Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - NFL Week 2 TNF Reaction

Episode Date: September 15, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson discuss Deion Sanders receiving hate from Colorado State head coach, flying private vs Spirit, why the Dallas Cowboys could lose to Zach Wilson and the New York Jets, the Philadelphia Eagles beating the Minnesota Vikings on Thursday Night Football, and AJ Brown blowing up on Jalen Hurts. #Volume #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hello, welcome to another episode of Nightcap. I'm your co-host, Unc, Shannon Sharp. He's the other half co-host, Chad Ochocinco-Johnson. And we're back again to talk Thursday night football. The Eagles take down the Vikings 34-28. The Eagles move to 2-0. The Vikings go to 0-2. Take it away, Ocho.

What was your biggest takeaway from the game? The biggest takeaway from the game was obviously it started off really slow. It started very slow, very methodical. It was somewhat boring almost and really didn't really pick up for me and get me excited until after halftime. Takeaway the most, the Vikings got to get going. The Vikings have to find a way to get going. They got to find a way to establish the run.

They already got a way to get Justin. They got to find a way to establish the run. They already got a way to get Justin Jefferson going, moving them around, put them in different positions to make the plays. They got to find a way to get the running game going and find a way to get a lead. They're not playing well at all. But here's the thing, Ocho. Running is a mentality.

You can't say if you run the ball twice and we don't get in the yard, you can't say to hell with the run and just start throwing it all over the yard. And that's seemingly what Minnesota has done. But they got to take care of the football. That's seven turnovers in two games. In both games, they've had at least three turnovers in the first half. And they should have had the lead at the half.

If Jefferson doesn't muck the football out of the end zone, they're going into the half with a lead. That's a ridiculous rule too. That's a ridiculous rule. They need the competition committee in the offseason. They need to go out and get rid of that rule. It's ridiculous. Okay, what would you have the rule be?

They get the ball back at the two-yard line? Exactly where he loses the ball, he gets it back right there. Just the touchback and turning the ball, that's the come on, man. Come on now. That is a very harsh penalty. That's a very, very harsh penalty for that. Most definitely. I mean, have anybody, I don't know if there's a player that's lost.

It's close. But Kirk Cousins, you look at his numbers. He's 31 of 43, 364, four touchdowns. He has these empty calorie games that if you didn't watch the game, and you just look at the stats,

you'll think he went crazy. Yes. But he didn't play bad, but early when they needed him to make a few plays, he had a very costly turnover that led to seven points. Whoa, whoa. Wait, what's turnover?

Not the strip fumble. Strip sack. Strip sack. That's the left tackle fault. That's the left tackle fault. And then the commentator saying, oh, the left tackle dealing with an injury. Well, if you're dealing with an injury, ain't no reason to play. Hey, you ain't supposed to be out there because you're

costing your team. Okay, but here's the thing. This is what Mike Shanahan used to always tell us, our coach. He says, look, don't exacerbate the situation. Okay, the left tackle got whipped. Hold on to the ball. Just because he got whipped. That's the blind

side now. That's the blind side. Kirk can't even see Buddy coming now. I understand that. But sometimes you got to bail. Sometimes you just got to hold on to the ball. I understand it's the blind side. But don't make a situation worse. He gets beat, and then you turn the ball over.

The Vikings defense, that's terrible. Okay, we get the ball back. All we got to do is stop him, Ocho. We stop him, we're going to get the ball back. Oh, hey, D, let's go, D, let's terrible. How you let, okay, we get the ball back. All we got to do is stop him, Ocho. We stop him, we're going to get the ball back. Oh, hey, D, let's go, D, let's go. And they run the ball down your throat. Listen, the most embarrassing thing

for any NFL team to do is to be able to run the ball up and down the field and push you around. And push you around. That's exactly what DeAndre Swift and that offensive line did for the Eagles tonight. It was ridiculous.

Swift finished with, what, 175? 175 on 28 carries. 175 on 28 carries? They had 48 rushes for 259. 5.4 carry, three touchdowns. You know what's so embarrassing about the run game? It's because you're moving a man against his will. Let that sink in for people at home.

You're moving a man against his will. He said, I'm saying, you're fitting to move from this to that first. And he said, no, I ain't. And I said, you say, you can't. And Lane Johnson and Kelsey. Kelsey. Those get in. Landon Dixon.

They got him up out of there. Why not make the adjustments? Why not make the adjustments defensively? If the running game for the Eagles is doing extremely well, Brian Flores, why not put nine in the box? Why not take Harrison or Harrison and bring him down? They needed to bring John Randall back, rest his soul, Chris Dolan. They needed Chris Millard.

