Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Hour 4: Nightcap LIVE from 2025 NFL Draft in Green Bay!

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

Join Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson LIVE from Lambeau Field in Green Bay, Wisconsin to react to the 2025 NFL Draft. Tap in with Unc & Ocho to see where top prospects Cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, and Shedeur Sanders are selected!#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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if you're not selected a quarterback We knew that was like the quarterback. We just didn't know jackson darr should do it It is Wow You didn't see his mom packing him on his back Wow. You didn't see his mom pat him on his back? She wasn't patting him because he going into second round. Right. Oh my goodness.

When did Cleveland pick again? Second round, right? Second round. So that's- They've already- Well, we're gonna get to see that tomorrow. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Hey, she do it like man, if I'd have known this, I'd have stayed in school the

other year. Oh my goodness. But. I can't believe they played like that. I'm surprised. I'm not. Listen, I'm not surprised that they traded back in the first round. I'm surprised with the choice they made. Yeah. But Ocho, think about it.

The last week we started hearing this, that people had Jackson Dart number two they had Slaw number three they had slid look what they got gave up second round pick they gave up a third round pick and a 26 third round pick that it's confusing I'm not sure what film they were watching. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with Jackson Dark. But come on now. I mean. Come on now. When you. It's kind of like when you go to the grocery store and you got a list, you already know what you want. Yeah.

They know the guy that they want. I'm a little surprised. I thought Shador played well enough, but hey. They haven't got it right in a minute. They haven't gotten it right since Eli. Well, they better get it right. They better get it right since Eli. Well, they better get it right. They better get it right. Right.

OK, OK. Yeah. Wow. But you know, the momentum has started to build about Shadour possibly sliding out of the first round. Right. We like, okay, he doesn't go in early, he doesn't go to Cleveland, they don't go to the Giants.

It seemed like both of those teams had their mind made up. Had Cleveland not traded back, they were going to take Travis. Okay, they trade back, get the guy, they still get a great pick there. Right. And they pick up some draft capital along the way now The middle from nine from ten all the way to 21 and I need a quarterback So I'm thinking I'm thinking Steelers he doesn't go 21 to the Steelers nobody from 22 to 32 They were quarterback. So unless somebody trades back into the first round or choke

He can be a day two selection. Right. All right guys, coming to the stage, selected number seven overall in 1988. Pro football Hall of Fame in 2025. My brother, Starley Sharp, give it up, Pat. Oh, he getting mic'd up. What do we got? Jackson Dard. The Giants traded back. They would select the number three. They take Abdul Carter. They come back up into the first round of 26. They make the trade with the Houston Texans. They select Jackson Dart. Wow, that's big. That's, wow.

So there's only two quarterbacks going? Yes, yes. We knew Ken War was going number one. A lot of people thought Shadou would be number two. Yeah. But it's not how high you go, it's where you go. He still has an opportunity to go to a great situation. When you look at it now, what other team

still need a quote about? Cleveland. Cleveland. Who else? What about LA? The Rams? The Rams. I mean, Stafford's gotta be a year left. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a year left.

That's a good one. They, they did take steps and Bennett. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I forgot. He started at USC. Jackson Dard started at USC. OK, everybody that plays quarterback now started somewhere else. Oh, he does got he got a lot of the arm. OK. No, he played for Lane Kiffin, so he he Oh, Legos, he can play the position. He's going to be able to play the position. He's gonna be able to play the position

That's one thing about lane. He gonna dial it up now Wow what a throw and you got a lot of control cornerbacks have a lot of control in his system too. Yes And he moves just good enough yeah And he moves just good enough. Yeah Wow, the cats boy, no, huh, okay, what about the throne the throne Pretty good company the third Ole Miss quarterback to be selected number one in the common draft Archer and Eli proceeded him Archer was the second pick of the draft. Eli was number one and now we get 26

I like it. I like it Wow, I don't know that's your door. Sanders' delivery just sounded much better. Well, they did a job, boy. I'll say you guys appreciate that. That is... Oh, wow. What you are... You like the Packers selection? I could say yes.

I mean I don't I don't want you in the football to have an opinion. I mean I don't watch football anymore so I if he's a receiver and he can catch they got a good quarterback in Jordan that can throw it. I mean he should have success here, right? They ball sees traits of Josh Allen and Jackson Dart Hey coach, come on. Is that He was an OC. Yeah, when he had that breakout season. Yes, sir. So The one thing we know day box and coach now

Yeah, he said the same thing my thing Jones didn't Know what you call them He didn't he wasn't head coach with Daniel Jones wasn't oh He was the head coach, but I don't think he drafted him Bill still seventh Philip Rivers 4th, Daniel Jones 6th. Now I can't believe that, man. That's crazy. I think the thing is when you look at the Giants,

the Giants said, look, they were gonna take Travis, or they were gonna take up dual Carter I thought and all the Falcons traded back in you know they don't need a quarterback sure don't know no no no no well well Johnson James Pierce Jr. running back. Oh edge, he's the edge. Yeah. I like it. I like it. That's a good selection. Too deep. They took two defensive players.

They're like, look, we gotta get better on that side of the football. They're like, I like our offensive coach. Yes. But their problem was being able to stop people. You know, you know, you can't outscore everybody in this league You know, they got B. John Robinson. Yeah, they got a Drake look Drake London got Kyle Pitt's Mooney Mooney still yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Oh, look at what the Rams got. The Rams got more for that pick than what the Giants gave up. Wait, which one?

