Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Ocho’s Induction, MNF Reaction, Zach Wilson Debate

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson react to Chad being inducted into the Cincinnati Bengals Ring of Honor, the two Monday Night Football Games, and the latest with Zach Wilson. #Volume #Club #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's your favorite number 85, the newest member into the Cincinnati Bengals Ring of Honor. Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. Yes. You got the sunglasses on, so I know it wasn't real, but I know you cried me a river. Oh, Justin Timberlake. I didn't cry. Oh, bald head Justin Timberlake. Trust me, I didn't cry, but I'm feeling good.

Listen, I'm happy. Let me see your eyes. Let me see your eyes right quick I didn't cry, but I'm feeling good. Listen, I'm happy. Let me see y'all right quick. Oh yeah, you cried. You cried. You cried in the car. I bet you cried in the car. You cried in the car. I walked to the stadium. I walked to the stadium and I walked back here because I wanted to be amongst the people.

You wanted to be amongst the people. Yeah, I wanted to be amongst the people. And I wanted to feel the love that I have missed over a decade and some change. And that's exactly what it was. I had my kids walk with me. I had the missus walk with me. I had T.O. came out to support me, man. I saw him.

Man, listen, that felt good, man. That felt good to have my family with me. And then my extended family, my extended family of 80,000 out there screaming that name, hearing that Ocho, just the same way you explained it yesterday. You go into the ring of honor with a former colleague of mine, Boomer Sison. So tell me, what was that moment like? You're walking down as the half is about to end, you and your family and friends, you start to walk down and now all of a sudden you're on the field and you start to get a little quee like,

Oh man, this thing about to happen. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I kept thinking about happy thoughts and what I tried not to do. I tried not to go back to everything it took to get to this point. Cause if I thought about everything it took to get to this point. Because if I thought about everything it took to get to this point,

as far as making it to and getting that phone call from Mike Brown, and then all the ups and downs throughout my career, then the tears would have started flowing. I thought happy thoughts. I kept looking at my kids. I kept looking at the crowd. The focus and keep myself locked in so I don't cry. But that moment I took it all in.

I enjoyed it. You only get one of them. You only get one of them. You only get one of them. And, man, I'm going to savor that moment, man, forever. I'm surprised also knowing how close you were to your mom and grandmother and how special they would have been had they been there. Your mind, just for a second, didn't go there and say,

damn, I wish grandma, I wish Mama. I purposely stayed away from that. I'm just telling you. I was able to compartmentalize Mama, everything else that was bad, the journey to get to this point. Happy thoughts. Stare in the crowd.

Make eye contact. One person in the crowd and stay on that. You know, I didn't want to do it. I didn't want to break down in that moment, even though it would have been tears of joy. It would have been tears of sadness because I'm thinking about my mama not here. I'm thinking about my grandma not here.

Now, what's going to happen behind closed doors when I get back to Miami tomorrow? Guess where I'm going? With my ring on and jacket. I'm going to the graveyard. They buried right next to each other, so I'm going to have that moment with them. Let them see their baby.

Hold up, hold up. Boy, you almost caught me. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You were going to let them see their baby and say, hey, mama, granny, I did it. Yeah, let me get back right. Let me get back right.

You almost got me. You almost got me. Let me stop talking about that. But yeah, I'm going to have that moment with them tomorrow. I'm going to have that moment with them tomorrow, man. And they deserve it. So since they couldn't be yeah, I'm going to have that moment with them tomorrow. I'm going to have that moment with them tomorrow, man. And they deserve it.

So, since they couldn't be here, I'm going to go ahead and bring it to them. You're going to them. Yeah. The Bengals, okay, you guys win 19-16, a very hard-fought ball game. Oh, yeah. Joe Burrow dealing with that calf injury. 31 pass attempts in the first half. 49 attempts for the game.

Yeah. Are your Bengals back? My Bengals are back. They're not back and not efficient as what we're used to seeing. But this is the start. This is the start. I told you something about the Bengals. We always start 0-2 all the time, all the time.

I think statistically Chase is not where he wants to be. Joe knows he's not where he wants to be because of two slow starts. Obviously, we're used to putting up big numbers, even though there were losses most of the time at the beginning of the seasons. But this is a start. This is a confidence builder for us offensively. This is a confidence builder for us defensively. And I think it's a foundation or something that we can start off

and keep on making a run through the rest of the season, especially with us having two losses already in the AFC North. Cincinnati has not gone three straight games, three games in a row without scoring a first-half touchdown. Is that concerning for you? It's not concerning. It's all about us offensively starting fast. And I'm sure Zach and the offensive coordinator,

they will get in that film room and find out what works best for them. Again, I think when you change your tendencies and what teams know you're going to do, because they've had so much success offensively, I think teams are ready. They're ready for everything they've seen. They're ready for the new wrinkles that you do throw at them. So change the tendencies a little bit. If you're known for running on first down, let's throw them first. If you're known for running on first down, just little stuff like that. Just change it up so you're not so predictable. How much is Joe Burrow mobility impacting what this offense can do? Because we know Joe is a guy that can rely on his legs. He can get outside and make plays, not only throwing the ball, but also running the ball. How much of his mobility has hampered this offense?

I think it's hampered it a little bit. It's hampered a little bit, but I'll take a 70% Joe Burrow over other NFL teams quarterbacks. Quarterback at 100%. I'm just saying. Because Joe is poised. He's a pocket passer first, and he runs when he has to. Correct. Not just to be doing so.

So the fact that he is hampered, he's still great at being a pocket passer. And with minimal movement, he can still be very efficient from the pocket. I thought your defense played really well last uh tonight um when you look at it the rams got into the red zone a bunch but you made them settle for field goals field goal gets you beat touchdowns when you games wins your championship so i was really impressed with hendricks and those guys were able to get out in the field even even though the Rams consistently found themselves in your red zone. They did. This is what you call the definition of a bend but don't break defense. We don't let you in.

