Club Shay Shay - Nightcap NBA Playoff Recap - Part 2: Coach Pop steps down as Spurs coach + Knick Advance

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the NBA Playoffs, including Gregg Popovich stepping down as San Antonio Spurs head coach, Jalen Brunson and the New York Knicks eliminating the Detroit Pistons, and much more!01:41 - Dame was being shopped around before the injury04:50 - Knicks win the series18:00 - Pop steps out of coaching(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Dame was apparently being shot shot before the injury. According to Sam Amick, the relationship between Yannis and Dane is strong, as is the respect level, but the imperfection of their on-court pairing remained in their second season together, and with the group collectively limitations growing more evident by the month, a conversation was looming about whether Lillard and the Bugs might be better off parting ways They part ways not cuz they nobody training for a guy that's not gonna be able to play until 20 26 27 So you stuck with him and he not gonna be able to help you. So now what do you do Q?

That's interesting. They just have Like that's a little interesting tidbit to come out right now Like the timing of it is funny to me, but I mean, I don't know. Maybe they trying to move Dame Steel this summer. Like you, strange things to happen, man. I don't know. Man, I ain't trading, but how you gonna give me a car?

How you gonna try to sell me a car with no mode in it? Because you seen the first one they tried to come out and already say, like it wasn't like a crazy tear or whatever, it was like, you know, the I guess the minimum amount of damage it could be or whatever. So I don't know, man. I don't know, it's gonna be interesting.

That middle like, like I say, unless Yannis come in and say something, it's gonna be real interesting to see what goes on over there because I know the last thing they gonna do, they not coming there offering no trade for Yannis. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. But see, that was the most shocking thing

about the Luka trade. Luka didn't request to be traded. If we go back and study history, guys that have been moved, they wanted to be moved. Kareem wanted to be moved. Shaq wanted his money. Jerry B didn't want to give him his money. He was starting to age and he said no, I'm gonna move you So when you look at it, Luca is 25. He had just turned about to turn 26 He was up in the league eight years. He was a five-time first team all-nba selection and he got moved

years he was a five-time first team all NBA selection and he got moved so normally guys don't move guys like that you're not moving Yannis unless he says come move me you don't move KD unless KD says move me you don't move with LeBron LeBron has never never asked to be traded LeBron has always played out of his contract played his contract out and then he's left but when you get guys like that, Celtics aren't trading Jason Tatum unless Jason Tatum says I wanna be trading. You see Donovan Mitchell?

Utah moved him. Why? Because he said he wanted to go. Yeah. It's really that simple. Yeah. Nightcap family, let's give it up for Q. Thank him for joining us.

Go follow him at Q Rich and his podcast at Knucklehead podcast. Q, man, thank you for your time. Thanks for joining us to break down these games and talk all things basketball. Congratulations on the podcast. Keep growing. Keep doing your thing. Thank you, bro. All right. Back with us. I'll park you out of here.

I got to say one thing to you. Michael Jeffrey Jordan is the GOAT. I'm not gonna debate it, I'm not gonna argue it. Okay. What it is. Jalen Bronson, game went over the Pistons. What a shot, what a moment. The Knicks win the series.

Rob, you're one of the great clutch shot shooters. Let me ask you this. I think for our audience, they wanna know. In that moment, are you thinking like, man, if I make this shot, I'm a hero, if I miss it, or you just going through the, it's the same, whether the moment is there or not, it's just like if it was the first quarter,

the second quarter, third quarter, what goes through your head when you're taking a shot that could potentially win you the game or lose you the game? You don't think about anything, man, because it's just like when you're in a gym, you're taking all these shots to prepare for this moment. You put the reps in and that's what you got to do. That's why you see guys, you know, you take Kobe for instance, he's been in the gym 24

7, so everything came easy for him. And if you put in the time and the work and the sacrifice, these moments like this, you don't even think about it. You think about Jalen Brunson most guys They like going to the offhand to pull up for the jump shot because you can square up a little bit better He got you going left like he thought oh, he's a strong left guy. He was setting him up He said Thompson up. I'm coming right back over here to where I want to knock down this three So it's just it's just a process that you go through each and every day. And you watch him, he is so good at manipulating the defense.

