Club Shay Shay - Nightcap NBA Recap - Part 2: KD Trade Watch Continues + Mavs Leaked Draft Plans

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Recap the best NBA topics of the week as Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Suns not committing to trading Kevin Durant to his preferred destination, Mavericks accidentally leaking their draft plans, and much more!01:41 - Suns not committed to trading KD to preferred destination27:00 - Knicks still linked to Jason Kidd40:55 - Mavericks leaked plans for 1st overall pick?43:00 - LaVar Ball pushing for LaMelo trade to Clippers(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Another day, another KD trade watch. The Suns reportedly aren't committing to trading KD due to one of his preferred landing spots, Miami, Houston, San Antonio. All no state income tax. You get it? P-Vell, I'm gonna come to you first. Joe, let me ask you this.

Has KD earned the right to choose his landing spot? Man, yes. Yes, that man is an all-time great. He's done nothing but play hard. Now, everybody, you know, chastises him about his leadership, but do love the hoop, man. He love the game. So you know what you're gonna get from him. P-Bev, you know what you're gonna get from him. He's gonna be efficient from the floor. He's gonna be the easy money sniper. The game comes easy to him. Now help him out.

You know, it ain't like the places he asked and they ain't got talent that you can get some guys back in return where you can still be competitive. You'll be better than what you were last year. You ain't make the play in last year. You trade him to San Antonio or Houston. I feel like you can, Houston, you can get some good comparable pieces to where you still be in contention. You can at least make the playoffs.

I'll say that as this, we've seen, we've seen KD, we've seen KD at all, I mean, since I've been in NBA, I don't know, 13, 14, 15 years, whatever, right? We've seen him in places where when he's happy. Right. And I mean, happy like that. It's a great team. It's not a circus running around. He plays elite basketball. Right. When he goes to places where, you know,

and bring the Brooklyn Nets scenario and, you know, this and that. I'm not saying it wasn't the league ball. I'm just saying like it was just a little harder. His teams were not as good, you know, like, so I think you get Katie, you get him in that, you know, one of those teams, he's obviously, he went to the University of Texas, no state taxes, you know, so people love that.

People don't play in somewhere in Texas. You played in Houston. So when you get him. And you played in LA. I'm in my Houston house now. Yeah, I'm in my Houston house now. Yeah, I'm in my Houston house now. Yeah. So like when you get, when you as an athlete, we all know when you get to somewhere, it's a fresh start. You got a lot of young talent.

You got a, you know, you're not beefing with a coach. Like we don't know the dynamic with him in a coach. Like you got something new. You got a coach that you believe in. Your game goes to another level automatically. You know, so I just think that's kind of the situation that he was in. It sounds like some things that, you know, I wouldn't say promise to them, but, you know, as far as how they want to win.

And then, you know, you get the coach who, uh, Booth and Hoser, who's not, not for everybody, right? He's not for everybody. He does think his particular way and it works. He's won a championship. It works right Right? So you can't blame him. But we see that, you know, that fit, it just didn't work. It just didn't work. But for Kevin, you said something very interesting. You say when there's not a circus,

Katie played his best basketball once he left OKC at Golden State, because all he got to do was hoop. Yeah. So you go to Brooklyn, they're counting on you. They want you to to lead even though you want to just who they want you to lead you go to Phoenix Now you and Devin Booker should have to lead you see you got clay you got step you got Draymond I get to be a bad really truly I can lead sing but I kind of like being in the backup I kind of like doing back with our background vocals, right? So I don't know because now at this point in time, now guys, everybody that gives Kevin Durant, they look at him as a hired good. We're

bringing you here to get us over the hump. That's why they gonna get him. So the expectation wherever he goes is gonna be expedient. He goes to Miami. Miami is expected to be able to compete for a title. Now it's been reported Mark Spears says, Kevin Durant was interested in joining the Knicks as well, but the Knicks were not interested in pursuing him. Now I don't know how true it is,

but Mark Spears seems to be a reputable reporter, and I haven't heard anybody come out and say, Mark Spears, Mark J. Spears doesn't know what he's talking about. All I can just go by is what's being reported. And Mark J. Spears says he wanted to go to the Knicks. Now, when he had, we was a free agent, the Knicks really wanted Kevin Durant. But he bypassed them and jumped over and went to Brooklyn.

Now, he was at OKC. Probably OKC say, nah, we good. So wherever he's going, the pressure is going to be what he felt when he went to Golden State because they like, hold on. They got Steph, they got Clay, they got Draymond, they won 73 games the year before. They just lost a 3-1 lead with Kevin Durant. It should be a breeze. And it was. Yeah.

