Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho are welcomed by Olympic Champion Melissa Jefferson-Wooden!

Episode Date: August 17, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson are joined by Olympic Champion Melissa Jefferson-Wooden on Nightcap! Terry McLaurin is put on the PUP list amid contract tension, and the Eagles-Chiefs could make NFL history this season and much more! 0:00 - Melissa Jefferson joins the show37:20 - Terry McLaurin contract extension coming soon?40:35 - Eagles and Chiefs set to make NFL history?47:14 - Q & Ayyyy (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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She's fresh off her second diamond league win. She's the fastest woman in the world in 2025. She's undefeated into 100 meters in 2025. And she won the 100 and the 200 at the USA track and field trials this year. you will represent the USA in Tokyo, September 13th to the 21st. Here she is, ladies the gentleman, Melissa, Jefferson, Wooden. Melissa, how are you doing? Good.

How are you guys? We're doing amazing. Let me start you with this. You get off to a great start. You run high 10th, early in the season, and you haven't let up. Do you feel you're in the type of shape, you're in the type of condition, you're in the type of condition that you can go to the championships and maybe run sub 1060? You feel you're in that kind of condition?

The right track, the right conditions, the right people, because you're going to have offering in that race. You're going to have Toulou in that race. You're going to have Tia Clayton in that race. You're going to have your training partner, Shakari Richardson, in that race. So you're going to have the competition. Will the conditions permit you with the fitness that you're in right now? I think so and I think really it just boils down to you know me at the end of the day just

continuing to do the things that's been working for me with it which is you know showing up and executing my race to the best of my ability and I think I definitely do think that is possible I think you got a lot of confidence last year when you got that bronze medal in Paris when you got that bronze medal and you like it's just something about it's just something about you like man but I can tell you weren't satisfied

training with the world champion and coming into this season what were your expectations Melissa coming into this season because did you know you had this kind of you had to I mean to back it up there haven't been a whole lot of women that back up 106 with another 106 that haven't happened

you got to go back to Shelly and Fraser Price you got to go back to Elaine Thompson You've got to go back. There ain't a whole lot of women that have done what you just did. Yeah, so I think the biggest thing for me going into the 2025 season is starting it out healthy. I started training for Paris with a lingering issue from the previous season. And also I had just joined Star Athletics with Dennis Mitchell and Cherie Flue. So it was definitely like a lot of things happening all at once.

And it was like once we, once I really didn't actually even get a good footing in yet. And then it was kind of like, oh, wow, like no, something's wrong. Like it was to a point to where I actually had to stop training with the group for about two and a half months. And so those days where I was like on the bike and watching them be able to go out there and train and get after like even though they were, there were some days where, you know, they were dying on the ground. It's like, I want to be there with me, y'all. Like, I want to be able to feel that pain. I want to be able to say, like, hey, I put the work in just like everyone else. And then once reality started to set in of just like, you know, this is where you're at right now.

This is your situation. Let's move on from there. It was really just about getting while my physical was getting back right, just making sure that my mental was intact and, you know, not losing sight of what the goal was and that was to make the team. And so when the time came, you know, obviously we went to Olympic trials and our whole training. group, we swept the women's 100 meter and I don't think that's something that's been done in an Olympic loan at a U.S. champions in a long time, you know, three women from the same training group to make the team. So that was definitely something, you know, I was happy to be a part of. And then going into Paris, it was just about, you know, I felt like I really had a good

chance to win the whole thing. But it was also just in that moment. When I saw my name come up in that last spot, it was, you know, and it wasn't a goal, it was a goal in my eyes because I had overcome so much that year to be able to have my name up there. So, yeah. Yeah. Sister, you've been, you've been very, very successful. I just, I just, I've never been able to run track, but all that you've accomplished,

the big stages that you've been on, I would love to know. I know what the feeling like is coming out that tunnel where people are scream your name. I want to know what is that feeling like when you get in those blocks and it's silent. What's going through your mind? Are you nervous? You have butterflies. What is that feeling like? So I think this year for me, like once it gets silent, it's almost kind of like I get to use that opportunity as for me to give myself that last minute pep talk in a sense of just like, okay, you're here. make the best of this situation or this opportunity that that's being presented.

And once they say, on your mark, I say, here we go. And that's that. When the gun goes off, whatever happens, happens. I think you gained a lot of confidence, Melissa. Look, you beat the reigning Olympic champ. You get the race every day, practice against the reigning world champ. But I think when you beat, Alfred, the St. Lucian, when you beat her, it's just like you got 10 feet tall you like I did this my year I saw it I saw we I saw

when you beat her something came over you and I don't know if you felt that before that race but when you beat her that day and you ran the time that you ran you like oh yeah I'm I'm on to something yeah um I think honestly and truly for for me that race was obviously it was basically an Olympic rematch. And so I remember being in the tunnel and going out there and I just remember saying, like, you know, they're not going to get you twice. You know, in life, you have situations where things may or may not go your way, but it's all about how you come back or bounce back from those situations,

whether it win in your favor or not and you learn from them and you grow from them. And so that's literally been my approach this year as well. You know, after I realized how content I was with how the 2024 season went for me, it really was about me coming into this year and saying, okay, well, let's see what a healthy Melissa can do. And once we realize, like, hey, you're healthy, you're doing the things that you need to do, let's build on that. Let's be the best Melissa that, you know, you can possibly be. Because this is like literally what you're seeing right now is something that I've always dreamed