He can get you on your hip, and then he can cause the contact, or he can gauge your speed if you're going too fast. He stops on a dime and pulls up. And I think for him, any guy who's playing this game long enough, you don't think about it. You just do it. It's just a second nature thing to you, man. You just enjoy the moment, and you just hope that you make that month

so you can talk a lot of shit. He does a great job, Rob, as you mentioned, but he gets his body in such a position to shoot that shot. Because like you said, he's a left-handed player, and most left-handed players are left-hand dominant. They're trying to get to that left side. They want to go left. He did that. And then if you notice, he stepped back and squared himself

and let it go. He hit a shooter. He got an A1 on shooter and he got a tough step back. He, I mean, the way he can like get his body in position to take and make tough shots for a guy his size. He's not a big guy. I mean, his body, I mean, you know what I'm saying? He's, you know, he got a little, little girth to him. You know, he got some, but he's, I mean, he's what you think, six foot. I think he's about six, six what? Hit that. Hit that. But his ability, and he's stronger than you think for a guy his size

Because the way he can like put that that shoulder in your chest Mm-hmm and get up and get that shot off that float on your square himself and to knock these shots down He was sensational they couldn't buy a basket for the first nine ten minutes of the ball game And then all of a sudden he said man just give me the ball what y'all doing and Every shot that needed to be taken and made, now they got a huge tip in by Bridges, somebody missed a shot, and they didn't block out. The Bridges got the tip, they tied it up.

But you know, once they missed that shot, I said, oh boy, y'all better get this ball. Because Thompson had just made a great defensive play of like two possessions earlier. He got a shot clock violation on the copy. He went to go up and he stripped him of the ball. He's like, yeah, I got something for you. I got a question for you for Rob, man, for you and Unc, right? As great as Jalen Brunson was in this series, as great as he's been, obviously being a very, very clutch

player. Hell, he just won NBA Cuts Player of the Year, right? Obviously, Sean is offering the prize tonight with 40. Is there any chance y'all giving the Knicks and winning this series against the Celtics? Any chance? No, no, no, no. And the reason I say no is because when you look at the Celtics, they got six guys that can score. And every time I look at the Knicks, they remind me of AI.

You know, they got this one guy that does all the scoring, everybody else does two or three things really, really good to make that pie whole. And I do take out Bridges, who's one of my favorite players. When they use him and he's able to score, they're a totally different team. But I just think the Celtics has too much firepower. And one of the things they don't talk about with the Celtics is, you look at them, they got four good defensive players out there

on that court. You know, and that's, and we don't talk about that because he's so caught up in all the threes they do. But you think about, you know, White, Holliday, even Brown, these guys are fucking good defense. And so they got bodies to throw at Bronce a little short tail. And so that's going to be hard. And I know going back to Bronce,

the one thing that makes him really good is, this is going to sound really crazy, is left-handed players are always, have that ability to get to the line and do things because you cannot use that. You hardly ever run across a left-handed player. You think about Manu Juno who I play with. He was so good because you think he's about to do something

on his right, he's like, oh shit, he's left-handed. By the time you think about it, it's fucking late. He done jaded you up. And because it's just not what you use, it's uncommon. But I just think, I think the Knicks might win one game because they play hard. And I think overall, I just think the Celtics, yeah, it's going to be a gentleman's sweep, man. I just think the Celtics stay healthy.

But you know, they've been getting a little banged up in there, but I just think the Celtics are too good. Yeah, because when you look at it, think about where they go. They got Derek White that can defend. They got Holliday that can defend. They got JB that can defend. They got Horford that can defend. Porzingis can protect the paint. And then they bring Pritchard off the bench that can defend, they got Horford that can defend, Pozingas can protect the paint.

And then they bring Pritchett off the bench that can score, Howser that can score, Cornett that can give you a little rebounding. They're loaded. You wouldn't know JT can defend if you have to, but he can score, JB can score, Jerry White can score. They got scores and they got defenders.

