Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Seahawks-Eagles, Micah on Cowboys haters, the Anthony Edwards situation

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Seattle Seahawks upsetting Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles, Micah Parsons calls out Cowboys haters, Damontae Kazee suspended for rest of 2023 NFL season after illegal hit on Michael Pittman Jr., and much more! 00:00 - Introduction02:50 - Seahawks beat Eagles29:30 - Micah Parsons calls out Cowboys haters42:00 - Cowboys Super Bowl drought01:05:00 - Tommy DeVito upped his appearance fee01:10:15 - Anthony Edwards situation1:29:30 - Unc & Ocho's Family Feud teams1:45:00 - Much More Nightcap! #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They trailed all game, but with two fill-in starters, they came in when they needed to. Two interceptions by Julian Love, a 92-yard game-winning drive by backup Julock, capped off by JSN, Jackson, Smith, and Jigba. And Nigba.

Jigba. Yeah, and Jigba. His second game with a touchdown score of the season. Jalen Hurst was 17-31, 143, no touchdowns during the session. Osher, let me start this off. Yes, sir. In a situation like this, you know the number one thing we say, nothing cheap, nothing deep. nothing cheap, nothing deep.

Nothing cheap, nothing deep. Brad Baird, you got one responsibility. God dang it, you had just got beat up the rail by DK. So you didn't learn your lesson on that one. I'm going to press again. I'm going to do it again. I'm going to show you. And now

you give up a game winning touchdown. The only way you lose that game, Ocho, a touchdown. A field goal does them no good. Why are you up there trying to press? I think, okay, before you finish, I'm going to let you finish. Go ahead. In Bradbury's case, I think Bradbury is a little bit more comfortable in situational football like that.

Or maybe just in general, being up and pressing and being able to get hands on, being able to get hands on a receiver and trying to find leverage that way. Okay. That, it just so happened in this instance, it didn't work out in his favor, but go ahead and finish your point. Ocho, do you realize that you have a lead? The only way you lose that game, if you get them up a touchdown,

you got a touchdown. You're right. You can't say, because I'm more comfortable. What is in the best interest of the team? At that point in time, you throw what is most comfortable for you out of the window. Second of all,

why are you playing single high? I'm glad. Right. I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that because obviously the defensive coordinator made a certain call. The defensive coordinator made a call based on based on the situation and what he felt the players he had out there were most comfortable in. And that would be single high and Bradbury. Excuse me. Let me slow down because I'm talking too damn fast.

And Bradbury playing bump and run, which is why they went single high, because he trusted them. Because if he felt there was a weakness, if he felt there was a weakness in that certain coverage, then he wouldn't have a minute. You got beat at the most unopportune time. Yes. Yeah, man. And the thing is, is that slaves on the other side, they're picking on you.

What does that tell you? If a team was willing to go at supposedly your best corner, now your other corner your all other uh pro bowl all pro corner he's out and they say you know what we don't care we don't want the guy on the other side that's filling in we don't want the backup right what does that say about you Ocho let that sink in I want people at home that's hearing me I'm gonna do like you Ocho I'm gonna slow down yeah they didn't pick on the guy that replaced Darius Slate. Yes, sir.

They went and picked on the guy that supposedly is their best corner. You have one job, nothing cheap, nothing deep. Nothing deep. Yes, sir. You gave up DK up the rail. Okay, you gave that up. You said, well, damn, maybe I should back off on this situation. That was a good catch now.

That was a hell of a catch. That was a hell of a catch. That was a hell of a catch. That was a hell of a catch. Yeah. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. So in other words, nothing should be behind you, right? Yeah. Yeah, especially in that situation.

Thank you. Ocho, this is not the first quarter. There's less than a minute in the ball game. The only way you lose this game is if you give up a touchdown. Right. It does them no good to try and get in field goal range. They need seven in order to beat you.

And you give that up. So do you put the onus of this loss on the defensive coordinator? Or is it strictly Brad Bear? Because obviously there's a play call that comes in. The linebacker sets the call, makes the call for the defense, and they just line up and execute what is called from the

defensive coordinator sitting up in the sky. So who you put it on? You remember I've been telling y'all, I said, Elcho, that secondary can be had. How long have I been telling you that secondary can be had? How many times have I told you I watched Sam Howe throw for 394 and four touchdowns? I watched

Dak Prescott light their ass up. I watched Brock Purdy light their ass up. Everybody has lit him up. told you i watched sam howell throw for 394 and four touchdowns i watched why that prescott like the ass up i watched brock purdy like the ass up everybody has lit him up so what is it what doesn't the defensive court what does the defensive coordinator know that i don't right he's right there he's taking it up on tape they're terrible on the back end yeah and now you're one of your best guys he's out and you still want to with even when you're one of your best guys. He's out. And you still want to even when you're at full strength, your secondary is getting toasted. And so you mean to tell me

with a couple of guys out, you're willing to play that same coverage? Look, I don't know, Dre, but when I watch Bradbury, I've never been impressed with his coverage skills. I don't look at him as a I don't look at him as a Ram, Jalen Ramsey. I don't look at him as a I don't look at him as a Ram, Jalen Ramsey. I don't look at him as

I don't look at him as those guys. I think he opens the gate too much. I don't think he's nearly physical enough. He's up in press coverage, but he ain't putting hands on people. I mean, in this situation, you cannot give that up. Right. Right. But I mean,

and another thing, I don't want to make no excuses for him. I don't want to make no excuses for him. Because we saw what happened. Again,

playing defense, playing corner, which I think, and I've said it multiple times, I think playing defensive back is the most difficult

position on the field outside of playing the quarterback position. And in an unfortunate opportune time, you give up a TD when it mattered most to get a goddamn stop. Yes. With a minute left to go on the goddamn clock. If anything, listen, if anything, if I was Bradbury

and I was a little uncomfortable and it was a little unsettling for me to be in bump and run in that setting, you know what? I would have walked my ass right on off and played at seven, read my keys, read the three-step,

and then get my ass back on the receiver. And then if he's going deep, then you're already in position to make a play on the ball. Right, right. But then you got to worry about getting chewed out for not following instructions

of the goddamn defensive coordinator and the defensive play that he, the defensive play that he did call. And then they put the other guy on him. They said, nah, DK, go on over there. You done had your fool of him. Hey, JSN, you take it. I mean, I mean,

don't say it like that. I'm just being honest. I mean, for, and I've been in situations where I've had coaches to tell us, you make sure the starter doesn't get hurt because his backup is better than he is. So what we would do, that's your get around the pile, Ocho. We put him on. I don't want you to get rolled up because the guy that's backing you up,

he's going to tear my ass up when he comes here. So I'm going to make sure I'm going to get you for four quarters. I ain't dealing with that joke on the sideline. Right, right. I'll make sure I'm going to get you for four quarters. I ain't dealing with that. That's on the sideline. Right. So for them to bring to, to, for DK,

DK beat him. That's no problem. DK is a Pro Bowl wide receiver. He's a veteran wide receiver, a big body guy. And here, why the hell are you trying to press DK? You know, he wants to play through contact anyway.

Yeah, you're right. You're right. But another thing again, in the case of Bradbury, bigger receivers struggle when you can attack them at the line first. You get a little bit of an advantage if they can't get off. If they can't get their hands off you, then you can win. You can win that battle.

A bigger target. Slow them down a little bit and maybe get a little advantage. It didn't work in that case. On the slant, it didn't work with the P.I. It didn't work on the deep ball. Ocho, that's good if you technically sound like a long-armed Rebus.

Rebus was technically sound. Rebus was never going for the first move. He wasn't biting on all that you're dancing. Rebus said you ain't Left the line screaming And this is

This is the thing about Revis That 2009 season Was so special And I don't think people Understand how special it was I always talk about That's one of the first things I talk about when I talk about Revis

Listen You know Sally Mae You know how many people Oh Sally Mae You know how You know how patient Sally Mae has to be Cause she ain't never

Getting them motherfucking loans back Ain't nobody paying them shit. That's the kind of patience Revis had. There's only one player. There's only one player I've ever seen in the history of Revis' career that I've ever seen actually get him, and that was the great Stevie Johnson.

Well, you got to be quick, fast, Twitch. A big receiver, he's going to eat him up. A big receiver, he's going to eat him up. Every time. This man was so motherfucking strong. Oh, shit, I cursed. My quick, fast, Twitch. A big receiver, he going to eat them up. A big receiver, he going to eat them up. Every time. This man was so motherfucking strong. Oh, shit, I cursed. My bad. God forgive me.

He was so strong, and he had an arm bar. He had an arm bar. His ball skills was elite. Yeah. Everything about him was elite. It was great. So, the chance of us seeing anything like that again, it's going to be a long time coming. It's going to be a very long time coming.

He was great at riding you to the sideline. He going to bar you, and then all of a sudden he going to look out, but he going to be riding you to the sideline. The next thing you know, you out of bounds. He going to play that ball now. He had elite ball skills. He was elite in bump and run. It's just everything pure quality.

That 2009 season was special. That will never, ever be replicated or duplicated. He's the leading in bump and run. It's just everything pure quality. That 2009 season was special. That'll never, ever be replicated or duplicated. And let's go to the other side, Jalen Hurts. I'm a firm believer. Now, I've been telling y'all, they turn in the ball. Shannon, they winning. You a hater.

I said, remember, Ocho, what's my favorite saying? You never accept anything in a win, you win in a loss. If you didn't have problems when they was winning, you shouldn't have problems with the turnovers right now. But you do. And when I was trying to explain to you, there are things that I see in Jalen Hurts. He's turning the ball over more than we've ever seen. Bro, we're winning.

We're this and that. You didn't want to hear what I got to say. But guess what? I bet I got your undivided attention now, don't I? I got your Philly fans. I bet I got your undivided attention now, don't I? I got your Philly fans. I got your full and undivided attention. I bet I do now, don't I? Oh, what you know?

Loud mouth, what you know? I know more than you think. I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything, though. And I know there are certain things, and what I try to do is that I point things out. So when it happens, you're not surprised. You're not surprised by it.

Jalen Hurst was turning the ball. Now, I'm not saying that he's not injured, but he doesn't look the same to me, and he had looked the same since he injured that leg. But the ball, he's turning it over, interceptions. He's fumbling the football. That's increased. Now, when that increases, your probability of winning decreases now on the

other side your defense isn't what they were last year they're not attacking the quarterback like they once did they're not turning teams over like they could last year now all of a sudden when the turnovers was down you guys was taking the ball away and sacking the quarterback. That's what you got. You got a team that looked, was very impressive from start to finish, got all the way to the Super Bowl. It was in a couple of minutes of winning the Super Bowl. Now, basically the same team. Now you could say, oh, we got this guy.

No, no, it's not. It's not. Your turnovers aren't the same. And each year, that's why it's so hard to repeat. That's why there have been so few repeat Super Bowl winners. And even teams that lose the Super Bowl to get back. That's why it's so impressive what Buffalo did. Buffalo got back four times.

Four consecutive times. Three, three, or four? It was four, right? Four. Yeah, it was four. Yes. 91, 90, 91, 92, 93. Yeah, it was 4. Yes. Yeah. 91-90, 91-92-93. And lost all four.

And lost all four. You will never see that again. Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. But, you know, Jalen was 17 for 31, 143. Obviously, two turnovers. And with the back end of the defense playing as bad as it is and not being able to take away the ball as much as they should.

You can't turn it over. Listen, that too. And the offense away the ball as much as they should. You can't turn it over. Listen, that too, and the offense not clicking on all cylinders like they should. Listen, the Philly we used to see scoring 21, 28, sometimes 30, but they're not putting up the points like that.

And when the defense ain't taking the ball away from you, those possessions that you do have on offense matter that much more. You got to maximize them. You got to maximize them. So if your defense isn't taken away, what can't you do on offense? You can't give it away.

No, you can't. You can't. And so that's the problem they have. Hey, I want y'all to know I hit that parlay. Y'all been killing me. I want y'all to jump in this chat right now and say, hey, oh, I appreciate that good looking out because I hit that parlay. We got them yard.

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Turn that little $10 Into something nice You know it's good though Right around the corner You into something nice. You know what's good, though? You know what's good for the Philly fans? Or for the Eagles team in general? Their remaining schedule. I think they're going to be all right. Their remaining schedule is the Giants, the Cardinals.

