Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 3: Nightcap LIVE from 2025 NFL Draft in Green Bay!

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

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Walter Walter Nolan. What do we think about this guy? Good pick? De-tackle. Like you said though, once you start getting, once you get past those first seven, eight kicks, now if anybody's there that you wasn't expecting to be there. Yeah. Right.

That's what makes it hard. I mean, there's not, well, I'm taking the best available player, but all of a sudden you're expecting somebody to go seven, or you expect somebody to go 10, and here they are sitting there 13, 14. Even though I might not need that. Yep, yep. The best team in the draft is on the clock. Ha, ha, ha.

You look at Philly. Philly had Fletcher Cox. They had Brandon Graham. But they still selected D. Lyman. They get Jalen Carter, they get Jordan Davis, they get this one and that, they get an edge rusher. It's like, what are you doing? And look, what won them the Super Bowl?

It was the defensive line, getting after Patrick Mahomes, because you got no answer for it when you got five, six guys that you can go deep on. The funny thing about that game is the Eagles front four four we already get the Patrick Mahomes at will they didn't blitz the whole damn game yeah not once not once but y'all you know this to get a team out of cover two you got to run them out of it you can't throw a team out of cover two no you got to run them out of it and so what happened is and and and and Philly played the long game they're gonna get impatient they're

gonna stick with the run I know they ran it the first three players they got a first down but they're not gonna stick with it now once you fall behind yeah and you don't want to stick with the run you play it to their home yeah big fan just say just go hunt don't even worry about the run well he knew their defensive line was such a bad matchup for the Chiefs O line that even if they tried to stick with the run they wouldn't be consistent enough to move it down the field right oh you got to be consistent enough to move it down the field. Nope. You've got to be in a situation when you play the Eagles,

you need to be second, you need to be third and short. You know, you need to get five yards. I don't want to see third and long as a tackle. No. It's not that. No. You need to, you know, you've got to stay positive. That's right.

You can't have a false start feeling. You can't play behind the sticks when you play against the Eagles. Hold on. They just got the defensive end from the Eagles. Number 94, he should have been the MVP. He's not there at the Eagles. Remember he went with Shane Steichen.

Uh-huh, uh-huh. So okay. They're stacking. Palin on the D-huh. So, okay. They're stacking. Yeah. Palin on the D-line. Looks like Walter may need a bigger hat though. I don't think he was expecting to be an Arizona Cardinal.

Yeah. He might need a eight. I think that's a seven and a quarter, Joe. That might be a six and a quarter. Hey, look. Dre, let's do that. Hey, well just go ahead and unlock it. Oh, I think the Bengals are taking Sanders

James Pierce Well, where is he from As Russia from who where Tennessee, okay They definitely need a man's they definitely need defense Okay. They definitely need defense. They definitely need defense. What's the question there, Lojo? I didn't know that one.

Oh, here we go. What is it? Wow. Ooh, what is it? Hmm. Edge. Edge, AM. We're going defense, it doesn't matter. Huh?

They have a little Trey Henderson. Yes. Green Bay? Because they're not going to sign him to the contract he deserves. So why are you holding him hostage? They want a first round pick. Nobody's giving you a first round pick for a 31 year old guy. And a guy that they're going to have to pay, right?

They got to pay him and they got to give him a first round pick and he's probably not going to last that long. Watson. Yeah, but I mean that's the Bengals though. They're just stubborn. They're just stubborn. They're just stubborn. They're just stubborn.

They're just stubborn. They're just stubborn. They're just stubborn. They're just stubborn. They're just stubborn. They're're gonna have to pay, right? They gotta pay him, and they gotta give him first place, and he's probably not gonna last that long. Watson. Yeah, but I mean, that's the Bengals, though. They're just stubborn.

Look at this, how's this guy? Well, the thing is, they wait till the umpteenth hour. That's right. Just think about it. If you give Jamar Chase, you had to pay enough, paying 31 million dollars. Right, you gotta pay him more if you wait. And if you already know he's the guy, why not pay?

And he won the Triple Crown. So how much you think you was gonna pay him? Chase. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Same thing with T. Yep, yep. And now you got T, you got Hendrickson. Hendrickson's like, bro, the market is 30 plus middle 30s.

Yeah. 17 and a half sack back to back years. First team all pro. I was in debt He's got nobody around him either imagine if he was on a defensive line like the Eagles or like Param with the miles Garrett like yeah other guys that are gonna pull some blocks from Washington now you hear you hear that Washington might be a play with TJ watt, but if I can't get TJ watt I'll give a I'll give a third or fourth round pick for entrances.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to go ahead and load up before Jayden Daniels comes up. That's right. That's right. You see where the contracts are now. 60 million. Jayden Daniels gonna be at 65, 70.

Oh yeah, yeah for sure. The way the salary cap's rising easily. Yeah, yes. So you gotta win and stack your team right now before you have to pay him Or do like Philly you see what Philly do Philly signed their guys at the top of the market And then in two years then look at that country like by he really underpaid. Hey, they're kissing him early They're kissing him early. It's already time. They look they got Lane Johnson tied up. They got a Jurgensen tied up They got Dickerson line tied up. They got Jurgensen tied up. They got Dickerson line tied up.

