Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - NFL Recap Part 2: George Pickens traded to Cowboys; Pickens fit with Dallas

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Recap the best clips of the week as Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Pittsburgh Steelers trading George Pickens to the Dallas Cowboys. They react to Pickens fit in Dallas, what's next for the Steelers, and much more!01:43 - George Pickens found out about trade when everybody else did07:19 - Steelers db Elliot does not want Lazard to play on their team14:32 - Cowboys traded for George Pickens28:37 - Falcons fans upset Walker will wear number 11(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Business Week starting May 16th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But I really hope George Figgins figures it out. I mean, he's too talented to be bouncing around. You know, sometimes people give you grace. One of you, okay, wasn't the right situation, the quarterback. You go to the Cowboys, like, okay, but don't go anywhere else but the Cowboys. Now if the money, you know, you want more money, I totally understand that, but don't

have the issues that you had in Pittsburgh here in Dallas. That's all I'm saying. Like Deontay Johnson, like bro, you on three team ledger, something ain't right. So hopefully, because I agree with you, Ocho, I think he's too talented. He can run, he can catch, he's strong, he's physical, got great catch radius, great run after the catch, can high point the football. He can block when he wants to block. But the problem is a lot of these young receivers Ocho, they only see value in catching touchdowns or passes. They don't see value in clearing it out and let CD Lamb come in behind him and catch it. They don't see value in clearing it out

and let C.D. Lamb come in behind him and catch it. They don't see value in blocking and the running back instead of getting a 10 yard, he got a 50 yard touchdown. So you gotta find value in other things when you're not doing what the thing you see is valuable. He sees valuable is catching a bunch of passes, scoring touchdowns, but there's also value

in opening it up. So CD Lab and Jake Ferguson and maybe the third receiver gets a catch or a block that, you know, a guy could have got 10 yards, maybe you spring in for 40 or 50. You have to find other ways to bring value and to have value other than the thing that you think is valuable, which is catching passes and catching touchdowns. But I hope he gets it figured out because I do think he's immensely talented. I think he has a bright future, but don't squander this opportunity young man.

Don't squander it. I told you, I got him. He good. We didn't have the conversation. That's why after that conversation, I told you I had with him, we ain't had no issues since. Now, whatever the feeling. They ain't play no football since.

My point exactly. My point exactly. So what you think we? He ain't have no problems off the field. He's all part of the problems on the feeling. They ain't playin' no football since. My point exactly. My point exactly. So what you think we? He ain't have no problems off the field. He's all probably problems off the field. Oh, tell me, stay with me real quick, man. I want you to see. Now watch the George Pickens we get in Dallas.

Now I'm saying because if he went to goddamn Dallas, I'm part of Dallas too. Now watch what we get. Okay. So anytime you make a mistake, everybody make sure you come back and you blame me. It's my fault. I let y'all down. No, I mean, I don't care about, look, you're gonna make mistakes, but I'm not saying that ever. I'm talking about that. I'm talking about that too. All of it.

Because it's hard to tell if, you know, obviously, you know, sometimes the guy running the wrong route, the quarterback would like put his hands up and he's like, you know, he'll point to himself. That's really the only way you know, unless you know, you played in the offense and you know the route combination and what goes with what. A lot of times I see West Coast offense, I kind of, I'm pretty familiar. They might call the terminology something different now cause it's evolved since Bill Walsh, well, Paul Brown, that was Paul Brown's offense.

And then Bill Walsh expanded upon it and gave it the West coast offense. Um, it's expanded, but I have a pretty good general knowledge of teams that run that system, what the route combination, what, what it should look. And so I feel very comfortable when I say something that, that I'm correct to a fairly degree of certainty, but, uh, he can definitely help the Cowboys. Cowboys have been looking for a number two since CD got there. They had Gallup, you know, had a good year,

got the big contract. He just couldn't stay healthy on Joe. And he wasn't the same player after he came off that knee injury. I think he tore his ACL. He wasn't the same. He wasn't the same. He wasn't the same. He wasn't the same player. It's hard, the ACL, the ACL, the ACL,

they got them Achilles is very, very difficult to come back especially for skilled position players. I think quarterbacks, you know, if you're not much of a dual threat, which most quarterbacks are now, it's hard to come back, man. It's very, very- Yeah, it normally takes you a year

unless you're Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson got people thinking that he just had an ankle sprain. He came back and had a better season the next year. And what did he, yeah, he went for 2000 with the MVP and offensive player of the year. Yeah, he almost broke ED's record. He was what?