They got the Giants twice? Or they got the Giants commanders? I think they got the Giants, Cardinals, commanders Giants commanders I think they got the Giants Cardinals commanders oh yeah Giants Cardinals commanders is that right or is it the commanders I thought they played the commander they didn't play the commanders twice already or am I tripping I don't know either way Giants Cardinals Giants Giants Cardinals Giants they got the Giants twice Giants Cardinals Giants well well there you goants. They got the Giants twice. Giants, Cardinals, Giants. Well, there you go. You definitely can go into the playoffs with some momentum and being able to fix those issues with the three teams you got to play next.

Well, two. Two teams you got to play next. But let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. What you think those teams playing the Eagles thinking? Hey, we can get us a win to close out the season. We might not be going nowhere, but misery loves trumpeting. All I know is that when I'm going to make the playoffs on show,

I'm trying to knock your ass out. Knock your ass out, yeah. Exactly. Right, right. But I'm going to be done on Monday. Guess what? Guess who else is going to get a healthy trash bag? You, because you're going to be cleaning out your SHIT too.

Yeah. I ain't going to be the only one going home. Listen, they're not going to fold that bad, man. They're not going to fold that bad. Right now, they fall to the only one going home. They're not going to fall that bad, man. They're not going to fall that bad. Right now, they fall to the fifth seed right now. And they will be in the playoffs. They're not going to fall that bad.

But again, mistakes that need to be corrected. These next two games, I'm going to just say two because they played the Giants twice. You're playing teams where those mistakes can be corrected, and you're going to have to. And that back end, they got to be able to do something. And it all starts with that front end. That front end got to pick up the slack. The front end got to pick up the slack to make it easier for the back end. Yeah, I mean, if you look...

If the front end don't get there, the back end going to keep getting exposed. Right. Every time. Bro, you do realize they got beat by Drew Locke. You don't like Drew Locke? Drew Locke was

in Denver slaying that thing, man. I know. I know what you're going to say. All right. I'm sorry. I'm talking about from Philly's standpoint. I mean, he made some throws. On that last drive, he was sensational. On the last drive, he got a big arm. Did you see the ball placement

on that throw to the JSN? Yes. And the one to DK. Yeah. He had to get that up and down before the safety got on. It wasn't nobody going to catch that ball

except the football, the person it was thrown to or Moses. That's it. DK had an unbelievable game. Sir Big Snow said, Ocho, Deebo said Bradbury was trash. He did.

Oh, that's right. That was them going at it, huh? Yeah, but you know, Ocho, when one player said that, I try to take that with a grain of salt because I know a lot of it's gamemanship. But sometimes a player will tell you how he really feels about another player.

Yeah, I don't think they like each other. That's very seldom. That's very seldom that happens. But you know, Ocho, I don't let what one player says about another player, I don't let that sway me on what I think about that player.

I'm going to watch him and I'm going to critique based on what I see and my intimate knowledge of the game. Now, if somebody says he's trash, I mean, I don't really like to say that, but I'm like, you know, I'm saying to myself, yeah, he ain't very good. He might not be trash, but he pretty close. He recyclable. He's trash.

He's recyclable. Right. Clifton Gordon said, Brad Bear is definitely overrated. Can't stand him anymore. However much blame should go to the OC Brian Johnson with the horrible play call with the first seven minutes of the fourth quarter. And plus, I don't know why Russ had to take that chance

on that first interception. He didn't need to take that chance. That guy was covered. Yeah. That's not A.J. Brown. You don't give your third. I understand that there was a situation. I think they played somebody.

Who was that? They played somebody and their third receiver made a play for him. Yeah, big play. Yeah, you know Zaccheaus. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Zaccheaus made a play for him. But more times than not, you give your number one receiver, A.J., that opportunity.

Or maybe a Devontae Smith. But the third and fourth receiver, you're going to give them that opportunity? Nah, I don't know. Look, I trust them, but there's a reason why they traded what they traded and they paid A.J. Brown. There's a reason why they traded what they traded, and they paid A.J. Brown. There's a reason why you drafted Devontae within the top 10 of the draft. There's a reason why.

I just don't understand why he took that chance. And plus that last throw, did they have any timeouts? Because they got a kicker that, remember, Ocho? They had two left, if I'm not mistaken. The deep ball. The deep ball that I intercepted by Love. Why would he do that? Because he got a kicker that can kick it 60 yards. I don't know. I was thinking

about that because they had time outs left, maybe a dig, some short, the middle of the field. You don't have to worry about the sidelines. You can throw the ball to the middle of the field because you have time outs. Time outs. You had at that i mean it's only 13 seconds you but you you had one play and a time out that's it yes all i need all you need probably you probably

needed about 10 15 yards okay i get up there call my time out i got one two seconds let me see if my field goal can get my field goal kicker can get me into overtime. We watched him kick a 61-yard or 59-yard just a week ago. Yeah, he got a big leg. He got a big leg. Yeah. So, TJ Ellsworth asked, Uncle Shay Shay, do you believe on both

Hurts' interception there was PI? And if so, does that stand as an interception when that's an obvious penalty? I don't. I don't think it was a P.I. I don't. I think it was a poor. I think both of them with poor decisions. I think the ball was thrown poorly.

That's just me. I mean, maybe you saw P.I., but I didn't know Joe. Yeah. And I mean, that's tough. And with the way the refs are making the calls now where they call in every goddamn thing, they don't goddamn. They don't. They don't flag like like yellow handkerchiefs right now. calls now where they're calling every goddamn thing. They're throwing flags

like yellow handkerchiefs right now. They're calling everything. That's what I don't like is the fact that the focal point is now on holding and roughing the passers. And offsides. And offsides.

It's watering down the flow of the game. It's watering down the flow of the game. It's watering down the flow of the game where they just call, they just nitpicking. So if you want to nitpick, obviously,

depending on, if you run 100 plays, honestly, you can call some type of penalty on every single play. Every time. Every time.

And I hope the game doesn't come to that where they nitpick on every single play and it just disrupts the flow of a game. But that's that's that's the route we're going. Friendly neighborhood kids said as a Hawks as a Hawks fan, we came out with the win. But I think we still need to move on from Pete. What do you guys think? I don't think Pete's going anywhere. I think they hitched their wagon to Pete for the most part. You see all the Legion of Boom with the exception they brought Bobby Wagner back.

But with the exception of B-Wag, the Legion of Boom is no more. Russell is out of there. So now Seattle is basically known for Pete Carroll. And so I think the Allen, Paul Allen's sister who owns the, who runs the, who owns it and John Schneider and those guys, I think, I think they're, Pete's not, I don't believe Pete's going anywhere. That's just me personally.

I mean, why, do you think, why would he leave? No. I think he said, he thinks they should move on from Pete. And my question is, what do you think you're going to get better than Pete? That too.

That too. That's the thing. I missed one. Jose Castro Rios did tonight show the weakness in the second day of the Eagles. What you mean tonight? What have you been for four months, I've been telling y'all this, but y'all don't think I know what I'm talking about. So, you know what, Ocho?

What used to irks me, especially when I was on CBS, is that people don't think, if you didn't play the quarterback position, they don't think you know anything about football. Only the quarterback studied film. Only the quarterback practiced. Only the quarterback knew all. What the hell you thought I was doing? You thought I just went to get, you know, I went to get candy bars? knew all but what the hell you thought i was doing you thought i just went to get you know i went to get candy bars i was just what the hell you

think i was doing there i watched tape i studied the game i mean people that that played with me and my coaches they would tell you that i'm a student of the game yeah i understand the game yeah you had to be i mean i try to keep it as simple as i possibly can i don't like to get into the intricacies of it you know i'm saying a nine technique a wide nine yeah yeah yeah a seven eye five a three a tilt now you know i'm saying i'm getting all that you know you start talking about okay yeah then then cover six six kicks cover four okay there's seven then cloud come on man y'all not gonna understand that basically what y'all understand is it's cover two. Right. Shale high. Look at the two safety. Well, single high safety. Safety in the middle of the field.

All that, you know, robber, lurk. You know, I see a signal. Okay. You know what that means? That's a banjo. That means we bracketing somebody. Oh, we passing it off. One of the other. Yeah. Hey, if he comes in there, you got if he comes back i'm here yeah

yeah listen that that that should get exotic now that should get exotic and complicated that's yes and i'm okay but and this is what i like about defense too okay no go ahead go ahead i said this is what i like about personnel and the better your personnel, the more skilled players that you do have, the more exotic and the more in the deeper your playbook good defensively. Listen, some of that stuff, the Raven used to want to run in the two thousands.

Some of the stuff, the Steelers used to run in the two thousands. Only they could run that stuff based on the personnel they had. Listen, I saw a defense one time with Paula Malu and Ryan Clark. Before the snap of the ball, I tell you no lie.

I tell you no lie. If I'm lying, I'm flying. Everybody was at the line of scrimmage before the snap of the ball. Before the snap of the ball, everybody was at the line of scrimmage before the snap of the ball. Before the snap of the ball, everybody was at the line of scrimmage. And it was some type of exotic bluff. Right before the ball snapped,

everybody shot up out of there so fast to get to wherever their responsibilities were. I'm like, who in the hell? Man, I ain't never seen nothing like that. You talk about... And the thing is, but the thing is, Ocho, that seen nothing like that. You talk about... And the thing is, but the thing is, Ocho, that, but here's the thing.

Whether you're offense or defense, when you go on the road, you can be less creative because now the communication is a lot harder. And so when we're on the road, we only have a handful of plays. We either know,

we running handoff week or we running toss week. We ain't got all these plays. We gonna check the this and check the that. And everybody's like, huh? Well, I thought it was this. No, handoff week, but we running toss weak. We ain't got all these plays. We going to check the this and check the that. And everybody's like, huh? Well, I thought it was this. No, hand-off weak, hand-off strong.

I mean, hand-off weak, toss strong. That's what we running. Right. You know, with you guys, you always ran that stretch play too. Yeah. That stretch play like the goddamn Colts. Like they always used to do with Edgars and Joe and the guy. Yes.

Y'all love that damn play. And hey, listen, TD will hold it. He'll hold it. He'll hold it. And bend that bitch right on back. Every time.

I had one with him a lot of times. Him and Portis. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But if you notice, look at all the guys we had. Him and Portis.

We had Portis, rookie of the year, 1,500 yards, back-to-back season. Mike Anderson, rookie of the year, 1,500 yards.-to-back season. Mike Anderson, rookie of the year, 1,500 yards. That's right. All them guys leave. Ruben Drones,

who was the fullback, they put him at I-back. He goes for 1,250, get paid. TD gets hurt in 99. They put a Landis Gary in there. We call him Bird. We call him. They said, man, why you calling Bird? I said, that joke was so pigeon-toed. I don't know what to throw.

Bird, see? I'll say, what's up, bro? I mean, hey, but Bird be housing that thing. Yeah. And so, but TD, all TD had to know. Mike, I had one responsibility. When TD cut back, he had to know that defensive end wasn't going to put his helmet in his hip. Right.

That was my sole responsibility. That's not going to happen on my watch. Now, he would ask me, hey, 84, what you got backside? I said, hold up, TD, keep your front side. Right, right, right. I said, you come back here right now, bad thing is going to happen. Give me an opportunity. Give me a bad

thing going to happen to you. Let you wear him down a little bit? I say, I got to cut him a few more times. Let me cut him a few more times. You know, hey, I had him like cockroach, feet up in the air. Hey, Diddy, come see your boy. Hey, and now all of a sudden he hit that thing. Yeah.

He out the gate. But, you know, I had to soften him up. I had to soften him up, though. The first two quarters, keep the front side of the house. Keep it to the strong side. Don't come back here weak side. I like that. Michael called out Cowboys haters.

What I don't understand is everybody just waits for the Cowboys to lose. I saw multiple analysts, people who are fake analysts, who somehow got jobs on TV saying, there goes your boy. It's almost to the point where it's like almost sick. Some of these people are like mentally sick. They're waiting for former players. Former players are waiting for current players to fail so that they can have something to talk about.

