gets to come in. He's the number one overall pick, and they hand him the keys to the franchise. They said, okay, we're going to go. We're only going to go as far as you take us. And he lived up to it. Now, he didn't have a whole lot of experience. He didn't get an opportunity to go to college and learn under a legendary coach. He didn't.

I mean, think about what he had. He came from a single parent home and he bounced around. So everything that you see, he's kind of like had to get it on his own. He had like trial and he hadn't had, you know, he hadn't had any missteps for the most part. Yeah, you could say people are like, well, what about the decision? Well, the girls and boys club got 500,000.

That wasn't a misstep. Exactly. Cause guess what? Somebody wanted to hear it. I'll tell you what, you think it boys club got 500,000. That wasn't a misstep. Exactly. Because guess what? Somebody wanted to hear it. I tell you what, you think it's a misstep, if he wasn't who he was, tell somebody else to have a decision. Yep. And see how they get covered.

Yep, I'm totally with you. I think, in my opinion, Brian is the greatest to ever do it. I think he went up against some of the greatest talent, right? Like Dwight Howard. We talking about Baby Shaq in his prime. You gotta go up against that seven games, right? You gotta go up against the San Antonio Spurs.

So he beat the Spurs, you know what I mean? They had to go up against the Dallas Mavericks, who was incredible. We may not look at them as the most athletic team, but them as a team, the Dallas Mavericks who was incredible. We may not look at them as the most athletic team but them as a team the Dallas Mavericks around that time they were incredible. And then to top it off Kevin Durant and the Warriors. Yeah. You know what I mean? Everything you had to go up against. Where would you and that's what I always tell people of all the NBA champions where would you rank that 1718 Warriors team? How many teams in history would you have over there that let's just go back to the

nineties when Jordan won his championships, what team did he face? Was the 1718 Warriors. Was it Seattle? No. Was it Utah? No. Was it Portland? No.

Was it Phoenix? I'm just trying to figure out. And so you looking at it, look, I mean, think about it. On that team, you got Steph and Clay, I mean, Steph and Draymond, all 75 team. You look at Portland, not Portland, San Antonio, Tim Dunkey's all 75th anniversary team. Kawhi's 75th anniversary team. Manu's not a 75th anniversary guy, is he? I don't think so.

Tony Parker, is Tony Parker one? I don't think Tony Parker one. But they make it seem like the only team that I think they should have beat. But when you go back and look at it, the Mavericks swept, see people sweep this under the rug, Sam. That Mavericks team swept the Lakers team that had just went back to bat. I just said, we forget about that because they weren't the most sexy, they wasn't athletic, but that was a great team. They swept the Lakers that had just went back to back.

They had a gentlemen sweep on OKC. But still for me, I think that was the only time that LeBron has probably been favored and he didn't win. And it was a thing I truly believe of him and D-Way didn't know who team it was yet. So I think they kind of- True, you know what made that case? I think they was looking for each other to lead

and kind of see who was gonna take the lead and it was kind of getting too late by that time. The Mavericks had already won two games. Right. Adam Silver on the NBA All-Star game next season at the Clippers, Intuit Dome, the All-Star game will feature some form Team USA versus Team World. All-Star game now will be in the afternoon instead of the evening. You like that change, Sim?

Oh, no. Oh, no. I feel like All-Star Game is, it's been a tragedy the past few years. Oh, man. It's been a tragedy, and I think when things keep becoming a tragedy and you keep trying things and it's not working,

just go back to the original way. Just go back to the original way just go back to the original way but the thing is though to them they don't play anymore sim i don't want to see no games and they're scoring 200 points but you know now all it is is dunks and threes they play no defense but you know why that is huh you know like I know those weekends ain't about the game no more. Nah, it's part of the city. It used to be about the game. You, they not coming in there.

