Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Unc & Ocho react to Chiefs beating Dolphins, CJ Stroud & Texans dominating Browns

Episode Date: January 14, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Kansas City Chiefs beating the Miami Dolphins 26-7 in the NFL Playoffs, CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans dominating the Cleveland Browns in 45-14 win, Jerod Mayo being hired to replace Bill Belichick as Patriots coach, Bulls fans booing widow of Jerry Krause during Bulls Ring of Honor ceremony and much more! 00:00 - Introduction03:00 - Chiefs beat Dolphins14:30 - Can Tua get over the hump?29:00 - CJ Stroud leads Texans over Browns41:00 - Belichick and Patriots break up01:02:00 - DJ Moore loves cigars and Disney World01:27:00 - Why Kelce is the GOAT01:39:00 - Urinals, Do's and don'ts02:00:00 - Much more Nightcap! #Herd #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I'm sure someone has a birthday that's right around the corner. So go out and get yourself a bottle or go out and get someone a bottle for some that's someone special in your life ladies your man hey you'll thank me later ladies and gentlemen you'll thank me later let's get right into it ocho the chiefs beat the dolphins 26 to 7 it was the fourth coldest game to start at kickoff i I think the wind chill started at minus four, got all the way down to minus eight, and the Chiefs

dispatched of the Dolphins 26 to seven. Patrick Mahomes was very, very impressive. 23 of 41, 261, one touchdown, no interception. Isaiah Lacheco ran the ball extremely hard, and they did a great job of controlling

the clock and the Chiefs dispatched the Dolphins. When you look at this game, what did you take away from it? I took away from the game. Listen, I said before the game even started, I said it throughout the week before the game happened, we have to be able to establish the run. We got to establish the run with A-Chain and Mostert.

They get them out of that two-safety shell so they can play two-man. They play two-man. They play 55. They lock on the outside with the safety up over top. And if we can't establish the run, they get them to bring the safety downhill

so the run can open up the pass. It's going to be a long day for us. What did they do? They did the same thing all day. They used the front four. They were able to stop the run without the added man in the box. And that was the result, which you saw from this game. We couldn't throw the ball well. We weren't able to run the ball effective enough

to have any impact on the game. And basically, that's all it came down to in this game and why the offense what was it not almost the number one offense throughout it was um number one into the number two in points number one in total yards number one in pass yards uh average about 5.1 yard per rush which led the nfl i think it was fourth in total rush yards right they had the number one total yardage offense number two in points listen a game like this the game where it matters most, you understand what you have to do. You've already played the Chiefs. You know what the Chiefs are going to do. They don't do anything.

They don't do anything pretty on defense. They don't do anything exotic on defense. They line up and they play. They're going to bluff a little bit. They're going to play around with the defense in the secondary. They're going to come down, but they going to get back to the same formation at the snap of the ball and do the same thing over and over until you get them to come out of it and the only way to do that tonight and I said it before the game started we got to be able to run the ball we got to be able to run the ball effectively

in order to be able to throw the ball and what happens same thing same thing again Ocho I don't know the coldest game that you've played in, but when a game comes like this, it's all mental. There is no physicality.

You take the physicalness out of it. Now, how do I convince myself I'm not cold? Right. For the next two and a half hours, Ocho, how do I turn my mind off and say, look, shut up? Yeah. How do I tell my mind that my body isn't cold? Right. Because I know

they probably got thermometers all throughout it. You heard it all throughout the week when you practice in that 60, 70 degree weather in Miami. You heard how cold it's going to be Saturday night in Kansas City. You hear it's going to be four degrees. It's going to feel like it's this degree.

And you know at night, Ocho, what happens? The temperature drops. So you know if it to be four degrees it's going to feel like it's this degree if and that you know at night oh so what happens the temperature drops so you know if it starts at four degrees you know it's not going to end there because you're starting and ending two and a half three hours later so you now you've heard that all week it's just like when you tell yourself i can do this i can do this i can do this it's the same thing it's going to be cold it's the same thing. It's going to be cold. It's going to be cold. It's going to be cold. You've heard that over and over and over. So now, how do I convince myself that I'm not cold? Still go out because they got to stay focused.

Ocho, you know when you get cold like, God dang! Because you run into the line, you got your hands in your arm, and your warm hand warmers. You got them behind your back. You go to the side. Hey, man, let me get that cold. Let me get that cold. Come on, bro. Let me get that cold. Normally, you just go to the side, hey, you back in you run off the field, but I thought

Kansas City, because they're used to that, it's tough Ocho, it's tough when you're a warm weather team and you go how do you practice that, Ocho? tell me how do you practice when you hit 80 degrees and you make it 20 below zero well, listen, there's no way

to replicate the weather there's no way to replicate the weather. There's no way to replicate or duplicate Mother Nature. If it's going to be cold, it's going to be cold. By the end of the day, the Chiefs had to play in the same exact weather. Do the Chiefs always see this kind of weather week in and week out? No. Obviously, when it gets November and December, no, it's never this cold.

It's never this cold, so both teams are really, nobody's at an advantage. Nobody's at an advantage. So let me ask you a question. Maybe the Chiefs a little bit because they're used to playing in the cold. But at the end of the day, we were shorties.

We were shorties growing up. We had no problem playing in the rain. We had no problem playing in the snow. All of a sudden, we get to the NFL. All of a sudden, we're going to allow the environment and the temperature to affect us.

No, there's something that we need to do offensively and defensively as the Dolphins. There's something that we need to do. There's a game plan that we need to execute. And what we can do is allow the conditions to affect the end goal and what we need to do to win the game. And we didn't do it.

We need to win the game. And I'm not going to, well, I'm not saying you're using the weather as an excuse on why. No, no, no, no. You're absolutely right, Ocho. Both teams had to play in that weather, but you know Kansas City had an advantage. They have six

days, seven days to practice in that weather. Right. It's kind of like, I remember when we had a bubble, but Mike would never, I mean, I think I probably went in that bubble probably like three times in my entire career when I was in Denver.

And I was like, man, man, it's called bad. Get us. Mike said, hell, it might be cold Sunday.

Right? Yeah. So you practice, you practice in, in, in, in 60 degree bubble and it's 20 and it's 10 degrees on, on Sunday.

What, what have that done for you? Yeah. So I get it. You're right, but normally warm weather teams don't do well when they have... I mean, there have been certain situations. I remember with Tampa

went to the NFC Championship game and beat and beat... Who was that? Philly. They beat Philly in the cold weather, but normally that doesn't happen very often, but I thought Kansas City did a very good job. And you know, Ocho, we've been talking about this all year.

Yeah. The Miami Dolphins beat one team that had a winning record. Right. And what happens when you get to the playoffs, whatever your weakness is, it becomes exacerbated because the team will exploit it. Yeah. And we see the time they did a great job of pressuring to him like you said they couldn't get

him out of that shell you've got to be able to make a team look you've got to make a team play on your terms if you let a team play on their terms you're not going to beat them because this is where they're comfortable so I'm trying to get you to fight I'm trying to get you to fight on my field

I'm trying to get you to fight a crocodile he's trying to get you in the water that field, Ocho. I'm trying to get you to fight a crocodile. He's trying to get you in the water. That's where he has the advantage at. Right, right, right. He gets your ass in the water. He's going to start flipping. He's going to do that death roll. That's it.

Yep, that's it. If you notice, what do the animals try to do, Ocho? They try to do everything they can to get the land. They scratch, they fight, and they claw it. If I can just make it to land land I have somewhat of a fighting chance you got no chance in that water he's trying to pull you

to the deep listen it's one thing it's one thing in order to be playing in the cold it's one thing in order to be playing in the cold but if you're the Dolphins

you got to do you got to use your team or your players to their advantage in understanding what the Chiefs are going to do hell god damn Helen Keller could have saw whats are going to do. Hell, goddamn,

Helen Keller could have saw what they were going to do. You played them already. You understood what they did the last time you played them. They stifled the pass. They stifled the run. So you already know if you can't get them boys out that two-shell and they're getting pressure with the front line already without having to do anything exotic

or anything extra, and they're making it too uncomfortable off just base, just your base pressures. You already know it's going to be a long day. Yeah. You already know it's going to be a long day. Okay, boom. Okay, they're doing that.

We can't get them out of the two-shell. What do we need to do? We need to get creative. We need to be creative. Find ways to use Tyreek. Move him around. Give him the ball. Tyreek wasn't able to do enough today.

5 for what? 62 in the TD? That's not going to win you the game. That's not going to win you the game. Rasheed Rice went crazy. He went 8 for 130 in TD. Travis Kelsey, despite the drops he had, he was 7 for 71. And Pacheco, 24

for 89. We had no offensive production at all and relied on the defense for 89. We had no offensive production at all. And relied on the defense too much. We had plenty of opportunities. The defense played well, Ocho. This game's more than it's been over at the half. Listen, all them field goals, all them field goals,

we needed field goals to get you beat. Get you beat. If the offense, if the Dolphins offense that we're used to seeing that we saw throughout the season in general, throughout the regular season, had played just 50%, gave us at least 50% of what the offensive production we saw throughout the year, tonight would have been a different ballgame.

But guess what, Ocho? We didn't see this offense against winning teams. So we got what we got all year. Against a winning team, we saw what the Dolphins did. We shouldn't be surprised by the outcome of this ball game, considering what we have seen from the Dolphins since the start of the season. When they play winning teams, they lose. And they don't play particularly well on the road.

So now you're playing a team, if you're in a playoff, obviously you've got a winning record. And you're on the road, they don't play particularly well. And it's sub-zero. So you got three things working against the Dolphins. Right. And when you look at it, and Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes, in his seventh year,

he's a starter six years. Right. He passes Aaron Rodgers, Troy Eggman, Roger Staubach for his 12th career playoff win. Let that sink in. People don't understand. See, sometimes I don't think people realize,

oh, this guy's been... You don't realize just how good this man is. Yeah. Because we take it for granted. I'm talking about in seven years. Yes, sir. And I think only six years

as a starter, am I correct? Only six years as a starter. Yeah, because Alex Smith started first. This man has 12 career playoff wins with three Super Bowl appearances and two wins on his resume. Early. Already.

Already. Aaron Rodgers has played, what, 18, 19 years. I think Troy came in in 89. Troy retired. We played Troy. So Troy played 12 years. Patrick Mahomes just started six years and has both of those

guys. I think Roger played 11 years. Roger retired early because of concussion. But you know, he went to the military. So he lost, I think he didn't get to the league until he was like 28, 27, 28. So

that cut some years off of his career also. But the concussions was what really chased Rodgers' start back out of the league. But Patrick Mahomes, 12 career playoff wins, passed Troy Eggman, Rodgers' start back, and Aaron Rodgers. So give him credit. I have a question before you go. Go ahead. What do you think for the Dolphins?

What is the answer to get over the hump? What is the answer for the Dolphins to be able to get over the hump? Obviously, having a tremendous regular season. Obviously, we know, now understanding, they didn't really beat anybody over 500. Yeah. I think besides one team, it might have been the Cowboys, if I'm not mistaken. Beating the Cowboys, one team. Yeah.

Okay. So, what do they need to do over the hump so they can contend and get over the hump of the first round of the playoffs and actually be in contention year in, year out? They were without a lot of their guys. You remember Jalen Phillips is out. Xavier Howard's out. Bradley Chubb is out. They probably have four or five starters out. Right.

The question is, Tua, he has great numbers but in are in big moments in big games can you get it done right that's the question that he's gonna have only he can answer that because in a game like this you need somebody that can be able to drive the ball right because that that's what happens Ocho is fine It's fine to play in a controlled – I mean, normally you're going to get pretty good weather in Miami. It might rain. Now, that's probably – you're not going to get – likelihood of you getting snow is not very good.

So you might get a deluge. But the thing is, you go to Buffalo. What's the weather going to be like in Buffalo? We know they had to postpone the game. New England, you get them late in the season. You know what the weather's going to be. You might get snow. You're going to get wind.

Right. So, New York. So, you have to ask yourself. I just, I mean, his moments are really, really good. But there's too much. There's this. You get into the camera. There's this as a ceiling, and this is this floor.

There's not enough in between. It's either here or it's here. It needs to be more in between because I think they got enough pieces. Offensive line, maybe you can add a piece or two there. They can run the football, H&. Most of it is a pro bowler. 18 rush touchdowns. They got Tyreek. They got waddle they got

they got receivers kyle crabb they got wilson jr they got guys that can make plays so that's not the issue the question is is he's the guy long term that could that can that can get you over that hump right so do you think defensively if some of those guys phillips xavier harrell was in, Bradley Chubb was healthy, do you think the outcome would have been different? Because you talk about guys, I mean, those are guys that you pay big dollars to, Ocho. Those are guys that have been to Pro Bowl. I don't know if Phillips has been to the Pro Bowl, but Chubb and Xavier Howard. Xavier Howard didn't one year, Xavier Howard have 10 picks? Oh, yeah. I think that might have been three years ago. Three or two years ago. One or the other. And you see they were taking advantage of the middle of the field. They were working on that third corner.