I don't think Micah really understands who he's playing for yet. I don't think he understands. Yeah, he does because he talks. I don't think he understands. You remember at the beginning of the year, he talked about historical defense? He said that. He said they got a historical defense. Now, this talked. I don't think he had a saying. You remember at the beginning of the year, he talked about historical defense? Yeah. He said that.

He said they got a historical defense. Now, this is what I don't know. This is what I don't know. I never heard Michael Parsons, because I was one of the first ones that ran out. I said, this is the best player in the draft. Even though he did not play his senior year, based on what I had seen him play his junior year, and based on what I saw at the combine. Right.

It fit. You can see the way he timed, the way he jumped. He's explosive. He's sudden. So whatever you saw on tape, he confirmed it at the combine. Yeah. I hear him say one time, these so-called fake analysts saying I'm going to be great. I didn't hear him say that one time.

These analysts say I should be rookie of the year. He never said, he never said anything when they said it's bad LT. He's the closest thing I've seen to LT. That's what I don't get. Why don't you say it's too much praise when guys are heaping that praise on you? When you wrecking shop, he never says them former players waiting on me.

They talk, hey, hey, hey, Shannon, man, that's too much, man. Don't be saying I'm going to be this good. Don't say I'm going to be running rookie of the year. Don't say I'm going to win rookie of the year and defensive player of the year. Come on, man. That ain't right. Why you root? Oh, he don't mind when they root for him.

Yeah. Even though I don't believe players are rooting against him, but he don't mind when they're cheering him on. It's just that when you go out there and you didn't have the type of game and they found ways and we saw this 49ers give you a great blueprint, make him use

his eyes, instead of making him swim, make him catch. Put that tight end on him and say, okay, stand up in here now yeah we don't want you to stand because you said you you wanted to play with your hand in the dirt and the buffalo bill say put them tight ends on him they put them big guys on him and all of a sudden he didn't have the same type of game bro do you i could imagine reggie DT, and all the greats complaining.

And he talked about the media. What the hell you think you in? Where did you say this at? On your show? On your podcast? Do you realize you're part of the media also? Yeah. Yeah.

I think he has to understand what comes with playing for the Dallas Cowboys. I still don't think he has to understand what comes with playing for the Dallas Cowboys. I still don't think he understands. I still don't think he understands that the Dallas Cowboys move the needle. The Dallas Cowboys, the Los Angeles Lakers, and the New York Yankees, they move the needle. They will always be talked about, criticized, and analyzed different than any other team. That's just the way it is.

It's the lay of the land. It will always be that way. But what they got to do, what they got to do, all they have to do in order to shut up the analysts, in order to shut up the haters, the so-called fake analysts

that never played the game, is you got to go out there and execute week in and week out. Ocho, but that was the problem. It's a simple fix. Remember, Ocho, that was just saying he ain't even never played a game the networks have guys that played the game. Critiquing your game. Now, that's a problem.

Oh, then you say, well, what have he done? Y'all sure y'all want to answer me that question? Are you sure? Are you sure? Now, I know I've been away from the game and a lot of people don't, and I don't really care. I'm going to say what I'm going to say based on what I see. Now, y'all know y'all can't BS me now. Y'all need to stop playing. I'm too big of a cat to be played with like a kid. Now, I can't

tell y'all that. So, when your owner's out there running his yap about how historically great this defense is, when everybody's writing about you in Dallas, talking about this team is so close and this team seems different, you ain't got no problem with that.

But the moment that y'all all you got to do is show up against one of these against the 49ers, all you had to do was show up. Against the Eagles on the road, all you had to do was show up. All you had to do was show up against Buffalo. Because everybody just wait. I told you this team feel different.

Really? Well, I don't know what y'all to be. I want y'all to beat somebody. Go on the road and beat somebody. Now that I think about it, let me see. The loss of the Bills, 31-10. The remaining, the rest of the gauntlet, I'm going to call it the gauntlet. The rest of the gauntlet for them.

They got beat 42-10 by the 49ers. Got beat 28-16 by the Cardinals, minus Kyler Murray. Listen, they got the Dolphins, the Lions, and the Commanders. Got beat 28-16 by the Cardinals, minus Kyler Murray. Yeah. Listen, they got the Dolphins, the Lions, and the Commanders. But them two next ones,

that tells the whole story. That tells the whole story. Them Dolphins, you already know what's happened. Tyreek back next week. Yeah, but here's the thing, Ocho, and what I've been trying to tell people, and people all, you know, I say the Cowboys are different. They're deep. This is a defense. I understand that Dak is playing unbelievable MVP type football. Oh yeah. But you see what happens when they don't get turnovers.

When you see what happens, how they look, when they don't get big fixes and scooping scores or put their offense on a short field, you see how they look. You tell me that's the same team when they didn't get the turnovers against the 49ers or they didn't create turnovers they didn't create i think they might have had one against arizona i think they might have had one on the road against philly they got none against buffalo see they're not losing a field goal game they're getting demolished yeah you know i think the problem is and i and i talked to you about this too before,

I said, do you really think it's an advantage when you're playing at home as opposed to playing on the road? The Cowboys score 40 points a game when they're playing at home. And 21 points a game on the road. That's basically three touchdowns, Ocho. That's three touchdowns different.

That's not, okay, we scored 28 points on the road. At home, we scored points on the road. I mean, at home, we scored 24 on the road. Bro, do you understand? That's three touchdowns? Three? Oh, my goodness.

Look at the takeaways at home. I think they're plus 10. On the road, they're minus. Minus, yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. Predicated on defense, getting scooping uh uh pick six in short fields and this is the and this is what we're talking about but micah you have to understand as a preeminent player you have to show up in moments like this bro you take these guys

it doesn't matter and that's and remember we to Coach Prime. And Prime, I want to thank you for coming on last night. Everybody say how much they loved the episode. It's our highest episode thus far. I think we had a tick. Ocho, we had a tick up under 45,000. I think we had 44,932. Yes, sir. So we had a tick under 45,000. So we want to thank

Coach Prime for coming on, gracing us with his presence, and dropping some knowledge on us. But can you imagine when people say, oh, Prime ain't show up. Reggie White ain't show up. Bruce Smith ain't show up. Ray Lewis, 15 ran for 600, 15

ran for 240 yards on the Baltimore Ravens defense. Imagine if Ray, imagine if Ray came out and said, hey man, man, these so-called fake analysts and haters. Really? Do you understand the company that people have already put you in? And you ain't have no problem with that. If you shouldn't have a problem with criticism see and this is what happens if you live for t i said if you live for the applause you will die by the criticism

you see whoa you see hold on now hold on i think t i said that hold on let me give him a pen hold on said that. Hold on. Let me get my pen. Hold on. I'm in a hotel. I like that one. I left my notepad in Miami. Boy, give me that one again, boy. Yeah. If you live for the praise, you die by the criticism. Yeah, I'm going to use that on real. I'm going to use that. Why you use everything

on real? Don't use that on real. That's the only person I get into it with. So I got the Hatties in my pocket now. Yeah, that's a good one, boy. But that's the thing. But Micah needs to understand, because of his level of greatness, there's a greater expectation for him. Yeah.

And because he doesn't get to have an off game. And not to say that, look, but you have to understand there's a cycle now. Like when those other great plays, there was no 24-hour news cycle. You had your local reporter and the group of reporters, but now everything,

they can go back to every play. A guy can pull up every play, somebody can pull it up on their computer and show it. Look at Micah. Micah ain't working here. Look at this guy

put Micah on his back. Look at this. Look at that. They didn't have that before. So I'm not going to sit here and tell you because I know I've broken down all the greats. All the greats have been blocked. All the greats have been pancaked. All the greats have had games in which they didn't play their best.

So do you think it's okay? It's okay to say, okay, you know what? The Cowboys can have a game like this? Yeah. As opposed to- But they've had too many of them. But Cowboys, they 10 and 4. Yeah, but look who they're beating.

We're asking them, when you step up in competition and play a bully like you, somebody that can look you in your eye. Man, don't pick on him. Hey, you know how the other old joke with some people cracking jokes They don't get mad at the people telling the joke They get mad at the people that's laughing

What you laughing at He told a joke That's what I'm laughing at So the Cowboys they picking on the commanders They picking on the Giants They picking on the Jets The Panthers Okay there come the 49ers

Okay right right, there come the 49ers. Okay, right, right. Oh, there come Buffalo. The teams you're going to see in the playoffs, basically. Yes, show me. Show me what y'all say y'all are. If you're tired of people saying that you're not this, all you do, you just repeat it. And that's what I said.

I'm not, look, all I said, I need to see. I need to see. Faith is believing in the unknown. God said that. God said, if you have faith, I'll show you. Well, I'm a man. I need you to show me to have faith. And I ain't seen it.

You've seen it. Remember two years ago when Dak had that great season? Almost through for 4,000 yards. And guess what happened when the 49ers came in? And what did the 49ers do to him? Got him, put foots up in him, got him right on the pot of there. Last year, even though he missed five

games, he tied for the league in interceptions. Go on the road to the 49ers, what'd they do? Put foots in him. Got him right the league in interceptions. Interceptions, yeah. Go on the road to the 40. That's what they do. Put foots in them. Got them right on the pot of there. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news,

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first round we haven't seen them get past the second round they get past that division around okay what have you seen it now you do realize they haven't been past that first round. So how old were you in 95? 95, I was 22. You weren't 22. 79, you were 16. So think about that. You were 16. Wait a minute. Let me give him

a calculator. Hold on. You don't need no calculator. I calculated for you. Okay. You were 16. And a minute. Let me get my calculator. Hold on. You don't need no calculator. I calculated for you. Okay. You were 16. And you're not 32. You're not even 36. So let that sink in for just a second. Yeah.

Yeah. That's how long it's been since they've been past the second round. Wait. It's been that long? Yeah. When they won the Super Bowl in Arizona. 95. And they still get the type of media attention and criticism.

Yes. Yes. Yes. That is truly America's team. You do understand that, right? Yes. For you to not have won in so long. Because their fans are delusional because Jerry tells him every

year and everybody buys into it. This is the year. It's kind of like it's kind of like the kid the parent to tell the kid. Oh, I'm gonna take you tomorrow and tomorrow never comes but you still hold out hope that what he said is going to come true or that Christmas

gift that you were expecting that never came? Yeah. I mean, I remember my grandmother told me at the beginning at the beginning of receiving, all 32 teams had that same speech and that same talk from their head coaches. Nah, but their

owners are not out there peddling that. See, nobody else's owner is saying that this team reminds me of those Super Bowl teams when you had those seven, eight Hall of Famers on it. What other owner is saying that? What other owner is telling you who's going to play, who's injured, the injury report? What other owner is doing that? What other owner is saying after you beat the commanders that this is the most this is the happiest that I've been

what other owner after you beat a division rival says you know what this is the best we've played what other owner is doing that him but Jerry Jones he's always been front and center though he's always been that way because he wants it about him

no matter how great Dak plays, when you think of the Cowboys, who do you think about, Ocho? Jerry Jones. Jerry, because he's always front and center. And all the other owners, Patrick Mahomes, Clark Hunt says, I don't need that. Robert Kraft got six championships

since he got his last one. Think about that. He's been nine times. He got six. Damn. And Mr. Crafts, hey, our coach Belichick, our Tommy,

he calls him Tommy. He called both of them Tommy. I mean, Tommy and Billy. That's what he called coach Belichick, Billy. He calls Tom,

Tommy. Y'all get that. I don't need that. He craves that. And that's why he got Jimmy up out of there because he wouldn't get that he wanted that right

ah man so do you think maybe if jerry was to move out the way maybe the okay the one guy that can never lose his job i mean he can't lose his job i'm talking about just taking a back seat as far as being the face and the voice of the Cowboys. Let the players do it. Let Dak do it. You do realize that they got guys that got way more money than Jerry and we don't know who the hell they are?

If Jerry were to move... Who got more money than Jerry? Man, Jerry probably the 1300th or 1400th richest person in the world. There are a lot of people that got more money. In the world. I mean, I know there is. I was speaking on, I thought you meant with the Cowboys.

