Club Shay Shay - Nightcap LIVE from Super Bowl Radio Row: Hour 1 - AD Traded to Wizards, KevOnStage Joins & More!

Episode Date: February 4, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson live from San Francisco Radio Row for Super Bowl LX featuring the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks! They react to Dallas Mavericks forward Anthony Davis being traded to the Washington Wizards. Later, Unc & Ocho are joined by comedian KevOnStage, Fred Warner, Jay Glazer join, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP Timeline:00:00 - Intro02:40 - KevOnStage Joins!08:00 - Trey Smith Joins14:30 - Romeo Doubs Joins23:20 - Fred Warner Joins33:50 - Tyquon Thornton Joins37:10 - Jay Glazer Joins54:20 - Kamari Lassiter Joins1:03:00 - Denzel Ward Joins1:15:20 - Anthony Davis TRADED to Wizards!1:20:40 - Kendrick Bourne Joins (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Y'all know who I am. I'm your favorite aunt, and this is my partner and co-host, the Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of fame, honoree, a former pro bowler and an all-pro. That is Chad Ochosinko Johnson. Again, thank you guys for joining us early this morning. We know it's not our normal time, but you guess what? We're going to still give you the same great show that we would at night.

How are you feeling, Ocho? I'm feeling good. Long hour flight, six hours. I got a little bit asleep tonight. I perused the city a little bit last night. It was dark. I wasn't able to see much, but I'm happy to be here. I'm glad to be under one roof because now we get to see some of the former players,

some of the current players, some of the media members that talk trash about us when we were playing. So I get to extend them graciousness after all these years. All right. Without further ado, we got our first guy coming to the stage. We're coming to the seat, really not a stage. He's Kev on stage. Kev, how you doing, bro? Good to see you.

What's that, baby? You guys. I'll see. Appreciate y'all for having me, man. Thank you for coming for your little back up so we get the levels right. There we go. You know, you're not new to this. No, I ain't new to this.

I ain't new to this. So, Kev, let me ask you this. Yeah. Everybody know you do your individual stuff, but lately you've been doing a lot of stuff with Tony. Tony Baker, yeah. Tony Baker, and I'm interested. What type of comedian are you? Are you a physical comedian?

Are you a social comedian? What type of comedian are you? I mean, I think I'm multiverse. Okay. I think I love physical comedy. I'm not ashamed to put my shirt up. You know, if that gets a laugh. I'm not ashamed to do an act out.

Right. I get a lot of my comedy from Arnest J. Yes. I don't know if you're on Arnese J. Yeah, kick his leg up, man. Do everything to do anything to get you to laugh. So I think my style plays well with Tony style, you know, because he's, Tony, you know, because he's, Tony, Tony can make you laugh with just a Facebook trip.

Right, right. Just a sound. Like, his whole body is, is. the joke. So I think we work well together because of that. The fact that you are multiverse and some of the things you do when it comes to making jokes, is there, do you ever get pushed back some time with some of the stuff that may offend people? Oh, absolutely. The thing is, everything's funny to somebody, except the person who's a subject. So I do a lot of church stuff, right? If that person's pastor falls, it's funny. If my pastor falls, that's the man of God,

and that ain't funny, and God will not be mocked. So it's like, you know, comedy inherently is offensive. The subject of the joke will always be mad about it. So I just try not to be rude. I try to be, you know, and also as my career role... Yeah, I want to be able to, if I see you in the streets, it's like, nah, you had to get me care, but you ain't had to go that hard. Right. I'd rather be that than, like, I never try to be malicious.

Because I've been on the end of somebody going crazy off me. It's like, God, dog, man, okay. Like, I don't know, I take my last year. You gotta go crazy, y' a man. You know, the fact that you said, my bad, the fact that you did just say that, now I'm curious. What did you think about the Drusky's getting,

and how mega church's pastors act. You know what's funny about that? We had to take them lumps, right? Because Drusky, to me, he is absolutely a comedian, but he's a cultural anthropologist. Yes. If he doesn't have that information to pull from, that joke is like, well, what is that?

I don't, that's never happened. Okay. I saw those videos. Did he have that jacket? Did he have a Christian Louis? He didn't have that jacket. No. The preacher didn't have that all?

That was, if you talk about Mike Todd, they put that together. I never saw him wear that. I think AI did that. Right. But there be. People wearing designer drip down. So it's like I know pastors who came from the, you know, ceiling on the hip line.

I never seen smoke that way. But there's also you go a little farther down. But there's absolutely production value. You know what I'm saying? And some of them churches, they'd be having drummers in the rafters. Like, he pulling from the material. He started from somewhere. Yeah.

And he does it to everybody. It was just our turn. Yeah. The OGs was mad when he did that. The Q's was mad we went at them. The white people was mad when he went at them. Everybody's mad when it's their turn. I think the thing is what a comedian does, and I've talked to a lot of comedian and you know, Cab, I've had a lot of comedians on my show.

And they say, what we do is we take real event and we make them funny. Sometimes they're about things we see. Sometimes they're about things that happen to us. Absolutely. But what we do, in turn, we make those things funny. Yeah. Like you said, he had to have seen a production somewhere in a megachurch in order for him to draw from this because he's just not coming out of this out of thin. A thousand percent.

There was a pastor in Brooklyn who was dripped down. every Sunday he apparently stole somebody's money. In the Gucci? In the Gucci? Yeah, I know you're about. You know your job. I covered all this in my podcast. He ain't pulling from nowhere. So I think if you got to be mad, you got to be mad at the source material, not the person who's holding the

mirror up to the source material. But we've heard them close the door. Hey, $10,000. God said, you'll give you a blessing. You give me $10,000. So what are we supposed to do with that? I'm saying. It used to... When did the church start going into prosperity? They start

started preaching prosperity, and I'm not so sure that's the word of God. But go here, Ken. I'm telling you, I've been in church my whole life, 40 years, 42 years, 45 years. Charles Hayley, the cable thing. What's up, Charles Hayle? Oh, gee. What's up, bro? None, man, I just want to step in, dog. Well, you block it my camera, stand on this side. Yeah. Your camera? Yeah, he does the camera right there. He's got a lot of them. We're going to get it. Come on. Go ahead. Go ahead. Finish it. Yeah, I think prosperity gospel has been preached since the early 9th.

90s, people have been mad since the early 90s. Reverend I did it. Yeah, who? Reverendite. You remember Reverend I remember Reverend I? Reverend I said, don't put change in the pan. God don't like noise. Like noise.

The prayer clause, you don't remember the prayer cloth. I remember that. Peter Popoff, like, give his swag and Rex Humbar. Yes. Let me stop. It's been happening since Icar River. No, it's true. It's true, but sometimes people need hope.

Right. And I think sometimes you're speaking to people who need something. Yes. And you want to activate that in them. So I don't think it's inherent. wrong, but from the outside looking in, if you don't understand that, it's like, what y'all talking about? You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I think it's

more of that. Do you think comedy is getting back, because you remember back, like, when prior started and there was no host barred. There was nothing that you couldn't say. It didn't matter if you were in a wheel. They would pile like that. And it kind of got away from that because we got correct and maybe we over-corrected.

Maybe the pendulum swung too far one way because, you know, you know what happened. Yeah. It's kind of like in 2008. They said the pendulum swung too far to the left. And so now in 2016, we've got to swing to twang all the way to the right. And so instead of being somewhere in the middle, we've gone too far.

And now we'll see that situation where we're kind of getting back. Comedy is always reflective of society. It's always fluid of society. Comedians are always pushing the line. I don't think comedy ever really got away. I think those risque comedians always worked. People just had to go find them. You know, the Internet just made it instant.

Yeah. Back in the day, you have a joke that's out of style, out of touch. You just stop saying it. But now the internet's like, they said this joke. Here's the video of it. Well, that's 2016. I don't do that joke anymore. But I think there's, the pendulum always swings the same way.

Wrestling is reflective of society, stuff that they got away with the 90s. They was like, okay, we can't really do that no more. And now you can try it again. Comedy is the same way. You know what I also think about, I think about some of the old sitcoms of the days, the good time, the all in the family. If I think comedy can get back in a great space, I would love to make the moniker, make comedy great again.

where we don't worry about what people think. We don't worry about how people feel. One of the few comedians that I think really doesn't care about backlash that's able to get away with it is Dave Chappelle. He's one of the few. And I think if we can get all comedians that cater to their strict fan base and not worried about what everybody else thinks,

I think at that moment and at that time, comedy will be once great again. Right, right. I think comedy, I think that happens all the time, though. I think there's always a political comedian that goes too far. White House correspondent's dinner, for example, There's always somebody who's political.

Josh Johnson who can weave that line. Then there's Ryan Davis who's just really cerebral or really funny. And then there's people like me who would just be silly. Tony make you think. I think there's all these different types. I think comedy-like music has different genres, different people, and you can kind of pick what you want to pick and feel how you want to feel based on what mood you're in.

Yeah. Appreciate the young. Thank you. Cerve on stage. Make sure you, check them out. All right, baby. OG., appreciate you. Give them what you call them.

IG, anything. Kevin on Stage. Follow me on Kevin on Stage. Any platform you're on. I'm on there under Kevin on stage. Appreciate you, bro. Thank y'all, man. Appreciate you, y'all.

Kav on stage, ladies and gentlemen. Very funny, man. Make sure you check him out. Normally you'll see him with Tony Baker, but he does, does his own thing, and he's exceptional. He's exceptional. Come on in, Trey.

Oh, you're just sitting in, huh? Yeah. It made a blood. Have a seat. I ain't. What's up, bro? Oh, I can't sit there. What's up, what?

What's up, man? What's up, though? What's up, though. Have a seat. This is two-time Super Bowl champ, two-time Pro Bowl of 24-25 in February of 25. He signed a four-year contract for $94 million making up the highest-paid guard in NFL history.

