Club Shay Shay - Nightcap NBA Recap - Part 1: Magic Talks Luka’s Weight problem + Desmond Bane Traded

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Recap the best NBA topics of the week as Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Grizzlies trading Desmond Banw to the Magic, Magic Johnson’s comments in Luka Doncic’s weight, and much more!01:41 - Magic Johnson on Luka Doncic's fitness25:49 - Tracy McGrady on Jamaal Tinsley better handles than Kyrie Irving36:17 - Carmelo Anthony 1v1 Michael Beasley?42:00 - Grizzlies trade Desmond Bane(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Magic Johnson spoke about what Luca and LeBron must do to win a title and he had this to say about Luca, Luca got to understand, this is not Dallas. We shouldn't have to tell you to be in shape. You should have already been about that, right? Especially when you are a super, la la land baby. They don't play that.

No, they ain't about nothing but championships, Ochoa. Yeah. So they, in every superstar, every superstar that's come there has given them a championship. Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, LeBron, Anthony Davis. Every superstar that they've gotten has delivered them a championship. I'm not talking to the guys that they drafted.

Obviously, you know, Magic got them a championship. Kobe got them a championship. But they didn't trade. Obviously, Shaq was a free agent. But every superstar that's come, and we wanna classify AD as a superstar, so be it, I don't wanna nitpick about that, but I'm just saying, every big, big time player,

free agent, that's come to the Lakers has delivered a championship. So, I mean, what's- He's gotta deliver it. You think Luca has a chance to deliver it? Yeah, if he can stay in shape, stay healthy, I think that's the biggest thing. I wouldn't even say to stay in shape part,

I say to stay healthy part. You gotta be in shape. Well, what caused you to get injured when you're out of shape? Because when you're out of shape, guess what happens? You pull things. You can be in shape and still get hurt now. You can, but why does he look every year

he looks like he's dragging a piano behind his back? You're right, you're right. It's cause he'd be bogged down with injuries. His body wears down on him. He's a phenomenal. And I'm not saying that, and people see, sometimes Ocho, people just look at the end result. We'll look at the numbers that he's putting up. Right.

But why does it look like, I mean, you see he got tape, he got kinesio tape all on his back, all on his shoulders, everything. He's getting all, yeah. Yeah. With chicken-wide mesh tape. Yeah, I have a question too. You know, when you lose weight in your game weight, does it change his game? Will it change the game in his style of play,

the way he plays the game, not having that extra weight? Will he still be able to do some of the things that he does as far as using his body, you know, to play? No, I don't think so, Ocho, because you know why? Because, I mean, the man's 25, 26, Ocho. I can see when you get, look, you start getting in your 30s, you get that old man spread, Ocho. You know it get harder.

When you in your 20s, man, you should be able to, just like that. Yeah, but I'm saying, I'm talking about his style of play. Will he still be able to use his body to stand? Yeah. Ocho, if he train properly, you know what I mean? You train properly, you train for that, you prepare yourself for the upcoming season, whatever type of workout you're doing. Yeah, I don't think it'll hurt him. I think it'll help him.

Because when you get late in the season, when you get to February, March, April, man, your body still feels strong. Now, I think the one thing guys have to understand, it ain't just the offseason that you get better, but during the season, you have to maintain that. You know what I'm saying? That's the hardest thing. Because when you playing every night, every other night, you know, it's hard to be like, man, I gotta go in this weight room. I gotta throw these weights around today. You know what I mean? I think that's the main thing, bro.

Like, for me, Uncle Ocho, when I play, man, I love working out before the game. Like literally before we played, two hours before, I go up there and get me a nice little lift, total body, you know, just to keep my body strong. So when I did get out there on the floor, you know, I felt good, you know what I mean? And I agree.

I agree. Like I said, and look, when you're dealing with that kind of money, Ocho, everybody got private chefs. Everybody got personal trainers. Everybody got physios. And Luke is a guy, his trainer can travel with the team. I bet you they let his,

just like they let LeBron, Mike Macias, probably travel. Hey, y'all know that thing. It come down to one thing, bro. That's having discipline. Having the, you gotta put some of them beers down. I ain't saying you gotta go cold turkey But you can't be drinking beers every night. Oh Joe after How about how about this? Oh Joe six pack not a case? That's all I'm saying get your sick nice little six pack

Hey, don't don't do trace. I'm just a a The hookah, man, hey, don't get the big thing of hookah. You don't put a hookah, you know what I'm saying? Don't get the one that's like six to eight people can't control it. Some of those habits for him are probably going to be hard to break, especially depending on who he has around him.

Those habits that he's been doing for a very long time. We all have our vices, you know, my my vices cigars. But if it came down to it, if I had to stop, I could stop cold turkey when it comes to out. Let me ask you a question. Could you stop smoking cigars during the season for 60 million dollars? Huh? Could you stop smoking cigars during the season for 60 million? Yeah. I mean, that's not... I'm just asking yes or no. Could you stop smoking cigars?

I'm not addicted to it, of course, yeah. But, and that's the, that's the thing. Look, it, look, Michael Jordan smoked cigars during the season. But Michael Jordan was in tip-top peak shape. You look at the caps on his shoulder, you look at his body. Now if Luca, hey, if Luca, if Luca wasn't gonna wear down at the end of the year, as a matter of fact, hell, I'd bring him cigars. What cigars you say? I got Tampa Nuggets right now. I got some Tampa Nuggets upstairs. Hey, look.

Whatever, whatever, okay. I'll bring him a six pack. I'll bring him a six pack. What you drinking? Hey, look. Couls, Anaheim's a blood, blood, what you drinking? Blood light, McLight, what you want? Hey, I know he ain't drinking no boo, no slitz ball, no Luka, no old E. Hey, Liz. So he probably drinking some Mitch beer.

I think he gonna come back in much better shape, but I think he's gonna have to maintain that throughout, you know throughout the season That's the toughest part man. I've been seeing him working out this summer Ocho and on So I know he hears the whispers believe me here to whisper. Oh, he gonna come back He gonna come back a different player for sure Working out in the offseason is the easiest thing you can do because you got nothing but time Yeah, you know I'm saying don't show you got. You sit that two hours a day, but it gets difficult. I mean, it gets hard.

Man, you getting beat up, my shoulders getting sore, but I still got to find a way to go in there and lift. I got to bench. I got to do shoulder work. I got to do leg work. I got to do calf work. I got to do core work because that beating that I'm taking, and the last thing you want is the man you trying to ward off injury as long as you possibly can.