I thought you meant with the Cowboys organization. But why not? Because they don't own the Cowboys. Okay, I see what you're saying. I see where you're going. That's why you think those rich people try to get those teams. That's a level that, and those rich people try to get those teams that's a that's a level that

and some some rich people don't want that some people like hey I got my 30, 40, 50, 100, 200 billion and I'm cool I'm cool

I don't I don't I love my anonymity I'ma go get on my you know my 300, 400 foot yacht remember Ocho mega yacht not just any yacht

Mega yacht Ain't no crying on the yacht Ain't no crying on the yacht Ain't no crying 35,000 feet up On the air on the G6 They cool with that But Jerry Is so tied to the cowboys

I mean that's his baby That's his baby. That's our man. That's your guy. Hey, ain't no telling. Who can tell, Jerry? How about, you know what? I think things will change for us

as a team, as an organization, if you kind of took a backseat a little bit. If you didn't be the voice, if you didn't say some of the things that puts a strain on the team to have to go out there and perform by saying things like, this is one of the things that puts a strain on the team to have to go out there and perform by saying things like, this is one of the best defenses, or this is the Super Bowl

contending team. Who can talk to him and he can actually listen and be like, you know what? Maybe you're right. Steven is his right-hand man. Steven is the guy that most of the time when you see Jerry sitting up at the podium or the desk, is Steven next to him.

Also now he does have a Jerry name is Gerald. He does have a junior and he has a daughter. Charlotte. And I think his wife is named Jean. So probably

probably Steven. Probably Steven. I mean this would be a good time at some point. probably probably Steven probably Steven I mean this would be a good time at some point after all these years I'm not sure how Cowboys fans feel about it but I think maybe the direction of the team will go where it needs to go

if Jerry took a backseat and didn't try to take all the attention and put the onus and the pressure on the players to go out and perform and just allow them to play the game like the other 31 teams do that don't have those owners putting the pressure on them to go out there and succeed well you know um ojo when i was in baltimore brian billick did a lot of talking so he was essentially writing checks that we had to cash yeah and we had a defense that could cash those checks. Or steal it. Either one. Y'all could steal it too.

Shit. So now, the thing is, now, if Jared was talking like he's talking right now in the 90s, when he had Playmaker and Emmitt and Troy, and he had all those guys. He had Nate Newton. He had Tuanay. He had Gogan and Stepnowski and Big Easy.

And then you had Leon Letton. You had all those guys. Tobin had Gogan and Stepnowski and Big Easy. And then you had Leon Lenton, you had all those guys, Tobert and Chaley and Darren Woodson and all those guys. You could do that. Hey, baby, could you? Yeah, you could do that. Could you? But everybody said they want to see my shirt. This is what I do right here.

It's all I got for you, Ocho. I give 100% that work. 10% Monday, 30%... Friday, you ain't getting nothing. Friday, you already know. It's already the weekend. Yeah.

5% Fridays. 49th and King donated 50 bucks and he asked, Uncle Ocho, do you think the Cowboys are better at home because of the speed of the field versus the natural turf outdoor style? No. I think the thing is that when they go on the road, teams run the ball at them. They're a light football team.

They're built on speed. And so they're predicated on having a lead. Look at the games they've lost. They ain't had no lead. It's hard to get after the quarterback when you dial 14 and they run in the ball down your throat. You can't sack the quarterback if he ain't got the ball.

So that's what teams are doing. Teams are putting them in a deficit. So now you got to sit in there because they're an undersized team. They're all about getting A. It's like Floyd, I think Floyd Peters, the famous says, hey, we're going to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. And so that's how the Cowboys think.

Everybody's trying to attack the quarterback, attack the running game on the way to the quarterback. Well, when you got guys firing off on you, hey, you remember what D-Law said? Oh, you got a mofo in the mouth, you hit him over and again and again and again and again and again. So when a mofo line up and they hit you in your mouth again and again and again and again, and when you try to make a pile, they lift your butt up and get you up out of there again and again and again. Yeah. Then you got 266 yards.

Josh Allen threw the ball 15 times yesterday. He completed five. And the conditions like that, what the hell you think they're going to do, Ocho? They got to run. You got to run. You ain't got no choice. You ain't got no choice. I don't know what they thought was going to happen.

At that point in time, and we see James Cook, we see Joe Brady relying a lot more on the run game with James Cook, not only running the football, they're throwing the ball to him, allowing him to get down the field. We see him. We caught that touchdown. They like to play with those undersized and a third down and nickel.

They like to play with undersized linebackers. You remember what Dion Dawkins did to number 33? He walked him down the field about 20 yards, choked him on his head, and they had to come get him. Yeah, he was hurt. That's a whole lot of weight on you. I don't care how big, how bad you are, but them

300-pounders start leaning on your ass, and you 220, you 230. Bad things gonna happen. Bad things gonna happen. Listen, physics is undefeated physics is undefeated slim from the sticks that ass doing live stream is crazy

Ocho, I'm bad looking, man slim, slim, man you know the old pool hustler trying to get paid, man Ocho and I got miles to feed Ocho got like 8, 9 miles I got like 7 or 8 miles to feed, brocho got like eight, nine miles. I got like seven, eight miles to feed, bro. 11. You got 11?

11. I got 11, man. We're working on one more. 11 in the possible. Listen, 11 in the possible, and I don't even play spades. Damn. Yeah, man. And the key is expensive, now.

Ocho, you remember I told you we was having a conversation the other day and we was talking about finance, about people. And somebody asked us, what did we, you and I, and our kids' mother argue about and I said, you know,

money about private school. And people say 15,000. Man, there ain't no money. I'm paying that now. You do realize that was 25 plus years ago. You do realize that was 25 plus years ago. You do realize that was 25 plus years ago. Right. Again, you do realize that was 25 plus years ago.

And you do realize I had three kids. So you sure that we're on the same level of playing field? Okay. Now you get my point. I hope like when you're talking about this, when we're talking about our kids, all my kids are grown. Yeah. My baby's in her last year.

She's about to go to residency. I'm a granddad. So clearly I ain't got no teenagers. I mean, I could theoretically, but I don't. All my kids have graduated undergrad. My daughter, my youngest daughter went undergrad. She got a master's. Now she's about to get a doctor.

So come on, people. That's a lie. And I'm not saying that to say comparison. Like, I understand that having a child now and you have to work and you have to put the kid in daycare. It's expensive. That's the number one cause to eat at finances of a family is daycare for a child. That's just expensive.

And you got to have somebody and you need to have somebody that you trust to watch your child. And I get it. And it's not cheap. And that's why, you know, you have a couple of kids, man, you need to be making damn near half a million dollars to have a couple of kids.

Now, Ocho, it ain't like it was when we were growing up. People had kids like my mom and my grandma when they were born. That was free labor. You had work. They put your ass to work. That's what that was for. They had a bunch of kids. You know, my grandma had nine kids. Yeah.

And all of them had to hit the fields. Ooh! Man, look here. Ocho, all of them had to hit the fields. Ooh! Man, look here. I remember this had to be how was I? This had to be 73-74. I'm going to say 73-74. Right. Right, right. My granddaddy came home.

He said, I want everything big enough to sop syrup to hit that field tomorrow. Everything! Now, you know you ain't got to be that big to sop syrup. hit that field tomorrow. Everything. Now, you know you ain't got to be that big to sop syrup. Yeah, you sure don't. So everybody had that. Mr. Joe Tatum, I talk about him a lot because he would come by and pick us up.

Now, at the time now, he met the older kids. I was the youngest by three years. I'm three years younger than my brother. My sister is eight years older than me. Now, I got an aunt that's nine years older than me, and then I got a couple of them that was 11, 12, 13 years old.

And so when Mr. Joe pulls up, I'm sitting on the porch. Like I said, I'm five or six years of age. He said, Barney, what about that little fella? He said, Joe, he pretty little. He said, Barney Barty, what about that little fella? He said, Joe, he, he pretty little.

He said, uh, Barty, we can find something for him to do. What the hell you mean? You find something for me to do? I'm like, what though?

What? Yeah. Guess what? Walk behind the tobacco picker. I had to pick the lead that hit the ground. I had to, I had to pick him up and take him to the guy. Yeah.

And then now we, I had to pick him up and take him to the guy. Yeah. And then, now, I had to carry a rope. Now, the rope probably was about 200 yards long. I carry a rope by myself. Now, people in North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, I don't know the other states, or maybe Alabama, Mississippi, but the first picking is called sand lugging. That means the leaves are closest to the ground and they're on the sand so that's called sand lugging

back breaking work but you know you young hey man I'm 5'7 8'10 I'm out there with my cousins hey I'm trying to win I bet I could beat y'all I'm racing the big kids I'm trying to win but the key what he did

what he would do, we would get up and the truck was back there so we'd have to pull the truck up. And the older kids, they had to get smart. That means they had to run back to get the truck and they didn't want to do it. He's like, Pee Wee Sundown, why don't y'all go get the

truck? We five, Landy is two years older than me. We five, we five and seven, six and eight. He let us drive. Took off. Yeah, we let us drive. You know what I'm saying? I was like this old, yo.

I could barely see on the steel. Wait, you could reach the gas? You could reach the pedal? That's what I'm saying. I'm up here like this here. Oh, you're standing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm barely.

Barely. Barely. But the fact that he trusted enough to drive the truck in the field yeah so that's why that's what we learn how to drive drive the track to drive all that stuff but man hold on retired senior chief uh u.s navy said man i'm gonna tell y'all i would pay for bishop gorman i would pay what man i ain't gonna tell y'all what i would pay for Bishop Gorman, I would pay, well, man, I ain't gonna tell y'all what I would pay for Bishop Gorman here in Vegas. Would

he go to school? He wants to go to school there. Bishop Gorman? For his kids to go there. Oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's in Vegas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, Randall Cunningham kids. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't gonna tell y'all what I

would pay man please if it was left up to me I ain't pay for no school man I ain't pay for no unless now it's just like where the area that we live cause you know Ocho back in the day you had to go

in the school to the district where you went you couldn't go across town if you lived yeah it was the same thing in Miami it was the same thing like that in Miami it's based on address it tell you what school you're supposed to go to obviously I grew up in Liberty City

and for me I was upset it all worked out for me on the back end at the end my past was a little different I lived in Liberty City I grew up in the 40s Miami Northwestern is on 71st street It all worked out for me on the back end at the end. Right. My past was a little different. I lived in Liberty City. I grew up in the 40s. Miami Northwestern is on 71st Street.

Miami Jackson Senior High is on 36th Street. I'm supposed to be at Jackson, but Miami Northwestern was close enough for me to actually go there as well. My grandma, counselor and teacher at Nautilus Middle School on Miami Beach. It's time for high school. I'm hype. I'm thinking I'm getting ready to go. I'm going to go to school with my homeboys right here in the hood. Either I'm going to go to the West or I'm going to go to Jackson. It's time to go to high school. This woman, baby, I know you want to go to school with your fellas and your boys, but I got to keep an eye on you. And I really can't see you all the way from Miami Beach over here so I'm gonna make you go over here the Miami Beach senior high right down the street for me just in case there's an emergency ain't an

emergency and I'm gonna go I'm gonna go play football with my dog don't pay for Bob was but then in hindsight on the back end and said again lost in the wash of talent playing against them was that much better. Right. I mean, it hurt my feelings not to be able to play with the people I grew up with, but playing against a fan, that was one of the greatest feelings. Man, high school

was a dope experience. I wish I could experience it again. And now, Ocho, high school, they give out scholarships because a lot of these high schools that you know, it costs money to go there. Man, first of all, it costs money to go.

High school says when? Yeah. You talking about like IMG or something? I'm talking about like Valor, like in Colorado. Valor, that's where the McCaffrey brothers went. That's probably $25,000 a year. Whoa, right, right. Oh, yeah, that's probably $25,000, $25,000 a year. Whoa, come on, come on, man.