Trey, you look, this was a down year for y'all. A lot of injuries. You got hurt. Pat got hurt. You started the season without Rashid and guys were in and out of the lineup. But you know the expectations. When you've had the level of success that you've enjoyed over the last seven years, this was an unacceptable season.

What do you guys need to do to say, you know what? but the Chiefs are back. We really never left to win anywhere, but we're definitely back. Yeah, man, since I was a rookie, the day I walked in, man, we had a standard. You know what I mean? And obviously we felt well short of the standard this year.

And I guess speak for myself in terms of accountability, man, just being more detailed-oriented, being very consistent. You know what I mean? And approaching the game better, you know. As players, we got to make what our coach is called go, regardless of the situation, regardless of circumstance. And for us, I think it really comes with accountability and being detailed-oriented.

When you look at a situation, Because sometimes when you have such success And you have a guy like Patrick Mahomes You feel that he can cover up for a lot of mistakes No matter where Offensive guard with A pat got that A guy runs the wrong ride

I have an M.A. Pat can have a bad call. Pack and overcome that. But at some point in time Those mistakes when compounded Because you get a guy that will You get a guy that makes another mistake compounded with a bad call

That's even stoked too much for Patrick Mahomes to overcome So how do you make sure you get back Because he's coming off a very serious injury You lost, missed time the entire, like, seven, eight games. So how do you make sure the Kansas City Chiefs that when we're in the situation next year, when we're in L.A., there's a great chance we see the season. It just starts in the offseason, man. As early as OTAs, you build that team chemistry early.

You know, we bring new guys, we draft, three agents, whatever you have it, and just making sure we're all on the same page as a team. You've got a guy like Airy B. Enemy coming in, obviously, Coach Reed, man. Like, he lets us be men out there, right? Right. But at the same breath, man, we have to be more accountable for ourselves. with that freedom, with that respect that he's giving us. So for us, man, it's a standard.

You know, getting back to that standard. Being right, man, like you said, Pat's coming off an injury. I know he's going to attack what everything is. And that's who he is, it's competitive, man. So just being the best version of ourselves that we can be because we have to uphold that standard and we keep talking about. We have to finish better.

We have to be a better team. We have to get back to the winning ways. Matter of fact, if you were GM, take your football head off right now. You're not the player. You're not the guard. You're not the one that makes 94 million. Yeah, but you're rich, boy. But you put your GM hat on.

Yeah. And you're coming into this season, knowing Pat is coming off an injury. Yeah. What would you do offensively to make sure that Pat doesn't have to burden the load of the success when there are weaknesses in that offense? What would you do? Yeah, man. I mean, man, it's hard also.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not a GM, man. Yeah. I'm like speaking on it. But for me, man, I think, you know, a front-dive officer of lineman, we have to do a better job, you know, keeping them protected. Like you said, it's coming off injury once again, making sure you feel. those calm, they can operate and be who he is, Patrick Mahomes. And, you know, at the end of the day, man, I really think identifying as players,

once again, I'm going to speak to myself, just being more detail, accountability, just being really in tune of what we're doing every single time we go out there. So we don't stall. We don't have these awkward moments where someone's running the wrong way, like you said. Like, you know, someone's whiffing on a play. Like, how can we be better to set him up? We have one of the best to ever do it. Because you have times.

You guys go up and down the field. And it's like, visit the Kansas City. and then you go two, three quarters and you're like, who the hell is this team? How is that arguably one of, that's the greatest quarterback currently playing. You can make a case he's a top five quarterback and he's only seven, eight years into his career.

What happened to this office? Who are they? And I know you feel that way because you've seen it at its highest when you guys can do no wrong. Yeah, yeah, man. I mean, that's just the ebb and flows with the game, though. You know, at the end of the day, man,

you're not going to be that dominant consistent factor every single year. You might have a down, you might have a down to a tumultuous time. But, you know, it's just about getting back to the winning ways. Like I said, getting back to the standard is a secret to the sauce, right? What is the standard? Being consistent, being accurate, being detail-oriented. Once we get back to those ways, man, and how do you do that?

You go to work every single day and you fix something one single time, one rep at a time. You just continually get better. And that's all you can do as a player, man. Is that where EB comes in? Because EV was the accountability offer. I know EB. EB was the accountability offer. He don't care who you are.

He don't care what your title is, how many pro bono, all pro. If you effed up, yeah, he won't let you know. Did you eff up? Did you eff up? Tell me what you did. And the funny thing about it, you know why everybody's always up in arms? Because the Chiefs have sustained consistent success for so long.

And you make it look so goddamn eat from the outside looking in. Those that play the game, we understand how difficult it is. We understand how special Andy Reid in that situation he has what Patrick Mahomes, what Pat Mahomes is. And the fact that when you guys have a down season, everybody's like, oh my goodness, what happened? And all it is, is going back to the bases, going back to the drone board.

As you said, it's off the line having accountability, trying to minimize the mistakes you make so Pat Mahom can function the way he does as one of the better quarterbacks in the history of the NFL, not just now. Yeah, man. Y'all going to be all right, though. Y'all going to be all right.

No, no, man. Just take it one time at a time, man. Oh, Trey, heal up. Yes, sir. You know what the expectation are? I already know. You know, hey, I already hear you be streaming finish right now.

Hey, also let Eric Beanie me know if y'all need an offensive coordinator assistant or wide receiver coach assistant, I'm here. I already got on red. Yeah, let me know. Hey, I appreciate you back. What's good. Congratulations.

Getting healthy, bro. Yes, sir. Much of your feet of you back out there. Boy, good to see you, boy. What's up, bro? Joining us right now is a 22, fourth round pick from Nevada. In 2025, he had 55 reception, 724 yards and 6 touchdown.

He is an unrestricted free agent this offseason. He is Romeo Dobbs. Broke how you doing, bro? What's up, why? Man, I'm good, man. I'm blessed. I'm breathing, walking. All the little goodies, man.

That's all I need. I got a question. Why you keep wearing that ugly-ass guardian cap? Hey, yo, hey. I'm tender-headed. Better safety than sorry, man. Yeah, I got you. I got you.

Listen, unrestricted free agent, right? Yeah. What you've done for the person? Packers. Every time we watch a Packers game, it's 87 cutting up. You are the safety valve. You are the, what's the word I want to look for? The outlet for Bull of Jordan Love. Yes, sir. What do you want to do? Man, I want to go back. I want to go back. And I love Green Bay. Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? I love the structure. I love the coaching staff. I love how they go about things, man. And, you know, the rest, I'm going to just leave that unknown because I know, you know, I'm new to this game.

I don't know what to expect, but I am aware of this business. I understand the situation in our room and what's going on, man. So, yeah, that's pretty much all I got. With this business, I'm not blind. I'm not Ray Charles, but I understand your value. You understand your value. I know what you deserve. I know what you can get there and I know what you can get elsewhere.

I'm going to leave it at that because I don't want to get you in no trouble saying the wrong things. Go ahead. Yeah. Romeo, you guys in the division game, you went off. You had eight for a buck, 24, you get out to that great lead. What happened? How did you let that game get away from you guys? Look, man, I'm still questioning that now.

You know, and we all know it's not easy losing in this league, especially in games like that. But to be very optimistic about this, it was very clear that. that Chicago had the better game plan. You know what I'm saying? The energy was right. Whatever they had going on, they were aligned.

And there's absolutely nothing I can do at this point. You know, kudos to them. And again, that just gives me an opportunity to review that, not even just that game, but just throughout the course of the year. And just build off that moving forward. You know what? It wasn't so much of their last game because you did lose the final game of this season

and different than a playoff game is different than a regular season game because there's finality to it. But you lost your last four regular season game. So it wasn't like you were going into the playoffs on a high note. What transpired over the last quarter of the season that you kind of got away from you guys? I don't know. I don't know. I really don't know. And I know there is some answers that must be said right now. Yes, sir.

But yeah, man, I have no idea what went wrong, but it was very clear that to lose like that, something went wrong. And again, I'm in the midst of, you know what I mean, still. Trying to figure it out. I'm trying to deal with. There was a lot of, last off season, Josh Jacob, talking about the receiver room,

say we need a number one, we need a dog. They got one. And I'm sure you and Christian Watson and some of those other guys and read. Y'all didn't take too kindly. What you mean we need the number one? What you mean we need a dog?

You don't see us every day? Look, man, I love Josh. I was just rapping with him. You know what I'm saying? Just before we took off. But again, man, it's just, you know, just the, it's the situation, bro. Like, you got my...

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It's difficult. It's difficult. It's very, bro. Like some of these things, better left unsaid. Yes. To be completely honest about that. Right.

But, yeah, bro, it's just... Especially if you got to go back in that locker room. Because y'all were looking at them sideways. No, no, no, no. Okay, well, not me because, you know, I don't like to think in that manner. Right. Because I know when something is said like that, it is very easy to take it that way. Correct.

Right. So, you know, I never really, and again, I know what's in the past, days in the past, I've never been, I never spoke to him about that. All we did was have great practices together, watch some tape together, go out, go bowling, whatever the case may be, right. But that is not a lane you want to create. So I'm doing. I got a question.

Because, I mean, you're answering, obviously you want to be careful. You want to be PC. You don't want to piss anybody off, especially during the time that you're in. You're in a special place where... Potential employer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you want to go back? You had an Instagram post that almost it was deemed like a farewell to Green Bay.

If you had it's your way, would you love to go back to a team like the Packers where any given Sunday you don't know who day is going to be or would you like to go somewhere where you could be the dominant number of receiving and you know that offense

runs directly through you. That's a great question, bro. I'm being honest. I would love, man. Take your time. Yeah. Being around them guys, bro. Yeah, yeah. I would love to be around them.

There we go. I would love to be around them. Yes, sir. And it's just the, it was just the foundation that I felt, like we sat in that room like, you know, we come in as young guys, you know what I mean? And not only did we understand that the situation was very unusual, like, you get into a league,

you get into the league, right? Yes. You got to get a guy like Stefan days. You got to get a guy like yourself for you that, you know what I'm saying, went through those ropes. But when you get year one, year two, year three guys all together, growing together, I think there's beauty in that, bro. Yes.

