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Episode Date: June 15, 2025

Recap the best NFL topics of the week as Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson reacting to Bengals rookie Shemar Stewart contract disputes, Steelers Aaron Rodgers committing to mentoring rookie Will Howard, and much more!01:41 - Intro03:00 - Bengals contract drama continues26:33 - Aaron Rodgers willing to mentor Will Howard30:47 - Myles Garrett on Aaron Rodgers joining AFC North43:30 - Terry McLaurin not attending Commanders minicamp49:00 - Reggie Wayne possible Colts interim Head Coach?(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So please grab yours while supplies last. Oh, Joe, there's saga, there's drama in Cincinnati. Joe Burrows says he wants the team to pay star pass rusher Trey Hendrickson. He says the team not paying Hendrickson is a significant distraction. Let's take a listen to what Joe had to say. Jermar and T having agreed to deals. Is Trey being here? His deal not done. Is that a distraction? Of course. Of course. Last year we had two, this year we have one. So we do have less.

You'd love to have none, but you know, that's life in the NFL. We're all supporting Trey and we'd love for him to be back. Oh Joe. Yes, sir. Well, listen, listen, I love Joe. Joe also has to understand this is business. It's a business and the Browns have one way of doing things. They've done things one way and despite what he may say, despite his concerns about wanting trade to be paid or him or it being a distraction with him not getting paid, this is the way

they conduct business. All teams conduct business in the same manner. They're not going to be swayed or forced or bullied into paying individual based on how we as players or fans see fit. They're gonna do things their way. They paid Joe Burrow. They paid Jamar Chase. They paid T. Higgins. I don't know. I don't have the numbers in front of me. I don't know how much is left in salary cap space. Not enough to pay Trey what he want. Actually, not enough to pay him what he want. But I'm assuming maybe they're trying to find

some middle ground. But from what I've heard, there are no talks going on at all. So obviously Trey is standing his ground and He's not in a position despite being the SAC leader last year and the SAC leader before that the year before that Like he was a SAC leader, but what was our defense rank? Can someone look at it? Can Ash look that up right now? I mean, it was really quick. Just kidding. Without Trey, you'd have been 17th in college. So you had Trey, so you was at the bottom at the NFL. Okay, so they look at all that.

They look at all, listen, I want him to get paid. I want him to get paid for based on what he's done, you know, to date, but they look at it completely different than the way we look at it as fans. And obviously me, listen, I love my bangles. And I love, I would love for Trey to get paid. But it's a tough spot that we're in. I'm not sure what's gonna happen.

I think at some point, if things don't get worked out, I'm assuming maybe a trade of some sort might happen at the least opportune time when we least expect it. I look at it like this, Ocho, considering he's the best defensive player. And when you look at that defensive line, who else? Most teams have two guys.

Yes, yes. You know, you have Micah and then you have another guy. Or you look at, let's just say for the sake of argument, you look at the Eagles. They have multiple guys. you look at let's just say for the sake of argument You look at the Eagles they have multiple guys you look at Kansas City. They have a Chris Jones and have kalapas, you know, they have multiple guys most teams, although they're not on the same level But they have you look at a high smith that you look at what? So no most guys have somebody to play off of right?

It's him. Yeah. He led the league in sacks with really no one else beside him. You know and brother Sam Hubbard just retired, huh? Yes. He's hurt most of the year, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, he was hurt and also when I think about it I look at the AFC North, right? From an all-courtive standpoint and needing defensive players. It's bad enough we were already bad on defense. Let's not make it worse Kansas City Buffalo Baltimore My good and I mean that my goodness like we need trading in the in the dearest dearest way possible that to try to Do what we can defensively so we can we can start a little better this season, you know

I know we were talking about the offense offense You know, they always start slow always out the gate, you know being 0 and 2 or 1 and 1 wherever you gotta stop somebody though Yeah, we got a problem. It's okay. You say what a deal I'm saying, but here's the thing They have one bad two bad possessions their defense can't stop anybody now all of a sudden you 14 points down Hey, you got a lead. Okay, let's just say for the sake. Hey. You got a lead. Okay. Let's just say for the sake of our you have a lead. And we saw this against Baltimore. They have two bad possessions. Now Baltimore has the lead.

Has the lead. Yeah. So. How far away are we from having a decent defense? Just curious. From your, listen, you know, this is, this is. Ooh. And y'all just cut Pratt. Remember y'all release Pratt

Yes, so we hold on crap with crap crap with a middle back. It was the mic linebacker. Yeah, he led your team and tackles They did so Logan Wilson plays Me they drafted somebody they drafted somebody in the second round out of South Carolina. I was reading yesterday at night They must he must gonna be really high on him. Yeah. He gonna plug and play then. Yeah. You got to remember Pratt was like, Hey, he wanted to contract extension. He wanted to be, you know, want to bump and pay.