Anthony Edwards had about nine events on Saturday, seven on Friday, three on Thursday, a brunch on Sunday before the game. I'm tired, man. They got me doing all this. So they, they got to find a way to bring the events kind of down a little bit or something to get these players time to kind of enjoy their families, enjoy their week off and show up on Sunday ready to play. And play. They got to play. But Ocho, I said this, I remember when I saw this thing going

left with the Pro Bowl. I said, they they going to cancel this before you know it. Nah, man, nah. I said, I'm telling you, they not finna keep paying y'all this money. They paying y'all. Oh Joe, they paying them a hundred thousand just to compete. I remember and we was competing. Oh Joe, you went shortly after I left the league. Y'all probably was making 15, 20,000 tops. Yeah, it wasn't that much.

Now they make it. Now you get 80, you get a hundred thousand if you win you get 50 75,000 if you lose and got now they out there playing touch football now They've turned it into a flag football and they got all these festivities where you know You try to hit the bulls eye and you get a move like come on I don't think back back then when we played on I mean everything it was about competing and it was competitive Might have been an all-star game. It might have been a pro bowl where you know those that were selected But when it was about competing and it was competitive. It might have been an all-star game. It might have been a Pro Bowl where, you know, those that were selected, but when it was time to play,

man, hey, Sam, boy, it was real. You know, when George, Kobe and them boys, and Shaq and them boys, when they made it all, when they had an all-star game, oh, they was finna play. It was a different level of focus back in y in your time because it wasn't so many distractions. So everybody was kind of like zoned in on their craft, zoned in on what it is they did. So when they came to play with the Ocho, right? When Charles Woodson got a guard of Ocho, he wanted to prove his point out there.

Absolutely. I'm trying to prove mine. Yeah. Now everybody's moving. I told Ocho, I said, look, when I went across that water, I was looking to light somebody ass up one on one because I didn't want you to think you get back to the mainland and can cover me. You couldn't cover me across the water, you can't cover me on the mainland.

So don't even come up with that bull job now. Yeah. Oh, that's fine. But I was just like, and the thing is, like you said, now it's a layup or three point shot. Oh, but I said, bro, y'all quit the holla Jordan. Y'all quit the holla Kobe. Y'all don't say nothing about them when it comes to the All-Star game. Y'all don't mention Kobe or Jordan.

But y'all quit the holla. They was killers. Yeah. Okay. When y'all gonna be turning some killers in the All-Star game? Yeah. I think it's just a different time now, Unc. Like, man, I seen this.

Shout out to Jason Crow Jr., a young player coming up out here in California. Went to one of his games, and I seen a few players, and they was just talking. And one of these kids was like, long as I get an NIL deal, I don't even worry about going to NBA. Yeah. And I was like, man, like the competitive nature of just grinding and wanting to achieve

your goal and that process is gone now because these kids getting so much money. You go to some of these colleges, the parking lot look like a Benz dealership. It does. It's different. And it ain't no more scat packs, no Hellcats, and all those track hauls. Them jokers got Ferraris, they got Lambos, they got Cullins in there.

Yup. I'm like, damn. Listen, you already, Sam, that's a short dream. You short changing yourself. No, the big dream, the big money, I mean, listen, NIL, what that's gonna be? That's good money, that'll hold you over, but I'm trying to get the 50, 70, 100 million.

Until you see everybody else you played with getting 250 million, and you talk about some damn NIL money, man, shit. Speaking of that, quick question for both of y'all. What's something from you guys' childhood that fueled y' your work ethic? I ain't have no running water. That'll do it.

Going outside with the mosquitoes biting you and you got to take rain and spray it to keep the mosquitoes off you. And you got to put a you got to put an overcoat on to go out in the woods. That'll motivate you. You ain't got no indoor plumbing. You ain't got no running water. You ain't got no air condition, that'll motivate you. You ain't got no indoor plumbing, you ain't got no running water, you ain't got no air condition, that'll motivate you. I mean, you go to like a warehouse and they got cement floors, that's what we had.