They needed the Purple People Eaters. They needed all of them to stop. Right. You know, okay, we get what we call a four-minute offense because we don't want to give you the ball back. So, basically, we got a lot of two tight end. We're just going to try to run the football. You know what we're going to do.

We know you know what we're going to do. And you still can't stop it? That's unacceptable. That's unacceptable. Very, very much so. Now you're 0-2. You're 0-2. And that's the thing about being 0-4 because

you got to think about it now. about being 0-4 because you got to – think about it now. Just to get to 500, you got to go 2-0. A quarter of your season is gone. Yeah. Yeah. You put yourself behind the eight ball so much when you start the season like they started. But what do you expect?

Do you expect to play in the NFL, turn the ball over six times in two games before the half and win. And they had an opportunity to win. Listen, there are very few teams in the NFL that can turn the ball over and still come back and actually win a game. You can't turn the ball over and expect to win unless your offense is an extreme juggernaut. And it ain't too many offensive teams that's out there like that, especially when you turn the ball over and the other team gets points off those turnovers well first and second of all you can't turn the ball over like that if your defense crap you give up 260 yards on the ground because you

can't stop them because they're scoring on their possessions you turn it over put them on a short field if you can't stop when you If you can't stop them when you kick the ball off and they got to go 75 yards for a touchdown, how the hell do you expect to stop them if you turn it over and they only got to go 20 yards? All right, Finney, you got to make your job easy as possible. You got to make your job easy as possible.

They're not doing that. They're not doing that at all. So if you're the head coach of the Vikings, what's your speech in the locker room? we put ourselves in the hole gentlemen we put ourselves in the hole and we got to find a way to dig it out it's obviously a start with practice defense you got to learn how to you got to learn how to tackle and then obviously i don't want i don't want to single anybody out and i can't just put it all on florence florence is the defensive coordinator.

He's calling defensive plays. But regardless of what the X's and O's are called, the player's got to execute. You got to execute. You can't put it on the coach. If this is what he wants to run, we need to be able to stop and run whatever he's calling to the best of our ability. If you know the run is coming, you got to tackle. You got to wrap up.

Ain't no reason DeAndre Swift's supposed to be running six yards a carry in the NFL. This ain't mad. On Madden, you run for six yards a carry. They run and dive, Ocho. Ocho, here's the thing. When you look at it like this, what I call, they running the football. I know they're going to run. You know they're going to run. Everybody in the stadium knows they're going they running the football i know they're gonna run you know they're gonna

run everybody in the stadium knows they're gonna run the football what the hell can i call mountain get up your block defeat the man and get him on the ground yeah yeah i mean it's not like the past okay they do man you see what they're doing they get into this bunch formation they're doing a lot of motion we could if the past game i get it right but when you run all they did was just turn around and had deandre swift the ball oh nothing nothing pretty nothing pretty there was nothing pretty nothing exotic hand the ball off they tried to get aj aj aj brown the ball they wasn't able to get him going obviously you're gonna have games like that we talk about we're gonna talk the there was a a heated discussion between aj and jalen hearst on the sideline take it there because you you've been in those situations you're a receiver you want the

ball and you want the ball early because you want to be a part of the game if you give ocho the ball early you'll have him late obviously the frustration is starting to build because I got two, three catches. Listen, not only that, do you have two or three catches, but Devontae Smith is on the other side going off. He going slap you know what off. And so A.J. Brown is sitting here. I'm getting a slant

or I'm catching a hitch or I'm in a slot and I'm running a little stick route and I look up. I got three for I got three for 30 and Devontae Smith got four for 150. You got four for 131 of the tube. Hey, listen. That don't

sit right with me. That don't sit right with me. And at times, I understand how AJ feels. I understand but it's going to be games like that. Every game, you ain't going to go off. Every game ain't going to be like. Now, what's going going to happen what's probably going to happen next time is when they come out when they come out next week and they play guess who the first guess who the first three plays might go to just to get him going yeah just to keep him happy right that that

he has to take that as a sign of respect yeah they they fear him and they respect him more than they do devontae currently. So they're going to send the coverage towards him. But one thing, this is what I hate. I hate when offensive coordinators do this. Obviously, offensive coordinators, they have a scheme. They have a scheme in the way they do things. I hate when offensive coordinators allow defensive teams to dictate

what we as Eagles want to do. I hate that. Justin Jefferson had 11 for 159 a night. The creativity from the offensive coordinator to move Justin Jefferson around to make sure he was part of that offense was immaculate, even though they lost. They can do the same thing with A.J. Brown. There has to be some creativity outside of the scheme.

But, Ocho, when you run for two, you're not finna throw for 300 and run for 260. This ain't college. I mean, it can happen if you want to. If you want to do that, it can happen. I bet you there hadn't been more. I bet you there hadn't been in the 105-year history, there haven't been a 200-yard rush game and a 300-yard pass game. I bet it hadn't happened more than 10 times in the history.