You know what you know how to say. work. Yes, sir. There's a pie. Yes, sir. There's only so many slices in that pie. No matter how delicious that pie is, there's only so many slices to go around. Somebody eat it. If you want to, you might get a little small piece or you might get a big piece, or I might have to leave and get the piece that I've earned based on what I've done in this league over the last three, four, five years. Yes, sir. Yeah. And you deserve, I know you don't want to say it. I'm going to tell you. I'm going to talk for you.

I'm going to be at my piece. You deserve the biggest piece of that pie Because I understand what you can and can't What you can and can't do And obviously there ain't no goddamn can't Because I watch you over the years I understand the value that you bring to the Packers I understand the value that you bring to another team

If you're afforded an opportunity to go somewhere else Yes sir Since you don't want to say it I say it for you And I appreciate you that nigger My bad But I will say this No way to be authentic bro Yeah

I will say this I would like to see a little better concentration because I've seen you make some, how do the hell he catch that? And then they throw you a smoke rod and you drop it. I just need to see that concentration level because I know it's there because I've seen you make the plays game in and game out.

And I've seen you go stretches where you have three, four, five games. And I was like, okay, this guy's trending. He's a top 10 receiver. And then I'll see you drop a routine stuff and it seems to carry over. It's like you drop one and you don't let it go. It's like you're still thinking about that play, the next play. And I would like to see you move.

past that to reach that ultimate goal because that's what the great ones can do. They can make a mistake, they can drop a pass, and it's over just like that. No, I appreciate that. That is very much noted. Very much noted. So, Romeo, Green Bay Packers' wide receiver, we don't know for how much longer,

but he says he wants to return. He had an unbelievable season, his best season thus far as a pro. He finished the year. Hold on, when we get back to his numbers. Who's the owner? Eight for 124. That's a bunch of owners. Okay.

eight catches for a buck 24 in a touchdown. That was in the wildcard round. 55 catches, 724 yards and six touchdowns. When he's having to divvy up a lot of plays and a lot of routes to other receivers. But, bro, great season. Keep your head up no matter what. Don't fall in love with a destination.

Yes, sir. Don't fall in love with a destination. They'll use that against you. Oh, yeah. They'll use that against you. I was just saying, don't fall in love with a destination. Man. So appreciate you, Romeo.

Thank you, man. Take care out. Enjoy the rest. Enjoy your week. You're promoting anything or you just here? I'm just, I'm here doing media. Okay. Here to speak for me.

Yeah. I got you. Appreciate you, bro. Have a great day. Make sure y'all giving that blank check over there. Y'all have a blessing. Appreciate you, bro. Oh, man, what a squad are.

All right. We got another very special guest coming to join us. This guy is a four-time first team all-pro in 2020, 22, 23, and 24. He suffered a dislocated and a broken ankle in week six, which ended the season. Here he was the missile. Fred Warren. Fred, how you doing, bro? Hold on.

We got to introduce him right. Go ahead, dude. One of the greatest linebackers in NFL history. The best linebacker in today's game right now. I love that. They're illustrious. They're comparable. 54.

What are we talking about? That's right. What are we talking about, man? Y'all tell me, man, what are we talking about? One of the greatest. Yeah. You suffered that broken and dislocated ankle in week six. Right.

How's the recovery going? Because they showed some tape, and I thought they did a great job, but not like, look, come on. Yeah, we could probably, but he's not going to be Fred. And let's not run the risk of doing any further damage. Let's give him a full offseason. So when we come back for training camp or we come back for the OTAs, he's looking like the Fred Warner that we know he's supposed to look like.

Yeah, I mean, it's one of those. injuries, right? Like, I remember all throughout my career, I've seen that happen to a couple cats, like, Dak Prescott, for example, I think he had that nasty one who was at home, right? Yeah. And it's kind of one of those ones. It's like a fear of yours. Like, you don't ever want to go through something like that because it just looked nasty. Right. And so when I'm in the moment, and I feel this, boom, hit down my leg and I'm on the ground. I look at my stuff and it's pointing the opposite direction. I'm like, oh, my gosh, like immediate shock went and went through my body, right? And so it is one of those things, though, and I am blessed that once they put

it together and you start rehabbing and kind of getting the healing process going, you jump, you bounce back really quick. So the fact that I even had an opportunity to return to practice during the playoffs, only three months removed from that speaks to everything you need to know. Like, it's just, it's unbelievable. And you know, you have the resources, you have the access to some of the best technology to be able to come back much faster than others as opposed to when we were playing. It was kind of different.

How do you feel now in the rehab process when you're on the field? Do you have your lateral movement, your explosion? Is it all there? You have the flexibility, everything? Everything. And it's only going to get better as time goes on, right? It's just, it's one of those things that it's your new reality. Like if you go beat it up, it's going to, you know, you deal with like the little swelling that kind of gets in there a little bit, the sorenness, right?

But as you keep going, man, you build that thing up from the ground up and do the things right. I think you mentioned it perfectly, like all the resources that I got now. Yes. I'm super blessed and happy that it happened later in my career where I have all these resources, all these, all these relationships I built up throughout my career. So now when it happened, it's like, I'm calling this person. I'm texting this person. Right. Okay, boom, boom, boom, we got a plan together. You know, I felt horrible for old campus.

scataboo, it was like two weeks after I did mine, he go and do his. And then, oh, Judkins with the, with the Browns. He had the same. I'm like, man, these guys are rookies that are just barely starting their career. They've got to go through something like this. But those type of setbacks, man, it only make for a greater story when you do come back. Go ahead. I'm going to say one question. Before I talk about the defense and what you guys with the higher of Rahim, Mars and everything. What do you think about the noise and the talk and the conversations about the injuries that constantly happen to you guys, much more to any NFL team because of the plant that happens to be close to the training.

Your thoughts, honestly. No, I mean, if I'm being honest, I think it's a little silly. I will say, like, the sub-station, the thing about it is it's been there for decades. Like, this ain't something that they just built up there the last five years or 10 years that Kyle had his team here. They've been practicing over at that sub-station forever. And now to say, is there something to it? I don't know.

There's not enough research that's been done. And I think that's something that they'll maybe look into more. But, you know, the game of football, y'all know, it's a violent game. And is a substation attributing to me breaking my ankle and have? No. You know, it's like there's this stuff that you just can't really overcome. Yes. And we do have an older roster.

So, like, a lot of our star players, quote-unquote, and guys that you pay a lot of money to, like when you're older, you're more susceptible to little things like hammies and all these little things. So, yeah, man, I mean, at the end of the day, we've got to always continue to find ways to be better health-wise. Because when we are healthy, we're in that big game that they're playing this Sunday. Absolutely. Yeah.

This might be a blessing in disguise because you say as you get older, you got a year and a half. You got a full year off. Fresh as a day's going to make you do it. You have Rahim. And I don't know if he was there with you at any point in time you had cross-passer of Rahim. But Kyle and Rahim go way, way back. They were both on the Washington staff together. When Kyle was calling plays for his dad and Rahim, I think, was the DB coach back then.

So what is your expectations about this defense? You finally got Robert Sala back last year. You had D'Amico and you had some of your best years under D'Amico. So what can you expect from Rahim to bring to this defense? You get Bosa back, to get some of those guys back that were injured, yourself included. So what can you expect from this defense? What can 49ers fans expect from the 49ers moving forward? The expectation is always dominance.

That's all that my expectation always is. And it's always been that since we've been here. You mentioned that Coach Sala, D'Amico, guys have built up this a top. top five defense year in a year out. And that's the standard now, right? And we're just trying to give ourselves the best chance to win a Super Bowl. And in my opinion, man, defense wins championships. So I think if we can build up a dominant group to help give us a chance to do that,

I think Rahim is the best person for the job. I only hear glowing things about him from everywhere that he's been. His players love him, staff, coaches, everybody has loved him wherever he's gone. So I know he'll do a fantastic job. Talk about this Super Bowl. You know this team. You're familiar with one team. That's right.

13 to 3 to last game of the season. didn't play in that game and then you go out there and then they do a great job. They run the opening kickoff back. And for the most part, the game was really never close after that. And your guys are going to have to step up because the Rams are in that division. And they were lost to the NFC championship game. The team that they lost to is here in the Super Bowl. Talk about the Seattle and the jump that they made for one year to the next.

It seemed like they got better defensively. It seemed like they got better offensively. That Sam Darnel is like, oh, my goodness. Yeah. No, I mean, they've done a really good job. You got to tip your cap. Of course, I don't like any of the Divisional rivals. And that's understood, right?

Yeah, it doesn't even matter if you, the Cardinals. You beat up this year. It's still what it is. Like, we just don't like you. But you got to tip your cap when, you know, when teams play, you know, a certain style of ball that you respect. And that's Seattle. Mike McDonald, the thing that he's instilled in their culture

and the standard of play, you see it on every phase of their team, offense, defense, special teams. Like, they're going to play physical. They're going to play a style of ball where they're relentless. And they've done a great job through the draft. you know, building up, and you have these young star players in like a JSN and a Devon Witherspoon that you can lean on while also adding in free agents like Sam Darno to be your franchise quarterback. You pick up Rashid Shaheed on the trade.

Ernest Jones. You talk about the market Lawrence. They loaded up their roster with the type of guys not only that are playmakers, but guys that fit that way of play that they're doing. You talked about the standard, the standard in which you guys play at, right? and I think about the division, which was the toughest division during my time. It was the AFC North. Right.

The toughest division in today's game. NFC West. It's the NFC West. It's not even close. Do you feel, do you like that challenge every year, or do you feel you had somewhat of a disadvantage because of that? No, I love the challenge because at the end of the day, like, first of all, I don't feel like we should be measuring ourselves up against Seattle or the Rams.