That'll motivate you, you got a tinned roof and you can look up and you can see the sun. That'll motivate you. Sometimes an empty stomach is all the motivation you need. You see, I had kids early, boy. I had kids early and obviously my dream, my dream was to play in the NFL and I had put in too much work as a little shorty,

as a little jit. I had to make it. I told myself, I'm gonna make it to the league. I remember telling coaches in high school, remember telling teachers I was gonna make it. They told me I was never gonna go mountain nothing, I needed that. He gave me a little chip, so I'm gonna make it. Obviously, and having kids early,

I gotta take care of these kids, boy. I ain't have no choice, and I wanted to be good at my craft, I wanted to be good. I didn't need the best, but whenever I left the game, people gonna say, boy, he was one of the best they ever played, that was motivating, boy. I left the game people gonna say boy use one of the one of the best ever play That doubt Empty stomach and an empty wallet what more motivation you need

And they I mean all the else to know That's it your grandma's like hey, ain't got no lights. Ain't got no phone to phone off cause you can't pay a $50 phone bill and they got no lights. So, you know, you gotta, you gotta, my grandma got to juggle some stuff around and you gotta make do

until she can come up to the next payday. Yeah. Oh yeah. All right, son, you gotta go out there and get some eggs cause we ain't got no eggs. So now we gotta go out there and get some eggs cause we ain't got no eggs. So now we gotta go out there and get eggs. We gotta find the eggs. We gotta run the GMs off the eggs.

Man, please. You know what I hate too? You know what I hate, Sam? And I, is people that you know it needs to be done right, but you're with your friends to do it. Like there's no self motivation. You can't get nothing done unless somebody else is doing it with you.

But I mean, you fooling yourself. You fooling yourself. And I used to I used to have that same problem. I used to have that same problem because I was afraid of fear and I was afraid of feeling by myself. So I was like, I either want to win with somebody or we fail together. And one thing I had to learn is like, God don't bless me. You know what I'm saying?

So you might bring in the wrong person. You might have the wrong person that you trying to walk into a situation that he don't belong in. And it's like, God ain't going to grant you what you looking for because you bring in, you bring in damaged goods to the table or what I'm trying to set for you. So I had to, I had to learn how to develop that confidence for myself for just sitting in that studio writing and being in this room and you know,

looking at my son in the face like, I'm doing it for you bro, I'm not doing it to, because I'm afraid no more. Or bringing all these people with me for validation because I'm afraid of what might happen if they not there. Like, nah, you gotta get up and go do it. If you fail, just fail forward and get up and keep going. Yeah, I remember when I had dreams about being something,

he didn't want a whole lot of people in my dream. I'm like, well, damn, I guess he tried to tell me something. Mm hmm. I wasn't supposed to bring a whole lot of people with me. Mm hmm. Oh, man. Even even even the biggest plays can only carry so much of a load Even the biggest planes Oh Joe even the biggest cargo planes there's only they can only carry so much Man so that's so true. My mom my mom said something to me the other day Man, that's so true. My mom said something to me the other day,

that it stick with me. I was telling her, she was trying to introduce me to somebody and I was like, mom, I don't even like meeting too many people no more because they come around with these expectations and they think you're supposed to do some. And I remember wanting to be in this space and be like, when I get my shot, I'm never gonna be mean or turn people down, I'm gonna take every picture.

But people take that for granted. And my mom says, I be like, when I get my shot, I'm never going to be mean or turn people down. I'm going to take every picture, but people take that for granted. And my mom says, I was like, it's hard for me to get along with people that now I feel like they don't understand me. And my mom said, uh, she said, she said, when you growing, she said, it's not that people don't love you when you growing, you hard to understand. Right? If you, if, if someone hasn't tried to grow, you're going you growing you hard to understand right if you if someone hasn't tried to grow you're gonna always be hard to understand because they stuck at where they at and you trying to go somewhere else and they may see that as

all you changing and because you not adopting the ideologies they have now you feel like you they feel like you devalue them when it's just like now bro it might be a better way we could grow together. So that's something I had to learn right there It's tough. It's tough because you know, a lot of times you want to the people that were around when you didn't have anything But a lot of times those people their minds doesn't grow like yours grow They think just because they're around they they're supposed to always be around. But at some point in time, you can look, I understand. But there has to be value that comes along with something.