Do you understand what you're saying? Yeah. How many carries do you – think about how many carries you have to get to get to 200. Again, this is college. About 28, 30. 28, 30. To get 200 yards? Yeah, Swift had

175 tonight on 28. They had 259 yards on 48 carries. The average, you only get about somewhere between 62 and 68 plays. So they had 48 rush attempts and they had

23 pass attempts. So they had 71. What are you going to do with that? And when you're running the ball, think about it, Ocho. When you turn around and hand the ball to the guy, I used to turn around, I used to tell the defense, if y'all stop TD, we'll throw the ball. But y'all not stopping it, we're not going to throw it. Throw the ball. But, you know, again, this is what I don't like,

and this is something that receivers have to deal with. If you're running the ball really well, don't abandon us. Don't abandon me out there. Allow me to still feel part of the game plan and a part of one of the reasons why we won. And that was probably part of the frustration that A.J. Brown was feeling, I guarantee you. But again, what I don't like, okay, we're running the ball really well. We're playing really well. Obviously, the Vikings made a late comeback toward the third and fourth. I call it garbage time. Yeah, empty calories. Move him around.

Put him in positions to make plays. Do that. The same way they do with Justin Jefferson. It's easy. You know what I'm hearing you say? I ain't never heard no receiver. I ain't never heard no receiver. When they throwing the ball, you got 150, TJ had 100. Hey, man, get that ball to Corey.

Let Corey feel some love. Why y'all want to – whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You ever said that? Have you ever said – Actually. When you had that 200-yard day, you had them back-to-back. How many times did you go to the sideline and tell the offensive coordinator? Let's talk about it.

Let's talk about it. Let me give you a better understanding on why I was able to get that 200-yard day or TJ was able to have that 150-yard day. Back in our day when we played, we wasn't a pass-happy offense. We played in the running area. Are you forgetting? Remember the era I played in? Jamalwis jerome bettis cory dylan we ran the ball first and how we be able to get those yards because i was established the run thank you i was established before you

no you wasn't when you came in the league 90 i came in the league in 93 what are you talking about man you ain't came in no league in no 93 you came to the nfl in 93 yes i'm 55 how you thought it was stop it yeah man i was born in 68 don't do me like that whatever but anyway as i was saying you ever go to the offensive court you ever go to the offensive coordinator and say, you know what, man? Man, y'all make sure y'all get some of these running backs some love. Man, no wide receiver ever. But I hear what you're saying, but this is what you don't understand, is the fact that we established the running game to open us up.

It wasn't – now it's the opposite way now. How you established the running game? How you quarterback throw for 400 yards and you establish the run? When? Where? How? Because they had to drop a man in the back because Rudy Johnson was going crazy. Cedric Benson was going crazy. Corey Dillon was going crazy. You drop that man in the box, we're going to kill you on the outside.

Matter of fact, even if you did double team us, we're still going to get busy. So how would you grade Jalen Hurts in this game? What grade would you give Hurts? I give Jalen Hurts a B. I give him a B. A B. That's a good B. They could have put the game away a little bit more.

A little bit more. Yeah, that was a bad interception. I don't know where he was going with the ball. I don't either. But I give him a B. I give him a B. You're going to make mistakes. You're going gonna make mistakes you you're gonna make mistakes

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Whether you're a football fanatic or you just enjoy a good laugh, make sure to listen to the Good Morning Football Podcast Monday through Friday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's jump here. I actually in colorado now i'm in denver and uh we're going up to boulder obviously to uh talk to coach prime and his team to have a big game tomorrow against in-state rival uh colorado state right and jay no jay norvell uh he said uh i took my i took my hat off and I took my glasses off. I said, when I talk to grownups, I take my hat and my glasses off.

That's what my mother taught me. Why is he worried about what another man's doing on his team? What does that have to do with the game they got to play? What does that have to do with the game they have to play coming up? Why would you give Deion his players that coaching staff

bulletin board material and make things personal? You just saw what happened to Matt Rule when they did it last week. And here you go again with the same rigmarole as my grandma used to say so now you got to go out there and back that up right why not why not praise Deion why not say you know what what he's been able to do and come in and change his program in such a short

amount of time that is amazing what he's been able to do has been awesome it's been great Deion has been Deion since day one have we not watched him in the nfl have we not watched him as a coach nothing about dion has changed that is what i love about him the most he has remained his true authentic self not conforming to how i don't know maybe coaches in college have some type of pack where we're all going to conduct ourselves and act the same no well i think it never has been him you know what it is ocho i believe there are coaches behind the scene that are envious and jealous of coach saban or envious and jealous of dabble or kirby smart but they never verbalize it you never hear them say these things publicly there's a lot of envy, a lot of jealousy with Coach Prime in the way he

does it because it's unconventional. Because of what he says, the way he talks, the way he conducts himself, but it works for his team. The way Coach Saban practices at Alabama might not work for Dabo at Clemson, or it might not work for someone somewhere else. But why are you concerned? What is him taking his hat off? What is him taking his glasses off? What does that got to do with you? He's coaching and raising his team and trying to bring in boys. And when they lead their men, let him do it his way.