of doing and to be living part of that dream. right now is just, you know, mind-blowing, but also not very surprising, too, just because I've been putting in the work. Like, I've been working my butt off. And so, you know, when I go out here and I run these races and I run these times and, you know, all of these other things, the things that's probably the most surprising to me is when you hear the history stats or how long it's been since something like this has been done, like that part of it is shopping. But when it comes to, like, you know, the times that I want to run and the way I'm going about executing my races and how I'm showing up and competing, like,

none of that is a surprise because I literally worked for it every single day in practice. When you talk, do you understand there's only been two women to go to 10 sub six? You got Flojo, the great Flojo, who run 1049, and you got Elaine Thompson Harrow, who's run 1054. You got an opportunity to do something special. And I mentioned that great season that Shelly and Fraser Price had, where she had like 10, she had six 10 six uh six uh races uh in that season and we mentioned elaine thompson she went 1054 and then she came back at the pre i think it was the pre fontaine of the worlds and ran 1061 and for you to i mean when i saw when i when i saw the time today 1065 it looked like 1065

i thought today was like 1071 1072 i said but because you weren't challenged now i know you couldn't see all the way outside. I think that was Clayton that was way outside in lane nine. And I don't know if you could see her, but you like, you get out. I mean, you, I mean, you push, I mean, hey, MJ, you get out of those

blocks. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. And that's really what the what the race plan today was about. You know, my coach just made sure to tell me like, hey, I want to put this race to bed in the first 30 meters. And so that's what I

trying to go out there and do like it's literally that's how it goes for me uh every single race there's something uh whether it be hey when you get to your transition you need to hit it this way or hey let's let's put it to bed early per se so you know it's it's really just that right you um i'm i'm thinking i'm like when you go you go into a race and dennis and dennis was a great start of himself is like when you says okay okay, put it in the bed in the first 30. Okay, you get out. Now you get into your transition.

Do you look around? I mean, can you feel like, okay, I can shut it down. Because the way you got out today, had you stayed on the gas, you might have could have dipped down to maybe 1062, 1063. Yeah. So what's crazy is I agree with you. I didn't think that 1066 was going to pop up on the clock today. I really just wanted to go out there and be like, hey, okay, you know,

One, let's get an overseas P.B. I haven't ran that. The fastest I've ever ran overseas was 1092, which isn't bad, but, you know, obviously you always want to aim for better and things like that. And for Americans, you know, coming over, we call it going across the pond, you know, that you have the travel, you have the jet lag and everything. The food of you may have. It's a lot of factors within that.

But I made sure to set myself up for the, the, basically, I'm not. I've made sure to set myself up to be able to go out there and run as fast as I possibly could today. You know, even if that meant leaving an extra day early so that I would have time to get to travel out my legs or, you know, being a student in the sport and asking people around me who've done this before multiple times like, hey, like what works for you when it comes time for these long flights? Like, how do you get over your jet lag? How do you recover from the plane ride and things like that? So, you know, just being proactive and not being afraid to ask questions or, you know, wanting to learn from that as well because I want to be doing this for a long time. So I always want to make sure that I'm putting my best foot forward. And that's, you know, utilizing all of my resources, doing research on my own, whether it be asking some of my training partners or asking people who ran in the past and done this for many, many years.

You know, I want to make sure that if I say I want to be one of the best in the sports, then I'm doing the things that I need to do in order to be the best in the sports. you know what i'm curious i have my daughter runs track of university kentucky she runs a four and eight right now i'm curious at your level at the highest at the highest level how does the training how is the training going you know how do the training sessions go for us when you think about football let's let's say there's a game on sunday right monday yeah monday is a film day tuesday y'all wednesday and thursdays you hitting it hard friday you take wednesday and thursdays and it's not as, it's not as, it's not as hard.

Intense. What's the word? What's the word? Yes, it's not as intense. You know, Saturday, walk through. Sunday, you play your game. So when it comes to tracking and you have a race coming up, what do the days look like? Well, how do you know how to train without peeking before you actually do the race itself? Hey guys, it's AZ Fudd. You may know me

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the week before us trials we were like really i would i call it being in the lab where we do one day on one day off so we'll have um a heavy sprint day which we're doing like blocks and a lot of sprint training so whether that be overspeed training or you know getting like close to fAT timing you know just seeing where we are right with flat foot speed and then being able to take those two things and translate it over and then we'll come the next day and then have an off day where we'll just do strides and things like that and we'll do that um basically going into the week of u.s trials and then when we get to us trials it's just about you know doing things that's going to keep the body awake and alert, but also not trying to do too much.

So we'll do something like maybe like a 150, but the pace will be slower, you know, and we'll just work on technique and things like that. And then we'll have another down day, and then what we call it pre-meat, which is the day before the meat starts, and that would be the day where we do our blocks. And it's really just some pop-out blocks. We'll have about maybe two or three of them and a nice little quick run, or I say quick run, quick sprint like maybe 60 meters or something like that and then we'll hit it if the time is good all right shut it down take your shoes off go cool down and that's it oh that's dope wow you know

you know it sounds like honestly the way you guys train you train a different phase of the race but you never actually run the full race before you actually do it oh yeah absolutely and i feel like that's probably something that's definitely worked to my advantage a lot um especially like when we have our sprint days like we'll literally have two different sessions but they're like you said working on both parts of the races we'll have a part in our yeah like we'll have a part in our in our practice where we do strictly blocks but we won't go out but so far right and then we'll come on the second half of the day and do you know sprints something like that whereas we can put together what we did in the blocks but also work on the latter ends of our races and you know it gives coach an opportunity to really see the areas where we're not as strong or where our strong points are and then how we build off of those and then make those weaker points stronger. Right. That's go.

