Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Titans beat Dolphins, Giants upset Packers & Unc's named no. 1 most entertaining sports media member

Episode Date: December 12, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Tommy Devito and the New York Giants upsetting Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers, the Tennessee Titans beating the Miami Dolphins, Shannon Shar...pe named Complex's #1 sports media personality and much more! 00:00 - Introduction05:50 - Titans beat Dolphins14:40 - Giants beat Packers32:00 - Andy Reid forgives Kadarius Toney45:00 - Kyle Shanahan gets under DK Metcalf's skin52:00 - Unc wins award from Complez1:02:00 - The influence of big money1:21:30 - Undisputed/First Take opportunity1:30:00 - Much more Nightcap! #Volume #Club  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:58 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite sports uncle, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, Cincinnati Bengal legend, Chad Ochocinco Johnson.
Starting point is 00:03:21 We want to thank you for joining us tonight. Thank you for helping us reach 435,000 subscribers. Make sure you press that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. So therefore you'll be notified every time Nightcap goes live. We don't want you to miss not a single episode.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Please help us out. Make sure you review us on Apple Podcasts because we really, really appreciate your feedback. We'd like to know what we're doing well. What can we do better? That's the only way that we can get better is that our listeners, our viewing listeners, our listening audience give us feedback. Good, bad, or indifferent. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:04:00 All we want to do is improve and make sure we can bring you the best possible podcast as possible. But we really appreciate the positive one. But the negative ones also help us get better, Ocho. We've also pinned the Shade by La Portia link at the top of the chat. Make sure you go out and get yourself a bottle with the holidays right around the corner for you or a loved one. So thank you. I have a bottle right here. I'm going to have me a. I have a bottle right here.
Starting point is 00:04:25 I'm going to have me a little, a little, have a little nightcap, you know what I'm saying? A little nightcap, Ocho, and I'm going to be sleeping like a baby, crying and pooping all night long.
Starting point is 00:04:33 So you don't understand. Well, hold on, hold on, hold on. You're going to be sleeping like a baby. I'm going to have a couple, a couple of this little, this little right here.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Oh, no, no, we ain't sleeping tonight. Well, we're going to be in here for three hours. Also, you know,
Starting point is 00:04:44 a little something right here? You know a little something to hold your boy over? Let me see. You know your boy? Okay. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You know I don't know nothing about no alcohol, man. So you're supposed to just drink, take it to the head, and you sip it.
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Starting point is 00:05:13 So we got some good stuff. Actually, we're going to come out. I probably shouldn't be saying this, but we are going to come out with an XO and an XXO in the very near future. But right now, this is our BSOP, which is top of the line.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Yes. Hey, man, listen is our BSOP, which is top of the line. Yes. Hey, man, listen. God got favor, man. Because you just went into some of everything. I didn't want to say that, Ocho. You know, we... You took it down.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Yeah, yeah. Listen, listen. You went into some everything. We're going to get it... We're going to talk about that a little later in the show. But, God, I ain't know. You know, I don't know
Starting point is 00:05:41 nothing about no... I don't know nothing about no cognac. I don't know nothing about alcohol, period. You know? But the fact that, okay, you know what I should do?
Starting point is 00:05:48 I should try something. Next time you're in L.A.? I'm not going to a game, so hopefully we can go to a game next time you're in L.A. Right. We going to go to a game and say Corsair? Oh, boy. Oh, boy.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Oh, boy. I ain't said courtside at a liquor game in about 22 years now. How about February of 19-never? No, I'm saying you've never said courtside at a liquor game, period, let alone. No, no, no. Remember I told you I said courtside next to Denzel I took my son
Starting point is 00:06:26 my son was maybe eight about eight years old no no lie no lie no lie I know I play around a lot but I sat courtside
Starting point is 00:06:33 with Denzel and matter of fact let me oh you know what this is when it was because Denzel got on me when I was
Starting point is 00:06:41 I was disgruntled with the Bengals organization and I was trying to wiggle my way up out of there and it ain't working. He got on my ass about that bullshit. He got on my ass. I never figured that conversation.
Starting point is 00:06:55 Thank you guys again for joining us. Make sure you click that like button. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. We're at 435,000 subscribers and we could not have done it without you. Ocho, let's jump right into 435. Let's get it. The Titans beat the Dolphins.
Starting point is 00:07:10 They were down by 14 points with three minutes to go. And if I'm not mistaken, teams down by 14 points with three minutes to go in the fourth quarter and lost 767 consecutive games until tonight. minutes to go in the fourth quarter and lost 767 consecutive games. Yeah. Until
Starting point is 00:07:25 tonight. The Dolphins lose 28-27. Tua played terrible the last two drives. That's on him, Ocho. That's on him. He played bad. He played bad. It's 33 and he throws a swing pass seven yards behind the line of scrimmage.
Starting point is 00:07:41 Bro, you push the ball down the field, you get the first down. Why would you throw a six-yard route behind the line of scrimmage. Bro, you push the ball down the field, you get the first down. Why would you throw a six-yard route behind the line so the guy can try to get three yards? He's already down nine yards, Ocho. Yeah, but I mean, we've seen that swing pass, that same pass behind the line of scrimmage, sometimes hit and sometimes go for a long way.
Starting point is 00:08:04 If you're in the first, you got to think about it now. Right. You're in a two minute situation. In actuality, you're in a one minute situation. Time is, time is not on your side because guess what? You get tackled in rounds. Now all of a sudden, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. So there is no benefit in that situation when you're throwing the ball behind the line of scrimmage.
Starting point is 00:08:26 But give the Tennessee Titans credit, though. Give them credit, though. Go ahead. Definitely. Yeah, we will give the Titans credit. But this is one of the reasons, small example, on why a player by the name of Tyreek Hill belongs in the MVP conversation.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Tyreek Hill goes out. They do nothing. And the entire offense completely changes. Yes. And it's different. It's different. The dynamic of the excitement and the energy and the, oh, my God, what's going to happen next?
Starting point is 00:09:01 Or the holding your breath every time they snap the ball because you never know what's going to happen. or the holding your breath every time they snap the ball because you never know what's going to happen right it's out the window it's out the window that that that alone today tonight showed you how special tyreek is to that offense and just the nfl in general on what he brings to the table when he's playing what tonight, Ocho, is when a team gets physical with the Dolphins, they bow down. And we know one thing about the Tennessee Titans and Brable. They are a physical
Starting point is 00:09:33 football team. They might not win some games, but you're going to know you've been in a fight now. You might win the fight, but you don't want to fight them again. You've been in a situation like, oh yeah, I got it, but damn, I don't want to fight him no more. That's what you been in a situation like, oh, yeah, I got it. But damn, I don't want to fight him no more. That's what you get when you play the Tennessee Titans. He's an old school coach.
Starting point is 00:09:49 I played against Braybill. And although he wasn't the most athletic, you knew you had a fight on your hand. He was an old school linebacker. He was tough at the point of attack. He could set the edge. He understood his responsibility. And if he was supposed to be to the flat, he was in the flat. If he's supposed to be hooked, he's going to be in the hook.
Starting point is 00:10:07 If he's supposed to carry you up the seam, he's going to carry you up the seam. And if he's supposed to sit the edge, you're not going to hook him. Every time he was as fundamentally sound as any backer that I've ever faced. And his teams, they don't normally beat themselves. That's that Coach Belichick. And we're like, look, we can't beat ourselves. Yeah, it's hard enough to win football games. It's a lot harder when you beat yourself.
Starting point is 00:10:36 So give them guys credit. Will Levis, 23 of 38, 327, one touchdown, one of the seven. Can you imagine what DeAndre Hopkins could have done for the Kansas City Chiefs? Can you imagine him? Man, listen. Did you? DeHop, DeHop went off tonight. DeHop, DeHop went off tonight.
Starting point is 00:10:56 So, are we under? Yeah. Is it too late? I mean, obviously it's too late. Ain't nothing you can do. I mean, we can't even go on the Chiefs right now because I'm still kind of hurt about the play yesterday. Once you look at it and freeze the frame,
Starting point is 00:11:12 you see just how far offside Kedarious Tony Woods. Yeah, we'll get on that because we're talking about that later on. But when you watch this game and you look at the Dolphins and what we've said, we've said, Ocho, we want to see them step up against competition because anytime they played anybody that was on their level of above, they've lost. Now we see them playing a team in the Tennessee Titans who's fighting, trying to gain some traction and getting to the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:11:42 And they come to their home and down 14 with three minutes to go yeah and beat the dolphins yeah again and there are so many different ways there's so many different things that people can say they can dissect the game they can be critical they can be analytical of the game and say well you're up you're up by 14 you're supposed to win the game my whole thing is i'm going to say is the fact that Tyreek Hill was not playing and the offense sputtered. The offense struggled. They didn't move the ball as efficient up and down the field as I think they should. And the big plays that they're normally used to having, they weren't there.
Starting point is 00:12:19 They weren't there. I'm counting Tyreek maybe two or three goddamn touchdowns. I seen him walking with McDonald's in his hand. I said, you know what? You might as well strike up the van. You might as well strike up the van because he going about 250 or something like that. And when I saw the ankle roll. Ocho, but think about this.
Starting point is 00:12:36 The offense is going to stall. Two or four with the ball at the three-yard line. Going in. But that's not his fault, though. You got somebody missing a goddamn assignment. That dude came through. Somebody missed an assignment. He could, that was a three-step job.
Starting point is 00:12:52 He couldn't even throw the ball. The one thing that we're taught is that don't exacerbate a bad situation. If somebody missed their block, hold on to the ball. The last thing you want to do is that because someone whiffed their block, now all of a sudden you turn it over because in worst case scenario we believe we take
Starting point is 00:13:08 at least three points off the board and you know points are a premium in the league especially this time of year and so that's the one thing but he's always been loose with the ball even when guys are don't come clean
Starting point is 00:13:24 he's always loose with the ball. He has a very – his hands, I don't think his hands are ginormous, but I think he has a problem holding on to the football when he comes in contact with the defender. Yeah. I mean, he was getting ready to throw the ball. He was getting ready to throw it, and he kind of pulled it back just a tad bit, and it was still right to throw the ball. He was getting ready to throw it. And he kind of pulled it back just a tad bit.
Starting point is 00:13:49 And it was still right here at the chest plate. And dude came in the time where it was too late. And he couldn't even put it up. He didn't even have a chance to secure it. Zachary Nunn donated $10 and said, Unc, today you said two of Lamar Jackson for quarterback play. I think it's safe to say Lamar is the best quarterback in the AFC. It's a fluid situation. And what you do,
Starting point is 00:14:08 that's one thing about sports, you have to update your resume. Now, we can't, now, if Tua comes back and throws for, I don't know who they play next week. I think Buffalo, Buffalo plays the Cowboys.
Starting point is 00:14:22 They got the Jets. So if Tua comes back and throws four touchdowns, Lamar throws one touchdown, are we going to go flip-flop? We can't do that. It's a fluid situation based on what we have. But you have to understand, now, if you'd have asked me
Starting point is 00:14:36 that today, of course I would have took Lamar like you're doing. Because I noticed you didn't tweet me this today. You ain't text this today. You got my handle. You never said anything until after the fact. See, you got the great, you got the magnificent sign of hindsight, which is a magnificent sign because you know
Starting point is 00:14:52 based on what has already been discussed. It's easy. Oh, Ocho, man. It's easy to say what you could have done knowing the outcome already. Okay, Ocho, you know how your career played. You say, man, if I'd have done this,
Starting point is 00:15:06 done that, done this, man, ain't no telling how many yards I could have had. Well, yeah, it's easy to do that now. Yeah, that's easy. After the fact. So, we appreciate you watching.
Starting point is 00:15:18 That's all I care about, Zachary. Appreciate you commenting. Appreciate you watching the show. We appreciate that. Entering today, Tua had 24 touchdowns, 14 total turnovers. CJ Stroud had 20 touchdowns, passing touchdowns, 9 turnovers. Lamar Jackson had 16 touchdowns, 12 total turnovers. So coming into tonight, he was 8 touchdowns and 2 turnovers.
Starting point is 00:15:42 He had 8 more passing touchdowns and two more turnovers. So I don't think it's far-fetched to say that Tua had played him to a standstill if not played a little better. Now, I'm not saying that the Dolphins are better than the Ravens. That was a whole different conversation. But again, Zachary, appreciate you watching.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Tommy DeVito, Giants defeat the Packers 24-22. DeVito and the defeat Giants defeat the Packers 24-22 DeVito and the Giants have won three straight games undrafted rookie free agent Tommy DeVito marched the Giants down the field got them in position to kick the game winning
Starting point is 00:16:16 field goal he completed Ojo four straight passes for 53 yards including a 32 yard touchdown a 32 yard pass down the right sideline to Wondell Robinson. The Packers lost Monday night, snapped Green Bay's 16-game win streak in December game. The Packers hadn't lost a December game since week 17,
Starting point is 00:16:37 2018, the final game before Matt LaFleur was hired as head coach. What did you like or what didn't you like about what you saw? Let's go with the Giants. What did you like about what you saw from the Giants besides them winning the game? That's always a positive.
Starting point is 00:16:52 But what did you like about the Giants? Right. I think Tommy DeVito. Tommy DeVito coming in clutch. Tommy DeVito coming in clutch when it mattered most. Obviously, the numbers
Starting point is 00:17:02 weren't staggering throughout the game. He was only 17, but 21 for 158. But when it mattered most. Obviously, the numbers weren't staggering throughout the game. He was only 17 for 21 for 158. But when it mattered most, what did he do? He willed them to win. And obviously, we know in Green Bay, head coach, listen, December, he's missing
Starting point is 00:17:15 December. They don't lose. So, obviously, if you're a gambler man, if you're a bet man, who are you betting on to win the game? Now, I'm sure everybody named my mama, had the Green Bay Packers and Jordan Love to go in there and win because it's the Giants the Giants aren't playing well they haven't really played well all year but Tommy
Starting point is 00:17:32 DeVito has been decent he's been somewhat efficient in trying to will them to wins and that's what he was able to do tonight I don't think it's a stretch but if you look at these last three games it's hard for me to say that Tommy DeVito hadn't played better than Daniel Jones
Starting point is 00:17:49 played at any point three games this year. I'm not saying he's the future. I'm not saying he's the answer. But if you look at any three-game stretch that Jones played this year, and you look at Danny DeVito, Tommy DeVito over the last three games, it's hard, Ocho. it's hard to say he hasn't
Starting point is 00:18:08 played better than Daniel Jones right that's tough, that's tough right there and I think even with Tommy DeVito playing somewhat well and playing somewhat decent, obviously getting the win tonight, that's the same offensive line that's the same offensive line that was criticized
Starting point is 00:18:24 when they said Daniel Jones didn't have time to throw, those are the same offensive line. That's the same offensive line that was criticizing when they said Daniel Jones didn't have time to throw. Those are the same receivers that Daniel Jones was throwing to that Tommy DeVito somehow is finding a way to get them to football. Yes. I have a question. Are you saying that they should make a switch?