He had 2097, so he was nine yards short of breaking ED's record. He was what? He had 2,097, so he was nine yards short of breaking ED's record, the closest anyone has been. He single-handedly got that team to the playoffs because his quarterback was Chris DePonder. He had Sidney Rice, remember Sidney Rice? Yeah, I remember Sidney Rice. Mm-hmm. But,

Damn. You said you wanted to see Pick go somewhere else and see. Well, you get your wishes. I think he got his wishes. Not only did he get his wishes, now we have consistent quarterback play. I don't care what the chat or what the people of the world may think of Dak Prescott. He's still an adequate quarterback in this NFL He's better than what he had in Pittsburgh Do you who you telling you know so obviously in that NFC in that NFC East?

It's a good thing for the Cowboys Offensively so Dak has someone else outside of CD lamb, and I can't remember the Titans name who's actually good Jake Ferguson is a reliable target, but to add George Pickens to the helm and to that weaponry for Dak to have offensively, I think they gonna do numbers. They gonna do wonders. It just boasts that offense and listen,

long as they use young boy the right way, man, sky's the limit for him. Sky's the limit for him. Steelers D limit for him. D-TRIXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX again you can see you see it up on your screen you can see what you can see exactly what I see damn he's so cheeks lol I can't see it that good man you know my eyes bad man well well everybody everybody else see it well what happened I say to get to because it's too small up there Alan's art is being involved in trade the Steelers are possibly could possibly trade for Allen's art Deshaun commented under the post talking about the trade and he said he's cheap with Deshaun Deshaun Elliot he's a DB for the Pittsburgh Steelers

Hey, they're dealers are involved in yeah, I get it as art who's a receiver are involved in trade with Alan Lazar, who's a receiver. Okay, you can read, can't you? You see what he said right there, right? Yeah, I see how they're beating, though. Okay, I don't know what it is. That's what he said. I didn't get any further than that. You know exactly what I know.

I think we need to be a flower on the wall. I hope the trade does go through, and Alan Lazar does go to the Steelers, because now the Steelers have to find a replacement for George Pickens. So somebody gotta come in there, they need a body somewhere. I can't wait to see that. Deshaun, Deshaun Elliott? Yeah. Should we? And he like that? He like that? Is he like that he's supposed to be that boy at DB?

Oh Joe, oh Joe, oh Joe. I'm just, all I say, okay. Stealer Deshaun does not want Alan's are traded to his team under an IG post talking about Lazar being involved in heavy trade room rumors with Pittsburgh Deshaun commented Deshaun Deshaun Elliott blue check mark blue check mark. He's so cheeks Yeah, I'm asking you is he like that He took by his team. Is he that boy? Is he the... Ocho, you, Ocho, we both do the same thing.

I don't know. Is he like that? I'm asking you! I don't know. Listen, I... What you don't mean you don't know? Do you know? Yes, I know. He ain't good like that?

He like, he like, he's the next coming Reavis? I guess he said, hey, I guess he said, he said, he said, Lazard isn't like that. Is he Surtan? Is he Ramsey? Is he Stingley? That's what I'm asking you. I mean, he, I'm okay.

That's all I want to know. I just want to know. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You just said all year long, you said you like when players speak up. That's a high idea. I like that. So what does it matter if he's like that or not?

No, because do that to the opponent not to somebody come to you No, you said you won't play us to tell the truth even with their own right? That's what you say Okay, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I like that but I'm just listen like talking like that. You got to be that boy Why he telling the truth still got to be that boy? So another so unless you're not the boy, you can't kill- So you can't be saying somebody else suck and then you ain't good at your job either? That don't make no motherfucking sense.