And you know once you get, until you get nicked during the season, it's hard to get healthy because you can't get no rest. You can't get proper rest. They got your ass up in the wee hours of the morning. You can't train because you're rehabbing. You're doing all this training after practice. You there two hours before meeting, getting all with you. Then you get out, then you train, you're iceing and stem during lunch break. Okay. You go out there and try to do some little walkthroughs and then you got

two hours after practice. So you get treatment five hours a day. Remember them days. Yeah. See, I know you remember them days. I remember them days too. And football, I know you remember them days. I remember them days too. In football, I know you can't make it through no season without lifting weights every week, right?

Especially if you think, hey, Joe, you know, I could, you know, I mean, Unks body type is a little different. I was small. I was strong as hell. So I had no choice but to lift weights to maintain my strength. It wasn't about me or no muscle, Joe. You know, I wasn't, I wasn't physically imposing, but I needed because the wear and tear on my body and I was so small, I had no choice.

I had no choice but the lift weights throughout the entire season because I would wear down if I didn't. I just wanted to maintain my strength and not maintain my strength to be strong, but to be able to withstand the punishment I was taking because I played reckless as hell like a goddamn rag doll. Hey, and the position y'all playing here, y'all pretty much running wind sprints the entire. Yeah, basically.

I was already undersized. I only weighed 228. Yeah. I weighed 228, so I had to be strong, strong. And I held on till about week 13. That's why that thing started coming down all of a sudden. Hey, hey, like I said, I fought it longer. It's the same thing with basketball, though.

Think about it. When you got back to back, and you play four games and five nights, man You still got a five time. I ain't saying you got to go in there squat No 400 pounds, but you got to go in there and keep the body strong You know because when you go get through that rigorous season for six to eight months, bro If you're not lifting weights every week your body is gonna break down. That's just the way it yeah Yep, and as you get older the thing that I like that, you know, Mike was like, hey, don't worry. Hey, I was only on one of day practices, Ocho. Mike's,

hey, go get your lift in. I was able to get my, hey, practice in the morning, lift in the afternoon. Kept me, kept me good and fresh. Hey, make sure I got my workout Monday after the game. Got Tuesday, was all about me, what I wanted to do Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday I was off I ain't I do know what Thursday was rolled around and I'm gonna lift it for the can we've done yeah cuz I go I go Monday through Thursday yeah for days for straight days oh Joe boy hey one good thing what they a devil, one good thing I found out in this one I was playing in Brooklyn playing with Kevin Garnett. Man, we used to get these lifts in after the game, right after the game. It may be a one set up, but your one set up may be like 15, 20 reps.

It may be like four or five exercises. That way, you know, you don't want through that game now you lift that weight, them weights. So in the morning when you wake up, you don't have that lactic acid just sit, you know what I mean? You have a little pop Kevin Garnett told me that he said he got it from Dennis Rodman and Every since bro I had been doing and I left Brooklyn and when I got to Miami He'll everybody was in the weight room after the game D way you D Everybody's in the I said man listen, it was just a great environment to be in, but if that's one thing I can give athletes, bro, especially hoopers, after game, you should get you a good, a good lift in. It ain't gotta be heavy, just something nice to keep the body toned and strong.

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, Joe. After game, that Monday morning, I'm like, I ain't gonna lie, Joe, after game, that Monday morning, I'm like. I get the pain. Oh Joe, I'm so bad, my shoulders, my shoulders ain't getting so bad, bad, my elbows, my knees. Especially if you come out playing on that turf. So Joe, I don't know if you had,

if you, when you got to the league, and then everybody had Astro turf, cause by that time they had started to transition to field turf. But I was playing when they had that real, that cement with turf rolled over the top of it. You need to prop it down. I got to understand, man. Y'all playing a gladiator sport.

The contact that y'all got, that's like a car wreck. You know what I'm saying? Every time you collide with somebody, like that's got to be rigorous. I know that. So after y'all play on Sunday, what y'all probably don't have to report to practice to win, Arke Ocho Yeah, Monday Monday you go and watch some you watch film on Monday into some time. They give you a victory victory Monday We don't got it going so you play you don't have to yeah, you just go get your own lift

You know you do your own thing That's that's what but I was it didn't matter. I'm always I remember we played Miami on the Monday night Oh Joe, we got back, we got back at like five, like five 30 in the morning. I was like, I'm not going to get me a workout. Yeah. You got it out of the way. I got it out of the way. That was the only, that's really the only time that I didn't come back over there that Tuesday. I got my workout in.

Always Tuesday was my workout day and cleaning the car car. So our Lysol, get all the dirt out of my shoes and stuff, vacuum clock out. So our Lysol, get all the dirt out my shoes and stuff, vacuuming out, I did that, went home. That was it for the day. But I had to get that work in, man. I just had to. I didn't feel right if I didn't lift. I gotta try to get some of that soreness out.

Cause like you said, that West Coast offense, the tight ends, he does a lot of running. And you know, sometimes you catch more passes than the other, but hey, you gonna get that blocking in cuz TD back there TD gonna get his touch it TD go get 25 30 K. Hey listen so in basketball this is about equivalent to about a little over three miles right a game especially if you you want them heavy hitters and you playing top minutes in football cuz y'all playing wide receiver tight end it's a bunch of spr. How many sprints you think y'all running a game?

Ooh, Lord. That's a good question. Probably, let's see. Let's just say, Ocho, you catch 10 passes. Yeah. It all depends on how many plans plays we have. We might have 25, we might have 30, we might have 35. Now some, you run in a shallow cross. Some, you run in a flat route. Some, you run in a stick 35 now some you run in the shallow cross Some you want to let route some you run in the stick some you run in the scene. So for me, I would say

Probably 20-hundred yard sprint that's a lot man Yeah, but you guys think it sounds like a lot but you gotta think yes each play is three seconds four to five seconds three seconds full speed right yeah seconds full speed rest so it is a continuous it's especially if you in shape and shape, well, you mean you good. And even if you in shape and shape, guess what?

You running that two minute drill and let them throw you a couple of passes in a row. Hey, hey. Go right up to that fella. Hey, get in there. Hey. Oh, check this out. Speaking of lifting, Joe, we gotta talk about the video Ocho posted this morning.

What is it, bro? Me? Oh, playing with- Oh, I forgot about that this morning, man. If the bar touching your chest- Sorry, it touched your chest, huh? Nah, it gotta touch your chest. It don't count. What don't count? If the bar does not touch your chest, it does not count.