The New Orleans Pelicans will continue to move forward with Zion Williamson as the face of their franchise, per Joe Dumars. I've had some real honest conversations with him, some real direct and honest conversations. We're going forward with Zion He's going to continue to be the focal point as we go forward Sam Since I honor Milwaukee, man

You gotta be honest. You gotta get it. Not for y'all. Let him go play with you But you gotta get him out of New Orleans. You got all that good food out there. You got all you... What's that plate? Dragos, they got that... The big oysters over there. You got the yogurt over there. The crab cakes. Oh my God. You got all that good food, man.

Get Zion where they got vegan options. You gotta get him out of New Orleans immediately. I think the run is done. I think the time has come for them to kind of blow this thing up and let them move on. It's over with. Damn. Ocho? Hey, we talked about Zion and Length for a very long time now. And he hasn't spoken at all. You know, we've all had our, our opinion.

Obviously I, I want to see him play ball. Whether it's New Orleans, I don't care. I don't care where it is. I just want to see him on the court because I know what he can do once he's out there, when he's healthy. Whether it be New Orleans, I'm not sure what's going to happen, but you know how this business works. And most of the players have all the leverage.

So unless he says he doesn't want to be there, he's going to be a Pelican. If he's going to be there, I just want to see him on the court, bro. That's it. It's hard to give up a superstar, trade a superstar, unless you're going to get one back in return. And that's why, you know- Is he a superstar? He's a star. I mean, the star, I mean, it looks, we had, they'd like, damn, we had AD, we lost AD and the next year we get Zion.

Ain't nobody, ain't no stars coming to new Orleans. And so that's why when these small market team, when they, when they land one of these big fish, they try to hold on to them as long as they possibly can. That's why Milwaukee bending over backwards, trying to make sure, what do you need? You need 10 Harley-Davidson's? We'll get them for you. What do you need? You need an Airbnb in Belize?

We'll get it for you. Because, think about it. You go Corrine, and then Corrine leaves, I think, at like 76, 75, 76. It's 30 years before you get Yonis. So it's not, you're not LA. You got Will, you got Jared West, you got Elgin Baylor, you got Kareem, you got Magic, you got James Worth it.

You got Kobe, you got Shaq, you got LeBron, you got AD, now you got Luca. It don't work like that for everybody. It don't work like that for everybody, see? Yeah. So when I get a guy, I'm going to do everything I possibly can. So Cleveland got LeBron, they, hey, you want to build us, you want you to, okay, we'll build our training facility close to where you live in Africa, okay, cool, no problem. You want to build us if you want you to build a real okay, we'll build our training facility close to where you live in Africa. Okay, cool. No problem

You want access? No problem Do you want your mama sitting here? No problem Cuz what's the likelihood of you ever getting another LeBron James if you Cleveland and then? So with that being said you move heaven and earth and you do everything you can to make sure they happy. Look, I agree with you, Ocho. I just want him to be healthy.

I want him to be healthy for two years in a row because I believe he can turn the corner because I can't be more than what, 25? Yeah. 24, 25? He's somewhere around there, somewhere. But I'm telling you, in order to keep him healthy, you got to get him out in New Orleans, man. You got to get him some vegan options. We got to get him some acai bowls.

We got to get him healthy out there. We all want to see him ball. We want to see him play. But it's always been a dilemma and they just, they can't seem to get it together. Well, good luck with that. Joe Dew, look, Joe Dew Mars has been around the game. He bit, I mean, he's been around the game 40 plus years. He's played with some great players.