So they're always gonna have at bare minimum two quality defenders on the court at all times And so when you have that when you got two guys that could defend but look what they start with So if they start holiday, you got holiday Derek White JP Al Horford Honestly, I'm gonna tell you this I Like the Nixon winning at least three games Not even with three games. I mean a raw you want, they win three games. I got them winning three games. I mean, hey, Raw, you want to bet some on it?

You want to throw a little ways on it? What do you want to bet? See, make a lie to yourself. Bet 5,200. That's very specific. Why you said that? I'm just trying to make it up some other kind of way and try to break you. Rob, let me ask you this. Of all the game winners that you hit, what's your favorite one?

Lakers against Kings. With the ball came back, that was game seven. That was game four. We lose that game, we go down 3-1. And the reason is my favorite because if you look at most of my game winners, they were all done on the road. And so this one was done at home. And you got a chance to rejoice in it with the crowd. Yeah, I grew up a huge Laker fan, man. I grew up a big Magic Johnson fan.

You know, you were never, being a Laker, you used to them chanting, Kobe, Kobe, or Shaq. You know, when you get a chance to knock down a big three and you hear them chant your name like that, man, it's the best feeling ever. I think for me, it's probably outside of Kobe's last game is the greatest moment in Staples slash Crypto. And every time I see the shot from above,

and when I make it and the crowd just jumps up and cheers, I get goose bumps every time I see it. Even though I love what I did in 2005 against the Pistons in game five when I lit the ass. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, yeah. Yeah, but you know, as an athlete, we all got that ego, we all got that pride. You wanna hear them fans chant your name,

but I tell you what, I only have like one picture up. I don't even have that shot up in my house, but I do have the picture of me making that shot against the Pistons because I just like looking at the faces of the people in the crowd. You got some people like, no! And you got one guy in the crowd like this, like, yeah! Cause he knew what was going in.

And you got one guy in the crowd like this like, yeah, because he knew what was going in People I don't know if people realize this wrong, but before those black injured you are high flyer You was ever I mean you was punching on folks I mean you were off over the top people look at you that's like man. All he did was shoot threes No, no, no, no, no when you came in I mean, I don't know what it is about them Alabama guys you and McNeese All the guys had up up up and away ups And and I don't know if people realize that but you were a high flyer a 610 guy that finished above the rim And then you turned yourself

I think it was the back injury that you turned yourself in more of a shooter you still could punch on folks But not like you could when you first got into Houston. No, no, it's so weird when you come into the... Funny story is like my middle son, he came to me one time like, daddy, you don't ever dunk anymore. You can't even dunk. And there's that one dunk in the playoffs

against the Detroit Pistons that I dunked on Rip Helms and what took it outside the bank. And I was like, see, your dad can still dunk. I just don't have to. But you know, the weird part about it is, when I got to the Lakers, they was like, oh, we don't want you to, you know, we need you to just spot up.

And the worst thing as an athlete, any athletes listening is, don't let coaches limit you in what you can do. And I think, you know, this day and age is a little bit different. Back then it was a little bit more, I need you to do this, this, and this. And so in my mind became, okay, this is what they want me to do. Spot up and shoot three and all this kind of stuff. But

I showed my youngest son Christian, who's at UCLA, I said, let me show you something, man. Come sit down. And I showed him my highlights of me in rockets when I was done. He looked at me like, damn, you had hops. I was like, yeah, stopped doing it. Yeah cuz they didn't want I didn't have room to do it cuz Shaq was in the damn That's dope that's live. Hey Rob, some of those clutch shots you hit were you ever did you ever keep any of the balls? Especially I mean You got some really really really good moments and for me, I would want to keep those, I personally would want to keep those balls.

You know, you don't have any. You know, I have one. I have one from, it's actually the game seven ball against the Knicks. I have that. And the only reason I have that is because I told the guys, because the first two points of game seven was me dunking on Patrick Ewing. And I was like, I want that ball. I want that ball.

So I have that ball. And I wish I had the one I made against the Kings because, shit, if I lost it, if I betted you and lost, I just sell that and get me a lot of money to cover that. So I know you Laker fans who love that ball. Speaking of, you talk about balls and being able to sell a ball and get you a lot of money. Listen, I got a prized possession.