Starting point is 00:18:39 I don't think Daniel Jones is coming back this year. And for me, even if he... No, but I said switch. I meant like a actual switch. So you're talking about next year? Well, I think you put the job up. You saw what Kyle Shanahan did.
Starting point is 00:18:55 What did Kyle Shanahan do with Brock Purdy? Didn't he? What did he do? One guy was the third. They moved heaven and earth to get him. Third pick in the draft. The other guy was a seventh rounder. Missed irrelevant.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Okay. He said, guess what? Well, can you still do that? Because the situation is kind of different. You just paid Daniel Jones, I think, for your 98 million or something like that. Can you still do that when you factor in the money? The money part basically tells you Daniel Jones has to be the starter. No, he doesn't have to be the starter.
Starting point is 00:19:23 This is a pay-for-play business. Because think about what the 49ers mortgage. Think about it. They didn't get the compensation back for what they gave up to get him. You know, you gave up, you gave up. I mean, you gave up, what, three ones? A two? How do you get that?
Starting point is 00:19:42 And I think they got, a 5th or 6th from the Cowboys I think they got a 5th or 6th round pick for Trey Lance that's crazy that's one thing about this business it used to be like that the hot dollar guys had to play
Starting point is 00:20:01 no more you always gonna play yeah they got a 4th rounder when they gave up 3 ones to get him right Hot dollar guys had to play. Yeah. No more. No. You're always going to play, yeah. They got a fourth rounder. When they gave up three ones to get him, right? Think about it. They gave up three ones. That's crazy. They got a fourth in return and some other compensation.
Starting point is 00:20:18 But here's the thing. I moved on from him. Tommy DeVito's on a rookie contract. Do you know the pieces that you can put around it? And see, do you remember when I told you about, we were talking about Chicago and Justin Fields? I said, but here's why. Because if you keep Justin Fields,
Starting point is 00:20:37 you're going to have to pay him somewhere between 250 and 300 million because he's going to be in his fourth year of the contract. Yeah, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's going to be in his fourth year of the contract. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He's going to be in the fourth year of his contract, but is Justin Fields in a position to be able to set the market again? And reset the market? That's just the
Starting point is 00:20:55 going rate. That's just the going rate for a quarterback. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. The going rate the top three, top top four top five quarterbacks set the market like that the going rate you have to fall in line based on production they don't just pay you because that's what the market is got his money he got 40 million you think you think you think justin field's gonna take less than $40 million? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:25 You got real quiet. He ain't taking less than $40. Because guess what, Ocho? I signed my deal after he signed his. Inflation, which means the prices goes up. Right. Right. Yeah, but you have to understand,
Starting point is 00:21:39 even with inflation, that is only so much you can ask for because the first thing they're going to point to is they're going to point to your stats, they're going to point to your numbers.'re going to point to your numbers well listen we can't we can't send you too high regards what inflation is because you know we're going to look at your resume we're going to look at your production and what you've done for us now you really don't warrant what you're asking for i don't give a fuck what inflation say i'm just
Starting point is 00:21:58 telling you from the business side of stuff that's why i think look at it going to the rookie because i believe you can build around a guy that's on a rookie contract. And that's playing well. Other pieces around him. Now I can come. I got DJ more. I got Cole commit. Now I can go back.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Cause I'm going to have my pick and I'm going to get Carolinas, which is the number one overall pick. So guess what? Hey, I'll package move my pick. Hey, I come, I come back up and get next year's pick.
Starting point is 00:22:29 I go get Marvin Harrison Jr. I'll pair him with DJ Moore. I'll pair him with Cole Kmet. And now all of a sudden, I've got weapons. Plus, ooh, that's nasty. Yeah, and plus, I believe, based on the situation I think the Giants can use a quarterback I think the Raiders can use a quarterback the Patriots can use a quarterback
Starting point is 00:22:51 the Steelers can use a quarterback there are teams right fans already picketing you talk about Kenny Pickett they're picketing man stop you'd rather have Kenny Pickett, they're picketing. Man, stop.
Starting point is 00:23:09 You'd rather have Kenny Pickett over Justin Fields? You got to give the quarterback three years. No, no, no. They ain't giving the quarterback. No, Dad. You don't arrive to your third year.
Starting point is 00:23:17 You'd rather have Kenny Pickett or Justin Fields? Make it a break a year. I like both of them boys. I like both of them of them you can like somebody as a person but as a quarterback ain't nobody
Starting point is 00:23:29 in their right mind taking Kenny Pickett over Justin Fields I know what they need to do I know what they need to do but I don't mean to be off topic talking about another team and another quarterback
Starting point is 00:23:38 as far as the Steelers go but they need to goddamn get George Pickett as a motherfucking ball I'm sorry for cursing I'm sorry for cursing. I'm sorry for cursing but that's the only way I'm going to get my point across and understanding the talent,
Starting point is 00:23:48 the talent that he is and what I know he can do, especially coming out. They ain't using that young fella the right way, man. Boy, he can change the game. At some point in time, even though you might not get used the right way
Starting point is 00:24:03 and I understand the frustration level, the way he and Deontay Johnson, as Mike Tomlin likes to use, that's not solution-based because that type of behavior is not solving the problems. It's creating and exacerbating more of a problem. Tell me.
Starting point is 00:24:22 I ain't even going to argue the fact. I just understand winning cures all. So how does... Tell me. I ain't even going to argue the fact. I just understand winning cures all. So how does... And you have two players at the receiver position that are extremely, extremely good and can change the game. Those are the type of players that can make...
Starting point is 00:24:41 Ocho froze. I think something happened to his Wi-Fi. Hey, Ocho, pay think something happened to his wifi damn Ocho pay your cable bill did you not put your credit card on file for incidentals damn I think he used the cheapest internet service he paid $20 to get the upgrade Ocho right now as you can see Ocho is having a little technical difficulties with his wifi.
Starting point is 00:25:05 But I think Ocho's, what he's trying to say is that Deontay Johnson and, uh, George Pickens, they're frustrated. Uh, they're not getting the football, but they're the type of guys that can,
Starting point is 00:25:15 given the football, he believes they can solve a lot of the ills and the issues that's going on with the Steelers offense. They can't. But I don't understand how moping and pouting, I don't understand how that helps the problem. That's my only thing. I just believe there's a right way and a wrong way to handle everything.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Having played the game, and I get it. Everybody is not, everybody is, you know, handle situation and crises, or I wouldn't even consider this a crisis, but everybody handles situations different. And the way I handle situations might not be the way Ocho handles situations, might not be the way A receiver
Starting point is 00:25:55 or B receiver or C receiver at someplace else, how they handle that situation. But I just, you know, my thing was always try to remain positive, make sure that, try to lead by example understanding that hey yeah I want to catch the football and I do believe that I can you know given the opportunity I can make plays but it doesn't always work out like that so we'll see how we'll see what happens with the Steelers but right now they got bigger issues than wide receivers their quarterback play has been abysmal.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Kenny Pickett, I do not believe is the answer. Like I said, I believe the Steelers fans are ready to picket him playing. And Trubisky is not much better. And the mere fact that someone thought that Mitchell Trubisky was better than Deshaun Watson when they played in the same conference. And Deshaun Watson went to back-to-back national championship games and won the final in a walk-off play. You see Patrick Mahomes, I understand the Chiefs.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Now that was a big risk for the Chiefs moving up from 27 to 10 to take Patrick Mahomes. But Andy saw something, says, you know what, with this guy, we can really expand this offense because they were really good with Alex Smith. You know, they had Tyreek, had Travis Kelsey. They had some players, but they said, you know what? We can be Kareem Hunt. We can even be better if we had a quarterback that's willing to push the ball
Starting point is 00:27:13 down the field. You know, I used to call Alex Smith Checkdown Alex. But when they got Patrick Mahomes, this offense went to another level. We got Ocho back yet? Ocho, log off and log back on. See what's going on with Ocho.
Starting point is 00:27:32 Well, until Ocho gets back, Deshaun Jackson is feeling disrespected by the Eagles. D-Jack, number 10, is currently being warned by a punter. D-Jack told Kay Adams, man, you see that? That's disrespectful, low-key. You got a punter wearing D-Jack told Kay Adams, man, you see that? That's disrespectful, low-key. You got a punter wearing D-Jack's number? Oh my gosh, man. I guess I'm not as special as I thought I was.
Starting point is 00:27:54 I don't necessarily believe it's that, D-Jack, but I mean, did you want him to, you know, there's only I think, what, 10 jerseys that's retired? I think there's only 10 jerseys. I mean, did you want him to, you know, there's only, I think, what, 10 jerseys that's retired? I think there's only 10 jerseys. I mean, you're looking at Reggie White. You're looking at Tom Brokshaw.
Starting point is 00:28:11 You're looking at Donovan McNabb. You're looking at, rest his soul, excuse me, rest his soul, Reggie White also. Concrete Charlie, Chuck McNerrick, rest his soul. Jerome Boogie Brown. We know what tragically happened. He was well on his way. He was one of the premier defensive linemen when he tragically lost his life in a car accident. Van
Starting point is 00:28:34 Buren. I think he still has the record for the most passing yards in the game, right? 554? I think that's the record. I mean, look, I get it it all of us that you know we played and we had success at a at a at a at a team sometimes we overvalue ourselves and sometimes i think we think we're more important than than we actually are but i do think d jack is worthy
Starting point is 00:29:00 of being in the ring of fame um ring of honor, and I think that's going to happen, but D-Jack, don't take it as a slight, because the year I left, they gave my number, they gave 84 away too. I was a four-time first-team All-Pro, seven Pro Bowls, and a two-time Super Bowl champ, and they gave my number
Starting point is 00:29:20 to a guy, so it happens, D-Jack. Don't let that ruffle your feathers, bro. You were a great Eagles player player uh you long to be remembered um an all pro at two different positions uh you all pro at wide receiver and punt returner in the same season not very many guys can say that so you have a lot to be proud of for what you accomplished in in in philly and so they're gonna love you um and i promise you every time they see the number 10, they're thinking D-Jack. Even though somebody is wearing that number,
Starting point is 00:29:51 they're definitely thinking Deshaun Jackson. Is he back yet? Can we see what's going on? We reached out. Kyle Shanahan targeted DK Metcalf. Kyle Shanahan encouraged his players to try to set DK off and try to get him to lose his cool in Sunday's game.
Starting point is 00:30:10 Shanahan even prepared a set of video clips for his team that showed DK losing his cool in previous games. Shanahan told his players, we will get 14 to lose his mind. Christmas present for whomever gets it. Wow. And I think DK understands that he's going to have to do a better job of controlling his
Starting point is 00:30:32 temper because that's the word on the street. You can get DK frustrated and get him to get unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and there's never a situation in which an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty helps your team. Actually, it hurts your team.
Starting point is 00:30:49 And in that situation, he got kicked out of the ballgame. And I understand he took a starting corner with him, but I think DK is a bigger loss than D'Amador or Lenore. And you have to understand that. You have to understand the risk-reward. They're losing their second, third corner. You're losing your number one receiver. But DK's definitely going to have to do
Starting point is 00:31:11 a better job of controlling his temper. And I get the frustration and I get that he didn't know that Warner, Fred Warner, had actually laddered the football. He's just trying to tackle it. Is that holiday time of year again?
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Starting point is 00:33:30 You got me? Yeah, yeah, man. The Wi-Fi here in the hotel done cut off, man. Yeah, I keep telling you. Go ahead and update. Look, you could upgrade Wi-Fi in the hotel for $20. You keep trying to dig the introductory Wi-Fi. No, not here.
Starting point is 00:33:46 That's not where I'm at. That's not where I'm at. I'm staying at a little motel. You could upgrade the Wi-Fi for an additional $20 instead of the introductory Wi-Fi. But they don't have that to
Starting point is 00:34:01 choose from on the menu. They don't have that to choose from on the menu. But don't have that to choose from on the menu. But I apologize to y'all that's my bad. I'm always trying to find loopholes. I keep telling you, be as cheap as you want to, but don't be cheap to yourself. Well, I'm going to always be cheap to myself.
Starting point is 00:34:20 That's why I'm finding myself in these predicaments like this. I apologize. But you robbing our fans. That's 10 minutes our fans didn't get to go back and forth between you and I. Right, but you know what's going to happen. We're going to get our fans 10 more minutes back than they just missed. No, we're not going to do that. Yes, I do.
Starting point is 00:34:38 You ain't got nowhere to go. Before you left, I... Yeah. Oh, no, we got to go to the uh andy reed andy reed uh said cadarious tony didn't check with the official although it did look like he did look to his left and check with the official yeah but he did he did he should have waited he would he should have waited for the the official to confirm i actually when cadararius came out and pointed to the official I saw the other angle, right? But all Kadarius had to do was
Starting point is 00:35:10 he looked so damn fast when he lined up, he should have looked back one more time. Actually, from the clip I saw as a receiver, you can see you know that. You can see the ball a little bit, You know that. You can see he covered the ball a little bit.
Starting point is 00:35:25 So, I think he would never, the problem, he won't have it again. Obviously, you don't make that type of mistake twice, even though it shouldn't happen because, you know, you own the ball. But it's very unfortunate for the Chiefs. You know, and when I saw that angle, I'm like, oh, shit, he did check with the ref.