So you see Rice was eating. He was eating number four. He's like the Krispy Kreme. The hot lights. The hot light on. Yeah, yeah. They just took them off. They just took them out of the grease. Damn, man. That's the question, my man. I think honestly, honestly, and people, if you're them off. They just took about degrees. That's the question, my man. I think

honestly, and people, if you're honest with yourself, you know I'm telling you the truth. Probably the weak link is the quarterback. That's so hard to say, especially with the numbers Tua put up this year. He put up some phenomenal numbers. At one point, where he was the MVP candidate. That's

how well Tua was playing. I don't understand. How do you get to a game of this magnitude and understanding what you have to do? Already having film on playing the Chiefs previously, early in the season, knowing what they're going to do, and then still coming out and laying a goddamn egg,

knowing what you got to do to execute against them, to get them uncomfortable as opposed to making us uncomfortable, which is what they made Tua. They made Tua extremely uncomfortable and never allowed him to get in the rhythm. I tell you what, what you think Miami would look like if Mahomes was the quarterback and he had Waddle, he had Tyreek, had wilson jr kyle craft and that running game what do you think he would look like that wouldn't be fair that wouldn't be fair that would be absolutely unfair if anything you might would just ship the goddamn lombardi down to miami already we well we saw they were in the super bowl every year when they hey when he got when he had tyree on the afc championship game when he had Tyreek. And he was

throwing for damn near five. He threw for 5,000 yards. His first year started with Tyreek. So we know what he can do with Tyreek. Now, the thing was, Tyreek didn't have the kind of numbers. He didn't have the 1,700, 1,800 yards. He had 1,799. I think he had 1,707

last year, 1,799 this year because of Travis Kelsey. Right. So that took some of those targets away. But I just think that that's the question. I mean, when you look at what they got, how they can run the football with H& and most of it, and when

you look at the wide receivers that they have, yeah, yeah, offensive line, maybe maybe add a piece. I don't know who's going to be available in free agency what they're going to do in the draft maybe they can add a piece but i i need i needed my quarterback then i'm going to probably have to pay 45 50 million i'm gonna need him to give me better than 20 or 39. I wouldn't need better than Ocho. I need it. Yeah. I need it.

That's what I need. Ocho, this is the, look, I don't pay you 45, 50 million for the regular season. I pay you for moments like this in games like this. Hell, I can get anybody with this talent. Anybody should have been able

to get them to the playoff with the talent that the Miami Dolphins have. Now, what am I really paying you for? Moments like this. That hurt. That hurt. I mean, as a Dolphin fan, obviously,

you know I'm from Miami. You know, my allegiance is to the Dolphins. But I would love, I would love to see them make a run. I would love to see them make a run in the AFC. And what bigger challenge than you already have film, you already have tape, you've already played them, you know what they're going to do, you know what they do well, you know how to counter what they do well,

and you know what you need to establish in order to be able to run your offense effectively, and we weren't able to do it. Oh, Joe, that's your fault. Guess what? What was week 18? Where was that game at between Buffalo and Miami? Tell the people that didn't know that doesn't follow football like you and I, that

just jumped into the chat. Tell them what that game was. Up there. In Miami. Yeah. If you win that game, tell the people at home what happened. If they win that game in Miami against Buffalo, tell the people at home what happened. We at home. Beautiful.

Nice weather. Ta-da! Nice weather. But again, we played Buffalo already early in the season. You know what you need to do again to win that game. And? And you fold again. You fold again.

How you fold back-to-back weeks? And Josh Allen gave it two interceptions. He turned the ball over twice in the end zone. Two interceptions and a fumble. And a fumble. That's three. Yeah. Yeah. So.

That's tough, man. That's tough. And then they got, tonight, they got a couple of unnecessary roughness on the, guys, you can't go low on the quarterback anymore. That's the Tom Brady rule. You can't hit the quarterback. You can't hit the quarterback below his waist.

They're going to throw that flag every time. Every time. Every time. Ever since Tom Brady got his knee blew out like that. Excuse me. I know you say, oh, that's not, not i understand i was in the league when they let you hit the quarterback anywhere you wanted to the top of his head or the bottom of his feet that's no longer the case ocho yeah so you can't say man that's just football that's not football

anymore that used to be football but they changed that first of all they've changed that rule for over a decade ocho So you should have adapted by now because most of the guys that's coming in, that's playing defense, they are, especially the guys that committed the foul, you weren't in the league when you could do that anyway. So you've been on

a different set of rules. Yeah, for a while. So you already know better. For a while. And you know, they're not going to let you shove the quarterback down anymore, Ojo. Once he throws that ball, you best just fly by. Right. Because if you shove him to the ground, they're going to throw that flag. Christian Wilkins, bro, I don't know what you're thinking.

I mean, you know, he like to do a little poking and stuff, and he do too much of that funny stuff. I mean, I don't know what he did to Josh Allen, but he need to cut that foolishness out. Right. He a ball player now. Yeah, I ain't know what he did to Josh Allen, but he need to cut that foolishness out. Right. He a ball player now. Yeah, I ain't got no problem with that ball player, but all that stuff he be doing up under the pile,

I ain't with that. I ain't with all that now. Come on now. That's about necessary stuff, Ocho. Right, right, right, right, right. Go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to say just antagonizing the opponent. That's all. Just antagonizing. I don't know the way Josh Allen jumped up from there. He was gonna say just antagonizing opponent that's all just antagonizing i don't know the way the way josh allen jumped up from there he was doing more than antagonizing

that's all i'm saying i don't know what he was doing up under that pile right right well what i don't know what he was doing under that pile but the way josh allen hopped up from there yeah whoo question uh for both is miami in the same situation the rams a couple years ago jared golf couldn't make couldn't make them plays seems like two is in the same that's that's listen he just asked a question that i wanted you to answer because i don't have answers to it but you would know better than me they got all the goddamn pieces jerry got all the pieces the difference is jerry golf did get the ramp to the Super Bowl. Now, he only scored three points once he got there,

but he did get them there. But they felt, I'll give you a prime example. There's a reason why Andy Reid moved up 17 spots to take Patrick Mahomes. Alex Smith had him in the playoffs every year. Andy Reid believed that he could go

much farther with someone with a stronger arm and was willing to push the ball down the field. Yeah, right. And you saw every year, the Chiefs were in the playoffs.

But this offense went to another level and you could say, oh, no, it's not. Because Andy Reid had Donovan and this offense went to another level and you can say, Oh, no, it's not because Andy Reed had Donovan and his offense. And it didn't look like what it looks like now. He had Alex Smith and it didn't look like what he looked like now. Yeah. So that's the question that the Miami dolphins are going to have to ask

themselves. Right. What's the real ceiling for us with two as our quarterback? Well, the ceiling look great all goddamn year, but like you said, you ain't paying nobody 40, 45 million for the regular season.

No, I ain't paying 45 million to beat bad teams. You only beat one good team. At 17 games, you only beat one team with a winning record, Ocho, and you want 50 million? And then you give me seven points. You gave me one good team. At 17 games, you only beat one team with a winning record, Ocho, and you won $50 million? And then you gave me seven points. You gave me a seven piece. That's tough, man.

Yeah, exactly. That's tough. I like Tua. Red Hood said, Ocho, please tell the Dolphins they need a new quarterback. Tua isn't the guy. He played himself today. He constantly tried to get Hill killed over his overthrows.

He's just not good. I hope they don't fire McDaniel for him. Nah, nah, I don't think Mike McDaniel is going anywhere. I think he's moving. Yeah, he has a great mind. Like I said, Ocho, but when I look at the Dolphins, and you look at the pieces now, they did have some guys that

were out I thought the defense considering played well because they kept them out of the end zone yeah and gave their offense a chance it's just their offense didn't do anything today now with the exception of that big throw uh uh toward a Tyreek Tyreek. Tyreek, yes. That was their entire offense. Mm-hmm. I mean, Mostard had 33 yards. Tua had 25 yards. A-Chan had nine yards.

Waddle had nine. What am I supposed to do with that, don't you? You're not going to do much with that. You're not going to do much with that stat line playing Madden.

If you're playing Madden with that stat line you just named, you're going to lose the game. 11-17. They had 18 passes, 39 pass attempts. You had ample opportunity. You had plenty of time.

You got the ball back. The defense, like you said, did play well, minus all the injuries that we did have. They played well enough. Yeah, they played absolutely. They played unbelievably. We gave you the ball back. Right.

It was 13-7. We gave the ball back, I think, maybe three times, if I'm not mistaken. Yes. Before they were able to get an actual field goal. And then so we'll start

to put the game out of goddamn reach. Yeah. Yeah. Man, I don't think I've ever seen that. Did you see when Mahomes took off

and he got hit and the piece of his helmet popped out. His helmet, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. I thought the helmet was supposed to be a lot more safer now.

Well, I don't know if they really expected it to be out there at minus 23 degrees, though. Okay, you know what? That's right. That's right. That's right.

But you know what? They probably factor stuff like that in. It just caught the right... It was cold. Got caught in the right spot. Very cold.

And it snapped. Yeah. That was crazy. I've never seen that before either. Brandon Depot said, Uncle Ocho, first time commenting, should the fans go all out for Justin Fields? Ocho, that's your team. You like the Dolphins. Tell me what you think they should do. I, uh,

I'm, I'm, I'm, You like the Dolphins. Tell me what you would think they should do. You riding with two or you running back with two or one more year? Yeah, I'm running back with two or one more year. Okay. I'm running back with two. Matter of fact, is it time? Is it time? You know, I'm not sure. Contract-wise, is it time to pay him now or would you run it back with one more year?

Well, he can't be with Joe Burrow. So, theoretically, this would be his fifth year option if I'm not mistaken coming up. Right. Which I think they picked up. Oh, they picked it up already? Yes.

Yes. I would think they'd run it back. I would think they'd run it back because it's times like this. You know, you gave us what you gave us in the regular season, but we're not paying you for that.

We're paying you for what you can do in the postseason in which you're going to be able to lead us in years from now on. So I think that's what comes into play. And Justin Fields, I don't think he's going to make it. I want to see Justin Fields. I want the homie to go to Atlanta. Atlanta?

Yeah, he got some nice stuff to work with over there too. He got some real nice stuff to work with. He's probably the Atlanta area. He's probably crib. He's going to be home. Yeah. Oh the crib. He's going to be home. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's going to be home. Damn, my Dolphins, man. The Texans do a demolition

job on the Browns. C.J. Stroud dissected the number one past offense. He finished with 274 yards, three touchdowns. Those three touchdowns were before the half. Tied an NFL record for most touchdown passes in a playoff game by a rookie. 274, three touchdowns, zero turnovers.

He had 236 of those yards in the first half. At the age of 22 years, 102 days, he became the youngest quarterback in history to win a playoff game. You saw what the Texans did today? Did you see what the Texans did offensively today? They threw the ball. They ran the ball. Yep. Listen, I know they played at home.

I know they played in the Dome. I know it was comfortable. I know the atmosphere of Mother Nature wasn't a factor in the game. But they did exactly what they needed to do to be one of the best defenses in the league. They had some great corners in Newsom. Safety. Great corner in Denzel Ward. Yeah.

They still were able to get things done with their best weapon in Nico Collins. Same thing the Dolphins should have done with Tyreek. They had Jay Luato. I don't understand. CJ Stroud looks like a goddamn 10-year vet. He does. Looks like a damn 10-year vet. He does.

Nothing seemed to rattle him. Nope. Nothing seemed to rattle him. Nope. Nothing seemed to rattle him. Nope. At all. Then CJ Stroud made a play on the screen pass, and of course,

I tweeted out, ladies and gentlemen, CJ Stroud, take a bow. And everybody, they up and on. Oh, man, it was just a screen pass.

I mean, he didn't do the work. All he did was just throw a screen. Hello? Have you seen the body of work and what C.J. Shroud has put together throughout the entirety of this season? Throughout the entirety of this season. I understand it was just a screen pass.

He came back the very next drive. Did you see the touch ball to the tight end? Did you see the touch where he dropped it in the bucket to the tight end? Then I had to treat back again. For all you haters that had something to say, it was just a screen pass.

But what was that? A handoff. What? You know what we say when a guy drop it in the bucket from 30 yards away. He walked back to it. That's a handoff.

That's a deep handoff. Easily. Young brother, man, has changed the then change the franchise around in a matter of months in a matter of months he's completely changed that franchise franchise around and given the fans in the city of houston hope from now on for the next 10 years man he's sensational i mean don't slam past the nico collins that touched down to uh brevin jordan who turned on the jets he's like oh y'all okay oh y'all down to Brevin Jordan who turned on the Jets. He's like, oh, y'all trying to catch me?

Hey. He turned on the Jets, hitting them bowls on them. It was a wrap. He peaced everybody out. It's unbelievable. The defense got Ocho. Remember, I said, hey, Ocho, I like the Browns. I said, but you got to be careful.

I said, Flacco putting up big numbers. I said, but he's turning the ball over also. And I said, see, what over also. And I say, see what's happening is people are just looking at the positive and don't see. Yeah. He's thrown for 350 yards. Right.

Two pigs. Yeah. I said, yeah, he threw for this many, but I said, okay, he got 10 touchdowns in this mini game.

Okay. But going to that column, oh, to the right, a little further. How many INTs? I see. Yeah.

And come playoff time, you pay double for turnovers. And if you have an issue, it gets exacerbated. So what was Flacco's problem in the regular season? Turnovers. Interceptions. Back to back. Game's over.

Game's over. Game's over. I mean, they got up to a great start, and then the offense bogged down. And, you know, it was a decent game right before the half, but I mean, what you call them, scored that touchdown right before the half. And then they got the ball. It didn't do anything.

That was Cleveland's opportunity to try to see that they have something going. And then Flacco throws that pick. They run that back, and then they go for it on fourth down. fourth down great defensive hey know the ball's got to come out quick yeah he jumps it to the house ball game's over you ain't coming in the playoffs you give up it's over no it's a wrap it's a wrap from that it's a wrap from that point on listen i i like i like what i saw from the browns obviously defensively they played well all year long. In a situation like that, with playoffs at stake,

you need better consistent play from your quarterback. Yeah. And not putting the ball in harm's way. Obviously, the Browns didn't look like the same Browns they did when they played Houston early in the season. When I think, was it Case Keenum? Wait, who was the backup quarterback for the Texans? Case Keenum. Wait, who was the backup quarterback for the Texans? Case Keenum.

Yeah, a different ball game. I tweeted that out also before the game. I tweeted out, who do y'all think? Who y'all got today? Now, mind you, keep in mind now, CJ Stroud didn't play the first game. So this Texans team in offense is going to look a lot different than it did when they

played the Browns the first time. Correct. And look what happens. Lo and behold, C.J. Stroud shows up like he's been in the league I don't know how many years and it's surgical. Surgical from the spot. Yeah.

They did a great job on Miles Garrett and Z'Darrius Smith. You know, Cleveland had the number one pass defense, and they didn't do any damage to CJ. You got to get him off his spot. You got to make him uncomfortable as much as you can. I don't care who the quarterback is. You got to get him off his spot.