They're like, nah, bro, we can't bump you and pay. I was reading now that I don't know, you know, maybe somebody just throwing out numbers. I think trade supposed to make what 15, 16, 17 million. They're trying to get him to 28. I don't think he's looking at listening to anything that doesn't start with a three. Now I'm not, now I honestly, because you see,

you see, he's like, hold on. One guy making 55, another guy making 40, another guy making 30, and then y'all want me to come in at 28. And he see Miles Garrett, he knows Michael is about to get something that starts with a four. And y'all want me to start With a two. Yeah

Just don't see that not let's be fair if he wants to get what he wants He's not gonna be able to get it because everything you just ran off we just yeah 140 130 and one making 55 then there's no room for you to make do you take do you take a discount? Do you take a discount? and no the question is better question does he miss the first eight games and then come back the last eight games to make sure he gets accredited season or just cuz that's what I would do because if you don't come back they still have your rights mmm so I would you know it depends on how serious he is about his money oh he's serious okay he's serious and this this is the thing that you can do when they know you love the game,

monk, when they know you love the game and they know you can't stay away from the game, they always want you to be team first team that team is in team oriented and be the, but when it comes time to play, this is what, this is what happens. Yeah. Now you talk about the Bengals in general. I'm talking about in general, they will use your love for the game against you because the business side of things will sneak up on you and bite your nass every time.

I'm trying to think of a guy that Sean Gilbert might be the only guy that I can remember that missed the whole season and then he ended up turning around and getting paid. I think he went to Carolina. I think he's with Washington and he ended up going to Carolina. It might be vice versa, but that's what I,

I mean, I think the thing is to say what I would do is easy to say what, because you're not in that situation. Me, I ain't missing no time. I understood that that was time I wasn't gonna be able to get back. And like you said, Ocho, I think the thing is they know the guys that really Everybody don't love the game like we do now. Yeah

So they are they go hard time us. Well, this is all we got knowing damn well We might miss a game, but we miss it don't have for those seasons no entire season. Let's talk. We love it too much Listen, the funny thing about it is I love the game, but I think during my time I was in fortunate situations I think what they came to me early twice. Right. Came to me early where I didn't have to deal with that type of situation. Mm-hmm. Because to me it's almost it's almost a slap in the face a little bit. You think about it. Yeah. Almost a slap in the face and we take it personally as players and I know they do when situations like this arise when you understand what your value is you understand what the market We take it personally as players and I know they do when situation like this arrives

When you understand what your value is you understand what the market is and then you have a team that's hesitant and giving you Said market value Almost make it hard. Listen one thing about it. I don't care how many how many players you got got paid There's always a way to make it happen depending on who the players you do understand it, right? Yes There's always a way to make it happen depending on who the players you do understand that right? Yes, but I don't get from the Bengals Oh Joe if you had this problem last year and you didn't resolve it and during the season or after the season What makes you thought the fake the problem is going to go away? It's like if you have a disease and don't talk about it

Because you don't talk about you better go get it you better treat it talk about it. Well, it's because you don't talk about it. You better go get it. You better treat it. Yeah. Because talking about it, but because not talking about a problem, like it's like two people argue though, Joe, and you go to bed. That issue is not going to be resolved in the morning because you didn't talk about it that night. As a matter of fact, you're going to give people an opportunity to build up. They like this mofo playing with me. They couldn't address me. They know up So you lay it over there steaming she laid over there steaming You know you get out of bed in the mornings you step it on lips cuz I live poked out to the floor He has little poke back to the floor. So I don't understand how the Bengals thought this situation And he had another 17 and a half sex season and he led the NFL in sacks and somehow you

thought he would go by the well we got a good chance to go you had a good chance to go to the Super Bowl last year or the playoffs last year and it didn't happen guys are not you know teams always want you to think oh thank big picture no the big picture is me and my family and That's the big picture I'm thinking about. I don't know what you're thinking. Because, Ocho, what they tell you, Ocho, when they release players, you hear, and I think we're going to talk about this a little later, Jahir, including Kip, saying what he's saying. They're always thinking about what is in the best interest of the team.

Okay, what is the best interest of the business? Okay, players are businesses. the best interest of the team. Okay. What is the best interest of the business? Okay. Players are businesses. Yes. What is in the best interest of Trey Hendrickson? Not playing is in the best interest of Trey Hendrickson. Be at all honest. Now I'm not telling the guy what he should or what he shouldn't do.

Yeah. But this is what we do know. He take his ass out there on that field and he get anything that happens. Lord forbid it does not. Yes, sir. He ain't getting no payday. You know that I know that. Yes, sir. He ain't getting no payday. You know that I know that. Yes, sir.