Starting point is 00:35:40 But he was so far over the ball. He checked with the ref. But here's the thing. Normally, like, when you're outside the numbers, you ask, he can say 85, back up. Johnson, you can hear you right there. But he was so far.
Starting point is 00:35:53 You don't think it's up to the ref to at least acknowledge or scream 819, back up. In that situation, you're not going to be able to hear because he's so tight to the formation and the referee, that's the side judge. So he's on the sideline.
Starting point is 00:36:09 But like they said, we can give you a warning and say, but ultimately it's your responsibility to line up onside. And plus the thing is, if you notice, he's looking down. He can see the ball. He can, oh, he's like looking. And I think Andy Reid Reid once he saw how far
Starting point is 00:36:28 he was over he came back and changed his tune now that's not to say the NFL didn't call him and say Andy you DA you DA on this one you DA on this one now we go yeah yeah we gonna tag you a little bit but you wrong because your guy was
Starting point is 00:36:44 off sides but he said Andy Yeah, yeah, we're going to tackle you a little bit, but you're wrong because your guy was offside. But he says, Andy says, I won't be giving up on Kadarius Toney. He makes plays when he has the ball in his hand, and that's important. He's a young guy. He doesn't have a ton of experience, but I think he's getting better every week. How about some guys that came out? What about Jamar Chase?
Starting point is 00:37:04 Have you ever heard his head coach say anything about he's not he's a young guy and he doesn't have a ton of experience you ever heard that what about Devontae
Starting point is 00:37:12 Devontae Smith was in that draft what about Jalen Waddle yeah everybody growth and everybody experience and the way they mature and play the game
Starting point is 00:37:24 everybody's different in the way they go about it Armand St's different in the way they go about it. Armand St. Brown. In the way they go about it. But I do know... Ocho. That motherfucker, that nice player. Ocho, but this is what I want.
Starting point is 00:37:32 Nice. Think about it now. He's a first-round pick, and the team that originally drafted gave up on him after 22 games. Ocho, they not giving up. You just said, make that money. They got to keep you a little longer.
Starting point is 00:37:44 They not giving up on a first... Ocho, and not giving up. You just said make that money. They got to keep you a little longer. They not giving up on the first Ocho. And you Brian Dayball? Name one player that you've ever heard something that could have gotten along with Brian Dayball or has something negative to say about Brian Dayball. Right. At some point in time...
Starting point is 00:38:02 Listen, young Bull, young Bull, young bull, young bull, nice, man. Young bull is gangster. He nasty with it, with the ball in his hands. I think the only thing
Starting point is 00:38:10 stopping him right now is just a little bit of confidence because when he on... But can he keep the ball in his hands? He's special with it. He's special with it. We just need it to be consistent. Once we get a consistent Cadareous Tony,
Starting point is 00:38:21 man, shit, hell. Watch out, man. I'm just telling you. I believe you. I'm telling you. I know we see, listen, we see flashes of it and then we have moments
Starting point is 00:38:33 like what we had last night. You know, the offside, sometimes we get the occasional drop here and there. But man, with that boy his own, I'm not going to take nothing, listen, I'm not going to take nothing from him.
Starting point is 00:38:43 I just know with the only on. When I saw a flash, I guess it was a falling star or something. But I need something to shine bright all the time, Ocho. Right, right, right, right. Listen, I mean, he trains and works for it to shine bright all the time. You know, sometimes it just don't happen like that for us. Sometimes it don't happen like that for us. You know what Ocho here is the thing.
Starting point is 00:39:05 It's the same mistakes, Ocho. What is it that he's missing? It's the same mistakes. He's consistently making the same mistakes. So he is consistent. It's just making mistakes. Little structural discipline goes a long way
Starting point is 00:39:25 He gonna get it He gonna get it right Young fella Young fella now Cause you know When you was a young pup Now you made mistakes Don't do that
Starting point is 00:39:32 I remember you I remember when you was 25 Oh how old was I He might not be that old Probably about 23 He probably came out early That's it Wait
Starting point is 00:39:41 That's it Oh man 23 man shit well you know what I was doing when I was 23 hopefully not making those kind of mistakes
Starting point is 00:39:50 yeah yeah same mistakes when I was 23 in Cincinnati I'd never forget uh what else I missed
Starting point is 00:40:03 you missed uh yeah you got your TV on What else I missed? You missed... Yeah. You got your TV on. You got your TV on? Your TV. Your TV. My who? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:15 Can you turn it off? Yeah. Yeah. Why? How you know? Yes. That's bad? Ocho, can you please turn your TV off?
Starting point is 00:40:24 I wouldn't be asking for my help Okay, hold on Oh, you can see the reflection It's blinking, huh? You can hear it too But anyway It wasn't on It was muted
Starting point is 00:40:44 We hear everything, Ocho. We good. We good now. A lot better. But I just think the thing is that, look, I understand, yes, they're going to be growing pains. But Ocho, if you keep making the same mistakes, either one or two things, either you having a problem learning
Starting point is 00:40:58 or you saying F it, which is I need to get to the root of the problem. That's all I'm saying. Right. The root of the problem is doing it in practice and then just having it translate over into the game. Because when you do it in practice, you're doing it to obviously have the results in game. Sometimes you make mistakes.
Starting point is 00:41:21 Sometimes you drop balls. Sometimes, like we saw, you line up in a very important moment and, you know, people see it as a bonehead play, something that we learn in P.B. football, how to line up and not cover up the ball. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Why did you practice?
Starting point is 00:41:38 Yes, sir. Yes. Why did you practice? Why did you guys practice to get better at my craft to get better at my craft and so i can go out there and execute the game plan on the way i looked at practice i didn't practice so i got it right i practiced so i couldn't get it wrong right there is a difference between the two that's a good one right and you have to And you have to be able
Starting point is 00:42:07 because at practice, Ocho, you're never going to be able to simulate what's transpiring in the game. The 80,000 fans, the bumping, the officials. I mean, we have officials in training camp, but once the training camp's over with, we don't have officials at practice anymore, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:42:23 So now I need to get myself in the right frame of mind. And I think the thing is, the thing that Mike, man, you make the same mistake twice with Mike, what the hell the pain? He do something to you?
Starting point is 00:42:41 Because he's going to ask you, he'll say, so what did you do last night that got your mind focused that you can't focus on what you got going on right now? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:55 There's only one way to do it, Ocho. Remember what I used to say all the time, get good or get gone. Now, what you want to do, you're going to get good or you want to get gone? Because we're going to tolerate you until we can replace you. And that's with anything. That's in any job or any relationship.
Starting point is 00:43:12 You know, sometimes a female will let a guy talk to her any kind of way. A male will let a female talk to him any kind of way. And they'll tolerate said behavior. And then all of a sudden, they can find somebody to step in. Boom. Why? Well, what? I'm good. Yeah. Hey, listen.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Everything is replaceable in life. Whether you're in business, whether you're in sports, whether you're in relationships. And a lot of people feel that they're not replaceable. But the man upstairs will humble you real quick. Yes.
Starting point is 00:43:50 You know this. Especially after a certain period of time, they're looking for your replacement. They're looking for it. Unless you're one of these elite players, they're looking for your replacement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then once you're one of these elite, elite players. They looking for your replacement. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:07 And then once you get to a certain age, you can be elite. And they still looking for your replacement. Looking for your replacement. Yeah. That's business. That's the nature of the business. D-Jack is feeling disrespected by the Eagles. I talked about this earlier, but I wanted to get your take.
Starting point is 00:44:21 D-Jack's number 10 jersey is currently being worn by the punter Brandon Brandon Mann. Brandon Mann. D-Jack told Kay Adams, man, you see that? And that's kind of, that's disrespectful low-key. You got a punter wearing D-Jack's number? Oh my gosh, man. I guess I'm not as special as I thought I was, man.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Yeah, man. D-Jack and what he did for the city of Philadelphia, man, during his time And his tenure there In Philadelphia Yes Was elite You know He was a very
Starting point is 00:44:49 Very very Very dynamic player One of the few players In the NFL During his time Where when the ball Is coming his way Yeah he wanted to
Starting point is 00:44:57 Drop by They're very few players Ever Ocho And Of all Of all time Yes The real
Starting point is 00:45:04 Motherfucking Holy field He's the real motherfucking Holyfield he's the real deal so I understand how he feels and why he feels that way you know I'm kind of different though I don't really like the comparison because I think D-Jack
Starting point is 00:45:19 to me is a much better player so I understand where the where the where the where the bothersome comes from and allowing someone else to even wear the 10. But do the Philadelphia Eagles
Starting point is 00:45:30 retire jerseys? I think they got 10 players retired. They got Donovan McNabb. You know, they got Reggie White. They got Steve Van Buren. They got Tom Brookshaw. I know you don't remember Tom Brookshaw,
Starting point is 00:45:42 but CBS was the first crew to have. But him and Summer, all those guys. So they used to have a lineup doing color. They got Jerome. They got Boogie Brown. Jerome Brown. You know what? He tragically lost his life in 92 a couple of weeks, a week or a couple of days before his birthday in a car accident.
Starting point is 00:46:01 his birthday in a car accident. Man. They got Concrete Charlie, rest his soul, Chuck McNary, the last two-way player, Reggie White, rest his soul, the minister of defense. But the way
Starting point is 00:46:17 for me, I remember when I left Denver in 2000, I was a seven consecutive Pro Bowls, four first-team All-Pros, and two-time Super Bowl champ. And I found out they gave my number to a wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:46:32 But no matter who gets an 84, you go ask anybody in Denver, 84, they would talk about that Shannon Sharpe number. So I don't care who they put in that number. I don't care who they put in it. Right. Bronco country Shannon and 84
Starting point is 00:46:50 so yeah I get D-Jack and that's what I said earlier Ocho is that no matter who they put in 10 D-Jack is 10 for them it's synonymous with him.
Starting point is 00:47:06 Yeah. Same thing with 85. I think 85 is his net. I mean, honestly, I do, Ocho. Oh, you think you see Isaac Curtis? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's fine. Ain't nothing wrong with that because he's the original 85.
Starting point is 00:47:19 Okay, that's fine. That's fine. But you have to understand, Ocho, like I said, I'm old enough to remember Isaac Curtis. Ain't nothing wrong with that. I remember. I did my homework before remember Isaac Curtis. Ain't nothing wrong with that. I remember. I did my homework before I got there.
Starting point is 00:47:29 I did my homework. I know about it. He was the real deal. Let's see here. What else we got? Oh, check this out. Kyle Shanahan targeted DK. Kyle encouraged his players
Starting point is 00:47:38 to try to set DK off and try to get him to lose his cool in Sunday's game. Shanahan even prepared a set of video clips for his team that showed DK losing his cool in Sunday's game. Shanahan even prepared a set of video clips for his team that showed DK losing his cool in the previous game.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Shanahan told his players, we'll get 14 to lose his mind. Christmas present for whomever gets him. Ocho, did you ever play against a guy or team that you knew you could exploit? You know what? That's a great question. I like the way you said that.
Starting point is 00:48:06 Obviously, Marvin Lewis didn't have any film or any stuff like anything like that to show us. But what I did do was I played mental gymnastics. I did as much talking throughout the week. I did as much talking as I could in pregame to try to get in guys' heads. If I can get you to engage with me in any way, whether it be nice, whether it be mean, then I know I'll have you beat
Starting point is 00:48:28 a little bit. That gives me a little edge mentally. Physically, you might be better than me. But I need to beat you in the middle game. That's where I'm going to win. I'm going to beat you
Starting point is 00:48:36 in the middle game. If I can get in your head just a little bit and throw you off for real, just a tad bit, that means I got you. And that's the way I went about it. As far as, I mean, you got to understand the defenses I had to play against.
Starting point is 00:48:48 Man, the 2,000 Ravens, them 2,000 Steelers. Man, even the Cleveland Browns back then, man, them boys were the real deal. So I needed them to be angry. I needed you to be mad and trying to hurt me. That means you're not playing smart football. You trying to kill. You know, you trying to hurt me. That means you're not playing smart football. You're trying to kill. You know, you're trying to knock my head off. And that gives me an advantage and it gives me somewhat of an edge.
Starting point is 00:49:10 Because you're playing wild and free and reckless. As long as I'm technically sound, I'm going to be okay. Yeah. And that's the way I went about it. I think the thing is that DK has a history of getting unsportsmanlike conduct. I think the thing is that DK has a history of getting unsportsmanlike conduct. And so until he gets that under control, guys are going to try to bait him because normally it's a situation. OK, he got thrown out of the game.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Dumbledore, Lenore got thrown out. Yeah, that's not equal. That's not equal value. And plus, he has to understand Lenore. It's like, man, even though we're already down Ward, man, we get DK out of here. Oh, we good. We Gucci. Yeah. It evens back up.
Starting point is 00:49:54 And that was the thing, Ocho. See, for me, it's easy because guys want to shut me down to say, I got to pick off Shannon Sharp. Or I didn't let him catch a pass. So the guy carried me up the scene. You ain't getting nothing, Sharp. I said, but you
Starting point is 00:50:10 got the flat. You see TD? TD running. You're worried about what I got. I ain't supposed to. I'm clear. Oh. Give him a nod. I give him a move to the post. You got the corner. Why you biting the move when you got the safety and you're in cover one?
Starting point is 00:50:27 The safety gonna knock my head off. You undercut the route, I'm going back to the cover. Uh-oh. See? Because you so caught up in trying to shut me down. Anxious.
Starting point is 00:50:39 Now you getting out of your responsibility. But we play certain teams that we already know we going to the game. We gonna get an unsportsmanlike that we already know. We go into the game. We're going to get an unsportsmanlike conduct against Kansas City. We're going to get the Raiders. Oh, we already knew.
Starting point is 00:50:52 We already know it's going to happen. Shut up. You suck, too. He suck. You suck. All y'all suck. Man, shut up, Sean. You talk too much.
Starting point is 00:51:02 Well, do something about it. You ain't going to do nothing. All y'all going to do is talk. Y'all talk. Watch this right here. Oh, Sean. You talk too much. Well, do something about it. You ain't going to do nothing. All y'all going to do is talk. Y'all talking. Watch this right here. Oh, man. I ain't need to score. I love that.