If you let him do what he normally does, most quarterbacks will pick you apart. And that's from, I don't care how great. Now, the great ones really can find ways to win, even if you get them off their mark. But you got to make it difficult. I mean, you just let him sit back there and throw the ball. Oh, he going to drop it in there like Warren Moon.

The ball going up and down. I mean, he's unbelievable. I mean, a perfect tight spiral. I mean, guys catching it in stride. Ain't nobody having to like turn around and open their hips and catch the ball and like damn you gave me a better ball i could have done something with that yes oh joe he put it in the pocket and giving guys opportunity to run after the catch that's all you for a wide receiver tight end a guy that catches the ball that's all i'm asking give me an opportunity to do something with it but nico nico collins special man oh yeah i do

i don't know if i don't know if it's obviously it's his Nico, Nico Carlin's special, man. Oh, yeah, that dude. I don't know if, I don't know if, obviously, it's his third year. It's the year of, either you made it or you didn't. Your third year is your make it or break year.

Yeah, for sure. If I'm not mistaken, I think it's Nico Carlin's third year, man. He was 6'9", 6'. He had a T-Digit day. He has arrived. He has arrived.

No Tang Dale. Man. Who do you think the Texans got to play now? They're going to play the winner out of... They were the fourth seed. So they'll play... They'll be whoever.

They'll play... Not the be whoever. They'll play. Not the one out of Steelers. No, the lower seed, they will go Baltimore. Oh, shit. Ouch. Unless Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh beats Buffalo. Buffalo.

Pittsburgh goes to Baltimore. Right. And then Kansas. Yeah, Pittsburgh would go to Baltimore. Right. And then Kansas and, yeah, Pittsburgh would go to Baltimore. And then, hold on. Yeah, I'm not confused. Pittsburgh would go to Baltimore because they're the seventh seed. And then Buffalo would get, no, hold on. Yeah, the Bills win.

If the Bills win, they play the Chiefs, and then the Texans go to, right. That's what happens. If Pittsburgh win, Pittsburgh goes to Baltimore, and then the Texans go to Kansas City. If Buffalo wins, the Texans go to Kansas City. If Buffalo wins, the Texans go to Baltimore, and Kansas City goes to Buffalo. That's what happens. Okay, okay, okay. The funny thing about it is

with Stroud, I think if they have to face the Chiefs, what we expected or what we needed, I'm not saying expected. Well, obviously, we expected as a Dolphin fan, what we wanted Tua to do is what I think CJ Shroud will be able to do. Yeah. And utilizing the weapons.

Singletary will be able to establish a run. They will find ways to be creative, move Inigo Collins around. And the Texans are a team that you don't want to play come playoff time. You know what I'm saying? Three points ain't going playoff time. You know the thing is... Three points ain't going to cut it. You know the thing is... You know what makes the Texans scary?

What? They don't ever know they're not supposed to be here. That's the problem. Yeah. Somebody forgot to tell them, you got a rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback. Yeah. Somebody forgot to tell them, you got a rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback. You're not supposed to be this good right now. Right, right.

Now you got a problem on your head because they know we belong. Right. They believe they belong. Belong, right. You got a problem on your head. Mm-hmm. Excuse me. And if they don't turn the ball over, right. You got a problem on your hands. Excuse me. And if they don't turn the ball over,

in which they don't, I mean, C.J. Stroud doesn't turn the ball over. He protects the ball. Man. This is a team for the future. I don't know where else. Look, I understand. Stefanski had a great year. Dan Campbell had a great year.

There's a lot of worthy. But if D'Amico Rhymes is not unanimous coach of the year, would a rookie quarterback? And C.J. Stroud, look, like I said, Ocho, we talked about this about this we understand Puka broke the records most catches by a rookie he broke Jalen's Rodham Jalen Jalen Waddle's record most receiving yards Bill Gorman but it's CJ CJ's rookie of the year. Different. CJ's rookie of the year. Congratulations to the Texans. 45-14 win over the Browns. Proving that this was

not a fluke. This is not an accident. It's not luck. They belong. They deserve. They earned the right to be in the playoffs and they earned a victory. Ain't no deserve. At this point in time, you earn it. You ain't no deserve at this point in time you earn it you don't get it deserve deserve what

you earn what you get they earned this opportunity and you see what they're capable of doing this is unbelievable congratulations to the Houston Texans you got a coach and you got a quarterback Houston fans y'all don't have a problem

y'all don't have a problem. Y'all don't have a problem. Houston, you got a problem. You don't. Absolutely. For the next decade. You got solutions. For the next decade.

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Mayo, 37 years old, is the youngest coach in the NFL taking over that title from Sean McVay. Mayo is a month younger than McVay. Gerard Mayo was a linebacker with the Patriots from 2008 to 2015 after being selected in the first round. Mayo joined Belichick's coaching staff in 2019 serving as the linebacker coach. The Patriots were able to forego the standard hiring process and immediately hire Mayo

because it established a succession plan in the contract extension he signed last offseason. Similar to what the Ravens did with their general manager position, Eric DeCosta, who succeeded Ozzie Newsome. I know Eric, know Ozzie as as well so let's talk about

coach Belichick yeah because I don't think we were on when the news broke that coach Belichick was stepping down but we could we kind of saw this and I kind of felt that when they first started with the self-workaholic broke the article about Coach Belichick wanting to move and he wanted to exert Jimmy G. And Mr. Kraft said, no, you will get rid of Jimmy G. And he basically gave him away for a second round pick to Kyle Shanahan because I think so much of Kyle. I said the next time and this will come up again. The next time Coach Belichick is going to win out. Yeah, he went out. Yeah. He won

out and he probably would have got some grace had Tom Brady not won that Super Bowl in Tampa. Yeah. Because I believe that Coach Belichick told Mr. Kraft that Tom Brady was on his last legs and he probably told him

Bob, Robert, whatever. I think he called it Robert. Tom doesn't have it anymore. Right. He said, OK, Billy, I'm going to trust you. You close to it. Blah, blah, blah. And they moved on.

And you moved on and you didn't get no compensation. No, no compensation. Somebody pulled the trigger a little too fast somebody pulled the trigger a little too fast listen for one they had to get rid of jimmy g i love tom i love tom but one thing i think a quarterback of that magnitude doesn't want is somebody over your shoulder yeah that they feel is adequate to run the offense and take over mm-hmm I think that's the reason I'm not sure who's dealing it was or who made the decision to get rid of a Jimmy G but then it takes the pressure off for Tom as well because I think Bill at some point would have wanted to have get rid of

Tom thinking he's on his last leg and allow that team to go forward and Jimmy G as a starting quarterback of course because here's the thing Ocho at some point in time if you're not

careful when you got to and you're successful, and it's a dual system. Right. Who's going to get the credit? And I ain't talking about, I don't want to hear nothing about no 50-50. We talk about, oh, this marriage, there ain't no marriage 50-50. Somebody gives a little bit more. Right.

Always. And the other. Coach Belichick wanted to prove that he could win a championship without Tom Brady. I'll go to my grave believing that. I don't believe Tom wanted to leave New England. Nah. I don't believe he wanted

to leave New England. But he was tired of Coach Belichick. Coach Belichick had said things and made, you know, when Tom had the gash in his hand and he said, well, it wasn't open heart surgery. And Tom's like, bro, are you serious? I'm not saying I had a transplant, but don't minimize it. Don't make it seem like it was a nothing. Right.

So, and when I think Tom was like, then what they did is last year there, they took money and they gave it to him, like, they made his salary like $23 million. But they took all the years off and they couldn't franchise him. I said, you go home. Yeah. If you want Tom Brady, you extend it. It's as simple as that. If they want you, they can just go ahead and extend it.

Especially you, a vet. You proving your worth. You just extend it. It's as simple as that. If they want you, they can just go ahead and stay. Especially you, a vet. You've proven your worth. You're just extending. Why not just extend it for another two years? Because Belichick was ready to move on. Tom wasn't ready to move on. Tom moved on out of necessity. He's like, well, hell, you don't put me

outside. I might as well leave. Now I'm not going to stay on your porch. And I'm not going to beg you to stay. Yeah. Jump the gun. Jump the gun big time. And in order to have success, and we can see it, we look at the landscape of all the quarterbacks, all the teams that have had success, all the teams that are having success right now, since Tom left New England, you got to have a quarterback. And Belichick has not been able to answer that. And Belichick has not been able to answer

that question. Belichick has not been able to fill that role and fill that void of someone that is adequate enough to obviously run the offense because your defense is good. The defense is good. I don't care what the New England record says. That defense shows up to play week in and week out. But if you have a quarterback that can run

the offense and at least compete week in and week out then you would be okay Belichick would still be coaching the New England Patriots and Gerard Mayer wouldn't have that job if he had a quarterback that was competent all he had to do was just keep keep Brady for those three look here there's something and I get it sometimes and I go back and forth because you know when, when you play a player, you play. I mean, but it wasn't like, was he the same? But he didn't have.

And I think it was a blessing and a curse because he didn't have the talent that he got when he got to Tampa. He didn't have a Mike Evans. He didn't have a Godwin. He didn't have a Gronkite tied in in New England. If you gave him that, I believe he could have won another Super Bowl in New England. Yeah, most definitely. And I think even not having those type of individuals and those type of players, he would have been able to overcome that because he's familiar with the system.

He's familiar with the players that were there. Hold on, Ojo. From a Seth Wickersham article yesterday, Bill had told me he couldn't play anymore. From a Seth Wickersham article yesterday, Bill had told me he couldn't play anymore. Kraft said privately after watching Brady win a Super Bowl in Tampa. And he, no, check this out. Let me, I get so excited. Seth Wickersham article yesterday.

Bill had told me he couldn't play anymore. Kraft said privately after watching Brady win in Tampa and goes out and wins an effing Super Bowl. Both men sent Brady congratulatory texts, but they had lost control of the narrative of their own careers, and they both knew that the team celebrating a seventh title should have been their team

and the wound began to fester. I don't know. You you goddamn chickens before they hatch. You never, listen, telling a man, someone like Brady, knowing what he went through, seventh round pick, all the Super Bowls he's brought you,

all the success he's brought you, all of a sudden telling them, you know what, you ain't got it no more. We don't even want you no more. If you could say that, he threw for 4,000 yards. But let's just say for his last year in New England was a down year. You mean to tell me one down year, that man, after all the goodwill that man had given you, he can't have one down year?

Seriously. One down. So you mean to tell me after everything that man had given you, that man can't have an offseason. If you said whatever he threw for, I think he still threw for 4,000 yards. I think it's, what did he throw for his last year? Hold on just a second, ladies and gentlemen. What did Brady last year in New England, which was 2019?

You mean to tell me, Ojo, Tom Brady, after everything that he's given you, he can't have one offseason and you're ready to move on? That's not the way Bill thinks. Bill was the owner. Bill was the GM. Bill was the head coach. He made all the calls.

He made all the shots. He did all the drafting. He did everything. But I think what Bill failed to realize is no matter who you drafted, no matter who you brought there, as long as the nucleus and centerpiece to that franchise was there, it was going to always work. It was going to always work, especially offensively.

The pieces to the puzzle on offense changed consistently year in and year out for almost damn near 17 years. But as long as that number 12 piece was there, you always knew that that offense was going to be able to function and work just like an engine. No matter what pieces you put in there, it was going to run. All you had to do was start

the goddamn key and press the pedal. The car was going to drive itself. Long as you had the same person behind the wheel. He threw for 4,057 yards, 24 touchdowns, eight picks on a 12-4 record. So let's just say for the sake of argument, and that's what you and I, we debate sometimes. We're not even having a conversational show.

We're having a discussion. Let's just say that's a down year for Tom Brady. You willing to move on from him with that? Well, he was. I'm thinking maybe he was the reason on why he was successful. That's the only thing I can think of. Because if you don't even have an answer for Tom, and you think you're getting someone out the draft

putting up numbers like that? Oh, you see what CJ Stroud has done? And thinking, well, maybe I can, I can get lucky. But you're never going to be high enough up to get a CJ Stroud.

And even Tom Brady, Tom Brady wasn't bad his first year. Even his first year starting, Tom Brady wasn't bad. Right. Hell, if it was, if it was,

if it was Coach Belichick, Drew Bledsoe would have done it. Remember? So if any quarterback can work in that system, Drew Bledsoe should have been able to do what Tom Brady did. If any quarterback can do it, because Drew Bledsoe

was the first quarterback to get a $100 million contract. He had 11 teams in the Super Bowl. So if it's the system, okay, why didn't he do it? Yeah. Different man. So, and look at the guy. Look at the receivers and

the running back and the skill position players once they leave New England. How they look. Deion Branch was Super Bowl MVP. How did he look in Seattle? That was that boy, man. How did he look in Seattle after winning the Super Bowl MVP how did he look in Seattle that was that boy now how did he look in Seattle after winning the Super Bowl MVP

tell the people at home Ocho they didn't know how did he look it's different it's different it's different outside of that system and the way

the way they're able to use you when they use you it's different different that offense was and i think i mentioned it on uh a few shows ago when i said it's one of the few offenses in the league where the offense is run from the inside out yeah not from the outside in yes you know yes one of the few one of the few if not if not the only, matter of fact, that has run like that. You know? Your first look is your slots.

You work from the inside out. Your slot, your tight end. Hell, your third choice might be the running back. Sometimes your first choice might be the running back. Then you go to the outside. Ego. Ego does it every time. But I think Mr. Kraft, Mr. Kraft, and I know him and I talk to him.

Every time I see him, I give him a big old hug because he's always been great to me. And the one thing he'll always tell me is that you do your homework. You're very well prepared. Oh, yeah. I think they're so opposite, Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick. They're so opposite each other. They're so opposite, Mr. Kraft and Coach Belichick. They're so opposite each other. Complete opposite. But because you're winning, he stomached a lot of things that Coach Belichick was doing.

Where Jerry Jones' ego was so big, he couldn't do it anymore. Right. And it cost him. Mr. Kraft says, I got as much as I could. I should have got seven. You cost me one, Bill. Mm- him. Mr. Krafft says, I got as much as I could. I should have got seven. You cost me one, Bill. Jerry is doing everything he possibly can to get that one, to get another one.