Hey, don't nobody touch my chest but my woman. If that bar does not touch your chest, it does not count. Says who? Says the bench press. Google, hey, look up the definition of a bench press. Oh no, no, I don't care what the, I don't care what the definition of the bench press is. You ain't finna change it, oh oh just because you don't do it to

fit. Nobody. That's ain't no rep. I'm benching how I see fit and why I look the way I do. No no rep no rep. Hey you saw how easy you saw hey listen they stay with me you see how slow how easy and slow I'm gonna do 315 next week for you too. I bet you don't. Listen, I'm... Oh, I can do 315? What you talking about? You just can't. You think I did that? You ain't doing like three, four reps? I only did five, that's all I want to do. I just wanted... Touch your chest. Touch your chest. I just want to see if I still had it. Hey, my titty's too big. I can't, I can't, I can't touch my chest. I got, I just got them done. ["Sharp Night Cat"]

Khalil Zabar says, Shannon Sharp, Night Cat, tell him it doesn't count as a full rep bar needs to get to the chest. This is how I know those dumbbells you were lifted the other day had to be fake, struggling with 225. Agree? You gotta touch that bar to your chest or it don't count.

I don't have to do nothing. I was supposed to follow the NFL rules. I ain't following Nand 1, so I ain't, the bar's not touching my chest. Y'all just mad y'all not stronger than me. How about that? I don't know, they might not be. I don't know, you're not talking to me.

So I got to. We lift the same amount of weight What do you talk about? Whatever you do I can do I tell you what I tell you what I do I tell you what I do I bet you 59 to 5900 whatever you might not rep it Whatever you back our rep one bit let matter fact double or nothing double double double or nothing. Okay, bet Matter of fact, double or nothing. Double, double, let's double. Triple or nothing.

OK, bet. Whatever you max, I'll rep it. Hey, this is just what you fail to realize. I just look like this. I don't give a damn what you look like. I'm just as strong as you are. Whatever you max, I will rep it. All right.

All right. All right. OK. If you saw me with two chains, I'll talk about with no one, I just went in there and did 225 15 times. Well, that's what I just no one, I just went in there and did 225 15 times. Well that's what I just did. I just walked in the gym and did 225.

For five reps and then took your chance. Huh? All I'm saying is whatever you max, 315, 350, whatever you max, I'll rep it. Man, y'all want no smoke. Yeah, I do, I want all that. You don't want no smoke? As a matter of fact, I want your $100 on top want no smoke. Yeah, I do. I want all that. You don't want no smoke? As a matter of fact, I want Joe.

I want Joe $100 on top of that, too. Yeah. Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha. I want to talk to Joe. Hey. Hey, I promise you, when it comes to the weight room, this ain't what you want.

No, it is. This ain't what you want. It is. I just look like this. You think because I'm small in stature, I can't live what you live. I tell you what, that's the chat. That same thing you can do. I'm telling you. That's the chat.

As the chat, do they think you can bitch with me? I don't care what the chat think. We gotta have a lift off. We gotta have a lift. It ain't even one of these big folks. Matter of fact, I can... Hold on. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I'm not cocky. I'm convinced. You hear me? I'm not cocky. I'm convinced. I didn't worry about that.

You can't beat me in the way you're gonna beat me in Joe. You can't beat me hooping. That's what I'm telling you. I'll tell you what I do. I'll tell you what I do, Ocho. That's how I'm not cocky, I'm convinced. I didn't worry about that. You can't beat me in the way you're gonna beat me in Joe. You can't beat me hooping. That's what I'm feeling, Joe. I'll tell you what I do. I'll tell you what I do, Ocho. That's how I'm feeling. Ocho, this is what I do.

I bet my salary to your salary. Wait, well, which job? Any job you want. You take ESPN, you take night camp, you take club shay-shay, whatever job you want. Okay, I like that. I like that. Hey, hey, hey, I hope my kid's watching. We gonna have a good Christmas. Okay, I like that. I like that.

I hope my kids watch it. We're going to have a good Christmas. Hey, wait! No, you're not. Hey, Jo. Hey, Jo. When I'm done, I'm going to have me a property. You hear me? Hey, you know what?

Move your head out of the way. Let me see that TV. Because I want to get that TV centered. I want to let my, I want, I want, I want my guy to come in there when he go sit in that TV. Hey, you would take that piano. Cause nobody out there don't know how to play the piano. So you would take the piano with you. Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Hey, that's a good one though. But hey, I'm too strong though. I just look like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hey, that's a good one though. But hey, I'm too strong though. I just look like, hey, what you saying? I just look like this. I just look like this. Hey, I don't even, first of all, 84% said me 16. I don't know who those 16 is. I don't know who they are.

That's what's wrong with society. We are visual creatures. So anything of size, they just assume it's stronger. That's just the way we are in society and in people and as humans. Not understanding, hey Joe, if I'm not all yoked up and big, then I'm not strong. Then you have people that are foolish

in saying I'm doing 120s and the weights are fake. That's how you know. Well, he's so small, we don't expect him to be able to do that eight times. I'm very strong for my size when people don't understand. Joe, that's why I know if me and Uncle was a tussle, I'ma fold him like a lawn shell. I like the confidence. I definitely, I definitely love to have you as a teammate because I know we gonna go out there, even if we gonna get our ass beat, Ochoa gonna have us convinced that we can win this game.

Every time. Every time. He is not lacking in that department. No, no, he like it. Boy, if you think for one second you got a chance to beat me in some basketball, boy, you lost your mind. You lost. Alright, alright. Listen, I'm not I'm not Michael Beasley boy I don't care who you is I'm not I ain't Michael Beasley boy this is Ocho now this me this what I do check out and I bet you won't even score no more than two points see you might get lucky and throw throw up a hell Mary you might make a hell Mary you look like one of them type

throw up a hell Mary but outside of that you didn't score no more than two points man Alright Bad that joke your Ocho's over he go lift boarded me Lord have mercy It's I can tell by that look by that little form. You just did right there. I could tell I'm now Hey, hey, you see me. Hey, listen, you see me. Hey look wrist break. And I'm not gay, but I know how to break the wrist. You hear me? Hey, Joe, hey hold on, let me turn to the side so you can see it, Joe. You got that gooseneck, you got that gooseneck?

Yeah. Amply. How much is on there? Oh man. I'm feeling good tonight bro. I don't know if you could see the chat earlier. I don't know if you could see the chat earlier. But I was about to cry behind these goddamn glasses bro. But the chat, y'all some funny people man.

Can you see the chat? Joe, can you see it? Oh, oh, bye. Man, listen. Man, I would try, I would hold it in so bad, man. Them folks in that chat, so- By that, by 200. I can't see, I don't see, I can't see chat.