They got a second round, a seventh round? And the first. This year? They got first, yeah. Next year. I'm telling you, it's setting itself up for the Rams. I can see you Dory with the I mean, I know man. I'm not trying to get rid of my staffer, but he can't play forever. Yeah, you got to stay in the transition.

That's what got that's what got the that's what got the Steelers trouble. Still it will you let die on the vine. If there's a quarterback you like, you take him a year or two early as opposed to letting your quarterback die on the vine. That's what happened to Pittsburgh with Ben Robinson. Yeah, they let him stay too long. And they ain't been able to find an answer yet. Nope.

He's long too. Yeah. Woo. I've seen more football sitting on this sofa than I have in the last five years. You got the Al Wilson number 27 jersey on. I have never seen this much football in the last five years. Baltimore. If you're Baltimore, what you taking? What you need? Well, I thought...

It's not even what you need with Baltimore. Not remembering Christian Watson was a little nicked. I think ACL, I thought they would have taken a receiver. I thought they were going to get the guy from Texas, Baltimore. I was not thinking that Green Bay, I was not thinking about Green Bay and Christian Watson situation. So I was like the kid from Texas, if he's there, which I thought he would have gone first, I thought he was going to.

You remember Josh Jacobs, yeah, asking what he thought they needed call some flack. He said I think we need a number one. We need a dog Could you see the ball could you see Baltimore taking a DB Do they go get another receiver? They got Wiggins already. You got Marlon Humphrey. Marlon plays slot mainly. Safety?

Good point. D-line? That's a good point. D-line, D-tackle. Cause the young boy just retired. Oh, Pierce? Yeah. Ooh.

He just retired. Go D-tackle. I like that one. I think the thing is Baltimore's like you know what we can take whatever we want. We still got Lamar, we got Henry, we got Zay Flowers, we got the other receiver. What's the other receiver Ocho? Not Aguilar. No, seven. Oh. Richard Bateman. We got Bateman. We got Likely. We got Andrews. They got a nice offensive line. They re-signed Staley. So you're saying defense. I think they go defense. Yeah. I definitely think they go defense. I Depth I'm definitely thinking defense You got row I

Don't know if there's a safety rated that high to get to go with to go with Kyle Hamilton So I think I'm thinking to take a I'm thinking a corner or D lineman. I say will Johnson makes a lot of sense here because That's a good one like that now the cast-arts safety for Georgia He's supposed to be lose The player yeah, but my question I you know, I was like, okay What safety is rated high enough cuz it makes sense with Kyle Hamilton, right? Yeah all world safety Okay, well Kyle playing the box. He does he does he does He absolutely does

This would be the third one. Defense. Two edges and a safety. And I can't believe they picked Jackson Darn. I'm still here. Safety from Georgia. Delacasse Darts. uh... safety from georgia now that starts i'm retired

i'm retired i'm retired i like the big i like i like to speak like this pick for Baltimore. I like that. I think once you get down this long on the show, there ain't a whole lot of knees you got. Yeah. I mean, you won 11, 12 games. You went around in the playoffs.

So it's not like you're like, there's one guy that's going to change your fortune. It's not like you're at the top of the draft. At the bottom of the draft, I'm taking whatever the best player available. That's what I's going to change your fortune. It's not like at the top of the draft, at the bottom of the draft, I'm taking whatever the best player available. That's what I'm going to take. And at this point, especially this far in the draft, but Baltimore is a hard team to do. They're a hard team to track like that. They're like, oh, they're going to take this or they're going to take that.

Yeah, they do everything that that's a little bit unconventional. They always have been. But the thing is, when you're that good, it's a little bit unconventional. They always have been but the thing is when you're that good It's kind of like Kansas City. It's like but I mean what do you do? What do they need? You win 15 games you win 14 games right 12 games I mean, what do you what what can you select that down at the bottom? That's gonna put you over the top on your one It might not put him on the top but the first day the first team you mentioned was Kansas City. Yeah I didn't dig a line.

Oh, that's the old line situations. Now I'm not sure what you're going to get of quality that far down. Yeah. But you ain't got no choice. Yeah. They definitely taking no offensive linemen. The 40s and free agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.

We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason. And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered before your favorite team goes on the clock. We'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made. Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Picks in.

With the 27th pick, the Baltimore Ravens select. Now theout starts. Malakout. I like it. I like the safety of the pair with Hamilton. Hamilton, that's nice, yeah. You know, you got Wiggins you got huh? Even though huh kicks inside when they go to three wives. Yeah, he's really good in the slot

And you know bought a Baltimore they got Roquon So the general They brag off Kirby Kirby know how to get them guys the defensive guys Kirby know how to get them and can coach him yep when you I guess when you were coach Saban for that length of time you got to learn something you know when win championships oh yeah and championships. Oh, yeah. And the one thing Georgia players, DB defenders can do is run. Oh, look how he flip balls. Oh, look how he flipped those hips. Watch it. Watch this. Look at this. Oh, bro, you can't fool me. Yeah, you can't fool me. I'm gonna slip right through that. That's a good switch. Good pick up. That's mine. Yeah.