Starting point is 00:51:11 I love that. Because now, because I'm all tired. Because normally, I'm going to have to run away. I won't TD. I won't ride the score. So now, I got all the oxygen in my lungs. So now, I'm just talking the whole I'm in your ear
Starting point is 00:51:26 told y'all y'all suck you talking like you like that you not you not now see me you lucky he got you now see you keep talking to me you gonna find your name on the waiver while come Monday now keep talking
Starting point is 00:51:42 keep talking now watch what I do to you talk yeah you see you you talk you talk a different type of trash you know mine was more of a it's hard to explain it was more of an entertaining I'm a I'm a jig at you and jig at you but not in a negative way not in a malicious way I'm trying to hold a conversation with you man how the family how the kids doing man? How the kids doing? Man, you and the wife, you and the wife doing good? If I can get you to engage in any type of conversation with me,
Starting point is 00:52:12 I was just playing my games. I was just playing my games, and it worked. I had the time to work. I got into it with the linemen, rest his soul, Cortez Kennedy. Man, me and Tez used to be going back and forth. As soon as the game over, Sean, man, you crazy.
Starting point is 00:52:28 How your brother doing? How your family doing? But we going back and forth. Same thing with Chester McLaughlin. Rest his soul. Man, I used to go, hey, see, I got into it normally with the linemen, the D linemen, because they was really the only ones that would go back and forth with me.
Starting point is 00:52:43 So, but our offensive linemen would get upset because now they're teeing off on them. I ain't got to block them. Yeah. See, I got in trouble like that, too. I'd never forget, man. I'd never forget. When we played the Ravens, you know, I like to go argue with Joey Porter. I like to go argue with Joey Porter.
Starting point is 00:53:02 Okay. Oh, you talking about Bart Scott? And argue with Ray Lewis. No, with Bart, with Ray. And I used to mess with the linemen. Haloti Nata. Peter Boulware. Peter Boulware there.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Yeah. Listen, I like to go talk trash to them during the TV timeout. I'm never in my huddle. I'm all in the Ravens or the Steelers huddle. And Big Willie had to get on me over and over and over. Ocho, man, get over here, man. You don't have to deal with them. You amping them up and ramping them up.
Starting point is 00:53:34 We got to deal with them. Ain't nothing wrong with that, Ocho. I'm like, man, it's cool. Hey, Big Willie, baby. They put their pants on one leg at a time, just like we do. I had to celebrate a little bit. Shannon. Shannon Sharp was number one. What did you celebrate?
Starting point is 00:53:50 What happened? Complex, most entertaining sports media personalities. I was one. Stephen A was two. Charles Barkley was three. Pat McAfee was four. Shaq was five. Cameron and Mason was six.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Gilbert Arenas was seven. J.J. Reddick was eight. Michael Irvin was nine. And Mina Kav was six. I mean, ten. Those were the top ten. Yeah. Hey, we finna celebrate.
Starting point is 00:54:14 Hold on, hold on. We finna celebrate. Hold on. Huh? We finna celebrate. Oh, you know what they say? They say brand is dandy, but liquor's quicker. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:25 Yeah. Yeah. Well, they say a loophole is better. But I don't know. That's it. I'm going to get somebody's donut, though. You know what, Ocho? It wasn't no liquor that killed old Bill. It didn't even take his breath.
Starting point is 00:54:40 A little green harness went up Bill's nose and tickled old Bill to death. But you know, it is. I know. Nice and smooth. Congratulations. You know, I like to get by the fireplace. You know, you don't really turn the fireplace on in California. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:56 But, you know, you sit by the fireplace and you sit back and you reflect. Yeah. You reflect. And I know. Right. Yeah. I understand that 2023 didn't get off to the best start for me there are a lot of things that was going on the situation that happened at the lakers
Starting point is 00:55:11 game what was going on me with undisputed but i remember and i tweeted this and if y'all go back and look you can see i said 2023 gonna be my year because i my sister sent me a quote she said if you if you kneel before god, he will stand for you. And if he stands for you, no one can stand against you. But this couldn't be possible without you. Look, I would be remiss if I didn't mention my six years and nine months at Undisputed and Skip giving me an opportunity because that's kind of where it started. I was able to to to formulate a personality, become relatable. And so I really appreciate Undisputed and Skip giving me that opportunity. And then Steve and A come in.
Starting point is 00:55:52 And I've only worked with Steve and A for about four months. And him giving me an opportunity. And if you notice, I'm getting more and more comfortable. So I'm starting to be more and more like the Shannon that they saw in Undisputed. And then you and I get together. You and I have been working together for a little over three months. And so there's a lot that went into this. And although I'm number one, I couldn't have done this without Skip.
Starting point is 00:56:14 I could not have done this without Stephen A. And I couldn't. We number one. Next year, that's what needs to happen. That's what needs to happen. We need to look look Cam and Mason here as a duo they're actually they're the only duo on here
Starting point is 00:56:29 so we definitely need to be and I got no problem with that Kelsey we gonna be number one next year Kelsey the Kelsey brothers are 21 so they're the only brothers they're the only combo everybody else are individuals
Starting point is 00:56:45 and so we gonna be number one now cause what we doing right now is sitting in such a short amount of time at the rate and the pace that we going even after
Starting point is 00:56:56 you got honorable mention Ocho honorable mention I got honorable mention yeah honorable mention Candace Parker, Matt Barnes and Stack,
Starting point is 00:57:07 Marshawn Lynch, the Manning Brothers, and Jeff Teague. I got honorable mention. Boy, I ain't never won that in life, but I'll take that. You got honorable mention after three months. Imagine after you get an entire year up under your belt of doing this. And we
Starting point is 00:57:24 do what we do, because we're only going to get better because we put this thing together last minute and really had no knowledge because yeah i know i knew you but we haven't spent a whole lot of time around each other so the chemistry that we've developed we've developed that on the, listen, the chemistry was already there now. We cut from the same clock. So when you look at it and you look at what we've been able to do thus far, like I said, the time that I spent on Undisputed, Jamie Horowitz, who's one of my bosses over at The Volume,
Starting point is 00:58:00 when they came down, he's like, hey. And he said, you're going to be a star. He said, with your quick wit, your hard work, you're going to be great. Stephen A. says, look, my job is to take you to a level to make you bigger than what you already are. And if I can't do that, I failed you. He told me that he said I'm gonna make sure however big you are currently my job is to make sure you're 2X
Starting point is 00:58:29 3X that if you were to decide to leave and then getting you yes well hold on hold on now I wanna be double XL2 now so
Starting point is 00:58:39 y'all gonna bring me on board you got this doing this think about it yeah yeah oh on the yeah three months Y'all gonna bring me on board? You got this doing this. Think about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:49 Three months. Yeah. So imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Two months. We've been doing this since September. We in the third month now. We lost the channel two months ago, but we've been doing this since September.
Starting point is 00:59:02 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Shit. I want to be big, too. I want to be big too i want to be famous yeah shit i want to rub shoulders but you look at it you look at the guys i mean obviously for me charles barkley is the guy that i looked at because charles is from alabama and i said rural alabama hell everything in alabama is rural it ain't no ain't no city parts of Alabama. Everything in Alabama is rule. But it was him that
Starting point is 00:59:26 could be his authentic self. He played the sport. He didn't have a problem criticizing players, even though players, it rubbed some players the wrong way. And I know he takes
Starting point is 00:59:38 a lot of criticism because he never won a championship. But I'm a firm believer, Ocho, you can be a great player and not win a championship. Greatness. Yeah. Right. And so firm believer, Ocho, you can be a great player and not win a championship. Greatness. And so for me,
Starting point is 00:59:48 I mean, you're looking at one. I look at Pat McAfee and I look at the model which he was able to do. He's a punter. Punters don't normally ascend to the level of which he's ascended to. And to see him go from doing his little thing in his basement
Starting point is 01:00:03 and having a little this and that, and all of a sudden he has 2.3 million subs. And also he's taking a model that's taken him going from digital to taking it to linear television. So you look at him. And so for me, I'm like, I want Pat McAfee, having been around him a little while and talked to him, I want him to succeed to show that this model can be successful. So the bigger, so the more successful he becomes, that let guys that's in the space like you and I,
Starting point is 01:00:31 that hey, maybe there's a potential run that we could, but if it doesn't happen, Ocho, I'm cool with this being, I'll be in our home right here. Right. But no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:00:44 But that's not, that's not how it's going be i've already foreseen the future but here's the thing i already know what's gonna happen anything you touch anything you touch anything i've touched anything you've ever touched it turns a goal whatever vision you have it always comes into fruition that's just that's just the way that's just the way god works god has favor he's always had favor for you and he's always had favor for me. Now, when you put both of us together, now the dynamic duo and what we've been able to create
Starting point is 01:01:09 in such a short amount of time needs to be a study done at Harvard because it's never been done this fast before. Ocho, but here's the thing. What we do on Nightcap is not cut out for linear television because if we take Nightcap to linear television,
Starting point is 01:01:23 we're going to have to dilute it too much. And that takes a... Ocho, listen to me, Ocho. I'm telling you how linear television works. We can do this because we own digital. You think we can talk about what we talk about on television?
Starting point is 01:01:40 Yes. Can I say something? We could change the motherfucking landscape of linear television by not changing. They're not going to, Ocho, you think they're going to let us
Starting point is 01:01:53 talk about what I said about Meg Thee Stallion or what we talked about Miss Nasty B? Ocho, come on now. That's what TV is missing, Unc. They missing the real, they missing the real us.
Starting point is 01:02:05 You know, they missing the real us. That's why digital, you know, they missing authentic, organic material and content. That's what we need. We need to take a stand and get on linear TV and just be us. I'm going to let you take your stand
Starting point is 01:02:16 and you go to linear television. I'm going to stay right here on YouTube with this or we're going to have to get a different, we're going to have to do something else. But Nightcap in its form currently does not exist on linear television. Right.
Starting point is 01:02:28 And it's okay. Look at Howard Stern. Okay. All right. Howard Stern ain't been on linear. And when you see what- Hey. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Yeah. That's a big boy there, man. It's okay. Yeah. You know, digital, they pay money too.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Right. And you're getting more things. You get the Amazons. You get the Netflix. You know, digital, they pay money too. And you're getting more things. You get the Amazons. You get the Netflix. You get the Hulus. Hey, you got the YouTube. YouTube just purchased the NFL, the rights for 10 years. So it's okay.
Starting point is 01:03:00 For me, I'm cool. I'm cool with it. Yeah, I'm cool. I'm cool with it. Yeah, I feel you. But I think I just don't like the fact that we can't be on linear television and actually be organic ourselves because of the era. Yeah, I know. But that's what TV need. That's what TV need. They need that raw, uncut, uncensored.
Starting point is 01:03:24 Just they need, I'm not rude. I just say what everyone else is thinking. Yeah, see? That's what we need right there. We got it right here. We got it right here, Ocho. That's what we need right there. We got it right here.
Starting point is 01:03:35 Think about this, Ocho. I feel you. I feel you. I'm just saying. I'm looking at the bigger picture. I'm looking at the bigger picture. You know Mr. Beast? He does $60 million a year.
Starting point is 01:03:48 And he ain't on linear television. Oh, yeah, he nice. And they've been asking him to go to linear. He said, no, I'm good right here. Right. Let's not. They'll try to shame him up, though. What do you think they're going to do with us?
Starting point is 01:04:01 You think they're going to let us talk about the topic that we talk about? How we talk about it? You think I was going to let us talk about the subject that we talk about? How we talk about it? You think I was going to... You think I'm going to be able to say a word of the three? You think I'm going to be able to say saloon doors? Deep, hard, and continuous. Come on, Joe, man. We got to be real in our assessment.
Starting point is 01:04:20 I wasn't... Okay, okay, okay. I was just saying, if we never knock the door down, it ain't gonna never open. Guess what? I got you. I'll build a house around the door. We ain't gotta knock it down.
Starting point is 01:04:32 We gonna build a structure around the door that's erect already. Check this out, Ojo. The heir to the retail empire, Hermes. That's how it's pronounced. Hermes. Hermes. He's planning to adopt
Starting point is 01:04:46 his 51-year-old gardener so he can pass his $11 billion fortune to him. He's the grandson of the founder of the fashion giant who owns 5.7% of the country.
Starting point is 01:05:04 I mean, excuse me, the company. Yes. Nicholas Puch. Puch. Nicholas Puch. Wait. So he's given a small percentage of the money to the Gardner? $1 billion. He wants to adopt
Starting point is 01:05:22 him so he can leave $11 billion to the Gardner. He has, he doesn't have kids, but he has siblings. And see, and I want to see what you have to say about this. Sometimes people think because you're blood,
Starting point is 01:05:38 but sometimes people that are not blood will treat you better than people that you share a bloodline with. And then there's an expectation where I'm your blood, no matter how bad I should treat you, I treat you, yeah. I'm entitled.
Starting point is 01:05:54 No, you're not finna treat me. You're not finna treat me bad and think I'm gonna leave what I've accumulated to you. I wish I might. And when some when somebody else is treating me better. So what's your take on that, Ocho? I mean, I like it.
Starting point is 01:06:12 I like it. It's a bit odd. It doesn't happen much. But in life, especially when it comes to business and sometimes you have things going for yourself. Let's say you got a clothing business.
Starting point is 01:06:24 Your family will be the first one to say, man, shoot me something and let me wear it. Why not support? Why not support? Your biggest support is when you have
Starting point is 01:06:35 something going on or you're selling the product or anything you have going on in life. Your biggest support are the strangers that you don't even know. Don't even know.
Starting point is 01:06:42 You don't even know. Don't even know. Every time. It always happens like that because the people you do know, man, front your boy something. And you know black folk favorite line, boy, let your boy get a discount. They'll pay $6,000
Starting point is 01:06:55 for Louis Vuitton and won't pay $100 for your stuff. Oh, yeah. Oh, never. Never. Because you know Louis Vuitton is a status symbol. It's an image. You know, it's a portrayal of I got money. I ain't got no problem with Louis.