Yeah. Obviously. Listen, I think it's tough. We're in a tough spot. The Bengals organization is in a tough spot. Trey Henderson is in a tough spot. Joe Burrow saying that it's a distraction to those that in the organization, those that are better on the team, those that are at mini camp right now.

I think for the fans, it's a distraction and it's just like like overwhelming and they're like, God damn, here we go again. But again, as fans, as players, you have to be able to separate the personal side of being a football player in the business side. I think if you can compartmentalize and be able to separate the two and understand that it is business first, it's not personal, it's nothing against you as a player, but this is the way they conduct in their lives and be able to separate the two and understand that it is business first. It's not personal. It's nothing against you as a player, but this is the way they conduct themselves, not just with the Bengals, but with every team in general. I think you'll be all right.

I want Trey to get his money though. Even if it's not with us, I would love to see him back with the Bengals, but I would also love to see him get what he deserves somewhere else. Because I think the thing is, Ocho, what happens is that Joe would like to talk about what a great day of practice they had. Yes, sir. But the media is asking him about trade's contract. They're asking him about the rookies contract, who we're going to

talk about in just a second. So he's like, bro, I'm trying to say, Hey, T and I had a great common, had a great work today. We got some great work to done today. We got better today. But you're asking me about a player that's not here. I don't know what you want me to say. Joe is being the leader that he is.

Yeah, we love to have Trey. And I think he's done enough to, he's earned, not deserve, he's earned a raise in pay. Because guess what? Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, instead of having 17 and a half sacks. He had five and a half sacks Do you think they would keep him on the contract that he has now? Absolutely not. I answered for you. No, they wouldn't So now he outperforms the contract you don't want to reward him. But if he underperform you'll punish him. Yes

Yes, that's that's And that's the way it is. And hopefully fans like see that. And I understand, look, I understand you weren't running a business, but guys normally play better. Guys after being in, you know, a business, your work is performed better when they're compensated. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, and you're happy. Yes. Which is one of the reasons why do you think they always go ahead and pay the quarterback? Yes, they always pay the quarterback you get your quarterback out the way so he had nothing to worry about He's in the right state of mind and you can focus on your job at hand. No distractions And again not being able to get your money after putting in all the work, you know, the sacrifice, the sweat, the injuries.

I just think- He led the entire league in sacks. He did that. He had 17 and a half. He was in the running for defensive player of the year. And he's probably thinking to himself, what the hell do I have to do to get rewarded for my hard work? Yeah. That's crazy.

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Yeah. What happens is his turn. His turn. Bingo's rookie, Shemar Stewart is still waiting to take his first practice rep in the NFL. He also has some words for the Bengals today in comparing his situation with Tray's. Let's take a listen to what he had to say. Like some people say we all agree Tray will be right right but technically still 1% wrong for being on the contract so and in my case I'm 100% right so it should be a no-brainer and in Tray's case, I think it should be a no brainer too.

I mean, he let 17 and a half sacks for two years back to back. If I was the GM or I was the owner, take all my money. But I guess they don't operate like that, but. No, they do not. Hey, listen, hey, it's easy to say take all my money when you not the GM. It's somebody else's money. Oh yeah. Hey, listen, hey, it's easy to say, take out my money when you not the GM. It's somebody else's money.

Oh, yeah. Hey, man, get out your money. Don't bother mine. It's easy to say that, but listen, you learn quick. You learn quick and you learn fast. The rookie will understand that this is a business and it's running a little different. It's running a little different.

Now he's had 17 and a half sacks back to back seasons, right? And then they're hesitant on paying them. So in situations like this, this will tell you how they really feel about you. Because depending on who the player is, depending on who the player is and how much they value you and what you bring to the table, oh man, they're not even playing when it's time to get paid.

I don't care who y'all, I don't care who y'all. Let's take, this is what Mike Florio, a pro football focus, right? This football talk, PFT, he said, the Bengals have decided to wedge a new clause into Stewart's deal. The clause would turn a default in any given year into a void of all remaining guarantees. And prior, Bingo's contract avoid wiped out only the guarantees for the year in which the default occurred. Stewart refuses to be the beginning pig for the new term and the Bingo's refuse to blink.

As a result, Stewart will be less prepared for training camp than he would have been. So in other words, a lot of times they put a clause in there, Ocho. It says if you do something wrong, the money you were supposed to get in that year is wiped away. Now they put the new clause in there and say if you do something wrong, any guarantee that you're supposed to get in 25, 26, 27, 28, that's going to, oh no, hell no. I understand. To me, honestly, I don't like the verbiage, but again, I would have it on a year-to-year basis.