Hey, hold on, is he playing nickel or safety? Okay, now you're at safety. Safety. Yeah, but you know in today's college football, you gotta be able to cover so much space. Wow. He was at the point in the first first diagram. I like that. He got great. He got great ball skills. He got great ball. He got skills. He got great ball skills. I mean the first two plays he made he dropped this

guy made a play. Then on on the deep ball first thing you see touch look back for ball. Find it. Find it right away. Most of the time, you can tell when the DB is good. Most of the time in those situations, they panic. Yes. They panic and just play the hands.

And he plays with attitude. So he going to fit right in in Baltimore. He going to play just like them. So now the line's on the clock yeah they need some defense on Joe go get Will Johnson he from Michigan yeah yeah go get it go get it get met matching mode with a brother branch yeah well Brian branch is the real deal. Yeah. Oh my goodness, man Oh, they got tear along you got tearing off wrong. They got here Joseph. Yeah, we find Joseph Terry on Yeah, on on right. Yeah. Oh, he nice

What I think they definitely I definitely think they need a corner, yeah You didn't hut you're getting hutchback. Yeah now are they gonna um, are they gonna um Resign uh zedarius smith. Oh, that's right. He is free The question is it's kind of hard to tell what they need because they have so many guys on our arm defensive side of the football. So it's really hard to tell what they actually need considering so many guys were banged up towards the middle end of the year. But But our thing is is

But the thing is, if you look at it in the division that they play, if you don't need guys that can score, you need guys that can stop people from scoring. And in today's league, with the rules that there were, you better have nine guys that can cover. And Detroit with their offense, because they're going to score. Oh yeah. I would definitely not be mad if they took a corner. Yeah, I think Will Johnson, like I said,

he went to Michigan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, if- The pick is in. Yeah. Ash will be looking like ass What we got as what we looking like no What do you play oh

99 90 okay I mean considering all the people they had on defense hurt and they still finished seventh in defense. Yeah. They put so much pressure on you because they score. They force you to play catch up and they force you to turn the ball over. That's why you know you have some of them lopsided games. Right.

They got into that shootout with Buffalo. Yeah. De-tackle. They got into that shootout with Buffalo. Yeah Do you tackle I took a detail cool from Ohio State. Yeah Can't be mad at that either So it must be and it must be happy with obviously the skill position on defense Must be, but Arnold got to play better. He get too many penalties. Yeah, too much hold him, too much hold him, too handsy.

Gotta trust your feet, trust your feet in the eyes. Yes. When you do what he does, tell me he's guessing. He's unsure. He'd be better this year though. Yeah. Khalid Williams. How state?

Well, you like that pick? I think what they're gonna do is play offense with their defensive line. You don't know how healthy that he's gonna come back. Right. And I mean, at 70%, I mean, he's a high energy guy. He needs, they're gonna play offense with their defensive line.

They're gonna do a lot of that right there. They're gonna do a lot of moving. You are not gonna get one-on-ones. You're not gonna see a lot of that right there. They're gonna play offense with their defensive line. Whoa, whoa. They're gonna scheme and they're gonna slant and they're gonna move.

They're not gonna be in the same place when the ball snapped than they were when they lined up. That's what they're gonna do. I like that. Get off the ball, great press. Look at the press, look at the whole, look at the whole part of attack on your friend. It's A.

Park your ball, Where you going? You going to the A, I'm gonna throw you here. You going to the B, I'm gonna throw you there. LA. LA? LA. LA. LA.

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LA. LA. LA. LA. LA. LA. LA. LA. 3% chance of being able to 28-p bro he ain't going What no, he ain't going no quarterback yeah, and who's driving who's driving after Washington Buffalo they don't even going there Kansas City Kansas City. Billy. Man they did they they did they did an unborn young boy man. Hey I like the man. If I'm Kansas City I trade out of the first round. No absolutely not. I trade out of the first round I give you some day two second O-lineman. O-lineman okay okay okay. An extra second? I get an extra second. Okay okay you right. You can't you can't miss on

that on those picks either. No you're gonna trade out of the first round to get what? O-lineman, a couple of O-linemen in day two. Any O-lineman. Remember last time and 2020 they got beat they got their eyes beat out by ten. They go get a Thunie. Yeah. Yep. They got wheat. They go sign Smith. That's correct correct and they went back to back super bowl. Yeah Sam yeah, I mean it makes sense for them to trade out That's that makes that makes more sense because I mean they don't have a need they don't have a want right And the quake and the question is if the question is if you are With that being said if a situation you're looking at like hold on With that being said if a situation you're looking at like hold on

How high is rated is the offensive line move gonna get at 32 at 30 at 30 Why not slide back get a couple of extra picks I get a second possibly a third maybe fourth What is Washington take here defense No, no What is Washington take here defense Okay, they got to get the guy to go got to go defense obviously I mean because he held it and how they looking What What? I like, I mean, they really high. I would take. They're another team that you really don't Allen Did they lose did they release a defensive lineman Alan I think Jonathan didn't leave Jonathan Allen, I think they lost Alan. Yeah

You replace him They could use a corner These man who got on got from the Saints. Came over, Marshawn Lattimore. Yeah. I don't know if he can run anymore, though. He's real effortless, Joe. Yeah.

But he had to get his legs up underneath him, though. Remember, he was hurt for a little bit when he came from the Saints. Yeah. Then when he got out there, we in the middle of the season. Mike Green. Or take an edge. Or the safety out of South Carolina. OK. Nick Imanuora.