Starting point is 01:07:11 I own Louis Vuitton luggage and gear. But I'm just saying, for me, you know, like a lot of times people hit me up. That's a lot of money, though. 11 billion wait you see how much those earned man's bag cost they got bags that cost that started like 25 30 thousand and go up
Starting point is 01:07:35 to a million a bag yeah yeah hey listen I did my homework now you know Christmas coming up yes Floyd Mayweather was the first person I ever saw with that bag Listen, I did my homework now. You know Christmas coming up. You heard about the Himalayan bag. Floyd Mayweather was the first person I ever saw with that bag. Well, actually, I saw Sotheby's auction one off way back for like 300.
Starting point is 01:07:57 But Kim K got a Himalayan. Floyd Mayweather got a Himalayan duffel. Yeah. I think Drake might have one too. I think Drake got one in the house and Ocho you just can't walk up in there and get one I don't care how much money you got oh no
Starting point is 01:08:13 they got a list they got a list ask me how I know it's a list cause Christmas coming up cause when I tried to get something and I wasn't on it that's how I know it's a list because Christmas coming up was a list because when I tried to get something
Starting point is 01:08:27 and I wasn't on it that's how I knew it was a list that's how I knew it was a list Ocho hey because they like you
Starting point is 01:08:35 ain't on it bro hey that's a that's a different world up there man that's a different world up there man you know
Starting point is 01:08:43 but sometimes Ocho, sometimes manners and good friends can get you things money can't buy. Man, say that one more time for the people in case they missed it, man. Sometimes manners and good friends can get
Starting point is 01:09:01 you things money can't buy. Well, you lucky I ain't got my pen and paper with me. For sure, Ocho. I'm just, it's, and you never know. Ocho, I ain't gonna lie, Ocho. Since I've been on my own, and I'm not really on my own, but I'm just saying as an entity
Starting point is 01:09:22 trying to grow Shea Media, I've had more people reach out and want to help me in a lot of different areas. I like the way you conduct yourself. I like the way you speak. I like the way you treat people. I like the way you handle yourself.
Starting point is 01:09:41 I help you here. Well, I know somebody over here. Let me put you in contact with them. I know somebody over here let me put you in contact with them I know somebody over there a lot of what transpired of what you see going on somebody referred but I had no idea had no knowledge of these people Ocho
Starting point is 01:09:56 right that's why I say Ocho that's loud my grandfather used to say, boy, be careful. The toes you step on today might be connected to the foot on the leg that lead to the butt
Starting point is 01:10:11 you got to kiss tomorrow. Be careful how you treat people. You never know. Come on, man. You preach it. It ain't even Sunday, man. You ain't got to preach like that. The toes you step on today
Starting point is 01:10:24 might be on the foot, connected to the leg, that lead to the butt. You got to kiss them off. Be careful how you treat people. Yes, sir. You never know how you treat somebody today and the position that they're in tomorrow. I had a young lady I met 20-plus years ago.
Starting point is 01:10:43 20. Yeah. We kept in contact. she hey Shannon um we having a conversation would you be interested yes deal got done 20 years might talk to her once every four years but she remembered she was at an entry level her Her job was to come and to show me around and help things like that. But she got a higher job now. And she remembered how Shannon Sharp treated her. Even though I was in the NFL how I was, she said, you know what?
Starting point is 01:11:16 He didn't look down on me because I was in the position that I was in. That's how I say, be careful how you treat people. Because you never know. Yeah, yeah. Especially when you're high up, especially when you're winning. You know, normally when you're winning and you got money and things are going really well for you, you know, people tend to act funny. You know, they move differently.
Starting point is 01:11:40 Because it makes people, when people have wealth and and money you feel like you're invincible for some reason you feel like you you you yeah it's you against the world ain't nobody nobody tell you nothing nothing at all and you know sometimes you treat people bad sometimes you treat people bad because you feel you're better than others i've never ever ever ever and i think this is a funny story and this this going for people in the chat. This is going for people in the chat. I'm sure there are people that have crossed paths with me
Starting point is 01:12:09 at some point that might be watching. I have a thing that I'm known for doing, and I've been doing it for years, even when I was playing, is I have a thing for telling people I love you. Obviously, I tweet it every day, but if you ever met me in public,
Starting point is 01:12:23 I tell people I love you, and everybody get a hug. And I introduce myself and act like I've known him for 30 years and I ain't seen him and I ain't never seen him a day in my life. But I always like to make people feel like you. Yeah. I always like to make people feel like I know him or they've known me for years because obviously during my playing day, you know, the media vilified me and I bought into it and being the villain. So, I just like to people show, I like to show people,
Starting point is 01:12:50 you know, my true colors and my other side that really is me. You know, the fun, the loving, you know,
Starting point is 01:12:55 the playful. And people walk up to me and like, man, listen, I ain't want to bother you before he even finish talking. Man,
Starting point is 01:13:01 bring it here, man. Give me a fucking hug. Where you been at all these years, man? Yeah, just making people feel man. I mean, man, bring it here, man. Give me a fucking hug. Where you been at all these years, man? Yeah, just making people feel good. I think that's how you was raised. I just remember my grandmother always, you know,
Starting point is 01:13:14 treat people with respect. For me, Ocho, I've never, even from, and I think because I didn't have a whole lot, and even as I started to accumulate, I never thought I was better than someone else. I might think I could do my job better than you could do your job, but that doesn't think
Starting point is 01:13:31 I'm better than you because I have more than you. I might think I'm better at what I do as opposed to what you do, what you better than what you do. But I don't think I'm better than you because I have, because I'm on
Starting point is 01:13:46 television, because I played in the NFL, because I got a gold jacket. No, I'm not better than you because of that. Now, I think I do what I do right now on television. I don't think there's very many people out there. I don't think there's anybody that can do what I do better than what I do it.
Starting point is 01:14:02 But that's just the way I was raised. But that's just the way that's just the way I was raised. And my great, my grandmother's greatest enjoyment. It wasn't that she had two grand boys
Starting point is 01:14:11 that made it to the NFL that graduated college that was making millions. Her greatest enjoyment when people came and say, Mary, you did a great job with them boys. Because everybody,
Starting point is 01:14:22 that's how they, you know, that's a Southern thing. That's how they respect. They ain't really, I don't remember ever being called by name. I thought my that's how they, you know, that's a Southern thing. That's how they respect. They ain't really, I don't remember ever being called by name. Hell, I thought my name was boy.
Starting point is 01:14:28 Hey, Barry, where them boys at? Mary them boys. Barney, what about them boys? So, that's just the way,
Starting point is 01:14:35 and I was like, you know what? That's my grandmother's crowning achievement. Was, right, right, right,
Starting point is 01:14:41 right. I mean, you, you, you reflection, you reflection, you were reflecting how you turn out, how you turn out and how you operate once you're going from under that umbrella in that
Starting point is 01:14:50 nest is reflection of course i am i'm a reflection of mary and barney porter i'm a reflection of i grew up in glenville i'm a reflection of savannah state i'm proud because i'm there i'm one of their brightest i understood no matter what transpired, he went to Savannah State. He's from Glenville, Georgia. He was raised by his grandparents. My mom, man, you look. My mom, my mom, you know, called me.
Starting point is 01:15:15 Well, now she just, I was like, look, whatever my mom need, you don't have to clear it. It's a yes. It's a yes. Right, right, right. And I know because my mom, mom mom it's not a problem it's okay you know we mom it's taken care of don't worry about it why are you calling me why is it's nobody well you know i hate no don't hate as long my purpose and i told my grandmother i got
Starting point is 01:15:41 y'all and when i say i got you i got you my brother my sister my mom i got y'all. And when I say I got you, I got you. My brother, my sister, my mom, I got y'all. Now, the kids, that's another story. Y'all young. But they know. They know, hey, remember what I told you, Ocho. Right. I'm last option, not first choice.
Starting point is 01:16:00 Yeah. So, you know, Christmas coming up, huh? Did your kids give you their Christmas list? Yeah. So, you know, Christmas coming up, huh? Did your kids give you their Christmas list? Yeah. Yeah? You getting everything on there? Them kids, they ain't kids no more. They my kids, but y'all grown now. Hey, the days of 10 and 15 things.
Starting point is 01:16:20 All mine grown too, man. Ocho, the days of 10 and 15 things. I want this, this, this, this, this, this, this. Those over. Ocho. Oh, you don't do that no more? Except my son who's married. Hell, the girls, they get down to everything
Starting point is 01:16:34 they want anyway during the year. Oh, okay, okay, okay. All right, I think, I mean, just saying for me, obviously, you know, I have a tribe. I have a tribe, you know, all of mine combined together. But the fact that we're in that social media area, social media era of wanting to be flashy and portray this image of doing this. You know what's funny? You know what's funny?
Starting point is 01:17:02 Those I have kids From when I've done One hell of a job Because my kids Haven't got caught up In that lifestyle Of having to have The latest of the latest
Starting point is 01:17:11 Or to look like Oh well I got to look a certain way Because of who my daddy is And oh They never got caught up in that So They look the part
Starting point is 01:17:20 They look great You know They're really good at At At uh What's the word I'm looking for? It's not what you wear, it's how you wear it. So when times like this come around and I look at the Christmas list
Starting point is 01:17:33 and it's like 13, 14 items, you know, on one, I ain't got no problem. I ain't got no problem getting everything because we go the whole 11 months. Y'all barely asked me for 11 months y'all barely asked me for nothing y'all barely asked me
Starting point is 01:17:48 for nothing so come times like this I'm I'm excited because this is one of the few times of the year where I actually spend some damn money
Starting point is 01:17:57 you always said don't be cheap with myself right but that's how I've always been but Christmas time yeah I think the faith is, look, I can't wait to see
Starting point is 01:18:08 new faces on Christmas day. I can't wait till somebody else take my role like a husband. That's what I'm looking for. Oh, okay, okay, okay. But you know, I think the thing is
Starting point is 01:18:19 for the kids, like, look, as long as you don't give your mom, because I know you're not going to give me no problem because I know you're not going to give me no problem. Because I stayed. The one thing, I've always done a great job.
Starting point is 01:18:32 I told all my kids. I say, our dynamic won't ever change. I say, I'm always going to be your dad. You're always going to be the child. I say, even if I'm old and feeble and you got to take care of me, the dynamic will never change. I said, I don't ask for it i demand your respect because i've done too much for you not to respect me i said look i'm gonna treat you like an adult and we can agree i'm you ask me my opinion i'm gonna give you my honest opinion but at the end of the day you're grown you make your own decisions but i demand that you respect me i
Starting point is 01:19:00 demand that you respect your mom that's all i ask ask for you. That's all I ask from you is to respect me and your mom. Right. Now, your mom called and said she got a problem, then you're going to have a problem with me. You're going to have a big-ass problem with me. Right.
Starting point is 01:19:20 You ever had them issues, though? Because they... No, no, no. I was about to say that? Because they might, they might, no, no, no, no, no, no. I was about to say that. Because they might pick up the phone and say, well, I'm having a problem with such and such.
Starting point is 01:19:30 Put them on the phone. Okay, now what's the problem? Yeah. What's the problem? They bet you're right in the bud. Don't make me get on the, don't make me get on the flight
Starting point is 01:19:38 and come. Right. You know what's funny? You know what's funny? Is, I'm the fun guy. I'm the fun guy. I'm the fun father. And I'm never the one that has to do the disciplining.
Starting point is 01:19:55 Because mamas, boy, they don't play that shit, right? Those where I'm from, nah, they don't play that shit. They don't play that. And I think I was lucky. I'm from? Nah, they don't play that shit. They don't play that. And I think I was lucky. I'm very fortunate. You know, and I say it from time to time, all the time, because I'm never in a space or on a platform to give them credit for the job that they have done with my kids. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:18 But, man, man, shit. Or then, you know, the thing was, you want me to call your dad? No, don't call him. Hell of a job. Don't call me. Hell of a job. No, don't call me. Don't day. Right, right, right. There's nothing that you can. I'm the last resort.
Starting point is 01:20:33 It got to be something real serious. But if somebody pick up the phone and call me. It got to be real serious. You got everything that you wanted. I mean, we rolling dice. Man, we win the dice game and they get these little electric scooters. Man, I think I spent like $3,000 on them electric scooters. Got my girlfriend to send them to him.
Starting point is 01:20:57 The mama said, they can't have these. Yeah. Shannon, they ain't never driven anything in their life these kids gonna end up hurting themselves I said okay well sell it sell it just like that sell it you say I give them something
Starting point is 01:21:16 and you say they can't have it I'm not going back and forth with you you say they not qualified to have it sell it what am I arguing about stuff like that for you know You say they not qualified to have it? Sell it. What am I arguing about stuff like that for? You know, you around them more than I am. Right, right, right. So you know their capabilities more than I do.
Starting point is 01:21:34 I got no problem with that. I'm not going to go back and forth with you about, nah, I bought it. I'm their dad. It was never none of that. It was never that type of disagreement. Did we disagree? Absolutely. Of course.
Starting point is 01:21:49 But as I started to get older and the kids started to get older, it wasn't that big of a deal. Once you realize that, you know what? We ain't doing nothing but hurting the kids. I said, we arguing about petty stuff. Is it really that serious? Is it really that serious? Is it really that serious?
Starting point is 01:22:06 They're like, nah. You know, it takes very mature woman or it takes a mature woman to actually get to that point where they don't want to argue about nothing because it's a waste of time. Because sometimes you got to always ask, you always ask in the chat,
Starting point is 01:22:23 if you're married, if you have a boyfriend or you got a spouse, ask them. You want to be happy or you want to be right? Which one you want to be? You want to be happy or you want to be right? Because you can't get both. Sometimes Ocho is better to be wrong and keep the peace than to be right and cause an argument. wrong and keep the peace than to be right and cause
Starting point is 01:22:44 an argument. And once I realized that, it was okay. I said, guys, it ain't that big of a deal. Come on. What are we arguing? What are we actually arguing about?