And maybe it became too easily. Maybe Kevin Durant says, my job is done here. What do you think about that? What do you guys think about that? I don't think Phoenix was a good team. If we're being totally honest, right? I don't think they were a team where they got Kevin Durant and you looked at their roster and you were like, they didn't need Bradley Beard.

Yeah. I don't think that was anyone's thought. I didn't think anyone thought that once Phoenix got Katie, that they were gonna win a championship. I honestly thought when they lost CP, they were gonna go down. That's who they should have kept. Since then.

Yeah, you know, so like that's my mindset, right? You obviously, you add a player like Bradley Beal, who's, you know, phenomenal talent, dealing with injury. But when he plays and he's healthy, he plays well. You got this guy on ball defender. You got this guy at the three points a game, maybe five points on a game. I mean, they just wasn't getting the best versions of the players that we're accustomed to. That's what you play them out of position. I understand Devin Booker can play. He's not a point. He's a two.

There are a lot of these guys that are saying, oh, they got the position, they got PG by the name. They're two guards masquerading, P-Belf. Devin Booker is not a point. He played his best basketball when CP was there. That's the best basketball we've seen, and they got to a championship. They should have kept CP3.

I'm not saying you gotta pay him 25, 30 million dollars, but I'm saying you keep him. You didn't need Bradley Beal. If you can't get enough scoring from Kevin Durant and Devin Booker, well, I don't know what to tell you. Because in the process of getting Devin or Bradley Beal, you give up all your depth. The reason these two teams that are in the finals,

Indiana and the OKC, what? Depth, bitch. Yeah. That's how they beat all the teams. I honestly think if they, I honestly think, I'm gonna be honest, I think they, they dropped the ball when they got rid of Deandre A. They got rid of who?

If we been A-ing. Deandre A. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Him and Monty couldn't get on. But now you see you don't got Monty or you don't got DeAndre. You know, coaches are revolving. Well you ain't got Bogle. You ain't got Bogle. You ain't got Bluton Holzer. You ain't got Monty.

You on your fourth coach in four years. Hey look. It's hard to see consistency and continuity when you're doing it like that P-Bell because that's a whole new system. He might coach one phase. Somebody coached him four or five. He might coach him four or five. He might coach him four or five.

He might coach him four or five. He might coach him four or five. He might coach him four or five. He might coach him four or five. He might coach him four or five. He might coach him four or five. Four years and look how I consistency and continuity when you're doing it like that P Bell because that's a whole new system He might cook a little bit of another way Yeah, and they looking for a five-man now think about because you'd be a look you think you think guys are easily Replaceable in this league and they not bro. They not look you give up CP who was a hell of an orchestrator And you know, he would have made sure Devin Booker and Kevin Durant got their points. Yes.

So I agree with y'all. I don't think Bradley Bill was a great fit because now you're trying to make sure all three of these guys get at least 15 or 20 shots a night and it just didn't add up to wins. And that's easy to guard. That's easy to guard. Okay, cool.

He go shoot 17, he go to 18, he goes to 22. All right. Cool. Got it. Stop one of them. Easy game point. Some in the sons organization believe Bradley bill will produce when Katie is gone for Jake Fisher.

There's a light, there is a likewise, some hope within the sons that moving Kevin to red could possibly present Bradley bill with a more offensive opportunity to produce in a manner you expect from a player with that sort of contract. As the Steinlein has previously reported, various candidates considering during the Sun's recent coaching search was asked, how would they try to get the best out of Bradley Beale if he remained a Sun? Hey, he gonna have to step up. If they get rid of Kevin Durant, Brad Bill definitely, he gotta step in that role.

And P. Bev, he gonna have to, he gonna need at least 22 to 25 points from him a night, man. But I trust that coach. I had that coach. I had that coach before. They got a really good coach. Jordan Ott, Coach Ott, he was the elite coach. And I mean elite, he's, his IQ on a,

offensively is so simple, but so like advanced and what he does defensively, he's one of the few coaches that can do both. I had him as a coach. Like we talk, like I have a text message right now from him. You know, Happy Father's Day. So like Coach Ott, he's a phenomenal coach. Don't sleep on him.

Well, hey, look, I don't know what kind of system he gonna implement, but they need Bradley Bill to be the guy who they got from the Wizards at 26, 27 a night. Now, I don't know if he can average that, but hey, look, they gonna need him to be one of them top guys on a consistent basis But he and Bradley be him and Devin Booker really the same person. I agree

That they need a Senate they need a Senate You had just went to the NBA finals you had Giondre Ayton, you had Mikael Bridges, you had Book, you had CP, you had Camden. Crowder. Yeah, you had a nice, and you blow that all up. You get rid of Ayton. For whatever reason, it seemed like Ayton and Monty was going back and forth. I don't know, but it just seemed like there was always

button heads on the sideline looking at it from the TV. I was not just watching it from a distance. It seemed like they was always button heads on the sideline, looking at it from the TV. I was not, you know, just watching it from a distance. It seemed like there was always button head, but you blow it up and you've had three coaches, you about to be on your fourth coach and for since they last won a title and you get Kevin and Rand, look at what you gave up. You traded McKell bridge, you can't adjust and draft picks. You drink, give up draft picks to get Bradley Beal. So, okay, you got three guys that can score,

but they gonna be stepping over, Kevin and Rad, not. But kind of Bradley Beal and Book, they kind of stepping over each other, doing the same thing. And you ain't got no doubt. You ain't got no big. Nurgat.