I like it. The pick then. You go defense ball offense definitely defense defense you don't need nothing of offense look at what they got you got a wide receiving Devo you get Tensel you got Ken law you got Will Harris sounds good what do you play? I like it. I like it. Protect the asset. Yeah.

I mean. Wow. Wow Man That's the thing about that grab though man God, did we not watch the film? Forget what the people they talk about I get the high in the sky don't lie Sometimes you sometimes you talk sometimes you'll talk yourself out of something. I believe they talk themselves out of this

Then everybody keeps saying well jackson dart ceiling is higher than she doors He determined that watching. Talk about. That pick right there puts a lot of pressure on your offensive coordinator. Cause you got new toys. You got Debo. You gonna have to put them in positions to score.

You got Terry McLauren. Ryan Robinson. Your offensive coordinator is about to be a star. Well, I mean, if Dee both can stay healthy. Well, you are, Clingsbury did an unbelievable job last year. Yeah. And now he's got more. You're too on his belt.

You got more guys that can, that he can step outside of his system. He's getting ready to be a star. Oh yeah. If I'm Kansas City, I'm taking a Mario in Hampton. Run it back. What you already got on. Pacheco. No. That is crazy. That ain't working. Bro, you ain't finna have all that kind of kind of time.

That ain't working. That ain't working. Woo, nice, nice pass off. Nice pass off. Oh, excuse me. Look at this, okay, I like the stand. Ooh, coming around there. Hey, get, I like to stand. Ooh, come around out, you, oh, hey, get out the way, son.

That ain't what you want. At all. But see, now that Ocho, you can't go low, you remember? Yeah, you create a pile. Yeah. Now you gotta take that punishment. Mm-hmm. You did? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Okay. He went to the Chargers. Okay. Okay. Okay. Because, you know, they let the other they let who did they let go? Because they had a what was the guy from Baltimore from from from from from 27 number

27. JK Dobbins. Yeah. They lost JK Dobbins, yeah. So I like the Chargers pick, but he went early, Ocha. Buffalo, okay, Buffalo, what do you get? What do you need in Buffalo? The Trinavius White came back. Hold on.

What position? You don't need nothing on, you don't need nothing on offense. You can never have too much offense. Corner. Corner. You can never have too much offense. In today's NFL, Man, but we talk about jobs.

Or the Beggar News score. Both ways, so they average about 13 wins a're begging you to score. But, what's the way? So they're averaging about 13 wells a year and they ain't got nothing to show for. You can't have enough. You can't have all those wells or show with nothing to show for. Yeah. Yeah, but if you look at how they,

look at where their season ends. Their season ends with either Kansas City or Kansas City. That's it. That's what they're playing against basically. Remember they lost against the Bengals. The year the Bengals went to the Super Bowl. Yeah. They lost to Kansas City. They keep saying they want to get home field. They lost to Kansas City. Kansas City wouldn't have beat them and then went on to Baltimore last year. Yeah. They had to go to the road to Kansas City. Yeah, I Would drive based on what Kansas City does to me it's gonna be the same

Same three same for every single year. They got the same for quarterback. Let's have an apple with those quarterbacks. That's what I would do Wow Wow. Thank you YouTube viewers, all you guys that are sitting out there at home watching us. We greatly, greatly appreciate. That's one thing we can tell you about that. You always support Uncan Ocho on Nightcap. We appreciate that. We appreciate you Packer fans for standing here with us. Give yourself a round of applause. You guys are unbelievable. I appreciate you all of you at home watching. You know I love you. I love you. Y'all holding us down. We appreciate that. It's uh what we ask you you say that they took it with it. Actually corner where is he from? Actually, corner. Where is he from? Okay.

Okay. Oh, SEC guy. I can, SEC guy. He can rush, he can cover. You know, Rasul Douglas is kind of injured. He can do it though. They brought your Navy's white bag. He was injured.

You know, hopefully he's healthy or you're removed from that ACL. Well, second year removed from that ACL. So hopefully he's better. I like Russo. I like the guy from, so hopefully he's better. I like Russo. I like the guy from, where is he, from Houston, the D-Tackle, I love him. I can't think of a name off the top of my head.

Ash, what's the D-Tackle number 91 name? From Houston. Houston or Buffalo? Ed Oliver. You mean Buffalo? Ed Oliver. Oh, he's from Houston. Yeah, from Houston. Yeah, Ed Oliver. You mean Buffalo? Ed Oliver. Oh he's from Houston?

Yeah, from Houston. Ed Oliver. Ed Oliver. I love him. He's got a motor. He's violent. He strikes. I love everything about him.

They got Russo on one edge. Eponesa on the other side. Now the question is, is Matt Milano fully healthy? When he's healthy? He's's sideline to sideline. he top three. I like it I like that. I'ma make you famous. I'ma make you famous. You better get it up. You better get up in here. Come on now, come on.

You want some of my beef jerky? I'll tell him. I'll tell him what your high field looks like. Oh, he was at the draft. Who? I say, why do they invite certain people when they know they're not going in the first round? And just have them sitting there looking crazy? I wouldn't come. If you don't, unless you just certainly absolutely sure.

Abdul, you know, like Cam and Abdul and I'm in travel no Okay, the Campbell Yeah, my life now Man, that's a crazy feeling. Ocho, you think J.L.E. Milroy will go before Shador? They playing it. Oh, that's a good one. What you think?