They got Maulata tied up. They got Jalen Hurts tied up. They got Devontae and AJ Brown tied up. Cause you know that big guy coming, Jalen Carter. Oh yeah. Woo hoo hoo hoo hoo. Oh he's- Back up that Brinkstruck.

Yeah. Cause he finna go past the D lineman from Kansas City, Chris Jones. Chris Jones about 31 and a half. He about to go 33. He's 34. Absolutely. Well, Eagles have been smart about signing guys early. You know, I think it's really important.

You got them in the building. If you know what they're gonna be, mock them up before everybody else finds out. Their timing and ability to do that has been impeccable and has paid off. What What helped them is Jalen Carter didn't come back his last year in shape and he didn't play like he played the year before. Had he come back in shape he's the first pick in the draft not the 10th pick in the draft. And so Philly got a steal. They got a guy that had first pick talent great at the 10th pick. You pick his in. What do we we think I think they're going to edge? Listen we going to be just no matter what

Stewart It took Stewart a and L, okay. I like it. I like it. And the linebacker's upset. He want more money. Hey, what's 57-A? Jermaine Pratt? Yeah, Pratt. Pratt want more money.

I didn't think you wanted more money. I want more money. You picked the wrong year to want more money because you had a down year. I was going to say, tomorrow she want it, but ain't going to get it. You know, the Bengals, they love making an example out of people. Oh man.

I like, y'all didn't have no choice but to go defense. We don't. We don't. Because the problem with us is we can't beat nobody because if we score 60 points, the other team scores 65. Yes. We ain't got no choice. Guess what? You should go defense in the second round, too.

Matter of fact, every pick we got, the whole draft got to be defense. 5-2, 67, don't you? Oh, they got to show the highlight over the left tackle, didn't they? Oh, boy. Nice arm over. Let's see what he got.

Ooh. Ooh. Nice. Quick first step right there. OK. Nice. Hey, did you pinch him? Yeah.

I got you. Ouch. Here we go. Versatility playing on the other side. Nice. Let's see what he got. OK, ain't he hit the head up? Come on, man. Y'all ain't let the bad split you. Oh, you go. Okay, he hit a head up. Come on, man, y'all ain't letting the bad split you.

Oh, you go. Here we go. Oh, you got a split you. Come on, guard. Finnegan playing the tackle but after guard. That's right. You get that on college football where they line up in those fronts

and they don't know who they got. Oh, here we go. With the hat on. Ooh, the Steelers. Oh, wow. That was, that was like, watch out. Roger's getting old now. You got to be careful. It finally, finally, thank you. They're not picking Roger up

and Roger's not on the pitch anymore. No more lifts. Look at him, he's messed up his hair. He's messed up his hair. Man, he shook Roger so hard he's messed up his hair. I'm like, uh, coach, I really like this pick for y'all. Y'all need an edge. Because Harbert's gone too, Harbert's retired.

Yeah. Yeah. They're not letting Trey go down. I mean. Do you think they. They're not letting Trey go down. I mean. Do you think they work something out? With Trey? Yeah. Work a trade out, that's what they should have done.

It's getting a little late. They want those trades to happen before the draft. Yeah. That's why I think he might not be going anywhere. I'm not sure what they're going to do. But if hub is gone This is your answer to replace hubba. Yeah, you got here to replace hubba, but you need what's going on the other side He gonna be there And we got no choice. We don't have no choice at this point

But the thing is he don't want to play on that that what he make it 12 and a half 13 mil And he see the draft The going rate for a line, as Russia, 30 mil, 35. Yeah. Yep. That's where it's at? Yes. Yep.

Because you heard Michael. Michael said today, hey, the market is 35. Yeah. And the market, 30 mil. That's what it is. Sponsors at the time. I can't go into McDonald's and say, I'll. That's what it is. Bosa's at 30. I can't go into McDonald's and say, I'll give you $2 for that Big Mac.

Right, right. $6 now, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at Miles, what Miles Garrett. Look at Bosa. Yeah. Look at Chris Jones. Yep.

Bro, the market is what the market is, bro. I'm sorry. When Bitcoin was 100,000 a block coin, it's 100,000 a coin. It has come down, but this market ain't coming down. You may not like it, but who you gonna play out there if you don't got him? So at what point do we think teams start calling

about Chadoor, like an opportunity to move up out of the second round? Hitsburg. Hitsburg, do you think? I always, look, we really felt, you started hearing the rumblings that Giants weren't going to be in play.

Cleveland weren't going to be in play. You got Russ, you got Jameis, are you really taking a quarterback at third? I don't think so. Now, you got New Orleans, especially with Derek Carr's shoulder. How healthy is he going to be? Once you got past nine, you looked at everybody else, they got quarterbacks that they've paid or they've drafted in the last year. So you know he wasn't going there.

So now, Pittsburgh seems like the next. Yeah, but my question to you is, in Pittsburgh, it gets a little cold, played there a few times, a little wet. Shadour, not a big arm, doesn't throw a real tight spiral. Do you think that's a good fit for him? Baltimore, it gets cold. Cincinnati, it gets cold.

