Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Taylor Swift, Broncos-Dolphins Near History, and Cowboys-Cardinals

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson react to another fun Sunday of NFL football including Taylor Swift at the Chiefs game to support Travis Kelce, the Miami Dolphins pouring it on the Denver Broncos, the Cowboys losing to the Cardinals, and Chad's Hall of Fame case. #Herd #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm your favorite unk, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, Chad Ochocinco Johnson. And let's jump right into it. The Dolphins dropped a 70 spot. They gave a 50 nugget and a 20 for free. 70 points, something I never thought I would see in an NFL game. And the Dolphins had an opportunity to kick a field goal, a 45, 46-yard field goal

for the NFL record. Should Miami have gone for the record? Consider the NFL is 103, 104 years of age. You would have scored. You know what? I think I would have. I think Mike McDaniels I think I would have. I think Mike

McDaniels, he made a statement. Mike McDaniels made a statement. That offense made a statement for all the tour doubters, for all the offensive doubters on all the shenanigans they had to say about tour and had to say about the offense. That team in general, the statement was made

today. Would they be able to keep up with this? And the funny thing about it is the fact that they put up a 70 ball. I'm going to call it a 70 ball. They put up a 70 ball today. And you and I, not too long ago, we just talked about where you said how long, how recent or how often does it happen that you have a 300-yard passer and a 200-yard rusher?

And they have a 150-yard receiver. Receiver. And not only did it happen, guess whose team it happened against? Guess whose team? Let's ride, Bronco what? Country nation. Bronco country. Yeah, yeah.

No country for old men. That's what it is. The difference between you and I, I've never been under the illusion that the Broncos were Super Bowl contenders, that the Broncos were division winners. See, now, if Cincinnati were to get beat, what are the expectations for Cincinnati? Oh, see, the expectations for Cincinnati are out that roof

because that's what you've consistently shown for the past three years. I understand where you're going with that. I ain't got no – see? You see how I am? You see how free I'm going? I ain't got no expectations. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

I got you. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. You got to have expectations. You know why you got to have expectations? Because you had someone that came in there with the Thor hammer coming down by the name of...

What's the head coach's name again? Sean Payton. Sean Payton. He came in with Thor's hammer. This is how it's going to be? Nah, listen, Russell. That's not the way we're going to do things. You're going to do things my way. You're not going to do it how you've done it in the past. And what happened? You can't... Talk to me. Who's at fault? Because it showed when

Russell Wilson fought. Who's at fault? Who are you going to blame? Russell's going to play defense. Here's the thing, Ocho. When you get 70s hung on you, that's telling you your entire organization from top to bottom isn't good enough. The person that picks the talent, the people that coach the talent, top to bottom isn't good enough the person that picks the talent the people that coach the talent the talent itself isn't good enough because you got to think about it okay you know russell got an opportunity to score two it's not like one team

get to score 70 and you can only score 20 russell could have gone out there and scored 70 also so i mean wait wait a minute go ahead the broncos put up points. The Broncos put up points now. 20! The Broncos put up points. 20! Man, you know, well, you know what? Maybe not. The game has evolved and the game has changed. If you score 20 in our day, you should win the game. Yeah, but they allowed you to play defense.

You were hoping to get the, yeah, you could hope, okay, defense scored, you know, we scored 20. Defense is going to do this now with the spread open. It's basketball on grass. Right. 20 points. I mean, come on, man. But the thing is, look, we know what Miami possess. See, I've never doubted Tua.

The only concern should have been about Tua. Can he stay healthy? Yeah. That's the thing, Ochoa, because seemingly every time he gets sacked, he hurt his knee, he hurt his ankle, or he hits his head on the turf and then he has a concussion and he misses a game, or they bring him back in the game

and it's lingering and he misses more time. He's shown that when given an opportunity to stay healthy, protected in the pocket, he can distribute the football. Listen, his job is so easy. Yes.

One of the things that people need to understand when it comes to coaches, when it comes to offensive coordinators, your job becomes extremely easy based on the personnel and the chess pieces you have to work with. Yes. What you have to work with. You know how they say players get coaches fired? Yeah.

These are the kind of players or a team assembled in this manner that get coaches pay raises. Yes. Well, it get coordinators, get coordinators head coaching job.

So the offensive coordinator is not all of a sudden going to get a job. The receiver coach is going to become an offensive coordinator because you see the numbers that they're starting to put up. It was kind of like when

Green Bay had Brett Favre. Look at all the coaches, the Mariuchis, the Andy Reeds, the Mike Holmgrens, all those guys. Even some of the defensive coordinators ended up getting jobs. Ray Lewis. Look at all the defensive people staff, from the Rex Ryan

to the Mike Singletary to the who else? Jack Del Rio, Marvin Lewis, Mike Smith, Mike Nolan. Listen, it's just like Oprah. You get a job. You get a job.

Everybody gets the opportunity. This is a great thing. This is a great thing for the Dolphins, but where do the great thing for the dolphins but what do the broncos go from here what do the broncos do from here i'm asking you this is this is a great question i'm i'm really not one that really asks the questions here but what do the broncos do from here well they don't have any choice this this is the roster that you have this is the coaches this is the team that you have the uh the pinner and the walton family has spent an enormous sum of money. Money is not the issue.

They purchased this team two years ago, and they gave Russell Wilson money when they didn't have to. They gave Sean Payton $18 to $20 million to turn this thing around. Well, damn it, turn it around. Now, it's going to take some time because this tells me the talent that they have is not good enough, Ocho. You don't give up 70 points. You don't give up 70 points in an NFL game. 70 points is the most points since 1966.

I was born in 68. I'm 55. You weren't even thought of in 66. You were born in 78. I was born in 68. You were born in 78 I was born in 68 you were born in 78 as a matter of fact you probably

hold on I'm thinking you probably born in 80 I was born I was born in 68 man at Jackson Memorial Hospital at 308 well you can say

whatever you want to say first of all we both know you weren't born in those 68 so think about that so that's what it tells me right and see me

I would have kicked the field goal because I do you a favor. See, when I beat you by a lot of points, Ocho, I tell you, your players aren't good enough. Your staff isn't good enough. See, if I kick a walk-off field goal, you actually think you had a chance. If I beat you by a touchdown, you say, I got a chance. When I drop a 70-piece on you, that lets you know, now ownership is looking

at everything from top to bottom at the bottom are they getting are they getting coached properly are they getting trained properly are they eating properly do we have the right personnel to do what's being asked of them there's a lot of there's a lot more questions than answers the funny thing about it is what I want people to remember, that this is still the NFL. This is still the best of the best. This is still the 1% in the world that are playing at the highest level. Yes.

The one thing I enjoy and love about the NFL is week to week, you can probably try to dictate games and who's going to win, but it's a toss-up every weekend outside of maybe two or three teams that will really dominate throughout an entire season and sometimes double up and lose, which happens to another team that we're going to get on later on in the show, but the Broncos are not as bad

as what they displayed today. How about this, Sierra? I'm going to give you a stat, Ochoa, and you tell me. Come on, man. I'm going to give you a stat. They're not that bad. In their last three road games games with three different head coaches, they've been outscored 148 to 58. Three different head coaches, three road games. Now you tell me.

Go. You know what? Sometimes numbers don't always tell the whole story. Oh, the numbers tell the story. I'm going to tell you. If I got $25 million in my bank account you got zero dollars what the numbers tell you i got 25 in my bank account you got zero so what's the number that's a lot exactly that's a lot 148 three hold on Three different head coaches. Last three road games. Now you tell me.

You know what? I'm sitting here. I'm digging. I'm digging. I'm looking for a positive. I anticipate. I'm looking. I'm looking for one.

I'm trying to find it. It's very difficult. I anticipated you was going to say, what's the problem? So now I got to be able to counter your question. Ocho, 70 points in an NFL game? Let that sink in. You just told me this is the best of the best. This isn't Alabama against a D2 or an FCS or a Division III team.

This is supposed to be the top one percenters. It is, but remember, at times you have games like this. Maybe games like this where you don't get 70 hung on you, but you have 50 points, 55. Sometimes you have 60-point games. Thank you. It doesn't happen. Think about it.

It probably won't happen again for a while. A game like this won't happen for a while. Have you ever scored in your career? How many years have you played? 12, 13? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 12.

How many times did y'all score 50 points in your 13-year career? I think 45 is the most we scored. Hold on, hold on. 50, 50, 50. You scored 50. You okay? Yeah. Against Cleveland.