He put some teams together. And so we'll see what he can do. We'll see what he can do. Euro Cup champion Tel Aviv are expected to make Russell Westbrook an offer never before seen in European basketball. Should Russ accept the money or stay? Basically he's going to be on a mid level or, or, or, or minimum contract. Oh, Joe Sam, does he take the big dollars to go overseas or does he stay right here? You say big dollars, how much we talking? I mean, I mean, in order to make it make sense, it's probably going to need to be

12, 15 million. Nah. Well, consider he'd make four, five million in the NBA. Hell nah. That ain't enough. That ain't enough. Absolutely not. Not for someone of his caliber.

What's the most money somebody's made in European basketball? Can we find that? We need to get, we need to, hey, AI, anybody want to advertise so we can just pull that up and then just pop up on my screen? So.

we can just pull that up and it just pop up on my screen. So. No, I think, I don't think Russ need the money, man. You know, Russ is invested in a lot of things. Oh, no, no, no, Russ don't need the money. Yeah, I don't think he'll go out there and play for the money. And then he don't want to be away from his family. He ain't moving his family overseas.

That's a real LA boy right there. I mean, he got a wife. I think his wife's name is Nina. He got kids, he got twins, he ain't going. Uh uh. Absolutely not. Makes no sense. And they couldn't offer him enough. Ah hell nah. The most money anybody's ever made in Europe is four million dollars a year. It's over. They might as well get go out there give them 12 at 10, you know Hey, you know, it can get crazy now if the Saudis had a league

now they Oh like they like they got like they got a they could pull you they could pull some NBA players a fighter there. They oh Yeah, you see what we're not over here and don't know and please They got like they got a good point. They could pull some NBA players if I do they're they oh, yeah You see what we're not over getting and don't know man, please Two hundred million a year. Hey, I yeah LeBron to leave for 200 million a year a year That's ridiculous. Yeah, I don't know. Hey going over there for a quick phone for four five years Yeah, to two hundred in here, I ain't never coming back. Yeah, as a matter of fact, get me a place to do pay.

Hey. With no taxes. I'm gone. I don't think, I don't think, you probably know you play tag zone. And they gave him a jet, and they gave him, what's it called? House, car, everything.

Yeah, they gave him a house, yeah. Hey, what's that money over there different, man? They got it. They got it. Big money. Sam, but check this out. Apparently, Ocho was in the gym today and he was tossing around some 120s.

Apparently, we got video evidence. Let's see what we got here. Hey, uh, hey. I'm just trying to figure out. I don't see no, we gotta zoom in. We gotta see the 120, cause them could be hundred. Damn, damn, damn, damn,

weights bigger than my damn chest. Somebody to be, you know what it is. Yeah, them some big weight. Oh yeah, them some big weights. Okay, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm strong. I'm strong. I just like this. Four.

Whoo. Yeah. It's like it's a life. No, no, no, no, no, no. We don't do anything less than six. Oh, we don't do anything less than six. Who? Ooh. We don't do anything less than six. Listen, listen, when I go in there tomorrow, right,

tomorrow is legs for me, right? But Sam, just for him, I wanna show him, I saw Aaron Donald doing 130s, right? So I'm like, okay, Aaron Donald doing 130s, I know I could do 120s, I could do five. So tomorrow I'm gonna go to 140s, I'm gonna do a set while I'm fresh. You ain't gonna do none.

Listen to me, you told me I couldn't do 120s and I just gave you five right there. But he did it on the incline. I can do it on the incline, it's me. What you mean what's the difference? It's me, it's me, I can do that, man. You keep telling me what I can't do and I keep showing you I can do it.

You told, hey, Sam, you gonna see me tomorrow, right? I'm gonna post it. Tomorrow's leg day, but I just wanna show Unc I could do 140s and I'm gonna do it on Inclin, cause he just told me I couldn't. He sound like my teachers in high school. They told me. Now I'm on night cap.