You do it your way. But I think there's a lot of envy and a lot of jealousy and a lot of resentment publicly for Coach Brian. But why? Please help me. Help me understand why it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be as a coach, as a coach, black coach at that and understanding how difficult it is for black coaches to get jobs in those positions. And be in positions of power to lead men. But to come back and say, oh, when I do interviews,

I take off my glasses and my hat. That's your interview. You should do however you want to. What do we talk about? I don't care if you have a coveralls and a straw hat on. The way you conduct your business, the way you conduct your business the way you do interviews the way you coach your team that ain't got nothing to do with how I do business over here and I don't concern myself with you but you know how it is

we concern ourselves we always concerning ourselves with things that don't concern us one of the things that I always learn is every time you focus on somebody else's plate, every time you focus on somebody else's plate, somebody eating off of yours, and you're going to see the results of what

happened when you don't lock in on your own plate when they played against them buffs. Now they done made it personal. If I was Coach Prime with knowing Prime the way I do, I'd try to hang 100 on him. I would. I would.

100? Yeah. You can't do that. Coaches have a pack and there's a certain line that you don't cross, like in the NFL. You don't keep scoring. You don't keep – I don't think it worked like that. Hey, you know, I'm crossing the route because here's the thing.

There was no need for him to take a shot at time. There was no need for him to take a shot at time. Maybe he did it on purpose. Maybe he did it on purpose for his team, for the sake of his team. That's why I'm trying to score 100. You're getting fired up. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to do it on purpose yeah i got you i got you i hadn't talked to you monday night aaron rogers goes down four plays into his jets tenure um and a lot's been said

you know the turf and and and and what have you when you he first went down, what were your initial thoughts? I knew what it was based on his mannerisms, his body language. And then when you get in tackle, the first time your foot went in the ground, let your body go. Let your body go limp. Just fall. Just relax. Why are you fighting it?

You turn around and turn around again and still fighting as if you're trying to get up out of there. For what? You got all that pressure pulling you down and as soon as that soon as the inflection it's popping it got some guy to get weighed right let your body go and go limp man Aaron you've been playing football for 19 years you know previously I think maybe it was a play before or maybe two plays prior he was able to spin out of that the same way. Guy came off edge. He spun out of it.

This time it didn't work. You know he got you. Just fall down and let it go. Live to play another play. Ocho, but you know on a three-step drop, you know both tackles are trying to get the guy hands down because the ball is going to come out quick. You know you cannot – whatever side you pick on a three-step drop, you got to stay that side.

You can't, because he started to the right and then tried to go backside. You can't. You can't. You can't do that. So once he went right and they're covered, throw it away. It's gone. I feel bad. I feel bad for him for the simple fact that there was so much anticipation.

He had seemed to have found new life. He wanted to be somewhere. And I tell people this all the time. My grandma used to always say, the loneliest place in the world is to be somewhere you're not wanted. He knew that he wasn't wanted in Green Bay. And so now he had found a home. They had welcomed him with open arms. He had the kind of

cachet that he's always wanted in Green Bay. They had given him that in New York. And then four plays in, it's over. That's a hard injury to overcome too, Ocho. Especially at the age of 40. 39, 39, 40. I mean, you're right.

He's about to be 40. Yeah, you, 40. I mean, you're right. He's about to be 40. Yeah, you're right. But listen, that injury with technology, with rehab, and the things that they can do now these days, he'll be back in six months. And based on his Instagram post, he's letting the city of New York and the New York Jets know that he will be back next year. I hope so. I'm not even fretting. I'm not even I'm not.

I'm not even afraid. You know why? Because I believe in Zach Wilson. I believe and I like Zach Wilson. I love Zach Wilson. I love him to death. And matter of fact, you do know what you do. You do.