Cleveland. I scored in my 14 years, the most I've ever scored is 48. They got 70. And they had an opportunity for a field goal to score the most points in the 103, 104-year history of the NFL. So don't tell me that happens often because in 140 years, there's only been a handful of times, maybe one hand, that a team has scored seven. So that doesn't happen often, though.

Again, but that's why I said it doesn't happen. I said it doesn't happen that often. That's why you won't probably see that from the Broncos' defense again. That's why I said it doesn't happen often because they are the best of the best, and what they're going to do is they're going to go back to the drawing board, they're going to make the necessary changes, see what went wrong, change what they need

to do defensively, because again, how many times throughout a 17-game season are you facing the offense with Tyreek Hill? How many times are you facing a team with the speed of Robbie Anderson, chosen Anderson, who comes in and goes

for 69? They have a 4x1 team that can compete almost in the Olympics against any country outside of Jamaica and the USA. That's the kind of speed we talking about and dealing with. Speed kills, and the Dolphins showed that today. Now, the last three, okay, they had three road games.

They've outscored 148 to 58. Only one of those games with the Dolphins. So the other two in which they've given up 78 points, what happened in that? Don't do me like that because you're stumping me like the swab right now. Because what I'm trying to tell you is that coaching is not where it needs to be. The personnel is not where it needs to be.

Whoever put this team together and put the last couple of teams together is not good enough. And it's okay. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. How many times do you got to go to a restaurant, get horrible service, and the food doesn't taste good before you realize, you know what? I need to stop bringing my ass to this restaurant because it's not for me. So how many times do the Broncos got to keep trotting teams out there and getting blown out before we realize this ain't what it needs to be?

You make the necessary adjustments. The personnel, you have the best of the best on that defense. You have the best of the best. Understand. You got pass or tear. Oh, he that boy. He can only cover one. Look, they got some okay pieces,

but they can't consistently get to the quarterback. And when you don't get to the quarterback, unless you're Deion Sanders, you're not going to hold up out there. The guys are too good. Because, see, the reason why corner is so hard, Ocho, is because I'm asking you to do everything that a wide receiver does,

but I'm asking you to do it backwards. Backwards. Oh, yeah. You see, people, I know this is before your time, Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire, the great couple. Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire? Okay remember Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire. Okay, think this out. She had the hardest job because she had to mimic every move he did backwards, and she had to do it in heels and a dress.

So her job was magnified. So I'm asking DBs to do everything a wide receiver does but do it backwards without the knowledge. At least they choreographed it that she could rehearse. I can't rehearse what that receiver's going to do because I don't know. I might have an idea,

but I don't know 100%. For me, when I looked at the Broncos and I watched a large chunk of this game until I just couldn't stomach it anymore, they aren't talented enough to compete with the team that they need to be. It's really that simple. And I know, I know the pinners.

I know the ones I've met. I've talked to them. This is unacceptable to them. When you're the Walmart family and you're one of the biggest, biggest empires, losing is not in their vocabulary. Yeah, but this is a different ballgame. This is a different area

that they're in. You might be able to win in business, but building a team and building a championship caliber winning team is completely different. That might be territory that you're unfamiliar with. Let me ask you a question. It's going to take time. You just said it's going to take time before we even started.

Time? You just said that. Yeah, you said it's going to take time. Let me ask you a question. What person is going to give Ocho Cinco $18, $20 million and say, take your time in fixing it? If you're giving Ocho $18, $20 million, you already know what you're getting when you pay me.

You ain't going to have to wait for me. I tell you what, this is how I'm going to do it. I'm going to break it down for you. Your little smart car, it got some fame. And you pay a guy 5,000. He say, it's going to take some time. You say, how much time? I don't know,

but it's going to take time. Nah, bro. It ain't going to work. It ain't going to work. When you say it like that, that's understandable. But listen, the way the NFL works in general, there are 53 players on the roster. Right. There's only so much you can do.

You really can't make any specific moves right now. We in week three. No, you stuck. You stuck. Yeah, you stuck. There's nobody in the squad. Exactly. There's no time.

You can't hit the panic button. We got, what, 14 more games? You got 14 more games to go. Yeah, you stuck. There's nobody in this. Exactly. There's no time. You can't hit the panic button. Because we got, what, 14 more games? You got 14 more games to go. Yeah, yeah. You go back to the drawing board, and you do what you got to do. And you do what you do best. Right. You do what you do best, and you got to work with your guy.

When you play cards, I don't even gamble like that. But when you play poker and you get your hand, what you got to do with that hand? When you play spades, what you got to do with that hand? When you play spades, what you got to do with that hand? Looking at the Broncos' hand, I wish they could fold it. You ain't got to play it. Hey, they deal you them two cards. Sometimes they just go ahead and fold a hand.

If I'm playing spades, if I ain't got no spades, I throw my card. I throw my hand in. I ain't playing. You got face cards. The name of the game is spades, and I ain't got any. Unfortunately, in this situation, you're absolutely correct. I ain't playing. You got face cards. The name of the game is fades and I ain't got it. Right. Right. Unfortunately, in this situation,

you're absolutely correct. There's nobody on the street that can help the Broncos out of this situation. All the help that they're going to get is within that locker room. And those coaches, the coaches are going to have, you got to understand. Oh,

Joe, you've never been beaten like that. you've never been beaten like that. I've never been beaten like that. You got a 70 spot hung on you. Now, how does a coach come in front of you, stand on an apple crate or a cooler, and look you in your face and say, hey, guys, that was a tough one. We took that on the chin. But, hey, come in and bounce back.

It's already hard when you lose by 10 or 14. Can you imagine losing by 50? You got beat by 50. and bounce back. It's already hard when you lose by 10 or 14. Can you imagine losing by 50? You got beat by 50. But we in week three. We in week three. So there is time. There's plenty of time.

And don't do this. Don't do this to me either. Now, there's plenty of time to turn this ship around. There's plenty of time to turn this ship around. Ocho, think about it. A lot of time a team— The season ain't over. We in week three now. No, no, but I'm just telling you.

But a lot of times, you go through the whole season, and when you accumulate, when you add up the points you scored versus the points that you give up, it might not be 70. They gave up 70 in a game with eight minutes to go. Theoretically, the Dolphins could have got a couple more touchdowns if they had not taken their foot off the game. They could have. But listen, them dudes in that locker room,

I guarantee you this. Not only are they playing for the Broncos organization. Like you putting your film, your name is on the back of them jerseys. Your name is on the back of them jerseys. So them boys definitely ain't finna lay down and ain't finna let nothing like that happen again. I sure hope not. in them jerseys. So them boys definitely ain't finna lay down and ain't finna let nothing like that happen again. Because then you become

what happens when it's time for you to move on from the Broncos and you are part of that team that got 70 hung on you. No, they not going for that. They not going for that because that's going to stay with you forever. Oh, that's it. No, no, no. That's going to stay with you forever. Oh, you was part of that Broncos team or that Broncos

defense that got 70 hung on them? Let me turn the film on. Can I use you? Can you help my team? Ocho, you do. That's part of your resume. Ocho, you do realize that the losses linger longer than the wins. A loss hurts more than gratification and a win ever could.

Because I won three Super Bowls after we lost to the Jags in the divisional round. And that loss still haunts me more than any satisfaction I got from a win. They weren't cut out for me to get over this. Because think about it. Ocho, what's your most lopsided loss? Lopsided?

Let's just say you lost 40 to 10. Right, right, right. Ocho, they got beat by 50. Yeah. A seven in an NFL game? That's a Madden score. I see people score 70 in Madden. Wait, it's hard to score 70 in Madden unless you're playing on rookie mode.

Now, if you're playing on rookie mode, you could put up 70. You're playing on all Madden, you ain't putting up. What we saw today, and this is for the people. I'm a gamer. I play Madden. I'm a gamer, and I'm telling you now, if you are really good at the game, you might get 24 points, 24 points or 28 if you're playing against somebody that is equally as good as you.

Putting up a 70 ball? Yeah, maybe if you're five years old. You know, two little kids playing. Then you put up 70. Ain't nobody putting up no 70, no Madden game. So, in other words, what Ocho just told you, ladies and gentlemen at home, that the Broncos was on rookie mode. That's what you just said.