That don't make no sense. Just because I'm not good at my job, that don't mean he good and he is. Two things can be true. I can suck at my job, he suck at his. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Two things can be true.

This is not a mutual exclusive endeavor here. Hey listen, listen, I'm an avid football fan. I'm an enthusiast. I'm very passionate about this. So obviously, I'm asking. You know how much I love the DB position. People in the chat, you know how much I love the DB position. I study the players that are at the position. Most of the time, it's most of the big names.

So the fact that I'm asking, is even like that, I need to see him on film. Young Bull, Deshaun Elliott, I'm watching you this year. I love you, I respect you. But you talk about my receivers. You talk about a friend of mine. So now I got my eyes on you. So now throughout the season, obviously, when the Steelers play, you got to play the Bengals.

So I want to see what you do against Chase. Huh? I want to see what you do against... But Lazard ain't Chase. I'm sure, I don't think he was saying that if they were the ball to trade with Chase. It's calling somebody on cheeks. So that means you got to be that boy. So now I'm expecting, I't think he was there that they had if they were the bar the train with chase on somebody else cheeks so that means you got to be that boy so now I'm expecting I was a trash talker I was a trash that's what I did I did that 13 years great yeah when I talked for a reason because I could walk everything

out back so if you call the one person trash then you got to be that boy I mean I'm excited everybody everybody that talked trash they like it you think everybody so everybody that talked trash Jordan and Kobe no but oh only people that talk hey think about this the people that actually have the personality and the balls and the goals actually talk trash are actually that boy and I mean it helps hey I'm excited I know I'm excited. I, I, I, I, listen, I'm excited. I like stuff like that. Um, now I did, did Lazar respond back? I don't know. Did you, did Lazar respond back?

And I, I, well, he hadn't responded back at the time that we, we came on the air. I think the thing is Ocho now with social media, uh, and, and, and Karana, and you were talking about this in basketball. What players think of other players in their own locker room is differently than what we at the outside think of certain players. So maybe the show, maybe- Maybe they paid against each other, what, before?

Maybe he thought, we thought like this, okay, but we didn't have a platform to go say, yeah, he's some cheeks, he booty. Yeah. We didn't have no platform, but somebody was talking about a trade or somebody was saying something, he's some cheeks. He booty. Yeah. We didn't have no platform. If somebody was talking about a trade or somebody was saying something, we couldn't go comment under it.

I like this though. We read about it in the newspaper. We saw it, but there was no way for us to comment on it. Or we might say, oh, man, that's a, we might say, oh, he sucked amongst us in the locker room. But then nobody that wasn't in the locker room would hear it. I like it. Now, it's right there for everybody to see it.

It got a blue check mark, so it's him. I like it, but also... Unless he would hack. But now, he wouldn't hack. But this is what it does, though, Uncle. When you put it out there like this on social media, now you're gonna have everybody watching you. Not only that, so if something goes wrong

on your end during the season, what's the first thing they're gonna bring up? Bingo so now you Are you getting are you getting toasted now? You got now you got the eye in the sky on you So you got to be careful. That's why I said wait a minute Did he really tweet it out like that like publicly? Like in order to do that you got to be that boy and there's a certain level of confidence you got to carry We can talk trash like that on social media.

That's what I was asking. Now I know who Jory Porter Jr. is, you know? So, you know, the Sean Elliott, boy, you on my radar, boy. Yeah, you want, you talk, you got to walk it, baby. And that's the thing is, is that he might've been talking about Alan Azar, but all people are going to see is that that receiver beat you talking about Alan Azar, but all people gonna see is that that receiver beat you.

So it doesn't matter who you talked about. Mm-hmm. Even though the receiver that beat you had nothing to do with it. You didn't say nothing about him. You was talking about him. But, hey, that's on him now. It's out there now, Ocho.