Less of me meant well. He ain't got no big, Nurgich. Lesby Metwille. Yeah, I think it might be a chess piece too, right? It might be a chess piece too. You look at these moves that guys giving up picks, like you get these big name guys and no, you can get picks back and not at picks back, you can get younger talent and assets for them too, right? Like we don't know what does Kevin Durant, we don't know what kind of.

Hall of a 37 with an injury history. Be bad. What you think? As you know, he wanted to leave. So now you can ask for more. You could definitely ask. Cause I know he wants to leave. If I know he wants to leave.

Okay. I, okay. I can ask for a whole bunch of more. Okay. Yeah. But I don't give it to you because he's 37 and he has an injury history. Is he a phenomenal talent?

Absolutely. There's a reason why he was on the 75th anniversary team. He's one of the great players in NBA history. But we can't ignore the fact, Pat Bell. He's 37 with an injury history. But you told us in the beginning of the show, you just said if if, if this player is coming to, if this, if this player is coming to your team, is he feeling, is

this Jared Jackson filling up? No. We said, no. Kevin Durant coming to your team. He is. Is he in the lineup that night? Cause he might be hurt. Who that?

Yeah. I think if you got him on a working day, then he's going to fill up. Because we know every organization he's been in, especially Brooklyn. He came to Brooklyn, he missed the whole year and missed that bubble year and half the year, then played to the following. So we get that. Phoenix, he got to Phoenix and got hurt immediately. He got Nick last year. Hey, look, I feel like he deal with them injuries, man, because of the workload that he gotta carry. I think he gotta carry too much of a workload.

Like you say, when he was with Golden State, all he had to do was just hoop. You know, he didn't have to do a whole lot of dirty work. You know what I mean? He get to Brooklyn, they expect a lot out of him. Absolutely. Offensively and offensively. And I think that puts him in a comparable situation

to where he's having to deal with injuries. I didn't think they needed James Harden. I didn't either, man. As great as the talent James is, it's just like, it's kind of like the situation in Phoenix. It's like you got overkill. You got three bona fide players, right? And you know what James can do. You know, he can go

get you 30 and 12 on any given night. But it's like you got too much offensive power and it just, it didn't add up. It didn't add up. It didn't add up the wins. And when you get, guess what you did, man? Guess what? You're dealt. Because when you train for James, because think about it, you got Kyrie and KD for nothing. They were free agents. They came and you didn't have to give them no compensation. You didn't have to give them no draft capital. You didn't have to give them no players. Now you get James, you got to give up draft capital

and you got to give up players to get him. Yeah. ["Drop the Beat"] When we played against that Brooklyn Nets team, they were so talented. I mean, that's the year James started to hurt too. So we really didn't really get to see the full potential of how that team looked all together. You know, we might've seen them together for a little bit of period of time. I think Kai got hurt that year. I think James got hurt. So we really didn't really get to see the best,

the best, the best form of it up. But when we played them, and I think I was with the Clippers, and we didn't really get to see the full potential of how that team looked all together, you know, we might've seen them together for a little bit of period of time. I think Kai got hurt that year, I think James. Yeah. So we really didn't really get to see the best, the best, the best form it up. But when I, when we played them and I think I was with the Clippers and we played them, it was nothing that we can do.

Like it was, it was so much going on at like, it was, it was, it was matchup problems over here, matchup problems on post matchup problems and picking roles, like it was so many matchup problems that it wasn't a lot that we can do, they it wasn't a lot that I can do. They just wasn't helping. Man. I bet you, what I, what you guys followed in bed. I followed, was it always like this?

Like the, the, the, the, the transcendent historically great players end up moving like this. Nah. Think about it. Katie was the LC, Golden State, Brooklyn, Phoenix, now he's about to be on his 15th. And two other teams, he's been trading. Three, so he got traded from Phoenix,

and now he's about to be traded from Phoenix to wherever he goes. I think that the sense of like, the money is obviously got. I blame the ring culture. Unbelievable. No, no, it's the money, right? It's the money and it's guys like you don't see a lot of guys back then using their voice. Yeah, they couldn't.