If this year, if you mess up, you know, and there was conduct, you're too much to the team. Yes. And it's that serious, where we need to recoup some of that money back, that's guaranteed, I see fit to do so. Yes. That's enough. You see fit to do so. Yes. That's the one time. You're boring all the remaining people. Oh, absolutely not. Hell no.

Not over, what? Man, don't make me curse. Don't make me curse, because I just got saved the other day. Don't do that. Oh no, don't do that. Don't do that. Listen, I know they're trying to set a precedent.

I'm not sure what precedent. Not with me, you know, listen outside of don't get into any trouble period. I don't know if he has a past and he has a past history of doing things wrong. I don't know for them to actually want to put that clause in his contract. All of a sudden out the blue set a precedent with this individual. I'm not sure what his past looks like. That's the only thing I can think of and why they would want to do something like that. And no, but it seems to be like this is something that they're trying to do moving forward.

To everybody? Yes. Only on the ground. It stands because the clause would turn the default in any given year into a void of all remaining guarantees. And prior, Bingo's contracts, a void wiped out only guarantees for which the year the default occurred.

So if he did something in 25, okay, we wipe out the guarantees in 25. 26, 27, 28 is protected. Now they're saying if you default in 25, 26, 27, 28, get wiped away. Oh hell no, Hojo. That's the whole purpose of guarantee. To be able to get the guarantee.

Yes, yeah. I have a question. Are there any other teams that practice the same clause in their contracts? Or we would know that, huh? Well, there's some, some... You have a contract. Let's just say for the sake of argument. You in the NFL, you a wire receiver. Or it's like coaches, like a college, like an NFL coach. Say I got three years left on my deal at $12 million a year.

Yes, sir. I Get a new job Whatever. So now it offsets. So when they have its offset language So if I get a job from another team, however much that team plays that I have to pay to remain in So if I get a deal for nine million over there I only have to pay three million over here where I left, got left at. You know what I'm saying? Right. Some people right here, there is no offset language.

Jimbo Fisher. Jimbo Fisher got released. He gets all 80 of that remaining money. It was 82 to be exact. Okay. I remember that. So sometimes they try to put offset language where you can't double dip. Players can't double dip.

So if you get released and you go side with another team, I ain't got nothing to do with you. I want the money that you owe me and I'm gonna get the money they're gonna give me. Don't you worry about what I got. You just go make sure to, hey, just go ahead and make sure you keep the checks coming. I won't be, hey, you got the wire number, go ahead and put it you keep the checks coming. That will be, hey, you got the wide number, go and put it in there, direct deposit. So that's, and some teams do,

some teams will have offset language if you get another job, even in TV. You get released by one network, you go somewhere else, they just pay the difference. So you got, whatever the case may be. So if you get, if you get say five million over here, you only get two and a half over there You'll get two and a half Hey this a oh, hey man. This is as much as people love the beautiful game

They they I don't think they understand the nasty business side of it No, they don't nasty been the side of it of it, it can get ugly. It can get very ugly. And the fact there's a reason why when it comes to contracts and negotiations or a situation like this, there's a reason why the agents go in there and not the players because the players go in those rooms and you hear how owners really feel about you and what they really want to do and the language they want to put in the fine print language that they want to put in contracts to protect themselves

From having to pay you long term if you mess up they all listen it was it was some stuff I don't want to bring up the past but there was some stuff in in T's Contract and in Chase's contract that was that wasn't suitable. It was oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, you know it wasn't right So if they were if they if they were doing it to T and chase, you know Who the meat potatoes that offense outside of Joe I know they gonna do it to trade and they definitely gonna do it to the rookie Oh, yeah for sure. Oh, but it's this business man. It's business. It's never personal I'm like hey, you know, I'm gonna do a I'm gonna call Joe burrow agent. Hey, bro. Y'all got this language in your contract They do it all the time. Yeah

They do it all the time. No, bro, you're not fitting I'm not fitting to be no guinea pig You're not gonna sit no precedent with me and then everybody that comes after me They looking at me crazy because I allowed it to happen because I was the highest draft pick the year that they started this foolishness And I I agree to it out of the happen because I have the highest draft pick the year that they started this foolishness and I agree to it No, how can this go though? What if he refuses to play? What if he refused to sign the contract unless they remove that language? What happens? That's it They either have to remove the language or he has to say I'm not playing

Well That can get ugly on mm-hmm. Ihmm. I hope he got some good NIL money. He hadn't spent too much. He hadn't promised his mom or dad or whomever house yet. Right. Damn. I don't like that for him. I don't either.

Aaron Rodgers was the latest veteran quarterback to weigh in on mentoring the next generation. In his case, he would ask about mentoring Will Howard. He responded, Will's a good kid. We got to talk a little bit. I thought he did a really, I thought he did really well today. He seems pretty bright going through the progressions really well. I'm going to be with him every single day, every single meeting, found my seat next to him today in the offensive meeting, whether or not it sticks right next to Will Howard. So I'm going to help him out as much as I can.