He said it. Ocho, the Cowboys made a bet. Yeah! Ocho said he had something brewing. All right, now. Traded for George Pickens. They will send a 2026 third round pick and a 2027 fifth round pick to the Steelers for Pickens

and a 2027 sixth round pick. The Cowboys have been searching for a legit wide receiver alongside CD. But is Pickens the answer for Dallas? Damn right he's the answer. Got you. Jadon Blue, CD Lamb, George Pickens the answer for Dallas? You got damn right he's the answer. Got you. Jadon Blue, C.D. Lamb, George Pickens, and Jake Ferguson, along with Dak Prescott at the quarterback.

Ocho, did the Steelers get enough for Pickens? Yeah, I think they have enough. I'm not worried about what the Steelers got. I ain't really thinking about them. The fact that you let one of the better players in the NFL go, despite with the issues and the problems that he's had. Forget that, you just made Dallas better.

You just made Dallas better. A lot of people in the chat, they might not understand how good George Pickens actually is. He needs this. He needed to change the scenery. Not only did he get to change the scenery, he went to America's team.

This is perfect for that. This is very, very good for Dak. Because not only is C.D. Lam a number one, you got your another number one in there too. You got your another number one that can hit his head off the goalpost from anywhere. Slants, hitches, deep balls, whatever it may be. Dak Prescott has to be thanking the football gods

for this addition to his offense. It makes him better, especially in NFC East. The Eagles, they got Devontae Smith, they got AJ Brown. The Commanders, they got Debo Samer, they got Terry McLaurin. The Giants, well the Giants only have Malik neighbors. I'm not sure that the quarterback situation is still questionable.

They have Jamers, they have Russell Wilson, but the Dallas Cowboys should make some noises here despite their defensive roles that have been issues for them, especially stopping the run. So, um, they should score 35, 40 again. They should score 35, 40 again. It shouldn't be no issues. I don't care about your run again.

To me, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying it's equivalent to getting Saquon Barkley. I'm just saying the addition of George Pickens will make them offensively that much better, especially if whoever the offensive coordinator is, I can't remember his name, if they use him to... Brian Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer there? Schottenheimer there? Yeah, he's the head coach, so he's the coordinator. Man, they gonna be straight, man.

They gonna be straight. Now don't be surprised, and I'm gonna say it here first, and there's no disrespect to my Eagles. Eagles, you know I love you. All my Eagles fans, you know I love you. No disrespect to the commanders either, I love y'all. But, you know I love you. All my Eagles fans, you know I love you. No disrespect to the Commandos either. I love y'all. But don't be shocked if the goddamn Cowboys win the NFC.

Yeah, I will be shocked. Because that one addition. I'm telling you. I will be shocked. I'm telling you. It makes a quarterback job. But I've been telling Ocho, I've been telling Ocho this since we had Nightcap.

I said, it's called production and tolerance. And as long as production is here, tolerance will be here. Tolerance will never supersede production. I told Ocho this. Man, I said, Ocho, I'm telling you. I said, their team will tolerate you until they can replace you. Hey, but remember we had that talk, right?

Remember I told y'all I'll talk with Pick? Remember after I told y'all, I talked to? Remember after I told you, I talked to him? Have you noticed you haven't had any issues from Pickens after that point? That look, I think it was the local... Kansas City game, Christmas. Yeah, they would get... Kansas City game. It happened.

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I agree. This is a good thing for him. He's an immense talent. His name needs to be the conversation of the top 10 receivers when it comes to not only production, because he has the talent to do it. All Schadenheimer has to do is use him the right way to his strengths. He's gonna be tremendous for the Cowboys.

Hey, look, I'm just trying to figure out what is going on in Pittsburgh, that all these receivers keep getting up out of there. I don't know, but Uncle Ocho, I got a confession. What's that? Man, I've been a long time Cowboy fan, man. You know, Jade Jones. You from Arkansas?