Everyone has a platform. They didn't have the empowerment like the guy now, P-Bill. Right now. So like now you can go and be like, nah man, he getting that, I want this. And if I can't get this, I'm gonna go to another team and go get it. Right? And you got guys that got relationships like,

hey bro, what you doing this summer? All right, cool. All right, we can do this, we can do this. So like you got guys that's working behind the scenes. That's like, okay, cool. They go maximize in what they should, right? In what they should. So like, it's just different now.

It's different times right now. I think it's more of a flex right right you see a you see a guy play on one team this whole career A guy like Steph Curry right guy like Drake Ma it's you know moving teams guys feel like okay I can win a championship over there change the coastal over there. I can win a champ show that it's more of a flex a little Bit I agreed. Hey then we look at the rent man He's such a polarizing, you know clear meaning he's always gonna have value You know what I mean? So it don't it don't matter where he's at somebody's gonna always want him on his team because his skill set is His second to none, you know a team can always use it you look and for me you look at it Who could use 26 20 points a night?

But look you look at it you look at Houston P bear who were the number two seed in this year's playoffs And they were a young team they struggle scoring the bat scoring the basketball especially. Yeah, rich you get Kevin Durant You know you you don't have them problems. You know what I mean? You know, you don't have them problems. You know what I mean? So, I know, I'm sure they're gonna get him traded. I just hope he goes to a situation to where, you know, it's comfortable for him and he's able to just hoop, play his game and be the easy money sniper

that we know he is. And if it's Houston, I think, look, he's Kevin Durant. The days are just hoopin' it over. He got that when he first got to Seattle for that one year and when he went to OKC. When he go to Golden State, ain't no more just hooping because the expectation is championship. Anybody that trades for Kevin Durant right now, P.B.F. and Joe, you know this. They expect championship. Because the one that's closing.

It's like a fair or whatever case you want to use. He's a seven foot scoring machine. He's efficient out of the yin yang. I mean, he shot, I mean, he had an off year shooting from the free throw line cups. He shot like 84, 85 percent, which is crazy. He's normally 89, 90. But he gave it 26, five and six. And so he goes to Houston. You know what that means?

They had the number two seed. They expect to go further. If he goes to Miami, you know what the expectations are when you go to Raleigh-led organization. So there's no place he can go that he's going to be able to rest comfortably because the expectations are going to fall in Kevin Durant. I think I think I think he can go to I go we talk about one in a million or billion chances of like there's only one a couple things that he could have went to and and and they underachieve right and one of them is Phoenix right new situation new coach your coaches going. Your coach is going, it's the first year,

you don't know how it looks. He could go to any other team though, and definitely take that team where it needs to go. And we're talking about contenders, right? He can go to San Antonio right now, unbelievable team. We'll say the team is a cheat code. He go to the Rockets right now, with the pieces they have, with the coaches they have.

Where are they gonna give up a Houston to get it? Are you look look? Yeah, I think Jalen Green would be one. I brought your bar Smith would be too. I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up. I'm not giving up. I'm in Thompson I'm not giving him up. No, no He's untouched, but I think you give up the goat those guys you name and you give up some 16 and 15 year old some I think you give up those guys you named, and you give up some 16 and 15 year olds. Some 2000, 30s, 31s. So 29, 30, 31 draft picks.

Right, some 15 to 16 year olds, you go. I mean, I do like, I like, let's see, Thompson, Shingoon, KD, Van Fleet. Not bad. Or Dylan Brooks. Yeah, not bad. Oh, Dylan Brooks. Yeah, not bad. See, now you got your blue collar worker guys and you got KD who will seamlessly fit right in and alleviate the pressure from those guys, especially in their fourth quarter. I just feel like that's a great matchup.

But I also like him going to San Antonio playing with Dianne Fox. Oh, Fox? Where's Binyan? Man. What? But they're gonna probably have to give up Castle. Yeah, you're probably gonna have to give up Castle. But you gotta give up something else, too, to make it work. I give up, hey, they got 100, like you said, Pat Bell, they got some seven-year-old picks

in there, too. They got picks all the way out of 2040, so. For sure, that's one thing we do know these teams have. They have a lot of money and they got a lot of picks. I tell you that, we know that. Well Pat Bell, we're gonna get you out of here. Make sure you guys go follow. Hey, no, no, wait, wait, wait. And you know you speaking about 101?