That's what I meant to say. I'm supposed to have it enclosed in a case, right? But I got the game ball when LeBron hit his 50th point. 50,000. Seriously? Like listen, 50,000 point. And that's something that you would think he would keep. Show him, show him, show him.

Yeah. So it's a 50,000 point ball right there. You see 50,000 point in the box. Yeah. So if I ever fall on hard times, man, this here gonna come in handy. If you fall on hard times and try to steal that ball, you're gonna steal hard times. Exactly. You might end up on real hard times.

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Think for me is just hit how genuine he was and you know He he was one of those coaches where he's one of those coaches where? He'll yell at you and then take you to have some Nokia and some my two favorite things And, you know, he was one of those coaches where he's one of those coaches where he'll yell at you and then take you to have some gnocchi and some wine, you know, those two favorite things. And for me, I think I tell this story all the time. The one thing that really made me fall in love with the guy was my daughter who passed away was really sick my last year with the Spurs.

And she went into the hospital like at the beginning of the season. And he was like, don't come back until she's out of the hospital. And I sat in the hospital with her for like three weeks. And then she finally got out of the hospital. And I came back like a day after he says, she out of the hospital? Like, yeah, she got home like two days ago.

He said, she ain't out of the woods yet. Get back, go back home. You know, we don't really need you right now. And I looked at him like, are you trying to get rid of me off on the spot? He said, no, man, family first. You know, we don't really need you right now. And I looked at him like, are you trying to get rid of me off on the spot? He said, no, man, family first. You know, family first. And that's what, that's how Pop always was, man. You know, I just heard the day about the story with Demar DeRosa when his pops passed.

And that goes to show you, you know, there's some things bigger than a freaking game, right? And Pop realized that, you know, he was always about, you know, spending time with your family, doing what's important. And I remember even my last year, I went to him and I was like, you know, I want to ask a favor. Like what? I said, it's my last year. I said, can I, I mean, my son's on spring break.

We're going on a road trip. Can I bring my son with me? He's like, yeah, don't even ask me a question like that. He said, this is, you know, it's about the family. It's about doing things. And a lot of teams wouldn't let you do that you know it's because I remember with the Lakers back in day you say can't get the flight back now liability you know interesting I'm like what is this a

flight home and what so but pop was he was really really good about man if it came down to your family you do whatever is necessary for your family everybody talks about the relationship that he had with Duncan, because I think Duncan was the link man. Because you could coach Tim Duncan hard, you can coach everybody else hard. And Timmy was receptive.

And that's what you have to, Timmy was one of these superstars that if you didn't watch the game, you would never know he was a superstar. He didn't dress like a superstar. Hell, I remember he showed up when you pick up an MVP trophy with flip flops and shorts on. Like, David Stern, David Stern thought he wanted to swing on Timmy.

You remember that, Bob? Yeah, he had on jeans shorts. He had shorts and flip flops. David Stern like, hey, but that was Timmy. What was it about Coach Pop and Tim's relationship that made it so unique and special? I think we're gonna back this up a little bit because you really have to credit David Robinson. Because you think about he had David Robinson when Tim came and David was like, yo, this is what we do

here. And Tim just follows suit. You know, Tim is just that type of guy. He doesn't say much. You can tell. If you talk about cars, he'll talk to you. Talk about video games, he'll talk to you. Talk about poker, those three things. And if he don't talk about that, he ain't gonna really talk to you. But for us, it took me a year just to get him to say a couple words to me. But he is just a type of guy who's really focused. We always talk about Kobe's work ethic,

we talk about it, but this dude was always in the gym shooting jump shots, you know, always trying to perfect that bank shot, if we know he's famous for shooting a lot of free throws because you know, that was one of his downfalls. One of his weaknesses when he came in. Yeah, yeah, and he just, he worked hard, but he was just, if you talk about guys

who, you know, I used to, I had to get onto him one time like, dude, can you fucking yell at somebody, man? You sitting there like with your mouth closed, you know, you yell at someone, you're going to be like, yeah, everybody's going to perk up and listen. So he was just, he was very mild-minded, well, he's mild-minded, he didn't want to say much but the guy was he Competed and he was and when he when he let you into his world One of the nicest guys you'll meet You mentioned the Twin Towers because David Robinson was there but when David was there I mean they won them championship with David but David was on the tail end of his career That was a that was I mean basically Tim Duncan team from the time he walked in the door