Right. No, you measure up yourself against the 49ers because at the end of the day, we are a franchise of Super Bowl. Five-time Super Bowl chair. Five-time Super Bowl chain. So the moment I stepped into that building, I knew what time it was. Like, you see them five Super Bowl trophies in the trophy case, and this is what the standard is.

So we measure ourselves to that standard, which is winning Super Bowls. And so anytime we don't do that, it unfortunately is a failure. Now, was this past season a complete failure? No, you can't really say that because the things that we dealt with were real and the things that we had to overcome. And a lot of young players coming in, playing meaningful minutes. That's only going to help us to what we're trying to do next season. Do you think the naysayers can now be quiet

and has brought Purdy done enough to keep everybody shush? They'll never be quiet. You know why? Because he was the last pick in the draft. And that's exactly why they'll always be going to have anything with that. They'll never see you as anything but that. It doesn't matter. He went a Super Bowl MVP.

He went multiple MVP in this league. They're always going to say, yeah, but. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. And so in my mind, he's by far the best line. No, my background. I'm talking about the best quarterback in this game.

I like it. because of what he's able to do on that field. Okay. He does. I love the fact that Matt Jones was able to keep you guys afloat while Purdy was doing what he's done. That's right. You bring him back. People don't realize it.

But at that position, if you don't have an adequate backup, your season can jump off a, go off a cliff. Right off the rails. As soon as the starter goes down, you're like, damn. Yep. And you know. I mean, you say everything publicly, oh, yeah, we're going to keep the thing rolling. We got such and such, such, such.

But if you don't really have that guy, it's over. You see, you see, unfortunately. Unfortunately for Denver, you got your got Bow Nix. He breaks his ankle and then they got to rely on Jared Stittam, who I think is a good quarterback, but he hasn't played. He hasn't played in two years. Right. So then you're relying on him in a snowstorm to go win you an NFC or AFC championship.

It's tough, right? Like the backup don't get the amount of reps that a starter does. And the starter is a starter for a reason. For a reason. Yep. All pro, pro bowler, the best middle linebacker in football. In the game. I appreciate out. Yeah, thank you.

I appreciate you. I'm here on behalf of experience, by the way, man. It's help you save time and money. I like it. What's my credit? You check your credit score on the app as well, man. Hey, can you help me since you're a part of the experience? My credit score like a $6.50.

I know you like to save money now. Experience help you say that and time. I got you. Yes, sir. Appreciate you, boy. Thank you, boy. Thank you, man. Appreciate you, bro.

Have a good one, man. Hey, get you some McDonald's. That shit here luck faster, boy. Yeah, there you go. Don't do that, friend. Don't do that. We don't got older, friend. We can't process it like we once could.

Woo! Okay. Who? Oh, Jay, I want to fight, Jay. What a beautiful day. Chat, can y'all hear me? How do I look? Huh?

Can you see me? How's my hair? Okay, come on. Who's that? Tyquine Thornton. Oh. What's up, bro? How you doing, man?

What's up? Are they doing, well? You good? Yes, sir. Smith, last year with the Kansas City Chiefs, one of the fastest players in the NFL. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Tyquan Thornton.

Tye, how you doing, bro? Doing good, man. How are you doing? I'm doing good, man. Man, you got off just such a great start. Superior. And it seemed like once Rashid came back or Hollywood came back, your numbers all of a sudden took a deal. What transpired that you were playing so well

you could easily be thought of as the best receiver? Yeah. Especially for the first four or five games. What transpired to cause your production to kind of taper off? Like you said, man, you know, a couple of guys came back and, you know, those guys that they were, I would say, probably more familiar with or had plans for and something like that. So, you know, I don't really know what really went on behind them closed doors and everything,

but, like, you know, nothing changed for me at all. You know what I'm saying? I still showed up every day and work, you know what I'm saying, coming out there, doing what I do, going out there, making plays and with the opportunities that I got, but, you know. Yeah, but see, the good thing about it is that's the game that they do play. When people go down and you get your opportunity, you made the most of said opportunities once you got in there and looked like the best receiver on that team. So if you're not going back to Kansas City, would you've already set yourself up for 31 other teams?

Yeah, for sure. Understanding that, okay, if we had this young fella based on what he did when everybody else went down with the Chiefs, this is what he can do. This is the value that he adds to our team. So for you, that's part of the game. For sure. That's part of the business. You know, I understand that. You should understand it at this point as well, but you've already set yourself up for the future.

Regardless. Yeah. This is a situation because you did run 427 coming out of college, and it seems like everybody just wants to let you run deep. But I can run other things. I can run it out. I can run a dig. I can run it over.

I can run a... I mean, let me do something other than go deep. Yes, I can get deep. I can run a post. I can run a nine route. But I can also run a speed out. I can also run an end cut. I can also run an over.

Does it get frustrating? Because it seems to me, looking from the outside, and I don't know what they call, but it seems to me that every time I see you in there, you just going deep. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it definitely get frustrating, you know,

because, I mean, everybody knows, like, once 80 to get on the field, he's going. Yeah, he's going vertical. Like, every time he's turning the clip, he's going vertical, you know. And that's why, like, you know, when we're going in training camp and stuff like that, and when we're doing one-on-ones, you see me out there. I'm never going deep. Right. Never in one-on-ones going deep.

It's always, like, I'm trying to work different routes to show you that, like, I can get open and create separation. So, I mean, that's something that I still want to show. Go out there and show that I can run a deep over or deep out, you know what I'm saying, a dagger. You know what I'm saying? Go over there and get open consistently. Yeah. Well, you're going to set yourself up, boy. You're going to set yourself up.

Do you want to go back to the Chiefs? Be careful. I mean, you could be PC, but would you like to go back? I want an opportunity to play. Yeah, so if I go back to the Chiefs and play with Pat and get my fair share of targets, I would love to do that. There we go. I would love to do that.

There we go. You heard that, Mr. Reed, Mr. Beane to me. Come on now. Brett Veet. Ty, appreciate you, man. Thank you all, man. Stay healthy. All right, man.

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Oh, let me get up. Let's do it. I'll get away to fight for smart. Who? No, no, I'm serious. Jake, I'm going to fuck him up. I promise you. Why did you start training?

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I like it. I do it all the time. Okay, good, good, good. Yeah, you guys know me. The only time I don't is, you know, when, like, the red light comes on the fox, well, how are we long used to have a fuck counter in our meetings?

Yeah. And, like, I didn't know what was going on. And I would say, you know, I'm from Jersey. So I talk. So I'd say, oh, motherfucker this. And so boom, boom, boom. And one day in, you know, production meetings, all of a sudden, how he's like, 72.

I'm like, what is he talking about? And I said, fuck's he talking about? 73. And he had a fuck counter. And how many times did I say fuck in going to the meeting? But red light comes on, I don't say shit. I'm good. Right.

Okay, okay. I'm a professional. Help me understand. there's been a lot of talk over the last week we found out last week that coach bellichick didn't get in on the first ballot stupid shit of all time and we also just found that in the last couple of days mr craft also didn't get in on the second ballot that's done too jay what's going what have you heard because i know you've heard from some of the voters what's going on no no i don't but you guys know me yeah i'm not part of that crew right i've never been allowed to play with

the children there like i always did it differently you guys are remember, 93 I came in. Yeah. And I was like, man, I don't have, I started covering the Johns. And I was like, I don't have the same education. I got kicked out of my first college. I went down a box to Westchester University of Pennsylvania. They kicked me out. The day boxing season ended. And so it's like, all right, they're using me for that.

And went back home, started doing Jersey shit. And then moved to New York, to the Pace College, downtown Manhattan, because it was the cheapest place to live. And, but I eventually, like, I was like boxing, bouncing, bartending, doing, I was, I was being a bouncer for a crime family at what used to be Studio 54. And then I think it became it after that, but it was like, it wasn't the greatest career, George, for me.

And, and I actually signed to box. for the Genevese crime family. That was giving me my job. But eventually, thank God, I never showed up to that. It was like, God, like, hit me the lightning bolt, like the day before I was going to my first practice, and the finalist Jim in Jersey City, you're like, God, like, hit me with a lightning boat.

Like, what are you doing? You're not even telling you're Jewish. Like, what are you doing? Thank God I never showed up. And they all got rounded up in an international drug wearing, like six months later, right? Thank you, my best friend, God, Almighty. So I get in there, I cover the Giants.

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Start relationships. And all those old school writers back in the day was And I don't know, like, when did you start? 90. 90, right? Remember how it was back then? They used to use the pen as a weapon. I'm going to start relationships.

I had more in common with you guys and that. And I got destroyed for it. So for 11 years, I could not get a full-time job because every time an editor or a producer or whatever would ask about me, they say, no, no, he's not an objective. He's friends with the players. Right. And I just thought, like, dude, I'm not covering the fucking Middle East.

For sports, right? But I was destroyed. But as a result, because I did it my way, I never got included into the group of, you know, Hall of Fame or AP or nothing. I've never been part of it. And I don't really give a fuck. But you did.

You broke the story about SpyGame. How much? How much? Thank God. Now, now, now, you know. Thank you, my best friend, God, Almighty, and Heaven. But there's a situation where, people, many believe that SpyGate was worse than was let on.

How much does SpyGate play in a role that Coach Belichick not getting in and Mr. Kraft not getting into the ballot? I think, like, people want to use, again, I can't talk for a same because I don't talk to those cats. Right. You're not in the room when they were. Yeah, so like if they want to hold on to that, they can hold. But that's like saying, okay, we're going to keep Lawrence Taylor out because he did blow. Yeah.

Stupidest shit of all time. If you're the greatest, you're the greatest. You know what I mean? That's it. Yeah. Okay? And he won plenty of games without it. So I don't know.