You know why Aaron Rodgers in New York? Tell me why Aaron Rodgers was in New York. Can I can I say something, please? Can I say something, please? Yeah, Zach Wilson. Zach Wilson had expectations coming out of BYU, right? As did the New York Jets. As did the New York Jets. Things didn't go the way he would want to. They didn't. You know how tough it is to go from BYU and dealing with the New York media of all outlets you got to deal with? The pressure. One thing my grandma always

said, you surround yourself by certain individuals. At some point, you become one of them. How long has Zach Wilson been around Aaron Rodgers? How many months? Six months, maybe. OTA, so you're talking about

April. Okay, so he's been around him for a little bit. I think enough is rubbed off on Zach Wilson on how to prepare, how to prepare, how to play the game of quarterback, how to be a better leader. Just little nuances that we, the public, the outside fans, don't know about. I'm sure he's going to be a much better quarterback than he was before

because of him being surrounded by Aaron Rodgers. I know, I know. I'm telling you, I know about. I'm sure he's going to be a much better quarterback than he was before because of him being surrounded by Aaron Rodgers. I know. I'm telling you. I know so. And you're going to see it when they play Dallas. Bro, last year, they were wearing the backup. You remember what happened in Philly? They built a monument to Nick Foles.

Carson Wentz was the starter he had to see on his jersey. They built a montage they built a a shrine they were they was wearing the backup quarterback's jersey oh Joe you trying to tell me all of a sudden they believe in you listen sometimes all it take sometimes all it take is surrounding yourself with the right person I'm telling you you think you think Zach don't feel bad about how things went last year? His expectations are higher than all of ours. He wanted to come in and be the best he can.

It didn't happen. But I guarantee you, I guarantee you Zach Wilson proved everybody wrong. Let me ask you this, Coach. I guarantee you that. And it's going to start with the Cowboys on Sunday. I want to ask you that. And it's going to start with the Cowboys on Sunday. I want to ask you this. Do you think the expectations for the Jets were higher last year or this year? Oh, they were higher this year, obviously, because of Aaron Rodgers.

And they got a top five defense, obviously. Now, think about what you just said. Do you know the number one cause of a relationship ending? If uncommunicated expectations. He wants to go somewhere, but she didn't tell you. Uncommunicated. She has expectations, but she didn't communicate with that. Right, right, right.

He wanted to do this. You didn't know. She didn't communicate that. You wanted to do this, but you didn't tell her. no she didn't communicate that you wanted to do this but you didn't tell her okay now we got expectations that's been communicated right how you think you're gonna handle that pressure the first time the first time he go out there and he'd have one of them uh joe uh joe burrow and i'm not i'm saying have one of those joe burrow games where he throws for 82 yards and the defense balling out and they lose 7-3.

Didn't he just throw an interception the other night and he came right back and did what? He threw an interception and he came right back and did what? He answered. He answered. Yes, sir. I just want to know one thing. How many times

you thank the quarterback for the opposing team because Josh Allen was the best player on the Jets and he happened to play for Buffalo. Listen, we can't okay, we can't Josh Allen lost the game. That's what we're going to use. That's a part of football.

That's a part of football. We can go through every game on the one o'clock slate this coming Sunday and we can find, well, you know why they lost? They lost because the Soros did it. That's a part of the game. That's a part of the game. The difference is between Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes,

or Tom Brady and a Peyton Manning. They throw interceptions. You expected to win. Now you got Zach Wilson. You hope to win. Well, if the defense plays lights out and we don't turn the ball over and an eagle land on the flagpole at 12

10 p.m. we got a great chance of winning there is no expect there's no I expect to win there's a hope to win listen like Cedric the entertainer said I wish a motherfucker you know what

a quarterback is only good as his supporting cast you got Lazard, you got Cobb you got probably top five right now in the league of young receivers up and coming and Garrett Wilson you got a top five defense all Zach Wilson has to do

is facilitate and don't make mistakes. That's all you got to do. That's all he has to do. I hope you're right because there are a lot of hope and anticipation and expectations. Man, do you know

what disappoints the person the most is when you have expectations. I met the woman of my dreams and she's not what I thought she was. Ocho, I had expectations. I saw us with a picket fence and 2.5 kids and two cars. Wait, 2.5? Yes, two and a half kids.

Okay, okay, okay. That's what I was expecting. I got these expectations, and she wasn't what I thought she was. Do you know how bad that hurt? I know. I know. Before you got married, we both been in a situation. You didn't care what she did and she didn't care what you did.

And when she found somebody else, you didn't give a D. But when you love that person, you invested time, you invested energy. And she did what she did it hurt so now there's expectation and when you talk perform it's gonna hurt yeah yeah oh and you took me back you took me back i'm sorry i thought i didn't want to go there i ain't want to go there i ain't want to go there but i want want you to understand what it means to a person's emotions. Right. I got you. And listen, Zach Wilson understands what's at the helm. He understands that he has a city. He has a city riding.

Well, I'm riding with him. I'm not sure how the city feels about it. But listen, Zach Wilson's at the helm right now with all he needs is support. That's it. Shannon, you're not giving Zach Wilson your support. I'm telling you, his job is going to be a little bit easier because of his support and cast, and he's going to be all right because that damn defense, oh, my goodness. They the real deal. The real deal.