Let's see, hey. As you're over here crying, I'm wondering what everybody, Jordan laughing, I'm like, man, I gotta keep it together. I'm like, what's funny? Man, Asher get in here and tell about, she got a, oh. Hey, that got damn chat was funny. Yeah, they don't play. Man, I was like, man.

But I caught on. Yeah. Man, I was like bad Good I caught all yeah Yeah Yeah, uh Pulling something for you. Oh Joe. What did it was that? Tracy McGrady had a take this week He went on the young man in the Three podcast and said I don't think nobody had better handles than Jamal Tinsley even Kyrie Joe Jamal Tinsley was in my draft class Oh one

Wait Jamal Tinsley. Yeah, he means Jamal Jamal Tinsley He played with all he played it. Yeah, I think he went to Iowa State if I'm a stick He played with all he played it. Yeah, I think he was the Iowa State environment I'll be uh, yeah, he got handled. We got handled. Yeah. I know Ocho. He had some handlers, but I don't I Ain't nobody got no handle. It's tight though. He got a he had a tight handle, but it wasn't no Kyrie What time I'll turn my time out? I don't and I mean no disrespect to the sport of basketball chat. I apologize Jamal yeah, Hensley

That's a name. We knew you probably won't gonna know that one. Oh Joe. Don't worry about that Yeah Hey, but but but if McGrady say he's better than then then He just said handle but he said handles. Okay. Okay, so he had the same type of Bag with him like he I don't know If he was ever dictionaries like Kyrie, but he had a nice handle he had a nice hand He was a big point guard too. Like he would post up from time to time But to say his handle was better than Kyrie. That's a stretch, bro Okay, yeah big stretch time and time, but to say his handle was better than Kyrie's, that's a stretch, bro. Okay.

Yeah. Big stretch. Hey, Kyrie and for me, I relate everything in soccer terms. To me, Kyrie's creativity is similar to that of Neymar and Ronaldinho. You know, he's a magician with the ball. They are magicians with the ball and not not not in the gym playing around I'm talking about in game Where it's it you can't make a mistake

Where you try to pull certain moves off you have to execute it and every time they do do it Man, they do it with just I mean hey look because it's really read and react some of the stuff that them dudes do Even us as athletes that we do in a game a lot of times you read and react. Some of the stuff that them dudes do or even us as athletes that we do in a game, a lot of times you read and react and so it may be you may pull something off that you've never practiced before. You know what I'm saying? I'm just keeping it real. You may pull something off you've never practiced before but it's just read and react so you know it just kind of come to you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like I said, hey he against him, but it's hard for me to believe. And I've seen a lot of guys have the ball. Isaiah Thomas can pat the rock.

Isaiah Thomas was the first guy. I'm talking about Isaiah would come up to court. You literally doing this right here. Watch him in the All-Star game. White Chocolate had handles. I've never seen anybody have handles like Kyle Rito. Hey, Jason Wins was very entertaining with that ball in his hands. For sure. handles. I've never seen anybody have handles like Kyle Rito. Hey Jason Williams was very entertaining with that ball in his hands boy. For sure.

Very entertaining with that ball in his hands. Hey you can't be worried about having no turnovers or making no mistake playing like that though. Them dudes, they play free, they have fun, they let loose. You know a lot of guys ain't willing to take them chances. Some of them chances those dudes, some of them chances those dudes take during the game, man. You got to be real. Hell nah. You can get your ass smashed up out the game.

Absolutely, there you go. They'll pull you out, Coach will pull you out? Hell yeah, man. You go ahead. Wait, I'm talking about in the NBA. Yeah, if you ain't, Ocho, if you out there and you ain't him and you out there trying stuff and you turn the ball up, man,

you gonna come sit next to me. Oh, well, you got to understand that at the NBA level, dudes, if you really not like that, there would be no level of comfort to pull that shit off anyway in a real game. Man, there's some dudes out there who got some handles, they just scared to pull it out. They scared to try some of this stuff in the real game.

Like, you see some of these bigs, you watch some of these dudes play in the summertime, you wouldn't, you, hold on, man. Why you ain't doing that during the regular season? Or during the season? You know what I mean? You know, they pull it off and get a couple turnovers, boy, you gonna be sitting down.

Oh yeah, for sure. You know, you're right. There's nothing to let you just arbitrarily just in a game, Ocho, where it matters. Okay, you want to be in practice and you try some stuff like that, but you get in the game, where wins and losses matter. Yeah. It's just like you might try some stuff in the warm-up line, Pat and Go. Uh-huh., Pat and Go.

Ocho. Look what's on the bar, Ocho. What is it? What is that, four plates? What's that, four or five? Mm-hmm. Why you struggling? Why you struggling? Hey, I tell you what, I bet you can't tell me.

I tell you what, you can't even hold it. That's three reps with four and five. You ain't never done four and five. I ain't never done, man. What you talking about? Yeah, you gonna say you squat it? As a matter of fact, I probably can bitch what you squat while you bumping them.

Oh, I don't do that, boy. I squat. I squat. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey on, hold on, hold on. You might wanna pump your bricks a little bit and talk to some of my teammates and ask them. That's 4.05 right there, Joe. Don't catch no, with no spotters and a suicide career. Don't catch no hurting out here trying to live no 4.05, man. Hey Joe, Joe, I was doing 4.05 when I was in the league, Joe.

I was squatting 6.50 when I was in the league, Joe. I worked out linemen, Joe. You can't squat 6.50 with a two-ply suit. Hold on, Joe. See, that's why I know you don't know. Have you ever been in a two-ply suit? Hey, Joe. Have you never been in a two-ply suit?

No, I only wear three-piece. Exactly. Joe. I know. We don't know nothing about that. Every time I say I do something, right, he never believed me until I had people that come on and play with me. Ain't nobody gonna come on.

I can call Chip. I can call Chip. Call Chip, call Ray. Chip or Chip Martin, he'll tell you. I know Chip. Chip's been involved for. I worked out with the linemen. All I know, pound for pound, when I was in the league, I was the second strongest player.

I was 225 pounds with a maximum 470. You was the second strong player on your team maybe. No in the league bodyweight pound for pound. Man. Hey, you did that with no, with no spot man. No, I know. Baba. Hey, he played, listen, it was probably elevated. They probably had some help.

Hey, you see, pull it back. You can see what's back there. You can see what's back there. Hey, you see these on, I take it down slow control on Joe by myself. Hey, look, touching my chest. That was a bitch. Hey, that's a, that Joe, by myself. Hey, look, touching my chest. That is a bitch. Hey, that's a magic trick. Hey, look, look, I got to see that for myself.