Melissa, you was mainly known as a 100 meter specialist, but when you go down there and you lay the time that you laid down in the trials, they're like, hold on. What happened to the 100 meter specialist? No, no, no, no, there is a legit chance. You can double. Mm-hmm. It is because, look, the St. Lucian, she ain't going anywhere. That's your competition. You know that. Look, Toulou is Toulou. She's a big, she's a big race. And we know the Jamaicans from Shelly Ann Praiser and Elaine and Hara. They're not, Shelly Ann is going to be there. Elaine isn't. Shereka Jackson, they are big game hunters. They show up in the world and the Olympics. The Jamaicans show up. But you know Toulou. But your competition, you know it, is probably going to be right next to you. Four and five, y'all are probably going to be right next to each other. The same.

Lucian Julian Alfred yeah she ain't going anywhere she's getting a hundred and two hundred you mentioned Paris you like damn I was injured going in and I got a bronze I'm happy I'm thankful you got if I'm not mistaken I think you got the you got the silver at the the at the world right no so so I got bronze in a hundred at um well yeah I got bronze in the hundred in Paris uh and And I got still over at Olympic trials. Trials. Yes.

So now, how do you train? Because, like, the premier race is the 100. But you know, you're like, well, hell, I'm here. I might as well be greedy. I might as well be greedy. And get double gold. I might as well. Yeah.

So me and the 200 have a love-hate relationship. It ain't never had no problems with me, but I have problems with it. So I'm kind of, you know, we don't have as much problems anymore. That's because I know how to run it now. And then I'm not scared of the pain. Really, for me, it was always the pain in the 200 that was the thing that I feared the most. But after getting over that, like, hey, the pain is, it's like, lactic is lactic at the end of the day. It's going to be in your, yeah, very, right, temporary.

But I'm in shape. I'm in good shape. So, you know, you have. You're in phenomenal shape. Thanks. To put, no, no, no, no, no, look, I'm a track aficionado. To go back to back 65, 66, like I said, there haven't been a whole lot of women, and we've had some great 100-meter runners.

And I'm not just talking about Americans. I'm talking about from the Jamaicans and, hey, Marian Jones, and you go back to, well, obviously, they weren't running times back then. But you look at Marion Jones, you look at Flojo, you look at Evelyn Ashford, you look at Gayle Dever, you look at Elaine Thompson and Shelley Ann Frazier, and you look at Shakari to put together 65 and 66 and back-to-back races, that doesn't happen often. Yeah. So you're in phenomenal shape.

I just hope you can, I just hope, MJ, you can hold on to this. Oh, yeah. If you hold onto this kind of shape, there's something special in store for you in Tokyo. Because I know she's going to bring the best out of you, and you're going to bring the best out of her. And with that track and a favorable condition, and hopefully we can get something. about 1.5 to 1.8 behind you. Yeah. Come on.

I'm going to come on with it. Come on with it. Come on with it. I'm telling I'm going to be hype. I'm going to be hype. But in the 200, with your count of speed, what, and you say you were scared of the pain, because the 200 with your kind of speed, you got to get out.

Because you don't like, like, like Gabby can run to 400. run to 400 she can run 49 400 right so she has that kind of endurance that strength to come on at the end you like i'm gonna do i'm gonna do a leonado de caprio catch me if you can because i'm gonna get out here on you yeah and i think for me it's always just about well for any athlete it's just you know knowing what your strengths are and letting your strengths play to your event and I know because even if you go back and you look at when I ran in the Miami Grand Slam that was that was my first I would say like I ran the 200 in Kingston but the win was like crazy I ran into like a negative 4.7 win or something so I've yeah literally ran with a hurricane in my face so at that point you ran into a hurricane yeah so that like at that point it's just about like nobody cares about this I'm like just put your head down and run but so I say Miami was was probably my first real 200 of the year. And I'm in a race with the Olympic gold medalist,

the Olympic bronze medalist, and then all these other women who run the 200 on a regular, and I don't. Yeah. So going into that race, I was just kind of like, I won the 100 the day before. I ran a 10-7.

It was windy, but it's just like, okay, it's still 10-7. Like, okay, let's go back out there the next day and see what we can do. Like, let's see what we got in the tent. There's no expectation on what I can do on the line and let's see what you got. And that's what I did. I got out, like my life depended on it,

and I got to about 150, like 100 meters specialists would do and faded. I swam for about the last 30 meters of the race. And every time I go back and look at that race, I'm like, man, Melissa, you were right there. Like, okay, bet. You were right there. Next time, it won't happen again.

And when we got to Philly, that's literally what I did. I got blessed with the lane draw once again. And I just remember getting out on the curve. And when we came off the curve, it was just like, oh, wow, you're in the front. Hold it. Stay in the front. Like, come on, let's do this. And even then, I kind of feel like, not that I held back a little bit in that 200,

but it was almost like, I think she's going to come and catch me eventually. So it was kind of like almost I was waiting for her to do that. It was like, Melissa, why did you do that? like why don't you just trust your abilities why didn't you think that you were fully capable of winning this race no matter who's in the race you know and so going into trials or i won philly and then going into trials it's just like okay let's just go out there and see what you got you know you're strong enough to do it you know you know how to execute a race just go out there and do it like stop getting in your own way and go out there and do what you know you can do and so that's what i did and i'm happy like 2184 for For me, you don't even want to know what I had written down on my goals for the 200 this year. Like, surpass that. Probably, probably 22 flat, low 22 or maybe 22 flat. But I think what running the 200 did.

It was definitely 219. Okay. And you surprised, so you went 218. Mm-hmm. But I think what the 200 did do is that it gave you the strength that you can hold on to that 100 meters. I'm expecting something really, I'm expecting something special. I'm expecting something that only Flojo has been able to do. I'm expecting you to go, I can see a scenario, you go high 21, 10,5.