You don't find a wrinkle. You don't get a wrinkle here. We'll let you get in here. But once you get to this certain part, an area in our territory, in the field, in the red zone, uh-uh, that's it. And it's just a testament to the difficulty and how difficult it is for teams. Once you get in a team's red zone, uh-uh, that's it. And it's just a testament to the difficulty and how difficult it is for teams. Once you get in a team's red zone,

on how hard it is to score. It's very difficult to score, but you only have so much space to work with, and there's only so much you can do and call. Right, and so if a guy makes a mistake because there's limited space, he can make up for it. Oh, yeah. The other game of the night, the Eagles and the Bucs, 25-11.

If I'm not mistaken, that other game of the night, the Eagles and the Bucks, 25, 11. If I'm not mistaken, that might've been the first time in NFL history that a game has ended 25 to 11. Uh, the Eagles, 472 yards, Hale Tampa to 174 yards, one by 14 on the road, uh, kept the ball for almost 10 minutes to end the ball game. Jesus. I don't know how much of that. I know you saw a little bit of this ball game, but what was kind of your takeaway, the Eagles 25-11 over the Bucs?

Listen, it was hard for me to watch the game in its totality to be able to really give an assessment, a fair assessment on how the game went. But I was hoping, I was hoping, I'm just going to be honest. I was hoping that Baker could pull a game like this off because I haven't heard the praise for Baker for what he's been able to do with the Bucs and his start. What have you done?

What was their record? Shannon, what were the Bucs record? When? Last year? With Tom Brady? When they made the playoff, they won the division? No, I'm talking about... They were 2-0. about okay they was 2-0 that's a good start you know why because that was because of Baker Mayfield and what he's been doing offensively as a quarterback I'm just telling

you but again the Eagles came away with this game it was a good game but I just think the Bucks were out matched offensively they were out matched defensively and obviously the Eagles are polished they're very polished. They're a playoff team. They are a contender this year. And they did exactly

what they needed to do to come out and win a game against a team that they should beat. Yeah, I thought the Eagles, I mean, when you look at it, they did win by two scores. They won by 14. But I still think the Eagles got another gear they can play with. Even though they won by 14, if you watch this game,

Hurts had some costly turnovers that really hurt his team. And, I mean, he was trying to get the ball to A.J., and A.J. had a good game, dropped a touchdown he probably wished he had back. But I'm still not – I know Jalen Hurts has another level, because I saw it last year, that he can get to that he's not quite there yet. He's not quite there yet, but this is what I love about the beginning of the season.

You got to get the rust out. You got to get the cobwebs out. The fact that players don't play in the preseason, and I think this is a testament to how important the preseason is to get your chemistry down, to get your timing down, to get that timing down, especially the refs. I think people, the casual, I don't want to be rude, the casual fan that watches the game, that watches the game, what you see on Sundays is very much different than what we do in practice. You can run and practice 365 days a year. When you get into that game, nothing is the same.

It's completely different. It's a completely different feeling. I don't even know how to explain it. It's just completely different, which is why I think preseason is so important. But he's going to get there. The more games they play, the person's going to get into that rhythm

and that magic you talk about that he showed last year. There's something that happens in a game that doesn't happen in practice. It's called adrenaline. It's called that fight or flight, that fear of failure. In the game, you don't know these guys. And it's like – but I've always felt that practice for me was harder than the game because I'm going up against a guy that I've been going up against in practice for three four years he know all my moves he know the release he knows oh yeah okay sharp I see you at the top of the numbers I already know what you're about to do

okay you better open that split up I know you're about to run this bang on me so when I get to the game yeah he's watching tape but he doesn't know the nuances of a guy that sees me every day in practice so i really felt that if i could beat the guys in practice that i had gone up against every day two three four years the game was going to be relatively easy for me but like we talked about earlier uh uh in a couple of episodes ocho pre-season was so important for me to get my breathing down, to get my timing down, get my rhythm down. I needed to get my spidey sense and tingling for a game.

Right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, I needed that. Nah, I told you. I told you before. Obviously, I pissed Marvin off a few times, you know, having to call timeouts to get me out of the preseason game before I hurt myself. And I told Marv, I said, Marv, you know, having to call timeouts to get me out of the preseason game before I hurt myself.

And I told Marv, I say, Marv, you understand how important this is for me to get my timing down, to get that rhythm and chemistry, you know, with Carson. And he just, he wasn't going for it, but I really needed it. And I think, I still think to this day, Marv Lewis didn't understand the importance and how much preseason meant to me. Because a lot of players, the veterans, didn't want to do it. They didn't want to do it. They felt they didn't need it. I needed it. I needed it.

Because for me, it was all about breathing. It's all about steps. It's about finding your way. Like, uh, uh, in, dip. Am I going to rip? How am I going to get up? Just working on a little small stuff. Jalen Hurts has now rushed for 29, has 29 career touchdowns,

passing Cam Newton for the most rushed TDs by a quarterback in his first 50 career games. What have you seen from Jalen Hurts? Because the guy that came in mainly, and we understood and we respected his legs, but although he is still a tremendous runner, he's become a very, very good thrower of the football. You know what?

That makes it very difficult for defensive coordinators because what you're going to do with him? You can spy him because you put a spy on him. You know what that means? That means somebody else is going to be open. Yeah, I mean somebody else got one-on-one coverage. Somebody else got one-on-one coverage. And the fact that he has the weaponry he has at his disposal,

they're going to always be a mismatch. So you have to pick your poison defensively. You want to spy him or you just want to drop everybody back and he can beat you with his legs. It's on you. So pick your poison. You want to die fast or you want to die slow? Either way, you're going to die.

You know what I like most about jalen hurst because but it just goes to show you that no matter where you start at if you work at something you can get incrementally better because if you look at the maturation that jalen hurst has gone through from the time that he got in you can see he's a much better thrower of the football so that's when i say when guys talk about man you watch a guy and you're like man he hadn't gotten any better since his rookie year from his second year to his third year as a matter of fact that tells me now there's a difference between habit and hard work because a lot of times people think because they do something over and

over they're working hard that's habit right jalen has worked hard, and he's made himself a very good thrower of the football. I'm not saying he's ever going to be Aaron Rodgers, but he's a better thrower of the football. He's a more dangerous quarterback, a more complete quarterback than what he was when he entered the league. I have a question in the fact that you said that. I think all quarterbacks work hard. I think all quarterbacks work hard

because in order to get to this level and in order to reach the pinnacle of success and being one of the one percenters in the world to make it to the NFL and play a particular position, we are the commander and the leader of a team. You have to work hard at it. But I think what Jalen has is he has a great supporting cast at his disposal and in fact, he is great himself supporting cast at his disposal. And in fact, he is great himself and working to be great.