Starting point is 01:22:59 Because when we created this, there was no argument. There was no argument. But now, what? Come on now. Because at the end of the day, you know I'm going to always do. Yeah, I'm disappointed that you put me through this,
Starting point is 01:23:13 but I'm always going to do right by the kids. Always. And so it wasn't always like this. It took some growing on my part. It said, you know what? Because I had to be right no you're nothing to get the upper hand on me f that i'll spend my life right right right i ain't gonna let you get the upper hand yeah and i was like you know what it ain't worth it it ain't
Starting point is 01:23:35 worth it and so now we got we got great relationship you know hey that's growth happy father's day happy mother's day um hey i always the kids, how your mom doing? They doing good. But it took a process to get to where we got, Ocho. Because, you know, I'm playing football. I'm trying to be the best I can. And I'm feeling like, bro, y'all trying to attack me. Y'all trying to take advantage of me.
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Starting point is 01:25:25 Shannon, no joke, congrats. Skip and Stephen A wasn't taking them hits off the field. That was you and Jesus. Your grandmother have been dancing in heaven right now. God be the glory. Keep moving forward. Yeah, Faith, you're absolutely right. But sometimes you need someone to give you an opportunity.
Starting point is 01:25:46 Skip was the first that gave me the opportunity because before anybody, I was the first athlete to do the debate format every single day. Now, a lot of people do it now, Ojo, but I was the first
Starting point is 01:26:00 to sit across from a journalist and do this every day. But I knew I had to be exemplary because people that know me know how hard I work, know how much I study. And if he couldn't do it, well, who's going to do it?
Starting point is 01:26:15 So it cost me relationships because when I should have been going home, Ojo, to be with my partner, I wanted to stay because in the process of me flying, I was going to miss a game. Or I was going to miss something.
Starting point is 01:26:31 So no, I sacrificed that to be good for others because I wanted to show we weren't dumb jocks. Be it football, be it baseball, or basketball, we're more than that. That's what you know us for, but that's not who I am and so that was my process and it cost me two relationships and i and and it was all while i was in
Starting point is 01:26:54 understanding but i wanted to be i wanted to be great at this i wanted to be better at this than i was at football because football became football was natural yes Yes, I'm quick-witted. Yes, I can ad-lib. Yes, I'm personable. Yes, I'm relatable. But to be able to, remember, Ocho, you don't listen to always to respond.
Starting point is 01:27:16 You listen to understand. So now, not only was I having it because now it's more conversational, a little less debate. In a debate format, I've got to, now, I got what I want to say, but I got to punch holes in your argument also. So I got to listen and tell you what you're saying, punch holes in that,
Starting point is 01:27:36 all while retaining the information and getting my point out also. And so now I got to hold information. I got to got all the knowledge everything to spit out LeBron to spit out Bird to spit out Magic to spit out Jordan
Starting point is 01:27:51 to spit out Brady and Manning and this guy's stat that guy's stat and baseball and basketball and track and field and social issues
Starting point is 01:27:58 and in 1968 and in 1948 and this and that yeah it's not as easy as you think because everybody can't everybody when that red dot think. Right. Because everybody can't, everybody, when that red dot go on,
Starting point is 01:28:07 on that camera, everybody can't talk on cue. And I got a producer in my ear. Oh yeah. Turn it over to him. Make sure you get that point in. And it's also, because I had great,
Starting point is 01:28:21 Steve Owens was my first producer that produced my part of the show at Undisputed. And then I got Ash, who's right now the CP right here. Bro, she made sure, they made sure I was prepared. Because I said, okay, this is what I want to say. And he says, okay. And I'm like, okay, what do you think he's going to say? So now we got to formulate.
Starting point is 01:28:47 Ocho, we staying up two hours, three hours. Now remember, I got to be to work at 4 a.m. LeBron James comes to the Lakers. The game's going off at 10, 30, 11 o'clock. Now we're having conversation after the game. And we're talking, okay, if I say this, what you thinking? What's his retort? We're talking, okay, if I say this, what you think?
Starting point is 01:29:03 What's his retort? So, now, I've got to hold all that information for 10 blocks. What he's going to say, what I think he's going to say, also, so I can count it. But I also got to get my A and B points
Starting point is 01:29:20 in also. And so, I've been very, very fortunate to have been surrounded by great people that although I'm in front of the camera, it's the people behind the camera. CJ with Club Shay Shay does a
Starting point is 01:29:35 great job of I think this person will be good. I think this person will be good. I think you should reach out to that person. Coming up with questions like, let's go in this direction. I think you should reach out to that person. Coming up with questions, like, let's go in this direction. I think we should start here and go there. I think we should start there and go here. Ash, coming up with topics on this, making sure of a first take.
Starting point is 01:29:56 She got a lot on the plate. She got a lot on the plate. But from the very first time, and I told her, I told her the very first time i met her i said if i get a show and if i ever leave undisputed you're coming with me and she looked at me like i was crazy and even when i got when i went out on my own i said as she coming with me she went in and said hey she put in a notice says i'm leaving i she called me she said said, Shannon, where are we going? I said, I don't know. She said, but wherever you go, I'll be there.
Starting point is 01:30:29 She said, I... I like that. She called me. I said, Ash, I don't know. I like that. It's July. Ash said, what are we doing? I don't know. She said, okay. She said, but I believe in you. But I told her the very first time...
Starting point is 01:30:43 The very first time I met her she'll tell you I said if I ever go on my own you gonna produce my show oh yeah so I'm a low loyalty guy and
Starting point is 01:31:00 if you down with me I got you forever forever and ever so and I told her when I went to the volume And if you down with me, I got you forever. Yeah. Forever and ever. So, and I told her when I went to the volume, I said, look, y'all can do whoever have the background. I say, but whatever I do, she's in charge. She speaks for me. Don't call me.
Starting point is 01:31:18 Now, she knows me better than you do. I said, now, when she says something, it's coming from me. If I ever have to call, you're not going to like the call. I promise you. So just let her handle it. Same thing with CJ. Y'all let him handle it. Y'all talk to my sister, Shelly.
Starting point is 01:31:40 She's the executive assistant. Don't call me. When you see my number pop up on your phone, she's the executive assistant she don't call me when you when you see my number pop up on your phone it's a problem it's hell to pay so Ash Handel, Nightcap
Starting point is 01:31:56 and ESPN, CJ Handel's club Shea Shea, Jordan Handel created the sign and Shelly oversees everything but when you have to talk to me I don't want to do no talking. I talk enough during the course of the week. Don't call me with no bull jive. And if they say, well, Shannon,
Starting point is 01:32:12 we can't get this done because now I got to pick up the phone. But Ash does a great job letting me handle it. I think, you know, they didn't listen today, but I think tomorrow they'll get the idea. Nikki Grant, Shannon, you know, they didn't listen today, but I think tomorrow they'll get the idea. They'll get the idea.
Starting point is 01:32:26 Nikki Grant, Shannon, you better celebrate your accomplishment with your fine ass. And I see you just fine. Chadford, good night, Shannon, and only Shannon. Damn, won't you want to keep doing you like that? Nikki, Nikki, what? That's the same one. Give me your people. That's the same one. I see you drinking. Nah, they ain't my people.
Starting point is 01:32:49 Only people I got is Real. Real think I'm fine. That's all that matter. Real say I'm a 12 on a scale of 10. One to 10. You friends. Ocho, you 185. Not right now.
Starting point is 01:33:07 See, I like to see, you know, the thing. I like that 180. 180. If you ain't 180, you ain't no lady coming to me. I'm saying, Ocho, I like about two and a quarter. Two and a quarter. Two and a quarter? I'm talking about Ocho.
Starting point is 01:33:21 You know, when you got the one leg up and they tell you to pick the other one up, I say, I'm about to sit this one up and they tell you to pick the other one up. I said, I'm about to sit this one down. That's what I like. You like what you like. I like what I like. See, Ojo, it's a blessing and a curse. You can't hold your legs up at the same time?
Starting point is 01:33:49 Girl, I'm about to put this one down. The worst thing about having muscles is that everybody thinks you can pick them up. But everybody ain't fun size, Ocho. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Hold on, wait a minute now. You live all the way. I now you live all the way I saw you living all the way but you have to understand
Starting point is 01:34:08 I'm living those weights in a certain manner Ocho you know only 200 pounds like this here ain't easy yeah
Starting point is 01:34:16 yeah that's different now that's different that's a lot on your back both of us are out of here cause I'm gonna drop you and I'm gonna throw my back out so That's a lot on your back, man. The whole both of us are out of here because I'm going to drop you and I'm going to throw my back out.
Starting point is 01:34:25 So. Hey, Jadon, Young Smokey VP 17 donated $200 and he asked, Uncle Ocho, what specific team did you enjoy balling on most of your career?
Starting point is 01:34:40 Steelers, Ocho, Chiefs, did you circle those guys, them on the schedule? Yeah, I wouldn't circle none of them boys but that defense that defense was one and two
Starting point is 01:34:53 every year especially that Steelers defense but I wouldn't shit the circle on that motherfucker there at all god damn Ike Taylor
Starting point is 01:35:00 Deshae Townsend Troy Palomaro Joy Porter James Harrison circle who I ain't circling shit I leave that bitch with a circle around my eye Ike Taylor, Deshae Townsend, Troy Palamalu, Joy Porter, James Harrison. Circle who? I ain't circling shit. I leave that bitch with a circle around my eye.
Starting point is 01:35:10 That's about it. We had a week. We had a week. We had a week. It was dedicated. Because when Mike came back, this is what happened. Mike got the job at the Raiders. He got fired 20 games into his first head coaching career.
Starting point is 01:35:27 Al Davis owed Mike the money, but he wouldn't pay it. And he told him, you'll spend more money trying to recoup the money than you do what I owe you. So when Mike told us, we took that personal. So Mike wanted to kick that.
Starting point is 01:35:43 We want to beat him too so we gonna beat you enough we gonna make you get the money up Kansas City it was a it was a dog fight Kansas City and the Raiders now Seattle was also in our division Seattle used to be in the AFC West
Starting point is 01:36:00 it was us, the Chargers, the Raiders and the Chiefs the Raiders and the Chiefs the Chargers, the Raiders, and the Chiefs. The Raiders and the Chiefs. Now, the Chargers, you know, they were tough. They had some good teams. We liked going to San Diego because the weather was normally nice. The Kingdome, I don't know if you remember the Kingdome, but playing in the Kingdome, it was loud.
Starting point is 01:36:16 So just imagine the 12th man indoors. Yes, the 12th man indoors. It was loud indoors and there were defensive base football teams man it was hell
Starting point is 01:36:30 it was hell they had uh uh uh Tez they had uh uh uh Boogie Bryant they had
Starting point is 01:36:37 they had some they had some they had some good football players not only Tez is the one that you know about but they had some I mean Kenny Easy
Starting point is 01:36:43 was before he was gone before I got there but they had some good teams but the Raiders is the one that you know about but they had some I mean Kenny easy was before he was gone before I got there but they had some good teams but the Raiders and the Chiefs we'll fight we'll fight them before the game we'll fight them during the game and we'll fight them after the game we like them we like them
Starting point is 01:36:57 you know who started this with the Steelers and the Ravens you know who started it right who who started this with the Steelers and the Ravens. You know who started it, right? Who? I call Plexiglas. Call it Plexiglas.
Starting point is 01:37:21 I ain't care. Look, I got the $2,000 Ravens. What I care about what y'all gonna do do, what y'all going to say? And you know, they had Joy. They had, I'm trying to think, who else they had? They had Earl Holmes. One year they had Kendrell Bell. Oh, Earl.
Starting point is 01:37:36 Hey, boy, Earl was a thumper. Kendrell Bell was a thumper, boy. Boy, them boys coming down here. We talking cash. They didn't like us. We didn't like them. And the thing was, Coach Cowan and Coach Belich here. We talking cash. They didn't like us. We didn't like them. And the thing was, Coach Cowan and Coach Belichick, they talking too.
Starting point is 01:37:49 The Tennessee Titans with Coach Fisher and Brian Billy, they didn't like each other. We didn't like them. Yeah. So you know me. And when I got to the Ravens, Brian said, I don't care what y'all say. Just know we got to back it up on Sunday.
Starting point is 01:38:04 For real? Hold on. Yeah. Let me take my glasses off like you. I said, I don't care what y'all say. Just know we got to back it up on Sunday. For real? Hold on. Yeah. Let me take my glasses off like you. I said, for real? I can say whatever I want? Because Mike didn't like you really talking like that. Now, once I got on the field, he ain't like you saying, boy, it's the boys' story during the course of the week. He said, once you get to the game, I don't care what you say. Right.
Starting point is 01:38:19 But Brian said, you can say whatever you want to. Just know you got to back it up. Oh, that right up my alley. Man, look here. You tell Plexiglas just to catch the ball and not worry about what we got going on over here.
Starting point is 01:38:34 Right. Man. The Beatles, me and Tekeo, now me and Tekeo used to work out. Yeah, me and Tekeo. Hey. So they was talking about, they said Tekeo used to work out. Yeah, me and Tekeo. Hey. So they was talking about, they said, Tekeo Spikes is a poor man's Ray Lewis.
Starting point is 01:38:52 Man. I said, you know what? Let me get this thing a little spied. Because right now, this thing is going to. I said, man, comparing Tekeo to Ray Lewis is like comparing, dude, where's my car to Titanic? All that said it all not to kill not to kill got to go off in the face not to kill got to say something to match
Starting point is 01:39:09 what I said we get to the middle of the field we dab each other good job Sharp I figured you like that I figured you like that cause now he dude he balled his ass off against us I probably should have kept my mind shut
Starting point is 01:39:24 but it's too late now you know what's inside there's out there Ocho dude, he balled his ass off against us. I probably should have kept my mind shut. But it's too late now. You know, Wes is out there. He's out there, Ocho. Oh, yeah. Once you say it, you can't take it back. And if you talk it, you better walk it. If you talk it, you better walk it. Me and Tequila, like I said,
Starting point is 01:39:42 we worked out before. We worked out after that. Every time I see it, bro, how you doing, man? As a matter of fact, I just did this podcast last year in Arizona. Great dude, man. Georgia boys. You know, we get, we ride hard for one another. But we're on
Starting point is 01:39:57 another team. We ride hard against each other, too. But then we're going to come back together in the offseason. Check this out. JR says, Hey, Uncle Ocho, I was DJ at Channing Crowder's V-Day party. Asked Ocho for a photo, and he gladly took one with me. Ocho, a real one. Great job, guys. You did that, Ocho?