That's it. That's my a Joe. That's a joke. That's a that. I mean, OK, yeah, yeah. A chat. That's a I don't know. I don't like that. That's what the chat, the chat. No, I ain't gonna lie to you. They're no bus and squad way for me. Why? I ain't I ain't saying I ain't gonna say a lie to you. That's what the chat, the chat? No, I ain't gonna lie to you. That ain't nothing but some squad way for me, boy.

I ain't gonna sit here and lie to you. I ain't even try to get under there and live no four or five. Boy, please. Hey, Joe, it ain't that hard, Joe. He just look like that. You know, y'all got, you know, football players have different bills from basketball players. For sure.

I do, Joe, look at me, Joe. Here you go, here you go, here you go. Here's my heart. Hey, I'll tell you what, Ocho, give me six weeks. What you gonna do in six? What you, what you, you, give me six weeks. What you talking about? You wanna do, Ocho, you really wanna do this?

You know I work out every day. No, I'm saying you really wanna do this. Whatever to do this you know I work out every day on no I'm saying whatever you're gonna do I work out every day I ain't played football in 12 years I work out every day like I'm fitting hello you think it's been since I played football damn you think I'm retired yesterday I'm there I'm gonna tell you I work out every day like I'm fitting in a phone call you just never know I guess in case I've, I work out every day like I'm finna get a phone call. You just never know. That's the case. I've been retired 22 years. Okay. Okay.

With double hips. What you wanna do? I mean, what you wanna do? You know what, Ocho? I'll beat you, I wouldn't even put my feet on the floor. Man, listen, six weeks, what you wanna do? I can hold my feet up too, what you think? Ocho, Ocho, I'll beat you with my feet up like this here. I can do my feet up too. What you think? Hey, Uncle. Uncle, I'll be, I'll bend you

and my feet up like this here. I can do, I can do the same thing. Uncle, I'll bend my feet up. It's all about, it's all, hey listen, Uncle, it's all about core at that point. Hey, listen, I got that. I got that. Hey, you see how I bend my feet?

That's all because I bend my feet on the bench with you. All right. I want to, I want to know what's up with this six week challenge. What you trying to do? Because I love, I love a good competition. I ain't wasting my time with you. All right. I wanna know what's up with this six week challenge. What you trying to do? Cause I love a good competition. I ain't wasting my time with you man. That's what I thought. Cause you know what's up.

You know one don't smoke with me. You know better. You know what's the line. Don't let him get your blood pressure up, Ocho. Hey no, I'm good, Joe. Joe, I'm good, Joe. But when it come to competing, can't nobody see me in nothing. I don't care who it is or what it is. And Joe, this is what I do, Joe. Joe, I'm good, Joe. But when it come to competing, can't nobody see me at nothing.

I don't care who it is or what it is. And Joe, this is what I do, Joe. Bad. Ocho, I don't even really lift like that no more, Ocho. But for you, man, Lous is flying over there. Yeah. Who you? I mean, Ocho, you can't even do 315.

How you gonna tell me what I can do? I'll do it tomorrow before my flight. I'll do it before my flight tomorrow to show you. Hey, lifting weight ain't nothing to me, huh? Hold on, I'm trying to think. Hold on, where we going? Listen, let me finish. I've been pushing weight since the 80s. I've been lifting weight since the 80s.

Alright, alright. Bye. Oh, don't forget, Joe, been living with all right now. All right. All right. All right. All right. Huh? Oh, hey Joe, Joe, I done it all, Joe. Why was a mule for the cartel, Joe? What you talking about? This what I do. Hey, look at this.

Look at that. Let me put it in the camera for you so you can see. Joe, you see that? That's 30 inches, boy. That's 30. What is it? That's half inches, boy. That's 30. That's half of that.

Hey, I don't know about y'all. I haven't been wasting my time. Hey, Joe, I took a nap today, Joe. Yeah, I tell. I took a nap today. You must be had something to drink to say you could out, you could out bitch me. I ain't drink nothing but this Avian. You is spiked with something. Mellow responded to Michael Beasley's challenge

to play one-on-one. I'm not losing one-on-one game, bro. I've never lost a one-on-one game. I'm not saying I'm going out there playing. What I'm saying, I got ridicule for doing this ish. At the highest level for being a one-on-one in. Joe, our DMs are flooded with people telling me to ask you if you'd beat Mellow one-on-one. I mean, I think I'd beat anybody. Okay me to ask you if you beat Mellow 101.

I think I beat anybody. Okay, Ochoa, I think I beat anybody. Here's why I tell y'all, I think the one-on-one game is very different versus, you know, playing in a five-on-five setting. You have isolation. Yeah. You know, one-on-one at the top, at the top. That's how you got the name, Iso Joe. Hey man, I've been doing this name I so Joe hey man I've been

doing it for a long time now I've been doing it all the time you got do they not do they not understand what I but you but you know you know it's athletes may everybody feel like you know they they they can't be beat but I tell you what I tell y'all what's gonna happen I think all these matchups I do think they gonna happen I think they they may happen under you know different conditions meaning you know we're gonna have to get it together, you know, get the sponsors right, you know, but they definitely probably more than likely gonna happen for sure. Because I know the fans want to see it. Look, anywhere I go, since we brought this topic up, or since Lance and Beasley has played, this is all the talk has been about. So I know the people, I know the chat wanna see it, I know everybody wanna see it,

so I'm sure it's gonna happen. Yeah, I think that's dope too, a different dynamic, for those that are playing in a structured environment, five-by-five anymore, and have competition, a one-on-one competition, and it's something that can continue to, this can be big. That's what I'm saying, Ocho, that's all I'm saying. It can become very can continue to, this can be big. That's what I'm saying, Ocho. That's all I'm saying. It can become very, very big.

And somebody sitting on the meal tickets, somebody sitting on the golden oose, a golden egg, whatever you want to call it for NBA players. And this can also falter into other sports too. What? When you talking about one-on-one sitting. Yeah, one-on-one sitting. They can, listen, one setting? Yeah, one on one setting. They could, listen, it could be football,

it could be basketball. I'm not sure if there's anything else outside of that that would be interesting to us culturally that people would want to see, but football and then basketball would be really, really good. I know everybody wants to see these basketball matchups, man. And they gonna, it'll be fun. It'll be interesting as well.

It's something I'm very intrigued about. So it's gonna happen. We gonna do it for the culture. We gonna do it for the fans for sure. You gotta make some reverse now. We ain't just, hey, we ain't just getting out there just to see that. Hello, hello. There you go.