I can see that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I can too. I like it. So let me ask you this. As where you are mainly a 100 meter, now you're into, the 200, how different is the training from the one to the two?

For us, it's actually not that different. We pretty much do the same things we do for the 100 for the 200. The way our coach trains us, it's literally like, you either got it or you don't. You know, it's kind of one of those things. And then obviously, you know, when it comes to a certain part of the races, like, there is an extra 100 meters. So, you know, it's all about teaching when we're getting out of the blocks and what we do at a point of the 200 and things like that. But when it comes to, like, whether if you're asking, like, do we do more strength endurance training for that or, you know, if different in that aspect of it, it's not that much.

And not, it doesn't vary a lot. Yeah. Right. Because a lot of, because like 400 meter runners, they'll do a lot of, they'll do a lot of, they'll do a lot of. a lot of six hundred two hundred meters running you'll probably do a lot a lot a lot more threes and for and for and for the uh the hundred meters you do a lot more 150 maybe 170 is like that so i it's interesting to see because they require different things you know obviously the the hundred meters is all about get out because i don't care

10-7 ain't catching 10-7 the first 10-7 to get out the block that's the 10-7 that's go cross the finish line first so those days are you running some of now. Absolutely. That's the thing. That's the thing in the past when you dealing with equal, you know, you and Julian and Ms. Alfred, when you guys get out and that's what you've been able to do, I'm like, I don't know if I've seen a woman get out of the blocks like you. I mean, it's almost like, I'm looking at you. You're like a two foot, like you push off like two feet. Normally you see that with me in. So, well, go ahead. I want to know what I want to know what how have you been able to like the way you thrust yourself out of the blocks.

So for me it's all about it. It's almost this thing to where like we do it every single day in practice. So the minute I here go, the first, the first thing. I think it's just like, okay, how much first step? I'm doing so, you know, obviously it's about, you know, you get to the technical side of things. So you talk about your stride length and all of that stuff. But for me, it's really just about how much can I get out of these first couple of steps? How can I set myself up to separate from the rest of the field? It's basically what I'm thinking in my head.

And whatever gets me to doing that is basically how I go about it. it's always fun though to be able to line up with women who have or who are just as capable of doing the things that I do you know as far as getting out the blocks like I like getting out the blocks with people you know I it makes me want to be better it makes me like if we can get out together um I'm I'm now I now want to see how I can get out faster than you like that's the type of athlete that I am I'm always looking for ways to improve always looking for ways to be a better Melissa and in doing that, you know, it comes, it boils down to perfecting my craft. And I do that every single day with my training partners in practice, you know, like we push each other past our limits sometimes and in good ways, obviously. But, you know, just, you know, bringing the best out of one another is, is I feel like why I've been able to do the things that I've been able to do. Like, you see me, how you say, like, I get out the blocks the way I do. I don't get out the blocks the way I do if I'm not being pushed like that in practice. So.

Right. And I'm no disrespect, but I forgot about the Great Brits, Darrell Nita and Dina Asher Smith. I'm sure they're going to, they're going to be on the line. They're going to have something to say about this. But Melissa, I mean, have you thought about, I mean, when you were growing up, did you ever, did you ever, did it ever cross your mind? I would be, I would be the fastest woman in the world. Not in a, not in, not in Texas or Florida, Georgia. I'm going to be the fact of 8 billion people. There is not going to be a woman in the world that can outrun me. Yes. Honestly, it's true. Yes. Like, there's no lies to it. I'm so dead serious.

Yes. I mean, look, I'm expecting, I'm expecting to go in the 100 meters. I'm going to be, I'm expecting the time. I'm expecting you to lay down something. that we're going to be talking about leading in the 28 because obviously the Olympic is going to be in LA and hopefully you know you can stay healthy but I'm expecting something special because I know you got it in you and the way you run the time that you've run it ain't no well she ran 108 now she ran 11 flag she ran 1078 and now she run 1092 now it went from 1088 1086 1084 8 82, 75, 72. I'm like, what die on? Hey, does she got, does she got a hurricane behind or something?

Because the time she's laying down and the consistency in which you're laying these times down. Oh, yeah. You know, consistency is the name of the game in our sport. And I feel like the biggest thing for me this year also just on top of everything else that I've been doing, whether it be my mindset or anything like that, is just being disciplined. and who I want to be on those days where, you know, I may not be feeling my best or, man, I'm a little tired today. Coach for beating us up all week, like make sure to keep showing up for myself, you know, because at the end of the day, I don't want to get to Tokyo and be like,

man, if I would have just said that I want to cool down a lot, or if I would have just sucked it up and came to the day, or if I would have did that throughout. then maybe like I don't want to I don't want to leave with any doubts of no regret everything that I did I didn't leave or I didn't do yes I can't get the word doubt for some reason excuse me it's five o'clock in the morning no here but yeah and we thank you for your time because there are two you get a lifetime of discipline or a lifetime of regret now the lifetime of discipline is something that you can look back and you can be proud of that regret is something that you can't go back and undo I And so like I said, I'm expecting you, you look fit, you are fit for you to run those times that you've been running the consistency in which you've been running. Melissa, so I'm expecting you when you win, when you win, which you will win, we're going to speak in it. They say there's power in the tongue. We're going to speak it into existence. You're going to win and you're going to come back here and we're going to have something very, very special for you on night count.

So when you win the 100 meters, come on back and have a conversation with us. Okay. All right. That's a deal. But listen, thank you so much. Thank you for your time. Appreciate you staying up or getting up early in the morning to have this conversation with us. You can tell that we are big track fans.