Cleveland, it gets cold. That'd be a tough division to have a quarterback. Hold on, he just played in Colorado, it gets cold. Yeah, it's an adding gets cold. Yes, he's leaving it gets cold I'd be a tough division to have a hold on just played in Colorado. It gets cold I think he's I think he's gonna be alright because despite what he doesn't have as far as arm strength He's very accurate and precise what is throwing. Yep. You gotta be That's who he got some good receivers you got a Steelers fan here in the front row I think See how's what do you like to pick? Seahawks, trackhawk, Lakers and five. Georgia Tech, okay, okay. Gray Zabel.

Guard. North Dakota State. Offensive Lyman, always a good decision. A lot of guards have been going here already in the draft. That's like usually one of those positions you don't really value a whole lot to pick in the top 20. Yeah. to pick in the top 20 but yeah. Well they look, they want to run the ball with Carbino and K9. Yeah.

I like this big. For the most part. I'm surprised though considering, okay you bring in the third pick, Sam Darnall. You got JSC in. Yeah. But you cut lock it and you trade DK So I would have I'm confused with that. Yeah, right. We're sending mixed messages here. We really are tell me you have Think about it. You have I think for me I think G knows better than Sam Darnall because and plus you got him in the system now

I credit you brought the offensive coordinator who called plays last year in Minnesota Yeah, I get it same guys gonna be in his ear, but he ain't got the same talent pool Ball game out there they got they got to get they got to get some Boom, I feel like I'm watching running back highlights and they drafted a guard They got to get somebody out there I've ever see your position on the perimeter. They got to you think out there at the receiver position on the perimeter. They got to. You think day two, day two they go?

Yeah, probably day two. They got some good dudes out there that have been coming there. It won't be no DK Maycafs. Right. Won't be that. But you'll have some quality guys that can go out there and play some balls. What you thinking about Tampa? Tampa got a nice defense. They got receiver, they got Chris Godwin, they got Chris Godwin coming off the injury,

Mike Evans, Mr. Consistent, Kade Arnett, tight end. I love those two running backs they got. Love those running backs. Tristan Worth out of this world offensive line. Yep. Yep. You're going defense, you're going offensive lineman. You know they're in a good position because they don't have any real super obvious needs

where we gotta get something here. Anything they get is the cherry on top. I think a pass catcher honestly because some of those guys they got are great but they're getting a little older and at the end of the first round you gotta start thinking about that. Injuries start to come with him. A little bit more regular than Chris Godwin. Like what three out of four in the last four years he's missed a significant amount of time.

Yeah. So yeah. So Joe thinking okay we'll get a pass catcher. I think they can go either offense or defense whatever they do pick for them because they really have no necessary needs. Yeah. I think it's go either offense or defense, whatever they do pick for them because they really have no necessary needs. Yeah. I think it's a cherry on top. It's a cherry on top, they add to what you already got.

They take a defense, Johnson, corner. 4-3 Tarbo, like the playing conservative. That may be corner. I like this is a great spot. I like that hat. Yeah. Well you don't really need you don't really need anything to put you over the top. I don't think it is anything coming right here at 18 is gonna put you over the top but I can have some quality depth. Yeah. Yeah you might start thinking about taking some calls to trade back a little bit possibly. Right, okay.

Well, so usually that happens quicker though. But here's the thing. Is there anybody that you feel won't be there when you're picking right now? Right, that's right, yeah. Normally you trade. You wanna slide back but still get the guy that you want. Right.

Yeah, if I could slide back to say maybe I don't think Pittsburgh, the question is, what Denver might move. I don't think Pittsburgh's moving. I don't think so. Yeah. They get a lot of heat if they passed up on Chidora, I think, and I think that the noise is getting louder

because they've had success but they're just not breaking through in the playoffs because they don't have that guy at quarterback right now. In that division, the only way to compete, the only way to win, especially the AFC North, is with quarterback. Yeah. Because you got Joe Burr and Lamar. Lamar, yeah. You can't go into the game and say, yeah guys. We go all these guys to 17

Yeah, you're not any head. Hey guys, we got to score 35 today The pick is in here we go Huh, no, no, no, no, we could somebody we thank you something they might trade back what the buck state okay I'm Ash what do you call that's a good one I make a hook, Ohio State. They took who? Ameca Obuka. Okay, okay. Ohio State. They reported they're taking a receiver from...

You gotta eat more McDonald's. That's it. Joe, you still in between? Wisconsin. I'm in Madison. Came back home. Came back home. Yeah, yeah. The whole family's here, so. You get to mini games in Cleveland? Yeah, I still work for the team, so I get out to a few games. You still got a place out there. Okay Make sense. Yeah Not high dollar real estate But you're not from Madison are you from I'm from Milwaukee, okay, okay All your all your family from Saskatchewan.

Are we foreshadowing here maybe? Well we know he's not going to Denver. No, not going to Denver but Denver's probably fielding calls right now, right? Because everybody's thinking Pittsburgh is where he's going to go Boom. Gotta jump Pittsburgh if you want him. Well the thing is, if somebody already got the first round pick, traded back, traded my second pick and I trade you my first next pick. So let's see what Denver does. That's what the Browns did my year. They took me three, then traded me. Yeah, well, how about Sayre Seaver? I told you. I told you that.

A young Mel Kuyper right here. That's a good one. Well, I think it's, look. Mike Kemp is just getting a little older. Chris Godwin, injury prone. Chris Godwin injury prone. Mecca Mecca. That's a big. You know, hey, Ohio State the receivers.