You know me and Joe playing, you know me and Joe, you know he went to Arkansas. I don't think you know the two John's. Tell the story, Pat Bell. I don't think it know the Joe Johnson. Tell the story, Papo. I don't think it's, you know, I don't mean to keep y'all still going on. No, tell me you gotta tell the story. Okay, so, you know, I went to the University of Arkansas,

like you say, alumni of where Joe Johnson is, right? And then during the time I was there, you gotta think, I'm probably like, you know, I'm freshman of the year, you know, I'm newcomer of the year. So all the accolades that I was there, you gotta think, I'm probably like, you know, I'm freshman of the year, you know, I'm newcomer of the year. So all the accolades that I'm getting, I'm really just, Joe Johnson got him before, right? I'm the only kid on the team that has like

any type of NBA stardom. So what Joe Johnson do? He come get me up, he take me up to his queen. He take care of me while I'm at Arkansas. He give me place in Little Rock to stay. He give me while I'm at Arkansas. He plays the Little Rocks of State. He give me, I'm talking about any time he got a free time, he come up to the school, that's a two hour drive. I get into the NBA, we play Atlanta,

I go right to his house all the time. Like his family is my family. Like you gotta think, Joe was really like big bro. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. The first dude who ever put me on. That's a message. Hey, I was in the league. He was in college.

He'd come over to the house. He'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't wait till I get to the league. Boy, I'm giving him. He's telling me one of them big bro's runs. I'm giving him one of them. Ooh, I got to have one of these two. I got to have one of these two.

He was like that. Hey, hey, he was geeking up the whole time. Look, we had a summer league back in the crib in Little Rock. And, man, I had him come down there, play with us, man, come out there, turn out the whole gym. Y'all know how he is. All them antics, picking up full court, talking stuff, the whole gas.

Oh, yeah, this what I need, that little pit bull right there. BELLAMY So yeah, Bill is like, he the one, he the one, Bill, he's like, man, you got kids? I'm like, yeah, I got kids. He's like, okay, you gotta feed your kids. So he really the one that like, I'm talking about, I'm with LeBron in Miami, got dinner. LeBron like, oh, everybody know you, you about to go,

you about to go with your brother, your brother. I'm like, yeah, yeah, you damn right. I'm talking about, I'm in his room, just looking around like, yeah. Yeah, I need that. That's what, hey, but you know what, guys? That's the greatest motivator to see it. Yeah.

Because like my brother went, and I go, there's a three car, I see a three car garage, and you hit, there's a Ferrari, there's a Porsche, there's a big body Mercedes, and you know, central heating, boy, to see that, I see, I know somebody that actually got that, oh, I heating and that. Boy, to see that, I see it. I know somebody that actually got that. Oh, I got to get that. Yeah. I need that.

I'm at his mama's house. I'm staying at his mama's house. Oh, his mama got poo. I got to get my poo. Get back on the couch. Anything. So shout out to Joe Johnson. If y'all ain't in the room, it's my floor.

Joe Johnson, pick part up. Appreciate that, bro. Appreciate that, Pat. Guys, y'all make sure y'all in the room talking to each other though. Joe Johnson picked part up. Appreciate that, bro. Appreciate that, Pat. Y'all make sure y'all go follow the Pat Bell podcast on social media and on YouTube at the Pat Bell podcast with Rome. It's on Barstool.

It's social media. Where are you on IG, Pat? Pat Bell 21, you know me, Pat Bell podcast with Rome. I see you had Dave on the- Yeah, boy, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He a good dude, he real smart. He real smart. He real smart.

Very, very. Very into it. Pat Bear, thank you, man. We really appreciate you coming on tonight. We know, you know, hey, we really, really appreciate you coming on, providing your expertise, breaking down this game, and talking about a lot of other topics.

Hey, you get a free time, man. Come on back. You're welcome anytime. I always am, man. Good to see you, bro. Always. Good to see y'all. Nah, bro free time, man. Come on back. You're welcome any time. Good to see you, bro. Good to see y'all. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. I'll be checking.

All right. Joe, there's still a possibility that Jason Kidd could join the Knicks per Ian Bagley. The door is not completely closed on the Knicks and Jason Kidd per people familiar with the dynamic in Dallas. Other outlets reported as recently as last week that Kidd was still a possibility and remains the case as of Monday. familiar with the dynamic in Dallas. Other outlets reported as recently as last week

that Kid was still a possibility and remains the case as of Monday. Teens were hanging up on the Knicks during their head coach search for shams. Teens would just hang up. Some would say no, then hang up. In other situations, the prophetic was involved. You know literally F no responses. Hey look, J.K. gonna keep the prophetic was involved. You know, literally, F no responses. Hey, look, J.K. gonna keep the door open now. Yeah. What is it, hold on, what is it the Knicks could offer the Mavericks?

To what? Get J.K.? Yeah. Y'all gonna give up OG? Y'all gonna give up OG? Y'all gonna give up McHale Bridges? Y'all gonna give up Mitchell Robinson? I need something. They gonna have to give up...