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jordan Whitehead had three interceptions. He had a $250,000 incentive clause in his contract. If he gets three interceptions, he gets a quarter of a meal. He's already done that the first game.

Do you have a story where you have had incentives in your contract that you reached and were like, ooh, your boy just got 50, your boy just got 100, or were the incentives in your contract that you like, I mean, I missed out on this money. I'm sure I had incentives

in my contract. I know I did, obviously, because all contracts are incentive-based at some point, somewhere in the fine print, but I don't have a story. I'm not going to sit here and make one up either, but I know I did. I can't remember off the top of my head. You got to bring that question to me

next time. You got to bring that question to me next time, because I'm going to go do my homework. I'm going to go do my homework, because I know I had some after... Well, I had some after well I think see I was a seventh round draft pick so absolutely I had incentives in my contract I had incentives

if I got a thousand yards I got a hundred thousand dollars that's a hundred thousand dollars back then was a lot of money I mean it still is a lot of money but it was really a lot of money considering I was only making three hundred thousand so hell that was about to be a third of my so i needed 121 yards to get a thousand ocho i had five catches for a buck 16 and two touchdowns at the half and then catch another pass they did that on purpose i don't know what they did no they they did that on purpose i don't know what they did oh no no they they did that on purpose because

i've heard the stories of running backs needing a certain number of carries needing a certain number of yards towards the end of the season so they can hit an incentive oh and the team decided to make a business decision yeah i've heard the horror stories it's it's happened many of times now one of the one of the of the incentives I can think about, it had nothing to do with playtime. Just all I can remember off the top of my head was the all-season program. The all-season program. You ain't go to that?

Hell no. All-season program, you know, you get $350,000 to attend the all-season program. 90%. Yeah, yeah, get 90%. And that's the only one I can remember. But I'm sure I had some for touchdowns and catches and stuff like that. I took incentives out of my contract.

After that point, because someone else could control it. Because the way I looked at it, Ocho, I felt I was the best at my position. Shouldn't I go to the Pro Bowl? Right. I don't need to be incentive. Shouldn't I be all pro? Shouldn't I lead the team in catches? Shouldn't I lead the team in touchdowns?

I'm that dude. Right, right, right, right. So I don't need you to incentivize that. I'm him. I'm who I said I was. See, I know. They do play games with it, though. They play games with you, though.

Oh, they play games with you, though. Especially when it's time to hit those incentives, man. They keep track of all that stuff, especially if you're a running back. If you're a running back, they're going to play with you. They're going to play with you every time. Boy, you lobby. You should be a lobbyist in D.C. Because, boy, you lobby it hard for the running back to get their paper.

Oh, yeah, they need to. They need to. I'm not sure. Listen, the league, I understand the league is in a place now where they don't value the running back position as much as they should. But again, at some point there are running backs out there that are special. If you special,

if you special, Saquon, Alvin Kamara, CMC, Derrick Henry, Nick Chubb, what I saw from DeAndre Sifton where they ain't even used him in the past game. Swift can line up in the slots. Swift can line up in the slots slip swift could line up like levy on berries do with the steelers way out there running slants and

stuff like that they should be hitting double figures 10 15 20 million deal contracts those are the type of money they should be getting when you're special you know what i say oh just the way i look at it i don't care if you don't give me but $10, but I want all my $10 because I don't like that. Because here's the thing, I don't like it. Now, if I don't perform, you

release me and say you're making a business decision. I sign a contract. I perform the contract. I say I want a raise. You say I signed the contract. Well, so do you. Think about Dan Bryant. They released Dan. Dan had two years left. So it's like the only business that matter. And that's why I tell guys, man, don't y'all give them no discount. One time have you heard the NFL give these networks a discount from broadcasting live events? But they want a millionaire to give a billionaire a discount. Right.

Oh, hometown discount. Where they do that at? You ain't from my hometown. I don't know not one owner from Glenville. And none of them got no last name porter or shark so right right right we are related man it's it's it's a tough business i think as fans fans sometimes they get upset at the players for fighting for their money and the fact that the fact that we have to fight for money. I think fans don't really – they don't see ourselves. Are you surprised how the billionaires have convinced the fans that fans have more in common with billionaires

than they do the players, which are millionaires? Because here's the thing. This is what the owners know. This was a little bit before your time, but I remember it because I'm a lot older than you. In 82 and 87, they struck. And I won't be disrespectful to the players because some of the players ended up making rosters. But the replacement players. And guess what happened?