Every every time every year they don't miss. It's for you. Oh, here we go. He's fired up. Where is he right now? That looks like one hell of a place. Washington. Looks like he's in a Ruth's Chris steakhouse.

I mean think about it. You got Tampa weather, you're in North and New Orleans, you're in North and Atlanta, you get Carolina, you might go to Carolina early. I ain't got nothing, I got 10 games, 11 games, beautiful.

Yeah, he's pretty happy right now. He's nice. Good route. You got the dagger. Here we go. Hands. Oh good move boy. I don't know what they do it what they do out Columbus, but they got some receivers coming out every year. They got Jeremiah Smith. They got Smith coming out.

Oh man, it's not fair, right? What they're doing. You know, they got their five deep receiver. Yeah. And all of them are first round picks. What are you talking about? And Jameson Williams was there. He couldn't get on the field, so he goes down the field, but he's the top 10 pick.

That's amazing. He's nice. He's nice. So Dan, first of all, Chris Olavi. That's amazing. He's nice. He's nice. So Dan Wilson, Chris Olavi. If I'm the Broncos, I trade. I try to trade back. What? You trade back?

Yeah, I trade out of the first round and pick up the extra pick. You think so? You think so? Uh oh, let's see. Ash, what are Broncos looking like? Broncos on the clock. We got four minutes. What? Todd.

Todd, don't pick the few LBFs, man. On a stress, getting ready for the draft. A lot of late night hamburger runs. That's a good, I like it, I like it. I mean, Joe, you called this one, Joe. You said that, you said. You gotta start thinking about that next generation of pass catcher You do yeah, you do you do

That's dope they If I'm the Broncos, what do I need? Yeah, I might take a receiver. Yeah, I like gold. I like I like a receiver here. I like a receiver Yeah, I like gold. I like I like a receiver here. I like a receiver Hold on what about Hampton running back Well, you got you got to running backs already. Mm-hmm. What's your job? I'll tell you Jovan take we have been Dallas now It's right there leave whatever would be told that ball boy. He run hard. I

Like this I He run hard. I like this. I wouldn't be surprised if they go running back. Sean Payton thinks back to his Saints days, Deuce McAllister, I mean, be able to pump the rock and to be able to pair. Mark Ingram, Reggie Bush. That's right. He like a two back. You've got to have that running back in that system.

And when you got a young quarterback that you want to help to that next level, you get that running game going. Then you start opening up stuff down the field. Yeah, I would not be surprised if Omar Hampton isn't the pick here. But a receiver to go opposite of a Corlin Sutton? Okay. I like that too. I think Hampton's the pick right here if I had to guess. I think running back.

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I think Hampton. Yeah, I'm in complete agreeance. Hampton. Absolutely not. Are you serious? Eagles, Bengals, Steelers, Golfers, Vikings? Would I be? I mean the list goes on. I fucking love you sir. We haven't had a big play receiver in a very long time.

But I think it's Hampton. I think Hampton's going to be the pick. Remember we talked about saying? Yeah. Yeah. We could definitely. definitely use it. Is it in? Hampton or Golder? Hey Denver is a beautiful city. Who were they taking right now? Running back? I think Hampton. Who do you want them to take? Hampton? Yeah, I think everybody up here wants Hampton. Pick is in. All right.

Should do it. Well, you know, we know they're not taking to do it. Nope. Any of those other guys are in play though. Yep. Yeah, I still think Hampton's the pick right here. I agree. You gotta boost that run game. You gotta have that workhorse back.

Do you think they pick another DB to go on the other side of Pat? Being that they like, they like. He kept getting beat all year. I know, but they say he came back off an injury. So they like, okay, he was playing really well before he got nicked Who did take Simmons I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I. No. Oh, you know, you unplug it.

She said to come over here. There would be a little bit of cheering in here if that happened. And there's going to be a lot of booing if they don't do that. Yeah, I got, I'm good. Yep, I got you. Yeah. It's gonna be, I'll... No, we good. We're good, yeah.

I got you Ash. I got you. I was unplugged. All right. Cornerback. Corner. We've been wrong before. Well we thought. I'm a little surprised by it but you can never have enough good corners What dealing with Patrick Mahal Justin Herbert? Yeah, you got some problems in that division for all the football God a Baron a Baron Texas Oh, well, Golden was right there. Yeah. They took a Texas player, but it just wasn't the player that we thought they were. Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is the pick I'm really intrigued by.

I can't wait to see what Pittsburgh's going to do here. If they don't take you to do it, he's not going to the first. No, I know he's going to slide out. I totally agree. They take it on quarterback. Kansas City, they take it on quarterback. Buffalo agree. He taking the quarterback. Kansas City taking the quarterback. Buffalo ain't taking the quarterback. Baltimore isn't taking the quarterback.

And the other thing is, there's nobody that's going to jump into the first round and give Sight the enough to take him. There's nobody that's obviously going to take him that's already right there. Stay home, stay home, stay home. Pull up. Give me some space.