Okay. Ocho, you know what, Ocho, you know what I don't lie to you Ocho. Let me tell you the true story. Ocho, I got middle in college with math. Ain't none of that is stick. I told you once we got past timetables, me and math really didn't get along Ocho Ocho if I could do this like this here. Yeah, all right down a little scratch paper. Yes, I'm sick one Man, man, what did hey you start getting the fractions and pies? Yeah Man, it's a day. It's only one pie I know, that's apple pie. That's it.

But if he can't pie. And then start talking about, if a train left at 4.30 in the morning and train B left at six o'clock in the afternoon, at what point would he have? Watch out. Watch out. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

If Johnny had five apples, he gave Amy three. Yeah but Adam bought back six man. Yeah, I'm like, bro My face two trains one leaves at 430 am the other leaves at 6 p.m And what's happening if I don't how fast are they going? I don't know what? But I see oh Joe, I don't know what it just could do what it could do 12 times 12 why they could do 60 49 from 60 is how but they start doing all the other stuff and they go with me. So He a man me a man we were not good. And, uh,

no, no, Math ain't my favorite thing. Oh, sure. Hey. Yeah. Hey, that was funny, boy. Yeah, but see, when it comes to percentage, Okay, you got this much and you will get a percentage of bro How much is that? How much you won't? How much you won't man? Target hey, let's do a round number cuz we start getting $776 and I'm getting you getting three and a half percent of that. Come on, bro Come on, bro. Hey, I got $35 for you, okay?

$35 to do it? Bro, you asking an awful lot, man. I ain't got time to be doing all that. You know, you do this and you add.24 or.4. Nah, man, I ain't got all that. I ain't got time for that. So no. So I get what Erin is saying, mentoring. Cause everybody processes information differently, Ocho.

Yeah. Me, I was a visual learner. I need you to see you put it on the board. Don't, hey, Shannon, I want you to go do this and do that. Like, no, no, no, no. Draw the issue on the board. And once I saw that's okay, I'm good now. I'm good. I'm a visual learner's okay, I'm good now. I'm good

I'm a visual learner. Don't explain nothing to me. Show me But at the end of the day, oh hey, but I was funny boy At the end of the day the beginning of the day or the middle of the day Oh Joe How well does somebody process information? Yeah. How well do they retain information? And then can you spit it out? That's it. Can you spit it out? Right.

Cause sometimes some people can read something and have no earthly idea what the hell they read. Some people can skim over it and give you a great synopsis of what it's actually saying. Yeah, everybody processes information differently. They do. Yes. Miles Garrett had a simple response today about Aaron Rodgers joining the AFC North.

I think it's a good opportunity to put him in the graveyard. Damn. Hehehehehe. That's the type of answer you expect from a defense end. Oh yeah, for sure. That's the type of answer you expect from one of if not the best defense end in NFL. Listen, he got a deal with Aaron Rodgers twice a year and he let them know ahead of time. You already know what time it is. I'm not here to say nice about you.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Actually, I'm trying to add you to the resume, you know. I don't know if I've got an opportunity to sack Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or somebody, but hey, you're the next best thing. I'll take it. I might not have an opportunity to get them, but I can get your ass. Yeah, most definitely But they had this shit. They asked the wrong. They asked the wrong one Packer CEO and president mark Murphy

Had some shade for John Alexander when asked about the recent release. He's been a great player for us. Obviously elite talent Unfortunately, just injured a lot Unfortunately, that's a big part of the game. We see we've been used to playing without him Alexander played 14 games over the last two seasons. Yeah. I am. Hey Play 14 games listen injuries is something you can't avoid But one thing I know about that young bull when he's healthy when he when he's on the field, and he's playing man to man in your face, he gonna give you everything he got. And he one of the best at it. He one of the best at it,

but he doesn't get the credit he deserves because he's been injured. I can only speak on what I've seen when I see him on the field. He gonna talk that trash to you too and back it up the best he can. Him and Justin Jeffords matchups, those matchups were classic. He wants them and he lost some, but either way I'm tuning in every time and tune in to line them together. He gonna go somewhere.