Starting point is 01:40:18 Man, you know, I take pictures with anybody, boy. You know? But listen, my hair wasn't done. I ain't had no lashes on. But you want a picture? Don't worry about it. I'll show them that hair wasn't done. I ain't had no lashes on. But you want a picture? Don't worry about it. I'll show them that thing in color because they ain't going to see you.
Starting point is 01:40:30 Did you let me out? Nah. I think... That's why they got a bunch of filters. Even if you can't see me in your picture, you can lighten it up.
Starting point is 01:40:39 I don't know if they got a filter for that. Even if you can't see me, you can lighten it up. They got to put that ring light on you. You know, technology. That's what I need to carry with me. When people want to take a picture, I need to put the ring light on my face.
Starting point is 01:40:53 That's a good idea. My kids be using that. I like that. Aaron Owens asks, why is LT considered the defensive goal and not Reggie White? It's close for me, but I can make the case that LT is the greatest defensive player, the greatest player in NFL history. I mean, with that. You know what's funny?
Starting point is 01:41:16 I done sat with LT twice already. You seen the picture I posted on Twitter? Yeah. When I go watch my soccer games at Twin Peaks and Pumperwood Pines. Lawrence Taylor come up there every time in a goddamn golf cart
Starting point is 01:41:31 with his three buddies. I just sat with Lawrence two days in a row before I flew back to fly here. I remember what, I'm trying to remember what year that was. But Ricky Jackson played with the Saints and LT. I remember what, I'm trying to remember what year that was, but Ricky Jack,
Starting point is 01:41:45 Ricky Jackson played with the science and the saints and LT, man. I joined LT and Ricky Jack so hard. Oh, Joe, man, they came out there, you know,
Starting point is 01:41:54 LT liked to wear flip flops. He had on shorts and flip flops. Right, right. Ashy as a mofo, man. I told LT, he needs some,
Starting point is 01:42:05 his feet was so ashy and ankles so ashy, I said, you need some just for men for them. Not lotion, that joke needs some just for men. But that'll ash up off him. Man, they feel like laughing.
Starting point is 01:42:16 You know, that's what I, I used to go, I mean, I mean, now it's kind of hard for me to get back, but I used to just go Jones just the whole time. Right. Me, me, Mike Irvin.
Starting point is 01:42:28 Because we were, you know, we were young guns. Mike was funny too? Dude, with me and Mike getting together, because we might start off on somebody. Yeah. But inevitably, it's coming back to me and him going at each other. And it's always been like that. Right, right, right. It's always going to be like that.
Starting point is 01:42:47 And you know time be hanging it on. You know, when time used to go back, time hanging it on. See, a lot of them guys didn't know I was there. Time always knew. Time knew I always had this. But a lot of people didn't know. So that's the first time they seeing me. Jonan, oh, that's what I do.
Starting point is 01:43:08 Oh, yes. Oh, I've got a PhD in Jonan. Oh, yeah, for sure. But I miss going back and seeing the guys because I don't really see the guys. And even when I go back to alumni function, when we go back for the only time that I really get back is for the Super Bowl,
Starting point is 01:43:26 for the Broncos, when we, you know, the anniversary. Right. I light them up. I light them up, Ocho. I had to get them. Alec Hurst said one game to win. Everyone in their prime.
Starting point is 01:43:37 Unk with LeBron, Ocho with Jordan. But, really? We're going to beat the dog. Wait, a basketball? I don't care what it is. Basketball, shooting pool, table tennis,
Starting point is 01:43:54 what's that called? Cornhole. I don't care. Listen, whatever it is we play, whatever it is, if me and Jordan are teaming up against you and LeBron or anything, whatever it is we play, whatever it is, if me and Jordan are teaming up against you and LeBron or anything, whatever it is we play, you are the liability and the reason y'all going to lose. You can't dribble.
Starting point is 01:44:14 You can't shoot. You can't play table tennis. You can't shoot no pool. You can't bowl. But, man, we would wipe you out and everything. Ocho, did you know I have my own Q? I got my own Q, too. You heard the Minnesota fans?
Starting point is 01:44:30 They call your boy Georgia Slim. I beat him. I beat Fats. I beat Miss Coney. Willie Miss Coney. I beat Steve Miserac. Boy, you better stop playing with me. Gertrude Hostetter.
Starting point is 01:44:44 Vivian Vivera. Go ahead with that, man. The Black Widow. Ojo, stop playing with me. Gertrude Hall, Vivian Vivero, the Black Widow. Stop playing with me. Go ahead, man. Come on, man. Who you be again? Minnesota Fats, Willie Moscone,
Starting point is 01:44:56 Steve Miserac. What they, what they, what's your name, what they call you? Hey, George Sleel. Hey, guys,
Starting point is 01:45:03 man, you better stop playing. But, hey, Ojo, you better stop just live. They got you. Man, you better stop playing. But hey, Ojo, you better stop with me. Ojo, we beat the brakes up, y'all. Hey. Man, trust me. They had nothing.
Starting point is 01:45:14 Nothing with me and Jordan Tebow. And Taylor Tennis. I'm telling you who the liability is. Oh, I'm the fan of Taylor Tennis. Oh, I'm the fan. Don't do that. I'm Roger Federer on Taylor Tennis. Now, right there,
Starting point is 01:45:23 I'm going to stop you right there. I'm going to stop you right there. One thing you're not going to do is you ain't going to sit here and put no lads do that. I'm Roger Federer on table tennis. Now, right there, I'm going to stop you right there. I'm going to stop you right there. One thing you're not going to do is you ain't going to sit here and put no lads like that. He on God's green earth about beat me in no table tennis, boy. I was the Charles Hadley table tennis champ in 1985 all the way to goddamn 1999. Ain't lost to nobody in Liberty City. That's what I'm saying, Liberty City. Don't do that.
Starting point is 01:45:41 Everybody the king of the block in Liberty City. Nah, boy. I come from the home of true table tennis champions. What did you talk about, man? The Chinese wanted me to come play for them. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:45:57 You talking about they wanted you to come play for them? They didn't want me to play. I told them no, I couldn't betray my country. You better stop playing with me. Man, don't do that, man. No, table tennis, don't do that, man.
Starting point is 01:46:11 Don't do that. Shooting pool, don't do it to yourself. Cornhole, don't do it to yourself. First of all, I know you can't play no pool because you don't even know how many balls are on the table. That's first of all. You ain't know nothing about no eight ball. You ain't know nothing about no nine ball. You ain't know nothing about no eight ball. You ain't know nothing about no nine ball.
Starting point is 01:46:25 You ain't know nothing about no six ball. You ain't know nothing. So stop. You not beating me in any of these games you talking about. What happened to that yellow box Chevy you had back in the day with the sound? Used to see you in Columbia, South Carolina. Nah, bro, I ain't had no box Chevy. You know, I had a pickup truck. Got a pickup truck.
Starting point is 01:46:48 Then my sophomore year, my brother bought me a 300ZX with T-Tops. Called it Z-Fords. Then I got a 300 Mercedes. White. Peanut butter guts. Yeah, for sure. For sure.
Starting point is 01:47:03 Woo! Looking like Frank Lucas I had the baddest car I had the most expensive car on the yard back then okay money making bitch he made sure the pockets
Starting point is 01:47:17 had the mumps yeah I was right they couldn't say nothing brother give me like he's like hey bro i tell you what i do um i give you i give you 200 for every touchdown i give you uh if you have five if you have i give you uh 500 for every hundred yard i go get i go get 204 touchdown look at that you know what i'm saying so So guess what? Me and the missus,
Starting point is 01:47:46 we at the hotel. We at the hotel on Friday, Saturday night. Yeah. Yeah. We go to the movie after eight. Pack your bag. I tell on Wiz to pack your bag Friday. I'm picking you up at five o'clock. Go to the
Starting point is 01:48:02 hotel. You don't freshen up. You know I gotta freshen up. Go to the movie. You to the hotel, you know, freshen up. You know, I got to freshen up. Go to the movies. You know, we do it to mess the bed up before we leave. Go to the movies. You know what I'm saying? Or go get something to eat.
Starting point is 01:48:15 Back then, I could go to the movies. I could go get something to eat and go to the movies. I can't do that now. I'd be asleep. I'd be asleep. You know what I'm saying, Ocho?
Starting point is 01:48:23 You know, A hotel back then One would fit it all Fit it all Yeah Oh listen That's one I told you that I told you about the one in Miami
Starting point is 01:48:32 Off Okeechobee For $30 right I'm just saying If any point you wanna You know going down there Say hi In high No I ain't
Starting point is 01:48:41 I ain't bringing I gotta bring my own pillow And linen I ain't No They got pillows It's called It's called Executive Palace I ain't bringing nothing. I got to bring my own pillow and linen. I ain't. Oh, no, they got pillows. It's called the Executive Palace. Real nice room.
Starting point is 01:48:51 Disco ball. The La Quinta Inn where I lay up at. Dark my head. La Quinta. Yeah, the old La Quinta. La Quinta Inn. I spend it all night. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 01:48:59 I spend like three, four hours. You know, by the time I get, you know, I get Friday night, Saturday night. Go out to dinner. Both of those nights. Go to the by the time I get, you know, I get Friday night, Saturday night, go out to dinner, both of those nights, go to the movies because I've always been a movie guy. I've been, you know, I've been,
Starting point is 01:49:10 I've been two and a half, 250. Mm-hmm. Mm. Yeah. Mm. Hey, boy, hey. That's a lot.
Starting point is 01:49:21 Boy, you know, they call me Big Bang Hank. I have brand like that, yeah. Oh, yeah? Bang Hank. I had a brand like that. Yeah. I kept Lee Jeans. I kept Calvin Klein. I kept Darksiders. You better stop it.
Starting point is 01:49:35 You better ask them. Huh? I was simple, man. I had a white A-Rab from 8-Rab. I had an all-white A-Rab T-shirt, man, from the gas station. That's all I had, man. Sharp A plate. Sterling Sharp A.
Starting point is 01:49:54 I ain't have it like you. My brother could wear sweats to class, but he going to make show, baby, bro. Crease jeans, everything. Everything went to the dry. What? Clean, you clean. Everything went to the cleaners. You clean. Everything went to the cleaners. Curry cleaners back in Savannah.
Starting point is 01:50:14 Ask him. I've been bringing my stuff in there since I was a junior in college. And now that I ain't I ain't wearing no withdrawals and T-shirts. Since the junior college, I ain't I ain't do no, everything was dry clean. Hey. I've been. Boy, you been living, boy, you been living and you been living like the real family.
Starting point is 01:50:32 My sister say, boy, you got to make it to the NFL the way you living. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Oh, I can't be,
Starting point is 01:50:41 oh, Stars jeans. Stars, a shirt, I thought dry be an old. Stars jeans? Stars shirt? Eyes out? Dry clean? Yeah. Yeah. Every time. You know, old lady, watch the underwear and stuff like that.
Starting point is 01:50:53 Because, you know, back then, them guys be stealing your stuff. Yeah. Try to steal my stuff, old chump. Tell my dad, man, bro, stop it. There's no damn way you ain't got no eyes out. I'm the only one that got the striped eyes out. Come on, bro. Yeah. Come on, bro Yeah Come on, baby
Starting point is 01:51:06 Okay Ish Before y'all make me act a fool up in here Patrick Woolery asks Uncle Ocho, not trying to be too deep But in one word or a few sentences How would you summarize your 2023? And what's the most important lesson
Starting point is 01:51:20 That you guys have learned? Go ahead, Ocho As you summarize my 2023 Man, it's been a blessing It's been a blessing for me that you guys have learned. Go ahead, Ocho. As you summarized my 2023, man, it's been a blessing. It's been a blessing for me. Obviously, I've come a long way. I've come a long way, man.
Starting point is 01:51:37 I would have never envisioned life for me to be where it is now. It's been good. I'm thankful. Obviously, the kids are doing well. Those are in college. The missus is doing well. I mean, just everything is going really well. It's going really well. And I just obviously thankful for you as well for allowing me to have this opportunity to be on here on Sundays, Mondays, and Thursdays. I enjoy it. Gives me an opportunity to be to be on here on Sundays Mondays and Thursdays you know I enjoy it gives me an opportunity to talk and and show another side of me at times and then also my authentic and organic
Starting point is 01:52:11 side as well so my 2023 has been amazing and I'm hoping and hoping that it carries right on over into 2024 my 2023 has been more than amazing um even in my wildest dreams, I didn't envision all of this. Well, first of all, I didn't envision the situation that happened at Undisputed. But, you know, my sister used to always tell me, boy, sometime God closes doors. He already has one already open. And he said, sometime God will open a door can't no man close. And sometimes he'll close a door can't no man open.
Starting point is 01:52:52 She said, just be ready. My 2023 has been great because I'm in a position now that I can help other people. And that's what I'm trying to do is to build up while giving people opportunities. Just like someone helped me, my job is to help someone else. 2023 has been amazing. And it's only going to get better. Like you said, we're going to, 2023 is ending with a bang, but we're going to roll this thing
Starting point is 01:53:26 right over to 2024. And we got a late start because Ocho, people don't realize this. We threw this thing together in a matter of days. Hey, Ocho, man, Ocho, hey, I called Doug. I've been knowing Doug since Doug.
Starting point is 01:53:39 Doug fresh out of college. That's how long I've known Doug. Doug was fresh out of college. Dad said, bro, he's supposed to be watching me. I'm looking for him. He on the dance floor. I called Doug. I said, hey, I want to run something about Ocho. He's like, funny
Starting point is 01:53:54 man, Ocho in Cali right now. Hey, you think we can do lunch? He's like, yeah, I'll heat him up next day. Hey, bro, I got this idea. I'm thinking about doing X, Y, and Z. He's like, let's do it. That's it. That's how it happened.