Oh, yeah, he was just that good and he was one of the last guys that was a true senior That was the number one overall Kenyon Martin was the last one I think in 2000 But Timmy was what 90 98 I think the 98 draft was Timmy's first year But he was the last the last of those guys that went four years of college and came out So he was more than ready, more than prepared for the grind because basically he was a grown man when he wasn't 18, he wasn't 17. So Tim Duncan was a 22 year old grown man

when he got into the NBA. So you tell me something I did not know. I thought he came out early. You just saw you say everybody coming out early. Think about it. And that's the one thing I hate about the NBA. I know these dudes are freaking 21 when they get to college now. everybody coming out early, you know, thinking about. And that's the one thing I hate about the NBA. I know these dudes are freaking 21 when they get to college now,

but I just wish that, that, that, that, I was about to say David Stern, that Adam Silver would put like two years onto it, because these guys, you can tell by the way these guys play now. That's why so many threes are being shot, because they don't know how to play. They're doing what's easy, just taking the threes and not learning the game.

You know, you got some guys that don't come in the league that know how to play the game because of the upbringing and how they would know. But it's just a lot of bad basketball being played because guys don't know how to play. You know, you think about tonight, watch the game, like, dude, the first thing you learn in high school and college is how to beat a damn zone. The zone is the easiest freaking thing to beat and you can't beat a zone it's like go to the open spots go to the dunking spot go back door and it just shows you right there that the guys aren't learning

anything because they are just trying to you know get to the next level to the league without learning something. Rob you played with some of the greats I mean you was on a team with Tim Duncan you was on a team with Shaq and Kobe you was on a team with a lot Dream and Dre on a team with Shaq and Kobe, you was on a team with a lot, Dream and Drexler. And I know people ask you, what, the difference between Dream and Duncan, the difference between Duncan and Shaq, the difference between Clyde and Kobe, what are some of the differences? Look, because look, all of those guys that I just mentioned are 75 greatest players in NBA history. MVP's, finals MVP's, defensive players of the year.

When you got to the Rockets, what was it about the dream that you know, okay, this guy's special, what set him apart? Oh shit, I knew a dream was special when I watched him in high school. I mean college, because when I was coming out, I said, I wanna play alongside this guy. I was praying that I went to the Rockets and go, because when I was coming out, I said, I want to play alongside this guy. You know, I was praying that I went to the Rockers and got what I did,

because you could just see his work ethic. You know, you watched him. You know, guys always talking about going into the lab. Dream would be in the lab and we didn't even know it. He would be working on stuff and then he'll just all of a sudden get in the game. You know, you think about in 95, how he had not only David. Yeah, because he said they in the game. You know, you think about in 95, how he annihilated David.

Yeah, because he said they took the game and took his MVP from him. Yeah. All that stuff we had never seen before. You should have seen us on the court. We're going like, oh, kill him, drink. We became fans on the court, right? And so he just, and you watch him, man, he just played hard, man. You think about, you know, back in the day when he, you forget, he used to knock some people out too. You know, he had that toughness, you know, you elbow him, you know, back in the day when he, you forget he used to knock some people out too. Oh yeah. You know, he had that toughness, you know, you elbow him, he would, he was,

cause it was only a $50 fine, you know, punch someone in the face. And so he had that toughness and he just had that. The one thing about Dream though is, we talk about how hard guys play, it's like how hard Yana's plays, how hard Bronson plays, how hard these guys, Dream played hard each and every night.