I don't know where he's gonna go. Wherever he goes, they understand, they need to understand what they're getting when he is healthy and do whatever they need to do to get him on that field and keep him on there. That's the toughest part about it Ocho because being available is a big part of how good you are. You know boy, he's a good worker when I can get him to come to work. That ain't what the damn deal. Right, right. And I look he's injured. I think he said he had a meniscus or something. He had a shoulder injury, uh, When you play a skill position, it's hard to go out there and play with something's wrong with you

Yeah Because you got a lower extremity because that's how Where am I going? No, joe if I can't all of a sudden I can't be sudden All of a sudden i'm a db and I can't raise my arm How do I knock down a pass? How do I intercept the pair? Well, if I got an injury, I might something with my knee my hips or something ankle And it's a guess what only thing people in the stands see and people at home see Man, you're getting my touchdown baby. Tell you sorry. He don't feel off bad cuz he used to be good He don't feel off bad. That's what they see. Yeah, they don't feel off bad because he used to be good. He don't feel off bad That's what they see. Yeah, they don't see

Monday to you know getting treatment and all that stuff. You're not able to practice you potentially have to shoot up You have to take medication They don't see any of that all they see is Alexander on the back of that pack of Jersey And whether or not he's making plays or not is really that simple. Yeah. Did you or didn't you? Damn. That's unfortunate, man.

And I guess they were trying to like come to a number that was amenable to both parties, excuse me, and they could just never get there. Maybe he thought it was too low. They thought it was too high. And at the end of the day, we've seen teens, ain't amount of money they won't eat. Because we've seen them eat Aaron Rodgers contract, Green Bay. We've seen the Broncos eat Russell Wilson's contract. So there is not a denomination, 40, 50, 60 million dollars, they don't care. There's a good chance the Falcons probably have to eat

Cousins, some of Cousins' contract. So you don't think, obviously he's not There's a good chance the the Falcons the much problem probably have to eat cousin summer cousins contract So you don't you don't think I obviously he's not gonna move, huh? No, because they were I'm sure they're gonna want whoever who have taken the pay up some stanchion chunk of that That our contract and they're like now we just wait for you to release him and we can get up a minimum. Okay. Yeah Damn, I mean the paid $50 million for a backup? Mm-hmm. Ooh! Hey, that's good money there, boy. Can you imagine? Yeah.

Backup? Making $50 million? I just, I remember when this deal came down, and you and I was talking about it, said, oh, chill. Yeah, we sure was, yeah. I said, oh, chill. I thought, listen, sure thought it was going to get at least two years in. I didn't know he would, I didn't know. I didn't know it would be that soon. I said at best case scenario, he gives two. I said, but Oh Joe, what if he only gives one and you got all that guaranteed money?

You're in a Russell Wilson situation. Yeah. Yeah. And that's exactly what happened. Now Russell Wilson situation. Yeah Yeah, and that's and that's exactly what happened after now Russell situation was a little you know They wanted some some protections or get the guaranteed money blah blah blah Russell's like nah I'm not waving that I get it because of man And I think they still got another 10 million that shit. Oh Cuz he got a hundred and ten I think he got he got a hundred sign a four-year hundred eighty million dollar deal but a hundred and ten of it was guaranteed fifty sign a bonus and then six over the next two

years hey one thing about brother cousins man listen hey he God has been good to him great and his timing his timing has been impeccable every time when you bet on yourself. One thing about it, when you bet on yourself, he's come out on top every single time. So how much you got 84, you got 84 to sign? 184 million, not no 84 million, that's $21 million a year. Huh?

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Woo! Hey, could you imagine, could you, hey, chat, could you imagine just close your eyes real quick and just imagine you go to sleep at the night and you wake up in the morning is and it's 50 million in your bank account But uncle Sam them took half of it. Oh Joe. He got he got 90 told fully if you think about it Oh Joe, he's never had a contract since he became the star in Washington That wasn't guaranteed because remember he played on he played on the franchise tag one year He played on the franchise tag the second year

Minnesota fully guaranteed the deal and then he came back He got another fully guaranteed deal and now what to call him just gave him a hundred million fully guaranteed Hey, so he got 50 this year he got 50 last year he got 40 this year. That's 90. He got another 10 next year Okay, listen, that's our child man God don't play by this children. You don't but when we come to Jair for the Mark Murphy, yes, just say what he said you think that's fair or foul

You know what? What did you tell me? What did I tell you? I want owners to... You say you want the truth. More owners need to start speaking like this. Tell us how you really feel. They don't really have an owner, they have a CEO. They're the only team that doesn't have ownership. Right. Yeah. I mean, listen, tell us how you really feel. Right now, the Bengals are in a situation right now. right now I mean obviously I know there's no one over there that that would do that But tell us why you really don't want to pay him You know it would be it would be it would be a breath of fresh air if we can get owner to speak out Why don't really don't want to do things?