They love it. I hear a lot of people say he has the most upside. They can't stop you looking at looking at size and arm strength. What I tell you, told you old chump. Trading, I told you. For who and for what? They traded with Philly. I don't know why Philly feel they need to move up to 31,

they was at 32. He moved up one spot to make sure they get the person they want. Get the person they want. Get the person they want. They really, they really can go anywhere. Right. Other than quarterback, they don't need a wide receiver, they don't need a running back,

they don't need a quarterback, they don't need offensive linemen. We know they not go offensive linemen. They got, they got, they number one in damn near every position. Right tackle, left tackle, left guard center. Receive them. So they got a top three player. Yeah, yeah they do.

So, D lineman, they loaded in D lineman. They've shown us you can't have enough D lineman. You usually got a time to recover. Nice rotations. You got a time to recover. So you get a situation where we got a NASCAR package. We got a group that stops to run and then we switch. Then we change tires right quick, do a pit stop.

Come on in. Come on in guys. Let's see what you're looking like. Oh no, he nice got oh no he nice He nice look at this look at this what you're looking at he nice I got you You thought I was gonna bite no he he thought I don't call for the banana to tell pipe no he in our conference he's nice No, he he he thought I don't call put him with that in the tailpipe no he in our conference he's nice They're no, he's gonna show definitely no he got out the back side

We're gonna flip those hips Give me that guy flip them bags man Look at his feet look at his, look at this, look at this, look at this. Look at this, look at this. He, he, he, he. Uh-uh, yeah. Oh, don't try me. Our guys, you should always say in South Carolina, he believes what he sees. He, he, he, you're going to have to be real good to fool him.

Nice. I like it. Nice. Eagle, Eagle said, man, we ain't finna hold y'all. We don't need all this time. Come on. That's a good pick. Oh, yeah. We don't need all this time. Come on That's a good pig

Okay That's a be lineman ash big go DB The line bell Wait Oh line backer. Yeah. They just signed Bond back, yeah. Yeah, they did, yeah. Nicole B. Dean, how healthy is he gonna be?

You know, he had that knee. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, see? Way late. The 40s and Free Agents podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft. We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.

And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered before your favorite team goes on the clock. We'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made. Listen to the forties and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't know. I feel like I believe y'all could have got that guy at 32. Yeah he would have still been there. I believe he would have still been there.

I believe he would have still been there. Because if Kansas City would have wanted him, they wouldn't have choose you. Yeah. Maybe they was worried about somebody else shooting up. No they weren't, no they were no. They were about to fall asleep, they just wanted to do something to get busy in the draft. Yeah. I like it.

That's dope. I like it, look, I like I like I like the bills pick You know, he gonna have his hands full now, oh yeah Waddle Tyree. Mm-hmm Yeah, you got Buffalo in their situation Shakir? You got Palmer? You got Keon called me you got to deal with? I mean the Patriots ain't got no, I'm talking about that boy.

I know you got Stefan. Yeah, yeah. I'm talking about that. Yeah. Man. Like I said, it's Stefan. You saying you're a receiver for Buffalo? No. Rece Yeah. Man, ew. Like I said, and step on it. You saying they're a receiver for Buffalo?

No. Receiver? No, no, for the Patriots. Yeah, they got digs. But digs is coming off an ACL. And you know it don't take you a year. He's going to be on this side anyway. Yeah.

You need to get past that first year when you're dealing with that ACL, unless you're Adrian Peterson. Right. I don't know. Well, I don't know where he rehabbed that Yeah, you need to be you need to be uh Ashes are coming through. Ash no John Okay I heard him.

Huh? We'll be next year. We got proof of concept. Show everybody we can do it. It would have his process. Show everybody we can do it. Do what the F is for us. That's it. Thank you. I don't do shoes bro. Oh Astin Gentie. Wow.

It's Oh my goodness. Draft is so different. The draft is so different now with with with now when you know when I would It used to be on Sunday. They once started Sunday and then it went Monday, Tuesday. You had seven rounds. I mean, 12 rounds. When I came out, you had 12.

Now they start on Thursday, go Friday, and Saturday. That is it. Come on Eagles speed speed speed on defense Come on speed on defense Come on speed on speed on on speed on speed on defense. Cabbage I can eat on defense Speedy time defense He'll comfort oh, yeah With speed here bumper. Yes, he is

That's one thing about battle guys, but you a you would be like, you know when they get there you go down Yeah, you strike there All them 220 linebackers they don't have that they got them guys to 35 to 40 and can run for day may That's a good pick for them though, oh yeah to get that kind of value wait That's a good pick for them though. Oh, yeah to get that guy away And he can step outside their defense be on his own he can make plays on it Oh, you see I look at the side. He's made 35 his own Get on your horse get on your horse get on yours That's mine. Oh, that's mine. That was a terrible throw.