And, you know, people would talk about who's the greatest center, who's this, who's that. Dream, to me, is always going to be top three centers. Wow. Because if he needed to shoot threes, he could have shot threes. He didn't because he had us out there. And you couldn't stop him in the paint any damn way. So he just going to keep that way. So he was just, you know, he was just a hard worker and the more important great guy, because he taught me about the business of basketball.

He was like, yeah, I remember one time at a Christmas party, he took me outside and said, listen, listen, you're going to be on this team now. Let's talk about, you know, things outside of basketball. What you're doing with your money, you know, how's the family, you know, are you invested? Do you have with your money? How's the family? Are you investing? Do you have the right people?

He was just a good guy. A lot of guys now, they won't come to you and be like, yo man, you need to check your finance, you need to do this. They're like, fuck it, I learned it on my own, you on your own. And so that's one of the things I love about Dream. He taught me about the business of basketball.

So you leave Houston and you go to the, well, you know, you have, you didn't go right to the- He didn't go to LA. No, you have- He didn't go to LA. You have a little bit of a start to say, and you have a cup of coffee at the airport. You got right back on the plane and went to LA. So you get to LA, Shaq and Kobe.

You're like, damn, got Shaq, got Kobe. What y'all need me to do? You know, it's weird when I got there, man. I was looking at the team. We had Nick Van Exler at the point. We had Eddie Jones at the two. I said, okay, I can play the three. You know, back then I was a three man. And I said, we got a young guy like, you know, everybody's like, oh, you got to see his rookie Kobe Bryant. I'm like, who? And then you get to the practice, you see how good this dude is. Okay. He's learning. And then you got Shaq, you know, you say, okay, Shaq just got beaten nine and five in the finals and you got all this talent. I said,

oh man, we got to do some work. I said, we're going to do some work for some years because everybody's young. Everybody's under 30. But sometimes it goes to show you, too many cooks in the kitchen when it comes to basketball, ain't good. You gotta have some guys that are glue guys, some screw guys, you know, some folks, and do the things to keep the team together. And you think about it, we had four All-Stars.

And then we got swept by a damn team that had been together for 30 years. Oh, you thought that was Kobe's rookie year, wasn't it? That was Kobe's rookie year, yeah. Yep and then the final and then that 99 you know we got beat we got beat by the Spurs lost the last game in the form to the Spurs and then that was when we got new coaches and we said we got rid of Nick we got rid of Eddie and we brought in defensive minded people you know we brought in Ron Harper we brought in B Shaw we brought in Rick Fox we did all, he brought in Ron Harper. We brought in B Shaw. We brought in Rick Fox. We did all these things.

We brought in AC Green. And it was that glue. Was Holt Grant there then or Holt Grant only came for the last time? No, Holt Grant was on the second campionship in 2000, 2001. Yeah, so and it was just weird, man. You just, and it goes to show you when you got too much talent. It's hard to blend in. It can get in the way.

But when you've got, when you got enough talent and you've got guys who mature and you can you can tell Kobe and Shaq to shut up and sit your ass down and do what you're supposed to do. And they're gonna they're gonna you think about it. We used to tell Kobe we don't do you ain't doing that tonight. Shaq you ain't doing that. And they will listen us because we are veteran guys. You know now you got this going on guys with you know respect us and we had a lot of respect for one another. And it was no animosity. And people always ask me about the Kobe Shack thing.

I was like, man, I must've been fucking blinded because they never had beef in front of us. It was all in the papers, man, you know? And that was the weirdest thing when people like, would talk about it. I'm like, they in the locker room laughing and joking. They the first people to hug after a championship. I know you tell me up you you won a championship Who was the first person you hung you hug after you won a championship?

It's probably your favorite player on the team. Absolutely And so that's why I was like mental ride. They would say oh they beat me. I'm like when where so it was just weird to me How good was Shaq you look at Shaq and I tell, I don't think people realize how athletic Shaq was. When Shaq got to the league, like Shaq first five or six years, when Shaq was like 7'1", 3'25", and could move like a dare, we're never gonna see that again. You're never gonna see a guy his size with that kind of agility. You're just not.