Similar with Mike Murphy what mark Murphy did mm-hmm You know what we like him. We just don't feel we want to invest that much money into him. We don't think he's worth that. Okay, you got 17 and a half sacks, two years in a row, but we don't think he can do it for another year. Just come out and say it. We don't see him as a Michael Parsons, or we don't see him as a Miles Garrett type. He's a tier two diva's end. Come out and say it because if it was anybody else, hell if it was Miles Garrett, oh you gonna get your money. Well it's kind of like, I think, who was it? Branch Ricky got one of the big contracts. He said, what you hit

last year son? He said I hit 350, 17 homers and 85 RBI's. He said, what'd you hit last year, son? He said, I hit 350, 17 homers and 85 RBIs. He said, what place did we finish in the division? He said, we finished last. He said, we could finish there without you. So I guarantee you Cincinnati's having this conversation. Where do we finish with the defense? When you got those 17 half sacks, you were in defensive player of the year running. Where do we finish? Where do we finish defensively?

Okay, we could finish there without you. Yeah, and that's then that's They're having those conversations You and I think you know Joe it should be a no-brainer the guy got 17 half sacks. He did it one year He didn't do it. Just one year. He did it two years. Yeah, so you like okay fine cool But a lot of times what the mistakes and sometimes, you know, he's better to wait If you get tea you save yourself probably 30 million dollars, right? If you signed him last year if you go ahead and give see not if you gave Trade 28 million last year you If you go ahead and give, see now if you gave Trey 28

million last year, he jumped on that with both feet. Now he sees where the market is going, the market is not in the high 20s, low 30s, the market is in the 40s. Yeah. You see what you just said, the way you just explained it about the timing of signing the pay the players And that's a difference in brother Harry Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie. The timing and when they decide to play players has always been impeccable. They always get them before it's too high.

That's the Patriots' motto. Yeah, they get them at the right time where it makes sense and it's almost to a point where it's team friendly in a sense, because you can continue to build around them Yep, and I Man, I wish yeah, man More teams did that huh? Yeah, I don't give myself a shit

We previously spoke about the reports that Terry McLaurin is Frustrated with the lack of progress on a long-term deal Well new reports say that Scary Terry is not attending Commander's mini camp. All these camps now, Ocho, are mandatory. They are no more voluntary. They're all mandatory. Ocho, how would the situation end?

He gon' get his money. He gon' get his money. You know how you... You sit. Can I tell you how he gon' get his money? I'ma tell you that. Yeah. I'ma tell you how he gon' get his money. How how you gonna get it I'm gonna tell you yeah I'm gonna tell you how you gonna get his money how you gonna get it shoot Jayden day and who go up there hello who is it in Jayden I need my

number one quarterback I need my captain I'm not sure what you need to do on your hand but I know what I need on my end I need scary Terry to get that money so I had that that safety net so I had the individual to throw to the same one. Pull up the film from last year. I don't understand what the problem is. I don't know what we mulling around for. Get him his money. I still got two years before I'm up so we gonna be alright. No I'm going but yeah this year and next year after next year I'm gonna so we're gonna be alright. No I'm going but yeah this year next year after next year I'm gonna come see you too and uh if I got him that increases my value too. Thank you. Because I know I'm gonna put up big numbers and uh I see what is going so I'm about I'm trying to get 62. Damn!

Oh I'm trying to get hold on I try to get Josh. I'm trying to get Josh Allen number 62 Josh Allen would have signed two years I'm two years after Josh Allen. I'm trying to keep the market going. Okay. Okay How much Josh Allen how much Josh Allen got fully guaranteed? I'll tell you what you ain't got to give me you ain't got to give me for 300 make it all guaranteed 300 Josh Allen got 330 how much is fully guaranteed 250? He got a quarter billy He got 250 fully guaranteed, okay boom, that's me so Six years 330. I don't really care nothing about that. Tell me how much,

if it floods, if it's snow, if it's a tornado, a rainstorm, I don't care. Tell me what I'm going to be, what I'm going to get. So guess what? By that time, Ocho, 275. That could be going to rain 275 that could be the wrong way to set it fire hey so CJ straddle gonna be in that in that ballpark to the end he just straddled up the after this she's yeah absolutely yes and you better hold Patrick home don't do it say you know what I'm tired all these jokes making more to me give me my true value he wouldn't do that yeah you know I'm saying He's made it abundantly clear. He's like, he's doing great with money. They've done great by him. He's like, look, I'm just

trying to keep this team together as long as I possibly can. Keep his money good players around me, a la Tom Brady, as I possibly can. Hey, and plus the money that I make off the field can sustain my lifestyle. And it makes up for what he's not going to make in contracts as opposed to other quarterbacks that's taking a huge lump sum. Yeah. I think the thing is, Ojo, when you look at it, my homeboy, he's going to be like Brady. Brady is not the highest paid, was not the highest paid quarterback. Even though he played the most years, he didn't make the most money Aaron Rodgers at 408 million

I think and then uh Matthew staffers at 391 Tom Brady way way on down I mean Tom Brady listen don't feel sorry for me made really good money, but Tom it it became painfully. It came obvious to everybody the most important thing was rings. It wasn't money. Because Tom realized as a quarterback, he was gonna be able to make money. Now he's making $37 million a year for 10 years. So he good.