We cover the Olympics. We're going to cover the world championships. We didn't get an opportunity to come out to the trials. But moving forward, we will be at the trials. Hey, Ocho, in her downtime, she likes playing calls. of duty and say she'd be, hey, she say what, she says she was a size 14 and she'd be putting pussy guys. You say she'd be putting pussy guys. You play college duty for real? I do. I do. Okay, okay. We're going to have to run. We're going to have to run one. We're going to have to run one.

Now we're not. Okay. I'll be talking. I like it. I like it. All right. Got you. Here's your, ladies gentlemen, Melissa Jefferson Wooden. She's the U.S. champ in the 100 meters and the 200 meters. And the 200 She'll be representing the U.S. in the 100, the 200, and the four-by-one. Hey, you can pick up a fourth goal. You jump on that four-by-four. You got that in? Oh, listen, if they want to win, they should leave me off of it this year.

I'm just being honest. I'm just being honest. Melissa, congratulations on all your success. Stay healthy, and we look forward to talking to you real soon. Thank you for joining. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Take care. Man, oh, Joe. Man, I don't know what to do. Any time you talk about track. Boy, you be a, boy, you go. You see, when we talk about, don't nothing excite me.

Football, basketball, nothing excites me like tracking field. So see how you get, how you get with track and field. When we talk about soccer, boxing, into a way, soccer boxing. If one more thing. Soccer boxing. Yeah, that's about it. Soccer and boxing, but I don't know what it is, Ocho.

I think it's the fact of, you know, being the next track athlete and knowing what you put in. Because guess what, Ocho, you can't rely on nobody else. It's you. It's you. And then you can't be mad at the results you didn't get for the work you didn't put in. You heard what she said? I heard a guy the other day.

He said, motivation and discipline. He said, What happens on the days that you're not motivated, are you disciplined? Think about that on the day, motivation and discipline. They're very different things because you're not going to always be motivated, but will you stay disciplined? I'll get up when you don't want to. Studying, watching track and field for as long as I have and studying this young

and watching this young lady run, Ocho, I don't know if the chat realized how impressive what she just did is i don't think they understand the gravity or the magnitude of her running the time she ran what she's done she's put herself in a very very elite company very very elite she's fit she's gonna have the people in the race to lose from the ivory coast the st luci and julian offer it those two great brits darrell nita and dina asher smith shikari look they're gonna the women are going to be there i believe the conditions the favorable condition if she can get a 1.5 to 1.8 and she can get out like she got out today she's going to she's not the difference is also you got rounds so hopefully she doesn't get anybody that hopefully she can just like you know just

get because all you want to do is get through all you're trying to do is get through you're trying to you're trying to not you're trying to expel as little energy as you possibly can because now when it comes to final i'm emptying the tank with the condition that she's in the fitness she can go she can run she can roll she can run low 106 or high 10 5 which only two women have ever done that elaine thompson harrow and flojo the great if you look at the field if you look at the field that she'll be running against you know not going you might not have a choice but to run that oh yeah that that that that that that that you that that horn that that that long horn julian alfred from st lucia oh oh oh they come him i can't get but i saw ocho i saw her when she beat her something and she was she was giggling

and she's like yeah it's that calm for this ocho that is the reigning olympic champ She got out. Catch him if you can. That's dope. She knows that's the type of race she's going to have to run. Man, I, man, I can't wait for the hook. Hey, come on. Come on there, Jay.

Bring it home. When is it? Tokyo. The September 13th through the 21st. Right around the corner. Right round the corner. Right around the corner. I'm just hoping she can hold on to that fitness for another month.

Hold on to that fitness. Hold on. because a that's going to be a race but I can't wait don't you I can't wait we got some fun hey Jamaicans y'all want

some of this yeah y'all remember what we did at y'all last time I told y'all what we're going to do gonna do it again too I don't know about the man Kashane Kashane Thompson they played

did you see that race today If there was another 10 meters, Noah were coming to get him. But see, that's the thing. In order for Noah to have a chance, he's got to get closer to him. He's got to be closer to him because Noah is a 200 meter specialist. And see, that was, that was Usain. Usain started out as a 200 meter specialist, and he was giving up too much ground. He'd run out, he'd run out of meters before the race was over.

So now, once he got his start down, Noah has the endurance, the script. Come and get you later on in the race, yeah. He's got to get out with him. He's got to get out with him. He's got to, he's got to be closer. Now, you got to realize Noah hadn't run a whole lot of 100 meters. He hadn't run a whole lot of 100 meters. He hadn't run a whole lot of anything this year, actually, to be honest.

But the question is how, how fit? Now, he looked good at the trials. You know what? Do we look that kid in Benarick? Kenny came in 30 today, huh? Yeah, yeah. But he's got to be, he's got to be closer. Because like I said, Ocho, 9-7 ain't catching 97.

97 can catch 9-8-5 or 99. You ain't catching 97. 9-7-9-7. If he get out like that like he got out, man, but I can't wait for track and feel, man. Man, I get hype. Guys, it's AZ Fud. You may know me as a gold medalist. You may know me as an NCAA national champion and recent most outstanding player. You may even know me as a People's Princess,

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We need veteran players and we need young players. Like you're building a team from scratch, and so the succession plan of long-term success needs to be defined. We need to embrace this community. When I was 13, my uncle took me to a qualifier, and we watched Ottawa against Chile, pouring rain, just watching the fans jumping up and down.