That's Carson Beck. I don't know what he was looking at. He don't either. Look at this. Read and react. Oh, dip it. Oh Dip it What are you doing? Man, oh Joe some of them guys they don't know what they'd be doing. I know they ain't coaching that

Showed up in her he was sudden what? Yeah showed up all of a sudden He was sudden wasn't he? He was sudden. He showed up all of a sudden. Imagine you're a defensive player and you going to the Eagles. Are you talking about a dream come true? I She the cheese for here cheese picker here What we got as how we looking I wouldn't be mad if they went linebacker But as how we looking I wouldn't be mad if they went linebacker Yeah, I mean they just hate people take office alignment would hope so I

Guess you take the don't know how stay got office alignment is still available Oh Oh, yes, yes. I mean they got DJ Humphrey who's a year gonna be a year plus removed from the ACL surgery. The guy Joanne Johnson Smith is back the guy Humphrey, they need a left guard. You know, Joe Thune is in Chicago now. Chicago has improved tremendously. They absolutely have. Yeah, the cornerback, remember the cornerback, he won the, he won the Thorpe war, yes, yes, yes. And, you know.

Why did he fall, why did he fall the way he did? I have no idea. I mean, he's probably thinking the same thing, uh, should doers thinking. How did I fall? Oh, right. Simmons. how did I fall? Oh, right. Simmons, Ohio State tackle. And he's going inside.

You gonna play the guard position or tackle? He's gonna move him inside. What did they like? Look, I think everybody that's out there listening to us, everybody that's here, I think everybody's shocked that Shour slid out of the first round. Right. You look, once he got past that first three, the first three, nobody else really needed a quarterback until they got it until they got to 21. Right. Okay. He doesn't go in at nine. But are you really not at saints?

At the saints? At saints? But are you really that shocked though? Because everybody, except for Mel Kuyper, everybody was saying Shadur was falling like a comet, everyone. Jackson Dart on the rise, Shadur falling, except for Mel. And then when you start to look at all the intent, I mean, they talk about accuracy, accuracy,

but then you look at Jackson Dart. He can move, he's accurate. He does all those same things. So, just listening to other people who do this for a living, they weren't shocked. And they were saying that since day one, since the combine, that Jackson Dart went to the combine, Milro went to the, they all blew up.

And it was like, Shadour was starting to fall. Well for me is that okay? Look like he wasn't going to Cleveland. He wasn't going to the Giants. Right. Okay with Derek Carr's situation with his shoulder We don't know if he went high hill. He thought he would have went. So now he doesn't go nine Nobody until 21 needs a quarterback. Right. Once Pittsburgh doesn't select him, you're like, OK, well, maybe somebody trades back. I said, don't show niggas. Somebody go trade back in the first round. And the Giants did trade back into the first round.

And so now they're going to take an 8-yard back and take dart. I don't understand. So let me ask you this. Does Milro go before Shador? I just ask you that. I have no idea. Because I mean everybody

likes Millrow. Everybody said he's a treat. He's gonna keep growing. They like the ability to 437 speed. The big-time arm. Now he struggled with accuracy. I don't like guys that struggle with accuracy in college. Not at that level. Not at this level, no. So if you struggle with accuracy in college, Struggle. We saw that with Anthony Richardson. Yeah. So it's hard to, you know.

It's hard to go there and be accurate. Yes. If you don't bring it with you, you ain't picking it up on the way there. Because you got to be, you got to be, you got to throw guys open. Yes, sir. Guys ain't gonna be, every once to be, you got to throw guys open. Yes sir. Guys ain't gonna be, every once in a while a guy blew an assignment, missed a coverage and then all of a sudden you find somebody. But more times than not, you got to hit guys on the move.

You got to get loose before he gets out of the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to have, you got to have some skill, man. But they like, they keep talking upside up. That's the thing with you, I know you're tired of hearing it, but they're talking about upside. He has the ability, he has the most ability to expand. Right. Yeah, but when you talk about upside with the Milro

and these guys, the upside is you're not getting off the bus playing right now. Yeah. Your upside is you can wait two years and then you can move in and be comfortable. Upside is not, oh, he's gonna get better at what he does. You can wait two years and then you can move in and be comfortable. Upside is not, oh, he's going to get better at what he does now. No, upside is the fact that, guess what?

You ain't playing tomorrow. We don't want you to play tomorrow. We really don't need you to play tomorrow. It's like Pinnix in Atlanta. He had tremendous upside because they knew he wasn't going to play right away. But my thing is, and I told Ocho this when they signed Cousins, I said, Ocho, the best, I'm talking about the absolute best you can hope you get from Cousins is two years. What happens, Ocho, if this car breaks down halfway through the season?

And I'd be damned. Now you stuck. You gave him 100 million guarantees. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but 100 million guarantee. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but it's Monopoly money. Monopoly money. I mean, everybody can spend. There was a 3% chance he was going to be available. So there

was a chance. Yeah. Yeah. Small. That's bull. I, wow. I mean, Ash, I'm only saying LA with the Rams with Shador. I'm only saying that because Stafford is in, I think, the last year of his deal.

Yeah. But I don't, but I don't know if it ain't the Rams. I don't know who. Right. I mean, the Saints could come back in the second round. Well, Cleveland is up. Cleveland picked first Saints could come back in the second round. Well, Cleveland is up. Cleveland picked first in the second round. Might be the first one taken.