What happens if, but whatever, I would love the Cowboys to continue to make a long run into the playoffs. If they don't, what are the chances of a Jerry Jones and a Bill Belichick working together? Never. Bro, he got rid

of Jimmy. Who finds a back-to-back winning Super Bowl coach, Ocho? Let that sink in. You know how hard it is. You played, what, 12 years in the league and never won one. No. I won

one on Madden. You won one on Madden. The coach won back-to-back Super Bowls and your top three players, none are over the age of 28. Can't get out your own way, huh? So Belichick and Dallas not happening. That ain't happening. That's not happening.

Since since Parcells, Jerry's only hired guys that have the head coach title and name only. He's the head coach. Why you think he be giving press conference? Why you think he's telling you who's going to start and who's injured and how long they're going to be out? Maybe they brief Jerry first and then Jerry says, Jerry

regurgitates it. He won't allow the coaches to actually be the coach. And I said that I hope he stays in the back in the background throughout the playoffs, I hope he stays in the back, in the background throughout the playoffs. I hope he stays in the background and just don't do it. Don't add no

bulletin board material. Don't add no added pressure to the team. Allow them boys and allow them to just go out there and play. But, you know, I like the Gerard Mayo hire.

I do too. I do. He's familiar with the system. He's familiar with how the organization works. Works. Yeah. I was there with him one year. Very, very, very, very, but what they he's familiar with the system he's familiar with how the organization works works yeah I was there

I was there with him one year very very very very very brilliant brilliant mind brilliant defensive mind and really knows and understands the game to the point where obviously

it was it was a no brainer as far as him being a successor to Bill Belichick but for his sake and what he still needs to do they still need a quarterback on

yeah they still need a quarterback on. Yeah. They still need a quarterback or we just, we're going to be back in the same situation three years from now. Yep. He needs a quarterback.

They got to get him a quarterback. I'm not sure who, who they're going to get if it's going to be through free agency, whether it's going to be through the draft, but they got to get a quarterback

so they can build from there. That's for starters. That's for starters. That's for starters. Getting the head coach job is one thing. Once you figure that quarterback situation, that's a burden off your shoulders and you can go from there.

Yeah, I agree. Three players make first team all pro, but did not make the Pro Bowl. Antoine Winfield Jr., Armand Ross St. Brown, and Quincy Williams. Coach, I don't know if people know this, that the All-Pro team is over the entire NFL. When you make a Pro Bowl, it's the AFC, it's the NFC.

The All-Pro team is a higher honor than the Pro Bowl. Both are honors, but the All-Pro team, that means I'm one of the two best receivers in the entire league. Not one of the four best receivers in my conference. So, go ahead. What do you like?

I thought Antoine Winfield Jr. should have made the Pro Bowl over Buda Baker. Easily. Statistically. Statistically speaking, if you look at the stats, it's a no-brainer almost. At some point, they used to say this even during my time when I was playing at the Pro Bowl, sometimes the players

weren't deserving, but because they had done great things in the past, it became somewhat a popularity contest. Of course. Because their name is there, they were making Pro Bowls based on their name alone, not the stats that they put up throughout the season. True. I think this was Buda Baker, obviously, great player.

Great, great player. I love Buda. I love what he's done. One of my favorite safeties to watch. He reminds me of Bob Sanders, the way he just plays a game and has no regard for his body or anybody else's. But this year, it should have been Antoine Winfield Jr. But he didn't earn a Pro Bowl slot this year. I ain't going to say deserve.

He didn't earn it this year. Antoine Winfield Jr. earned that spot. Yeah, he did. He did. And I mean, it's unfortunate. Go ahead. Hey, Amon St. Brown should have been in the Pro Bowl. Okay.

If you put him in Who you taking out though? Remember now When you put somebody in You got to take somebody out You got to take somebody out Listen I don't know You taking CeeDee out

No you can't take CeeDee Come on You taking A.J. Brown out A.J. Brown had a phenomenal year You taking your boy Puka out You can't Not with what he's done as a rookie You taking Mike Evans out

See that's tough man Now that you just said He's done as a rookie. You're taking Mike Evans out. See, that's tough, man. You just said he's blowing the promo, so you got to take somebody out on Joe. Yeah, see, you can't. You can't. So it's unfair. It's damn near unfair.

But he deserves to be there. But making an All-Pro, making an All-Pro for him in his 30, this is St. Brown's 30, Amon's 30, ain't it? It's the perfect year to make it. Especially be All-Pro. If you don't make the Pro Bowl, having that All-Pro on your resume speaks volumes.

It speaks volumes, especially when it's time for that Brink truck. Oh, yeah. For sure. Pro Bowl? No. All-Pro. I take the All-Pro much. I take the All-Pro. That's leverage right there and there.

I mean, it's nice to think that, okay, to have a season, you know, I've been very fortunate to make up. I was an all pro in all, you know, four of my eight pro, in my pro bowl of my four of my eight, I was first team all pro. Right. Second team and another one. So I get it but the big the first one was the most important to me because my brother was an all pro to have two

brothers same year first team all pro i thought that was a big yeah yeah so once i thought that was a positive man i got to get this thing i tried to get it yeah i tried to get a thousand yards that season but i fell five yards short. That's neither here nor there. But you're right, Ocho, to be an All-Pro. And like I said, I don't want people to think that the Pro Bowl is not an honor. It is. It's a great honor. But the All-Pro is a higher honor because it encompasses the entire league, not just a conference.

It's not just NFC and AFC. Because if you notice, like the AFC, the quarterbacks, you take three quarterbacks. There are six quarterbacks going to the Pro Bowl. Yeah. There's only one starting quarterback for the All-Pro team. First team, that's Lamar Jackson. And then the backup, I think, was Dak.

Who's the second team All-Quarterback? Dak Prescott or Brock Purdy? Because I think both of those guys, two votes. They got two votes, and I think, of those guys two votes they got two votes and I think what you call them got one vote vote Josh Allen that was the second okay that was the second team quarterback for the all

protein right okay and at last all I mean how many all pros you think I went to Ocho with two oh you a two time First team all pro That's it Two

Two and a six time Pro bowler Oh they cheated me man They cheated me They got you Yeah they cheated me bro I should have been I should have been

All pro at least Four five times Yeah Damn Damn I can still play now I can lace them up But they can

They can use my services next year. Hey. Most of the time, I don't even lace up my shoes. I can't lace up nothing. I ain't going to tell nobody. I can't even tell nobody no lie with you. Sometimes, my shoes, I just be walking around, lacing up top, stepping over shoes. I ain't lacing up nothing.

Nothing, huh? Nope. Nope. I can't. And Quincy Williams made it as an all-pro. Oh, yeah. Hey, he nice. Yeah, oh, yeah.

He a thumper. He nice. Oh, he definitely a thumper. He coming down here with bad intentions. He nice. Yeah. I like him. I like him a lot.

I like the fact that he's like, yeah, I know my brother Quinny, but, hey, I'm making a name for my damn self. Quinny ain't making no tackles for me. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of times, you know, people think, you know, for the longest time, Ojo, what I had to overcome, people talk about, oh, man, you got to the NFL because of your brother. Huh? You never make it off a name, man. That ain't work.

That might work. That might work in college. Yeah. Sterling Sharp couldn't help the Broncos. What good is Sterling Sharp? Oh. Man, please. I had a good idea to make them plays.

You got to have some type of, you got to be able to play the game. You got to bring some type of value and be able to help that 53-man roster. Yes! You got to be able to help. Ain't no charity in the NFL. At all. So, three players make first team all

pro but did not make the Pro Bowl. Antoine Winfield Jr., Armand Ross St. Brown and Quincy Williams. Congratulations to you guys. Deserved to make the Pro Bowl. You earned first team all pro. Congratulations. So hopefully that

lessens the sting of not making the Pro Bowl. It should. DJ Moore says he doesn't work out in the offseason. Instead, he stays at Disney World, drinks Mountain Dew, and smokes cigars. Take off Ocho. Ocho versus Science.

So you didn't work out either, huh? I worked out in the offseason. No, no, no. I'm talking about the cigar i like the cigar part i like the cigar i like the cigar part in the mountain dew i like i like that part oh joe yes sir why do you feel what so you feel you so how did that make you feel you feel like you said something huh not not really i mean listen dj moore does what works for dj moore chad johnson did what works for chad johnson ocho cinco did what works for och Moore Chad Johnson did what works for Chad Johnson Ocho Cinco did what works for Ocho Cinco

My regime Or routine was a little different than everybody One thing you do know about me If you do know Even if you don't I work like a madman I work like a madman I work like a crazed dog in the off season

During season When I ain't supposed to be working I'm still working I ain't played a game in be working, I'm still working. I ain't played a game in almost a decade. I'm still training right now. Like I'm playing and I'm going to get opportunity. I'm going to get a phone call.

I don't. That's just me. I just like to be doing something. I like to be doing something active and just, but listen, DJ Moore, I think maybe he exaggerated a little bit. I think maybe this is probably being taken out of context because I'm sure he does do something active-wise. I'll tell you what he hadn't done, made a Pro Bowl on all protein.

He hadn't done that. Was DJ Moore a first-round pick? But let me guess. Okay, when he was in Carolina, so he turned it up. Okay, so what? So that explains it. Hey, DJ Moore nice now. Don't do that.

DJ Moore nice. Did you see DJ Moore and CJ and Justin Fields go to work this year? Hold on. What was he saying? He's so nice. Is he a top 10 receiver? Top 10? Top 10.

He could be. No, I ain't talking about could be. Right now. I don't have everybody's name. Okay. You're taking them over Tyreek. You're taking them over CD. You're taking them over AJ Brown. You're naming all the top dogs. I gotta get to 10. Oh,

damn. Okay, get to 10 then. Keep going. Okay, so Tyreek, CD, AJ Brown, Puka. Who you got to book? Give me the receivers that made the Pro Bowl. As you're going to put that. Give me the receivers that made the Pro Bowl. Mike Evans.

Mike Evans. Okay. Armand Ray St. Brown. Okay. Justin Jefferson. Jamar Chase. Oh, shit. Oh, don't do all that. Don't Okay, that's six. Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase. Oh, shit. Oh, don't do all that. Don't do all that. Come on, give me two more.

You taking Zay Flowers over him? Ooh. Let me have a go. Hey, DJ. Devontae Adamsams you taking devontae over him hey you know what maybe he maybe he's not in the top 10 maybe he's not in the top 10 right stay with me now no no no we can't do maybe that ain't what we do here no joe is he a top tier receiver it's a simple yes or a simple no. Okay. Tier two.

Tier two. Tier two. You know how you say there are tiers of receivers. He's a great tier two with the ability to be tier one. Can I do that? I'm taking Pittman over him. I'm taking Nico Collins over him. I'm taking Pittman from Andy over him.

I'm taking Nico Collins of the Houston Texans over him. You are too. I'm taking Amari Cooper over him. You are too. And what about your dog? I thought you loved George Pickens. Now you don't like Pickens? That's my dog.

What about DK Metcalf? That's that boy too. What about Debo? What about Debo? Now youcalf? Oh, that's that boy too. Oh, what about Debo? Hey, do you see? What about Debo? Brandon, are you? Now, you know, now I'm at 18. I just gave you 18 guys.

But listen, you understand how well DJ Moore played this season? Do you understand what DJ Moore did for the Chicago Bears this season? He about to get out of the top 20. You keep on talking, I'm going to name some more guys. I don't like where you're going with this. You're making me uncomfortable. You keep on talking, I'm going to name some more guys. I want to stop.

I ain't even put Brandon Ayuk in there yet. Yeah, I called his name already. You didn't call Brandon Ayuk. I did. I said Ayuk. I said Ayuk. When you say a depot, I say Brandon Ayuk. Okay. I think this is being blown out of proportion. I think out of context, I think he might've said this jokingly. I didn't see the interview. I didn't see where it was said, but I guarantee you, he didn't, he didn't really mean it likeseason. They all get together. They all do something. I think, obviously, the Disney World thing might have been a joke.

I think he probably does smoke cigars. I bet he probably does drink Mountain Dew. I ain't even put D-Hop in there. Oh, that's... Hey, boy, Mr. Consistency. Probably the best hands of all time. That's a good one. That's a good one.

Oh, you done named some dogs and the guy we done forgot about him my cup running forward Cooper Cup oh yeah Mr. Triple Crown yes you know what the league right now

the receiver the receivers are deep you make the pro bowl or you make an All-Pro team, you should be honored. Yeah, you that boy. You that boy. You should be honored. Because based off everybody's name,

you just named... It's some... That's a tough crowd. That's a tough crowd, man. It used to be like that. Because think about it. In the mid-80s until like the mid-90s, it was one spot available for first team all pro.

You know Jerry was going to get one. So now you got my brother. You got Chris Carter. You got Herman Moore. You got Andre Rison. You got Andre Reid. You got Tim Brown. You got all those guys fighting for one spot.

Yeah. Because Jerry going to get the other one. You already know. Jerry going to get 150 targets. What you want? Right. Isaac Bruce, all those guys you're talking about, there was one spot available.

Jimmy Smith. Yes. Damn. Hey, you know what's funny? There have been some great receivers that aren't aren't spoken on enough and that is you mentioned that you're jogging my memory of the 80s and the 90s the early 2000s and even today's game the receivers have always been plenty plentiful always always it's always been loaded always oh that's crazy when you think about it like that. Always. But DJ Moore is good.

Yeah, he's a solid receiver. DJ Moore is good. I really don't think he really meant what he was saying here, though. Sometimes what guys try to do, oh, man, I'm doing all this and I don't really work out. But, I mean, come on, bro. I mean, nobody looking at you like, oh, man, you're in the NFL, so what? You got to the NFL, so what? You got to the NFL and you didn't work out at all?

So you just got here. You're the only player that ever got to the NFL. So you be the only, you be the first and only player that doesn't work out in the NFL. Stop. He work out. He work out. I know he do. Because you wouldn't be able to have the season you had this year and not work out. You wouldn't have been able to do some of the things you did in the past when you were with the Panthers without working out.