I think also like because he wasn't great with the media, it was their vendetta. And this is not me knowing a personal, just from the outside in. How do you not put him first? Right. Like that means no coach should ever be a first ballot in the history of life. Right. But you know what I get pushed by? where I push back on everybody because they say he was average without

Coach Belichick was average without Tom Brady. Ask me, what was Chuck Knoll? The best of the Brady. What was Chuck Noel without Terry Bradshaw? Yeah. What was Coach Lombardi without Bart Starr? See, they never used that argument because Bart Star, I mean, Coach Lombardi was a first ballot Hall of Fame.

Shannahan without Elway. Chuck Noh was a first ballot hall of famer. So, I mean, and Don Schuiler was a first ballot hall of favor. But look at his quarterbacks. Yeah, Johnny United. Bob Greene and Dan Marino. I mean, what damn, you got the top 100 players of all the time. I always say, when you have a quarterback all of a sudden,

you know how to pick players, your coaches can coach, you look like you're fantastic. When you don't have a quarterback, everyone's a dumb shit. Yeah. Can't pick players. No one knows how to coach. Like, you know what I mean? It really is that much.

You also said that Mike Tomlin was done coaching. Do you believe Mike Tomlin is done coaching in the? the NFL or does he take a year off, get a TV gig and come back? Because all the other coaches that's ever coached in Pittsburgh, Chokin'all, never coached again. Coach Kyle, although many believed it, he may be teased it, he never coached again. Is this a similar situation? I think he's done.

Look, he told me in Ronde-Barber two years ago with the plan once. But also it's like, he's like, hey, this is my plan. You can't say this. Don't show my head. I'm telling you, you're my guy. That's it. So, you know, and that's why I am where I am in life. I've never burned anybody.

Right. I don't go for the scoop. I go for the relationship, right? And our relationship is deep. Like, I coach his son in life now. Right? He's 22, and it's kind of fine his way. But my son, Sammy, who's been lost a lot.

Mike, he was there for him. Yes. So this is like beyond all. this stuff. So it's also great. Like, I'm known as the gatekeeper of MIT. It's pretty good. I'm the only one to talk to you. Right? But that's like, yeah, you know, last year I thought he was going to hang it up.

He decided one more. I thought he was going to be done. So until it happens, it happens. But this year, kind of week, eight, I'm like, I can't have anybody that's going to change your mind? Nope. Yeah. Okay. I said, can I report it

the last week? Nope. He said, but, but, in fair, understand. He said, I don't think it's fair if my players find out from you. Yeah. I think they need to find out from me. Right. Okay. I don't have to have every scoop. I'm good. Yeah. I've done pretty well, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, SpyGate you're talking about? Yeah. So, man, that was my second week in studio.

Right. Box, right? And the last thing, Howie and Terry and Jimmy wanted to, with some new guy taking up air time, right? Yeah. So, there's my second week inside. I used to do games. Remember, I would do, right? I would do sidelines.

Yeah. Right? And then I do my scoopage from there, right? And they're like, all right, listen, guys, Jay is second week. Jay's now going to have, normally it's going to be three segments. We're going to still the same amount of time, but we're going to spread them out. But today we're going to have four. and Howie Long gets up.

And you guys know Howie's a bad motherfucker. I know Howie's a sick. I play with Howard. Yeah, and he's, you have to keep the beast in the box, right? And, like, Howie ended up one of his teammates' careers one time. And the guy tucked him in his jersey with his center. And I think he broke, like, his collarbone, his eye sock. He fucked him up.

So we were asking him, we're like, hey, dude, like, what this guy do? he's like, he tucked in my jersey. And we're like, what else do you do? What do you got to understand? He talked to my jersey. And we're going, so you broke his eye sockets and his collarbone. And he's like, did you guys not understand what I'm saying?

He talked to my jersey. So Terry goes, well, don't you think the crime maybe didn't fit the punishment? Right. And he literally goes, are you guys to understand what I'm saying? He talked to my jersey. Right. Well, to be killed on. Okay, let's move on.

Let's move on. He's a sick bastard, right? So he gets up and he goes, wait a minute, you're telling me this kid, and he points at me, and he goes, this kid has the SpyGate video. And you're giving him extra time. And they go, yes, Scott Ackerson. I'm like, he has the video. He has the actual video.

Yes, this kid has the video. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is terrible. This is horrible. And then Jimmy looks at me. And he goes, you really got the video? I said, yeah. And Bradshaw looks over and he goes, you have the actual video?

I said, yeah. And he goes, he's okay with me. So thank you, my best friend, God Almighty in heaven. And everything changed up there for me. Listen, you've been a huge advocate, very outspoken when it comes to mental health. Yeah. How does it make you feel to see more players be upfront, more boisterous about their mental health issues as opposed to before

when everybody was suppress it and not let it be known because it was frowned upon. Yeah, you know what's so funny, man? Because I have, I have, and you've got to ask yourself, man, how many drugs do do when they can see me? But I have clinical depression, anxiety, ADHD,

bipolar, OCD anxiety, insomnia. Other than that, I'm a model of stability. Right. But for years, I thought I was cursed. And you just hid. And honestly, dude, I would go out when I would have, I would say the beast got out of the box. I would take a bunch of vicarol, I'd go fucking hogwild, I'd start fights,

and I would rather do that and get canceled than anyone know I have depression or anxiety. How backwards is that? So I used to think I was cursed. Now I think God blessed me. with all these. So I could free us all, liberate us. Like, no one's question. Listen, you're fucking crazy?

Yeah. You're fucking crazy? You can't be great and not be crazy. Yes. Right? And as men, we're told you don't say this shit. And look, for me, training all these players in MMA. My whole thing is like, if you were hurting tired, you will never, ever, ever, ever know.

We don't show that shit, right? And then I realized, man, I'm the problem. Right? I'm permeate what her dad's taught us. Our uncle's taught us. So I'm like, you need that in football and fighting. Okay? You'll never know. We'll be relentless. And as you think we're getting tired, fuck, I am not.

You'll never know. But now, guys, off that field, outside of that cage. Yes. Now I want a new one breaking the ones that will we open up. And my relationships have never been better. Like they've turned this right here, this bracelet right here. Yeah. my most prize possession.

Michael Phelps gave it to me where with the promise basically he wouldn't kill himself. Right? Right. That's a fucking brotherhood. Right? Like this is the baddest of the bad right? And that's it's turned friendships in their

brotherhoods and his sisterhoods and it's really, I feel like my life's beginning. I don't have to be the glazed, that character that I create. Right. Right. You know what I mean? And now I get to be real and help people and build people up and learn from them and that. Yeah, and it got me with my beautiful wife over there.

I was able to do, like, get the help I needed and work on things. And we were together for a little bit. And I was up to my old tricks and I sabotaged shit because I didn't feel I was worthy to being loved. So I fucked it all up. She split up with me. I flew back to Arizona. You'll see a guy here today named Mark Kerr.

Yeah. who's the smashing machine. Yeah. I moved back to Arizona to fight with him and Ryan Bader and all my old fight team, Aaron Simpson. Because for me, love was getting punched in the face. And getting abused. Right.

And now, like, I went and did all this work, and now we got back together and... Got bad. I never knew I was able to... Love and receive love. Yeah, I never felt worth it. you. Yeah.

So, like, so it, so it, it motivated me to do all these great things in the outside because I couldn't feel love from the inside because I wasn't fucking worthy of. Yeah, yeah. That's a piece of shit. Yeah. Appreciate it. Jake Laser. Jay.

Hey. NFL insider for Fox. But real quick, real quick. I'm here for Kelbury, okay? See, Kelbury. So it's an ADHD drug dentitate. Yeah. It's a non-stimulant.

So I used, I got diagnosed with ADHD when I was in 1989. And they put me on stimulants. When you have depression, the stimulants are bad, right? And this is my journey, but you know, you get those peaks in those valleys. Yes. Valleys are bad. So I found something called Kelby, which is a non-stimulant. I take it at night.

And when I got 19 roommates in my head talking all once, now I have two. Yeah. It's really helped me out. Right. So it's called Kelby. So I just want people to know that. It's really helped me out a lot. All right.

Appreciate you, bro. Love you guys, man. Thank you. Have me on more, man. I'm ready. I'm ready. No, you got to train me out of all. Don't forget.

Okay. Okay. You really want to fight James Harrison? I mean, I'm going to beat his ass. What do you talk about really want to? We're good. Jay. We're talking about it.

We have a little. We're good. We're good. Jake lazy. Come on. Come on. I love you, baby. Appreciate it.

All right, Jay. Appreciate you, man. Thank you, man. All right. Next guest coming to the stage is the Houston Texans quarterback. He's a 2025 pro bowler in his last season. He had four interceptions, 17 PDU, a two

time national champ and guess what he had an opportunity to play against both the seahawks and the Patriots here he is kamari lasander how you do it bro put your mic up marr yes yep camar you played against both teams um seahawks and the Patriots you got to put some money that matters to you who you take it in the game seahawks you take it to seahawks yes sir what is it about the seahawks That left the impression that, you know what, I understand both teams are more than worthy of being here. Both teams have earned and deserve the right to be here. What is it about the Seahawks that extends you

that makes you think that they have the edge in this ball game? They're just more dangerous. You know, the Patriots, they're good, but the Seahawks are very dangerous. Like, at every level on both sides of the ball, like there's a play that's waiting to be made. They can run off obviously with K-9 running the football. J-S-N. I mean, the way he, the effortless,

in which he runs. He's like he's just floating. He gives you no tails on when he's going to break in or break out or he's going to keep straight ahead. What is it that you like about his game? Because you covered a lot of receivers. You get the ones, you get the twos,

and you've seen a lot of receivers over 18 weeks, over 19, excuse me, 20 weeks of the season. What is it about JSN that makes him so special and so unique? He's very fluid, I would say. You know what I'm saying? Like you just said, like he doesn't give me any tails.

And I can see a lot of tails, but he doesn't give him often, and I think that's what kind of just separates his game. He's able to make every catch and run every route, and he's able to go different places within the offense, and they move them around a lot, and he's able to make the place. Hey, listen, I've talked about you tremendously. Damn there every week.