I don't know. I don't know what they can give up. You know, I know Dallas got that number one pick, and from my understanding, they hold known to that. Yes. You know what I know Dallas got that number one pick, and from my understanding, they hold on to that. Yes. You know what I mean? So I don't even know if this is really a job that J.K. really wants, to be honest with you.

I think he's better in the West with Anthony Davis and Cuba Flag and Kyrie. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I know it's going to take probably Kyrie a little while to come back, but I think you got enough pieces over there to keep your float until he back, you know, to somewhat of a hundred percent. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So I can't see, honestly, I can't see him, I can't see him taking that Nick job unless they offer him something that's kind of hard to turn down. Yeah. I mean, you going to put him up there with what, you know, uh Spostra or or Steve Kerr 17 million 18 19 million a year Shit, but you in New York compared to me. That's what I'm saying you ate that money that you get in Texas

With no state income tax man, New York cost you like 10% and that's what I'm saying So I don't I don't see him So I don't see him taking this job. But like I said, unless it's something that's kind of hard for him to turn down, I think he's kind of developed a nice little thing there in Dallas. And I'm sure he wants to try to get the mavericks back to the championship winning ways. You know what I mean?

What he's got, they really got a chance. Before we go to any other topics, we got to talk to Mr. 30 burger. Iso Jor dropped 30 points for the Detroit Amps 50. Casually pulled down 10 boards and reminded them... Look at that. Hold on. We're going to put it back up. Hold on, we're finna put it back up. Ooh, look, Joe hit it with the, ah, give me that. Big body. Yeah. Hey, get to your spots, man.

Hey, look, don't, bam, uh, uh, I don't love us, uh. Middies, post, uh, three ball, four point, but whatever you want, baby. Damn! Joe, you about to be a seventh or eighth man to the NBA right now, huh? Man, I, man, listen, they, y'all think I be talking. Y'all think I just be talking. Man, I can get somebody about 15, 15 minutes, 15, 20 minutes off the bench.

Yeah, I'll be, just give me 15, 20, 20 Joe 10. I'll give you more from 10 to 15. Yeah, I'll be fishing I'm gonna make plays. I'm gonna play the right way. Yeah But I'm gonna tell you something now this this once a week thing this this my type of this my speed though Okay, go like this That's easy I ain't gonna lie to you. That's easy on the knees, that ain't a hard joke. Hey, I ain't finna say anything to lie to you, you hear me? This once a week thing, hey, I can do this in my sleep.

Thank you, Detroit Amps social media team for providing us with these cold Iso Joe highlights. Make sure y'all go follow the Amps on IG, at Detroit Amps. And you get an opportunity to see Iso Joe. Who y'all play this week, Joe? We got the 305, we got Beasley and Lance Stevens and Mario, that could be a barn burner. It's gonna be some smoke. Hey, you see them boys game, you see that? Hey, man, Lance getting into it with Dwight,

I thought Dwight was gonna dump it, but then Lance like, they tried to talk Dwight out of his game, ain't it? Because Beasley stayed talking. Because he, I think Dwight is so polarizing and you know, you look at him in stature, you know, he's so big and strong. And to my understanding, they say he was talking

a lot of junk in Las Vegas at the Combine. You know, talking about how he was gonna come in and destroy the league and kill this and that and the third. So I guess some dudes took offense to it because they sure ain't let them off the hook. But hey, that was WWE right there. Oh man. That was the best.

Beasley, I'm like, oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah. Everything was borderline in that game. That game was so long, but it was borderline. But the competitive edge, it was there. I thought they competed at a real high level and you could tell, man, it was there. You know, I thought they competed at a real high level. And you could tell, man, it was just such a buzz throughout the whole arena, just the entire game.

Like, man, it was a good game to watch. I just, I don't really care for all the antics and all of the fighting and getting in there because the league ain't for that, bro. Like, we on national TV and we wanted to be you know a great game a great competitive game not necessarily guys wrestling throwing punches and there's I'm cool with the trash talking and all that but when when things get borderline and we throwing punches and we all on the floor man come on now.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know throughout the game meaning every time a guy scored you seen guys in each other face Shit, they were down there headbutting Hey, but what it's just two teams that was competitive and just trying to impose they will on each other and I just felt Things kind of got a little out of hand You think you think Lance and uh Lance and Dwight were serious?

Yeah. I think, I think in the midst of that game, in between the lies, they really had a real feud with each other. And you can tell everything was so physical, man. Like, let me tell y'all something. Check, y'all understand this, man. The big three is probably the most physical basketball

that I've been a part of. Yeah. Like, it's only, it's six guys out there, so you only got two other teammates who can help you, and a lot of stuff is borderline. The refs let you get away with a lot. It's far more physical than the NBA or any other, you know, basketball league that I'm ever played in.