He put that work in. He put that work in. He should. But see, I named 20 receivers. I don't like that. I don't like that. Well, you the one that said, let me think about it. So I named 10. You said, no, I named 10 more.

You put me in an uncomfortable spot with my fellas, man. Check this out. Bulls fan, boo, widow of J.N. Krause doing the Bulls Ring of Honor ceremony. Ochoa was embarrassing. You know what? Wait a minute.

Stay with me. You understand people. You understand how people are very fickle. People have a memory people have understanding the way he was depicted in the last dance gave me a better understanding on why they might have booed people i think should be forgiven forgiving for the fact we the way he was depicted but that's not j Crouch. That's his wife. That's his wife, Ocho. Well, them people don't...

You looking for graciousness from society? Well, you know they don't play that. I don't agree with the booing. I'm just trying to get people to understand that, okay, you're connected to someone that has something to do with back in

the days things didn't sit well from my understanding he didn't treat people uh as as well as he should have and this was the result oh and we forgot stephan digs too to. Ooh. Wait. Come on. I ain't mentioned Gary Wilson, Chris Olave, Drake London. I'm done. I'm done with it, Ochoa. I'm done. We passed that.

Hold on. Let me ask you a question. You would have a better understanding and historic sense of Jerry Krause and what happened. I had to do my homework, though, in understanding why they booed. Can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. Did Michael Jordan treat everybody great? Did he? I'm asking you. You saw the last dance. You told me you saw the last dance. So when the last dance was depicted, did he treat everybody great? Yes or no?

No. I think that was part of what made him great. Oh, but it didn't make J.K. Krause great. Oh, so treating people bad only makes one person great, not the other. Oh, okay. I'm just checking. No, no, no.

Listen, listen. Michael Jordan was Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was a different individual. Michael Jordan moved and acted a certain way. And that way is what made him who he is today, which is why he's the greatest of all time. Even no matter what you think about Michael Jordan, without Jerry Krause, there are no titles. Jerry Krause put this together.

You know how we know? Because when Michael Jordan had an opportunity to put a team together in Washington and he had 15 years to put the Bobcats together, how many titles did they win? The timing, the timing, the timing, the timing and players available at that time to be able to put a team together is very important. He traded Charles Oakley and got Bill Cartwright. He moved up and got Scottie Pippen. He got Horace Grant. He got Tony Kukoc. We got to give

this man credit. If you want to give Michael Jordan credit for winning, give the guy that built it credit for doing that. I don't know what, listen, and I get it. The way he was depicted. Yeah. But, you know, they don't want to give him no credit. They make it seem like Michael

Jordan. Okay okay Michael Jordan says I want Scottie Pippen I want Ho Grant or as a matter of fact why don't you trade he didn't like none of the moves hmm

he didn't like when it got rid of Doug Collins his guy yeah listen you know more about basketball you know more about

the history of basketball I had to look up when I saw about the booing I had to look up and see why about the booing i had to look up and see why are they booing so and so why does the widow have to then so i am not really knowledgeable on what jerry kraus did back in that day i did see the last dance i understood the issues that mike might might have had with jerry um but's unfortunate. But asking for grace from people in this era and society in general.

Well, you know, people don't. They ain't forgiving. They ain't forgetting nothing either. Jerry Krause was the one that brought in Tex Winter and Phil Jackson. Implement the triangle offense. What we see a lot of teams run. The Lakers won five championships with that offense. The Bulls won six.

Steve Kerr was also there, which he ended up taking that to the Golden State Warriors. Drafted Horace Grant. Traded Odin Polonese for a guy named Scottie Pippen. Flipped Charles Oakley for Bill Cartwright, the starting center on the 91-92 championship team. Scottie had selected Tony Kukoc in a 90 draft that was coming at your good part. And then he picked up Ron Harper in 94, traded Will Perdue for the worm. Huh?

You mean to tell me he did all that? And you booed a man that did that? Yeah. You know what would be dope? It would be dope. Well, obviously we don't have the opportunity, but it would be dope to hear people

that are from Chicago doing that era, or maybe people that are just fans of the game in general. Maybe that's even in the chat watching. Why? How do you feel about it? Why would you boo? Why did they boo? To get a better understanding on why,

because it has to be deeper than what we talking about it has to be let me I tell you what it would be the equivalent when New England go and they put Bill Belichick in the ring and they boo him because he traded Tom Brady nah that ain't enough

that ain't enough it That ain't enough. Why not? It's been, what, seven years? How many years since Mr. Krause passed away? Seven years ago, if I'm not mistaken, right? Maybe so. I think so.

But something that long ago. I don't think the people of New England aren't born because he traded Tom Brady. I don't think the people of New England, the people of New England aren't booing because he traded Tom Brady. I'm just saying if they did, I'm just saying if they booed Coach Belichick. Oh, using that as an example. Yes.

Okay, okay. I see you going with it. It has to be more than that. It has to be more than that. The people keep saying, well, he alienated who? Because Michael was trying to trade Michael like North Carolina

players, Jay Krause knew that those North Carolina players yeah you tell him I can get James Worthy I'll take it, if you tell him I can get Sam Perkins yes but all those other guys they couldn't play he don't know.

I know. To be able to look Michael Jordan, who was the face of the league, and says, no, I'm not trained for those guys. I don't want those guys on this team, and those guys can't help us win. Look at the guys, what he did. He did that.

And y'all, the boo for what? I bet you 50% of the people wasn't even around, wasn't even there when Jerry Krause was running the boos. I have a question. Let's say with all the changes and the people that Jerry Krause brought in, you take Michael Jordan out the equation, do they still win those six championships?

I tell you, I don't believe you take, if you take Jerry Krause out of there, I don't believe you win those six championships. I believe they go hand in hand. He put that team together. So how many championships have we won before Krause took over? Was Mike there? Yes, he was

there in 84. He got there in 84. He's there in 84. He's the third pick in the draft. Oh, rookie year. Yeah. I mean, how many rookies have taken? Okay, 85. Okay, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89.

I mean, when they... He didn't win until year six, huh? Jordan? He won in 91. Okay. Yeah, you might be right. You might be on to something. Coach Belichick, all I'm saying is the equivalent. Coach Belichick

put the Patriots together. He deserves some credit. Even if you want to say Jordan deserved Jordan and Phil, we want to give the guy to actually compete the lion's share of the credit. I got no problem with that. I really don't, Ocho just to to say that this man had no bearing or minimal bearing right in the success of the bulls is just not true right it's just not true because it was that easy why isn't

everybody winning championships if just anybody can just willy-nilly, arbitrarily just put a team together, why isn't it working like that? Nah, shit me. Listen, timing and the right people coming along, putting the puzzle together. Those are the right pieces to the puzzle, which is why we're able to do it. Yeah. I mean, shit, even I understand.

You know, I'm not big on basketball. You know that. I'm not big on basketball. I had a time where I was able to watch Jordan, you know, as I not big on basketball i had a had a time where i was able to watch jordan you know as i was growing up my grandfather watching jordan so i was forced to be forced to have to watch during that time didn't know what the hell was going on yes but got an understanding on how great jordan is as i as i continued to grow and get older and understanding he was a standard he was a standard on what greatness is. So I kind of,

I somewhat understood. I already know, listen, ain't no way in hell y'all should be booing what Jerry Krause did for that organization during that time. But then I also understand society and that they are not, they are not forgiven at all. Whatever it may be,

there's a bad taste that was left in their mouth. I'm not sure what that taste is. That didn't boo Jordan when he retired for a year and a half. We talk about that boy, man. You need to make up your mind. You say society is not forgiven. Are they forgiven or are they not?

So you don't think Jordan ever got booed? You saw what they did to LeBron, huh? When LeBron left Cleveland? You see them burning jerseys? I'm saying Jordan. You said society's unforgiving. They welcomed him with open arms. Let's just say for the sake of argument. People are upset because the way he was portrayed in the last dance

is that he broke up the championship team. Did he not put it together? So he is the reason it broke up. That's what it was portrayed as. I don't know. What do you think? What do you think in general? Jerry Reinsdorf, look,

they were, look, Scottie Pippen was on his left. You remember Scottie Pippen, that bat had gone out. Oh yeah, his bat was messed up. That's right. God, they had started to age. Look, I would have loved to see them

come back at least one more year and to see. Maybe he broke it up a year early. He says I'd rather break it up a year early as opposed to a year late. It's the same thing. Are the New England Patriots fans going to say, Bill, you broke us up, broke our championship up because

we could have got another championship with Tom Brady. That's all I'm saying. Coach Belichick picked all the players. He made all the trades. Yes, Tom was the guy that's making all those comebacks. Yes,

but if we're going to give Coach Belichick for putting it together, because it seems like to me, Mr. Krause says, yeah, okay, you had three years to put something else together, and it's not. Hey, okay, hey, things happen. People be together. People been married for 25 years, and all of a sudden they grow apart. Yeah.

But all I'm saying is I just – look, and I get it, but I just don't – I'll never understand why. It's kind of like Commissioner Goodell. Like every time he goes somewhere, they boo him. What y'all booing him for? Because y'all saw somebody else boo. And y'all saw this fan base boo. And that fan base boo.

And y'all keep that boo job going. It's dumb actually for me. So I'm just trying to figure out what are you booing for? Tell me what are you booing for? Every draft. Same thing. Y'all still watch it. The ratings go up every single year. the ratings go up every single year the attendance go up every

single year but every time he come out for the draft y'all boo you booing but i just want to know why you're booing right uh well it just seemed like they started it once upon a time well he suspended my favorite player or he did this and so let's just keep it going yeah there's always a reason behind it. And if you ask a hundred people, what's the reason for booing? You'll get a hundred different answers. If you ask a hundred different people

that are from Chicago or basketball fans of that time, during that tenure, during that era, why y'all booing Mr. Krause? He's not even here. His wife is here. It's disrespectful.

You get a hundred different answers on why. I'm trying to figure out. Somebody tweeted about, fuck you, a 1,000% company man. How? I've been called. Actually, I've been called a lot of things in my life. That's one thing I've never been called.

A what? A company guy. What that mean? I guess I am a company guy because this is my damn show. You're exactly right. I am a company guy because this is my damn show. You're exactly right. I'm a company guy. This is my ish.

So y'all just keep tweeting that, oh, you company this, you company that. You're absolutely right. Nightcap is my creation. This is me and Ocho. So we get to say what the F we want. You're right.

I am a company. Now that I think about it, Ocho, I'm the damn company. Shay, Shay, me, that's me. Hold on, hold on. You got me lost now. You got to give me a better understanding of when somebody calls you a company. Now that I think about it, I'm the damn company. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You got me lost now. You got to give me a better understanding of when somebody calls you a company guy. Because when, uh, when you don't say, when you don't agree with what they agree with,

they say you're a company person. So like when I was on FS1, people like your company, how you remember when Colin Kaepernickick came out i was the only one on television that took the stance that i took they didn't they didn't put it on the youtube channel i took that hit when everybody would say man you go well it is what it is it was fun while it lasted if they say shannon take your blood home I still had two and a half years left on my contract. I'd have went home. I say what I want.

Right. I do my homework. Y'all can't get mad. I'm not, listen, I understand. I don't want everybody to agree with everything that I say. I don't think people should ever disagree. I'm, but I'm speaking. This is me talking. Here it is right here. This is me, right here. I got this for you. This is me talking.

Right here. This is me. Right here. I got this for you. This is what you can see right there. See? There you go. Right there. There you go. Right there. That's it. There it is. There it is, Locho. That's it. So don't get mad. I think it was distasteful for them

to boo that man's widow. I go to my grave believing that. Yeah. I mean, it is. That man did not harm. You see how fans get so invested into a team? That man ain't harm none of them personally. That man ain't do nothing to their family.

Nothing. And they booed him. Why? Well, he broke our championship team up well if it was so easy to put one together why the hell you hadn't put one together damn near 25 years that's very very difficult

hey listen look what happened he should have got some credit more credit than he deserved what do players do what do players do or what do fans do when a player goes to another team and they come back to play in that stadium? They boo him.

Every time. Let me ask you a question. Every time. Let's just say for the sake of argument, the Miami Heat retires LeBron Jersey. You think they're going to boo LeBron when he go back there? Hell, absolutely not.

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Hell not. When they retire his jersey in Cleveland, you think they're going to— You know Dan well ain't booing him out there in Cleveland. Thank you. Absolutely not. That's all I'm saying, Ocho. That's all I'm saying.

You mean to tell me for one night that man, you could see it in a face, the heartbreak, the anguish, the hurt. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, it's one thing about it. Fans don't forget nothing. They don't show you no grace. If they all feel a certain way collectively, no matter who it is. It was distasteful and disgraceful

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a live episode of Unc and Ocho. Anise 81 said, Ocho, Unc and Ocho. Anise 81 said, Ocho, Unc, why they ain't like Travis Kelsey? Go tight end. He can't see prime. Go. I got four years plus reason why Gronk, the GOAT, tight end. No disrespect, Unc. Prime

Gronk was him. Look, to each his own. I think Travis Kelsey, for me, is the GOAT based on what he's done. His large body of work. I mean, nine consecutive Pro Bowls. He had an outside chance. I think what was going to be his eighth consecutive thousand-yard season. But he sent the game.

Because remember, he missed the first game and the last game. So he had nine. That's something. No tight end has ever had more than two consecutive thousand yard seasons. Right, right, right. He's done it eight times. Mm-hmm. And as much as you say, y'all make it seem like a nephew ain't show up in the playoffs.

I know Gronk has showed up in the playoffs, but y'all act like he hasn't. I would have loved to see had injuries, not Rob Gronk of some of those seasons. Now we can have a more, but for me, that's just me. I mean, to each his own.

I mean, some people say, okay, I still got Gronk, but for me, I think Trav, when I do his body of work in totality, I do,

I do play off big games. There's never been a game in which you said, man, man, Trav ain't bad. Trav ain't having the day. Not in the playoffs. Right. And the totality of his regular season and postseason, for me, that's just me.