Yeah, I know. You ain't got no choice. Jade Jones alumni, listen. Yeah. I'm happy for us as Cowboys fans, and I'm looking forward to us having a pretty solid season, man. That's all I'm saying. I know I had to get to know y'all before I told y'all that,

because I know how y'all be. And I figured, but you know what? I figured as much. Being from Arkansas, and Arkansas is close to Dallas, I didn't think it. Me, I wasn't going to say anything. I was like, fuck your problem. You see? Yeah. Because everybody, because a lot of people I didn't think it, me, I wasn't gonna say anything. I was like, fuck your problem.

Yeah. Cause everybody, cause a lot of people that I know from Arkansas, they do root for the Cowboys. Yeah. Yeah. They root for the Cowboys. So I'm not surprised by this. But I agree with you, Ocho. I do think this significantly helps their offense.

Now, the question is, who the hell they gonna have blocking for that? The whole line, they got a little makeshift of the whole line right now, huh? Yeah, they do. I think they gonna be all right though. They gonna be all right. And you know, what can the Eagles do, Ojo?

They can run the ball, boy, and they can throw it, and they can block. They got the best thing. Oh yeah, oh my goodness, I forgot all. There you go, get your quarterback. Oh yeah. Oh my goodness. I forgot all. There you go. Get your quarterback. Yeah.

And listen, this is important. This is important. You have a pick too. This is, this is the important year. Yeah. In the contract year. Man, there you go right there. He needs to get the, I know he's seen Jamar Chase.

He's seen Justin Jefferson. He's seen T Higgins and everybody else getting paid. He deserves to be paid in that upper echelon of one of the top receivers in the league. And this is his year. This is his year. No problems, no issues, no attitude, no playing around. This is the money for you. Go out there and handle your business.

That's it. I'm trying to be in that $30 million receiver range. We gonna throw him the ball. Yeah, oh he gonna keep it now. Yes, sir. Who you think run the trade, Ocho? The Cowboys run the trade. The goddamn Steelers ain't even figured out the quarterback situation yet. I don't care how many picks you got. Third round, two, second round, first round, man you have no quarterback. So I see them finishing fourth in the division this year. Someone tweeted Ocho, Dallas

just broke the golden rule. Never buy a wide receiver. Mike Tomlin is selling. Do you agree? No I'm not sure how that's the golden rule. I don't understand because every every every Brown how did it? Oh, okay. Hold on. Hold on Martavius Brad, how did that work out? I'm not sure I can't remember he went. Okay, Antonio Brown when he left But we every way went Okay, Antonio Brown. It worked out well when he left. For who? Where everybody went. Raiders. Oh, you talking about what they did personally? Now, I can't touch on that.

I'm, I'm, okay, I see what you mean. No. So it worked out well, okay. How about Chase Claypool? Okay, okay. Go ahead, go ahead. Deontay Johnson. He hasn't been able to get his foot in the mud yet.

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We gonna be all right. So I can understand what the tweet is saying. Never buy a receiver. San Antonio Homes. Plax made, Plax had that great, had that one season that he played with the Giants. They won the Super Bowl. Mike Wallace. He kind of bounced around.

He had a pretty good year in Baltimore, but I think he got, he went to, where'd he go first? He went to Miami, didn't he? Didn't he go to Miami? I thought he was in Miami first. Oh, Minnesota. He went to, I think y'all think Mike Wallace went to Minnesota, and then went to Miami first.

I can't remember. I can't remember. And then he ended up going to Baltimore, right? I don't remember. I remember, that Nick Mike was fast. Hold on, what you trying to say, right? I don't remember. I remember that Nick Mike was fast. Hold on, what you trying to say, huh? You saying the wide receivers that come from the Steelers... they don't do nothing when they leave? I don't know why they have these issues when they're in Pittsburgh.

That's what I don't get. Because they got me, they're immensely talented. San Antonio Homes was Super Bowl MVP, Ocho. And they let him walk. Yeah. AB, and he's still my, because he's a Hall of Fame talent. I just think he's going to have to wait a lot longer than what he should have based on the numbers that he put up, Ocho.

That's all I'm saying. Claypool, I don't know what had happened to him. Martavius Bryant, we know he had some issues. But you look at the receiver, the one thing Steelers can do, Ocho, they can draft for the receiver. I don't know- Always, always.