Come on, bring it back, bring it back, bring it back, bring it back. $25,000 a year? IMG Academy is like $60,000 a year. But, oh, scholarships take care of the funding? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Because my next question was like, well, where the hell they getting their goddamn money from? Okay. But a lot of parents,

a lot of people play to get their kids in there. Because the IMG Academy, you know, they got tennis. That's a rest your soul, Nick Boletarian. I've met him a couple of times and he wanted me to come down there. This Bishop Gorman, Cunningham,

DeMarco Murray, DTR, Ronnie Staley, Brevin Jordan, all went to that high school. OK, OK. Well, they got some dogs came out of there now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, you know, Ocho, a lot of times and I don't have a problem with that. Sometimes people will remove their kids to duck competition. move their kids to duck competition. I mean, I had a neighbor that he said that he was moving

because he wanted to move to a smaller town to give his kid a better opportunity to play. He said, because being in Atlanta, the competition is too great. Very high. That's a good thing, though. That's a good thing. I ain't ducking no competition. I ain't ducking no competition.

That's the air we in that, too, man. The fact that we have participation trophies yeah and we and we praising mediocrity yeah it's gonna be tough and all that all that reclassifying and holding your kid back so he can be a year older no no let me go let me go what what is meant to be gonna be be? Be, yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. And playing against better competition,

at some point you have no choice but to get better. But to get better, yeah. No choice but to get better. That's what helped me, Ocho. Think about it. I'm playing against my brother, three years older than me, my cousin, two years older than me. Yeah.

Most of them, like Arnell, was seven years older than me. Eugene, six years older. Robbie was eight years older, seven years older. Bernard was four years older. So I Eugene, six years older. Robbie was eight years older, seven years older. Bernard was four years older. So I ain't had no choice. I'm the youngest one. And them Jokers call it, you know what I'm saying? I'm the last one picked.

I'm trying to play basketball. Oh, travel. Oh, he walk. I'm like, God, bro, y'all do realize, man, I'm the youngest one out here. Ain't cutting no slack. At all. Hey, man, them Jokers tackling me, throwing me down.

Hey, but that's okay. Right. But when I got to school with kids my age? Yeah. They got no chance. No chance of tackling me. No chance of beating me in basketball. None of that.

That ain't going to happen. Ocho, I know you saw this. Demonte Kazee was suspended. The NFL brought the hammer down on Pittsburgh Steelers safety Demonte Kazee after his helmet helmet hit on Michael Pittman, Jumer and Steelers 30 to 13 loss on the road in week 15. The league announced it's suspending Kazee

for the rest of the 2023 season and possibly impossible playoff game should the 77 Steelers reach the postseason. I saw the hit. What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do? Especially with that throw. What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do as a defender?

I talked to you when Kareem Jackson got suspended for a second time. What are you supposed to do as a defender? I talked to you about the NFL and the competition committee obviously wanting to protect the players, but also handicapping the game and it becoming watered down. What are you supposed to do in that situation

outside of play two and hand touch? What do you do? I guess the NFL said, nah, we don't want you to hit him in that situation because if you hit him, we're going to drop the hammer on you because that's what they did.

What's going to happen when all the defensive players come together? What's going to happen when all the defensive players come together and every time someone is in a vulnerable position where they can get a flag, they actually just tap the player? Just tap the player.

Like, just two-hand touch on purpose. Just two-hand touch on purpose. That's what you might as well do. That's what it's going to come to. Yeah. Ocho, I think the thing is because the NFL has said, look, if there was ever

such a thing as a vulnerable position, he was in it. But I'm like, no. That was a throw too, man. That was a throw. So the quarterback hung him out to dry. Yeah.

And, you know, I understand the quarterback and our nature is that I'm trying to catch everything on you. I ain't gonna lie. Even though I know I'm gonna get leveled. triangle line. Even though I know I'm going to get leveled.

Every time. But I want to, I always want the quarterback to believe that he can throw it to me and good things are going to happen. And either I'm going to come down with it or it's going to hit the turn. But I'm not going to let it get intercepted. No. But that's a tough and I feel bad for Kazee

because it's not like the guy's making you know, it ain't like he made 30 million, 40 million not like the guy's making, you know, ain't like he made $30 million, $40 million. Right, right. And even before, I mean, you know, it's not like he got another six, seven years in the NFL, Ocho, either. Right. And so you're taking, you know, $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 paycheck from this man. Maybe more.

Yeah. Yeah. Come on, man. It's crazy. Ocho. What do you do? A piece of parlor cancels Tommy DeVito's appearance after

double appearance price. Tommy DeVito had a bad day on Sunday on and off the field. A piece of place in Morristown, New Jersey hired DeVito for a meet and greet. Took to Instagram to explain the abrupt cancellation.

Tommy DeVito will not be here this Tuesday as originally planned. After last week's win, we received word from his agent that the appearance fee would be doubling. It went from $10,000 to $20,000. That's right. We're a small family-run business and decided that $20,000 was a little too steep for two hours. The post came after the Giants lost $246 to the Saints. The restaurant added,

sorry about the loss today, Giants fan, but we're Italian and we don't like when someone says one thing and does another. Listen, Tommy DeVito is the quarterback for the New York. Football giant. Yes. Football giants. He is the face now of that franchise right now.

Yesterday's price is not today's price. Now, if he was still the backup. And that's a thousand dollars, that $10,000 appearance fee, I understand. Ocho. I get it. But they had a deal. They screenshotted text communication that said he had agreed to $10,000.

Was there a document? Was there a signed contract, a signed document? Ocho, that's what I'm telling you. There was text conversation that said, okay, we'll do it for $10,000. Oh, you just said text conversation. That ain't going to work in court.

That ain't going to work in court. Actually, it will. We need documentation. No, it's not just documentation, Ocho. I tell you what, Ocho, I tell you what you do. Tell me you're going to tell me you're going to give me $100,000 if this show takes off.

And then all of a sudden the show takes off and I don't give it to you. And I got tech. We got tech conversation that will absolutely hold up in court. I don't know. All I can say for Tommy DeVito is he is the quarterback for the New York football Giants. And yesterday's price is not today's price. So I have a better understanding on what he's doing and why he's doing it because the value

has increased because you are now the starter. Ocho, if you give some, Ocho, I get it. I know what you're saying though. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho. What an appearance fee for Shannon Sharpe in 2023 is different than it was in 2024.

But if I had agreed to it and the price in 2024 is going to be a difference in 2020 and 2023. Right. I've agreed to some appearances in 2024, but I signed them. I agreed to them in 2023. I gave them people. I gave them people my word. I said, okay, I will do it for that number. Now, think about it. Think about now we got,

this was before Nightcap. This was before I had the ESPN deal. This was before I was voted complex personality. Number one. I gave them people my word. I would do it for that.

Now, I could, man, hey, man, look at all of what I done got now. So the price. It goes up. Your value has increased. And that's okay. That's okay. My word is everything. If you ain't got your word, you ain't got nothing, Ocho.

Oh, your word. Oh, wait a minute. Because now I got you in the pickle. Because if your word is everything, I would have been on first take by now. I told you once I get in good, I ain't in good. It's been goddamn seven months.

Ocho, you do realize I'm on a date. I got days. I ain't got no year contract. I got days. Okay, we're going to work on a full-time contract. We're going to work on that. Let me know. Matter of fact, if the bosses come to you

or Steve and Nate come to you about doing full-time, make sure we have a package deal. What kind of package? A package shop? Nah, there ain't no package. La Portia and Cigar? Yeah yeah because if you if you going wait if you hiring me you got to bring Ocho with you uh you know Ocho you know

I was going to be a what you call him because you do not have you ever heard of a thing of a verbal contract right right right yeah it doesn't need everything right behind you right right yeah it doesn't need hold on I'm in my room everything doesn't need

to be on this mm-hmm mm-hmm you think them text messages will really hold up in the court of law hell yeah not saying it's going

to that magnitude but you think that'll really hold up absolutely absolutely do you know how many businesses have been split on a verbal contract

or text email? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. That's the first thing they say. Be careful. Anthony Edwards got himself into a situation. That's my dog.

He has a girlfriend. Yeah. And I guess another female and both of them is pregnant. And what happened? I think the girlfriend. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on, lad. Come back to me.

Come on back home, baby. Wait. He got a girlfriend. Okay. He got a girlfriend. Okay. Slow down for me. And a side piece. Okay a girlfriend. Okay. He got a girlfriend. Okay. Slow down for me. And a side piece.

Okay. Okay. Okay. If I'm not mistaken, if I'm correct, the girlfriend posted that she's pregnant. Okay. Anthony, I'm lost. I'm too old for this shit. What do you mean you lost?

Because you said he got a girlfriend and she's pregnant. You got real. Real post a girlfriend and she's pregnant. You got real. Real post on IG, she's pregnant. The next thing you know, the side piece you messing with, she posted, she's pregnant too. Oh, no, I don't like that. Okay, now you understand.

I don't even like that hypothetical. I don't like that. You know what? God. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Because, you know, you need to know. You need to know. Wish that goddamn know, you need to wish that. I don't wish that on you.

Devil, don't play. Don't do it. Baby, I know you in the chat, baby. Don't pay him no mind, honey. No. But now I'm with you now, though. I'm with you now. Anthony Edwards gave a statement today after a woman released screenshots

of texting showing him pressuring her to get an abortion. She also posted a screenshot of an alleged wire transfer of 100K. He said, he said, I made comments

in the heat of the moment that are not me and that I'm not aligned with. I believe who I am and who I want to be as a man. All women should be supported and empowered to make their own decisions

about their bodies and what is best for them. I'm handling my personal matters privately and will not be commenting on them any further at this time. Okay, hold on. Let me jot that down real quick. Yeah, because I like the wordplay

he used right there i like that word play yes uh okay ah i like that and so i'm i'm assuming this this young lady that is the the peace side um she purposely put everything out to put the pressure back on him because she had already made the decision up in her mind because if she was for him in understanding the situation that he was in even though he put himself in that situation yes

she sees the dollar signs I don't think I'm sure maybe he did understand brother Anthony Anthony Edwards that she was in it not for you but what you can do. You know, and she had an end goal. Most of them always have an end goal

and she reached that end goal. Anthony Edwards made a mistake. Anthony Edwards is young. We all make those mistakes. I think we're the best. I think you and I. You have to live with it. You got to live with this one.

Ocho, I think you and I are very very very well equipped because you and i both have kids from multiple women oh yeah very close proximity yeah and i'm not so sure had the situation had this been social social media back there right i'm not so sure they might not have put us on blast right but that's okay i don't have no problems. I have very few problems. My foundation is together. We all work as one unit. It's a good thing. But here's

the thing, and this is what I always tell guys. Be careful how you talk because everything is screenshotted. Everything is saved. And so the moment you make someone mad, it takes a special type of person not to damage the brand,

not to blow up the spot when they get upset. Now, she might come around and say, I'm sorry, but your damage is done. Yeah, yeah. The damage is done. Listen, it's the difference in understanding the individuals that you deal with or understanding the dynamic of the type of individual you're dealing with based on who they are and what they have going on.

If you're dealing with women, if you're, listen to me chat, stay with me, baby. that have something to lose, understand when things don't go their way and situations aren't beneficial and the opportunity that presents itself based on the end goal and the vision

that they have in mind, then everything turns for the worse. Yes. Because you're no longer the escape, not the scapegoat. What's the word I'm looking for?

What's the word I'm looking for, Chad? Come on, search, search, search, search, search. The opportunity is gone. Right. You don't want to lose your gold, man. No, no. What you want to say, you the meal ticket. Oh, goddammit, there you go. Boy, I'm glad. Boy, you pulled it right off my, I couldn't

even get it. You pulled it right off my tongue. But yeah, it's important. I preach it every blue moon. Assets and liabilities. Assets and liabilities. Assets and liabilities. Based on who you're dealing with, you know if it's somebody you should take serious or somebody for fun.

Okay, you know what? Understand what you're dealing with before you even talk to her. Right. That's for fun. Enjoy your fun in a respectful way. And that's okay. There's nothing wrong with that.

Okay, based on what she got going on, oh yeah, we can take this serious. This is serious. enjoy your fun in a respectful way and that's okay there's nothing wrong with that okay based on what she got going on oh yeah we could take we could take this serious this is serious this is something i can build i i just hate i just hate that because no matter what you keep the child you do what you like you said it's her decision yeah always yeah but at the end of the day this should have been handled between you and aunt. If you chose to keep it, that's between you and Anne. You chose to do what you wanted to do, that's between you and Anne. The world should know about this because you got upset. Because it was never about Anne in the first place.