But to each his own. If you got Gronk, that's okay. Yeah, that's one of those situations where you can't go wrong either way you go. It's a win-win It's all on preference. I think when it comes to that point you got to be damn near meticulous Yeah on well this one didn't do this You know you got a nitpick and you got to find something wrong that the other didn't do

Because it's a win-win either way you go Gronk Kelsey again at the end of the day I do it all the time when it comes to receivers that that are just great in their own right listen two different styles of players they still play the same position right they both get it done they just get it done differently you know it's more than one way to skin a cat and that's what they've showed i mean you just got to pick the person that you like based on preference but that's what it comes down to, Ocho. But here's the thing. When you're talking about the two best, it shouldn't be a runaway. Yeah. It should be close. Right, right, right.

It should be. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, I mean, we're not talking about an Aiden Rose Royce and a 72 Pinto. I mean, it should be close, Ocho. So we're talking about two guys that dominated their era.

But I think the only discussion that we can have is between those two guys. And I have the utmost respect for Big Kel, Kelly Winslow Sr., Ozzy, Mackie, Dick. I have the utmost respect for those guys. Winton has great numbers.

And Gates. Gates, my dog. I have the utmost respect for those guys. Witten has great numbers. And Gates. Gates, my dog. Yes. But when it comes down to body of work, regular season and postseason, it's those two. It really is. It's those two.

Right. And I'm going to – So to each his own, wherever you want to rank them. But for me, I think Kelsey is. I like it. I like it.

I like it. Jamal Grant asks, under the right coach, can Kyle Pitts be Shannon Sharp 2.0? And don't lie. Yes. He can be better because he has fast... I love the way he moves. I like to see...

When I watch a guy, I like to see how fluid he is. I like to see, can he drop his hips? Can he get in and out of breaks? Can I do something with him? Can he be more than an in-line tight end? Can I put him in the slot? Can I put him out wide? Can he run an out route? Can he run us out route?

Can he run us slant route? How much can I do with him? He does all of that. He's a guy that I can do a majority. I can put a lot of different things on his plate and he can eat it all. So yes,

he absolutely can be that. A big catch rate, he's what, 6'5. He was 6'5". Yeah, 6'5". 4'4". Yeah, man. But you know what the problem is? Is you put a lot on his plate

and he can eat it all, but the goddamn Falcons ain't know what to do with him. No. The Falcons ain't know what to do with him. I'm not sure who was calling the plays. I'm not sure what the creativity came in when it came to calling the plays

with a player of his caliber. Right. Even coming off injury, his 80% and not being 100, it's still better than most. Right. And the thing is, Ocho,

you know when, when you get, I mean, the guy had 1,000 yards as a rookie. There ain't very many tight ends. I mean, the only tight end

I can think of that's ever had 1,000 yards as a rookie is Mike Ditka. Yeah. You got to tight end I can think of that's ever had 1,000 yards as a rookie is Mike Ditka. Yeah. You got to go back to the 60s. This kid had 1,000 yards. I say a kid, but he's a young man, so forgive me. This young man had 1,000 yards as a true rookie.

And I understand that he got hurt, but you got to give him opportunities. You got to give him opportunities. And he got a Drake London? Yeah. Man, please. I'm not saying what he should have had. I believe he should have had more opportunities and targets than what he got.

Right. And what he do, what he does with those. But look, I mean, you got to get somebody can get in the ball. Come on, man. You got Tyler Heineke and Taylor Taylor. Taylor Heineke. He got Heineke and Taylor Heineken. He got Heineken and Desmond Ritter. Desmond Ritter.

Come on, man. Come on now. I mean, look at the tight ends. Look at the tight ends that made the Pro Bowl and look who they got throwing to them. Yeah. I mean, you look at Kelsey. Look at Kittle.

Look at Laporta. And thenjoku. Njoku came when Flacco took over. Njoku took off. Yeah. Crazy, huh? That's it. You just got to give somebody, give me.

Someone can have all the talent in the world. But if you don't know how to use them and you can't get them the ball, so what is it? What is it? Exactly what they did over there in Atlanta. Ocho, the difference is somebody that knows a cook, a chef, whatever you want to call them,

can come look at your refrigerator and make you a meal. Those same ingredients, you're like, what the hell am I supposed to do with this? Right. That's what a player is. That's an ingredient. Unless you know what the hell to do with it, it just sit there. And that's what we see

far too many times. Well, this is my system. Your system ain't worth a damn if you don't use the players that you have. You've got to cater your system to the players that you have. Don't tell me the players cater to your system. Yeah. I mean, that's the lack of creativity that most offensive coordinators have.

Because, you know, ego gets in the way. This is my system. I know how to work it. Instead of not really changing your system, but allowing those that are in it to benefit and help you and make you look well. those that are in it to benefit and help you and make you look well because if you play if you have a great system and use a player that you have in your system that obviously opens up doors for you as well right but i don't think they see it that i don't think they see it like that well clearly they don't because they're not using them adequately because i think he should be i there is not a season in which he should not have

85 to 100 balls for 1,000 yards, especially with 17 games now. Easily. Hell, I had, my old ass had, in 15 games, I had 770 yards and eight touchdowns

my last year in the league. Okay. Hell, I know these young dudes should be able to top that at least. Yeah. Shit, sound like you can still play. Play what? Bad.

My old ass ain't get out there. Ocho, we got 41,000. You've been in the weight room too? I don't know that. That's just to keep the people up off me. I ain't got to take no hits. I can't take no hits, Ocho. I ain't going to lie.

Man, you hit me, I'm going to shout it like ice. You know, you drop ice on the floor of the kitchen, Ocho, and it go all over the place. Yeah. Somebody hit me like that, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to disperse all over the place. Ocho, we got 41,000 in the chat. Thank each and every one of you that's in the chat.

Please make sure you hit that like button, hit that subscribe button. We're now at 776,000 subscribers. We got a goal. What's our goal for next week, Ocho? Next Sunday this time, we got to be at 800k. Yeah, listen, I still think it's possible. Hell nah, hell nah.

Thursday. Thursday. Okay, okay. I still have a feeling for some reason. I'm not sure why. I feel like before we do that live show in Vegas, some tell me we're going to be at a million. And it's going to be perfect because obviously, you know, I've never had alcohol before.

I've never drank before. But I'm going to celebrate. I'm going to celebrate. I'm saying, God, forgive I'm saying God forgive me. God forgive me but if we hit that million before we hit that live show and Super Bowl in Vegas

I'm going to drink some of that Cognac. Hey. I'm going to get me some of that Cognac. I'm telling you. Lord forgive you for what you're going to do

to the rail that night you get somebody out of your system. That's what you need to have forgiveness for. Wait. What happened when you get alcohol

in your system? What? That brown... Boy, you ain't never had no liquor, what? Come on, man. You know I don't drink, man. Talk to me, man. You heard about the Great Depression? Yeah, yeah. We studied that in school.

Yeah, that's how it's going to be. That thing be hard like the Great Depression. Yeah, you'll like that, Ocho. Hey, is you think that's one of the reasons why people drink in general? You can't. You just only but a little bit. Sometimes you can overdo it.

Right. But boy, whoo, hey, I'm going to have a couple of them diamonds on me. I'm going to flip one to eight. Let me get one of them things now. Let me get one one to eight. Let me get one of them things now. Let me get one of them things. Let me hold one of them things. Listen, I tried to hit my doctor up,

and I told him about the blue diamonds, and he wrote me a prescription. Man, he didn't know what the hell I was talking about, man. It must be another name for them shits. Yes, another name for them. Oh, you're not saying the real name? Yeah, no, but everybody know what it is. Look at the chat.

Y'all tell them what them diamonds are, them blue diamonds are. I don't know what it is, but I told my daughter, man, you know, I want to get the blue diamonds that Uncle be talking about. I even showed him a clip. And Uncle, he talk about it.

Man, he don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Yeah, you know what you're talking about. Yeah, I'm going to try that. I'm ready. We got to chat. Tell your family, tell your uncles, tell your cousins, tell your co-workers, please get us to a million. Please get us to

a million before we get the Super Bowl in Vegas. I wanted to say personally, thank you guys. The Cat Williams interview is now at 47 million views. All of you guys that have watched it that have told a family or a friend or loved one to watch it those guys that have downloaded from the bottom

of my heart i sincerely thank you and hopefully you guys enjoyed it as much as i enjoyed sitting down with cat um i see where he's adding more tour dates, which is great, because I definitely benefited by having him on the show. And so hopefully he's benefiting people getting an opportunity to see just how funny he is

and get an opportunity to see him. I think he's going to come back to L.A. in May, and I'm definitely going to be at his show. Can you use the bathroom real quick? Go ahead. Don't be going to do at his show. Can you use the bathroom real quick, huh? Go ahead. Don't be going to do no number two. Thank you.

Hey, close the door and turn the water on. Nobody want to hear you be going peeing on the microphone. Hey. Stop talking. I don't know why people like talking when they go to the bathroom. Man, shut up and do your business and get up out of there. Man, I go in the bathroom. Hey, aren't you? No, I don't know why people like talking when they go to the bathroom. Man, shut up and do your business

and get up out of there. Man, I go to the bathroom. Hey, aren't you? No, I ain't nobody. Be quiet. I ain't nothing to talk about. Man, where do we get up out of here? We talking like you know me or something.

I ain't got nothing to say when I'm at the urinal. And I don't know where they get that from. I mean, who started that? Chad, who started talking to one another in the bathroom? What we talking about? So what we saying is so important.

It can't wait till we get our ass up out the bathroom. And I'm not going to shake your hand when you coming in or out of the bathroom. Because I don't see too many people going there and don't watch that and just put it and put a luggage right up out of there. And y'all want to come up in there and shake your hand. Nah, bro. Let's go. Hey, get these knuckles up because I ain't got nothing for you. I'm telling you now. luggage right up out of there. And y'all want a brother to come up in there and shake your hand. Nah, bro. Let's go on to the eight. Hit these knuckles up, because I ain't got nothing for you.

I'm telling you now. No, no, I'm not shaking your hand in the bathroom. In the bathroom? Man, people be talking. They try to shake your hand in the bathroom? Y'all be talking. See, just like you was talking about. Okay, why you talking while you in the bathroom? Oh, nah, nah, nah, nah, no, no, no. I would just

let you know. Just to let you know. Did you wash your hands? Oh, I ain't even got the grab, huh? I ain't even got the grab. What, you squat? Huh? You squatted? Nah, because it fall in the water. I don't sit on the track.

Go ahead, old man. I'm just saying. Well, you fall in the water. I don't sit on the track. Go ahead, old man. Well, you all in my personal business. I'm just letting you know. No, I ain't. I'm just saying you came up out of there right quick. But I'm just saying though, I don't really like to talk.

If I'm at the urinal, I don't really like to talk. Listen, people, chat, y'all got at the urinal, I don't feel like I can talk. Listen, you got to, you got, listen, people chat, y'all got to understand urinal, bathroom etiquette in general. Bathroom etiquette in general. When you go to games, when you go to places, you always skip urinal. Always

skip urinal and you never hold a conversation. You don't make eye contact. You don't look left. You don't look right. You look straight ahead. You look straight ahead. You don't try to peek over. You don't do eye contact you don't look left you don't look right you look straight ahead you look straight ahead you don't try to peek over you don't do none of that some people a lot of people are lacking that

a lot of people I done had people follow me in the bathroom well what's up Ocho I just wanted to come say what up you can say that in the home

come on bro I'm going to catch you on the outside bro don't do that don't do that man Don't do that. I love you, but you got to have some type of etiquette, especially bathroom etiquette. You don't do that, man.

That's rule number one. Come on, now. Anybody want to shake hands? Nah, come on, bro. I done saw too many people go into the bathroom and come up out the stall because I'm already assuming you don't lock the door because when I go in there, I'm just peeing. I ain't never go in no bathroom and go use the bathroom

and do number two. You don't do number two in public? Nah. At an airport? Come on, man. It got to be at least for, if I'm stranded 24, 48 hours and I ain't got nowhere to go. I'm talking about just a normal flight? Oh, no.

I don't, man, listen, I'll do number one, number two, number three. It don't matter. You do three, all both of them. I'm just telling you, it don't matter. When you got to go, you got to go. All that holding yourself and messing up your bowel movement, your stomach be hurting.

Your stomach going to be hurting. Bathroom nasty. They nasty, Ocho. They nasty. What's nasty? The bathroom nasty. The places you go, the establishment you go, because you are a man of class.

You ain't nothing nasty about that. I'm talking about the airport. You go in the airport bathroom. All you got to do is take the toilet paper. They got the little seat cushions for you. You lay the seat up. You lay the seat up. You dress the seat up.

Then you sit down. Ain't that much dressing up. So they can't put a new pair of pants and shoes on that thing to make me go sit on it. So you don't use the, you don't use the bathroom in the airport. Hell no. Why? I don't be eating all kinds of food.

Cause I already know what's going to mess my stomach up. So I don't eat food with it. But you, but I can't go on no plane of food because I already know what's going to mess my stomach up. So I don't eat food with it. But you, but you, but I don't. And I definitely ain't going, and I can't go on no plane because I'm too big. Hey, I have to leave the door. I have to leave the door open, Ocho. I'll be my head out the window like this here, Ocho. If they close the door, I'll say, I can't.

That's all I got for them, Ocho. So you going to play it out for me? Yeah. Hey, that's a good one. That's a't you? So, you know, to play it out for me. Yeah. Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. But you know, listen,

maybe it's just me. I just, I've always been that way. I have no problem using the bathroom. I don't care where I am. When I got to go, I got to go.

If they got toilet tissue, I'm going to layer, I'm going to double it though. Sometimes when you go to establishments, most establishments use one ply toilet tissue. But that's not to establishments, most establishments use one-ply toilet tissue. But that's not the good one, you know,

because your wipe, your goddamn finger go right through there. Right through it, yeah. I always layer it twice. Lay it down on the toilet, sit down, get comfortable. I go in the woods first. I'd rather go in the woods.