Now you might have like a Yogi got the footwork, and Joe L. and me got footwork, but I'm talking about just raw athleticism and power And you're never gonna see Will O'Neal again. Never Yeah, never, you know you think about if you always talk if you start a team if I could take the 2000 the 1999 2000 shack the MVP shack and have him that shack and put him on that's my first person Not Jordan not dream not green That shack and put him on. That's my first person, not Jordan, not Dream, not Green.

That's the first person I picked to start my life. I can get that shack because he was just so dominant. He was just so strong, so athletic. You think about this. This guy can bring the ball down, cross your spin, take off from outside the paint. Then monkey dunk on your ass and then you can do, you know, and it's in it. You go back and look at a lot of tape and I've heard this out of ref's mouth.

So I'm sitting there, you can hear all you on him and he's not getting the call. They're like, oh, he's too big. He should be able to handle it. I'm like, dude, it's a freaking file. He's slapping this shell. I said, all right, y'all gonna piss him off. And then I'm gonna get out of the way

cause he gonna start elbowing. And you can tell when he got frustrated cause he'll do that He don't care who he did I'm like so yeah He was that he was a like I said if you got one player one moment. I'm taking 1999 2000 Shack and I'm starting a team with that guy if I can get that guy each and every night. Okay, Kobe. Kobe is a 17. He gets there at 17. Now by the time they start to win championships, he's the Kobe. He's become what he became, and you get to see it on full display.

He can still elevate over the top. He got the minute. He could bop bop bop bop. Oh, he had Oh, he had he had the package and if you needed to sit in the chair for 40 minutes and take the poll the team Point two three. Yeah, I got it. Yeah He and he wanted that challenge and you know, you you know, I know you think Lebron is the greatest of all time and you people talk about MJ being the greatest of all time. What you people talk about MJ being the greatest of all time. I want you to think you, when you watch Kobe Bryant, he did every freaking thing like MJ. And he probably took it to another level

because Kobe, you know, when Kobe first came to the league, we used to laugh and joke with him like, you can't shoot threes. He just shoot threes like MJ. But we would like joke with him. So that dude would be in the league, we used to laugh and joke with him like, you can't shoot threes. He just shoot threes like MJ. But we would like joke with him. So that dude would be in the gym every morning at five o'clock shooting them with threes. And now he can shoot threes.

And it's things like that, why he was great. You could tell him he was not good at something. He will prove you wrong by going in and working on it and adding to his game. This dude, you know, God rest his soul, was the hardest working dude I've ever seen in my life. And you think about where he went from his rookie year where he just played, wow.

You know, he didn't have no structure to his game. To understand that, oh, I got to tone this down. You know, I don't know if it's because he talked to MJ and talked to Phil and whatnot, but when he got Phil, it made him more structured than I've ever seen before. So the dude was just phenomenal, man. So I hate when we talk about the goat

and we never bring him up, like, cause it's like, you know, to me, the goats are MJ, Colby, LeBron, and Kareem. Those are the goats. And why do we have to put one, one, two, one, three, and four? Those four guys right there, why can't just four goats? That's the Mount Rushmore right there. Why didn't, playing on that team alongside Shaq and Kobe, why didn't they win more individual MVPs?

Kobe didn't win one until later, late like 2001, I think 2009 or 2010, he won the MVP. Why didn't they win, why didn't Shaq win more MVPs? Why didn't Kobe win MVPs? Did they cancel each other out? I don't think they canceled each other out. I just think, you know, if you look at the league back then, it was hard to win back to backs unless you was a white guy named Steve Nash.

And so, you know, you're a white guy named Steve Nash. You know, you think about that second Steve Nash. You're the one that in Miami for real though. So it's so many things you can look at. It's just weird. You know, you think about MJ when he was in the league. He didn't win it every year. You know, it's always someone different. And like, you think about this year, even though Jokic is having the best freaking career, best year of his career, he ain't gonna win. He'll probably give it to Shady. You know, and it's just how they do it.

And I don't know why, but I think Kobe should probably run at least three. Shaq should run at least, I think Shaq should run at least two. You know, I think it's, I say the year he won it, he should have won it. And then the following year, he should have won it. You know, other than that, I think, you know, because you think about his third year, I say the year he won it, he should have won it. And then the following year he should have won it. You know, other than that, I think, you know, cause you think about his third year, my third championship, he wasn't as dominant as he was.