Hey. No, hell no. You gotta make, if you make dollars, it make millions. Here we go. Hey. Tyler Hero says he doesn't believe in history before 1950. I don't believe anything that happened before 1950, for real. Like, how do we know? When did Christopher Lumbers come to America? The land, whatever. They said 1492, how do we know?

I think the young kids just be saying stuff to say stuff. And we're in different area, Ocho. Everybody wanna have a viral. Everybody has a platform, everybody speak their mind. So it's a lot different now. And think about the Ocho guys, they taking history out of the schools. Oh yeah, yeah. Hey, who's idea was that?

That was Trump, huh? Changing the curriculum and stuff? Huh? Man, this is... Trying to erase history so we don't know things that happened before we were here? And that's crazy. I understand. I mean, I could, I could understand. I mean, I mean, did he got grandparents?

So they tell him something. I'm sure his grandparents was born before 1950. He, he, he from Tyler, he wrote it out from the crib. Is he even Miami? No, no, I don't know where he from, but I mean, so anything that his grandparents tell him, he don't believe. His grandparents were born before 1950. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Let's talk about this trade. The Memphis Grizzly sent Desmond Bain to the Orlando Magic for KCP, Cantavious-Carlwell Pope, Cole Anthony. Four.

One, two, three, four. Unprotected first round picks and a pick swap. Hold on. I don't think y'all heard me, P-Bell, cause I ain't get the reaction that I thought I was gonna get from you. One, two, three, four. Unprotected first round picks and a pick swap. Yeah.

I mean, when you do something like, are you blowing it up? Are you going to get rid of Ja? Are you going to get rid of Triple J? I mean, what's going on? What's going on, Joe? Man, that's what it looked like. I'm like, man, they gave up a lot. You know, to uh... For Desmond Bane! Yeah, they gave up a lot for Desmond Bane, man. But, I mean, I don't know what Memphis got going on over there.

I don't know what they plan on doing. Uh, maybe they will get rid of Jai and JJ, but I'm like, why? If you do that, then what you banking on? What you, I mean then what you banking on? I mean, what's gonna be your draw? You know what I mean, fam? You get rid of them? Yeah.

I look at it like this, right? I look at it like this, right? If I'm GM, I'm looking at it like, if I wanted to start a team, right, obviously I'm gonna pick the guy that I wanna start the team with. I'm gonna pick a five, man. to start the team with. I'm gonna pick a five man. But if there's anybody else that you need as like a shooter, a good guy,

a guy that can just get you points from from nowhere. I honestly think he's an upgrade from Kyle. Well, if we're being honest, you know, if we're being honest, he's done it in the regular season. He's done it on. Oh, you say he's an upgrade on the KCP. Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Right, right. And I think Memphis also needed a guard

who can bring up the ball, you know, who can go get his own bucket. I like that. They also needed some locker room press. I like that from KCP, right? I don't like the picks, right? But we, it's been so up and down in the NBA and Luca Dodgers gets up one first round, a guy gets three first rounds. So you just don't know the scale of, of how

they negotiate with the picks. And you see Rudy Gobert go for four first round picks. Yeah. But Harry, go ahead man. Go ahead. Yeah. It's just hard for know. Go ahead, man. Go ahead. Yeah, it's just hard for us to know, like, what's actually been saying in those conversations. So, like, we can look at it like, man, what the heck?

What's wrong with y'all? How y'all giving up that much, right? To the naked eye. But I don't know. It might have been the deals in place before. We don't know if it's, you know, it's so much with this business that you really need to know. But I thought Scottie Pippen Jr. played well for Memphis last year.

When John was down, I thought he played well, P-Bear. Yeah, I think you keep him and you get cold. Yeah. Right. I don't think you can. As many ball handlers and playmakers you can have. You know, I think that's a good look. I think Luke Kennard is up for contract. I think he's free agent. Right.

So I mean, that's an open position that's, you know, they're just telling you they might not want to bring Luke Canard back. So, you know, I think I like it with the presence with KCP of Winner who's done it before, someone that can be in Jive. I like Jared Jackson, JJ and Jive still together, you know? So we'll just, I like eating, you know what I'm saying?

We'll just have to see how it goes. I think, I mean, I'm looking at this. I'm like, what message? I don't think they got better. I don't, I don't think they got better with this trade. I don't think Memphis, they're still ninth seed for the play in. With the move they made today, they're still in the play in. Yeah.

I don't look at them, okay, with this move right here, now they're top five, they're top five, top four seed. I don't look at it like that. You think they're top four, top five seed right now, people? Now you got to think this is the same team that that fired Taylor Jenkins. So you, you got to come here thinking that sometimes maybe they don't, they don't think the right way at all. You know, you know what I'm saying? So you got gotta understand like,

oh man, this is the same organization that fired a phenomenal coach. You feel me? They been in the headlines with John Moran and this, this. They been in the headlines more than the Hollywood team. You know the Memphis. Uncle was there. Well, unfortunately I was there, P.

But yeah, as a matter of fact, you was on the team. Yeah, you was there too. I said, I checked on him and said, Uncle, good. I'm cool. I'm like, yeah. You say, hey, you say, hey. Oh, let that go, man. Let it go, man.

They own some bulljay. Them young boys, they like that. Let it go. Let it go. So like, they've been in the news more than the Hollywood team. So like, you know, you always have to question any move they make. Hey, look, you see them trading John in Triple J? Man, I can't see that.

I know the rumors been spreading around, but man, John is star power. He's box office. I think a lot, I think they lean, I think they putting more pressure on him to be elite, to be one of the top guys in this league. And JJ, like, you got two great pieces who work together. I don't know why you would trade that and what you would give back for it, you know what I mean? That would be comfortable to what, you know, they give.

So, I don't see them trading them. I think they looking for Jai to take that next step and, you know, be elite in this league, be one of the top elite guards, man. That's how they're gonna be able to contend. I think Joe's phenomenal. He just can't stay, he gotta stay healthy though, Joe. I think that's why they got them other guards.

That's why you bring in Cole Anthony. You keep Scottie Pippen because of his injury history. But if you're gonna keep him healthy, I think... Oh, he's phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah. He's phenomenal. And besides, I mean, you get rid of him, who... Look, there are very few big bands that people

have ever come to see. So they come to see small, they come to see Guards, they come to see LeBron's and Kevin Durant's. They come to see Steph Curry's and James Harden and guys like that. I mean, look, Triple J is phenomenal, but people ain't gonna be lining up to see Triple J and Zach Eady, I'm sorry.