The Broncos was on rookie mode. They got a 70-piece put on them. Yeah, it was, for me, it was, they got a 70-piece put on them. For me, I felt bad for one, Sean Payton, for Russell Wilson, for Pat Sertain. I feel bad for the Broncos fans. My nephew out there. Listen,

all them boys, but I'm telling you what's going to happen is they're going to turn around. They got plenty of time because you can't lay down. You playing football. I hope they get up because they laid down today. No, I need them to get up. I need them to get up now. I'm telling you, you play ball.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Chicago. Travel to Kansas City. The game was kind of overshadowed. Not what was on the field, but what was up in the stands watching Travis Kelsey. Taylor Swift was in the box with Travis Kelsey's mom, Donna Kelsey, cheering her.

I don't know what they are. They might be an item. They might become an item. But all I know is when he caught that touchdown, she said, let's effing go. Let's go. I like it. So what was your thought?

So you said, okay, Taylor Swift might come to the game. We know who she is. We know what she represents. Oh, you know who Taylor Swift is. You know who that is, huh? Oh, I know who Taylor Swift is. But you didn't know who Selena Gomez was. I know who she is.

I don't know. I didn't know. I can't name. I can't name any Taylor Swift songs. That's not my genre of music. But I know who Taylor Swift is. I mean, she got her own group. Like, Beyonce have the Beehive.

Taylor Swift got the Swifties. For real? Yeah! Oh, I didn't know that. I know she's one of the biggest artists of our generation. I know that much. I understand her impact. She had a concert here in Cincinnati.

Boy, the line? The line. She took over the whole city. I think she sold out SoFi like three consecutive nights. And SoFi hold 85. Yeah, she's one of the biggest. And I'm thinking... Nobody can tour like her right now. Nobody can touch her. Like, she's one of the biggest. And I'm thinking... Nobody can tour like her right now. Nobody can touch her.

Like, she's selling it everywhere. Well, I think if we're talking about as far as touring, I think Beyonce might be the only one that's able to touch her as far as recognition globally and being able to track an audience regardless to where you go. I mean, she's up there like that. I've seen Beyonce in concert. Now, I've never seen

Taylor Swift, but Beyonce, that thing crazy. That thing electric. Listen, I already know she put on a show. And the funny thing about it, there are a few of the routines

I can do by heart, but that's a whole nother, that's a whole nother topic. That's a whole nother topic. But listen, that is, you know, to be Travis Kelsey and have someone,

have a megastar like that attend your game as opposed to the whole world thinking you guys are... We know why she attended the game. Because she's had the opportunity to go. She's Taylor Swift. She can go... There's 15, 16 games going on every week. She didn't show up.

She showed up in Kansas City. She's sitting in a box next to his mom. We know why she's there. Well, and she's like, a box next to his mom we know why she there well and she she's like yeah let's effing go that my boo that my baby did that y'all saw you think she listen

she got excited when you scored that touchdown how often you think she watched football I will be honest I don't think she watched it that much she got too much other ish going on in her life. She sat up there

getting excited like she knew it was going on. That's commendable. That is commendable. Just to have someone of that magnitude and that type of status to come watch you play? My hat's off the trap. Patrick Mahomes said

I felt pressure to throw him a touchdown considering Because she was in attendance. Yeah, because everybody wanted him to. So let me ask you a question. Mm-hmm. If you, when you were, when you were playing,

Oh yeah, I done had some come now. Wesley, you had a celebrity come especially for you? When you were playing. Oh, yeah. I done had some come now. I done had some show up now. Wesley, you had a celebrity come especially for you? Yeah, especially for me, boy. I had them coming, boy. Sugar had them coming now. Don't do me like that. Yes, Lord.

So, who is it? Hold on. Hold on. I got my baby behind me, so I got to be careful. I got to be careful. Look here. We all got a pass. We all understood who you were. You heard Shannon, right? We all got a pass. She understood who you were.

You heard Shannon, right? We all got a pass. Don't do that. You boy, I tell you what. They should call you the bus driver because you sure drive over somebody. You quick. You heard Shannon, did you? This young'un ran over me and backed up.

No, you good. You good. You good. Yeah. Any of your teammates, do you or any of your teammates ever have a famous girlfriend? You know what? Not really. Not really.

Not to that, not to her magnitude. No. Hell nah! Nah, not to that magnitude. It was almost impossible. Obviously, during my day, and I can be honest about this, the people that I dated were more so people that come from my background. Yeah.

That come from my background, come from where I come from, and understood what it took for me to get to this point. Most of us. We didn't have the reach, Ocho. We didn't have the reach these guys got now. Social media is a game changer. Right. And one of the things that I always did is I stuck to those that understood me.

Right. So if I didn't have it all, if I didn't have nothing to offer, I would still have a chance with you. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. Absolutely. So once I did make it

and once I did get a little money, I didn't veer off into a lane that I knew was well off my track. Right. Yeah. I'm trying to say it the right way without being rude or disrespectful. Okay.

I stayed in my financial lane. I acted my wage, if that makes sense. Who do you think, let's just say for the sake of argument, and that's what we're doing. We're not arguing, but we're having a conversation here. Who would be the biggest sports power couple

ever? We gotady and giselle even though they're separated or devore excuse me russ and sierra you had kim k and chris humphries uh she also why not kim k and reggie bush i was just gonna go to reggie bush also miles austin Also Miles Austin, D. Wade, Gabby Union, J-Lo, A-Rod, Justin Verlander, Kate Upton, David Beckham, Posh Spice, Victoria Beckham, Tony Romo, Jessica Simpson. Right. Carmelo Anthony, La La. La La Anthony. So the biggest, the biggest, you didn't even name the biggest. You didn't even name the biggest of the biggest the biggest you didn't even name the the biggest you didn't even name the biggest

of the biggest and who i mean lebron james and savannah no no no but i mean no that's his wife people don't look at savannah as a celebrity like a giselle like a a a jessica simpson or victor okay okay i i see i see we're going with this, obviously, a landslide, it would be Gisele and Tom. Okay. It would be Gisele and Tom. Oh, you think over David Beckham and Victoria? Yeah, absolutely. I don't know.

Football. Football. Yeah. Tell me what you want, what you really, really want. Yeah, you're right. You're right. But still, we talk about Gisele Bundchen. Yes.

The mis-earning 44 million a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was one of the original angels, one of the original Victoria, Vicky. The top earning angel at that. Yes, yes. That's a different ballgame. And so, okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, her and Victoria are a push.

Now, where do you have David Beckham and Tom Brady? Because you know soccer is global. Football is really just North America. Right. But the funny thing, I'm glad you said that. Even though you said Tom Brady is still a global icon, even outside of the States, because of who he is. You think Tom Brady bigger than David Beckham?

Not as big as... No, I didn't say that. Don't do that. Don't do that. You know, I didn't say that, especially not on the other side of the world, but Tom Brady is still known to that magnitude. Oh, yeah, he's huge. That's why he's on this list.

But not bigger than David Beckham. David Beckham is a little notch right above Tom because of what he's done for the game in Europe. Oh, but Tom is, I mean... I mean, who would be... That's top tier. That's a different world. So who would be

of the people that I named, who would be two? I want to get your thoughts out there also. So comment. So I want Twitter and IG to get involved with this. Who do they think? Who do they think? Tom Brady and Gisele, Russ and Sierra, Kim K, Chris Humphrey, Reggie Bush, Miles Austin.

Nobody's going to remember who he is. D-Wade, Gabby Union. Miles Austin was a phenomenal receiver for the Cowboys. Bro, outside if you played and lived in Dallas, nobody's going to know who Miles Austin was. He was. He was a very good receiver. Very good receiver.

I think for this argument, let's kind of keep it specific. Justin Verlander, Kate Upton, David Beckham, Victoria, Posh Spice, Tony Romo, Jessica Simpson, Mello, and Lala. Is there anyone with... I mean, way back when Terry Bradshaw married JoJo Starbuck. I know that was way before you guys'

time and nobody... But I'm going to say I'm going to go David Beckham and Posh Spice, Victoria Beckham now. I would say they would be one. I would say Brady and Gisele would be two. Would be two. And then I would put D. Wade and Gabby.

Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, Russell and Sierra are somewhat fresh as opposed to the longevity that Carmelo and Lala have had. Lala had, right. So I would put them and then right up under them. Then I would go with Russ and Sierra. Okay.

That's about right, right? Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. I think the thing is, I think like J-Lo and A-Rod, because J-Lo is an international also. J-Lo. Okay, yeah. J-Lo is, because not only does she does music, she's in the movies.