I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me. Not only was that going to be my game, but it was going to be my life. Listen to San Diego FC behind the flow. Now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Terry McLaurin came off the Pup list amid contract tensions with the commanders. Despite the contract standoff, hold-ins trade requests, Terry McClure will soon be practicing with the commanders.

The team announced today that he has been activated from the Pup list. Ocho, could Terry removal from the Pup list mean contract extension is on the way? Probably something is looming. they're almost there. It's probably not where it needs to be, but the fact that they think they're going to practice is a good thing. He'll be able to get two weeks under his belt,

if I'm not mistaken. He'll be able to get two weeks under his belt before he's able to play in a live game, which would be September, I'm assuming what, September, what, 7th maybe or 13th? What that, Mojo? What that? No, in a live game, a real game.

He didn't miss the priest. season oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely not gonna play uh uh week three the last preseason game no so um i'm hoping i'm hoping i pray once he gets paid no setbacks no injuries it's going to be so different um it's going to be so different the fact that he wouldn't be go through training camp and oh jo you took the word right out of my mouth i'll i'm saying to myself but i'm thinking to myself and i say i know ojo thinking this man i could not imagine not playing a meaningful game in eight, nine months. In my first real game, it's going to be back.

I couldn't imagine it, Ocho. I wouldn't want that. No, hell, no. Honestly, I would tell my agent, listen, if we get this deal done, I'm going to go practice. If there's a chance that we get this deal done, I'm going to go practice because I need people pushing. I need people pulling.

I need to be fighting through contact. We're right, man. Forget that, man. Because I'm telling you, the body would tear up. The body would tear up trying to go from zero to 100 without putting it through that rig of my road. That's what I'm going to call it. I don't even know what it's worth. You got to, you got to condition your body for the stresses that is going to endure during the season.

In order to run fast, you got to practice fast. You hear what she said. Hey, I wanted to be on the ground. It's hard. Would you miss that kind of time, Ocho? You're not going to miss that kind of time and just pick right up. It's just not. You sit and I agree with you.

You kind of like, you just hold your breath like, man, please, no soft tissue injuries. No soft tissue injuries, please. No groin, no quas, no hamstring, no calves, no adductors, none of that. Because, like you said, Ocho, you're going just like that. You've been cruising, you've been cruising. And then all of a sudden... You step on the gas, out the blue. And what normally happens, something got to give.

Yep. Man. But hopefully they can come to an agreement real soon. The Philadelphia Eagles and the Kansas City Chiefs could make NFL in Subo history this upcoming season. There have only been one instance in which two franchises played each other three times in the Super Bowl, and that's the Dallas Cowboys, Pittsburgh Steelers, 75, 79, 95.

After the Eagles face one another, two or the three big games, the Chiefs are currently to have the highest odds to be a matchup for Super Bowl. What is that, 60? 60 in February of 2026. This would make the franchises the second of their kind to play one another on three separate occasions on the biggest stage to add no other quarterbacks in the history. No quarterbacks have

ever faced each other three times in the Super Bowl, something Jalen Hertz and Patrick Mahomes have a chance to do. I mean, it sounds good, but you want me to tell you coming out of the AFC this year? You got to worry about winning your division.

You ain't coming out of nowhere. Have you noticed the Bengals been playing in the preseason, right? Yep. I just want to make it. All I know, all I know is when El Jack is on the field, Cincinnati can win. I just want to remember. I bet.

When El Jack is on the field, Cincinnati can't win. This is the new year. You think about the past. I'm trying to understand why you think about the past. And this is 20, we in 2025, you're telling me what the Baltimore Raven did in the past. I know what's going to happen this year. History. The Cincinnati Bengals for the first time in years have let the starters play in the preseason.

That's to let you know that there's going to be a difference come week one when the regular season starts. So what the Ravens did last year or any years before that don't mean nothing and don't matter when it comes to football season in 2025. Yeah. y'all defense still suspect team record after winning the MVP in 2016 here's we go cam won the MVP in 2015 2016 they were 6 and 10 Matt Ryan wanted in 2016 they were 10 and 6 in 2017 Tom Brady wanted in 2017 they were 11 and 5 Patrick Mahomes wanted in 2018 they were 12 and 4 Lamar jackson 2019 they were 11 and 5 Rogers went in back-to-back years in 2020 they were 13 and 4

and in 2021 they were 8 and 9 Mahomes won again in 22 11 and 6 Lamar Jackson 23 there was 12 and 5 Josh Allen 24 will remain to be seen what their record would be what you think the record is going to be

the bills yes listen they're going to be way they're going to be way above 500 I can tell you that Well, that's the way to go out on the limb Listen, if I could tell you what the bill's record was going to be I go play the lotto because I'm going to know the numbers You don't have to be exactly what I'm saying

They're going to be 11 and 6 They're going to be 12 and 5 13 and 4 14 and 3 15 and 12 and 25 I like 12 and 5 I definitely Listen, they knowing them and knowing Josh Especially with the chip he got on the shoulder coming off of MVP season.

Yeah, they might. I don't know why he got a chip. Lamar shouldn't have a chip. That's a whole other conversation. I'm not even going to bring it up. Lamar said they got by MVP and we'll add and we should have left out of that with a victory. Absolutely. Absolutely.

They're going to be good. I think, man, the goddamn bill is going to be in contingent every single year. Long as you got, long as you got 17 at the ham, boy. as long as you got 17 at the ham. There's going to be a team. I don't know what team is going to be. That's going to surprise us. Because the same people, the same teams are going to be in the hunt this year.

Same team going to be in contention. Same one. The same, the same quarterback. Because they got the same good quarterback. But then there's going to be one team that surprised us. Every year there's a team that comes out of nowhere that played extremely well. And I'm going to go out. I'm going to go out on the limb.