Hey, Pete Ben. Yeah, nah. You know, this is a star-driven league, bro. You know what I mean? He got commercials, this, that, and the third. Like, he got a shoe. Yeah. He got his own. Nah, he the culture. He the culture. Just looking for him to take that, and the third. Like he got a shoe. Yeah, he got his own. Nah, he the culture.

He the culture. He's just looking for him to take that next step, man. Be a little bit more disciplined in the things that he doing off the court. Hold himself accountable and come in and help get that franchise back to their winning ways. Yeah, cause he the chief of the Y. Oh man.

Oh yeah, all the Y. All the Y.A.s love him. They love him to death. Oh, yeah, all the YNs love him. They love him to death. Yeah, him and MP Youngboy, they love them. They can't do no wrong. They can't do no wrong. He got the culture. He just got the energy.

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. See what they feel like is bad for the public eye? Like Pete Bell said, these YNs, they loving it. You know what I mean? They love it. They love it. They love to see Mac like that. But here's the thing, bro.

Do you understand how much money you cost yourself? That's what I'm talking about. You make a big money. Hey, you get suspended for 20 games. Hey, P-Bam, come on now. 20 games, that's probably three, that's two, three million dollars, four million. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm gonna tell you who Matt, Jen Jackson Jr. Oh, man, cause yeah, oh yeah, he calls himself 100 mil. He may want him all in the game. They talking about your homie cost them all that money, LeBron James. How? They say LeBron, and LeBron don't get that position, they say that's what should.

JJJ's spot, and he get that 350. But here's the thing, does anybody think Triple J outplayed LeBron this year? No, not even close. Not even close. But see that's the thing. In my mind, I'm thinking like, bam, they gonna gave it to LeBron for 20 years,

at least give me, you know, so I feel it both ways. And the thing is is that you can't win. They said, okay, we want this. Okay, now you got writers that's gonna decide how much money you actually make. Because- Yeah. Ain't that wild? Team, second team, third team, first to second team, all NBA MVP.

You're right. Hey, look. It's a cold game. It's a cold game. For me, man. first to second team all NBA MVP. You're right. Hey, look. It's a cold game now. It's a cold game for me, man. It used to be the players voted, but they say, man, y'all got favorite teams. You got your players X, Y, and Z.

So they say, you know what? Let's turn it over to the writers. They turn it over to the writers. Bro, you ain't gonna, somebody gonna be disappointed because the season that will average 50 and 25 he didn't win the MVP So up until 1980 players voted for the MVP. Yeah, they said nah, man, man Y'all be buddy buddy. Y'all be hanging out the all-star game. Y'all cool. So you vote for your buddy Okay, they said I'll tell you what we go take it out now the riders got it now what you want to do

Somebody got a boat somebody got to win MVP beb somebody got to be first Somebody got to vote. Somebody got to win MVP, be up. Somebody got to be first, second team, all ABA. Somebody got to be first to second team, all defensive. So, and got to win these awards. So what's the way that you guys, you guys played in the league? How would you like to see that handle? I like, I like, I like has been handled. Like, and I, and I, I think that once, once you kind of understand and the older you get

that basketball is a huge business and Carter basketball being a business is, is it's partly entertaining also, right? It's entertainment. It's fans being entertained by guys shooting threes guys and you know, doing called crazy dumps. So what, once I kind of found that out and I used to steal stuff from like pay. Okay, cool.

I see Tony Allen throwing up first thing. Okay, cool. Anytime I get a big stop, I'm gonna throw up first thing. Right? And right, that'll trigger people to be like, oh, you think first thing that gets to go on, media has to go with it. Right?

So I get to play the game. Now I don't, I'm not, I haven't been at the luxury to, you know, see 350 million people that compete, I haven't been at the luxury to, you know, see 350 million people that compete. I haven't been in that luxury, but I know the small things I did. So ain't no telling what guys out here doing. Probably guys probably sending wine bottles, all types of stuff. There is a thing, people, but before you go, Joe,

is that if Memphis, if JAW take care of it, now they're on television more, and now people see them more. Yeah. See, LeBron's on, the Lakers, they got 40, 42, 43 televised games. So you go see LeBron, you go see Luca, you go see Jason Tatum, you're going to see a lot of these guys, but in Memphis, it's contingent. So when Ja's there and they're playing well, Memphis, we used to see Memphis and we see Ja be a second team.

We see J Triple J be on all the NBA selections. But when you're out of sight, look, I only got so bad. Look, I'm, I'm following the team. A lot of these people are beat riders. Everybody's not, and they're all these games. Everybody ain't watching everybody play. It's not like the NBA. I mean, excuse me, NFL. All the games come on Sunday. You got some playing Wednesday, they got some team playing Tuesday, they got some team Thursday, they got... So I can't... Hey, I can't keep up with everything, P-Bell.

Hey, listen, I think with Jan Jackson Jr., P-Bell, for me, is like, he hang his hat so much on offense nowadays, and I think he need to go back to being that mean defensive presence. I don't know if he can lead the league in blocks anymore with Wimby being in the NBA, but... No, he ain't gonna win. He ain't gonna win. But, ain't nobody, ain't nobody, ain't nobody for the Wheaton League win the block title with Wimby there.

Hey, listen, when he got to hang his hat on defense You know his officer game or come, you know If he let his defense fuel his offense versus just standing out there at the three-point line, you know Shooting a lot of threes. I know he got a nice little bag, you know with him Offensively, but they need his defensive presence for them to be effective in it in their wild wild west for them to be effective in that wild, wild west. Hey, he said that. So we played him in a playoffs when I was in Minnesota. And he was in the next year, he wanted to kind of work on his offense. And his switch was, okay, if I focus all on my defense, I'm gonna end up in foul trouble. He led the league. He led the league in fouls also.