Movies, yes. That kind of, whoa, man, the movies, you know, hey. That's what, because, you know, Ciara sings. Music is a universal language. Everybody, you know, can speak it. But the movies, I think is where, where I would give JLo a nod. I think JLo is a little bigger,

a little bigger layup than, uh, than Sierra. She is, she is within, within her own right, within her own right. And those,

it's just, it's so funny because when we talk about and try to, to, to, um, compare these people touch different demographics totally. Yeah, totally. Totally different demographics.

But I mean, they're both love in their own right, with respect to both of them. Yeah, yeah. Me, after seeing what transpired, look, everybody on this list is a quadrillion times bigger than Shannon Sharp. I feel bad a lot of times if I go out and I take somebody in because I don't really think they signed up for that.

Now, some people are like, okay, cool, I'm cool with that. But every time, Ocho, I mean, sometimes even you want to go to the store and throw on some holy shorts and some little bobs or some stuff. I don't want to have to... That's what I look like anyway. I ain't putting on no clothes for nobody. I mean, I'm sure there are some women that say, you know what? Just one time I like to go out

without a face full of makeup, with lashes. I don't think so. You think they won't? Let me tell you, at that level, you always notice how when it comes to paparazzi, You think they won't? They won't now. Let me tell you, at that level, at that level, at that level, you always notice how

when it comes to paparazzi, they always end up in the same place where the slam be at. Like the slam don't have, they PR, well, this is where we gonna show up. They done dropped that hand.

Yeah, every time. If you don't want to be seen, oh, it's very easy not to be seen. Right. It's very easy not to be seen. All that stuff is, obviously, it's planned. The relationships that are together, it's very easy not to be seen. Right. It's very easy not to be seen. All that stuff is obviously planned. The relationships that are together, it makes sense.

Obviously, business comes first before pleasure. Yeah. And you understand that. One hand feeds the other based on what you have going on in life. And that's just the way it works at that level. And then when it has run its course, when it has run its course, that is normally when things break off. Oh, you know what? We forgot.

I'm just being honest. We forgot one. We forgot Kendall Jenner and Devin Booker. They dated for a minute? Yeah, I think that was short-lived if I'm not mistaken.

They had a nice little run. They had a nice 24-month run. No, I don't think it was that long. And I don't even know, I don't think it was that long. And I don't even know because I don't keep up with that area, that area of dating

and stuff like that. But I don't think there wasn't enough longevity. The people that we've just named that we talked about, we talked about, they had a nice run. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now, I don't know. Kim K and Chris Humphrey having on that that thing was 72 days was it 72 yeah man man i had band-aids on longer than that i think listen i can't i don't i don't i don't want to say nothing wrong man listen i like him me me i like kim k because what she's been able to do you can say whatever you I don't want to say nothing wrong, man. But listen, I like Kim K. Me, I like Kim K.

Because what she's been able to do, you can say whatever you want to say about her. You can say she don't look good or she don't do this and this and that. All I know is that she's been a kick. The best business? Man, wait, speaking of, wait, where we going with this? You throwing, you throwing? No, I ain't doing nothing. There you go, bro. Bro, every time I give somebody you throwing? No, I ain't doing nothing. There you go, bro.

Bro, every time I give somebody kudos, bro, I ain't trying to holler at nobody, man. Okay, I'm just saying. Bro, I stay in my lane. I stay in my lane. Okay, okay, okay. I got you. Okay, I'm just making a show.

I'm just making a show. Let me know now. Let me know. Okay. Back in the day, now, me and being corn may have the butthead i might have to see corn and see what's up nah man i'm good over here man i'm good i'm just tripping okay okay no hold on this is you because you've been doing all this talking the cowboys fall 28 16 to the cardinals the ari Arizona Cardinals beat the Dallas Cowboys.

You remember that? That bonnet and that historic defense that you was just preaching about for the last two years. What happened? And don't forget me also talking about how well they played the first two games. And I said, again, week to week, this is the NFL. And you never know what's going to happen. What did I tell you?

Week in and week out. What did I tell you? I did say that. What did I tell you? I said, Ocho. I didn't say they were going to go undefeated. I just said they have a great defense. And they've showed that.

It's on paper. Statistically, that's what it is. You do realize the Giants have won one game. You realize the Jets have won one game. The Arizona Cardinals had won no games coming into this game. I ask you a simple question as I ask America. What happens when your defense doesn't get scooping scores or pick sixes? What happens when your special teams doesn't get touchdowns

or your defense pitch a shutout or get seven or eight sacks? Now, I told you your offense. I said, look at your Reds. That's often the game that has to pick up the slack. And what did I tell you? Remember I told you Reds on offense? You say, but it was raining. I said, well, it wasn't like the Giants were playing in a tent.

And then I said, well, okay, what about the Jets? You say, well, the Jets got a great defense. Okay, now I want you to tell me, one for five in the red zone of the day against Arizona. Go, what did Arizona have? That's not fair. That's not fair. The fair is when you go get candy apples.

Eat cotton candy, ride the merry-go-round. That would have fair. You understand that the opposing team, the Arizona Cardinals, them players, they get paid too. You know that, huh? Do you realize... They get paid millions of dollars too to stop the opposing team.

They were able to do that today. Do you know how long Joshua Dobbs has been in Arizona? You know how long Joshua Dobbs been playing the quarterback position and hadn't had very many opportunities, but he's making the most of the one he has now? Say it again.

So a guy that hadn't played very much in the NFL, hadn't had no opportunities, but just beat a historically great defense. Is that what you're telling me? American team, yes, he had it. Listen, a squirrel get his nut every so often. Yeah. I don't want to take anything away from what the Arizona Cardinals did today, but are we praising them as if they're going to make a Super Bowl run

because they beat the Cowboys today? No. Listen, I never said the Cowboys were going to go undefeated and do all this stuff. But what I've been trying to tell you. I keep everything, even Keel. Week in and week out, you never know what's going to happen. No, but what I was trying to explain to you

and others, I say your offense, I say your defense is hiding inefficiencies and inequities of your offense. You just, because 40-0. They had scored 70, the other team had 10. But you didn't realize that Dak Prescott

had only counted for 14 points. Whoa, whoa, Shannon, you a hater. Nah, Shannon, just give it to you. Unfiltered. Yeah. But also, remember what I said. Yes. At the beginning of seasons, a lot of these players don't play in the preseason.

Yeah. And I said, by the time, for offenses, it takes time to gel. Get that time. Well, then why did it happen to Miami? So how Miami keep on hanging up all these points? Miami averaging 40 points a game. Man, I could average 40 points a game, too, if I had a four-by-one track team.

Listen to me. Shannon, can you throw the ball? Can you throw the ball? Can you just be efficient and throw the ball? Not anymore. I'm too muscly. Let's say when you're younger and if you're younger. Yeah, I can throw the ball. Yeah, I can throw it. Let's say, let's say, let's say when you're younger and if you... Yeah, yeah, I can throw the ball. Yeah, yeah,

I can throw it. Imagine you, I can put you in place of Tua with that offense you got around him and that running game that you have and you would be able

to facilitate the ball the same way he does and put up those same numbers. Oh, sure. So it's easy when you have that kind of, that kind of supporting cast around you.

You got to let them boys get their timing up, man. I'm telling you, that kid's going to be all right. They're going to be all right. Week four, week five is when every team hits their stride. I guess you're going to say there's something wrong with the Bengals too. Think about it.

There's something wrong with the Bengals' offense too, huh? What's wrong with your offense is your quarterback is dinged. You think something wrong with the Bengals' offense? Okay. You better hope your quarterback – Is Dak dinged? Dak ain't dinged, right? Nothing wrong with Dak?

What is that telling you? What is that telling you? What is that telling you? Because I got a lot. It takes time for offenses to get in a rhythm and get their timing. You've seen seven years of Dak in this Cowboys offense. What haven't you seen? What more do you? Seven years is a large sample size.

There are medical studies that don't take seven years, and they get evaluations. You've got seven years, 16-plus games, and playoff games to evaluate Dak properly. Did you see that interception he threw? Did you see that interception? Tell me who he was throwing it to. Now, there were three red jerseys around it and one white. Now, I want you to tell me which guy you think came down with the ball.

The middle linebacker that was watching Dak's eyes the whole way. Yeah, Dak was watching him. He watching Dak. So why you throw that ball, Ocho? So where was the ball supposed to go? Where would you want the ball to go? Not to the other team.