Nah. I'd rather go in the woods. Ocho, I tell you what. I find comfort in using the bathroom in public. I find comfort in that. I don't know why. I keep a roll of toilet paper in my car and my truck. I go to the woods first.

For real? Yeah, for sure. I hit the woods. You know, you out there in the country, so I understand that. Oh, yeah. I don't pull a side of the road, let them flashes don't play this time run right up right up in the woods oh god we got I got there for my granddad my great that's how my granddad work yeah so by granny I always kept a roll of toilet paper in his cars I always keep a roll of toilet I mean people like man why you got a roll of toilet paper in his cars. I always keep a roll of toilet paper. I mean, people are like, man, why you got a roll of toilet paper?

In case of emergency. Right. Okay. I did it for 20 years. I don't know. Them boys ain't nothing to play with because you don't know what's out there. I know what's out there. I know what's going to be out there when I leave. That's what's going to be out there when I leave. That's what's going to be out there.

That's what's going to be out there when I leave, Ocho. Oh, shit. Baby, you heard her? Baby, be out there shitting in the woods. Oh, I will. Lady Ray said, I hope you're feeling better. How do you handle hearing someone

fart in a bathroom I laugh out loud listen you go to that urinal you go to that urinal and somebody else in there with you you gonna hear

every time oh man every time man what's the thing for me I mean I'm like I pretend like I don't really hear it,

but it's like when they're in the stalls, I was like, God damn! I said, what the? I said, man! I said, bro!

Hey, I said, hey, bro, bro, We need a courtesy flush Come on bro Yeah courtesy flush Is also a part of bathroom etiquette I'm like bro what you trying to do See how much you can put up in there Man flush that shit down

Down Man people nasty Ocho The locker room The locker room? The locker room? Man, them boys, man. Funny. Hilarious. I be Ocho.

Them don't be like... It's always the big-ass linemen, too. Oh, man. I said, come on, man. I was like, man, people... I was like, oh, bro. I said, I don't know what you ate, but I, but I was like, bro,

can we get a courtesy flush, bro? I understand it's the bathroom, but God dang. Something, something. I ain't had, I ain't had too many run-ins like that, but. Man, we out you. I'm like, hey, bro, hey, courtesy flush, bro, come on now. I mean, sometimes I think they be trying to see how much they can

pile up in there, man. Go let that go trust me that's you i you know what lady i ain't gonna lie i just i just like just honestly real talk ocho i really like hold my breath when i go to the bathroom how you gonna hold it come on now you being now. You can't hold your breath that long. Ocho, it's not like I'm ordering. I already know what I gotta do when I get in there. Yeah. Hey, you say it's not like you what? I'm ordering anything. Ain't nothing to

mean you. Hell, I already know what I gotta do. I'm going. I'm gonna go pee and I'm coming up out of there. But you can't hold your breath though. I can hold my breath for two minutes. Come on, that Navy SEAL. Hey. You ain't holding your breath no two. You know how long two minutes is holding your breath?

Ocho, from the time I walk in, I'm saying, I can hold my breath for two minutes. I ain't going to be in there that long, Ocho. What? I mean, what? How you going to go in the bathroom? What you doing? You watching like, hey, man, that's a nice luggage you got. Hey's your name hey you a bingles fan hey where you from you carrying on

conversation who talking in the bathroom you don't talk I don't talk in the bathroom I have bathroom etiquette I always eyes ahead three four front center don't make eye contact with nobody don't look left don't look right don't look left. Don't look right. Don't look down. Straight ahead. I'm in there. Wash your hands. Boom. Lather up. I better never be washing their hands, Ocho.

I told you to come up out the stall and just grab that luggage and bone up out of there. And walk out. I said, come y'all. Oh, shit. I ain't seeing that because I don't be looking.

I be, boom. I'm darting up out of there. Straight, boom. Handle my business. One, number one, number two. I just like, like I said, man, I just, I'm trying to get in and out. I'm trying to treat it like a jiffy lube.

I'm trying to get in and out in under two minutes. Jiffy lube is 10 minutes. I'm trying to get in and out in under two minutes, bro. I'm going in there. Hey, I ain't got no conversation, bro. Hey know hey sterling sharp i said bro you loud and wrong do what i gotta do it i'm up out of there ocho hey we'll talk once we get outside we ain't got nothing to talk about no

bad proof that's just me i mean to each his own i i don't you know people that want to talk y'all can talk but that ain't i don't i don't rock like that yeah i don't have i don't have them problems i ain't got them uh ronald schroeper for your ass what you got in that red solo cup water i'm trying to stay hydrated man your boy your boy i'm not as bad as i was thursday night but i still i'm not a 100%. But, you know, Ocho told me he needed me to show up, so I got to show up and get the people what y'all came to see. What you drinking again?

Water. Okay. Water. You sipping water? Normally, when people drink water, they just... No, I'm just trying, like I said, I try to keep my um my throat my throat moist right and you know i i you know normally i would just have a bottle right uh right most people drink a bottle of water no but you ain't finna drink no well somebody want if somebody

want a sponsorship i'll drink the bottle of water and i'll get you a bottle of water too that's why you ain't nobody getting no free advertising on this thing. I see where you're going now. I see where you're going. As a matter of fact, I'm about to hit solo up on Monday. Hey, what's up? I'm going to be drinking out of a coffee mug. A plain white coffee mug.

Okay. I like it. I see where you're going with it. Product placement. I like it. Yeah. So, now, Yut Yut said, hey, Uncle Uncle Ocho what happened to uh on the bull today or was that old footage what who was on the bull huh why y'all talk what y'all oh lord have mercy then y'all go with that pause. What happened? What you say? Because I said I have to keep my throat moist. But they talk about the pause.

You know what? I ain't. You know what? That went right across my head right there, too. I'm going to go ahead and throw you a pause in there, though. Okay, I appreciate it. Go ahead and pause that. Well, the thing is, Ocho, because I'm a little under the weather.

And Ash over here, patient negative zero, got me sick again. Wait, where you at? You in L.A.? I'm in L.A., yeah. Oh, it's cold out there, huh? You hear a hoof in the hollering? I told her she was quarantined. She could do the same thing from the other room, but she do it right here,

which is type this stuff into my iPad. I told her she's quarantined in one room and she walking all through the house. Oh, so she got you sick? Yeah! Oh, yeah. You gotta get some vitamin, is it vitamin C?

I've been on, man, I've been trying some of everything. It ain't working. I mean, look, at the end of the day, it's still got to run its course. I've been trying some of everything. It ain't working. Look, at the end of the day, it's still got to run its course. I don't care what you take. It's got to run its course. You want to expedite it though. You want to expedite it as much

as possible. Trust me, I'm trying. DG said, hey, I'm about to pick up my first pup tomorrow. Do you have any advice? Also, today is my birthday so shout out to you and Ocho as fellow Capricorns. Congratulations. Happy birthday, DG. Man,

look, I remember when I first went and got my first one. Man, as a matter of fact, I got three. The first time I got dogs, I got three because my boss told my brother I was going to get dogs. I said, man, I'm going to get a Rottweiler pup. He said, where are you going? I said, I'm going to Ohio. He said, if they got bring me one back.

So I brought back three dogs. And three of them? I brought back three Rottweiler puppies from Ohio. And I had them for like two weeks and he told my sister to say, go pick up his. He was going to come down come to Glenville to pick up his.

And I kept my two man. They're a up his. He was going to come down, come to Glenville to pick up his. And I kept my two men. They're a handful now. But as a matter of fact, Ocho, for me, because I was out of school, I didn't have anything to do. I was seeing the train. So I would get up like, I started getting up like every two hours, take them out. Then I spaced out every three hours, every four hours, then out then i space it out every three hours every four hours

then six hours then eight hours now they can hold it through the night okay i get them outside they go potty i give them a treat now they associate okay if i do this outside i'm good i'm good okay man ain't nothing like it i come home they at the door they can hear i mean now in my car they hear that they hear that beep i lock the car yeah they running they coming they all three of them at the door i guess i could i could see them i could feel it they're like they're looking at you we know you out there come on in here come on come on in it's a great feeling you're gonna love it you're gonna love it you're gonna love it

there's nothing like that love that no matter how bad your day is when you come home and you see that puppy or you see when it becomes a dog

ain't no love like that there's no love like an animal love for a human nothing I can't do it no more why i told you i can't tell i can't take that loss i can't i can't i can't bear that pain no more man you see i i don't know how many people in the chat was here when you first explained when you had to put uh like you had to put who you had to put down

oh i put well i had to i don't put i put a boat my, I put well, I had to I don't put I put Bo my Akita down. That's what that's what I think you might have been talking about Bo and you boy, you had me on here crying.

Man, just think man, listen boy, I can't take that. My sister I can't take that. She ended up taking the two Rottweilers. She ended up taking the two because my grandmother

once I got situated she said, nah we done got used to the dogs now. So, man, my sister got that. Well, because of Kane, I had one name, Kane, called him Big Daddy. He ended up passing away. So Killian lived a couple of more years. So they she had really, really gotten attached to Killian. Man. You thought my sister child died she said Shannon I can't do

it no more she said Shannon I don't want another one she said I'll come watch yours she said Shannon I can't do it I mean she would cry like her child actually passed away yeah when she told me she had to put him down and she because they told her he was he was he had cancer and it was all throughout his body and they were gonna put put him down. She said, can you just wait till I get back? So they waited till she got back. They put him in her car and then they gave him the medicine.

My sister said she cried all the way home. She said, Shannon, I can't do it again. She said, I can't. Ain't no pain like that. She said, I can't, Shannon. Ain't no pain. Ain't no pain like that. Ain't no pain like that. Losing, listen, I lost my mother. I lost my grandma.

And I remember having to put down one of my dogs in my early, my adolescent years. Yeah. I haven't had a dog in years because I still remember what that felt like. Oh, yeah. Back then. I'm not saying it's the equivalent of what it felt like

losing my grandma and my mama. It's damn near close, boy. It is. It is. That's an unbearable pain, man. Unbearable. I don't want no part of that. No more.

Ananis81 said, is Ocho really that cheap or do you be capping? If you Google it there, there is footage of the queen, the pop, Madonna going through JLK. She's going through TSA riding a coach and I ain't never seen Ocho

riding a coach and I've never seen Ocho riding Spirit. How you ain't never seen me riding Spirit and all you have to do is go to Twitter, type Ocho Cinco and then type Spirit and you will see me on Spirit Airlines all the time. All the time. How you mean you don't know if I'm really that cheap?

Watch all the videos for the past 20, 25 years that are out there that show you. I talk about it and I live it. Have you seen the way I live life? Have you seen the way I live life? Have you? It's like it's right there in front of you. I really live like that and always been like that.

What is he talking about? Do I live in the goddamn stadium? Marvin Lewis had to kick me out the stadium my third year in the NFL. I lived at the fucking stadium the first two years of my career because I refused to buy a place. What am I buying a place for? Everything I need is right there, the stadium. They got showers. They had a cafeteria. They got hot water. They got cold water. They had a cafeteria They got hot water They got cold water

Bathroom They had a Players lounge Sofa Futon Arcade machine Xbox PlayStation

Cable Why are you telling me Why am I coming here What am I getting a house for And everything I need is here You don't think I'm cheap A-Rail Ocho

yeah that's you you know what you are okay I'm just sometimes sometimes you got to prove people not you got to prove

all they got to do do your research do your research she ain't even she ain't even answer me we know yeah she busy

Chad says they know who really got who sick yeah patients double patient negative zero ask your man don't do that she been getting IV drip for the last two weeks and then go talk about

I got sick why you getting IV drip normal healthy people don't get IV drips for the last two weeks and then go talk about I got sick why you getting IV drips normal healthy people don't get IV drips last I checked hmm thanks for telling me that information I knew it was going to come in handy one day uh Michael Seeley says

hey Uncle Nocho love the show can you shout out my girl Chedia she's been a she's also a loyal fan. She would love to see your shirt. Also, wish me luck in hoping to shake the covers. What's the show is doing? Three-minute rounds.

Y'all see that right there? What do you matter? He talking about you going three minute rounds You don't go three minute rounds You go three minute intervals No Three minute intervals

Because listen You go three minutes in intervals, right? Then you stop And you hold a conversation Or pretend like you You really want to say something Then boom, another three minutes No, I ain't got that

You continue to repeat the cycle If she got that ooh-wee, I ain't going to lie to you. That's why even with the ooh-wee, I'm touching bus. It's a mind game. You got to mind fuck yourself. TNB.

Listen, if you're in the ooh-wee, you got to think football, think sports, think some completely opposite of what you're doing. Nope. It'll help you last longer. Nope. Hey, I'm telling you, if you got that ooh-wee,

I'm Mr. TNB. Touching buzz. I'm sorry. It's your fault. It's your fault. Be mad at yourself because you got that scunion. You can't do that, bro.

Be mad at yourself. Oh, you're going to end up in the group chat. That's all right. That's all right. That's all right. Ocho, what you want me to do? If you got that oo-wee,

man, you know you ain't lasting no longer. You ain't lasting long with that oo-wee. I'm telling you, that's why I told you what to do. It's a mind thing. You got to be able to play mind games. You got to eliminate where you at and take your mind somewhere else. I'll tell you what my mind is.

If the first thing, hey, the first thing, if you hear, God damn, it's over. That's it for me. Okay, that's it. I'm sorry. Okay. Same time tomorrow. I don't know what you want to do on show. Same time tomorrow, I'll see you.

Same time tomorrow, you're not going round two huh what round what round I'll see you round two tomorrow okay I'll see you that's the two you talk about I'll see you round two

I'm sorry I see it boy you what I'm sorry I see it boy What I want you I want y'all people come on You ain't gonna double back You not gonna U-turn I gotta get my right

I have to get my mind right I have to get my mind right I came here I wasn't expecting what I got You need 24 hours to get your mind right I wasn't expecting what I got. You need 24 hours to get your mind right? Yeah, I wasn't expecting what I got. She called me off guard. She called me off guard, Ocho. I didn't know it was going to be like that. So, now

I got to refocus. I got to come in with ammunition. Right, right, right. I got to come in thinking about what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about sunflowers. I'm thinking about shoes. There you go. Anything that's not beautiful. There you go. There you go. And I need the lights off

because if I see your body, it's over. Yeah. I feel you. I remember them days, boy. Long time. Long, long, long, long, long time. You remember them days. I had some good days, too. They were bad on you. I mean, you know, I. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You remember them days, you know? I had some good days too, but.