He was still effective. He just didn't bring that. You think about it, he wasn't the shack before that. And that's what they based it off. They always say, okay, we're gonna take your last year. What did you do better than that year? And I think it was just consistent, he never like went up a little bit to another level.

Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan had one of the great games, he had damn near a quadruple double. He was two blocks away from a quadruple double in an NBA finals game when he played the N he played the Nets, that you have to get 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists and eight blocks. Yeah, that was a nest man, a nest. That was a nest. We had just swept the Nets the year before that or whatever it was. The nest was like, you know, poor Jay Skid, Richard Jefferson, that crew, you know, you were the beast in the east.

But when it came to playing the teams, you used to wear, you were just like, you like the Leggans and the Clippers. You're just a little brother. So it was, it was, they made it a good challenge. But you go back and look at the east back then. East was terrible, man. They were God awful. And so, but Tim Duncan, though, that goes to show you when he wants to take over, he can take over, man.

And the one thing I like about Tim, when it comes to blocking shots, he didn't care if you dunked on him. He's like, shit, I don't care. I don't have social media. I don't care what you say. People in San Antonio are gonna still bow down to me. And most guys will shy away from trying to

go up against a vintage car thinking you might get dunked on. They're like, nah, I ain't challenged that. Tim didn't give a shit. He would try to challenge you anyway to block it because he knew nine times out of 10, he was gonna block it, and it's gonna start a fast break.

All right, your Mount Rushmore teammates, you get four teammates on Mount Rushmore. Who you going with? Dream, Shaq, Kobe, Clyde. Damn, you took Clyde over Timmy?

You know what, this is the one thing, you know, I love Timmy, but I'm going with Clyde. Clyde's my boy, man. You know, sometimes personal feelings get in the way. Sometimes, hey, I'm doing the Steve Kerr right now. I'm putting you up. Hey, but you know, people don't, I think people forget how good Clyde was, man.

The part, he took kind of a backseat role when he got to Houston, but, but, but, Horton and Clyde, Horton and Clyde, I remember, hell, I remember when he was dunking on everybody in five slammer jam pajamas at the University of Houston. Yeah. Yeah. But he used to, Clyde used to elevate. Yeah. You know, and the reason I put Tim in there is because I remember, you know, I'm watching the Hall of Fame ceremony and I watched Rudy T get inducted. And then when Rudy T gave me a shout out for the Hall of Fame and they panned through the crowd and Tim didn't clap.

So that's why he ain't on my rest. My rest, you know what I mean? Hey. Cause I, I thought it comes to, motherfucker I saved your ass in 2005, excuse my language. Yeah. You better get your ass up and clap.

Missing that damn last night takeover. Spurn got some cap space. got a they got a night. Yeah, they got Stefan Cavs who's rookie of the year Wimby with a previous rookie of the year, I think I do they Would you make the move for Yonis? Would you try to package some pieces for Yonis? That's the thing you got don Don't you forget about Dan Fox. You, I think that's, that's hard to say. I would because you can't pass them. Oh, I think that's going to be the hottest commodity this summer.

Everybody's going to want the Greek freak because he's that type of player. You know, I mentioned earlier how hard he played. So this is going to be really interesting to see where he goes at Milwaukee. We want to give him up. But if I'm the, if I'm the Spurs, we got the cast space to why not go after them because, you know, he loved it there because he got a good, one thing about the Spurs franchise is just a good franchise. They're very humble franchise and you don't have to worry about a lot of outside

noise. You think about in LA and in Chicago, New York, there's a lot of outside noise. You think about in LA and Chicago, New York, there's a lot of outside noise. So you being in Milwaukee are used to the outside noise being at a minimum. So if you go to the Spurs, you're in the same thing. So I don't know if he wants that. I don't know if he wants to be more, you know, I can't get no more notable in the R.S. retreat, but does he want a bigger market? retreat, but does he want a bigger market? I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core.

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