Well, normally, like, when we practice, let's try to throw it to the guys that have on the same color jersey as we do. Because, like, the scout team, they're going to have on the red jerseys or the jerseys the color of the team that we're playing. So what we try to do is not to throw it to them. Dak was in a position he's trying to score as fast as possible. There were three minutes and some change on the clock. I'm trying to get a touchdown as fast as possible

to get my defense back out there because I believe my defense can get us the ball back and I can put together a winning drive. That defense that Joshua Dobbs and James Conner and Rondell Moore go up and down the field, that defense. Yeah, that one. All it takes is to get a score there.

Let me tell you something. I'm going to play hypothetical. I'm going to be very hypothetical. Let's do that. Hypothetical situation. Let's say Dak squeezes that ball in. Let's say Dak squeezes that ball in. He catches that.

They get the ball back, and that Cowboy defense goes out and threesing out the Cardinals. Hold on. 3-0. Think about what you just said. Think about what you just said. When they got that in. It didn't happen.

I'm just saying, what would have happened? What if? Okay. What if? No, no. Under that scenario, I would have need, like, when they got that interception, I would have needed the Cowboys to go three and out to make your point valid. Because what did the Cowboys, what did the Cardinals do?

They ran the time off the clock. They ran the time out. So the Cowboys offense never touched the field again. Under what you just said, the Cowboys defense would have needed to produce a three and out for you to say had that scored because even they didn't score and the cowboys didn't know that didn't get the ball back in a hypothetical situation i think the circumstances would have been different had the cow had the cowboys scored on that play. Hypothetically.

I think. You like hypotheticals? Hypothetically. No, I don't. I don't because it already happened. I'm just trying to find a positive to keep the Cowboys fans happy. I like hypotheticals too. Hypothetically.

You know what's funny? The Cowboys. What? You know what I like about the Cowboys? We, or the media in general, Stephen A., you, and others, you know, the Cowboys are going to be in contention no matter what happened as a result of today's game.

They're going to be in the playoffs. Yes. They're going to be in the playoffs and they're going to have a great regular season no matter what. But you know why... That's a fact. That's a fact. You think about what you just said.

All the things that you said are true. Why it hurts so much when the Cowboys falter is because their fan base has set these ginormous expectations. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Is it their fan base? Is it their fan base?

Their fans are delusional. Is it their fan base or is it their owner? That's always in front of the camera. That says these things. Hold on. That puts the pressure on the team. Their owner is only one person.

The Cowboys will have five of the ten. He is the face. He's the face. He loves that. But the Cowboys will have five of the ten most watched games. So their fan base, there's no bigger following than the cowboys fans and so that's why they're america's team they have the moniker of america's team for a reason yeah well i mean i thought we liked winners and they hadn't won anything in 27 years think about

how many championships new england's won since then how many have how many have over homeboy one or the Broncos have won so at some point in time you don't get to hang on to a name forever well it's still working I mean I mean I guess

and people there are very few teams that can move the needle when it comes to the media side of things nobody moves the needle no no no nobody moves the needle like the Cowboys bingo there's your answer when it comes to the media side of things. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

nobody moves the needle like the Cowboys. Bingo. There's your answer. Nobody moves the needle like the Cowboys. Nobody moves the needle like the name LeBron James. Nobody moves the needle like, um, who else? Who else is a needle mover? I'm talking about for clicks, for eyes watching.

Oh, well, with football, it was Brady. Oh, Brady. Oh, yeah. Most definitely. It was Donald. That's just the nature of the business. It's the way it is. Or you talk about in soccer, you talk about Messi or you talk about Ronaldo. Yeah. They move the needle. It's just

the way it is. Especially in a negative light. Especially in a negative light. Especially in a negative light. You do realize in the last two games, the Cowboys have gone 3-4-11 in the red zone? Hmm. No, I try. That's fixable.

That's fixable. And you do know when you get to the red zone, it becomes that much more difficult to score. Just FYI. But you just said it's fixable. So if it becomes that much more difficult, why do you FYI. But you just said it's fixable. So if it becomes that much more difficult, why do you make it seem like it's so fixable then? Well, it's fixable because all you got to do now

is score from 30 on out. You don't have to worry about nothing. Oh, that's all you got to do. That's all you got to do, huh? Yeah. So scoring in the NFL is easy, huh? No, I'm not what you do. At the point they put in the Dolphins,

just show you it's easy? No, if you look at the Dolphins, the Dolphins was hitting on their heads on the goalpost from 60 and 70 They wasn't even getting in the red zone. They was running through the red zone Wait a minute. Now we got some dogs over there in them cowboy jerseys that can do the same thing CeeDee Lamb could do the same thing Michael Gallup is very efficient in intermediate and short routes. We do have a speed burner in Mr. Cooks, don't we?

Yeah. We do have a burner too now. Don't do that. I'm talking about we. I'm sorry. Yeah. CeeDee has played really well thus far this year.

I'm sure he would like to get those opportunities like a Justin Jefferson or like a Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen got 18 targets today. No, he had 20 targets, caught 18 balls for 215. I don't

know what it is, but Gallup and he and Dak hadn't got on the same page yet. And I think that needs to happen so now that opens up CD a little bit more. I think he and Cooks need to get on the same page yet. And I think that needs to happen. So now that opens up C.D. a little bit more. I think he and Cooks need to get on the page a little better. But they're running the football. Pollard has done a great job running the football.

They had a nice run game considering they had, what, two, two, three of their starting offensive linemen out. I mean, there's nothing to complain about as far as running the football. That just has to do a better job once he gets that team into the red zone of getting the ball into the end zone. Well, also, we can't put everything on deck, but also the plays that are called, maybe the plays that are being called aren't efficient enough

to make scoring really easy. Sometimes you don't have to complicate things when you get in the red zone. Make it simple. Understand the defense tendencies and change up what you're doing as opposed to not what people are used to seeing. And then you'd probably get in the end zone

a little bit more. You got to be creative. Why you study? Let me ask you a question. Why you study film? Simply for tendencies. So I know what to expect. Okay, thank you.

So I know what to expect on down and distance. So all of a sudden now, you want a team to get into the game and break all the tendencies, what they've been doing all year long. We talked about this. They might break one or two, but they're not going to break that. They're not going to junk that whole game plan. Again, you don't have to not junk your whole game plan,

but you want to know why you're 3-11 when you get in the red zone? Because you're not chaining up the goddamn tendencies and the teams you're playing defensively know what you're going to11 when you get in the red zone? Because you're not chaining up the goddamn tendencies and the teams you're playing defensively know what you're going to do once you get from the 20 inside. You just answered your own question. I'm not even a coordinator, and I can tell you what to do. All I'm going to say is this. Sometimes it's not the bait you're using, it's the fisherman.

I'm going to leave it at that. Come on, don't do that. I'm going to leave it at that. Don't do that. I'm just leaving it at that. Listen, there's no better fisherman out there than the one you got right now. How about that?

Are you sure about that? There ain't no better fisherman. Oh, yeah. Show me one. Show me one. Name one. Ain't nothing out there. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Because all you're going to do is go get another fisherman and they're going to make the situation even worse. No, no, no. I'm just saying. So let me ask you a question. If we were to rank Dak, you think Dak's the top 10 quarterback?

Why do I have to rank him? I don't like putting numbers on people. Because that's what we do. Dank is a valuable quarterback to that Dallas franchise. All of them are valuable. What quarterback isn't valuable? It's only 32 spots available and starting.

You want a 32? You know how difficult it is to find a quality quarterback in the NFL? You know how difficult it is to find a quarterback? That's America's team. They got the most valuable. Wait. I have a question. Quick question for you. Is there another quarterback that isn't on a team right now that can replace Dak

and the Cowboys will still be a contender? No. Thank you! Period. So discussion is over. Discussion is over. There's no need to critique or ask him, is he top 10? Because he gives the Cowboys their best chance to win. And what chance is that? Thank you.

Consider the last seven years, what chance is that? Over the last seven years, what have is that? Thank you. Thank you. Considering the last seven years, what chance is that? Woo! Over the last seven years, what have you seen? I've seen the Cowboys be in contention every time and have a chance at lifting the money. You know what insanity is? But they fell short. But they fell short. You know what insanity is? Every year, we have another opportunity at it, and that's what they got this year.

Another opportunity at that Lombardi. Doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result. Why do you think Tom Brady does the exact same thing every year? Because he's been successful. Why do you think LeBron James does the same thing every year? Because he's been successful. Hmm.

I like that. I like that analogy. And I don't like the fact that you use two of the biggest icons that have been successful. No, but what I'm saying is I have no comeback for those two. There's nothing I can say. What about Pat Mahone, boy?