The fans showed up like they was John Elway and Jim Kelly and Dan Marino. So they didn't mess up and the owner said oh, so really? So we ain't going to do nothing. We ain't going to give you no guaranteed contract. We're not going to give you no lifetime health benefits because we can put somebody out there and replace you guys

and the product goes on. And guess what? These broadcasters and they're going to average. they're going to put it on because people love live events. Fantastic. Yeah, but that wouldn't work today. Yes, it would. It wouldn't work today.

Ocho, why do you think? The product on the field right now, if you take, let's say, all 1,500, 1,600 players, and say, you know what? Okay, we ain't playing. And the owner said, okay, we're going to get people to replace y'all. The product on the field ain't going to be the same. It won't be the same.

But guess what? The fans are going to still show up because they love football. They struck at 87. They struck at 82. And guess what happened? A lot of those players, I ain't going to name the names, but you go back and look it up. I want you to do your homework and look it up

and look at those big names that crossed that picket line. And guess what happens? So if you get four, five, six of those big name guys crossing, what's a guy that went in the fifth round or the sixth round or an undrafted free agent? If you got guys

that got MVPs and DPOYs coming across the picket line, what you think they're going to do, Ocho? They're coming too. Right. Because them owners know, see, the bank will say, okay, Jerry, hey, I want to push that $30 million loan payment that I got. I want to push it

until next year. Go tell your bank, you better give them their money or you better get up out that house in three months. And the private school that you send your kids to, you're going to have to be in public school until you make them payments. Right, right, right, right. And the owners know that.

Yeah. It's a dirty game, man. It is, bro. It's a dirty game when you go beneath the surface and you start peeling back them layers. It's a dirty game. But, Ocho, that's why I tell the guys don't mess your money up you gonna

wake up one morning and it's gonna be over I got every dime that Denver and the Ravens was supposed to give me they ain't took not one dime from me for missing a meeting being late doing nothing I'm gonna get all my money I want every

dime that I'm supposed to get all my money. I want every dime that I'm supposed to get. I like that. I got a question. You talk about every dime. I'm getting off the subject of we're talking football. We're talking sports related stuff. We talk anything. We want this on the show.

I've seen you flying private. You know how much it cost to fly private, man? Yeah. Do you know how hard I work? Yeah, I know how hard you work. I know how hard it's true. But come on over here.

Let me fly with me somewhere. Let me fly with me on Spirit real quick. Scene 18E. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. I'm sure, sure unfortunately there have been some people that passed in your family. You've gone to, you know, home-going services. My mama and grandma, yeah.

Yeah. Was there a Brinks truck in any part of that procession? No. Was there a U-Haul in any of that procession? So, say, ain't nobody took nothing with them. Now, you leave everything. What do you think your kid's going to do?

You think your kid's going to be as frugal and as thrifty and as miserly as you? Now, you made all that money, now. You. I would hope so because. Hope. You see what you did? You said you hope. Listen, let me tell you something. That's a female's name. I don't know

nothing about a hope. I went to school with a girl named Hope Perkins. Listen, Shannon, what percentage of us go broke two years after we finish playing? What percentage? That's if you, oh, probably like 87% if I'm not mistaken. 87% of us go broke after we done playing. Yes. But see, that's when you got oh, probably like 87% if I'm not mistaken. 87% of us go broke after we done playing.

Yes. But see, that's when you got three houses, four cars, and you got four people on college funds that's not your kids. You know what I'm talking about. I know what you're talking about. But even still, I got 411 kids. I'm still doing well. Very well. Yeah, for sure.

Very, very well. 12, 11 years removed from the game of football. You know what? I eat a certain way, but I treat myself occasionally. I'll eat some cookies. I have some chicken. I have a burger. Okay.

So if I want to work it hard as i've been working say you know what i'm gonna go i wasn't gonna be able to make the game on time right i promised time when i came out here and interviewed him in december i said i'll be here for your first game yes sir see i i don't make promises because promises are like pie crust, thin and easily broken. I make commitments. I committed to that man that I was going to come see his first home game. Right. I'm coming. I'm coming.

I don't mean to be in your personal business. I just, in case for me, if I want to say I want to dibble in my stash and I want to, you know, take the kids somewhere. Yeah. You know, we go on vacation or something. What's that going to run me? By how much? It all depends. It all depends on how big the jet is and how far you're going.

OK, let's see. I need a big one because, you know, I. So you want you want to G you want to G5, G6. So you're talking about 10,10,000, $15,000, $20,000 an hour. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Rewind. $15,000 to $20,000 an hour? An hour, yeah.

Oh, nah, man. Shit. Oh, my bad. My bad. My bad. $15,000 to $20,000 an hour. So if I got to fly to LA and LA is that's a four hour flight I gotta pay 50 grand

more than that probably come on man stop playing man listen I fly I have to do I have to work I have to work and fly and travel every Monday I gotta go to Jersey right I gotta go to Jersey quick right? I got to go to Jersey. Quick, right down the street, two hour flight.