I'm sure you've heard some of the things I've said about you because I love exceptional DB play. Appreciate it. Your teammates, they call you crazy. Your teammates, they call you a lunatic because of your style of play, loving to play man to man. does it surprise receivers with your style of play

and have you had any difficulties with anybody that just stands out to you from the receiver position? Never had no difficulties. I feel like every time I step on the field, it's either good bump or I did something wrong. Every time I lose a rap, I feel like I did something wrong. I don't feel like people just go out there and beat me.

I feel like there's something that I either step wrong, I wasn't locked in. That's just how I feel like that's how I agree with myself. I feel like I'm here to step with anybody, You know what I'm saying? So I don't think that it's crazy. I just think that I just think different. Like I'm just wired differently.

Like I got everything. I'm here out the mud, you know what I'm saying? So I just feel like whenever I go out somewhere, I'm put my best foot, I'm putting my best foot down every time. Yeah. And it showed from a rookie last year. It showed. Appreciate it.

I'm, um, tell him how many times I talked about it is their style of play. Yeah. And we always talk about Stingley, Stingley. Hold on now. Yeah. You're all tripping. Hold on now. We got somebody just as good that brings just as much value at the position

at the third level on the other side. And I appreciate your work. Thank you. But you understand, because you have Stingling on the other side, they're going to try you. Oh, yeah, and I love it. Steve, look, I tell Sting all the time. I was just talking to a mess and I'm like, Sting, bro.

I fuck with you, darling. You know what I'm saying? Like, you want to one, and that helps me be one-on-one because they're not going to. It's you. They think I'm sweet. They think you're the weak. I'm sweet.

You know what I'm saying? On the other side, let's go to the other side. Try it. Look here, when you're trying to go into someone, How, you touch, oh, that's locked. Yeah. That was locked. Oh, let me go.

Let me step on his desk. Yeah. Because you on the other side and I'm like, hold on. But when you look at your defense, you guys are a physical defense. At every level, you got, it's your Algeria and you got Tito Toto and the DB's Petrie. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Bro, y'all are a physical defense.

Yes. What is your mentality? When Dimeco got there, what was your guys' mentality? It's like, okay, let's lock in because. Looking at you guys in OTAs and looking at you guys in training camps, we have an opportunity to be special. Yeah, I'm not going to lie, from the moment I got drafted here, I was like, dang, this is a good defense.

Last year, we kind of jailed together. This year, we already had a year up under our belt. I mean, like you said, you look all three levels on the back, and you got CB, me, Petrich, Steen, then you got Hendall, you got Hendall, you got Hendall, you got Indeal, come on, you ain't even say nothing about Will and DeNeil. DeNeil said nothing about Will, Oh, that's not. Y'all got rankings. Y'allel Jr.

Rios. Tim, like, we got a lot of people, and they, like, we're just ticking time bombs. There's a play waiting to be made every single time we step on the field. So it's just fun going out there. Like, I knew as soon as we stepped on the field this year for OTAs, I'm like, oh, yeah, we're going to be one of them once. How has D'Amico Ryan's help you as a player evolve and get better this early in your career, you think? He's helped me a lot. He just pushes me.

Like, I feel like I respect coach a lot because he will, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, drafted me, obviously. So I feel like there's a level of belief that he had of me from the jump. And he just continued to push me. Like, he just wants me to be better. He wants me like this year. He was like, you had a good year, but I need you to go ahead and go to another level. Yeah, so it's just like,

he said that last, he's like, okay, you did it. You had a good year. Now let's go to this level. So I just feel like the more that you push me, like the more you put on my plate, I'm ready to eat. You know what I'm saying? Put your GM hat on. Okay. You're the GM in the Houston, Texas. What is it that you guys need to do to get over the hump? To me, from now,

outside looking in defensively, they don't get no better than that. What do you think y'all guys need to do to get over the hump so you can be in a situation like the Seahawks and the Patriots are? I'm trying to set me up. Oh, no, no, no, you can answer a PC. That's all. That's why I said put the GM hat on. GM, I think what we need to do, we got everything.

We have everybody. We just, I think, I think, depth, because, you know, injuries happen. Absolutely. You know, injuries derail a lot of teams. So I feel like depth will be, you can never have too much depth. And I just feel like he's got to make the plays. Yeah. Because you saw it when CJ went down, your quarterback kept you afloat.

Of course. Because a lot of times we just saw it, and Fred was on here, and we saw with the Broncos, their quarterback goes down, and you need your backup to come in in one game. Yeah. And that's the difference because the margin of the NFL of winning and losing is so small. because everybody at that level at one point in time was all state, all America, all world, all this, all that. So it's not like it's Georgia playing TCU.

It ain't one of those situations. You know, when I first got to the league, a guy told me he said, Shannon, every guy that's in the NFL can make every other guy in the NFL look foolish. If you just look at somebody talking about where they were drafted in the seventh round, or they this or they that, The best, the worst receiver on a given day

can make the best DB look foolish. Of course, and y'all know how it is. Like, the margin for error is so small, like you said, and it's like, that's what the ball is down to making the plays, but it takes so much to be able to make the play. You've got to be in the right position. You've got to be able to do a lot of stuff. And it's just, we just got to lock in the details, man.

Man, unbelievable season, man. Best of luck, great up to age. Appreciate y'all. Don't get satisfied. Oh, no. Don't get satisfied. Yes, sir. Continue to eat.

I want some of that work too, bro. Look, I ain't running. Hey, I want some of that work. Look, look, I've been waiting to get up with you for a long time. Oh, come on, you show? Look, back in the day. Uh-huh, talk to me. They used to call, like, around the way, they used to be like, you look like a little Ocho.

What? Yeah, they used to say that. Yeah, they used to say that. Well, you know, these feet still work just fine. They do? Where do you cleats at? Huh? Where you cleats at.

They in the trunk. Hey, mine in the trunk, too. Appreciate you, bro. Congratulations. Appreciate your, right. Stay healthy, keep, stay hungry. Yes, sir. Yeah, my.

Appreciate, brother. You know, I'm gonna. Yeah, okay. My mom, my mom, but they do twins? Right. Right? Okay. You go to beach.

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This big big news. Okay. Good. Good. It's good, you straight. You look like, that's you. Huh? That's you.

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My guy. Here you're your number 21 from the Cleveland Browns, Denzel Ward. Denzel, how you doing, bro? I'm good, man. Appreciate being here, man. Thanks for having me. the unbelievable season, but at some point in time, you're going to get tired of having these unbelievable seasons individually and wanting to have an unbelievable season team-wise.

Obviously, new coach coming in, you're probably going to have a new D.C. Oh, don't tell me that. Well, considering some of the things that Todd said about, yeah, it ain't looking good. I'm just saying from the outside, it ain't looking good. What do you guys need to do to make sure Miles is going to win defensive player of the year unanimously? You are

a top, a top two, three corner. So the individual success that you've enjoyed and that Miles have enjoyed, but at some point in time, you play a team sport. This ain't golf, this ain't tennis. And so the individuality is fine and good. And we'll talk about that once come time to Hall of Fame. But right now, I want to have some team success.

I'm tired of getting my eyes beat in and we lose it. But man, hell of a game. in a hell of a game. Half of the game. Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing. That's probably why the decisions were made, how they were made with bringing Tom Munkin in,

an offensive-minded coach. And we struggled to be real, we struggled on offense. Correct. We struggled on offense and wasn't able to put points on the board and, you know, wasn't playing that complimentary football. So once we could do that, and hopefully Coach Munk can come in and change the offensive organization around,

I think we go do well. We've got to continue to stay up there for the defense and make plays. and be that defensive player of the year and top corner in the league, and we're going to make it happen. Listen, defensively, y'all are going to be fine. It doesn't matter. Offensively, we know it needs work.

There's some things, there's some pieces that are missing to that puzzle. Obviously, the first thing that needs to be situated, you need to figure out who's going to be quarterback number one, and then build from there. And they go around that. Brother Fanning, what's Brother Fanning's first name? Harold. Boy, he is the real deal.

That's one piece. Now, continue to add pieces to the puzzle. So we're offensively... I need some receivers. I ain't going to hold you. What? They need some receivers. Okay.

Why I'm going to let that go. I'm going to let you have to. He don't hear that every day. Listen, defensively, you can have the goddamn poke coach in the defense. Y'all going to be right. Oprah can come coach the goddamn defense. Y'all going to be okay based on the personnel that you do have. If you put your GM cap on, hypothetically speaking,

what changes would you make to Cleveland Brown so you guys could have some success and get over the hump and not only compete in the AFC North in that division, but in the NFL in general in the whole? I think really everything you just said, like we got to solidify that quarterback position, see who that number one guys go be. I know we got to have some guys coming back competing. So once we solidify that, but, and we go need receivers. You know, I'm going heavy off.

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Do we mention it's free? search two guys five rings and listen now QEK can go back and get him but like when you coming into the season what are you focusing on so you know obviously you know I used to like okay number one goal was

the state health then I was like okay if I can get X Y and Z catch his yard make a pro bowl be an all pro team get to the Super Bowl, win the division things like that so when Denzel Ward starts putting down his top ten things that he wants to accomplish in an upcoming season of 2020

to 2020, season. What's on your board? Yeah, I think, like, similar you said, like going into the scene, like, all right, I'm trying to stay healthy. We're just getting back to the playing fast football, reacting and everything, trying to stay healthy.

But then, all right, now I'm trying to make plays, and, you know, I got to be the best. They expect me to be the number one corner out here. Yes. And lock boys down, like my side of the field down. That's what I got to do. So that's all my goal every game. They'll give them no catches, make plays,

and be that guy out there on the field. You like traveling? I will. I like doing whatever and help the team win. But honestly, I like being on one side, locking that side of the field down. You could double up everything on the other side and let me do what I do on this side. You like playing on the, you like playing on the offensive right side or the offensive left side? Left.