At the end of the day, bro, I won't. It's where you go, not how high you go. I've always said that. I'm like, you know, I don't care. I don't care. Just let me get in a system that will allow me to keep being me. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I want. Come on. In a system that I can keep. I don't have to learn to be you. I don't have to learn to be you. I want to get off the bus being

me. And that's the most important thing. I mean, the money is good, too. You know, I really like to go second, then to go seventh. But other than that, what I get in the money is good too. I'd really like to go second, then to go seventh, but other than that, you get in the system that will allow me to be me. I mean, I went to a situation, I went to one of the three teams that had an H-back position. What if I don't go to a team

that doesn't have an H-back position? I came to a team that didn't want me. Washington, the Chargers, and the Broncos, the only team that had like with them. Yeah, yeah. All the tight ends get hurt. Yeah. What are the chances?

There's no chance that all three of them get hurt. There is no chance. I'm the biggest wide receiver. I just happen to weigh 215 pounds. So, hey, he can play tight end. Right. Huh? When they had 215 pound tight end,

was in the 60s, the 50s, not the 90s. Right. But, half the highest draft of receivers is Calvin Johnson and two thousanders. Well damn, well he's the highest drafted DB since who? When last time a DB went the second pick? Sure, what number of prime went? Prime was five. Where he went before prime? Sean Springs went to in 98. Yeah.

He came out with one Charles Woodson. Okay, but Sean was nice. He was nice for that one year. I don't know what happened and then everybody startedson. OK, well, Sean was nice, boy. He was nice for that one year. I don't know what happened. And then everybody started cooking for that. Oh, that's an Ocho right now. That was an Ocho release right now. That was an Ocho release right now. That staff.

And he like, I ain't going nowhere. I ain't going nowhere. That was an Ocho. That was an Ocho release right now. Excuse me. That's a, that. yeah, I got that. He got a lot of you, man. He does, he has a lot of you.

Yeah, look. He torching. Lil' Simon. He really torching. Ooh, man. 82 to 58. That's. Hehehehehe.

He gonna be nice and Duvall, man. Oh yeah. He finna put them butts in the seats, boy. Yeah. He finna put them in the seat. I just, you know, I just hope they don't wear him down. Kevin, how do you play him? They gonna let him do what he want now. How do you play him? I build a him do what he want now. How do you play him?

I build a package on offense, but he playing defense. You drafted him as a? DB, to play receiver. Oh, you're ready to lose the rule? Lose what rule? The receiver rule. How? Ain't he better than what's there?

That ain't got nothing to do with my money. Man, but he ain't trying to yell at him. Oh. Really? He better than what's down. Really? On both sides of the ball. OK, so now we going to do this, all right? I'm just telling you.

Hold on. Hold on. You've been in them rooms. Yeah. What receiver you know don't mind sharing the ball? What receiver you know is OK with you making catches? Well, it don't matter. I mean, at the end of the day, I think it's always like this when you're a rookie coming in. Oh yeah. You gotta prove it.

He don't. You gotta prove it. I ain't just I ain't just finna you know just take it I understand. Look your position is here you here for the next three years but I'm still gonna make it work or they gonna put me on the other side. Yeah one the I ain't going to the bench hold on who the receiver in Jacksonville right now man they got Brian Thomas oh my god never mind I take that back he's the second best receiver what would you what you think Brian Thomas gonna be happy seeing him coming yeah that's some good help though yeah that's a good help Brian he not better than Brian Thomas gonna be happy seeing him coming? Brian Thomas Jr. No. That's some good help though. Yeah.

That's some good help. Brian, he's not better than Brian Thomas Jr. I know that. I should ask you a question. Now with that being said. How did I forget that? Do you pair him with Brian Thomas and let him play limited snaps on defense

and let him play, boy, that's what I would do. Nah. That's what I would. Brian Thomas Jr. can carry that load by himself. Because he did it last year. The question is, let's see what Jacksonville does. They ain't got no second round pick. They gave that up when they moved up.

So they ain't got no second round pick. So there you go. He'll receive it. He'll receive it. They got to be. Man, you see Gil, son? Yeah. I texted him. need to return to the postseason. And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft. So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered before your favorite team goes on the clock.

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Jazz. Keith K. Von Thibodeau will exercise to the... Like why would they not keep Thibodeau? You got him on the fifth year. Why would you not keep it? Right. I'm not... I mean, anybody surprised by that? No, not at all. No, by that? No, not at all. No, not at all.

No, not at all. Not really. I mean, you got, you put him with Fibberdoll on one side, you got Abdul Card on the other and you got Big Lawrence in the middle. Oh, you put them on both, put them both on the same side. And move them. Right. Just, just twisting stunts.

You got Big Dex, Big Dex, you know he gonna hold it down in the middle. Nasty, right. Big big decks a good one. I Mean I like what the job did I do too cuz you got you got to go hunt I do too got a you got a hunt Jalen Jalen hurt you got a hunt Jane Daniels you got to go hunt that Well, I think you definitely got to look at Washington and Philly because their quarterbacks are moving You definitely got to have somebody that can move with them. Yeah, I think you definitely got to look at Washington and Philly because their quarterbacks are moving. You definitely got to have somebody that can move with them. Oh yeah.

I don't think Dak is going to move as much as those two, but those two in Philly and Washington, you need some folks that can go get them. I like look this was this was the worst kept secret ever. Yeah. What? Yeah. I mean I mean think about it after this pro day they casting all the other come on out with you. We know what we're doing.

We've seen enough. I like it. I like this pick. Look, I like the top picks. Does he play his first year? Oh yeah, he play it. Wait, in Tennessee? Yeah. He gonna have to.