I get Spirit Airlines. Ticket, $80. Round trip. I get from point A to point B just as fast, just as quick as you. You in Colorado, you in Colorado right now? But you know what I did? It is comfortable. You get the exit road.

You get the exit road. You ain't had no bed. You saw your boy laying down eating breakfast? Breakfast is made at $30,000. Hey, but listen. Let me tell you what I can do. I can stop at the drive-thru and get breakfast before I get on that flight. No. And sleep at $30,000.

Ocho. I'm going to be asleep. Look, I'm not wasting my money, Ocho okay I got I got two repaired hips I've got two artificial hips yeah I got my hip both my hips replaced wait one question one question both your hips replaced I messed up did you eat healthy did you eat healthy while you was playing man did we not do I'm just I'm just I'm just asking I'm just asking when you went when you was in the NFL did you eat healthy while you were playing? Man, we're not doing that. I'm just asking. I'm just asking. When you was in the NFL, did you eat healthy

while you were playing? I'm just asking a question. Yes. Okay, okay. All right, all right. I'm not saying it had anything to do with your hip replacements. I'm just asking

if you ate healthy or not. But, okay, go ahead. I mean, so what you were trying to say? What you trying to get at? No, I was just trying to say, I was just trying to say, I played for a long time. I played very well.

No, you didn't. You didn't play long with me. You didn't play long with me. I played long enough. I played 12. I played 12. I played 12 with no injuries, not one. Well, I messed up my pinky. Look at my pinky. I can't, I can't. I got 14. 14? But you know what? You ain't playing the trenches like I did 14. 14? Mm-hmm. Ooh. But you know what? You ain't playing the trenches like I did, though. But you better stop. I was a tight end. You haven't been on one special team.

Who? I played special teams until my fourth year in the league. What you talking about? I was a gunner. I was a gunner. So was I. What you talking about? And I was an L3 on the kickoff, kick return.

I was in the punt, punt return. I was the kicker. I was the backup kicker. What you saying? You ain't the only special team dude. Like I do it all. Did you see what that punter did in Buffalo? Did you see what he did? What is this?

So when you say you was a kicker, I don't pay that no attention. Don't do that. Don't do that. I't pay that no attention. Don't do that. Don't do that because I played safety in high school. Don't do that. Don't do that. Oh, my goodness. Don't do that. Everybody played both sides of football in high school.

This is the funny thing, something a lot of people don't know. This is something a lot of people don't know, and I'm going to share this story. Obviously, I went to Oregon State. I played with T.J. Hujamazada as a receiver. My quarterback went Jonathan Smith, who now is the head coach at Oregon State. The funny thing is, I was supposed to be a defensive back going into the draft. I was supposed to be a defensive back. I went to Oregon State to play DB.

Listen to me. Let me finish. I listen. I lie for you before I lie to you. But I get drafted by the Bengals. I tell Mr. Brown, Mr. Brown, I really don't want to play receiver. I want my dream is to always be an NFL DB because I want to be like prime. I want to be like prime. But the DB room was too crowded. The DB room was too crowded, and they moved me to receiver. You ain't even know that. Ocho, you won't hit nobody.

Ocho, you won't hit nobody. They said the same thing about prime. They said the same thing about prime. And he won't hit nobody and he won't hit nobody he won't hit him but one thing about it i locked down one side of the field huh why does everybody when they talk about they go to the highest man i was like prime or i was like lebron or i was like ken griffin jr why y'all just can't go to a marginal player because i'm not nothing about me marginal nothing about me is marginal.

Nothing about me is marginal. The only margin I know is butter. I ain't the one, and I'm not the two. I'm just telling you. Check my resume. Check my stats in high school. I had 22 picks one year. Nobody ever done that before in South Florida. Dade County legend, man.

I'm from Liberty City. You had 22 fantasy picks. That's what you had. Never that. Never that. Ocho, you played. You were the wide receiver. I was a defensive back at first.

I was forced to move to wide receivers. What I'm trying to tell you, I was a better defensive back than wide receiver. What forced you to move there is because you wouldn't hit anybody. No, that is not what it was. The fact that the DB room with the Bengals, it was too crowded. It was too many people. You didn't play DB at Oregon State. Yes, I did.

I played both ways. I was Travis Hunter before Travis Hunter. What did you talk about? I was Deion. I did all that, man. What did you talk about? I was Deion. I did all that, man. I did that. Deion Warwick? No.

You were saying it? What you mean? Deion who? Man. Listen, Liberty City Optimist, I played both ways. I played receiver, I played DB, I played quarterback, and I played center ways I played receiver, I played DB I played quarterback and I played center I did it all

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