So it's magnified that much more better on the work that he's put in. I think for other quarterbacks, where they fail at is they put in the work and they're doing everything they can to be better, but they don't have the tools around them to allow that work present itself when the lights are on, if that makes sense. Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. If I gave you a 200-piece toolbox- Yes, sir.

And say, fix that car, what you going to do? A 200-piece toolbox? A 200-piece toolbox and say, fix this car. What you going to do? I'm going to fix it. Sometimes you just don't know what the hell you're doing. It doesn't matter the tools that you're working with, Ochoa. Right.

At some point in time, you will have to come to that conclusion. I know you keep saying give all this and all that. Hey, Jameis Winston had those same tools that Tom Brady had that he took to the Super Bowl after they missed the playoffs and Jameis threw 32 touchdowns. I mean, 32 interceptions. Excuse me. Okay. I think he had 33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions.

33 touchdowns, 30 interceptions. Right. Right. You're right. You're right. I don't like the comparison because we talk about the greatest quarterback of all time and the great – and Jameis Winston is a good quarterback. He's a good quarterback.

But I'm saying – but you've seen situations where guys come in and for whatever reason, guys will rally around. Guys will play – will make plays. They was like, why you didn't make that play for him? Some things you just can't offer an explanation for. I think individuals,

I think the difference in quarterbacks to me, it's up here. It's up here. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, their ability to process. Not only do they believe they have the skill set, they have the arm strength, but here. They beating everybody up here.

They know what you're doing before you even do it. Yes. They know what you're doing. They're seeing it before it even happens. And the game to them is so slow. Yes. And you know exactly what I'm talking about. When you was in a zone.

Whatever year it may be. When you hitting your stride. It's in slow motion. And the game is moving so slow. And you know exactly what I'm talking about. When you was in the zone, whatever year it may be, when you hitting your stride in the game and moving so slow, yes, in slow motion, that's when you know you locked in. And it's something that, man, listen, Shannon, when you own,

you know the year you had when you was on. When you own, and everything is going in slow motion and it's like and you're seeing it before it even happened and i think that's what peyton manning had tom brady had and they had it consistently year in and year out yeah you know what but it it takes a you we talk about these upper tier upper level quarterbacks we talking about the the zero zero 15 15 zeros point one those only a hand like only a handful have ever reached that level right it takes a special type of lady to be in their

lives because when you hear the you've heard a lot of people say it's lonely at the top oh you're in the back seat baby top tier quarterback yeah Because it's almost like you're the mother and the father because you're doing so much because you're living for the other person. Because you take the kid, you're showing the kids the practice and the recitals, and he's asking, okay, we got levels here. What's very, very, very, very important that I can't miss? Very, very important. And what's okay? Hey, I missed that. It's very, very, very, very important that I can't miss. Very, very important. And what's okay,

hey, I missed that, it's all good. So let me know so I can put this in my schedule because not only are they watching, you know, two, three hours of film at work, they go home and they're going over and over. And these guys

keep notebooks of every defensive coordinator that they face so if he ever becomes a head coach or if he goes somewhere else, they've got a book on him. Oh, yeah. They know what's coming. And you know the funny thing about it? It don't change. No.

Much don't change. Whatever someone's formula is, that formula goes with them and it travels wherever they go. So it doesn't change. Yeah, if you play Rick Ryan, you're going to get pressure. If you play Rick Ryan, you're going to get pressure because he's going to chip off his old – he's like his dad. Oh, God, yeah.

They coming. Yeah, every time. Every time. You know what? There's a lot being made. Jalen Hurst scored his 10th rush touchdown on the push sneak over the last two seasons so it's that it's like that that rugby scrum yeah what are your thoughts on that should they outlaw it should they ban it what's going on with you i think the um you know

you know if you if they have they're doing something that you don't like and you can't stop it don't let him don't let him get down in the it, don't let him get down in the red zone. Don't let him get down in the red zone. Don't let him get third and short and fourth and short. Wait, there's no way to stop it then. Everybody else needs to take a page out of their book and do the same thing. Well, everybody got a quarterback that can squat 600 pounds. But that boy squat 600?

Yes. Golly. That's what I see. That's crazy. I can only do 750, but, you know. I didn't know he was like that. I thought it was just me and Nick Chubb could squat like that. But, hey, that's a good idea. Listen, there's no way to stop that.

There's no way to stop that. The offensive linemen, they just going low. And then they got the guy pushing him in the back. Then you got somebody pushing you in the back. Yeah. There's no way to stop that. Is it fair? No, it's not.

Is there a way to stop it? No, there isn't. But, I mean, if you make a rule change, then what's next? Right. If you make a rule change, then what? Well, I mean, you know what? Because they've handicapped the defense so much. So if they take that out of the offense.

Exactly. I mean, to make it fair, because now, you know, incidental contact, the defenseless receiver, you know, helmet to helmet. You got so many rules against the defense. I'm surprised we don't see more 50- and 60-point game scores considering how they've taken the ability to punish the quarterback or punish the receiver out of the ballgame. Listen, it's become a past happy league,

and I think they've made it like that purposely just so there's more excitement for the fans. They put up more and more points, and that is where we're getting. To an extent. To an extent. Because I don't think we're going to see a 70-gamer, a 70-bomb like we saw between the Dolphins and the Broncos. But again, the NFL wants high-scoring game

because high-scoring game creates more eyes and more attention. And at the end of the day, we know what the bottom line is, more money. Yeah. I mean, look, all that purist, oh, I like old-school football. I like 10-7. No, I don't. If I go to a baseball game, which isn't often, I'm not trying to see a 1-0.

I'm not trying to see a 2-1 ball game. I want to see 9-8. I want to see balls going over the fence. If it's basketball, I don't want to see like when I grew up, I mean, in the 90s, the score was like 83-76. Now they get 80 points at the half. I want to see 138 to 142. That's what I want to see.