You know that. It was never about Anne in the first place. If it was based on what Anne has going on, then the rest of the world wouldn't even know about it. I agree. We wouldn't know about it. No. No. But you know, feelings got involved. You know, because... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Ain't no feelings. You know what time it is. Understand the play. The game is the game. The game has always been the game. The game hasn't changed ever. It always been that. You know what the end goal is. You understand the dynamic of the type of women you're dealing with, and you know what the end goal is You understand the dynamic Of the type of women

You're dealing with And you know what the end goal is At the end of the day You live with that Because you know it You got to play the game The right way It's chess

It's not checkers The game hasn't changed And it never has It will always be the same Certain types Deal with certain type of men For the opportunity and the chance at

if you mess up and you get pregnant, they said I'm good. And what's the first thing they do? They expose you. They put you on blast. Now the money. That's what it comes. That's the end goal at the end of the day. Always is.

We come out with the sob stories. Oh, my God. Like, stop. You know what it is. It's okay. It's okay. I just feel, you know, I just, hey, Ant, just keep your head up. It is going to be.

The sun's going to come up tomorrow. You're still going to be Anthony Edwards. You're still going to be called Ant-Man. Just go out there and play your game. Hey, bro, we human. We human. Yeah. Yeah, we all make mistakes. man just go out there and play your game it doesn't you hey bro we human we real deal yeah yeah we all make mistakes and i'd have been in a very similar situation yeah they make mistakes though them angels them blessings i'm talking about him i'm talking about him not protecting

himself yeah yeah yeah too but i'm just saying in general based on how you might see it or based how based on how um people the chat or people in the world might see it. Oh, you got this so-and-so. Fuck that. Fuck that part. That part's done. I'm talking about that little one. I'm talking about that little angel

that's on the way. That's a blessing. Right. That's a blessing. That's a whole new chapter. I like that part. But here's the thing, though, Ocho. Once you screenshot it there,

that's there forever. Now, somebody's going to come back and and show that your daddy didn't even want you see you gotta think long term everybody thinks just right now instantaneous but I'm telling you

how you got to think this is a child everything is now saved on the internet for perpetuity right so you have to think this is a child. Everything is now saved on the internet for perpetuity. Right. So you have to be mindful of what you say, how you say it, because at the end of the day, you think you might be talking to that individual.

The little ears going to see them. Little ears going to hear the little eyes going to see. Then what? Yeah. You know, I ain't telling you. I ain't telling you something somebody told me i'm telling you what i know no yeah you know it's important you know it's important too especially for those when you get a little money and you want to leave off the front porch you know i i think one of the most important things that we can do and one of the most important things that we should do and this is for athletes coming up

those that that might make it to the nba or might make it to the NFL, I think it would behoove you to always get serious with someone that was there in your corner, in your corner before you made it. In your corner before you made it. I think that's very important. I think that's very imperative because those that you meet, once you've already made it in general i'm not sure they have your best interest at heart i i i just don't think so i i i don't think so no matter how much you may think they do those that were in your corner when you have when you had a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of. Yeah. That's who I think athletes, NBA players, entertainers should deal with and marry and want to build an empire and foundation with.

That's what I think. But here's the thing. How many times have we seen this story? We see it often, Ocho. But you know what I tell people? I mean, you think the Moth wants to go to the flame? He can't help what he's attracted to, even though it's going to end up killing him. Say that again.

He likes what he likes. He cannot help it. He cannot control it. Where you be getting this shit from? Say that one more time about that moth. Come on, nigga. Bring that back to me. Do you actually think the moth really wants on, nigga. Bring that back to me. Do you actually think the moth really wants to go to the flame? I think the moth. He cannot help himself.

Individuals, they like what they like. You see, Ocho, I mean, just like, I don't know, like for me, I wanted a Rolex.

I wanted a Ferrari because that was a symbolism that I had made it. Yeah. Okay, some people want to get the girl that they never would have had an opportunity to get. That's a good one. I want to get the big house.

That's a big house that I would never been had an opportunity to get. Well, I want to get the car. I can't help it. Yeah. I like what you like. I have a question. Even understanding, knowing what you like and liking what you like. I have a question. Even understanding, knowing what you like and liking what you like, and once you get the money and knowing you have access to what most would view as better, would be prettier, you know, is there an understanding as well and understanding of these individuals that you're going to and you're able to have access to and attain?

Is there a great understanding and knowing that they are not with you for you, but what you can do? Do they know that? I'm just asking. Does common sense set in and understand the game? I don't want to. I don't want to generalize or stereotype and say everybody is like that because I'm a firm believer and we tied this conversation, Ocho. Well, we've been in this lifestyle way too long now.

Don't you do that to me. Come on now. Yes. So, you believe real with you? Because of who you are and what you have? Real. Well, that's the hard one.

This motherfucker... Ooh, we're almost cursed again. Excuse me. Excuse my language. This motherfucker making more than me right now. So, that can't be the goddamn case. But what you have already made.

You've already got a nice little bankroll. You said no, no, Ocho. Come on case. But what you have already made, you've already got a nice little bankroll you said. No, no, Joe. Come on now. I got nice little nest egg now. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, but go ahead.

But you know what? I just, like I said, I want what's best for Ant-Man. He'll get over this. I mean, you're embarrassed. The biggest thing is the embarrassment that you feel right now. Right. Because what we say, you got caught with your pants down.

Yeah. Because nobody knows unless it comes to the light. And she brought it to the light. Why? Yeah. Because she's upset with you and because your girlfriend and she's like, oh, what about me?

And she wants you to hurt like you hurt her. Yeah. You know what? And you think about it. I mean, the situation is not... He can't lose his job over this. But you think about

dealing with people that have something to lose and people that have nothing to lose and people that have nothing to lose. Yeah. Will ruin everything for those that do. Yep. Sometimes. They'll burn your whole empire down because they're upset and they don't think logically.

They're stuck in the now and not the long term effect of, well, you know, if I hit sin, it could affect a whole lot of people. People don't think about that. You know some people will sink your boat just because you won't let them drive it. Oh, shit. Oh, man. I'm in the middle of the ocean, and you won't sink

the whole thing because I won't let you drive. And we all drown. We all perish. You willing to do that? I just... I just... For me, personally, I just believe there's a better way to handle every situation.

No matter what it is, everything doesn't have to go through the public. So why couldn't you go to him? Okay, I'm going to keep the child. But this is the funny thing. Sometimes, sometimes it's women, and I can be on their side. They can have a viewpoint on something, and the man could be forcing the issue, and they really can't get through to him and getting him to understand,

well, I'm giving you the hint on what I really want to do. Yeah. Don't piss me off. Now, if I can't get through to you, well, I'm going to get through to you this way and put everybody else in our business. And that's the way to get your attention. Right. But on the back end, maybe not in this situation, it ends up hurting most in the long run or sometimes in the short term because certain things like that can ruin opportunities it can ruin chances it can ruin the relationship at the beginning and

eventually you know when you're young and somebody do some stuff like that you like forget you and and that child yeah yeah and so but the thing is and hopefully as he matures and like i said he grows up and he understands, that's my offspring. And I want what's best for him or her. I want a healthy child, and I'm going to love that child, even though the child was not conceived or born under ideal circumstances. It's here now. My job is to love, cherish, and to make sure it's protected and have the best of what I can provide. Yeah.

Listen, the funny thing about it, everybody love you. Everybody love you when opportunity presents itself and it's convenient and it's beneficial. And I had this wonderful saying from a dude on Twitter, man,

Trill AC, he always said, loyalty, loyalty. Loyalty. Loyalty is nothing but a word in a dictionary. Loyalty is nothing but a word in a dictionary between opportunity

and convenience. As long as there's opportunity and it's convenience, oh, we all loyal. I'm loyal. We all loyal when it's beneficial. But the minute it's not oh we all loyal oh we we all loyal when it's beneficial but the minute it's not beneficial shit well you know how many women behave themselves based on the individuals that

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If TV were to limit this great duo, don't do it. We definitely thought about that. And so we're definitely going to be who we are. Unculture J said, Unc and Ocho, what are some of the things people don't think you like, but you actually do? Movies, TV shows, music, food, et cetera. Also, Ocho tried out this new game called The Finals. I think you would enjoy it.

The Finals. Okay. Okay. Hey, that's a good question about things that I would like that people would know. I think my taste in music, my taste in the arts. Sucks. No, no, no, listen, my taste in the arts. I know the chat, anybody in the chat know about Alvin Ailey.

I love dance. Dance, yeah, the Alvin Ailey theater. I love Alvin Ailey theater. Obviously my favorite piece from Alvin Ailey, Revelations. I can do Revelations on my well obviously you know I have a background in ballet and dance anyway but that's that's that's neither here nor there but yo miss Judith Jamison and Mr. Robert Battle I have been a fan of Ailey since 1988 I was able to see Alvin Ailey at the Gussman Theater in Miami in 1988, my grandma forced me to go.

Why are you making me go watch dance? I don't want to go see no dance. I don't want to go see it. Nah, that kind of dance anyway. No, absolutely. In 88, do you know how young I was? I am not, come on, man. What, she took me to see Alvin Ailey

at the Gussman Theater in 88, man. Oh my fucking God. You hooked? You hooked? Hooked. When I just told you I can do every piece of Revelations by heart, man, love them to death. My musical choice. They hate me when I was playing with the Bengals.

Whoever gets to the stadium first gets to the speaker and has a surround sound, gets to play what they want to play because you're first and obviously seniority rules based on how long you've been there. You walk in there, one day I'm playing Sinatra, one day I'm playing Andrea Pacelli, playing goddamn, one day I'm playing jazz, one day I'm playing Beethoven. They hated that because I got ready for football games in a different way. I couldn't listen to rap. because I got ready for football games in a different way. I couldn't listen to rap.

I needed to be very calm because I talk shit all goddamn week. Now I got to go out there and back it up. And the last thing I need to be is rah, rah, rah, rah, rah. Oh, no. Oh, no. Shit, boy.

Yeah. What's your favorite TV show? Oh, Sanford and Son, Good Times, Martin, Cosby Show, especially Cosby Show, the episode when Blasio Domingo was on there. I don't know if you remember any saying Bessie Mamucho to Claire Huxtable. Yeah.

Chad, if you see that, just go to YouTube and watch that part. Blasio Domingo sings Bessie Mamucho de Claire Huxtable and Columbo. If you look at, you notice on my Twitter, my Twitter, Avi, is a picture of Columbo. Yeah. But with my face,

Columbo is my favorite, favorite TV series of all time. Favorite. Well, I mean, obviously I liked All the Good. That was when all the All in the Family and the Jeffersons and the Good Times,

all those great shows. I forgot Jeffersons. Forgot Jeffersons and the good times, all those great shows. I forgot Jeffersons. If I go, I mean, I love Ozark, Snowfall, Lincoln Lawyer. I love the Lincoln Lawyer, Snowfall. I'm watching this right now. I think it's called The Family on BET. It's good.

Man, Sasha in Paris. Yeah. Wait, The Family? Is this a family-oriented type show? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Ernie Hudson. Who is it? Ernie Hudson, Tammy Rowan,

Lisa Rae just came on, Michael J. White. I mean white i mean man look i only watch it when i go when i go see hey tasha i know you watch it when i go get my nails done at tasha's and so she told me i can't watch it i can't watch it at home so i only watch it so it's gonna take me probably like three years to watch watch a season because i only watch it for the hour and a half that i bear. But it's a great show. I really like that show. But I really don't watch

a whole lot of TV, Ocho. If it's not sports, I don't really watch it if it's not sports. Oh, man. You got to get into it. I didn't... Listen, when the pandemic hit,

when the pandemic hit, I used Twitter to get a little bit more well-cultured with some things that I hadn't seen. I'm not going to say a lot to you. I saw The Wire when the pandemic hit. I sat there and beans watched The Wire

and tweeted throughout the whole Wire, me not realizing, why the fuck is everybody got them clothes so baggy? This shit was filmed way back in the day when I was playing. Yes. And I never saw it until the pandemic hit. I used Twitter. What's some good things I could have watched? Ozark.