I mean. I'm on night cap. You hear? There it is Unc, he said he go do it tomorrow. I'm gonna let him have it. He go catch me. I'm gonna sneak in the Florida one day and catch him in the gym.

Let everybody see what I can do. For what? They're doing real bad. What you putting up in there, what you looking like in there? Nothing, nothing. We lift the same amount of weight. And no, we about the same size right now, but we lift the same amount of weight and no, we about the same size right now,

but we lift the same amount of weight. Hey, Sam, Sam, right now I lost about 20 pounds. I got a little something going on right now, but give me a little bit of time. I'll get past that. I'll deal with you down the road, don't you? Well, you got to listen, you done lost weight and I'm gaining weight, but it's cool. That's okay.

I still, I probably still can do those 120s. I ain't at the 150s like I used to be, but I, give me, I tell you what, give me six months. You do 150s? Okay, then I do 150s tomorrow, just to show you where I'm at. Man, you gonna cave your grill in. Man, listen. Hey, hey, hey, Sim, you gonna cave your grill in. Man, listen.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Sam, you know, not on no funny shit. You can see, you can see the frame, man. I'm sculpting like a Greek, like a Greek god, man. I just hoodie on so you really can't see it. And you know, my girl be trippin' about having my shirt off so. Nah, I thought you had, what you call it, a nightcap tattooed on your chest.

Oh, you got a hoodie on? Oh I I'm gonna add damn on your I'm like damn he really like nightcap he done got tattoos Yeah, hey listen, I'm ready. I'm ready for the summer man. I said when the summer start Summers here. I think June 20th June 21st 22nd official summer. Hey boy boy June 21st, 22nd, official summer. Hey, where age? Boy.

From what I- Sam, we appreciate you stopping. Don't ask him, go ahead. What do you wanna say? Summer's here. I seen some nice soft legs today, Uncle. Summer's here. You seen some what?

Some nice soft legs. I'm soft. I got tunnel vision. I ain't seen nothing. I'm blind. You blind? No, I appreciate y'all for having me, man. Big fan of the show, as y'all for having me man. Big fan of the show as y'all already know. Love

We going up tomorrow for the NBA final. Shout out to the payout scouts big watch party tomorrow Love what y'all doing here at nightcap man. Appreciate you. Oh, appreciate you. Y'all keep killing me man Tell them where we can find you. What are you on our IG? You got a Facebook? You got what YouTube? What you got going on? Tell us where we can find you. At the real symbol on all platforms, that's T-H-E-R-E-A-L-S-Y-M-B-A. You can find that amongst all socials, man. And keep supporting Nightcap

because we like to do something before do something. That's what I'm talking about. Sam, we appreciate that, man. All the best, continued success. When you get some time, stop by again for us. Definitely will, huh? Appreciate y'all. All right, guys.

Ocho, we're gonna get you out of here on this one. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Hey, you ain't know the world's wrong, huh? They're a nice and clean and nice and slow, too. Quentin Mobley said, I don't think, hey, you know what's funny? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I mean, you know what's funny? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I mean, you know what's funny?

I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I mean, you know what's funny? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh?

I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh?

I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I think people don't, hey, you know what's funny? I think people don't really understand how heavy that is, huh? I mean, you, you see it all the time. You've done it all the time, but I think people that go to the casual gym where they don't even have 120 pound dumbbells, I don't think they understand how heavy that is. I really like that.

I told you, if she ain't 180. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy, hey fam, what's one thing today players do better than your era? And what's one thing they'll never touch from your generation? Their mortality. Who that? The players. Oh yeah, yeah, oh years.