And you say basketball, ain't nobody out there playing no defense, huh? No, they ain't playing no defense. They ain't playing no defense. But you know, back in the day, you know, when the Pistons, the bad boy Pistons,

and the Miami Heat, and the Knicks, when they were playing football, basketball, the scores were low. Elbows. Yeah. You had to think twice

before going through that lane for layups. And I don't remember the flagrant fouls when who was that? That was Kevin McHale snatched Kirk Ramos out the air with the Lakers game. And they started fighting. Hey, nobody got

tossed. They was like, okay, you shoot the two free throws and let's go again. The bad boy pistol when they was snatching Jordan out there. They're like, okay, you shoot the two free throws and let's go again. The bad boy pistol when they was snatching Jordan out there, they didn't throw nobody out. Yeah, yeah. Time to change.

Time to change. And I'm not going to say they haven't gotten soft. I'm just saying time to change so everything has evolved where the rules had no choice but to change with the times. Yeah. The Jets, you're someone, Robert Sala backs Zach Wilson.

He says he's our unquestioned quarterback. You don't throw people away, man. He's not the reason why we lost. He's not the reason y'all won either. Listen, he's not the reason we lost either. So I told you what I need to do. I need to go and break down film, right? I said I need to go see

the film copy so I can get a better understanding what was happening. Zach Wilson was rattled. The score was close the entire game up until the fourth quarter. The score was close. Close on the matter of the slow dancing. I know that.

You were today's great dance. Listen, you know it was a great defensive game, right? It was a great defensive game from both matter of slow dancing. I know it does. You were today's great dance. Listen, it was a great defensive game, right? It was a great defensive game from both sides of the ball. It was very difficult for each team to score, for each team to move the ball, because if they were moving the ball as efficient as they should have been, it would have been field goals galore

from both sides, but it wasn't. It wasn't. In the key times that Zach could have made plays or should have made the right decision on certain plays, he was flush and couldn't make the throw based on what I could see from film. Hold on.

I'm just telling you that. Hold on. This man, the number two pick in the draft. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Let's say they ran 65 plays, right? I'm just throwing this out there. Okay. Let's say they ran 65 plays offensively. Average.

You know, out of 65 plays, you know one or two of those plays out of 65 make the difference in that game? Of course. You know that? It's crazy. It's crazy. I don't even know the stat. I just know if you run 65 or something plays, it's one or two plays that make the difference in that game. But there was a play.

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But from getting hit early on, getting flushed out, he just a little flustered and just wanted to go for the safe throw. Okay. Just small stuff like that. Just small stuff like that is the difference in a football game. Think about the receivers. If they would shy away like that, just small stuff like that is the difference in a football game. Think about if receivers, if they would shy away like that, so we got hit in the first or the second quarter,

third quarter, come fourth quarter, we wouldn't go across the middle and catch the ball. Ain't nobody gonna say, oh, well, you know, he was a little flustered. He took a couple shots early. You notice how people like yourself and others make excuses for quarterbacks. They don't make for any other position. I'm not making no excuse.

I'm not making no excuse. Can I ask you a question? You can ask me a question. Have you ever played the position of quarterback at any level? Yes, I did. At any level? At what level was that? Did you have on pads and a helmet? Yes! Was your O-line good?

Was your O-line good? They were all right. Was your O-line good? They were okay, Ojo. Do you know what it's like to lose your confidence as a quarterback? No, I don't. I ain't never lost no confidence. I'm that dude. I'm him. I'm Shannon Bofo Sharp.

Mary Porter raised three the hard way. I ain't never lost no confidence. I ain't shook and can never be stirred. I don't know who you think you're talking to you must have forgot okay you forget oh hold on joe i had my name up in the stadium almost two decades before you got yours up there did you forget who on the other end of this camera yeah i know i know i'm talking but what i can't do listen ain't nobody had more confidence than me you know but i can empathize with those that are going through struggles,

that are having problems, that are playing a specific position in a specific place that makes it hell for others. Who cares? That haven't been able to be successful at that position as well. Let me ask you a question. We continue to blame it on the same. We continue to blame it on the quarterback every time. We continue to blame it on the quarterback every time.

Every time. Every time. We continue to blame it on the quarterback every time. Every time. Every time. Mark Sanchez. Sam Donald. Zach Wilson. Joe Flacco. When things aren't going well, it's always the goddamn quarterback's fault. Well, maybe

it ain't the motherfucking quarterback. Maybe it's not them. Maybe it's not them. Let me ask you a question. When Tom Brady got all the – I just want to ask you this. You asked me this. How many times they mentioned –

on those game-winning drives that Tom Brady had, how many times they mentioned the receiver that caught the ball? How many times they mentioned the offensive line? How many times they mentioned the coach? Or did they mention Tom Brady? Did it again. It's the brady effect i'm just asking i'm just i mean just just just talk to me like i know no i'm just i'm just

asking i know you were my tom tom brady he drives the needle he makes that he makes the needle move okay pay with paid man he had all those comfort behind hey he got he got a lot of them fourth fourth quarter comebacks too i watched I watched them. I remember. They ain't mentioning nobody else. You right. You right. That's why you make that. Why you think Patrick Mahomes got $212 million guaranteed over the next four years?

Yeah. You got it. He's good. Yeah, you understand. You understand the quarterbacks that you're naming. You're naming. No, but I'm saying. Those that are cemented with legacies are the best to play the position. But I'm saying those guys. It's different, man. Hold on. Let me ask you're naming. No, but I'm saying... Those that are submitted with legacies are the best to play the position.

But I'm saying those guys... It's different, man. Hold on, let me ask you a question. It's hard finding people. How about this here? It's hard finding those, man. They different. Let me ask you a question.

What year did you start playing football? In... How old were you? How old were you? In 77. Okay, 77. So, first of all, you weren't born yet. But anyway, so you started playing football. So, now, let me ask you this. 87, my bad. Okay, thank you., first of all, you weren't born yet. But anyway, so you started playing football.

So, now let me ask you this. 87, my bad. Okay, thank you. That sounds better to me. Okay, they said, okay, offensive lineman, right here. Defensive lineman, right here. Running backs, right here. Wide receivers over there.