Starting point is 01:54:08 I would love to tell you we had some elaborate that we were sitting down and we've been talking about this for months and months. In two days, we put this together. And that's what happened.
Starting point is 01:54:19 It was rocking. So now, and not, no sponsors, not a whole lot of ads, but now after people seeing what we do, they're like, okay, we want to be a part of that. And we welcome the opportunity for someone to be a part of what we have growing.
Starting point is 01:54:40 And so 2023 has been great. 2024 is going to be even better. All glory be to God because without him, none of this is possible. And without you guys, because you make it possible and you make it worthwhile. So thank you, because a lot of you guys remember me from first take. And you follow me to ESPN. You follow me to Club Shea Shea. You follow me to Okinocho.
Starting point is 01:55:05 And so we really, really appreciate what you guys have done for us. Eduardo Tapia asks, who wins a mile race between you two? Eduardo, I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. If I'm doing anything besides walking, somebody chasing me. And I promise you, if they chasing me, I'm doing like this here. Pow, pow. Pow, pow. Yeah, yeah. My running
Starting point is 01:55:31 day is over. Ain't no more running for me, Ocho. I'm still running. I'm still running. I'm still running. That's all I got. Would it be too bad if we need to repair him? The doctors say these hips will last you a long time mr sharp if you don't run i say i ain't ran before i got him i damn sure ain't gonna run after i got
Starting point is 01:55:52 him so it's a brisk walk for your boy thank you for the podcast football laughs uh it's been helping me during these times of my mom going through cancer treatment well Alicia keep your head up stay prayed up hopefully it turns out well for your mom mom get well soon Unc and Ocho we're praying for you and everybody out there send a prayer
Starting point is 01:56:19 out to Alicia for what her and her mom is going through right now Mark Booth says Unc I gotta tell you last year was one of the toughest years for me I'm only out to Alicia for what her and her mom is going through right now. Mark Boo says, Unc, I got to tell you, last year was one of the toughest years for me. I'm only 27 years old. Being able to watch you on Undisputed every day helped me like no other. Shannon, you brought me to the light. Bro, I really appreciate that. Mark, I appreciate your support. You guys have supported me from the jump. I really didn't know what to expect. I really didn't know how TV worked. I didn't understand, you know, ratings,
Starting point is 01:56:49 and I didn't know if I was going to be received because I was going with somebody that's the godfather of that format. Skip kind of started that. So give him his credit. So I knew what I was up against, but people are like, well, can he do it? They remember sports reporters, and they remember
Starting point is 01:57:12 Ron the Horn, and they remember all that. All those guys are journalists. Man, how's a former NFL player going to talk about basketball? How's he going to talk about baseball? How's he going to talk about track and field? How's he going to talk about basketball? How's he going to talk about baseball? How's he going to talk about track and field? How's he going to talk about social issues? I'll show you.
Starting point is 01:57:30 I'll show you. And yeah, with the work, Ocho, if you put the work in, you can get incrementally better. And that was what I wanted to do. I didn't want to be- Anything is possible. I didn't want to be a football guy that was what I wanted to do. I didn't want to be. Anything is possible. I didn't want to be a football guy. That was talking basketball.
Starting point is 01:57:49 I want to be a guy talking basketball. I want to be a guy that was talking sports. And you didn't know. You would have never known. I didn't play that sport. You put the work in. You put the time in. You become a student of the game.
Starting point is 01:58:06 You don't know what you don't know. Pay attention. Listen. You see, okay. See that? Okay, that's what that's called. That's called a pin down. Okay.
Starting point is 01:58:17 That's called a flare. Oh, okay. Let's call it one. Oh, that's one. Oh, okay. Okay. Boom. Next thing you know, it's one eye. Oh, okay. Okay. Boom. Next thing you know, it's second nature to you.
Starting point is 01:58:29 Football was second nature. Hey, look, I know cover one. I know lurk, robber. I know everything. Cover five, cover four, cover six, kick. You know, hey, cover eight quarters. I get all that. I know it.
Starting point is 01:58:40 I know fronts. Over, under, shade, tilt, cock. Nine wide, nine, seven, five, shade, tilt, cop 9 wide, 9-7 5 shade, 3 get all that Ocho get it but how do you get better at what you don't know
Starting point is 01:58:55 because it's easy to talk about what you do know guys Ocho, that was the guy that said who how much oh yeah please subscribe to our channel
Starting point is 01:59:16 and drop us a review on Apple Podcast thank you thank you for clicking that like button please make sure you hit that subscribe button. How many people we had? We had 17,000. I think we got up to a high of 20 tonight.
Starting point is 01:59:30 We got up to a high of 20. Ocho, did you know that? Yeah, yes, sir. Look, today, what I'm doing, right, what I did today is I got the chat going, right? I got my phone open, and I put it on top of my computer. So I'm reading the chat at the same time. And I've seen that's a whole lot of people, man. 17,000, you know, reaching 20 at its peak.
Starting point is 01:59:57 Man, that's good, man. Like that's really good. That's really good. I ain't really never been on no platform like this before. Ocho, we got four more minutes. We're going to make it to two hours a night, and then I got to go to bed, man. I mean, Ocho, I got to get up in the morning.
Starting point is 02:00:14 You got to work. In the morning for what? Okay. I got to work, too. Oh, okay. Check this out, Ocho. Uncle Ocho, need your advice, please. I recently graduated
Starting point is 02:00:27 from Florida State. Go Seminoles. My daughter graduated from Florida State also, my youngest. And I got a good paying job, but decided to move back with my parents
Starting point is 02:00:37 in order to save money. How do I date a woman? How do I date women living at home? I don't know. Wait. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on't know wait wait hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on your priorities all messed up you you think about what you just said you went back home with your parents to save money but you want to spend money to date women now i can see that When you say women,
Starting point is 02:01:05 I thought he had a woman. That, that, that... Well, first of all, they ain't going to be letting you, first of all, because you're going to have to spend money. You can't bring no woman into your parents' home.
Starting point is 02:01:16 That's not, that you not married to. Man. Focus on, focus on that money, man. The women going to be there. Focus on your money. Get your money right. Get your money right. Get your situation right. Worry about the women later, man. The women going to be there. Focus on your money. Get your money right.
Starting point is 02:01:26 Get your money right. Get your situation right. Worry about the women later, man. Don't do that. You'll lose money chasing women. You'll never lose a woman chasing money. Now, the thing is now, if I'm reading this correctly,
Starting point is 02:01:42 I don't know how you bring a woman. So now you're going to have to get a hotel. Every time that you want to be intimate with this woman, you're going to need to get a hotel. Now I understand the frigging stuff. You know, you get the car. We all do look here and there,
Starting point is 02:01:55 you know, I parked in the driveway and do it. You know, they can stay looking at hydraulic, you know, it's dropping up and down. You don't say, you don't know.
Starting point is 02:02:03 Ain't nothing wrong with that. This is my yard. Y'all ain't got no business worrying about what's going on in my yard. It's private property. But, but I don't know how you're going to pull that off. You living at
Starting point is 02:02:15 home. I get it. I get it. But like you said, Ocho, man, if you're trying to save money, the last thing on your mind should be women. Think about, think about, think about how save money, the last thing on your mind should be women. Think about how the first thing he asked, I move back home
Starting point is 02:02:31 so I can save money. So save money and date women doesn't even go hand in hand. It makes no sense. It makes no sense at all. Let's focus on what's important. The saving money part. And the only way you're going to do it is locking in and having
Starting point is 02:02:48 a little structure and a little discipline and understanding the women are going to always be there, man. They ain't going to always be there. They be calling you. They be calling you talking about coming back to these streets. Nah. Nah. Nah, nah. Ain't nothing in them streets. No more.
Starting point is 02:03:04 Ain't nothing in them streets. But more. Ain't nothing in them streets. But Ocho, man, you remember when you was 22, 23? I, man, I was locked in, man. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Man. But, baby, I just, I'm not going to, let me knock on the door. I'm not going to... Let me knock on the door. Man, Ocho.
Starting point is 02:03:25 I'm not going to. That I wasn't in my 20s or my 30s with social media or I wasn't a teenager. Right. It wasn't for me, Ocho. It ain't for me.
Starting point is 02:03:41 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, man, that's what you mean, man. It's different. It's a different world. It's a different world. And I'm
Starting point is 02:03:55 glad I have the discipline. I do not. Yeah. Real been a lifesaver for you. Man, you know, we had another podcast Real been a lifesaver for you. Man, you know Ocho. Uncle Ocho would have been in your street. Uncle Ocho, we had another podcast in the streets called In the Streets.
Starting point is 02:04:11 Man, listen. Yeah. That's exactly where we would have been at. In the streets. But I needed, listen, we all need it, man. We all need a little structure and discipline. And ain't nobody, ain't nobody better for you in your life
Starting point is 02:04:28 that can give you a little structure and discipline and a little guidance than a woman. Right one. The right one. The right one. Yeah, man. That shit does wonders. It's funny, it's funny how life turned around.
Starting point is 02:04:39 She came into life for some reason. I don't think it was a coincidence. She came into my life, man. Shit. I'm all over the place now. You know, I'm here. I'm there. I look up.
Starting point is 02:04:49 There go a billboard there. Well, goddamn. I'm watching TV with her. Oh, shit. There go a commercial there. I mean, shit. It's not. It ain't accident.
Starting point is 02:04:57 It ain't no accident. That ain't number favor. He working. God working. He working on me, too. He working. See, I know you looking for me to save something smart with your, I ain't like that no more.
Starting point is 02:05:09 I'm changed. I'm saved. Yeah. Me and you both. Well, listen, I got baptized. It's wearing off, so I need, I'm ready for another one. Yeah, it's wearing off though.
Starting point is 02:05:24 But I think I was a different type of. Yeah, it's playing off though. But I think I was in a different type of water than what you was in. Her name was Niagara. Niagara Falls that is. Yeah. Yeah, I need to stop getting baptized. But I'm happy for you Ocho, I'm happy for you Ocho. Yeah, I appreciate you, Ocho. I'm happy for you, Ocho. You don't want that kind of...
Starting point is 02:05:46 Yeah, I appreciate it. Appreciate it. It's been a long journey. It's been a long climb. Back up. Yeah. Yeah. It's only with the number for us.
Starting point is 02:05:57 23. 23 has been great. God has been good. 24? Your boy, your boy, Shayshaw, about to be out the door? Your boy, your boy, Shayshaw, about to be out the door.
Starting point is 02:06:08 Your boy gonna be out like a scout on a new route. I'm gone. 24 gonna be beautiful, man. It's gonna be beautiful. Yeah. It's gonna be beautiful. You know,
Starting point is 02:06:22 it's right by the corner. Yeah, yeah. About four weeks. What, three's going to be beautiful. You know, it's right by the corner. Yeah, yeah. About four weeks. What? Three weeks? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:28 So it's the 10th and the 12th, right? Yeah. What you doing for New Year's? You know, I'm in the Bahamas for Junkanoo. Where you at?
Starting point is 02:06:37 Where you going to be at? You know, I'm always in the Bahamas for New Year's for Junkanoo. The Junkanoo parade. I don't know. I probably, man, man. You know, where you going to be at? And, you know, I'm always in the Bahamas for New Year's, for Junkanoo. The Junkanoo parade. I don't know. I probably, man, man.
Starting point is 02:06:49 Where you going to be at when the ball drops? You know, you know. I've been trying to shake the cover full dark. No, I normally sleep, man. Man, you ain't going to watch the ball drop? I said, I'm going to watch my eyelids drop on my eyeballs. That's the only balls I'm gonna watch drop. The eyelids on them. Man, I be going to bed,
Starting point is 02:07:10 don't you? I gotta get up in the morning. When is New Year's? Is that a weekend? It's on Sunday, matter of fact, because I gotta be Sunday night? I gotta go to work on Monday. I can't stay up watching. Midnight?
Starting point is 02:07:26 I got to fly to Philly Monday for the show. Man, I got to go to bed. See, Ocho, I was thinking, when I moved to California, I thought that the ball would drop on the East Coast, so at 9 o'clock, they was like, nah,
Starting point is 02:07:42 you got to stay up till midnight here. I say, midnight? And I got to be up at 3 o'clock? I said, y' gotta stay up till midnight here I say midnight and I gotta be up at three o'clock I say y'all must be out there damn man man they come by man you wanna go I said no no uh uh I thought it was gonna be nine o'clock I was like okay yeah I went up till nine they's like nah
Starting point is 02:07:57 I said on the east coast it's already midnight but you're gonna tell me I gotta wait till twelve and I gotta get back up at three y'all it ain't gonna never happen coast it's already midnight but you're going to tell me i gotta wait till 12 and i got to get back up at three y'all watch it ain't gonna never happen it ain't happening guys thank you for watching us watching another episode of uh uh club chasing nightcap everyone commenting on laporte is hitting good i ain't drunk yet but i ain't got about 10 steps to take before I crash in the bed. So, if I don't
Starting point is 02:08:27 make it to work tomorrow, I'm going to make it to work. That's one thing. I'm always going to be professional. As a matter of fact, I'm going to sit all three. I'm going to sit both of my phones and my alarm clock. Make sure I get up. I'm going to crash the set one day. You know what I'm saying? Go on and get your bottle of that right there. You know what I'm going to send you? I'm going to send the set one day. You know what I'm saying? Go on and get you a bottle of that right there.
Starting point is 02:08:46 You know what, Ochoa? I'm going to send you a bottle. I'm going to send you a real. I'm going to send you a bottle. You a real. Yeah, send her a bottle. So, you know, make life easy. We pinned the link, Laporte link, at the top.
Starting point is 02:08:59 Shade by Laporte. Make sure you go out and get you a bottle for you or a loved one with the holidays right around the corner. I promise you, you will not be disappointed you'll be glad you did that thank you for watching another episode of Nightcap, I'm your favorite sports Shannon Sharp, he's your favorite number 85 Cincinnati being a
Starting point is 02:09:16 legend, ring of fame, ring of honor ring of fame, whatever you want to say, he's there going to the stadium you're going to see 85, Chad Ocho Cincoco, Johnson. Thanks for watching us. Please. Thank you.
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