So I'll definitely give it that, because I'm gonna tell you, I ain't gonna lie, I feel like I got into a fight with 10 men when I woke up on Sunday. I was like, yeah. I guess it's real business. A lot of bumping, grind, bruising. Like it's tough, bro, but it's fun at the same time. I just love competing.

You ain't gonna fall for Lance Antics, are you? Nah, nah, I'm way too intact for that. And then plus on top of that man When you got a lot of game, you ain't Got the idea. You gotta do all that talking Talk you out your game. Nah, yeah see and I think the white You know what he has to understand is, you know It takes a while to kind of really understand the three on three game, right?

But just like the late, great Bill Russell said, man, this game is about buckets. You got to be able to score the basketball. Right. Period, point, blank. You know, we going to 50. This ain't a time restraint, like, it ain't 10 minutes on the clock and you trying to hold the lead. The hardest part of three on three, especially in the big three,

is when you reach 40 points and you try to close the team out to get 50. Because guys start to get a little tight. Yeah, they ain't them little comfortable shots you was taking early and making, they ain't dropping no more because we didn't got them legs. Now you're a little tired, you know what I mean? And you're able to get away with a little more as far as physicality and kind of wrestling a little bit. So it's a lot tougher than what people think because you got to get to 50 but you got to win by two, right? You gotta win by two. Wow.

So let me ask you a question, Joe. What's the secret to dealing with a trash talker? Cause I'm sure there are a lot of guys at NBA that talk to about off, or he with us, self check, you know, whatever the case may be. How do you deal with that? How do you compartmentalize what Joe has to do and why all these guys are chirping to the benches like

Off shot or whatever chirping. How do you deal with that? You gotta go at the edge You can't sit back and let them you can't sit back and let them chirp or let them be aggressive Offensively man, you gotta take it to them. You know what I mean? Just like just like anything You got a guy who's being aggressive man. You gotta take it to him bro. This this one type of game is gonna be okay Let's go. Let's do it Yeah, do with a lot of trash talking in your game on Saturday It was a lot. Yeah, it was some trash talking, but it was mainly just good competition You know what I mean? It wasn't like nothing overly but you know You can see guys kind of get revved up after they score out they make a big play which is pretty typical

You know what I mean? Would you just keep it moving? But in the victory is not make it take it what I mean? But you just keep it moving. But in the big three, it's not make it take it, is it? Nah, it ain't make it take it. It ain't make it take it. So, you know, uh. You know, Joe, that's the way we used to play one on one, make it take it. Yeah, right.

Yeah, you don't even want them to get the ball back. Hey, exactly. If it was make it take it, you'd probably see a lot more lopsided games. You know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. Cause that's the whole thing. That's why you gotta shoot for it. Nah, thing. That's why you got to shoot for it.

Nah, give me the ball. Nah, we shoot for it. I ain't gonna give it to you. Right, right. Yeah, back in the day, we played, especially one-on-ones, it's make or take it. Twenty-one, yeah, I hope y'all ain't gonna even touch the ball. Yeah. I love twenty-one because it was every man for himself. And then, boy, you got the 19, the whole squad was going to be on you.

Hey, boy, you better hit a hero, you better hit one of them Steph Currys, because you would not go get nothing easy. Hey, look, and then you know at 21, you can't really call fouls. So you got 18, 19, you're trying to go for the winning bucket, they'd be fouling everything. Oh, no, there ain't no foul.

Exactly. Joe, do you think that when you first got into the league, You trying to go for the winning bucket. They'd be filing everything. I'm not a no fire exactly Joe do you think it was like when you first got into the league were there more trash talking when you first got into The league or when you was leaving it when I first got in see when I first got in I'm Came in at oh one, so that's kind of you know right after the 90s So you still got a lot of those guys. Oh, you got KG. You got KG, Gary Payton. Gary Payton talked to the refs and he demand like like they owe them money. You hear me? Some of the stuff I heard GP say to the refs, man, I can't even believe he didn't get text. Like, you know, it's like a conversation. But I'm like, wow, like anybody else, they gonna tee you up quick. So you had certain guys who just had that reputation and the refs knew it they respect it

It's almost kind of like Dreymon, you know, Dreymon get away with a lot, you know Absolutely a lot of stuff he does is borderline, but he get if he gets away We're far more than what they catch him with. You know what I mean? Yeah, so But I like Dreymon he's like, let me go and get that cuz I know they don't want to throw me out the game So they're gonna be real head. They don't I know they don't want to throw me out the game. So they're going to be real, they're going to give me a long leash before they throw me out the game.

So I'm going to push it right up to the, I'm going to push it up to the limit. Right. And if I'm doing it every game, you ain't calling it every game. You ain't going to call it every game. So they get him every now and then, but for the most part, you know, he get away with a lot. Well, y'all got to.