DBs over there. Quarterbacks. What line did they go get in? If you went and got your ass in the quarterback line, don't give me no excuses now. You chose to play that position. Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. And you know what you got to do?

You know what you got to do? I never played quarterback at the highest level. I played quarterback in high school, and I was okay. I was okay. I was good. Nah, you wasn't okay. I can tell you ain't have no arm. Who ain't have no arm?

Man, I threw for 7,200 yards one season. I threw for 7,200 yards, man. Like I said. Hey. Don't play at me, man. Don't do that. Don't do that. Hey, man, I was like that at quarterback, man.

I'm just telling you. I was like that at quarterback. I was him. Do your homework, man. You got to take a number of shotgun was like that at quarterback, man. I'm just telling you. I was like that at quarterback. I was him. Do your homework, man. You got to take a number of shotgun snaps. Do your homework, man. Do your homework. I went to shotgun.

I was under the center. I was under the center. I was too short. I was number two. Miami Beach senior high. High tide. Real deal. Talk to me.

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I've seen enough of Zach Wilson. Says this is the lowest point as a fan of the team. He says he's the lowest. He said he lowered in whale poop. And that's at the bottom of the sea. That's how low Joe Namath said he is. See, I don't like that. I don't like that. What you don't is. See, I don't like that. I mean, why?

What you don't like about it? I don't like that. Why? Why as a player? I'm sure Joe's had some bad years, too. At some time, at some point when Joe was playing, he's had some bad years. He's had some bad games. Yes.

Multiple of them. I'm sure he has. Yes. Let me tell you something. A lot of people tell me on Twitter, Chad, at some point, you're going to have to set into reality and critique these players when shit is not going

well. Man, fuck that shit. Excuse me for a minute, Shannon. I ain't mean to curse on your show. I know what it's like to have a bad game. It's your show, too. I know what it's like to drop a ball. I know that feeling. I know that feeling of not being playing at home and drop an important third down that could have kept a goddamn drive going and having the stands of opposing fans fucking booing you. I've been in the New York Stadium.

I've been in New York before. I know what it's like to play in the New York Stadium and be amongst the people in that city. They don't play that shit. They are cutthroat. Much like the Eagles fans, you have to come out there and you have to perform. In order to do that,

you have to be very, very confident in what you do and in yourself and in your skills. It takes a specific type of player to play in that environment in New York. And to me, I think what they have done to my fucking homie Zach Wilson,

they have drained him of the last bit of confidence he has and that is the goddamn problem. The media, oh, the New York media don't care nothing about you. They don't care nothing about you. You gotta be built different to play there, man. You just got to. Now you got a legend in Joe Namath coming.

If anything, you're supposed to be one of the first ones to come behind him and say, listen, Zach, I believe in you. I know things ain't going the way you want to, but here we go. Here we go. He must have forgot what it's like to be in a position like Zach is because now you're on your high horse as a legend. Ocho. I'm just saying, your high horse. As a legend. Oh, Joe. I'm just saying, come on, man.

Oh, Joe. I can't bring myself to do no bullshit like that. That's bullshit. Because he said he's low? No disrespect to Joe Namath and what he's accomplished in this NFL, because he's a motherfucking legend. But that's some fucking bullshit to come out and say something like that.

How do you think that's going to affect Zach? And he already got to deal with the New York media. He already got to deal with the pundits, scrutinizing his every move. Everything. I'm just saying. That shit irks me, man. That shit irks me.

That's just my opinion. If you got something bad to say, Joe, keep it to yourself. You ain't got to make that shit public. You don't have to do that. The team is going through enough. Zach is going through enough hearing it from everybody. And if anything, as a former player of that team, a legend of that team,

probably hearing something positive from Joe Namath would have been to pick me up somebody like Zach might have needed. But here you go. It's always the old folks, too. Always the old folks. No disrespect to Joe, because you asked my opinion. I'm just giving it to you. So clearly right now, your team, Zach Wilson, you think the media, you think former players

are being, you think analysts, pundits are being too harsh, too critical of Zach Wilson. Year three, as a quarterback, is you'll make it a brick a year. I understand that. It is the grading scale. It is the gauge and how they scale whether you have arrived or if you haven't. Basically, it hasn't gone the way Zach Wilson wants.

It hasn't gone the way everyone else thinks it should have gone to this point, based on the sample size that we have seen. Right. Me, being one that is a continued supporter, it ain't just Zach Wilson. I support every goddamn body. When Baker Mayfield wasn't playing well, I was supporting him. Any other quarterback, when James Winston wasn't playing well, I was supporting him.

When Tua wasn't playing well and everybody's talking trash, I've always been on the bandwagon on the positive side of things and trying to find something good. I think when you offer a critique to someone, if you offer a critique to someone, I think what you're doing, you're misconstruing. I can still support you and say, Ocho, you was wrong in that situation. You see, if you do something wrong, if I don't tell you you done wrong, how much am I actually supporting you by not telling you that you're wrong? not telling you that you're wrong.

Well, actually, you're not telling him he's wrong because if you want to tell him, you would have to actually go to that individual and tell them that they're wrong. But when you do it in this space and on this type of platform, I'm not just saying here. I'm not just saying here or on TV, for that matter.

They don't take it that way. They don't take it that way. That's not my problem. That's what you're a problem. They're not take it that way. They don't take it that way. That's not my problem. That's a human problem. They're not able to separate the two. They take that personal. How is that my fault? Because I've got, hold on.

Okay. Zach Wilson has a job to do. Shannon Sharp has a job to do. Zach Wilson is not doing his job. Shannon Sharp is saying Zach Wilson isn't doing his job. And in saying Zach isn't doing his job, Shannon is doing his job. Shannon Sharp is saying Zach Wilson isn't doing his job. And in saying Zach isn't doing his job, Shannon is doing his job.

So how am I wrong? There's a way to say he's not getting the job done. And your delivery can be very difficult. It can be very hard. Do you want the mail? Yes or no? You want your mail by noon? Or do you want me to bring your mail at

8 o'clock at night? Yeah, but when you bring the mail, your shit be Amazon Prime. Yeah, that's right. Amazon Prime. And I'll pay for shipping and handling because I'm going to make sure you get it. Yep.