He any good? Oh yeah, he great. He's great. He also, no disrespect. Ooh! Ooh! Jets fall to the Patriots 15-10. The Jets are so bad, the man was screaming

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Listen to Spiraled on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. They don't! You know, Zach Wilson today, you know, he played against probably the greatest coach to ever coach. One of the greatest defensive minds. Do you know who Zach Wilson played against today? He also played against a division. Listen to me. He played against a divisional opponent that is very familiar with what the

just like to do those tendencies that I'm talking about. You know, a bill Belichick is great at doing taking away your number one weapon, confusing a young quarterback like Zach, Zach Wilson and making a game difficult for him to win. At what point? That is what you saw today. You know what I love today point in time? That is what you saw today. That's what you saw today.

That's what you saw today. This is what I see. I see you continuously make excuses because when it lost to the Cowboys, listen. I didn't make an excuse. I'm just speaking facts because I watched the game. But hold on. If you're the quarterback, you got to get past that. You can't

say, well, he lost because it was a great defense. Oh, a great coach. He lost because it was a great defense. At what point in time are you supposed to win some of these games? It's a team sport, right? Yes! It's a team sport. Yes!

It's a team of 11 guys on each side of the ball doing their job as one, as one unit, one band, one sound to get the job done. Why do we continue to single out Zach Wilson? That defense gave up 13 points. What was Zach Wilson on third down?

Let me get this stat right quick. What was he? Y'all ain't finna talk about my dog like he the problem. Oh, you ain't finna talk about my dog. Like he the problem. Oh, he the problem. Cause here's the thing. If, if he's the answer,

I question the question that you're asking. Now, if you're asking who's the quarterback for the Jets, Zach Wilson is the answer. But anything outside of that, two of 14 on third down. Two for 14. What was he the previous week? Two of 11?

See, I got... Can I ask you a question? Yeah, of course. Can I ask you a question? Sure. Two for 14 and two for 11. Were people getting open? All I know, that's what a man said himself. Were people getting open? All I know, that's what a man said to himself.

Were people getting open? Oh, so now Gary Wilson ain't getting open. Now, you just told me Gary Wilson ain't doing it. I said, Gary Wilson is this dude. What is Bill Belichick? I'm glad you said that. What is Bill Belichick's greatest thing at doing when he plays a team? Taking away their best what?

And you know this. He's trying to make you one-dimensional. Whatever you're good at, he's going to take it away. Just take Garrett Wilson out the picture because the defense, when the defense for the Patriots line up, wherever Garrett Wilson goes, whichever side of the ball you go to, the defense lines up based on his alignment. So he's out the picture.

So that leaves everybody else. Y'all got to come to play. Next man up. He was one of ten last week. He's not going to beat us. Right. But here's the thing. You got a nice running team. I need everybody else to play their part. Ocho. We're not going to see him blame Zachary.

I need y'all to help my quarterback. Ocho. I need y'all to help my quarterback. They don't believe in him. They don't believe in him. They don't believe in him. They don't believe in him. And you know it. Listen to me. Can I take, listen to me, please, real quick.

Maybe I'm just built different. Maybe the way I think, if I have people, or I have, let's say if I play for the Jets right now. Yes. Let's say if I play for the Jets. Okay. Stay with me, please. And I'm not trying to be funny.

I ain't making no joke because now I'm talking football. If I played for the Jets, I would love to be in this situation right now where people don't believe in Zach Wilson. Because I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you on Sundays. Whenever we play, I'm going to show you. Zach, come hell or high water. I got you.

Ocho. I need the receivers in that room. Ocho. It's easy to flip the script on what's going on with Zach. Ocho. I need the receivers in that room. Ocho. It's easy to flip the script on what's going on with Zach. Ocho. I need y'all. You got to win for him. You got to.

Ocho. You got to win for him. You do realize the organization traded first-round picks for another quarterback. Now, let's just say for the sake of argument, you're there and they draft two receivers. They draft one receiver in the first round one year

and another receiver or they go out in free agency and sign a big time free agency. Do they still believe in Ocho Cinco? Yes or no? I don't like that hypothetical. Don't put me in that situation because I wouldn't be in it.

I don't like that hypothetical. You love hypotheticals. You just gave me a... Listen to what I'm saying. Okay, so there's... Remember I told you about organizations and teams? Right now, the officer coordinators, Robert Sala,

understanding the weaknesses that your quarterback has. How do we mask his weaknesses? You can't. You can. You can mask whatever weaknesses it may be. Let's find ways to simplify things

to make the offense more efficient. You have Garrett Wilson. You have Lazard. You have Cobb. You got Brees Hall. There's no reason you should be 2-4-11 or 3-4-14 under any circumstances with what you had to work

with over there. You know what, Ocho? No reason. Ocho, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to do it like this here. I'm going to invite you to enough events. I'm going to make you bring that ugly girl to the dance. I'm going to make you play that quarterback. I'm going to stop that run, and I'm

going to make him participate in this game. So I'm going to invite you to a wedding. I'm going to invite you to a baby shower. I'm going to invite you to a dance. I'm going to stop that run, and I'm going to make him participate in this game. So I'm going to invite you to a wedding. I'm going to invite you to a baby shower. I'm going to invite you to a dance. I'm going to invite you to a family function. I'm going to invite you to a party. I'm going to invite you to, guess what, the Christmas party at the office. I'm going to make you show that girl.

I'm going to make you show that girl that you've been dating, that you've been hiding, the world going to see you. And so if I'm a defensive coordinator and I'm playing the Jets, I'm going to make that ugly girl show her face. And Zach Wilson is that girl. The game of football, week in and week out, between the offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator, is nothing but a chess match.

Nothing but a chess match. Nothing but a chess match. You're not going to sit and tell me my chess pieces over in New York are better than the chess pieces over in New England. I'm rocking with the – You just told me, Coach – Hold on. You just told me Coach Belichick is going to take away. Now, he knows.

Belichick ain't on the field. Belichick ain't on the field. Now, he ain't on the field. Belichick ain't out on the field. No, you're not listening to me. He's not on the field. I'm talking mentally for the players that's on the field. Yes, Ocho.

There ain't nothing you doing finna stop me. Mentally, everybody has a way they feel about Zach. But a simple fact, I'm finna show y'all ain't nothing wrong with this, man. I'm winning every time for Bull. Every time. Every time I'm getting open on everything. Zach, if you need some way to go with the ball,

first down, I'm here. Second down, I'm here. Zach, if you want to switch up the play and call something that you might see, switch it up. I got you. Let me ask you a question. When Coach Belichick came into this game today, it's going to be raining. It's going to start mist. It's going to start spitting.

It's going to start spitting. A little rain is going to start coming. What you think Coach Belichick's number one priority was? Stop the run. I want the ball in Zach Wilson's hand. That's where I want the ball. I want the ball in Zach Wilson's hand. That's where I want the ball. I want it in his hand. I do not want him putting the ball

in Breeze Halls and Carter's and Dalvin Cook. I don't want them to get 40 touches. Hey, so basically you're telling me they stack in the box, right? Yeah. That's what you're telling me, right? That's what I'm telling you. You're telling me they stack in the box, right? Yeah. That's what you're telling me, right? That's what I'm telling you. You're telling me they stack in the box, right?

And they're rolling the safety on the side with Garrett Wilson, and they got somebody in Garrett Wilson's face. So what we got to do on the other side of the ball, that receiver? What we got to do? It don't matter what he does. What we got to do for Zach? So we don't have to be 2-11 or 3-14. What we got to do as receivers for Zach Wilson to make sure we can get the media

and the other pundits to stop talking shit about our quarterback? What we got to do? What he got to do as receivers for Zach Wilson to make sure we can get the media and the other pundits to stop talking shit about our quarterback? What we got to do? What he got to do. See what you keep saying? We got to go out there and win for him. What does he got to do? At what point in time is it he? I tell you what, when it come time to go to the bank, it ain't no we, it's I.

Now you keep telling me what we. What is he going to do? That's what I need you to tell me because I have yet to hear you offer an honest assessment and say, this is what Zach needs to do. You keep talking about Garrett Wilson. You keep talking about Breeze Hall and Carter and Dalvin Cook. What about him? I have a question.

Oh, yes. I got an answer. I have a question. Yes. Let me further dissect the film, not the TV copy, the real film, so I can get a better assessment so I can answer this the right way. Because I'm watching the TV copy just like you're watching. Yes. I'm watching the TV copy just like you're watching and understanding, based on what I can see, what's going on.