He's not afraid to come up and hit here. How many times? Oh, good play, boy. I like it. I like that pick. I like that pick a lot. Yeah. I like him opposite PS2. I like him opposite Ocho. That's going to be nice. That's going to be nice. I like that. So, I mean-

If you do it, man, love Ocho. What? If you don't go here. I mean, he's going here. It makes sense. It only makes sense. You heard that, right? What are the people in Pittsburgh thinking right now? Do Steelers fans want Chidur Sanders? Do they feel like he's the answer? Taking a DT.

Oh man. Who's the pick Ash? If we were at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at... He was a lineman. So, KM Hayward? He's still there. But you know they play a 3-4. So he, you know, he's an in. Opposite of KM. Okay.

Wow. So if you look at it now. It was Bev Rumblin that he might slide. It's happening. It was interesting because just a couple weeks ago, all the talk in Cleveland was about, do you take Shadour? And I think more than 50% thought that Shadour was going to go to Cleveland at number two. Now he might fall out of the first round.

He's not going to Houston. He's not going to the Rams. He's not going to the Raves. He's not going to the Bills. He's not going to the Eagles. He's not going to Houston, he's not going to the Rams, he's not going to the Raves, he's not going to the Bills, he's not going to the Eagles, he's not going to Kansas City. That's the problem when you're a quarterback. He's not going to Detroit. And you don't get picked in the top half. Those teams picking in the second half of the first round, they don't need quarterbacks. That's why they went to the playoffs. Let's talk about if you do something about the first round. Yeah. When it comes to the second round, what team still need a quarterback at that point? Cleveland.

The Giants. So there's still the possibility he can still go to the Giants or Cleveland? Yes. That's not a bad thing. No. That's not a bad thing. We don't see the glasses half full when it's half full. See, it's half full.

Please, please, please. What? You heard the boo? It took a detackle. Oh wow. Oh, Morgan. I'm trying to feel you ramble. We got a few Steelers fans are feeling a little upset right now. I wish

he had the mic. Here give him the mic. Oh wow. Wee! The man's never had a losing season and we're calling for him to get fired up here. Wow. Get out of here. Well there's at least a few Fusefeelers fans are excited. The fans like him, not this one. But we talked about Pittsburgh. Well hell if he go to the Cleveland they play the same Steve that the Steelers play everybody outside oh yeah he goes to the Giants yeah they outside yeah and it's cold no you're not going to the charges the bills oh he ain't going to the Packers oh you took my gold I thought you you took my Shadoor. Yeah, that's possible. That's a big boy, man.

They done sold him, they bought him, Joe. They done sold his Shadoor up. Yeah. They done said all those bad things, but you know. They did it on purpose. They did a number on it. Yeah, they did a job on it. He can get his get back, though. He can get his get back though

He can get his get back. Yeah Hell that was the fourth round and became the highest paid quarterback in NFL history Hey, and you get to that you get to the back quicker because you don't say you got time Yeah, that's your option if you're in the second round. Oh Yeah, that's your option if you're in the second round. Oh, man. Steelers love the big old linemen like that. They can't help themselves. They're not the firetank.

They can't help themselves. They got a big D lineman. You got a big D lineman, they just can't help themselves. They love them firetanks. I mean, he look just like he. He buys you a cab, hey. just like he, he reminds you of Cale Bay. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Man, that kind of, that obsessed me a little bit.

I think we all surprised other than the Steelers. Yeah, they don't look surprised at all. I'm trying to figure out what's your answer at the quarterback position to be able to compete in the AFC North? Mason Rudolph? Is Mason Rudolph your answer? You've already... I'm smiling right now.

...that's all I can say. You've already had him. What Mason Rudolph thought there every game? You had him. You let him go to Tennessee. For a reason. If he was that guy, you'd never allow him out of your building. Yep. Tennessee. For a reason. If he was that guy, you'd never allow him out of your building.

I don't know him leaving and coming back. You think he's got some great coaches somewhere? What changed? Nope. Nope. I'm confused. I'm making moves like that means you don't know what to do at that position. You don't.

You got no plan. But you know what that tells me? I got security at this job though. That's what that tells me. Check your phone. Chargers, what do we think? Where are their positions of need? What are they thinking? I think this is a golden spot right here. I think golden goes right here. I think Harbaugh wants somebody that... Remember number five? He ended up going to Buffalo. Remember for the Chargers? What was number five's name for the Chargers? Palmer.

Palmer. I think he's in Buffalo now. Okay. So, makes sense. Makes sense. I think Harbaugh wants a pass catcher for Herbert. Yeah. That's an obvious position for me that they wanna upgrade,

they wanna give him somebody that they can grow together and have 10 years together. Right. Joe, thanks for stopping by. Hey, give it up for Joe Thomas, guys. Joe Thomas. From Football Hall of Fame. Thanks, guys. See you, baby.

I got to say thank you. I got a little gift for you guys. Come on. You're getting me. Hungry up here. My man over here said I'll be right back. All right. Hey, guys, we got the number three overall draft pick joining us, Abdul Carter.

Just a sec. Getting my tech in the back. The number three. the number 3a what? Man, you crazy, man. Hey, you're too fat to stop me. Great. Man, this is great. What we got Joe? Appreciate that. Yo thank you baby. Hey, after the show is on, me and you. Yeah, yeah. And don't try to run. Don't try to run.