Left? Yeah. That's why I like the line up, too. That's what I like. I want to see people like you. Me? Yeah. Now you don't want to see me.

I want to see you. So you like covering the ex-receiver or the Z? Yeah, it don't matter. It really don't matter. I like that. Because them, them Z. Now, the disease, you know, the disease were tough. I mean, Ocho like being on the ball.

Because a lot of guys like being off the ball because that gives me a little bit more separation. That's real. Because now if you step and I'm off the ball, okay, I'm gone. Yeah. You know, I've talked to multiple receivers. Damn, near every NFL receiver in the league. And I always ask them, who gives you the most difficulty?

Who gives you one of your best challenges? And the same two names come up. Denzel awards and Pat Sertain. From a technical standpoint, I say it all, time on every show, any platform, even when I see you in person. I've never seen anything like that. As smooth, as patient. My favorite rep from you.

Yes, I'm for the glaze right now. I don't care what y'all say is the one against my brother T. Higgins, where you're off a little back, you shadowing, and he gets a step on you. You turn, you relax, you any patient, and you just play the hands, he ended up picking the ball. Yeah. I'm like, what? I ain't, man, listen, man.

Sometimes you have to play through the receipt. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Oh, yeah. But I think that's the biggest thing. So because a lot of times small corners are great with small receivers, shifty guys, and then they struggle with big guys. Do you find yourself struggling?

So what do you like? Because big guys normally have a problem like Revis. A guy like Revis, a big receiver, he was going to eat him up. Right. Because he's so patient and he's stronger. He's stronger than he's thinking like, man, I'll fit to run through him. And next thing, you're like, got there. Let me go.

Yeah, that's nice. I don't really feel I'm a small corner, though. I've got a little good size to me. But for me, I think it just depends on the personnel, like, who the player is. It's not like I don't like going against big receivers or little receivers, but who that guy, are they able to use their body type? So, like, a George picking, like, he has a taller receiver. Like, he's good at, okay.

He's going to play through contact. Yeah, he's going to play through contact. So that might be a little tougher matchup. But fast guys, Tyreek Hill or something like that. Like, I like going against guys like that, too. but it's really just whatever they're good at, are they able to do that well better than what I can do. It's a funny thing I like about them too.

And I've been studying a game for a long time because you know how I love and feel about DB play. I've seen you change your game plan. I've seen you change your style of play based on the receiver that's in front of you. Yeah, definitely. I've seen it. So I understand what you're going through

and what you're thinking because it's all the chess match at that point based on the skill set that's in front of you. Exactly. Yeah, that's how I feel like, If you just stand near and if you know I'm doing the same thing every single time, okay, now you're making a plan. Okay, I know he's about a line up and do this. So I'm going to, boom, I'm going to give him this release in here.

I know he's going to go here. So that's why I like to kind of play the game. I'm like, okay, I'm going to switch it up a little bit. That's how it seemed like we play Pittsburgh. Like they challenged me like the last three plays of the game. So I like changed up. I ain't played the same technique on all the plays. I changed it up.

I might jump jam them or I might get off. And so just switching it up and just playing a chess game. I'm just trying to figure that out. They're going to take their third best receiver and try you on fourth and go. Did that make any sense to you? I didn't understand it because, I mean, they didn't try me all the game. But I know, like, at some point in the game, you got to come to me. You got to come and just see what you got.

But, yeah, I didn't understand three plays in the row why they did. JSC. You watched JSA. I don't know if you had the opportunity to cover JSCN. But when you watch him on film and you watch what he does, and how he's just like, ain't no wasted motion. There's no chalk to his game.

The out looks like the end. The end looks like the goal. The goal looks like the seven. I mean, everything is like he's falling off the table. And nothing, nothing is wasted. When you watch him, is that what makes him so special? What makes him so unique? Yeah, just like that, I agree with that.

That makes it tough. When he's making his routes look the same every single time, and he's running straight and, oh, he could break it, break it in or running straight, he can break it out. So it's like, okay, you know, you got to stay true, play a true. But he is smooth route runner, great hands, great routes, and he's making everything look the same. Yeah.

Who you? I'm asking you to put some money that means something to you. Who you got, the Patriots or the Seahawks? Yeah, I got a lot of respect Coach Brable and what he is able to do for the Patriots in one year, but I got Seattle. You got Seattle? Because of the defense, huh? You give me his because of the defense?

I got it because of Jackson, Smith. is I got it because of both. They both been doing well. I got it for both. Okay. Because they can run the football with K-9. Sam Donald has been playing unbelievable. He just has to one more game.

He's done great in the postseason. He hasn't turned the ball over. You know you turn the ball over and come postseason. You're going home. You look at the teams that turned the ball over in the postseason. All I'm going home. Everybody went home. You look at the Texans.

You look at the Broncos. You look at the, if you turn the football over, you are going home. That's what we look at every year. What's the turnover margin? If you turn the ball over, intercept the ball, okay, that team more likely to win. You know, you take care of the ball. You're more likely to win, so.

Yeah. Oh, matter of fact, man, you've seen Miles Garrett? Yeah. Where are you at? I don't know. He promised me that sack jersey. That 23, soon as he got that sack, and he told me he was going to give me that jersey. He sent him to the Hall of Fame.

So you know what they got to do to him. You can go just take it out the little case. Go to the Hall of Fame. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He got to see me. Oh, yeah, okay. I don't know how that's good that's going to go. You want me to tell you how he's going to go?

Let me hear. I'm from the whoopee. What kind of, what do you say? Like, Madden? No, I'm talking about with D's. I don't know, man. He promised me the jersey, D. Y'all are different weight classes.

No, I don't, wait classes don't matter with me. It's all about skill. Oh, okay. Damn. But here's the thing. You want some one-on-one? You want some one-on-one? With who?

Look, he had like he didn't hear it, though. One-on-on-on-what? Yeah. He's wrong on the field? Yeah, like he ain't here. Oh, he don't want none of this. Hey, um, you know, let me tell you time. I don't study them too much.

Yeah, so you know it. I know every move. He play head up, he play outside. It don't matter what he do. I got something for him. So you didn't go quick jam you? Quick-jam who? He's going to post or what?

He's going to post. Hey, but he's stabbed. I'm going to put up under that thing. See, look, I've seen you have the thing where brought all the receivers out. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to show up and give boys some one-on-ones. Like, I'm trying to come. We're doing it this year?

Yeah. You come out and give us a look? Let me. I give y'all look. Okay. You're nervous? I'm good. I just want to give a look.

Okay. All right. I like that. You know, I wear my keys with I'm out there, too. That's cool. I won't expect nothing less. All right. Man, but you don't get no credit for beating the old man.

Who old? You don't get up for old man. That's what you're going to get no credit for that deal. He didn't up everybody in the league now, so I mean. Well, he definitely, well, you keep doing that. Just keep doing that, man. Did Zell, man. Congratulations on the great season.

Continue success. Stay healthy. And, man, hopefully, man, we see you guys in the playoffs real soon, man. I hope so, man. Because all that, it's, look, I know the money good. I know the Agilation being an all-pro and a pro-bo player, but you want some team success. That's what you play for. Absolutely.

What you play for. No doubt. Well, congratulations, man. Stay healthy. We'll see you down the road. Sir, appreciate you. Appreciate you. Thank you.

Oh, wow. All right. All right. Wow. Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate you. All right. Here we go, Ocho.

We got breaking news. The Dallas Mavericks are trading 10-time NBA All-Star Anthony Davis, Jayden Hardy, DeAngelo, DeAngelo, and Dante Exam, to the Washington Wilders for Chris Middleton, A.J. Johnson, Malik Braman,

and Marvin Bagley, the third. Two first-round picks, three second round of sorts of safe. So the Mavericks are trading, Anthony Davis, Jayden Harden, DeAngelo Russell, and Deontay Exum, for Chris Middleton, A.J. Johnson, Malachi, okay, excuse me, Malachi Brandham, and Marvin Backley, the third, two first rounders and three second rounders. Hey, but that's nothing. The real news hasn't even broke yet. The real news is what I've been telling y'all over and over. I'm sure they're just finishing up the logistics on that trade. Wait until you see what happens with my brother Janice and John.

The breaking news also, the 76s are trading Jared McCain to the Oklahoma City Thunder for the 2026 for the 2026 Rocket's first round pick and three second round picks. Again, the 76s are trading Jared McCain to the Oklahoma City Thunder for a first round pick and three second round picks. So that thing is that tomorrow is the trade deadline for the NBA. And so we're going to see a lot of trades happening. We're going to see things starting to pick up. But the big news of the day, the Dallas Mavericks are trading 10-time NBA All-Star Anthony Davis, Jayden Hardy, DeAngelo, and DeAndte Exel to Washington Wizards, Chris Middleton, A.J. Johnson, Malachi, Brannam, and Marvin Bagley, the third for two first rounders and three second round.

Damn. A.D. was there barely a year. Well, Uncle, he's there barely a year. but the one thing that has haunted him his whole career and have been his Achilles heel is injury. Yes. The best ability is availability, and he hasn't been that. You know what?

This is not going to be a bad thing. Can you imagine the pick and roll with Trey Young and Anthony Davis? You got the inside, outside, Trey was good. Because just think how Trey was with, what's the guy's name? He's at the Rockets now. What's the center? What's the center for, I forget his name, the center for the Houston Rockets that played with Atlanta.

I forgot what I mean. Clint Capella. Oh, Clint. So Clint Capella can't, don't have touch to be able to shoot the ball like Anthony Davis. Yes. Anthony Davis can pick and pop. He can pick and roll. He's a tremendous defender at the rim.

You know, look, I understand he might not be happy. They moved, they did, the Maverick. did what they did. They're not going to because at the end of the day, think about what you did. You just gave up, you gave up Luca Donchich

for Chris Middleton, AJ Johnson, Malacabranham, Marvin Baggling the third and two first riders in three second round pick. The business is the business. If he does it,

if he's not hurt, he's not going nowhere. They can't count on him, huh? They can't. Damn. I love him too. I love him.