But for me to get in depth and get a better understanding on what's going on and why it's happening, I'm somewhat just taking an educated guess, obviously, based on what I'm seeing on why he's 2 for 11 or 3 for 14. When you're 2 for 11 and 3 for 14, that means that there's nowhere for you to throw the ball. There's nowhere for you to throw the ball. If I keep what I try to do, and obviously, you want to try to keep a team in third and long. You let a team get third and three.

You let key teams get in short. Ain't too many people playing for third and long. You let key teams get in short. Ain't too many. Yeah, you want third and long. Ain't too many people playing for third and long. Ocho, what made you great was your ability, not only was you technically sound as far as running route, you could process information. You could see something, and instantaneous knows where you wanted to go

and where you needed to be. How well is he processing it properly? He looks, because a lot of times, all I'm trying to do is give you an illusion of what you think you're going to get, and I'm never going to give you that. So I got pre-snap tendencies, but I'm looking around like,

I know what the pre-snap is telling me, but from this alignment, in this down and distance, in this area of the field, with this formation, that ain't what y'all normally do. Y'all joshing with me. Y'all normally go.

I know y'all come out here in a shell coverage or you come out here in quarters. Right. But I believe y'all going to go to what y'all normally do, which y'all probably going to go to cover six and y'all probably going to kick it, which is cover two one side, quarters on the backside.

So I'm going to anticipate that and I'll react to anything else you possibly give me. So the ability to process that information quickly. Okay, I get a rush. I get away from the rush. I get my eyes down. Immediately,

I got to get back up. Now, I know where they was going with the football. I know I had a comeback. I get my eyes down. Immediately, I got to get back up. Now, I know where they was going with the football. I know I had a comeback. I had an over. You know, I had a dagger right or whatever the case may be. Now, I got to try to pick those up, Ocho. Something isn't firing. There's a disconnect somewhere

because it seems like every time he's adhering headlights. Well, maybe because he's getting hit every time he dropped back. I would be a deer in headlights too, after always getting hit over and over and over. Listen, I don't have an answer. I'm just going to be honest. I don't have an answer

for what's going on with them in New York, but I do know I've heard about the offensive line. I've heard rumblings about the offensive line, and some people have always said, even when Aaron Rodgers was in there early on, he also had issues with getting hit early because of the offensive line. That could play some type of factor.

It would mess up. It would also mess up the processing when you got to think about somebody sacking you before you can get into your goddamn drop. I think the thing is, though, what Aaron would have been smart enough and where he messed up, that was a three-step drop.

And you know on a three-step drop, Ocho, whatever side you work, you got to stay that side or let it go. Ain't no way you can go, okay, I got a three-step drop. I'm looking right. And then all of a sudden, I'm going to try to come back.

It's too late. Guy going to get you. Right. And so, third or three or 24 on third down, the Jets got some work because Buffalo seemed to getting their traction, and we know what Miami represents, and we

just saw the Patriots just beat them. So, right now, they got an uphill climb to make. Tomorrow, the big day for you and your family. You're going into the ring of honor. And if I'm not mistaken, I think Anthony Munoz he'll climb to make. Tomorrow, the big day for you and your family, you're going into the ring of honor. And if I'm not mistaken, I think Anthony Munoz,

it's Ken Riley and Ken Anderson. Are they the only three? Is this three? I think Big Willie, Isaac Curtis. Okay. Isaac Curtis.

Big Willie. Isaac Curtis. Yeah, Big Willie, Anthony Munoz, and... Ken Anderson? I think Ken Anderson, yes, sir. So you're going to be the first five.

So are you nervous? What does this moment mean to Ocho? I mean, when I think about it, it really hasn't hit me yet. It hasn't hit me yet. Obviously, the fact that the Bengals are honoring me and letting me know what they think of all I've done for the organization. You know, the ups, the downs, you know, the highs, the lows, all the work I put in.

It means a lot. But it still hasn't hit me yet. It'll probably hit me tomorrow night just to see that name go in that stadium. And I will revert back. That's forever. Yeah, that's forever. I revert back that's forever yeah that's forever i revert back to i wasn't even supposed to get to this point you know the statistically the the optics the illusion i even get making it to the nfl based on where i come from it wasn't supposed

to happen so the fact that i was able to overcome all the stuff throughout my childhood. And actually get to this point, man, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's a lot of stuff I wouldn't talk about or bring up. But, man, it don't seem real, and it just ain't hit me yet. It'll probably hit me tomorrow. So you got anything special? Because, you know, when I went to the Ring of Honor, I skydived into the stadium.

That's what I did. That's what I did. What part did you get? I skydived from 14,000 out of a plane. You for real? Mm-hmm. Nah, I ain't mad. Are you scared? Now look at it.

Now look at all of a sudden. Listen, I don't playing. Are you scared? Now look at it. Now look at all of a sudden. Listen, that's one thing. I don't play in the air. I don't play in the air because there ain't no telling what that parachute might want to do when I choose to get on there and try to jump out that plane. That ain't happening. But it's a Monday night game, and I can't parachute at nighttime anyway. You got to live a little bit.

You got to live. I do. I'm going to let you. Hey, hey, hey, I want you to live. I want you to get outside of your shell. Listen, but that's something I don't like. I want you to live. I want you to get outside of your shell. But that's something I don't like. Come with me to Cabo and swim with killer whales in the wild.

Oh, so you want to be right next to the killer whale? No, I'm going to be in the water, in the wild. They don't attack humans in the wild. It'll be some good moments for us. Just by looking at them attack humans in the wild, then what? I'll be that way like you said. But listen, you'll go out the way you want to, like a legend. No, I don't want to go out the way I want to be a legend.

Oh, Shadow was attacked by killer. That ain't nothing on my appetite. I don't want that on my... You see what I mean? Why don't you live a little? See, I don't want to pass you up no claim. Hey, I live. I came and made an entrance. Think about it. Nobody's ever going to top that one.

Yeah. They're not going to top it, but the fact that it's me in that walk, when I have on them slacks, I'm having them slacks and even a nice little shirt. Yeah, I mean, nice slacks, your 175-pound frame. I mean, you're going to be sharp.

175? Yeah, 175. I'm 205, but listen, I're going to be sharp. You want to say the five? Yeah, what's that? I'm 205, but listen, I'm going to be sharp. Let me tell you. You know how I know you don't wear 205? Because when you walk, your back pocket shake hands. You got to be at least 200 pounds for your back pocket not to shake hands when you walk. Your back pocket

shake hands because you're a buck 60. Don't ever walk. When y'all see you walking, back pocket shaking hands. That's how small he is listen don't do that I'm just saying I'm going to be sharp though I'm going to be sharp

you're going to see everybody 205 I think are you going to become emotional when you give that speech because like you said the statistics said that Ocho wasn't supposed to be here kid from Liberty City the impoverished community city wrote off oh you're not gonna amount to anything look at where you are how you're gonna do this nobody from Liberty City

has done this before what makes you think you're gonna be different you? You know what? I'm the only one. Well, there are others that are doing it that's in the league, but I might be the first to have something like this happen. Oh, that's crazy. But I'm not going to cry. The glands that I have in my body that allow tears to come,

it ain't there. I had those taken out. You're taking them out?'re tear ducts are gone. Yeah. They called tear ducts. Yeah, I took them out when I had surgery a long time ago. Why you laughing?

You don't know because you haven't been in that moment when you hear 70,000 fans and they're saying and you see them drop that, and you see your name, Chad Ochocinco Johnson, 85, and from this year to this year, and the fans are, Ochocinco, Ochocinco. All that what your mom has done to make,

to help you get to this moment. My grandma. Your grandma. Your kids are going to be behind you. Yeah. When they go back and their grandkids and their kids, your grandkids go back to that stadium and they see, that's Papa up there.

Ooh. Yeah, I'm probably, yeah, ooh, ooh. Hey. It's different. That's crazy. probably, yeah, ooh. Hey. It's different. That's crazy. And you see your kids. Because me, my daughter started crying. So now all of a sudden, she starts to feel emotion.

So anytime my kids start to cry, even though when they were getting- They just start flowing. It's a wrap for me. I'm going to tell them. I'm going to tell them. Make sure y'all hold tight. Daddy don't want to become a woman. Y'all hold rap for me. I'm going to tell him. I'm going to tell him. Make sure y'all hold tight. Daddy don't want to become no mean. Y'all hold tight for me.