It's called evolution. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's called technology. Yeah, most definitely. I'm telling you, that's what happens. They got better diet. They got better training. They got a better, they got, they got,

they starting from a better foundation. Most definitely. I do think we have a better appreciation. Yes. But I ain't finna sit here and say, oh, you know, look, there are certain players that were talented, but I'm somebody overall, the talent in all sports, because they got better training,

they got better nutrition, they got better technology. But just the way it is. I mean, think about when Tiger, Tiger 1997 burst onto the scene. Think about how far he was hitting the golf ball. He was on where they could do it. Now they got 20 balls, 20 guys, 30 guys that could hit the golf ball as far as Tiger. Look at the guys.

We were in awe the way Reggie Miller and Larry Bird and Mark Price, them guys shot the ball. Man, they got three, four guys on the team that shoot the cup off the ball. It is what it is, Ocho. I accept it. I don't know, man, my generation, we did what we did, but they got better technology now.

They got more, it's called advancement. You know how I know? Look at medicine. They don't do surgery the same way, Ocho. Ain't no guy missing. Your career's not over when you have ACL. Your career's not over when you have an Achilles injury. I mean, stuff that used to people would done.

Now guys come back, look at Kevin Durant. If somebody didn't tell you, you wouldn't know Kevin Durant came, well, came off an Achilles injury. Lady Ray finally back. Uh, lady Ray, Hey guys, love and challenge T who's your favorite Simpson character. Mine is Ralphie. Who? Q Bart. Yeah. favorite Simpson character. Mine is Ralphie. Who? Shoot, Bart? Yeah, Homer, Bart, Lisa, Marge.

You can't name all of them. We say who's your favorite one. But I'm just saying, Ash was asking me, do I know any of the Simpson characters? Look, I like the Simpsons. American Dad's mad. Okay, what about South Park?

Give me Stewie. Give me Stewie and Brian. Stewie's funny, boy. Stewie's funny, boy. Stewie's funny. You watch South Park? I watched a little bit of it. Do you have a favorite character

or you don't know most of them? I don't really know the character. I used to watch, what's the one used to come on MTV Beaver's a bunny So if I had to say Over Many citizens been old damn this 40 years that So we here's they were they was coming on when I was in college funny and for some reason the Simpsons are very good at

predicting history But they damn they're close to it Every time there ain't no goddamn coincidence. Yeah every time. No You're right. Here's the R said, uncle Ocho, you were both leaders in your locker room. How would you have handled the Dolphins bullying scandal if that would happen in your locker room's endeavor Baltimore Cincinnati? Well, first of all, that would have never happened.

Ain't nobody, ain't nobody going to be saying all that. What, what happened? They said it wasn't bullying, but there was some racial appetite being being thrown around in the locker room. Now to the extent of it, I don't know. I wasn't there, but that ain't what we did. What are we talking about? Bullying and winning?

I know we ain't talking about Richard and Cognito. I guess a Richard, Richard and Cognitoognito and, and, and, and, and bullying you grown ass man, man, in the NFL, you 300 something pounds about somebody book, get your ass. No, we don't do that. But even if it wasn't bullying, we ain't gonna, we ain't gonna be hurling no racial epitaphs. Oh, I don't remember that part.

Okay. My bad. Lily. But look, hopefully they got it resolved. I mean, look, our locker room was harmonious. Did the guys fight? Yeah. But they fought over, they fought over, you know.

Shh, didn't fight. Oh, they fought in the locker room. Damn training camp, we had to get in training. You know, hey, you say the wrong thing we had to get Tracy, you know, hey, you said the wrong thing or you know something, you know, hey. Look, I think sometimes, don't you, people think because you make X amount of dollars, that some of the same things that will set somebody out

that doesn't make money, will set a person up that make money. And I'll tell you, guys ain't gonna let, there's a certain level, I don't care how big you are or how old you are, guys ain't gonna just let you blatantly disrespect them. Because no matter where you are, the number one currency is respect. So Casey Taylor, Star Binge Cut, Deuce Macalister, Warwick Dunn, Brian Westbrook. Unc, this is for you. So Ocho, you got Deuce McAllister, Warwick Dunn.