The Steelers, listen, the Steelers, the Bengals, who else always have a receiver? The Cowboys? They had Manuel Sanders. Manuel Sanders was great at Denver. But they just couldn't pay everybody. So, I mean, some of them, but some of the guys that they kept, they ended up having issues and ended up leaving.

Is Claypool still in the league? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I don't, I'm not sure either. I know one thing. Oh, this is, this is, this is, this is a do it, do or die, do or die season for George Pickens, his back is against the wall. He deserves to be paid.

I understand that the, the talent, you know, the talent people in the chat that actually watch the game of football, despite whatever issues he may have on field, sometimes some of the antics, he is immensely talented when used the right way. I think the Steelers kind of didn't do him do justice and obviously he didn't help his um... Well, I mean, the Steelers didn't have no quarterback to do them justice. That too. So what he did with what he had to work with, he did the best he could. Now, going where he's going now with another elite partner on the other side of you.

But he going to eat. I'm telling you, he going to eat. He going to eat. As you mentioned, Ocho, the NFC East, you got CD, Pickens, Neighbors, uh, Deebo, McLaurin, Devontae, and AJ Brown. Is that the best, is that the best, is that the best division for receiving? Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm from, from top to bottom. Now there are other, there are other good receivers in the other divisions, but they, boy, they take the cake, boy. They take the cake. I mean, most teams like, yeah, they don't have, I mean, I think the NFC North with Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota, Green Bay.

Yeah, they got nice looks, but not like this. They got some good ones. Not like this. NFC, let's see, NFC West, nope. NFC South, nope. Yep. NFC North, weC West? Nope. NFC South? Nope. Yep. NFC North, we just mentioned a North. AFC South?

Nope. AFC West? AFC South got some good ones. Cause they got Travis Hunter. Okay. They got Brian Thomas Jr. That's a good one. They got Nick, they got Tank.

They got Nico Thomas, Jr. That's a good book. They got Tank. They got Nico. Yeah. Tennessee got, no, Tennessee got Calvin Ridley. He by himself, huh? Cause... I think he is by himself. Cause Traylon Brooks, ain't working, he ain't working. And then you got the ones in Indy.

And he got like the squad with Pitman, Jr. It then you got the ones in Indy. And he got like a little squad with Pitt McJewel. It's not like the NFC East though. Yeah. Because AJ has been to the Pro Bowl, McClure and Deebo, neighbors, CD. I think Pickett's been to the Pro Bowl once. Devontae, yeah so all these guys are Pro Bowl players. Yeah, NFC, he's got the best receivers. Falcons fans are upset that the first round draft pick, Jalen Walker, will wear number 11. Julio Jones is the fastest player in history to 10,000, 11,000, 12,000, and 13,000 yards. He most season average in 100 yards a game.

Most season with 250 yards, but the Falcons gave away his number 11 with the quickness and didn't retire. Should that Falcons have given away a number 11? No, yes, they should not have given it away. Absolutely not. He's the best wide receiver in Falcons history. He's a bad booker.

And you know, I know Dre, and what's the other one? White, Roddy White. 84, yeah. They had, you know, Billy White, Sh, uh, Dre and what's the other one? Um, white, right? Roddy white. Yeah. Uh, uh, uh, uh, they had, you know, Billy white shoes, Johnson, they had Alfred Jenkins. Nah, different and different, but you know, you know, owners. I don't think that, yeah, they didn't, they didn't leave on the best of terms. Owners don't see, see it the same way we see it.

Um, you know, in understanding what they meant for the franchise, the way fans see Julio. I mean, one of the best, not actually one of, one of the best all time, not only that, but one of the best, the best receiver to come out of the organization. And they just don't see the value in that, especially the retired Jersey. Yeah. I guess they don't seem to think nobody should get the jury retired to them. Well, let's see if they get that number eight away.