Oh, that's gonna be a good one. It is. Hey, you know, Beasley, you know, Beasley will be going at you, Joe. Oh, yeah. But I'm going to be going right back. Well, I don't know what y'all think this is. Yeah. See, the thing is, people say, and Beasley is a hell of a player, man. It's like, but at the same time, you got to make him work defensively. You can't let him sit and just be comfortable. You know what I mean? Right. Oh, yeah, it's gonna. It's gonna be a damn good game. I'm looking forward to it. Oh

That they come I see it. I better tune in I So Joe be ease first to 50 win It's gonna be a good one, baby The Dallas Mavericks accidentally leaked plans for the number one draft pick on their website. With the first pick, the Dallas Mavericks in the 2025 NBA draft selects... Cooper Flats. ...kept secret of the America. Right.

They ain't leaked nothing. We already knew what they was doing. Yeah, who the hell y'all think... Oh, we thought y'all go take somebody else. I Just I honestly I thought they was gonna probably trade their pig and then go get Katie but To my understanding they keeping it Yeah, yeah, I thought that yeah that would that you know, you want to y'all this

I mean I was like, okay. Hey, we got number one pick and another big. But I mean, you think about it, the Lakers, I mean, the Milwaukee, they traded Kareem, they traded Ray Allen. So trading Yonis wouldn't surprise you. Man, you can't even, do you know what type of team that would be with Yannis? You don't even, if the Mavericks got Yannis, I mean, without Kyrie, you would still be,

I think you would still be top of the Western Conference. At least top five. With Yannis. And so, and so you say if Yannis went to the, if Yannis went to the Mavericks and they had to give up Kyrie, so Yannis and AD? No, I'm saying if you traded that Cooper flag, Cooper flag, okay.

And you had Yannis and AD leading the charge into Kyrie... Man. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I'm talking about the next year or two, you could potentially win a title. LaBar Ball continues to push the LA Clippers to quit playing and trade for LaMelo. The Clippers bring those GD Ball boys home.

Let's go get a championship and quit messing around. All you fans who won a championship back in LA. Yes, a whole new arena with the Ball boys. Who ain't going to go up there and watch that show? Who are you giving up to go get LaMelo, man? Hmm. I don't know. They're not trading James Harden for it. They're not trading Kawhi and they're not trading James Harden for him.

They're not trading Kawhi and they're not trading Zubats. So you got Norman Powell, you got Dunn. I mean I'm trying to, what else? Nah man, the Hornets ain't doing that. Not for their young, talented guy. And I think the thing is maybe, look it's been proven. Lamello and Lonzo can play. I don't think Jello, Levar, will have to get that one up. That dog ain't gonna hunt. Oh, he's still trying to get Jello in the league?

Yep. Yeah, they say Jello got an old, new career now. He ain't studying that basketball. That man trying to come up with another hot single right now. Yeah, hey. He's working on it. Woo woo. That's a wrap. That's a wrap. Yeah, hey, hey. Swirly on them. Woo woo. That's a wrap. That's a wrap. Hey, look, he done found his niche.

Yeah. Got his niche. Yeah, I mean, to have two sons, I mean, hey, I mean, I guess it'd be great. I mean, because with the holiday, I think it's three holiday boys, right? Yeah, yeah. And they got them in there, but you know?

Hey, but look, I can understand him one, you know, Lamello in LA, obviously that's his hometown in that new arena. He'll be box office in there, but if you the Hornets, you can't do that. Yeah, he box office, but he's another one. Man, he got to do something with them ankles, man. His ankles might be worse than Steph Curry's. And you remember how Steph had ankle problems early in his career?

Yeah. Yeah. To try to keep them healthy, man. They got to try to find a way. They might, he might need to call Steph and see what type of braces Steph be wearing, man. Cause mellow man, every year, every year there's an injury going on. Just got to get him on that, got to get him on that mean, uh, fitness plan. Well his dad, his dad's his dad was a workout warrior. His dad played football. I mean, Jello got a body like his dad. If you look at Lonzo and Mello, they got the thin frame.

They don't have that size and that oomph like the dad had. Yeah, but I think Mello can get like that wire strength. I don't think he needs to get bigger. He just needs to get stronger. You know what I mean? Like we talked about the other night, you have to enjoy lifting. You have to lift weights to be able to make it

through an entire NBA season. You play too many games on a night to night basis and it wears your body down. And if you're not fueling your body, meaning lifting weights to keep your body strong, you're ultimately gonna deal with these little knickknack injuries. That's just what it is. Yeah.

So you got to get him on this main fitness plan, man. Get him right. He'll be all right. The Volume. This is an iHeart Podcast.