I think he, he may even play day one. So you don't think he sits here? Not at number one. No, you don't sit number one. Number one gets off the bus. They did Carson. Yeah. But they don't do that no more.

Yeah. Lamar? Yeah, Lamar. But Flacco came up for Super Bowl. That's right It's hard to beat your quarterback. There was Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And you know look you can think we'll say what you want about Joe Flacco's better than Will Nevis Yeah by far My homes he sat behind Alex Smith. Yeah, it's Smith. Yeah, Alex Smith was number one overdraft pick They were in the playoffs the year before right?

Wow and think about it All the playoff success that they had, Andy still traded up to take him number 10. Yeah. You see how the four were thinking? I know what this offense is, but it could be so much better. Better. Man, I got Kelsey, I got Tyreek. He saw it. But you, but sometimes as a coach, you got to do things that's unconventional because man, you just went to the playoffs man You got Alex Smith playing so well, but I know what this offense can be I see what it is

But I know what it can be right if I get me somebody that'll push the ball down the field That's not afraid to take chances because you know, I've named and checked down Alex. Yeah so I I came they did what instance We're having Pistons lost by two Jalen Bronson probably did something incredible. Look at that 12 minute and can't in the form can't had 31 What can't do decay go crazy? What can do decay go crazy?

K-24 to 11 Hardaway Jr. 24. Okay, you're like Grizzlies showing some fight. They trying. Okay, you're like Grizzlies showing some fight. They trying. Oh, it's still a lot of game to go. There it is. Y'all must be going crazy or Jaren Jackson. Pippen Jr. Jaren J- Yeah.

I like this. Man, the clippers, the Clippers, the Clippers are nuggets. They are. Yo kids got a triple double already. I'm not I'm I mean this should door man I think I I it'd be interesting to see what what what you know social media has to say about by should by should do or falling no it'll be interesting if Milro go media has to say about Bashidur falling? No, it'll be interesting if Milro go before him. Oh my gosh. If Milro go before him.

But it's possible. Yes. It's possible. Yes. I mean, it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility. This has been a collective effort. Media. I mean, it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility. This has been a collective effort. Media, GMs, owners, but a simple fact, they allowed. So is it because his last name's Sanders? That's what you're saying?

There's no other reason. There's no other reason. Turn the film on. I want my quarterback confident, because if he doesn't have that he can't play I don't care. What is what a skill set is. I gotta have confidence You got to be you just have to believe look in pro sports You have to believe you the baddest mo for out here and I'm here for a reason Then you got to be mentally strong and not allow the outside noise to get to you. And that's hard, man. That's hard.

But I think it and plus you can't go press now, Ocho. Yeah. I can't show you what I can't show y'all what y'all missed in one game. Yeah, but let's look at let's look at his look. Let's look at the history of those. Let's just say he and Milro, just to throw out two names. He's always been the guy. He's always been the guy. He's never been challenged. Not saying that's good or bad.

I'm just saying he's never had to show you that I am who you think I am or want me to be. Jalen Milro was about to be a DB. Let me ask you this. If I take Shadour and put him at Alabama, and I take Milro and put him at Colorado, you think Alabama has a better record or worse record with Shadour? I'm going to say a worse record because Shadour doesn't run enough or run more. Okay. I think with Milro's legs,

and I think he throws it accurately enough in college football to beat for that team to be successful. If Nick Saban is still coaching and no dis on coach the board. But I just think that when you look at what Nick had him do, he was very good at what Jalen Milro is. I don't know if Shadour could take an Alabama offense because he doesn't run enough.

Doesn't use it. College football is all about the legs, man. You gotta use those legs. Well, Milro ain't running in Colorado with that offense of a leg. No, Milro would have been running in Colorado with that offense. Yeah, he would have been running.

He went on complete 74% of his throws, I know that. He might not have 10 touchdowns behind that off his leg. I agree with that, I'll agree with that. You'll have a thousand yards rushing though. Or 2,000 yards rushing. Yeah, I kinda disagree a little bit. Where? Obviously there in Alabama, just say hypothetically,

if the players have switched, there's no Travis Hunter in Alabama, but I think collectively as a group. Williams ain't bad though. Nah, nah. No, but that's what I'm saying. See, in that, you gotta look at how the conference is built. The conference is built.

You see all the, you see Georgia, you see all the D-Lib, the autumn D-Lib, edge rushes. You gotta be able to move a quarterback. Georgia. Ole Miss. I mean, you gotta be able to move it. You gotta be able to move. If you look at all the quarterbacks in the SEC,

they can throw it. Even if he can't do it with his legs, he's a better throw of the ball than the row is. Yeah. Yeah, but we're gonna attack that weakness. See, that, see when you are dual threat, it's hard to attack a weakness because we don't know which one it is But if you can't run you're gonna be standing back there. Oh, yeah, we get into that Our conference is built on getting to that right?

That is a interesting situation though if you had to put some money, what do you think you're going to? Now here's the thing. I'm going with the Rams. I'm staying the shock is gonna be if he slides out of the second round We already we surprised right that he slid out of the first round. We would be shocked if I gasp, but if he slide again, I wouldn't even know to say I Wouldn't know to say hey second round see can I go? Can I go back to can I go back to college? Yeah, it's a train and I get my eligibility back and go back to college. It's got to be one of those two saints and Rams Yeah, all right. I say Cleveland to you guys that came out and stood at the entire show,

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