People probably don't laugh at me. I told you how I felt about the Panthers, right? Yeah. The pants and the Bears. I think the Panthers and the Bear are going to surprise people. All right. That's it. Okay.

That's it. People in the chat, you might laugh at me. But when it happens, remember who said it first. The Panthers and the Bears are going to surprise people. Oh, Joe, check this out. A 2020 study conducted found that dogs are capable of what scientists call third party social evaluation, meaning they can observe how a stranger interacts with their owner and use that information to make character judgment.

Dog assesses social interaction and make moral judgment based on observation. They're not just loyal. They're socially intelligent with the ability to detect fairness, cooperation, and intent. When someone mistreats their human, dogs remember and may respond with distrust or avoidance. I like that. And the reason they call it man's best friend That's right That's why my boy loves

And when people mistrust Mistreat me Yep I feel you I feel you Yeah I just I would Don't be doing it like that

I would love to get a dog man But I just You're going too much Listen if I get a dog He's going to fly with me He'll be my emotional support animal I just I just I don't I can't I cannot I cannot you tell me stories on nightcap and I start crying

if you say the right thing when we first started to show you talk about a dog I'm sitting here crying you tell him about a dog that's no longer here that ain't had no relationship with me and I couldn't take it you think I'm going to get a dog I got all my dogs at this age and he passed away i'm supposed to oh hell no man i can't i i can't imagine being without i can't i can't imagine being without one ocho all right we'll get you out here on this one ocho now it's time for our final segment of the evening chat is time for q and a i don't see how y'all do it boy stew baby love tv said ocho go to time out You know what Dillon Gabriel meant.

But y'all, y'all, y'all just wanted to mean that. Uh-uh. Brigitte, Brejit Maxey said, same coach Lannning, who plays golf with Stefanski. Ocho, don't play, don't, don't downplay nastiness. Plus, he threw checkdowns all, down, all. He didn't, he didn't ball. East Coast captain, Ocho, Ray Charles can see he was throwing shade at your door. And Skip would say,

Put your glasses on. Hey. Mishak of Baltimore say, maybe the coach said that to him, and he repeated it. 983 made. He's been in college six years. He's had media training.

We don't care if Bowdo Nix was the quarterback. They shared the same coach, that same language rubbed off on him. Rubbed on him. He meant it. If Shador called the press media entertainers to their face, World War III would have happened. Dylan, they say, next question, trade 12.

1012 down there in New Orleans. We'll take him. I love CC26 says he was taking shots at 12, Mr. Pick 6. Hey, oh. Kurt West said, Dink and dunk Dylan look less like effective, look like a less effective Jeff Garcia in that number five Browns jersey. Y'all, you know, said, are the Steelers? They some people so mean?

Boy, they ain't playing the night, boy. They don't play by the Shador. Ural Yanea said, are the Steelers the playoff team? Yeah, yeah. And I'm not saying that because of the goddamn quarterback. I'm saying that simply because of the defense. If they play like I know they can play with the names they got on paper, man.

Absolutely. Oh Joe, this question is specifically for you is that I love y'all, haven't missed an episode, any advice for me reingrating, reintegrating, excuse me, reintegrating to my wife, to my home after six months tour, to my wife now and four-year-old, I got less than 60 days left, not going to lie, I'm excited. So how does he, you know, he's been away for six months, Ocho. and he wants to get reintegrated into his home with his wife and his four-month-old. He wants to know what's the best way to do it.

What? That's a good one, boy. That's a good one. You better, you better equip the answer to that than me. He asked you. Oh, he asked me. Yeah. Hey, what, uh, be creative, what?

Be creative, be something, do something, do something. Oh, the man had been away for six months. He tried to get reintegrated in his home. He's been away from six months on tour. Yeah, that's why I said, do something. She's not used to you doing. I don't know what that would be, you know. You know what your wife like.

Do something you've never done before. Something different. If you've been on tour that long, that means you come home with a little bag. You know, bring her something nice. Don't do them flowers. Don't do them flowers and none of that bullshit. Do something different.

You know, it's hard for me to tell you what to do because you're married to her so you know what she's like. Yeah, don't take my goddamn cheap-ass advice. Shit. So if you go, let's see, the Cambodian queen, you're going to wait for six months. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You go to wait for six months. Yeah, she watched it too.

Hey, hey, honey. How you, so how you, how you come back, how you, how you come back and reintegrate, you know, y'all got a kid. Let's just say, y'all don't, but if you had a kid four years old. Yeah, we have, we having twins, but go ahead. I let you, yeah, we have twins. Go ahead. How that, so how, how, how would you go about that? going too right there i like that i like that and especially when it comes to stuff like that i'm very

creative i'm very creative like the first thing i think about right right now too they have uh i've been going for six months you've been home with the kids i got to take you somewhere nice i got to take you somewhere nice that's what we're going someone nice you know i want to go um I want to go in Saudi Arabia, right? They have a resort. Bro, you just got from overseas. You tried to turn around and go back overseas? Yeah, well, I need to get out the states, huh?

I need to get out the states. And I'm thinking of somewhere nice she hadn't been. Now, they just got these new resorts in Saudi Arabia. Stay with me real quick, huh? I can't remember the name of them. They look like, you know, Star Wars, right? Yeah. It's like these, they almost look like Star Wars spaceship.

In the middle of the ocean, I'm assuming they build it, build it themselves. I just, I would just Googling it too, huh? Ocho, you just come off seem like what is the deployment. Are you meaning to tell me, you're going to turn around and go back overseas? Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to say, well, nice, huh? And when you see it, when I find a link. Ocho, you're going overseas on a, on a, on a, on a military salary.