I apologize. And I apologize to people that are watching the show I have to find a way to navigate around that and be able to critique players and do it in a positive way where it's received the right way and that's just something I have to find to navigate because there are too many positives

and we just hone in on what's negative and it's always I or this individual I, it's a team game it's always I or this individual. I. It's a team game. It's a team game. They're not playing well as a whole. As opposed to just singling one

motherfucker out. Let me ask you a question. When you was doing those celebrations, how many teammates you had with you? When you was doing the salsa or when you was playing golf? Talk to me. Let me tell you something. In order for me to even celebrate, it started from the O-line. Then it started the quarterback. Then it started with the running back picking up

the goddamn foot. No, no, no. We're not talking about everybody doing their job. I'm asking you, how many teammates did you include in your celebrations? I wasn't allowed because it was against the rules. So I couldn't include them. What do you mean you weren't allowed?

You can't include... There were no group celebrations back then when I was playing. You know that. Hey, go ahead and take it. Go ahead and take one for the team. Y'all teammates, right? We together.

We in this together. We a team, right? I'm... No, listen. Yeah, we a team, but I'm the only one that was willing to lose money behind having fun.

They wasn't losing no money behind that. Ocho. Listen to me. We've become a very sensitive society in that especially. Yeah, it's been that way. What happens, and I'm just

talking about when I, especially African-American, when I critique black players, the first thing they try to use, well, you're trying to tear a brother down. See? You see? They can't separate the two. And guess what? I'm still in front of them. I'm still

in front of the camera. I'm still in front of the mic. See, I'm not attacking you personally. I don't know what you do in your home. I'm not talking about what you did. I'm talking about your play on the field. I think, I would like to think because I played the game at a high enough

level, and I think because I watched film, I'm able to critique you fairly. If you play well, I'm going to say that. If you play bad, I'm going to say that. Why won't you ever say, why don't, let me ask you a question. Why players

don't ever say, man, man, I wish Unk would start praising me. Man, I had this 150-yard two-touchdown game, and Unk, man, I don't want that kind of praise. I don't want that kind of adoration. It's only when they play bad, and I point that out, am I trying to tear the brother down. You didn't say nothing when I built you up. Listen, who is a harsher critique tell the brother down? You didn't say nothing when I built you up. Listen,

who is a harsher critique than the individual themselves? Huh? If you played a game of football and you have a bad game, who is your worst critic? Yourself. So I don't,

I mean, as a player, I don't need to be piggybacking. You're already feeling bad already, but now you got to listen to these motherfuckers talking shit about you too. Let me ask you a question. I understand how they feel. They take it personally.

It does. I know I have that game. It stings. The greater the player that offers the critique of you, the more it stings. You see, if Denzel says, I like your movie and you're an actress or you're an actor, that means something. That's Denzel.

Yeah. If Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan says, I like him, that means something. Yes, sir. Shannon Sharp has a gold jacket. Shannon Sharp says he didn't play well. Right. Man, damn. Right. shannon sharp says he didn't play well right damn damn right so how do you sell how do you sell that to the fans because i give credit what credits do if a guy plays well i'm gonna say it

if a guy plays bad i'm gonna say it if i'm wrong if i said you know what i'll come out and say you know what i was wrong about him i missed him i. I missed the ball. I didn't see this coming. And that's okay. Nobody is perfect. Nobody's going to get every player that they said was going to be good turns out to be great. Every player that they say turns out was going to be bad, that's not the case. But we've got to stop this notion that somebody is hating on you

because they said you didn't play well. You're saying we need to stop this notion, but it hasn't stopped. And it never will stop because players feel a certain way about analysts and opponents. And guess what? And they got more and more shows like you and I are popping up. So guess what else is

going to stop? People offering critiques of said players. Right. Right. But you have to understand, Ojo. You know what the funny thing about it? Most of the shows continue to, all the shows can pop up as much as they want. But very few have the accolades and the

resume to be doing the talking. Right. But you remember. And I'm one of the few that have the resume and the accolades to do the talking, but I know what it feel like. I know what it feel like to have a bad game. To me, it's hard to do it. But you know what I'm going to try to do? How about I do this? How about

before I start, when somebody has a bad game, how about I just make a disclaimer? No. How about I make a disclaimer about this individual? Listen, I see you and hold you to a different standard because you that boy. You him. Yes! And you know how I feel about you, and you know I love you because I've been talking about you to a different standard because you that boy. You him. Yes! And you know how I feel about you

and you know I love you because I've been talking about you great for 10 plus years. But see, they forget all about that. They forget all about that. They forget all about that. They forget every great thing that I said and just remember the one.

But how about I just do that? So then what I'm going to do? I'll do that. Have a disclaimer on all the positives I said. So this one little negative, this is what you could do better based on what I saw because I hold you to a different standard, and this is what I expect from you. Can I do that?

Can I do that? Ocho, everybody knows how I feel about LeBron. You've heard me go on TV and say LeBron didn't play well. I need LeBron to play better. LeBron is going to respect that because he knows that I don't got no astrogram with nobody. LeBron is built different. He's different.

LeBron can handle that. He's been dealing with that since high school. He's been dealing with the naysayers, the positives, the negatives. He's able to navigate through that and understand it's not personal. Let me ask you a question. What professional athlete? LeBron is built differently here.

What professional athlete has gotten 1,000% support all the way through? Everybody's been doubting. Everybody's been saying he ain't going to make it. He can't. She can't. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa can't she can't whoa whoa whoa yeah they've been there's levels to that now

don't go there LeBron's level and pressure of doubt from high schools being chosen and being the next great one and actually living up to it man that is incomparable incomparable but here think he's exceeded.