So his thing was like, I'm gonna balance it out. I'm gonna go a little bit more offense. Just to, you know, I ain't gonna put all my energy on defense. I'm gonna put a little bit more of my energy on offense to kind of balance it out. Cause when he was all defense, he was fouling out everything. The problem you're gonna have is that they've made the all NBA team positionless. So now you might have five, six, seven, eight, 10 fours or threes or guards. So it's not like we gotta have a five, a four, a three, a two and a one. So, cause you look at the second team,

I mean, you look at all, I mean like, damn. And so now you really ain't have, but Yolkage was the only center. And there was no Joe L&B. Cause you know when Joe L&B come back healthy he get one of them spots But he never gonna play enough games in those spot. That's right. You might be right You gotta play 65 Lot of people yeah. Yeah, so that's why I'm saying for me It's like I felt like it's kind of you know, it's kind of easy for him to crack in there cuz this is a lot of these

Top guys, they're not gonna play enough him to crack in there Cuz this is a lot of these top guys They're not gonna play enough games to even be qualified for any of these awards, you know what I mean? So if you keep himself healthy, I say a solid 22 23 game about 12 rebounds You know a couple blocks man that'll put you right there Hey, you know Be a 19 11 guy with three blocks with two and a half blocks That's the best you could do because if you put 20 points 22 points a game that takes too much away from his defense Oh, oh, you just gave away bangs. How much bangs average he average 20 something, right? Yeah bangs average about 19 20

Hey KCP and and and the mother guys come hold Anthony. Hold it They're not gonna they're not gonna be putting up points like that. Now they're gonna have some games where they're gonna be lights out, but for the most part, I'm saying to be consistent. You know, he has to be consistent on a night-to-night basis. That's basically what they're gonna be looking at. Hey, you gotta work. Hey, gotta get tight in them handles up, P-Bab. You gotta be able to put that thing on the plug, get to that spot. Man, anybody get in his ass to the block, left block, right side.

Look at him. 100 block, right back. Look at him. 100, left hook, 100 right hooks. Because, hey look, how many Bigs we got in the league, unk, who can tell? They ain't really none. It ain't about four, five, up. When you talk about true, I'm talking about like, a Yocitch and a Embiid.

I mean, theoretically they list Yannis as a Big, and LeBron and JT and all that, but Evan Mobley, Jared Allen. But when you really look out to my like big bigs that play big. I mean, Triple J right now. That's what I'm saying. AD. Yeah, now AD healthy. Hey, with AD healthy.

Yeah. So you got Jokic, you got Embiid, you got AD, you got Yannis. So that's four, that's four, four is right, the four is a five. You could take Yannis, Yannis done made first in the last eight years. He was going to take him off the dust. He's going to be on that. He's definitely going to be on that. He's going to be on that.

And Yocic, it's going to be hard for somebody to unseat him cause he going to have a dab there after the triple double. This team got to win. This team got to win. This team got to win. They have to win. That's it. They got to win.

Did the, did the Bane trades expose how badly the Mavericks botched the Luka deal? The Mavericks, the Lakers gave up one first round pick for Luka. The Mavericks gave up four first-round picks and a pick swap um Pebe they got AD in return AD ain't no slouch. Oh Okay, you know slouch. He can play like he all star caliber guy if he gets way up Right, but if you have been they treated the dead Dezma Bay like he's an all-star I mean, they treated the death of a Bay like he's an all star with four funs, round picks, unprotected.

Normally people have you like, okay, they got some protection. Okay. Top five protected. They like, nah, nah, ain't nothing protected. We all out everything out. Right. Emma pick swap that kind of reminds, that kind of reminds you of the Clipper deal done to PIP when they gave with the get shape.

Hmm. Yeah. That kind of reminds you of the Clipper deal done to Pimp Bill when they gave him to get Shay. Mm. Yeah, I was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was there for that one. Yeah, I was there. I thought, and looking back on it, I thought for a minute, like, yeah, we won this trade easy. Yeah, so you, hold on.

Were you there with Shay? He was my rookie. Well, y'all keep forgetting that. Why you think he a dog? Huh? So, so did you, did you see, okay, obviously he was a lottery pick, but did you think he could turn into this? I told him, I told him the third day of training camp,

I tapped Lou, me and Lou sitting down, I tapped Lou. Hey, hey, Lou, hey, he cold., I tap Lou, I, hey Lou, hey, he cold. Lou say, yeah, he different. I'm like, no, no, no, no, Lou. He, I get up from Lou, you don't hear what I'm saying. I go right to say, hey, say, how good do you think he can be? You know, he from the six, so he talk like,

he talk different than, he's like, I mean, I think I can be like, like, no, no. That's how you, that heavy ass boy be like, like, that heavy boy. I'm not you. You, you, you a superstar. You mean like all star? I'm like, no, no, no, no superstar. Like Mike Jordan, coach Ryan Hugh, like, like he seriously. So fast forward, you know, after his mom out shopping and while, you know,

while we planned Toronto and she's like, man, thank you for telling my son that like you gave him that confidence. After you said that, he really believed it. People always forget, same with my rookie. Same with my rookie. Yeah, he's next year, he went with Chris Paul on the Dennis Schroder, respectfully. Everybody gotta get their groove from somewhere else,

but nah, same getting that ball in the playoffs when we was playing Steph Curry. Hey man, get Steph 30, what are you doing? When you pass me the ball, go get Steph 30. The kill out. Hey, hey look, but when you look at it, RMP Bev, certain things happening throughout guys career, they kind of help take them to that next level.

You know what I mean? Him getting traded from the Clippers, you never know how he was thinking. Even he was thinking like, man, they ain't think I was good enough. So yeah, of course, of course. So now- Every now somebody get rid of you. That's what they're telling you So so so now he in the lab working hard as ever, you know, probably showing proof like I don't show him I don't know if he if he expected himself to reach this level

Well, man, we could it's been it's been special to watch. It's been special But man, it's been special to watch. It's been special. Nah, what I see him the next year, in layup line or something, he was like, man, that trade. I was like, yeah, man, what you think of? He's like, man, what you mean? You don't trade me for him.

You know, like talking about Paul George. I'm like, yeah. And to be a second, third year guy, like saying that shows you how much confidence they have. But I think it happened. I think it happened later. I think it happened later. I think it happened when they got rid of Dennis Schroeder and C.P.

and they put the ball all in. Yeah. Right. Because that's when you kind of think like that 19 point, 20 point got up there. Like when it once once they like clean house and like made him the primary ball handler and go to him, everything, everything, everything. Trash just there. So I think that was a, that was a, that was you have to, again, Sam Precious.

That's a, that's a, that's another one of Sam. And I think we both get why the Clippers had to do this. You get in Kawhi. Kawhi is basically saying, well, if y'all don't do this, I'm going to go with the Lakers. Do y'all really want me, LeBron and AD? And then y'all got a cup, Pat Bell, that wouldn't have worked that well for y'all, man. I know, but we only, in our mind, you got to think, we just took, the year before,

we just took gold in the state six games with Kevin. So in our mind, we thinking like, man, we just need one more person to be cool. So they was shopping, KD might come. There was a thoughts that Kawhi might come. We didn't think Kawhi and Paul George would come. You know, so for us, we looking like, oh man, we got a real chance to win a championship.

And that's when, you know, things, you know, the bubble happened and the three one happened and injuries happened. And next thing you know, you know, Shay is the MVP and he's in a championship game up three two right now. The Volume. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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