There ain't no good. They were bad on you. I mean, you know, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. I mean, but that's your fault. That's your fault. You're right.

It happened to the best of us. We all been through that. We all been through them days. And at times it's embarrassing. But what we do have to do is. Redeem myself. You got to redeem yourself. Because if you don't, it's going got to redeem yourself because if you don't,

it's going to be tough. Because if you don't redeem yourself, you know, sometime they'll block you. They won't even answer your call no more. I mean, Ocho. I mean, you know, you be like,

oh, girl, I'm going to give you a meal. Oh, but don't talk no shit and don't show up. Oh, Ocho. Don't talk no shit and don't show up. Boy.

Girl, you won't believe this motherfucker. Now, yeah, you got to. Yeah, you got to listen to the performance and the talk. It got to go hand in hand. If it don't, it's going to be rough. Yeah, but I'm saying, Ocho, you know. It's going to be rough. I have good intention.

Like you tell me, hear me out. Hear me out, Ocho. I want you to hear me out. Stay with me now. Hear me out, Ocho. I want you to hear me out. Stay with me now. Stay with me, Ocho. Stay with me. Now, I have good intentions. Right, right.

But it's their fault. Right. You right. You right. I mean, I'm coming now. Sometimes, I'm with you when you're right because sometimes we have a plan. Yes!

But every time you have a plan doesn't mean you're going to execute it the way you thought it would. It will come out. So I'm with you when you're right. Thank you. I just asked you. And women,

they need to understand that. Sometimes they're not understanding. Sometimes they're not understanding or forgiving. But they to blame. They are to blame. For sure. And that's what they need to do. Women need to learn to take accountability.

They don't want to say something like you got that oo-wee and then you mad at me because I can't land no 15 minutes in there. It's hot in here. I mean, come on y' there. It's hot in here. I mean, come on, y'all. It's hot in here. So don't be mad at me.

I'll be helping brother out. I'm doing the best I can. I promise you. That's not my intention. But it happened. And I'm sorry. Yeah, it does. It does.

It does. It does. It don't matter. It don't matter how old you are. It happens. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah, it does. It does. It does. It does. It don't matter. It don't matter how old you are. It happens. Yeah. I just like, you know, I was planning on jumping up and down with my 10, 15. Yeah.

Yeah. But I think I might have went too far on that last one. Yeah. Yeah. You don't waste that diamond for no reason. Oh, no, no, no no oh joe yeah hey have you ever seen me turn to the side like this here you start looking around it won't be long now it won't be long now joe

i get a double A. You know, like the cat said when he got his tail caught in the washing machine, Ocho. He said it won't be long now. I didn't know what he was talking about. He talking about his tail wouldn't be long anymore or it wouldn't be long before it all be over. Before I put that back. Yeah, yeah. Now, what you say you do?

Huh? How long? Yeah. Yeah. How's your mom and dad? Yeah. I'm just trying to buy some time. yeah yeah now what you say you do huh how about yeah how about yeah how's your mom and dad yeah I'm just trying to buy some time I'm stolen

you know I've been trying to buy time that thing get through the system yeah get through the blood flow yeah yeah so where are you

you the youngest you the oldest oh okay okay what you from school at oh yeah okay you know what I'm saying

what y'all looking? Okay, that's everybody in there now. Alright. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. It's on. It's on. Y'all got to be turdish, you know?

Oh, lord. It's old, Ojo. It's old. Oh, that's funny. That's funny. Merck asked, Ojo, do you make the Hall of Fame if you go to New England early in your career? That's a good question

I'm not sure probably yeah what you think no because you can't be who you are and I believe

that's why you didn't have the success you did when you went to New England because you couldn't be Ocho Cinco you had to be Chad Johnson well you can't be that over there you didn't have the success you did when you went to New England, because you couldn't be Ocho Cinco. You had to be Chad Johnson. Well, you can't be that over there.

They don't play that shit. Well, also, they had 200 million other options as well. Right. Some good ones. If you could be you, if you were allowed to be you and half of... You suppressed so much of who you were. Well, he told me I had to, though. But that's what I'm saying. So, no.

At the end of the day, I mean, Ocho, you gotta be who you are. Remember we just said you don't fit a system to the player. You let the... I mean, you don't... You let the player. You fit your system to the player. Well well that ain't that wasn't gonna work

over there that's a different ball game okay there you go there it is that's a different ball game over there but you know

what they you know what they had over there during that time listen just just listen to the squad offensively

Gronk yep Aaron Hernandez yeah Wes Welker yep Julian Edelman. Mm-hmm.

Deion Branch. Mm-hmm. That's just five right there. What the fuck am I doing there? That's just five already. With the exception of Grom. And your absolute best when you were Ocho Cinco, you better than everybody else over than Grom.

Yeah, but it don't work like that. But that's what I'm saying. How does that offense run unless your last name is Moss? But that's what I'm saying. Because you can't be you. At the end of the day, you got to be you, Ocho. I was very fortunate that I played with coaches that my personnel, they let me be me.

I understood. Mike understood that I knew when it was time to work, but I knew when it was time to play, and I'm going to get the other guys. We're going to be loose. We're going to have fun, and we're going to get this job done. Same thing with Brian. So you got to have guys that understand the players and let the player be themselves.

Why do you think? Look at us. Honestly, don't change nothing. All the players that go to Baltimore, they have their own individual. You understand, you play like a Raven. That's the only thing that we ask. Yeah. Yeah.

It was some fun days, man. Great, great, great, great team, though. Great team. Faith asks, I Ocho and Shannon, don't defy your sister, but I have you and Ocho consider writing a book, The Importance of Hard Work and Positivity for Young Adults.

I think it'd be impactful, especially for young black boys. Feel better, Ash. Feel better, Ash. Feel better, Shannon. Feel better, Ash. I can't even get people to... I called Ash today at 1 o'clock Ash called me back

at 4 o'clock I said I'll just tell you I said Ash I done forgotten now I called you at 1 o'clock you called me back at 4 o'clock what did I want whatever it was I don't want it now I don't need it

good thing I didn't call you for an emergency. I know who the person not to call if I'm in jail. Do not wish to call little Ash. She's sleeping through that call. I'm just telling you now, she's going to sleep through that damn call. I ain't never met a person sleep as much as Ash. No, you sleep that much even when you're not sick. You talk about you're sick.

That's an excuse. Who called me to talk about you're sick. That's an excuse. Who comes in and talk about, guess what time I woke up today? I mean, guess what they say. You know, some people come in and talk about, guess what I did last night? Shannon, guess what time I woke up today? I don't know. No, I woke up like 2. What?

Who sleeps? You tell me what grown person can sleep until two o'clock in the afternoon two o'clock in the afternoon but what if what if you went out the night before well unless you went out and came in at 12 that's the only time think about it Ocho Ash don't go out okay so Ash she like she going to bed at like 9.30, 10 on nights that we don't have nightcap. And even on the nights that we have nightcap, let's just say we have nightcap. So the night...

So what time? It's 10.30. 10.36. Okay, so by the time she gets home, let's just say it's going to be 11.30. Right. Asha literally sleep till 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock. Oh, oh, I'll see you at halftime. Halftime?

The game come up at 1.30. She gonna come up at halftime. Right. Oh, she's, actually, this is ridiculous. You know what, Faith? I have not thought about writing a motivational book. I don't know. Maybe Ocho has,

but I haven't. For me, if I was to write a book, and I've been preaching it for the past damn near 30 years, if I'm going to write a book, the only thing I need to focus on with my people

is financial literacy and discipline when it comes to having money. That's it. That's my focal point. That's my. That's what I'm, that's, that's, that's my focal point. That's my focal point. So, but I like, I like the book she's talking about, but for me, my direction and sole purpose would be financial literacy. Yes.

We bad, we bad. Aren't we bad, man? Yeah. We don't, we don't we don't i mean it's i mean it takes a special type of person that's really never had money never had to manage money and all of a sudden ocho you come into a large sum of money and that's most of us coming from the background in which we came from the community which we came from we've never had the ton of the kind of money that we're going to have that as a professional athlete or an entertainer or rapper or celebrity or whatever the case may be.

We have access to that type of money. Right. And so to understand it, because a lot of times people think, oh, I lost that money, I'll get it back. Doesn't work like that. You might not hit that lick again. Uh-uh.

But they always have this feeling that that play is going to always hit. They always have this feeling, and okay, if this don't hit no more, something else will come along that will. But, man, every dog has his day, and it don't work like that. It definitely don't work like that. It absolutely doesn't work that way. And I just think that i just wish that we

could we can applaud other success our success right um but it takes a special type of person to be in a group with someone and still cheer for them as they start to take off and not become resentful. That's, that's what's disappointing to me. I'm a, I root, I just,

like I said, I don't think I'm better as a better person. I might think I can do a job. I can do this better than somebody else can do this. Right. Do I think I'm better than you as a person? No, no,

but I do think I can do this better than someone else can do this. Um, but I just wish we, we applauded each other and didn't talk so negative about one another. When somebody else starts to do better than somebody else, it happens. And look, it might look, we might not have but

three to five years at nightcap. And somebody else might come along and have something that the fans and the chat and advertisers and sponsors want to grasp on too. But Ocho, we had a hell of a three to five year run. Why would we talk bad about them?

I'm not wired like that. It's just, look, it's always going to be someone else's turn. It happens. If you play sports, you understand that. You understand that the likelihood of you being on top your whole 15, 20-year career if you're fortunate enough to play that long, it's not very likely. So you're accepting of that.

All I can do is let me be the best I can possibly be. And hopefully that's good enough. That's it. I can only be the best I can be. And hopefully the people that have followed Shannon and watched Shannon and listened to Shannon still like that Shannon. But when

it's time to go, hey, I'll move it along. Probably pack my ish up. Definitely going to get up out of California. I ain't going to be paying all these high-ass taxes anyway. Ain't working here. Hell nah. I'm thinking about moving out of the deals. We're not moving to Texas though.

Yeah. You can move to Atlanta. Might go to Vegas or Nashville. Okay. Oh, Nashville is nice. Nashville is a growing city from my understanding. I heard.

You know, I'm in Atlanta now. I wonder, I was, you hear me? I'm in Atlanta. I can't go to Georgia. Why you get to go to Texas? No, we're not going to Georgia. No. You heard me? Huh? I'm in Atlanta. I can't go to Georgia. Why you get to go to Texas? No, we're not going to Georgia. No.

You hear me? Huh? I'm in Atlanta. I'll try. I wanted to go to Magic City tonight. I wanted to do the show for Magic City, but I don't think they would have had anywhere adequate enough where it could have been quiet while I did the show.

No, it ain't no quiet. It ain't going to be no, it ain't going to be no, it ain't lit enough. Right. Oh, you know, I got my little lights with me now let me let me show you my little lights look yeah got my little portable lights yeah i'm gonna tell you put that light on coco who's coke oh i don't see how i know coco hey i. Hey, I might I might what what what what time what time they close? She probably about four. I think oh shit.

I ain't gonna make that. Oh well so much for that. You got plenty time. What time we off? We're going to be off in a few minutes, baby. Baby. Baby. You want to go to Magic City? Huh?

She say no. She say she want to go. She ain't want to go. Let's go up there. You want to go? Man, we here for one day. She talk about not tonight. But we can't go tomorrow

because we'll be in Miami tomorrow. Well, I don't know what to tell you. She said ain't no fun unless up there. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going after this. Shoot, I fly.

I fly leave at six in the morning. I can go. Go there for two hours and come back and pack my little bag and be ready to go back home. I need to see what these wings, these wings you talking about.

I need to see that. I'm going to see the night though. Hey boy, no, like smell like booty and cigars. Whoa. Oh, I can smoke.

I can smoke cigars in there. Yeah. They let you smoke in there. Oh man. Boy, I'm going, I'm going tonight. I'm going,

it's going to be an argument today. Cause he told me, I don't want to go. You just got, you just got back in real good grace. Remember? Yeah. Yeah. I'm out of doghouse. I'm out of doghouse. Hey, well, you know, don't she don't want to go. You just got back in real good grace, remember? Yeah, I'm out of the doghouse. I'm out of the doghouse.

Hey, well, you know, don't push your luck too quick, Ocho. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, hold on now. I don't come to Atlanta often. I think it's been years since I've been to Atlanta, if I'm not mistaken. I was here three years ago for Rick Ross' car show, and I ain't been here since. So I'm here. You asked me to come here with you because you had business to take care of.

Why not allow me to experience Magic City that you always talk about? Why be selfish? Don't make me come here and... But I ain't there, Ocho. I was supposed to be there. Okay, you want me to wait for you? Mm-hmm. All right. Say less. I'll wait for you. That would make the

experience that much more better because you understand the surroundings and the atmosphere. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to wait. No problem. Let's do it. We got any more questions, Ash? I can wait. Oh, oh.

No, I did not lie. I tell him you lied. Tell him you lied. No, I ain't tell him. You sleep an average of 10 hours a day If you don't want to tell him you lied, tell him you lied. No, I ain't tell him. You sleep an average of 10 hours a day if you don't have a meeting. 10 hours? Huh? That's long. No.

What happened? Okay, how late did you sleep this morning? How late did you sleep this morning? How late did you sleep? I just asked you a simple question, Ash. We ain't got to go. I just asked you a simple question. How late did you sleep this morning?

I'm sick. Okay. This week when we didn't have a meeting, how late did you sleep? Ash, that's not what you told us the other day. No, that's when you have meetings. When you don't, no, you don't. That Ash over here lies.

Okay. I remember that. Next time I call, if she's up, she'll answer the phone. If she don't answer the phone, I know she's asleep. So I'm just going to tweet it out. I called Ash, and she didn't answer. It's 1030. Nah, you just sick today.

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