But here's the thing. But here's the thing. There have been a lot of, not to the level of LeBron, but there have been a lot of guys that were supposed to be that guy and didn't do it. It's hard to live up to that. It's very difficult

to live up to that. You know how hard? For one, longevity. Longevity. Yeah, 21 seasons, yeah. Discipline. Consistency. Yes. And staying focused and locked in. You know how difficult it is to have

that combination for a long extended period of time and sustain that. That's very difficult to do. And a lot of people, it drives. See, I'm old enough to remember before Jordan started winning championships what they said about him,

that he couldn't win, that he was a selfish player, and he was taking ill-advised shots, and it was all about him. See, once he started winning, everybody forgot the seven, eight years that they said all those things about it. But he cataloged it, kept it in the back of his mind,

and used that as fuel. Same thing with Kobe. Tiger Woods. All these. I don't care what level you played at. They're built different. Oh, yeah. I'm saying those guys, but everybody has had doubt,

has been doubted at some point in time in their life. So we can talk about the world's richest man, or we can talk about somebody that's working an hourly job. They've been doubted. Right. Now, what are you going to do? Are you going to, oh, man, they doubted me. Let me go ahead and prove them right.

I ain't going to mount an issue. No. I'm not. See, I've never tried to prove anybody wrong. I've just tried to prove me right. And in the process of doing that, you'll be wrong. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

But you got it. But, Ocho, like you said, you got the credentials. You played at a high level. It wasn't like you was some bum that you was just collecting a check. You was just a body. No, I was that boy. Now, don't do that. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Listen, I told you what I was going to do on Wednesday throughout the media. I sent the DBEs and I sent them a gift and went out there and did it. Every week for a decade straight. I had some fun. But, again, I've also had – and went out there and did it. Okay. Every week for a decade straight. I had some fun. But again, I've also had- So you trying to tear a brother down. See what you did?

Listen. You trying to bring them down doing that. But I also know what it's like to have a bad game. I know what that feel like. And I feel bad. I feel very bad because I was my harshest critic. Ocho, you make it seem like Zach Wilson has had one bad game. He's had three bad years.

We ain't talking about no one game. Okay, he had three bad years. I remember I had a relationship. I had a relationship. I was in for three years, and she left me. She left you? Hold on. She left me.

Let me ask you a question. Listen, I did all I can. I went to practice. I did film study. You know, Zach Wilson doing all that. He's studying. He me ask you a question. And listen, I did all I can. I went to practice. I did film study. You know, Zach Wilson doing all that. He's studying. He's working hard doing everything he can. Why'd she leave you?

Why'd she leave you? Huh? Why'd she leave you? Huh? Why'd she leave you? Oh, for some other dude. Some, I don't know. I don't see.

I don't know. She didn't want Ocho. Hold on. So you mean to tell me somebody didn't want Ocho? Oh, no. I want Ocho. Yeah. This was when I was in Madden. I know with Chad Johnson. She didn't want Ocho? Hold on. So you mean to tell me somebody didn't want Ocho? Oh, no. I want Ocho. Yeah. This was when I was in Madden.

I know with Chad Johnson. She didn't want Chad Johnson. Yeah, I was young. I hadn't even made it yet. I hadn't even made it yet. Yeah. So where is she? She left for some street dude.

Some street dude. Have you bumped into her? Have you ever bumped into her since? Yeah, I bumped into her about two years ago. And what'd she say? She said, hey, Chad, how you doing? I couldn't even hear him. Whoa, whoa, come on, Chad.

Don't do that. Don't do that, old Joe. Listen to me, listen to me. You left me because you went to somebody that had more money at the time when I hadn't made it. You didn't want, you didn't, you didn't, I was on my journey, on my way

and I just didn't have what you was looking for at that time but you left me for something temporary. Now he doing 24 years in the pen. He doing 24 years now.

I'm going to go out of weight. If he didn't listen to me, I can't even hear you based on what I got on my hip now. I can't even see you. No. You supposed to go

out of your way to make sure she see you. Hey girl, how you doing? Why you, I ain't even see you. No. You supposed to go out of your way to make sure she see you. Hey, girl, how you doing? I ain't seen you in a while. How you doing? How you mama? You know, I'm asking. They need to know.

Listen, she know. I hit it with that Ray Charles. I can't even see you. No. You kidding me? But see, that's the thing. You got to let them know. See, that's why I used to block people.

I used to block people on social media, do all that. I stopped. You block people? You need to see me happy. You need to see me happy. You need to see me getting all this what God intended for me. What you tried to block, I didn't let you see God still open them to

the Lord and the blessings. Yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah. Listen, and for you, if you want them blessings to keep coming and you want that cup to keep running over, all you need is a little guidance.

And you know the kind of guidance you need? You know where it come from? What kind of guidance do I need? What kind of guidance? Huh? A woman's guidance. Oh, there you go. A woman, listen to me.

A woman will be your GPS. Get you wherever you need to go. From point A to point B. You know what else? If you had your woman, if you had a woman in your life, you know what else you wouldn't be doing? What? You wouldn't be flying private. Why wouldn't she?

She's going to be flying right with me. No, sir. She ain't going to let you spend that kind of money. She ain't going to let you spend that kind of money. No, she ain't, because if she let you spend that kind of money, she with you for the wrong reasons. No. No.

Ocho. My grandpa used to say, boy, be as cheap as you want to, but don't be cheap to yourself. Now, you tell me the sense that it makes. I work the hardest and spend the least amount of my money. Now, you tell me what sense that makes. Got to save that for a rainy day, baby. Got to save it for a rainy day. Save it for a rainy day. gotta save it for a rainy day save it for a rainy day

after after come on bro and many of them are gonna come I ain't promised tomorrow when did God promise you tomorrow he promised you tomorrow okay so you want me to say for a rainy day that I'm not promised

to see I like that I don not promised to see. I like that. I don't even have no comeback for you today. I only have, because right now I'm in heaven. I'm in heaven. I'm cemented. Yeah, I'm in heaven right now.

I'm feeling good. I'm just, I've been smoking my cigar, just, you know, drinking my yak. I'm just. Man. So you start... So in other words, you throw your unbridled support. I mean, you just all in on the Zach Wilson train.

Listen, I'm all in on everybody. You know, you don't follow me on social media, but for those that have followed me throughout the years, they know I always find a positive about any and everybody, especially when they're playing bad. It's just the way I've always been, even when I was playing. This ain't Little League.