Wow. Don't run. Yeah. I don't think anybody saw this, but we saw this over the last week. People was talking about Shadour could possibly side out of the first round. If he didn't go early, if he didn't go two, if he didn't go three, if he didn't go 21, nobody after 21 needs a quarterback. Kansas City is set. Buffalo is set.

Baltimore is set. The Chargers are set. But I will say this, it's not how you go, it's where you go. He still has a chance to go to Cleveland in the second round, go to the Giants in the second round. Yeah. Congratulations. Congratulations. Run that. Alright. Man, what was it like in the green room, waiting that call?

Did you have an idea that it could possibly be the Giants? Yeah, I definitely had a good feeling. I usually trust my gut. My gut's here in New York. My parents wanted me to go to New York, so I'm a New York Giant. You had a journey. You wanted to go play college football. That was your dream.

Probably Penn State was your dream college situation. Now it's a different journey. Your journey to get here, now the journey starts all over again to be great here. What has prepared you for this moment? Yeah, I went to start with my dad, just him training me my whole life, teaching me everything I know. All the work I put in, all the sacrifices they made for me, and now it all starts again. I'm back to work, back grinding, I'm ready to get started.

I like that. I got you. I'm thinking about rookie year coming in, setting short-term goals. What would your short-term goals be? Coming in to be a New York Giant, what would you set so far? I haven't written anything down yet, but I'm definitely going to get some goals I want to accomplish. I'm usually like, I'm big on that, writing down my goals, chasing them, but I'm definitely gonna think about some things tonight. You go to the Giants. Giants have always had really good defenses. Kavon Thibodeau on one side, you got Big Lawrence in the middle, then you on the other side. Have you thought about what it's gonna be like, that front four, that front seven, trying to attack the quarterbacks in that division?

You got the Washington commanders, you got Jalen Hurst, the Super Bowl defending champ Giants. I would say Korn Barkley and those talented wide receivers out there, you got the Dallas Cowboys, Dak Prescott, C.D. Lamb. Jerry says he has some trades up his sleeve, we haven't seen it yet. Have you thought about what your defense is going to look like when you go out there, your first OTA is coming up? Yeah, for sure, but first I just want to meet those guys, get to know them as men, develop a relationship as a teammate, then once I do that we're gonna hit the field, it's create havoc.

You do realize now, you followed a guy, you were that number 11, you had to be a hell raiser. You put that jersey on in Penn State for a reason. Now the last guy that came out of Penn State the one that wore that jersey, he was a defensive rookie of the year. Have you said, you know, I'm sure you guys have healthy competition, like hey, you got it, I'm gonna get it too.

Yeah. So what's your expectation? That award, would you like to, obviously you'd like to win it, but have you thought that far in advance what it would mean for you to go out there and have that type of season? If I do everything I'm supposed to do, pick the work in first, all that's gonna come with it. It's gonna take care of itself. Yeah, rookie of the year, I'm gonna be all, I'm gonna do it all, but at the end of the day, if my man go, I'm gonna win, this that's gonna come with it. It's gonna take care of itself. Yeah, Rookie of the Year, I wanna be all pro,

I wanna do it all, but at the end of the day, my man, go, I wanna win, this is gonna help my team win. Has it sunk in yet? Yeah, definitely. Has it sunk in yet? Yeah, for sure not. Not yet? Yeah, this is crazy, like.

It's gonna hit you. Yeah, for sure. It's gonna hit you. Because, like, when you were a kid, you say your dad has trained you your whole life, and you trained a lifetime, you prepared a lifetime for this moment. So you're sitting back there.

You know you're going early. You just don't know where you're going. It could be Cleveland, it could be the Giants. You don't know, but you know I'm going early. I'm just not going to be alone. Hey, mom, hey, don't worry about it, guys. We're going to be out here in 20 minutes. I promise you.

30 tops. It might not be 20, but 30 tops when we done. They was more nervous than me, but I had a pretty good feeling where I was going to go, so I'm happy to be a New York giant and go big blue. That's a lie. That's dope. That's dope. So now, obviously, you're headed up there as soon as you leave us.

You're going to head up there, go around and meet the coaching staff, meet the ownership, meet general manager. Probably, I don't know how long you're gonna be up there. You gonna look for a place while you're up there or you gonna have that kind of time? Yeah, we gonna have to figure all that out but I really just wanna go back, celebrate with my parents, my mom, my dad, get them another hug

to celebrate this moment. When you get back home, where are you from? I'm from Philly. Oh, you're from Philly. Right now. I'm all New York though, I'm all New York. You're all New York. Yeah. I'm on New York though, I'm on New York. You're on New York.

When you get back home in Philly, all your family, friends and loved ones that have known of Duel Carter his entire life, what is that moment going to be like when you get with all your family, friends and loved ones and they get an opportunity to celebrate with you because it takes the ability to raise at Duel Carter? I can't wait. I'm real thankful for them, everybody who helped me get to this moment. And I can't wait to give back just knowing everybody that helped me get here, all the sacrifices people made.

But I mean, I was talking to Ocho, I said, Ocho, even pops iced out. He said, I ain't finna let you out, do we all do we? Give me some ice while you at it. The pops got a grill too? No, he don't got the grill, but he got the adidas shade on. Yeah okay. I know your mom was like she was really emotional back there. I saw her I think that was your sister also right? Yes ma'am. And she was like I'm looking at your mom and she was like relieved. I'm sure she did a lot of praying for this moment.