No, no, no. He said Unc. He said Unc. No, no, no. This is for, no. He said Unc. For you, I got Algie Crumpler, Randy McMichael, Chris Cooley. So I got the tight end. You got the running backs. You want me to go first? Algie Crumpler, Randy McMichael, Chris Cooley. So I got the tight end, you got the running backs. You want me to go first? Yeah, I'm gonna go first. You want me to go first or you going first? I'm going first? Okay.

I'll take, I'll start Algie Crumpler. start Algie Crumpler. Ooh, six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. I guess I go McMichael, Ben Shilman, and cut Cooley. But you can go either way, I mean, I mean, I probably should start, bitch Cooley and Randy McMichael. But I'll go, I'll go Algy, Randy or Cooley. So I got Deuce McAllister, Warwick Dunn and-

And Brian Westbrook. Oh my God. Nah. It's, my start is out of Brian Westbrook and Warwick Dunn. I just, I'm trying to figure out which one, is Brian Westbrook. They're very similar guys. Yeah, I'm glad that we were able to say the same thing.

Very similar guys. Who was a little bit more dynamic. Brian Westbrook was nice. Warwick Dunn was nice as well. They both played the same. They can catch the ball out the backfield. Deuce McAllister was a big back-on. Yep. He was. He is a big boy. I wonder who had the better career out of Warwick. Because you know Warwick had started at Tampa in Atlanta. In Atlanta, yeah, I remember.

Dan, that's a good one. Well, give us a good answer. You know what? I'm gonna go with Warwick Dunn, sing before what he does in the community. I'm gonna start Warwick Dunn. Live single mothers. I'm gonna bench him, I my bench in Westbrook.

And I love, I love Deuce. That's my boy, my New Orleans Saint dog. I'm gonna cut Deuce. Damn. Yeah. Sir K said, my guy, should Michael Parsons play sit out until he gets his contract? Well, look, he's at OTAs.

I don't know if he's doing it. I don't know if he's like participating, but I know he shows up. He's getting his workout in, probably doing his conditioning, but he probably not doing anything on the field. I think they're going to get something done before he goes. Uh, he keeps telling them. Here's a David Mugaleta, uh, is his agent Jerry is trying to get it.

You know, Hey, I can talk to Michael, blah, blah, blah. No, you didn't. You, but he didn't do all this stuff. He didn't do this with, you know, hey, I can talk to Michael, blah, blah, blah. No, you didn't. But he didn't do all this stuff. He didn't do this with a DAC. He didn't try to go to DAC, say, hey, DAC, let's work this contract out. He went through Tom France. But he also, also what he did is he waited

to the last minute. But I'm saying, he trying to circumvent. Like he going, oh. He didn't do that with Tony Romo. He didn't say, hey, hey, Romo. Now all of a sudden he wanna do that with Mike. One thing about it is Mike ain't falling for it. If you know Mike, if you know Mike.

No, nor should he. He didn't do that with Mike, he didn't do that with Mike, he didn't do that with Emmy, he didn't do that with Troy, he didn't do that with time. I'm trying to think out now why he trying to do this. If you know Mike personally, he ain't falling for that. Nor should he. No, he not falling for that. No, he ain't falling for that. No. Aaron Owens, can I get my birthday shout out?

It's my 29th birthday. Aaron, happy 29th! Um, hopefully you did so. I don't know if it was yesterday or is it today, because if you're on the East Coast, it's today. Or it was yesterday. But whatever the case may be, hopefully you have a blessed and enjoyable birthday celebrate many more

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He says, you know what, body just can't take it anymore. I got a standard in which I play too. I can no longer play at that level. And the Bay Area, LA bass now, talented rapper, my boy Simba. Sim, thanks for stopping by, man. We really, really appreciate that. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.

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