What number is Michael Penney Jr.? Because Matt Ryan was eight, right? Matt Ryan was two. Let's see if they somebody get that two. You think they're gonna get that two away, Ojo? Yeah, yeah. Listen, I mean, there was also a little, not turmoil, You think they gonna get that two away, Ojo? Yeah, yeah. Listen, I mean, there was also a little,

not turmoil, it was just a little incident. Somebody with the Browns took two from, yeah. Chidor, he already had it or he took, what you mean? I mean, another player, I'm not sure who the player is. I don't, don't quote me. I don't wanna butcher anybody's name, but he chose two and Chidor have to wear 12. I'm saying, he't, I don't, don't quote me. I don't, I don't, I don't want to butcher anybody's name, but he chose two and Shadour have to wear 12. I'm saying, I'm saying he new to the Browns

or he already been there Ocho, that's what I'm asking. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, but I definitely think Julio, they should not have given that number, that number 11 to anybody. That's Julio Jones. I wouldn't even want to wear it.

I wouldn't even want to wear it. I wouldn't either. That's why I'd be wondering what some of these kids become now Maybe one some of these legends numbers. I'll be like man. Why would you want to even do that? Yeah Yeah, you see I do Carter wanted to wear a 56 for the Giants. Yeah 56 and number 11 Cuz Phil Sims Ward number 11 is retired. Yeah, yeah with Phil family 92 strays numbers retired I think Because Phil Sims was number 11, he's retired. Yeah, Phil, Phil family. If you see it, 92, Stray's number is retired. I think, uh, uh, uh, is Don Meredith's number is retired?

Maybe Y.A. Tittle. Y.A. Tittle. I think Giants don't have many numbers retired, but they got a few. Jazz don't have many numbers but retire but they got a few. I think Stray. I know Stray. I think Stray's, uh, LT, Sims. Damn. Damn. Oh yeah. Oh, well.

Yeah, but they definitely should have, the Julio Jones number should be, nobody should wear that number. He was too good. And I get it. See, sometimes I think, Ocho, people allow the last year to ruin 10 or 11 really great years. And although it didn't end on the best terms, he's still Julio.

He still did a great job for that organization. He was a model citizen in the community. And that should, you know, yeah, I mean, for him to be what he was for that organization, the numbers that he put up, I definitely think he was more than deserving to have that number retired. But it happened at age. I remember when I left Denver and went to Baltimore, they gave my number to Chris.

What's Chris last name? I forget now. Yeah, you were on Super Bowl over that thing. Yeah. What was Chris? Damn, I forget the guy's name now. In 2000, who wore number two? 84 in 2000. But when I came back, it was in my locker.

Bro, I was like, you actually thought I was going to come back here and you were going to be 84 and I was going to be another number? You thought that? Man, please. Chris Cole, yeah, Chris Cole. Where's he from? Texas A&M? I seen him. Well, you know, playmaker, he like for the wide receivers of the West. Chris Cole, yeah, Chris Cole. Where'd he from?

Texas A&M? I seen him. Well, you know, Playmaker, he like for the wide receivers to wear his numbers though. Michael Erickson. Oh yeah, because they talk about him when they talk about him. Yeah, they got their own little club going over there. They don't really retire. I mean, like, they don't really retire a whole lot of numbers.

Like the Steelers, I mean, it's only a handful of people that had that, like Joe Green, I think, I think Joe Green, 75, Terry Bradshaw, 12, Ernie Startner, I think Ernie was 72. But they had a whole lot. Oh, Deandre Carter wouldn't... But I mean, if they retired all them Steelers great, man, you ain't gonna have no numbers. Like Boston. I mean, you think about Swann, 88, 82, 32, 12, 47. I think Mel Blunt's number might be retired. Blunt. I mean look at the call those Hall of Famers. Mm-hmm And they had like five or six on defense at one time

Two receivers the center running back Quarterback, so that's five on offense Joe green male blunt Jack Ham Lambert Donny shell five on defense. So you got 10 Hall of Famers out of your 22. How you like that, Ocho? You're coaching the Hall of Fame and your owner. Boy, the red boy was a real deal. Yeah.

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