Yeah, seeing her happy, seeing her proud of me, that's that's my heart. Nothing give me more joy. None. None make me more happy seeing her happy for me. The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL draft. We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason. And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close,

we've got you covered before your favorite team goes on the clock. We'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made. Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I like it. I just thought about all the obstacles, all the adversity, especially as your parents go through, all the sacrifices they make to get to this point, to actually repay them back and actually making it, man. Just congratulations to you. Congratulations to you and the family and man

I wish you nothing but love and luck man out there. I appreciate your show You know, you got to get a big big old check that first check will be big What's the first thing you gonna do? I gotta take care of my people first. Give my mom and dad something nice I'm definitely gonna give me some nice treat myself. Yeah Oh, so when you get something nice you talk about a vehicle You will get another piece of ice. What what you looking at? Five vehicle what you what's your dream vehicle? Probably some more Loki already I already have my dream. My first car was my dream car. What was that?

I tested the model X but the X planned or just regular man Man, what you finna get man? Stop talking about the test look. We'll see what happens. I want someone with a little key to stay out of the way. Okay, okay. Oh, so you're trying to look, you're looking for a slide of her. Yeah.

Yeah. So, but what, I mean, what do your mom and dad want? Do they want a new crib? Do they want vehicles? What do they want? Have you asked them, have you thought about it? They again, whatever they want. It's on me. Yeah Whatever she want it's all you it's all me. Well, I won't are you know what I want? I'm not you not you My uncle Jersey or something something

Get your Jersey, I just wanted I just want to come jersey or something. Send me something. I can get y'all a jersey for you. I just want a coupon for McDonald's. You'll get 11? We'll see. I don't think I want 11, but there's a number I got. You got a number in mind? Yeah, I got a number in mind. Does anybody have it? Because you know you might have to get off the brand

if somebody got it. So who got 11? Somebody got 11. He said you don't want 11. No. He said 11 was a Penn State thing. He said I'm starting from scratch. You got to keep that thing going, boy.

I want something new. Double zero. Double zero. He said I'm starting from scratch. You gotta keep that thing going boy. I want something new. Double zero, double zero. It's a plus Michael, Michael 11. I ain't finna do that. I did that at Penn State. We kept that lineage going. Now it's time for that dual. You gotta go single digit though. No it's a double digit. It's a double digit? Yeah. It's retired though but we'll see I gotta have some conversation. As long as it ain't 56 you might can get it. But if it's, I don't know if you can get that one now. I love to hear that. You wanna follow LT?

We'll see what happens. Oh, yeah, I'll fill big shoes before I do it again. Okay, okay. I like that. Because when they talk about the best defensive players ever, you never go past LT. You hear a lot of people say, we talk about wide receivers, it might be Randy, it might be, you talk about the best defensive players ever you never go past LT You hear a lot of people say with this we talked about wire receiver It might be Randy might be you talk about a running backs It might be Barry Emmett or Jim Brown or Walter Payton you go to a lot of different

When it comes to defensive players one do That's the goal. Yeah, and he go by he don't even go by real name. You go by initials Bad I'm doing man. I am so proud of you man. I've been watching your tape. I was looking at you at the bowl game, and I was like, man, he just, I mean, he beating these guys with one move, and then it's like, well, nah, he had his shoulder.

His shoulder was messed up. Cause that, man, you're real. I mean, you're tremendous at first step. You can turn translate speed to power. You can bend the edges. You got a great snatch, arm, rip, the bull. How do you get better? What is Abdul Karni to work on to get better? I think there's a lot of ways I can get better.

It was my first year in a new position, so I'm just getting started. The sky's the limit for me. I can just keep getting better. I can play tight end too. Oh, you trying to pull a tryout. I know, I'm just getting started. The sky's the limit for me. I can just keep getting better. I can play tight end too. Oh, you trying to pull a trial? You trying to pull a trial? I know, I'm just saying.

He ain't the only one who can do it, but hey. So they put you on the goal line, you're going to go catch it, you're going to go... Hell yeah. Like that. Put it out there in the universe. That's right. The Giants. So obviously when you visited the Giants, you had a great conversation.

What made you so sure, what made you feel comfortable that the Giants was the place that you're probably gonna end up? Yeah, I just trusted my gut. My gut told me the Giants my parents wanted me to go there Cuz they close by that they could drive up they catch the seller anytime they want Yeah, so I just find a good connection with them. They got to know me. I got to know them It was perfect. I'm a New York giant You you're getting season tickets? Who your mom mom and dad. They're not gonna miss a game for sure, I know them. Plus when you fill it, they're gonna see, hey,

and Washington is not that far away, so they're gonna see you ten times a year. Right there, close. That's unbelievable. When you was growing up, did you ever think you'd be a New York Giant? Fun fact, when I was 12 or 13 years old, I had a dream I got drafted up by the Giants, but it's hard to believe, but I actually had a dream I got drafted here. So you didn't want to be in from Philly? Your dream wasn't to play for the Eagles?

Yeah, but they had pick 32. They would have to trade up. Yeah. Hey, I'm doing something. I ain't fitting a hole in your down, but I would try to be pick 32. I'm in New York. I'm going to New York.