I know it is. You're playing for mortgages. You're playing for college tuition. You're paying for jobs. Yes! I know, I know, I know. So what job going to let you stay on it? You not fulfilling the job that's required of you,

but they say, you know what, we're going to stay positive. We're going to remain positive. Where do they do that at? Why I got to jump on the band when everybody else is jumping on your head? Ain't no bandwagon. It ain't no bandwagon. Not a bandwagon when everybody else is jumping on your head? Ain't no bandwagon. It ain't no bandwagon. Not a bandwagon, but I'm just saying,

why do I have to do what everybody else is doing and jump on you when you're not playing well? Why can't me want to come out with a positive? So what you supposed to do? Tell me what you supposed to do. You supposed to offer a critique of what transpired during the course of the game based on your years of experience and your expertise.

So you deny your gift. God gave you a gift to play the game and to get gainful employment. Do you know how many guys that played a professional sport that would love to be in your shoes, that would love to offer a critique, that didn't get that luxury? In other words, you're denying God's gift. God gave you a gift. he gave me a gift and i he god gave me a gift and i understand the purpose of that gift the purpose of that gift was to uplift

to uplift to reach out see lend a hand see what you did you see because you figured that if you offer critique to someone you beating them down down. That's it right there. Not really, because I already told you what I'm going to work on is I'm going to have my disclaimer already ready that I always say before I give my critique. Because here's the thing. Why? Because now- You can't tell me I can't say- You can say whatever.

But here's the thing. The person at home will say Ocho is not being truthful because. I am being truthful. All I'm saying is the disclaimer is so-and-so. I see you and hold you to a certain standard, and this is what I expect. But that's not the standard I got in today's game. You don't have to do all that. Why are you doing all that? I want to because I can. Because I don't have to do all that. Why you doing all that? I want to, because I can.

Because I don't want to be taken the wrong way because I understand. Oh, you scared. Scared of what? I'm asking. What you scared of? To speak your truth. To speak your truth. Them guys done got you scared because you gonna bump

into them and they gonna say, oh, Joe, why you criticize me? I just had to beat their ass. What you talking about? I criticize Aaron Donald. If Aaron Donald walk over me, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna whoop Aaron Donald's ass. Run. Let's move. Run.

Scared of who, man? I ain't scared of nobody. Aaron, I love you, baby. I know you gonna see this. I love you. No, no, no. You ain't gonna criticize. I mean, look. But here I love you, baby. I know you're going to see this. I love you. No, you ain't going to criticize. I mean, look. But here's the thing, though. I'm not comfortable with that. You're comfortable with that. I'm not.

It's just the way I am. It's just the way I'm built. It's just the way I'm just... I can't explain it. I'm going to navigate it, and I'm just going to be mean to somebody and just say, fuck fuck no you ain't gotta be mean it's not a bit about being mean the people at home see the people at home see guys are not playing well what makes them upset is that when somebody's not playing well and people try to pretend and announcers try to

pretend like they are or try to say, well, that was his fault. No, it wasn't. I didn't say anybody was playing well. I didn't say anybody was. I just tried to navigate and find ways around it to find the positives in what they are doing.

That's all. Look, if you play a professional sport, nobody cares if you give to the homeless. That's not what we're talking about at this moment. We can get into your philanthropic work. We can get into all that other stuff. You can be a benefactor or magnanimous as you choose to be.

But when you play professional sports, our job is to critique and analyze said person in said sport. That's it. Okay, how about this? From now on, I'm going to critique and analyze. That's it. That's what you're supposed to do. I'm going to critique and analyze, and I'm

going to be on a motherfucker ass now. Okay, pause. Okay. Yeah, Paul. Whoa, whoa. Hold on. Let me, pause. Oh, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Let me hit this pause button right quick. Here we go with that one. Okay, continue on.

Pause. Yeah. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I got you. I got you. Well, Ocho, congratulations. I know this night was very, very special for you and your family and friends.

Yeah. To go into a team's ring of honor. It goes to show that that doesn't go unbeknownst. Because a lot of people said, you know what? We think his play on the field and his behavior off the field is worthy of him representing the Cincinnati Bengals for perpetuity. I like that. I likeuity. I like that. I like that.

I like that. You know what? I'm going to get one of them gold ones, too. Yeah. I'm going to get one of them gold ones, too. And if I don't get one, guess what I'm going to go through? You going to work for Century 21? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm going to go make me a gold one. I'm going to go make me one. I'm going to go make my own. I'm going to go make me a gold one. I'm going to make me one. I'm going to make my own. I'm going to make my own bust, too. I'm going to make my own bust. I know where they get them done at. It's going to be one-on-one. You hear me? It's going to be one-on-one.

What you going to get? One-on-one? Yeah, one-on-one. Make my own Hall of Fame jacket. Hey, Ocho. Hey. She back to sleep, man. Who is that?

You say you wanted a bus? You say you wanted a bus? You see the part, right? You see that part? You see that part? I like that. I like that. I'm going to get me one. I'm going to get me a bus made.

And mine is going to be 14 karat gold. 101. Oh, you're going to spend that kind of money? Oh, yeah. Because they ain't going to spend it on me. I got to do for me. Ain't that what you told me? Ain't that what you just told me?

I'm going to make my own bus. I'm going to make my own Hall of Fame jacket. Make my own jacket. Yeah. With some, um... Yeah, I'm going to put some 14 karat gold glitter on my jacket. If

you know what you know now and I can transport you back to your rookie season. Yes, sir. What type of numbers do you believe Ocho could put up? To my rookie season in today's game? You know what you know now.

Right. But I'm going to transport you back to your rookie season with the knowledge that you have now. Of the game, right. Yes. I think consistently, probably 1,400 consistently. Consistently.

You say 1,600 consistently? 1,400 consistently. 14, 14, 14. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, especially during that time and that era, dealing with that Ravens defense and dealing with that Pittsburgh defense, you know, the numbers get a little low when you play against them. But as far as everyone else, I'm just being honest.

Them boys ain't playing. Just being honest. But outside of the division, it's, oh, I'm going crazy. But, you know, those divisional games are always close, and they really minimize my production very, very well. Right. Yeah. Especially with what I know now.

I wish it was reversed. Well, congratulations, Ocho, on your night for you and your family and loved ones. I'm your favorite, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite, number 85, Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. And thank you for tuning in to Nightcap with Unc and Ocho. See you Thursday night. I love y' Unk and Ocho. See you. I love y'all.

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