I love him. Oh, he's special. He's tremendous talent. Oh, yeah, absolutely. You didn't lie. His injury history speaks for itself. His injury history, Anthony Davis, especially, he's out now. He's out now.

I mean, he got there, and he had an outstanding game, I think, his first game with the Mavis. He had 26 and 12, 26 and 13, and he gets hurt. He missed that game, and then he's out for the next three, four weeks. That's been Anthony, that's been Anthony Davis's injury history since he's been in the lead. He was injured at the Pelican. He's injured with L.A. He did stay healthy long enough when they went to win that championship in 2020. But, you know, the thing happened is that they got four months off.

So we don't know what could have happened. I'm glad that it didn't happen. Right. But you're like, oh, Joe, I just hate that, you know, he's going to, his, he, we've, because we see what he can do. Yes. Got to give you 25 and 12. He can block two to three shots a night. He can defend.

He's exceptional. He can shoot the three. Sometimes I thought I thought he fell in love with the three too much. Much, yeah. But it's just the injuries, though, show. Just the injuries. But look, I like this for the Wizards. Yes.

I love this for the Wizards. You mean to tell me Anthony Davis and Trey Young? Can you imagine? Well, hold on. You got them coming out to East? No, no, no, no. Okay. Hell no.

They ain't coming out of the East. They might be going. He's going to Japan or something to Far East. They ain't coming down to the East of the East of Congress. hell, no. They say nothing like that. But, no, but I mean, you have to, you have to like Anthony Davis and and trade young together.

It gives the fans something to be excited for. It gives the fans something to want to come to the games for it. What's up, fellas? What are they doing, Twain? What are? What are you doing, man? Congratulations.

Thank you, brother. Can you what's up, boy? Joining us, he played with the 49ers from 2017 to 2020. Patriots from 2021 to 2024. He's back with the 49ers. 37 catches, 551 yards. Kendrick, born.

How you doing, bro? What I'm talking? What I'm doing? What are you doing? Hey, well, you look happy. You look excited. You look joyous. Talk to me.

God is good, man, I'm saying. God is good, life good, family good, health good, man. Got a good perspective about life, man. I'm not living, man. What got you feeling like this? It's just I'm not supposed to be here. Undrafted, you know what I'm saying? Come on.

Talk your talk. Get a little contract. Take your time. I got released this year, but adversity helped you grow. Yes, sir. How you look at it. I'm on that way, man, building my own brand, building stuff that I want to, you know what I'm saying? But you're using football as a platform.

Yeah. And so I got something to look forward to. I'm inspired by y'all, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you know what's all right? It's inspiring, bro, after the game. How do you do that, though? Because one of the things you just said, you got released.

Uh-huh. You know what that does to you? Mentally. Mentally, that can crush you. Come on. Most people are not able to come back from something like that happening. What do you account or would you attest you be? being able to overcome that and still go forward.

It's never too high, never too low. Yes, so you know what I'm saying? You're going to be at the bottom sometimes. You're going to be at the peak. Come on now. How do I stay level, bro, when I'm down up. Am I, am I who I say I am when I'm up or down? And that mentality, bro, has got me through.

So even when I'm losing, bro, I'm always happy smiling because I know life good, life big, life bigger than just football. You know what I'm saying that we look at. So that perspective has helped me get this far, man. I like it. Yes, sir. There was the course that you really didn't want to leave New England. But hey, they wanted to move in a different direction,

and you go back to the 49ers where it originally started. What was your expectations when you got back to the 49ers, considering, now they let Debo go, Brandon Ayuk's situation with what it was. But really, they didn't like they had a whole lot of number one receivers. So you had Pierceall, you had Juan Jennings. They re-signed DeMarcus Robinson. So what was your expectations when you went back to the 49ers?

What were you expecting from Kendrick Bowman? That's a great question, man. And it's just God's story, too. Like him bringing me home, like you're saying, Of course I want to play in the Super Bowl. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'd be lying if I did. Like, I want to play.

But God's story different. So going back home, connecting with Mac Jones, being connected to the Patriots in that space, and then us ball in our opportunity. I didn't know what to expect, but having that right perspective, you know what I'm saying? Thinking with the Glav hat's full. Not like, well, I ain't going to go out there and play. They got this and that. So just having my mind in the right space, man, it allowed me to maximize my opportunity.

And I'm right here right now. Even on, like, social media, the story was great. So monetizing that story. story being home, just helped me be around out right now. What's the difference, culturally, being that you've been to both places. You've been over there with the Patriots, been over there with the 49ers, from a cultural difference. Yeah. Do they differ much being that the both, both entities always have always had success?

Nah, dog, the Patriots different. Yeah. They're doing that is different. Boy, you go over there? Yeah. No, it's serious, bro. So you're more militant, more blue collar, and then Shanahan. It's football.

It's not all the time. Check your Leave your ego at home Because if you check your ego at the door You might, we get a break, you'll go get it Leave your ego at home Bring your ass here to work We work, it's football

It's football, it's football It's not you Even where it's at Like being in Foxborough It's just tough And anything about San Fran It's more like California It's just that kind of vibe

When you in Cali you go You got to stay glasses Look at, I don't know how y'all do it But you know You got the pad you ain't in in pads, you in shorts, everything is really speed and tempo. You put the pads on, you get pads nine on seven, you do the team stuff on Thursday, then you take the pads off for half the year, and then you're out of the pads,

and then you're good, you know, Shaddened and they treat you, what you need on the road, you get the smoothies, and you want to watch a fight on the road. I mean, look, I know, Kyle, Kyle was a little kid when I was playing for his dad. Crazy. I know what that system is like, but I also know people that have played with the and I know what that system is like. It's different. And I love Kyle.

He got the ways of doing things. He knows how to get the superstars over there. Some guys ain't trying to be blue color and work hard, but everybody operate different. So if you go to New England, anybody, get your mind right. And if you go to San Fran, get your mind right. But it's going to be a different kind of operation. This is what I tell people. I say it's easier to get drafted into New England as opposed to being drafted somewhere

if they're going to New England. That is facts. Because it's easier to like go tough and get easier. It's harder to be easier and get tough. Because you're like, hold on, bro, this is. Because we heard Drake Greenlow. You heard what he said? How he grew up in San Francisco, came from San Francisco.

All he knew was Kyle, that West Coast system. And then you get Sean Payton, who's old school. Real old school. Old school. They thudding it up. They thudded up. They practices alone. Yeah.

Meetings alone. And that's a great point. So like, for my story, going from, San Frant tube, the Patriots was that. I experienced. I had to adjust. And it was like a shock, a whirlwind. And I'm like, all right, bro, I need to adapt. How do I adapt?

So I learned a lot, which was powerful. But if you don't get your mind right, you're going to fold. In my career, I ain't got a rough a little bit. I came back. You got Coach Belichick. You got Coach Belichick. I'm telling you.

His father was in, it was militaristic. Everything is structured. Everything is time. You're going to be on time. It ain't no late. It ain't no excuses. We are a no excuse zone. Chad, no.

Listen, you don't have to hear me. Hey, first, firsthand. And I'm coming from Cincinnati. So I'm not really coming from a background of success. I'm not really coming from a background of winning all the time. That one thing my little black ass did is that work. So that was the one thing. I didn't have to adapt to that.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wherever I'm at, you know what you're going to get. That's far. But that militant atmosphere, that when you go to practice, KB, and you got to have on every single pad. Like, come on. Baby, I'm not there with my hip pads in. I didn't have my hip, I ain't want my hip

pads and butt pads since I was an optimist. It's that serious, man. What are we talking about, Bill? My gosh, bro. How he's not first ballot, though? Oh, man. It don't make sense, though. I want to, yeah, I don't know.

We've had a couple of people on there trying to ask. How much do you think Spygate played a role in that? That's what I'm saying. And it's funny because that's not my era and my time. So my experience with Bill and, like, what he taught me, I'm like, no, he first ballot. I remember I ran, he did a tackling drill. It's called Sideline Skinny.

Yes, sir. Where he set up defenders. You run down the sideline. You do certain things. You make one defender stop his feet, make the other defender, and then you throw a stiff from at the end. Man, I had a game Tennessee Titans. I was on the sideline.

Man, the drill came to life, man. Really? I'm not even kidding, dog. And I said, this boy, a guru. Yeah. And I knew how to run with the football, but the repetition of that, at first I'm like, man, I hate this drill. But then I won the game for us?

Yes. Well, I told you, boy. Yeah. I like, you didn't tell me, dog, so I think he, like, that's different to me in a sense. But you got an opportunity to see it, and I just want to tell people, Ocho said the same thing. If you get him out of a situation where it's just not football, he does have a kind of layback personality.

He will joke. But you've got to get him a way where it wins and losses don't matter. Because if it wins and losses matter, you're going to get coach the story. He's dark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to get what you get. Don't talk to him, though. So I love that about.

him, you know what I'm saying? He's the ultimate competitor, ultimate, like, coach of the game, presenting it looks, different things. So he helped me a lot of my career. But he's big in situations, Ardenney. Because he's a situational guy because everything, like, this is going to come up at some point in time, and I want to prepare you. He is not a believer that having you dive and put the football out to go cross the goal line. You better not take you put that ball out. It ain't, but boy, my boy was trolling me about fumbling. Why didn't come back in the game? What you said, like trying to die for him?

Are you on play? Just fumbling? Oh, he don't play. But what you're saying, he cared that much. You can't get him a possession, turn over. It's all situational to him. So that messes with his mind, get him out the game. Yeah.

I don't care. I don't care of you the starter. If you, if it's you, you might have went back in the game. I'm like, I'm tier two. You ain't go back in. I'm tear two. Kidger's hard. Thank you, kidd him.

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