Me? Yes. I'm going to limit my money, man. Why are you going to limit them? Because he's in the military. His money is limited. Oh, shit. Damn.

Okay, now, now it's, come on, now. But now you're giving me hypotheticals, and then you hypothetically limited my goddamn funds. Because hypothetically, his funds are limited. Well, there's only so much you can do. Okay. Let him ball out on the budget. First of all, maybe, maybe have someone, you know,

I understand you probably want to see the kid, spend some time with the kid, but maybe have your mom, have a grandma or a family member, take the kid and y'all go get a little stay-tcation. What? A, Shabara Resort.

Shabara, a, chat, hey, look at that, chat. Shabara. S-H-E-B-A-R-A resort. That's where I would go. But I got some borrow, I got some bar of pizza money. That's what I got.

Sabar. You remember in the mall? How they have S-B-A-R-O, that piece of place in the mall? That's the kind of money I got. So that place, I ain't going. I guarantee you like it when you check it out. Oh, I believe it. I guarantee you I won't like it when I check it out.

Because you know why? Because when I check out and I see that bill, I ain't going to like. It ain't a lot. And you didn't been, you listen, you don't been, you don't flew private. Ask the show it to you. Add joy in the show it to you. Yeah, that's like that. Hey, Chad, tell me what y'all think, Chat.

Shabar Resort. Oh, Jordan said he might have some money because he get a housing allowance. What does he get? A grocery allowance and a per diem. So you might have a little money stashed. Yeah, it's not that much. It's starting at $2,400. What is S-A-R, $9,000?

What is S-A-R? What's $9,000? I mean, it says S-A-R in front of it, but then it said, I said 9,000. It's all together. I don't know, man. That's your resort. Don't worry about it.

That's what I'm going. I'm thinking about it. I'm ready to go now. Bro, I think the thing is that the first thing you do, you come home. You hug your wife. You tell her how much you love her. You tell her how much you miss her

and how much you happy to be home. Be back on, on American soil. Shit. Get her pregnant again. Oh, Lord, have mercy. Your child, you got a four-year-old.

He or she's going to be excited to see dad, which they haven't seen in a very, in six months, to them six months and six years. So I don't really know how much, you know, you haven't been, you haven't been around her in a long time. She haven't been around you in a long time. she's gotten into a routine

you've kind of gotten into a routine and so you've got to kind of reintegrate yourself without stepping on each other without getting in each other's way because you've been without each other for six months man listen man get back in there man have another child man

hello and have mercy man that ain't the answer to everything I'm sorry hey Ogden Ocho please wish my wife Carrie happy anniversary 11 years of married and 16 years together P.S. Ocho take your your time you'll be blessed uh carry carry uh every uh underscore 1990 wants to wish you a happy wedding anniversary y'all been married for 11 years a little over decade but you guys have

been together for 16 years that's a feat in and another so congratulations hopefully you get another 16 years together and uh these 16 will be even better than the previous 16 uh has dogs, Ocho have the baby French fry. Anyone who has the problem needs to go play on the road during rush hour. Yes, I love my dogs. And Ocho love French. And because

she hadn't been around. She hadn't probably seen Ocho. She's like, hey, I want to, hey, it's my time to shine. Hey, you know the game tomorrow, right? I'm playing on CBS, man. Oh, the big three. Make sure you tune in, so we're not on the show tomorrow, huh?

Yeah, we got, we got the show tomorrow at 7, right? Yeah. 7, 8. Oh, yeah. We're on it tomorrow at 8. Oh, yeah. Y'all see when I. That boy, K.S. just responded, man, you answer.

Oh, you're going to have my wife. me you're right you right uh yeah bro just take your time it's been a minute since you guys have been together hey spend some quality time you let her know how much you miss it uh the kid uh i don't know if it's a boy or girl spend some time and hey ask me what she want to do maybe maybe she's gonna have maybe she's gonna have her side of the family come pick the baby up maybe you have your side of family come pick together up and y'all just spend some time together, just kicking it. Ocho, my question it,

uh, is what would it be like if Michael Jackson and Prince did a song together back in the 90s? Woo! They couldn't. Why not? Who was going to sing first? I'm just being real.

Who say it first? They would have worked it out. Think about it, if I'm not mistaken, there's a clip where Prince, Michael Jackson asked Prince to be in, uh, was it beat it? He said, no. He said, first of all, he says, your ass is mine. You're not fin to say that to me. And I'm not going to say that to you. So the song, the song ain't going nowhere.

I got you. I got you. So again, who's singing first? It was one thing to get them the compilation together to sing we are the world. I don't know if you remember that. We are the world. Okay, that's one thing. But you're talking about Michael Jackson and Prince.

Who's singing first on the song, Ocho? I got you. Michael's a legend. Prince is a legend. You would think two people. or that magnitude would be able to work as one. Oh, you think.

And you think they got that way doing that, huh? Is that what you're thinking? Okay, I did think so. Do you do? Only, only Jesus and Santa Claus is bigger than Michael Jackson.

Yeah. And he did it with no social media. No internet. Oh, he didn't need it. Can you imagine? MJ, the original MJ. There's been a lot of MJ since, but he's the OG. Guys, thank you so much for joining us tonight.

Man, we really, really appreciate it. You could have been anywhere. You could have been doing anything, but you chose to spend a couple of hours with Ocho and I on Nightcap. We can't thank you enough. I don't know if we ever say it or we can properly adequately express our appreciation for what you've been able to do. you for us. So from sincerely from the bottom of my heart and Ocho and everybody at

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