So he said, now, now look, I'll give y'all something to chase, cause y'all can pass me monetarily. I wanna see the dude that's gonna catch me with these rings. Who gonna get eight? Who going to get seven? Who going to get six while we talking about it? I'm already there.

I'm in the clubhouse. He said, look, I've already shot under par. I'm in the clubhouse, come catch me. Damn. So. God damn. Terrence like, look bro, I done been to the Pro Bowls, I done done done thousand yard seasons. I don't really know what else y'all want me to do.

I don't know. I don't know what else I need to do to show you that I'm worth whatever I say I am. And his situation is different. He's gonna get his money. It's just about being patient and the timing of when it gets done. Miss Mini Camp, just make sure you're working out.

Before the season starts, maybe before training camp. You don't wanna miss another training camp. You don't know. No, you don't do that. Don't do that. And I'm sure that the organization understands you're going in a different direction. You're going in a different direction.

You had a phenomenal season last year. You got things off to a great start. Don't F it up. Don't F it up. Don't piss off the fans. You had a great season in the NFC Championship last year. Let's keep that momentum and consistency of greatness going forward and changing that culture.

consistency of greatness going forward and changing that culture Wow reports are saying coach wide receiver wide receiver coach Reggie Wayne Reggie Wayne That is Reggie Wayne is viewed as a possible interim head coach if Shane Stikin struggles to start the season Oh Joe I Like it you don't like it? Now, here's the thing, you know, they're under, you know, Jim Ursay, rest his soul. Mr. Ursay passed away a month ago. His three daughters took over.

I think his oldest oldest daughter, although they all have roles, she is the majority. She makes the decision because even if it's a family thing, the NFL wants there to be one voice, they want one person to be able to talk. And so she is the oldest. And I guess he put it in a situation where, okay, you have a this and it's going to go accordingly. But that'd be very, very interesting because there's one thing like, damn, all of a sudden we're thrust into this and we're running a billion dollar corporation a multi-billion dollar corporation it's something entirely different when you got a head coach

situation in your first year that's not something that you know you've been on the job for five six years old so you you want to kind of understand it but your first year you got to make that decision mm-hmm I mean listen they've been around the listen, they've been around the game, though. They've been around the game long enough. Yeah, for sure. There are going to be certain decisions that are going to be made that can be, you know, somewhat altering business decisions and business decisions.

And that is one of them. Listen, I'm not sure who made the call or who made the decision when Jeff Saturday got the opportunity. Jim Ersée. Jim mercy. Yeah. Mercy. So I, again, he loves his players. He's really close to the players.

I mean, yeah. So, I mean, I think that I think it would be a great, great opportunity for, for Reggie. He knows the organization. He knows the fan base. He understands the culture and, and, and what, what, not only the fans, but what that organization needs to get any back to their winning ways Yeah, but here is the thing. Oh Joe you have to understand Jim. Erce had a personal relationship with Jeff Saturday

Yes, sir. They're just even though they're around they don't have the same type of relationships They haven't developed that and it's different male, female. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? So going out, you know, Mr. Earthsay going out and drinking with Saturday and some of the guys is one thing, that's not what they're gonna do. They're not gonna have that same dynamic as their father had.

And so that's what, you know, I don't wish, I don't want Shane Stikin, I don't want him to man to lose his job, but I mean, this is a situation they're just saying, they're just throwing stuff up, like what if he struggles? Yeah, Shane is gonna be okay. Yeah. Shane is gonna be okay.

Him losing his job is all predicated on how the quarterback play is. Yes. This is the quarterback play is, that's all it comes down to. That's exactly what I want to call the elephant in the room but that's the goddamn elephant in the room. How well is a quarterback play gonna play because if the quarterback play is bad he's gonna get you fired. That's what happens and sometimes they play just good enough to get themselves

get the coach fired and them cut self-cut. That's what Richard, Richard used to tell us, Richard Smith, he was our special teams coach. He said, son, you played just well enough to get me cut and you fired. So, that's gonna be a tough, I mean, I think Houston's gonna be, you know, Houston's gonna rebound, even though they wanted the division last year, I think they'll be a little bit better. Um, um, we're going to be very interested to see how Jacksonville does this year. They got a new head coach. They got Travis Hunter.

We'll see, uh, uh, Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, he got to come back. He got Ryan Thomas, Jr. Travis. Yeah. I'm excited. Hey, that's Jacksonville, man. But that stadium gonna be rocking, boy. That stadium gonna be rocking. The volume.

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