Ozark was phenomenal. Ruth Langmore and Darlene. Ruth was the real deal, boy. Ruth Langmore and Darlene. What about Queen of the South? Did you watch Queen of the South? Did you watch Queen of the South? I did.

Queen of the South was good. That's another one. What else I saw on Netflix? I've watched a little bit. I got into a little bit of Queen Charlotte, too. Oh, Queen Charlotte. I ain't never heard that one. Yeah.

Queen Charlotte. Hey, did you see Beef? You saw Beef? I didn't. I didn't. Well, you got to see Beef. It's funny. A little comedic, you know, a little fun.

Yeah. Hey, Beef is really good. Very, very, very good. Very funny. Very funny. I'm just trying, I'm trying to think what else. Good times,

all in the family. Hey, you remember the All in the Family episode with Sammy Davis Jr.? I do. Because, you know, Norman Lear. The stuff they used to say back then?

Oh, yeah. You cannot get away with now. They say the N-I-G-G-E-R. The hard. Hard. Yeah. They call you the honk and the cracker. They call you all that.

Everything. And we didn't know any better. But the times have bothered. They don't say that anymore. They used to say Negro on television. Or Spick. They say Spick. Yeah, they say all that stuff.

Crazy stuff. But Ocho, here's the thing. You know, all that really spun off of All in the Family. When you look at the Jeffersons and you look at Good Times, because Florida Evans was a maid on All in the Family. You got Good Times. She was? Normally it started there.

Maude, Bea Arthur, Maude, yep, all that. Normally, it started at Maude, B. Arthur, Maude. Yep. All that. Okay. I didn't know that. I never saw Mr. Estorol on. I didn't know that. Okay.

Okay. Jared Gaither asks, Uncle Nocho and Family Feud, which family members are you choosing and who to win? Love the show, fellas. And that's a good one Family Feud you know you know it's not fair what

my mama not here right my grandma not here man you not taking them on there I'm just saying if they were here you know rest in peace those are the type of people

that I would need on Family Feud my grandma smart oh she sharp she sharp she sharp she number two you know what man they asking the top they asking these questions about today's time man I would need on Family Feud. My grandma's smart. Oh, she's sharp. She's sharp. She's sharp. Oh, Joe, you know what, man? They're asking the top bitch

asking these questions about today's time, man. Granny ain't gonna be asking them questions. I ain't even thinking about taking my granny and mama on there. No? Who you gonna take?

If my sister wants to go, I'll take her, but she probably ain't gonna... I know my kids gonna wanna go. I'll take her, but she probably ain't gonna want to go. I know my kids gonna want to go. I know the kids gonna want to go. That can't crack under pressure. I know my kids gonna want to go. I'm gonna take my three kids,

so I only got one person left. My brother ain't gonna want to go. You know who I'm gonna take? I'm gonna take my cousin. I'm gonna take Mud. I'm gonna take Simeon. I'm trying to go. You know who I'm going to take? I'm going to take my cousin. I'm going to take Mud. I'm going to take Simeon. I'm trying to think.

You know, okay. Now, let me get deep into my family. I'm thinking people on Family Feud, family members of mine that have great critical thinking skills in precious situations. Yes. I have a cousin. A cousin.

Lisa Dingle. I know Lisa's going to see this. She's a teacher. Lisa's very smart. Brilliant mind. She's going with me. That's one. Real.

You got to take real. Real. Brilliant mind. Very smart. Very smart. Teaching me a few things because I thought I knew it all. I need two more. I'm taking my little brother Chauncey. Chauncey, I know you're watching this baby.

I love you. I'm taking my little brother Chauncey. The kid's going to be mad. Nah. Wait, wait. Oh, you know one of my kids is going. I know which one is going to go though. Yeah, but the other one is going to be mad.

They're not going to be mad because they're not going to be able to do it. They're not going to be able to do it in that type of pressure situation and having the critical thinking skills to be able to answer on cue very fast like that my oldest daughter is a chiro okay

that's her thing that's her thing we asked 100 people the top 5 answers on the board man they be coming up I don't know what you I think I might get you. In what?

Family Feud. Oh, no, boy. That's what I do. Jeopardy and Family Feud? Boy, stop playing that. You damn boy, you know good well you not about to beat me in no Jeopardy. Who you? Boy, I used to sit there while I'm Jeopardy with my grandma every day.

Ocho, I actually went on Jeopardy and won. Yeah, but, you know, they cheated. Yeah, I actually went on Jeopardy and won. Yeah, but you know, they cheated. Yeah, I actually went on Jeopardy. They gave you the answers ahead of time. They don't give you no answers. Here's the thing, though, Ocho. You can't ring in because if you ring in before he finishes answering the question, it locks you out. It locks you out? Oh, for real?

Yeah. Okay. That's a good one. I like that. I like that. TJ Ellsworth asks, what's the best take you've heard from another analyst on either of your show or shows? Ocho, I don't know about you, but I don't really listen

to anybody else take. I listen to all y'all. I listen to all y'all. I do. I like hearing what you say. I like hearing what Stephen A. The funny thing, this is what I like about it. Everybody take is different. Yeah. hearing what you say. I like hearing what Stephen A. The funny thing, this is what I like about it.

Everybody's take is different. Yeah. Everybody's take is different. The delivery might be the same, but the way it's said. The way it's said is completely different. But everybody's saying the same thing at times. Now, I think the person with the worst takes, I love him to death. I love him to death.

That's my guy. But LaShawn McCoy. with the worst takes. I love him to death. I love him to death. That's my guy. But, LaShawn McCoy, LaShawn, hey, but LaShawn funny, boy. LaShawn is so funny

and he be dead ass serious, but he gonna go all the way opposite of everybody else every goddamn time. But he funny, man. Hey,

he is funny. I listen to Richard Sherman. I listen to Skip. I listen to Orlovsky listen to Skip I listen to Orlovsky Ryan Clark Swagoo I like Swagoo

Swagoo Swagoo nice with it boy he nice with it I ain't gonna lie I don't listen to anybody when I come when I come into the room everybody

there's no sound on when I go to work ain't no sound on when I go into the green room ain't no sound on when I'm home ain't no sound on right I don'm home, ain't no sound on. I don't hear what anybody says. I don't know what they say.

Whatever you say, your first thought is always exactly how you feel based on what you've seen. Based on what I see. Nobody's going to influence me or change. I might agree. I might disagree. We might be close. Like you said, we might be close in a lot of what we say. Maybe my wording and how

i get to my point is different but i don't i don't really listen to anybody now yeah having been at espn and having met the guys and having gone up against it you know ryan uh rc and do uh i've been on once with swagoo uh, P-Mac, Pat McAfee, Saturday, Jeff Saturday. But as far as like listening to what anybody else has to say, I don't. Yeah, that's a good one.

I want my thoughts to be original. Right. Red line one G says, oh, I'm curious, where you get that necklace from? It's a, you stay dripped out. Well, what that is, boy? What necklace you talking about?

I ain't got no necklace on, man. Let me, let me see that. I look like, look at, I saw some ruby. I saw some rubies. And a little gem, a little gemstone, a little something, you know.

Hey, boy, you can't, you can't have money, boy. That's one thing about it. When it's coming in, you can't hide it, boy. I see you, though. Hey, you look good, now. You know, uh,

this is the only thing, I mean, this, this and this watch was the only thing I had on when my house got broken into and got robbed of all my stuff. Hey, but you had insurance, though, right? Yeah, for sure.

Okay, okay, okay. Ocho, but you know what? It's not about the insurance. I hate that, man. It's the violation of somebody coming and taking your, you know, ish. And you know what happened?

See, you don't move like that And you know what happened? See, you don't move like that. But when it comes to rappers or entertainers or athletes that always have entourages, whenever somebody's house or some type of place

that gets broken into, it's always somebody in your camp. It's always the people closest to you that do it. But with you, that's a different, because you don't move like that.

I don't move that. You had cameras. I didn't move that. You had cameras... I didn't have nobody. I mean, time is right. Time ain't no better than my house. Yeah, did they catch who did it? Nah, they said there was some gang that's going around. Oh, so it's...

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I know what you mean. And a lot of... There are several houses in this area that had gotten broken into. Right. It is what it is. What else we got?

Unc and Ocho Winfrey. How do you stop being promiscuous broken into. So it is what it is. Uh, what else we got? Oh, get Ocho Winfrey. How do you stop being promiscuous and focus on building meaningful relationships? I've ended several relationships with a woman who were wife material. And how do I work on it? Love y'all. Let me,

I hope y'all can ask, ask, answer the question. he chooses but for me and being where i am in life now it's tough to trust man it really is it really is and the vetting process that i could have gone through or i should have gone through, uh, when I was in college or my first couple of years in the league before I became what I later became. It's hard,

man. It's hard. It's, it's, and everybody, and, and, and even,

even when things are at their best, when someone gets mad at you, they'll turn. And they'll do things that you like, I never thought, if somebody, I'd have put everything I own that you'd have never did this to me.

So, when someone said, oh, I wouldn't do that, I'm Ocho, I've been done saying what a person will or won't do. Because you have no idea under circumstances what a person will or won't do. Because you have no idea under circumstances what a person will or won't do. You don't. Yeah, you don't. You don't.

You never know. You never know. And that's the scary part. That's the scary part. Because human nature, human nature is unpredictable. Yes. Human nature is unpredictable. I don't care how much someone says they love you.

Yes. Human error, unpredictable. I don't care how much someone says they love you. Yes. Human error. Stay with me now. Human error is inevitable. I don't care how much someone says they love you. Yeah. It doesn't matter. We all make mistakes.

Yeah. We all do. And, and when someone gets, you get married, you could be married with that person five or six years. Yeah. Divorce isce is the worst thing because the woman

gets half your money and take all the hoo-ha. That is a good trade-off, Ojo. It ain't. That's why you think I ain't saying that. You ain't saying that, Frida? Real, get him to sign it.

No, I ain't saying nothing. Sign it, Ojo. If at any point she may decide, you know what, baby? I don't love you no more. I don't feel the same way I did about you six, seven years ago. Well, you know what? If you leave, you got to pay me to

leave. I need hair. I need hair. And I want, I want the baby. The baby stand with me. Oh, man. You see, you just tried to hurt now. You just tried to hurt me. I ain't trying to hurt. I ain't trying to hurt. Why she can't take the baby, Ocho? No, because I, I, I, that's, Ojo? No, because that's my responsibility. That's my responsibility. Because I also want spousal support. Spousal support.

So I want the baby with me. So you want child support too? Oh, yeah. You want alimony and child support? Yeah. Man, the lifestyle that she has provided and the comfortable lifestyle that I get to live now because I have someone, you know, that's doing better than me.

I'm enjoying this and I don't want to lose that lifestyle. I mean, they do it to us. They do it to us all the time. Wow. Wow, Cookie said, Uncle Nocho, yesterday I let my 16-year-old Bishan Luna go take her rest. She was so special. I'm heartbroken. Bro, you ain't got to tell me.

You ain't got to tell me nothing about putting dogs down. Wait, what kind of dog? Bishan Prezay. Oh, man. Beautiful white. Beautiful white. Yes. Beautiful white.

Damn. But you cutting up with Coach Prime last night made me laugh through my tears thanks Luna slept in my bed no questions asked look here like I said I tell this one of my favorites quotes don't do it because you're going to have me crying again

you had me crying last time you talked about them dogs don't do that Oscar Romero once said he said some things can only be seen through the eyes that have cried. Sometimes a person can cry and you don't understand until those very tears have been

in your eyes for a very similar reason. So when he said some things can only be seen through the eyes of Christ. Cesar Romero, nah, Cesar Romero he's the he was a he was a archbishop

I think it's it's Caesar Romero he's an archbishop oh I need some tissue you fucked me up real quick, boy. Hold on, I need some tissue for real, man.

Y'all messing up my goddamn mascara, man. Oscar Romero? I thought so, yeah. He's an Archbishop, right? Central America. Mm-hmm. Cesar Romero was the guy that played the Joker in the original Batman.

Oh. OG Ocho, you remember how do you do stop number 85? I borrowed that in high school. How do you stop number four? And mom wrote it on her card. The opposing team seen it and I felt some type of way. I told her, you know what up. Mom put you out there.