That's it. The third pick in the draft. Hey, you got something on Michael. He's like, hey, bro. I ain't want to brag or glow to the both. But you know your boy. You almost got Lamar. Lamar went two.

Yeah, he went two for sure. He went three. Yeah. And his knees wore out on him. But Lamar, I was in the league when I was kind of at the tail end of my career with LeVar Yeah The one thing you wear that level because you can't put that level on if you ain't no reason I do his son got it now

So we got we gonna see what he do but yeah all those guys that look out for me They took me under their wing and I'm real thankful for those guys. Yeah. Yeah, that's unbelievable. That's unbelievable And I'm so proud of you. I know your family's proud of you. Abdul, man, thanks for coming, bro. We really appreciate it. Because we know, tell baby, thanks. Abdul Carter, guys. What?

Abdul, here, here's your family. No. Don't forget, eat your McDonald's. Yeah. Ha ha ha. Oh, man. Mcdonald's. Man, have to call the ladies and gentlemen, the third pick in the draft in New York football, Giants. Yeah, what do you got? Yeah. football Giants yeah what he got yeah oh what y'all taking

Jahai Campbell Campbell Campbell Jah. You're seeing Campbell. I like Warren better. Campbell. I like, I like Warren better. I'm not saying he's not good, but Warren. I think Warren can be special. They traded. Bear in mind.

Golden. Matt and Golden to the Packers. They traded back. Golden. They traded back. Golden. They traded. Matthew Golden to the Packers. No, they traded it. No? Packers, golden.

Okay. We can't tell you what they're going to do, but you're going to be surprised. You're going to be surprised. Nah, you'll be happy with the pick. Yeah. They're doing something with a division rival. No, for real. No, no, no. I'm saying you're going to be surprised.

You're going to be happy with the pick, but you're going to be surprised how they got the pick. Look at what they did. Look at what they did. What we got? What we got? What we got? What we got? Selection is in. It's, you're gonna be, you're gonna be happy, but it's surprising how they got there. That's a good one. That's a good pick.

That's a good pick. That's a really good pick. I like it. I like it. But that means somebody's gone. Who? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hamstrings.

Speed is too cold out here. Man, when you a fast fast guy you don't like cold weather. He need to run too, man. Yeah. I like this pig. Yeah. You like this pig? You Goulder? So you good now, huh? They trading with Green Bay. Nice. I mean, with Minnesota. He's nice. They're going to ask who the Minnesota Tech?

They took Jahad Campbell. You too. The hard temple to the Vikings. Wow. Ain't nothing better than you being a receiver and going to a team that has a quarterback. And that throws a ball. Even if it let it rip. Huh? I'd love to pick for all green bay I love to pick Hey, huh He'll form he yeah his friend his family He a farm. Yeah, his family got a farm.

Yeah, I guess his family does sausage. Hey. I'm gonna make you walk home. Make you walk home. Ash, I thought they was taking what the color? Uh oh. Oh They take it Donovan Jackson O line Ohio State where?

Where you go, huh? Ohio State. I know but what team bikes bikes, okay. Wow. Not even 100. Oh, me? Not even 10. Where you from? You from St. Louis? What you doing with a... Nah.

You say a we? You said you're from St. Louis. You should have on Rams gear. Wow. That's your team. So you are bandwagon. You are bandwagoner. Whoa, pause. Oh, let's go white. Give me that.

Nice. Nice. That was nice. Nice. What is hard is to play that speed up that close to the goal line if that guy collides you. Cause he's gonna fuck y'all balance. Every time and it's,

and most of the time what you do, what's gonna happen is you get a DV in NFL They hold it right right on your tongue. No way to tell you. Yeah Hmm I don't know. I don't know we will see it Wow, they're trading back It's the first round. Why would they trade back? For the back. You mean trading up? Trading back into the first, yes. Oh, okay, okay, okay.

That's what rumors, that's what- So now they go get the gold, get your boy. Yep. And that's a good market too. Big market. Donovan Jackson guard, Ohio State. Oh, that's a good market. That's a good market.

That's a good market. That's a good market. That's a good market. That's a good market. That's a good market. That's a good market. That's a good market. That's a good market.

That's a good market. That's a good market. That's a good market. That's a good market. That's a good market too. Big market. Donovan Jackson guard Ohio State. Vikings. Hey you want to make another bet? Yeah he read what he read 4-3. You want to make another bet? Shadoor to the Giants. Giants just traded back. Giants traded back to Houston. Can you make that'll be dope. Abdul Carter and you go back to your should do her. Yeah, you get everything you wanted you get the deep

You get the defensive player you wanted and the quarterback that you like at the spot that you wanted it On one year deals Should do her sit should do it gets a sit back for a year watch Russ watch Janice Take everything in. I like it. I like the pit. If this is the move, and I don't... I like this move. Right.

Because I get what I wanted. Right. I address what I need first. I address my need. I like that. Look. Big Gilly. Jackson Dart. Somebody else might move up and get him though. Or are they taking Jackson Dart? They taking the quarterback.

There's no way you don't trade, you trade back into the first round if you're not taking the quarterback. Right. No way. Jackson Dart. They took Dart. They took Dart. The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you

for the 2025 NFL draft. We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason. And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered before your favorite team goes on the clock. We'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made. Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.