Daddy don't want to become no mean. Yeah, I probably will, but I'll do my best to hold it in and take in that moment. And you don't understand how dope that is, though, Shannon, for real. And people that are watching, if you understand my story, if you understand where I come from during that time, during the 80s and early 90s in Liberty City, man, boy, it's hard. It's only two ways out, boys,

either the streets or sports. There was no other alternate. Because I wasn't going to be no academic scholar. That ain't me. I'm just being honest. Man, the grandma, grandma, my mama, man, especially my grandma, man, did a hell of a job. I really wish those two could have been there.

And that would probably be what hurt the most. Let's end on this one. The Buffaloes, Coach Prime, take their first loss on the road at Oregon. And we heard Coach Lanning, Oregon's head coach, pregame speech.

They're doing what they do for clicks. We're doing what we do for wins. What did you make of the pregame speech, and are you okay with it? I love Prime. And what Prime has always done and what he's never done is he never changed. He's always been loud and boisterous about how he feels and what he feels, but he's never taken shots at another team, other coaches. What he's done is he's always lifted up his own players, himself, and whoever it is he's a part of at that time. Never say anything about another school's football program. His message has always been about people doubting, about people doubting his team and what they

can do. That's it. That is it. And what scares these coaches at this level, Power Five schools, Powerhouse schools, whatever it may be, these coaches need Deion the field. People home watching this, listen to me close now. I ain't going to preach too often. They need Deion the field because they know recruiting is 90% of the game at this level.

And who's not going to want to come play for Prime? Who's not going to want to come play for Prime? I agree. And it doesn't matter because in that press conference, Prime said one thing. Y'all get your wins now and take advantage because I'm still coming. Because he understands

what he was able to do in such a short amount of time. This is just the beginning. This is just the beginning for him because the recruits, oh, they coming. Right. Oh, they coming. You know, I don't have a problem because we've all been a part of coaches

that have said things. They've made those guys on the other side look like murderers and drug dealers and whatever the case may be. Whatever to get us in a fever pitch to make us want to climb a wall. Oregon should be the last team considering they got 17,000 combination of uniforms, and it was all about clicks. It was all about likes because they weren't winning any games. The problem that I have, I think a lot of it,

is that when I started hearing, when I started seeing on Twitter, is that I think Oregon and Coach Lanning speaks for all of us, or they're doing this for the greater good, and that's coded. You saw that tweet? You saw that tweet? You saw that tweet? I didn't even want to get into the racial undertone of some of the tweets that were being said. What do you mean Oregon speaks for us?

What does us mean? What does us mean? It's the undertone. And the funny thing about it. Ocho, this goes back to probably Jack Johnson, goes back to Muhammad Ali. black confidence drives a lot of people crazy because they want black people to like you got a job you make money you got this position so when muhammad ali spoke about it i'm heavyweight i'm beautiful i'm the greatest

how dare you you don't supposed to do that. When Jack Johnson did what he did. So we try to find ways to silence it. So when prime says, when he was, but like he said, y'all ain't competing against me. Y'all competing against my team. Yeah.

Yeah. So y'all try to take these little personal barbs at me and I have no problem, but then he got to, he got to have time or have time. I hope everybody that's been watching college football, still watching. I'm like, really? Yeah. That's how you everybody that's been watching college football is still watching. I'm like, bro, really?

That's how you really feel about that? It's the thing about it. Prime is built for this. Prime is built for that. They've always talked about Prime because he's always been this way. He understands what comes with the territory. And the funny thing, I want people to understand

about this also, because you've already mentioned Jack Johnson, Muhammad Ali, on the way they carried themselves. This isn't a Dion issue. This isn't about Colorado. This is the issue with whoever is up and winning at that specific moment and in time and getting all the praise and the love. Got to think what Colorado has been able to do or what the prime effect has been able to do.

Wasn't nobody tuning in for Oregon? When's the last time you watched college football and said, oh man, I can't wait to watch Oregon play. I can't wait to see what uniform they need. No. That's all it is. It's basically, you know what, y'all are having too much fun right now.

Let's take our shots. But like Prime said, take them right now while Let's take our shots. But like Prime said, take them right now while you can. Take advantage of it. I think Coach said it best. He says, my confidence impacts your insecurities.

So that's the crux of it. I love the... I've always said when it comes to players like Prime, myself, and others that were very boisterous and flamboyant and express themselves in other ways that other people didn't see fit or people for that matter didn't see fit is I always told people I was never confident. I was convinced. There's a difference. Because I already put the work in. Correct. a difference because i already put the work in

because if i didn't put the work and i wouldn't be doing no talking so i'm talking for a reason so what if i'm talking that lets you know i already and i know what i'm talking about and i know what i'm talking about so i'm not confident i'm not cocky i'm not arrogant i'm not confident i'm convinced there's a huge difference look nobody's shocked. Everybody knew top to bottom Oregon had the better roster. And Coach Prime on first take said, I need seven, eight more dogs. Interior. He says, I'm seven, eight dogs away. Now, he probably going to get 12.

He probably going to get 10 to 15 of them dogs. Yeah. Maybe 20. Recruiting is the name of the game. Yeah. Recruiting is the name of the game. And Coach Prime is great. He's great at being able to go into someone's home and tell them and talk to them and to appeal.

Right. With the truth. Truth. With the truth. Hey. Not the lies. Not the lies to get you to come to this pool. If you're good enough, you're going to play.

Mm-hmm. You don't want to come play for prime. You already know. You already know. Man, you already know what time it is. Yeah. Yes. We're out of time for tonight.

Thank you for joining Nightcap. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85 going into the Ring of Honor, Cincinnati. Check him out tomorrow night night Chad Ocho Cinco I got a question this is a good one we can't end I'm thinking about it so this might be the next step or

this might be a next step if I'm going into the ring of honor and getting a jacket for the accolades and what I've done for the organization in Cincinnati well how about a gold jacket what you think for the accolades and what I've done for the organization in Cincinnati. Well, how about a gold jacket? What you think?

What you think? I mean, you going to say a real estate? I know Connor, Century 21, give out gold jackets. Nah, I'm saying, what you think? You talking about going down the road to Canton? Yeah, because I'm thinking about, you talk about my era receivers, right? Can you talk about my era receivers without mentioning me? How many Pro Bowls you got, Ocho?

How many Pro Bowls you got? Five? Seven? Three-time All-Pro? 11,000? 67 TDs? Answer the question for me. Wait, wait, listen to me.

Listen to me real quick. Listen to me real quick. Yes. Outside of stats alone, the impact I had on the game and transitioning it in a certain way, in an entertaining motherfucking way, way beyond. Stats can't even feel that. Yeah, talk to me now. You were very entertaining, Ocho.

But unfortunately, I don't believe your stats are going to be. They're not good enough? They're not going to be good enough to get you to the Hall. Can I have a question? Can I ask you a question? Yes. Yes. There are many people that are in the Hall that play receiver,

and my stats are way better than theirs, Shannon. I think the thing. So let me see it. Wait, wait, wait. How are you going to move the goalpost? Move the goalpost. No, but here's the thing. And I know some of those guys that are in the 70s

was catching 30 and 40 balls a season. But in your era. So now I got to compare you. Look at the guys. What are their numbers in the era in which you played? So you look at a guy like T.O. was in your era. T.O. had 150. Man, he is the best.

Okay, Marvin Harrison.O. had 150. Man, he is the best. Okay, Marvin Harrison. Okay. I'm just telling those, that's what you get. But look, off the top of my head. You still can't, listen, you can't talk, when you talk about the best receivers in my era, you can't even tell the story without me being a part of it. You can't.

You just can't. Ocho, Ocho. You can't. I think you are very entertaining. You can't. You just can't. Ocho. Ocho. You can't. I think you are very entertaining. You can't. I am listening. Forget the entertaining part. I did.

I did. I did what I was supposed to do on the field, too. Ocho. Ocho. Your numbers are going to be insufficient as far as getting you into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Guess what? Guess what?

Guess what? That's why I made my own jacket. And I don't care. That's why I made my own jacket. I I don't care. That's why I made my own jacket. I ain't got time. Man, look here. Enjoy tomorrow night. It's a very special occasion.

Your family's going to love it. You'll never forget that moment because that's the team saying, you know what? We appreciate everything. The way you carried yourself on and off the field, we appreciate everything that you've done. Job well done, Ocho Cinco. Appreciate it. Congratulations. Wait, we back tomorrow, right?

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