I mean, you're doing all that talking. She said, I want to see what you bought. What happened? I missed that one. I missed that. I had to wipe my tears real quick. He said, OG Ocho, you remember how you do the stop 85? Yeah.

I borrowed that in high school. How do you stop number four? And my mom wrote it on her car. The opposing team seen it. I felt some in high school. How do you start number four? And my mom wrote it on her car. The opposing team seen it. I felt some type of way. I toured they, you, he said, I toured they, you know what? Oh, so he backed it up.

He backed it up. There we go. That's all it come down to. If you, if you talk, you got to walk it every time. G firm says, what'd they do? Oh, Joe, I'm from the city.

79th and 14th. What's up, what? What they do, home team? Wanted to ask if you ever made amends with Ray Buchanan. Make amends for what? I don't mean Ray Buchanan. He the real deal. I love Ray.

You played against Ray. Y'all had problems on the field? Look, in the second Super Bowl, you know, Ray, you have to understand, Ray was at Indy. So they ain't won jack. So this is the first time that he's been in the media. This is the

first time that, you know, he's going to get some attention. So ain't nobody thinking about Ray. Everybody, we the overwhelming favorite. I mean, we had just snapped the NFC's 14 year reign so the previous 14 Super Bowls the NFC won and they weren't close with the exception of the 90 Super Bowl in which the Giants I think the Giants won 2019 all the rest of them been blowout 55 10 4510, 45-10, 35-10. You know, Cowboys won 55-19 and all. So the game weren't close.

We beat Green Bay 31-24. We're coming back. Repeat. About to make history because, you know, Mike told us, if you want to be remembered, you got to go back to back. We got to do this thing back to back. So that was on our mind. And, you know, he started popping off, you know, getting a little, you know,

he came out there with a dog collar. Talking about they the underdog. The best thing happened to them, I got hurt. Because had I not got hurt, I was going to be the MVP. I was going to tell you. You were going to get a boy in that business? Because we had played them the year before. I went for like five for a buck ten on the tub.

Right. Man, we were going to do a number on them because we already knew they was gonna gear up to start td and so we're gonna have to throw the football john ended up winning mvp rod smith had an 80 yard touchdown i mean yeah we we're gonna do a number on him but i ain't got no problem with ray uh i talked to him i haven't i don't know where he is now. He was in Atlanta a couple of years, you know, after that's happened and he and I, we had a conversation,

but we, I ain't got no beat. Right. Michael Rubin, Robin says, Oh, Joe, how did you become the goat route runner?

He didn't. Yeah, that's a good, that's a good question. That's a good question, man. Working on work, working on, working on my craft. You know what's funny?

Who doesn't get the credit? And I'm so glad I can say this. For those in the chat, the people that might not know, I know there are many football players in here that are watching. The person responsible for my success, and I'm going to say with my rock running,

that helped me out, started in 1997, Charles Collins. If you don't know who Charles Collins is, we started something called Phenom Factory back in the day, back in L.A. When I was in L.A., I lived, you know, obviously back, I lived in the jungles in the third building right off Coliseum across from Dorsey. Charles Collins is responsible for my route running. He gave me a formula. He gave me a formula with the cones and the ladders. And I took that formula.

And I didn't just work when we had to work and we had to train. Man, I did it over and over and over and over until it became muscle memory. It became routine. Not only did it become routine, it became a habit and such a habit where I was telling people my route right before the snap of the ball in confidence knowing that I would still be

able to get open because they probably thought I was lying anyway. They probably thought I was lying anyway. So it was a mind game. It was a mental game, mental gymnastics, like I call it. And it worked every time Thought my feet Had a mind of their own

Sometimes I didn't even know It was wrong I thought they had A mind of their own And it was I don't know It was crazy

But I honed that craft For years For it to even look Like it did Once I got To the pinnacle Which I call the NFL That was a lot of work man Shit Now that I think about it It is of the nfl right that was a lot of work man shit not that thing

it is of course oh my god that's a lot of you know they say to become great at something you have to do it for 10 000 hours yeah but you can't stop doing it once you master the craft that's your art you know you know what happened now when the engine the engine get a little old now that thing don't run like it used to now. You get a little old and beat up. Ocho, but see,

that's why you probably was able to play as long as you did play. Because what got me through Ocho is that I understood that my athleticism was going to wane.

Yeah. My technique, I wasn't going to be able to be fast. I wasn't going to be able to outrun everybody. I wasn't going to be as strong as everybody.

But if I was technically sound, that's going to... How do you think Brady, how do you think Manning played all these years when they didn't have the athletic? Because they never relied on athleticism. Yes, I did rely on some athleticism, but I was

technically sound. Dropped the hips in and out. If I'm running the seven route, I'm going to give you two steps. I'm going to give you two, three steps to the pole. And I'm going to move. Every time.

And then you're going to be right there. And then I'm going right here to the seven. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. There are little things that you do

that you get great at and it becomes second nature. Yeah. And you can do it. You can do it in your sleep. Ryan Logan asks, Hey, I'm an aspiring sports analyst journalist.

I just want to know any advice you guys would have in pursuing this career between the love between, uh, between, I love the pod. Um, look, I'm not a journalist.

I don't have a journalist, journalistic background. So I can't tell you if you were to go that route. All I can tell you is this, look. If you believe it, and you got facts to back it up, say it. Yeah. It's really that simple.

It's really that simple. And I really can't answer the question on being an analyst, because I have a problem. I love every goddamn body. I'm too fucking nice. It's hard for me to be critical. So right now the question on being an analyst because I have a problem. I love every goddamn body. I'm too fucking nice. It's hard for me to be critical. So right now I'm not an analyst.

I'm just, I don't even know what you call it. I don't even know the word to call it. It's just, I'm so close. You my homeboy. Yeah. I don't, I think the issue with me is. You get at it. You get better at it.

You know what I think my problem is I think the problem is Is I'm not Far enough removed from the game And I'm so close and still Bro you a decade Yeah but I'm still I'm still engulfed and submerged Know what you are

When you see them guys You like when them guys Dapping you up And I ain't No no no They gonna let me regardless Because it's me I'm just I'm a loving person Not when you critique their ass Like I do Huh guys dapping you up. No, no, no. They're going to let me regardless because it's me.

I'm a loving person. Not when you critique their ass like I do. Huh? Not when you critique their ass like I do. They ain't going to say nothing because it's me. They ain't going to say nothing because it's me. No, no, no. Ocho. Because there's an understanding on the way I do critique.

But when you critique. You're not critical. Boy, you be mean, boy. No, I do. Don't you be mean. Listen, if I was playing today, if I was playing today and you said some of that, the way you deliver, even though you're being critical and it's your job, it's your job to do that, I ain't going to say nothing.

But when I see you, I'm going to go upside your head. That's how I went. I'm just saying. That's how I went. No. That's how I went. I'm just saying. That's how I went. No, I'm just like, hey, Ocho, you need to be better. You say you're a top five receiver, and what you gave us today ain't top five. What you gave us today ain't top 15. Right, right, right.

But sometimes in order to be a receiver, you need 10 others to be able to be top 5 consistently you didn't say I was top 5 contingent on those other 10 that's not what you said that's a good one I like how you be in detail I like how you be in detail I love how people say I'm this

and I'm that and the minute they're not that they say well it's a team game well you didn't mention it was a team game when you was bragging about yourself. Right. Right. That's very difficult, though. You know, Prime told you, you know,

on how difficult, and I told you before, too, and I was gracious in saying that's something very difficult for me to do. And Prime said it last night, oh, Chad, that motherfucking ain't finna talk about nobody. No, I'd never have. Ever.

You know why? You know why? Because here's the thing. The greater the player, the harsher the criticism stings. So you are a great player, so the criticism's gonna sting sting i was a great player i'm in the hall it's going to sting a little more so they can't use see they can't use well you

didn't do it when you played you got pro bowls and all pro to back it up i got pro bowls super bowls gold jacket to back it up so now what's their critique right so what are they gonna say i don't know what I'm talking about. What did you win? How are you as a player? You better check that all decade team. Yeah. Shit.

I'm on that. There it is. So see, and that's the thing. That's what time. And now we talk about, like I said, time and I used to talk all the time.

He say, he say, he say, Oh, you don't understand. Look at who the criticism is coming from you're not just some joe blow yeah if you joe blow they can blow that off well you don't know what he's talking about right and you know the the good thing i do like is the players that are being criticized understand you're being criticized because we hold you to a different standard based on who you are

based on who you are that's letting you know you are that boy. You just not playing up to the standards that we're used to seeing. That's all. Uncle Shea, been watching you for years. I grew up watching Ocho tear up the field.

Question for you, legend. I have a small YouTube channel, 8,000 subs, reviewing tech. What advice do you have to grow my brand and channel? Authenticity. Be who you are.

Hey, you got to do something though. Listen to me this is you gotta do something though listen to me you gotta do something to command the eye I don't know what it is you gotta do something to command the eye don't do nothing crazy

don't do nothing crazy but you gotta do something different to command the eye that's it once you do whatever it is different to command the eye boom

it goes from there getting them is the easy part keeping them is the hard part yeah Once you do whatever it is different to command the eye, boom, it goes from there. Getting them is the easy part. Keeping them is the hard part. Yeah, yeah. Because people are trying. It's got to be interesting. And you're never going to get a second chance to make a first impression. So whatever you do, whatever you roll out, whatever you roll out, let it be the best and i'd rather be delayed in delivering something as opposed to be

rushed because you're not going to get those you're not going to get those people back right and say man this is this was some bull jive or the food didn't taste good that's not they're not going to come back so it was very unique in what we did when we started this channel, but we were all authentic selves. This is, this is who we are. Yeah. So bro, just keep plugging away.

A, just, just be true to who you are, whatever your brand is. I don't know what your brand is. I think everybody knew my brand is disciplined. My brand is hard work. My,

my brand is, is dedication, determination. I like to think I'm professional. And whatever your brand is, that needs to be your brand all the time. My brand is

shit. Love. I love you. You know, I joke, but I can get serious based on what the topic is at hand. And the only problem I have with my brand is I curse too damn much. That's it. Jordan B. asks,

which Jordan sneaker is the best Jordan all time? The one or the 11? The ones, of course. The ones. The 11 has actually taken over as the most popular Jordan. I got a little something here for y'all. What's that? I don't know. Oh, that's the

Pat Leather joint. That's the OG. Yeah, all you need, you need a New Orleans Saint jersey with that. Yeah. Man, but here's the thing. And let me tell you why the Levin's went out. Because when Jordan came out with that Concord,

that Concord, you remember that black and white Concord? And then he came with the breads. And then he came with the cool grays. Yeah. Even the arctics. Ain't nothing touching that. Yeah. I mean, I love the OGs.

You know, the original OGs, the black, white, and red, the brands, the OG ones. Ain't nothing much with them levels now. Funny thing, I don't have no Jordans outside of Jordan 1s. That's it. That's it. All the basic colors. I don't have nothing else except Jordan 1s. I like the 3s, too.

I rarely wear them. And you know I hoop in my 1s, right? Yeah, you should. I hoop in my 1s. I don't like support. And people are like, man, what you doing? You ain't got no ankle braces. I need to feel the floor.

I'm weird. It's weird. I need to feel the floor. You are weird. If I can't feel the floor it it feel like i i it's it's when i play right you know you know you know you heard me yeah i heard you i was a rebar and the rebar made my shoes back then i made rebar take all the lining out my shoe i ain't want no support so all it was was a cleat, the shell, and some shoelaces.

So it felt like a track spike. So every step I took, I need to feel the bottom of the floor. Did you tape your ankles? Hell nah, because that would restrict me in stopping and getting out of my break. I don't want nothing restricting me, man. My ankle, I taped

directly to my skin. So I had that mold skin, you know that brown tape? Yeah, me, man. I tape directly to my skin. Oh, yeah. I had that mold skin, you know, that brown tape? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I tape directly to my skin. Now, that was just on game day. During the week, I'd use pre-wrap, didn't get a tape that tight. But boy, no, I couldn't do that.

Jordan B says, but the one is the original, the icon. When you say Air Jordan, it's the sneaker that people think of. It is, but it's not the most popular one. So, again, thank you. Thank you for watching another episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you click that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We really, really appreciate you.

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