Club Shay Shay - Nightcap - Unc & Ocho react to Katt Williams’ explosive interview on Club Shay Shay

Episode Date: January 5, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Unc's explosive interview with Katt Williams on the Club Shay Shay podcast. Katt made waves with his comments on comedy legends like Steve Harvey, Cedric the Entertainer, Bernie Mac, Kevin Hart, and more.   00:00 - Introduction 08:15 - How Unc landed Katt Williams 25:00 - Kevin Hart responds to Katt 28:00 - Katts comments on Steve Harvey 35:00 - Katt accuses Cedric the Entertainer of stealing jokes 54:00 - Ludacris freestyles about Katt 01:18:30 - Unc's dream Club Shay Shay guests 01:34:00 - Much more Nightcap! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thank you for joining us. I'm your favorite sports. Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite. Number 85. 48 hours, Ocho. Thank you for joining us. I'm your favorite sports hunk, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number, 85. Bengals ring of famer, rock runner extraordinaire,

soccer guru, Chad, Ocho, Cinco, I mean, Ocho, Cinco, Johnson. Come on, you got to get my name right, man. Come on, man. Hey, you've been drinking that La Force of the Air a little bit too much now.

Man, Ocho, I said that the other night man everybody everybody been in the comments talking about man i like that he need to change his name to oto but uh ocho ocho cicco johnson guys i want to thank you we've sold out la portia on the link so we don't have it pinned tonight but what we're gonna do we're gonna Ocho's cigar. So you'll be able to go get that and sell him out because you've done a great job. Have we got it pinned at the top? Okay, we've got Chad's cigar pinned at the top of the chat. Make sure you do him a solid. Support him.

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Thank you again so much. You've emptied the stock. We should be back up operational by Monday because guys, we did not expect this and the support that you've given me since I've been on television in 2016 and Undisputed and the way you've supported me

as I've transitioned and gone to ESPN with First Take doing my thing with Ocho Cinco here at Nightcap also one night a week with Gil I appreciate that so we're gonna do a solid we're gonna do Ocho right we're gonna sell out his cigars that's what we're gonna do so we've pinned it at the top Ocho uh I'll let you tell talk to them about your cigars and what they're going to be getting when they sign up, when they order an 85 cigar. Well, I have I have two different blends that I work diligently on about maybe three, four years ago. Obviously, most of you that that that know me know that my only vice is smoking cigars. So what I wanted to create i wanted to create a blend for those that aren't even you don't even have to be a cigar smoker

but it's all about the experience so i have two blends the boavita and el patron uh you can you can enjoy both not too spicy very very smooth not too peppery so those of you who are not you know um advanced cigar smokers can enjoy it as well and obviously you can you can pair it with unks i call it cognac you pair with uncognac it's unbelievable cigars go unbelievable with cognac and we paired it together with a few uh so we're looking to have like when we go to uh the super bowl if you're very fortunate enough and uh we're gonna you know we're trying to get a um a sense of how many people because the venue is only going to be maybe 250 people. And so what we're going to have, we're going to have a situation where we'll be able to have the cigar, Ocho Cigar and my cognac.

And you'll get an opportunity to taste it. So that's that's what we're headed with that. But make sure you do a solid. We pin Ocho Cigar at the top of the chat. Laporte is not there because you you you got it you purchased us out so now we're gonna do ocho a solid and we're gonna we're gonna empty his stock so that's what we do i appreciate that i appreciate that so we're gonna get listen um this is a very last minute um because originally we weren't gonna go on until saturday but because of what's been going on with the chat, with my chat with Cat Williams,

and there's a few Super Bowl, a few NFL topics about resting players. Some of the players we know Lamar Jackson is going to rest. We know Patrick Mahomes is going to rest. Some of the Rams players are going to rest. We know Brock Purdy is going to rest. Travis Kelsey is going to try to get 16 yards to continue his streak of 1,000

yard seasons, which I think will put him at nine if I'm not mistaken. That's rarefied here. He already has the record. I don't think any other tight end has more than 4,000 yard seasons, let alone consecutive. So he has to get that. And as soon as Blaine Gabbert gets him those 60 yards

travis kelsey's heading to the sideline so nephew good luck on that and i hope you get that done but i remember oh you know you remember a couple of days ago i think it was like saturday or sunday i said i didn't sit down i have an interview and i said it's gonna be the interview of 24 i said he's gonna break the internet and the And now people like, well, who is it trying to, who is it going to be? Is it going to be LeBron? Is it going to be president Obama? Um, I said, but this guy and what he said, I said, it's going to, it's going to, it's going to surprise a lot of people.

And the interview that I'm talking about is everybody's talking about it is the cat Williams. Um, I've been trying to line this interview up since about the end of 2022 yes sir and he's like i don't know when i'm gonna be on your side of town but yeah i'll i'll keep that i'll keep that in mind now mind you wait so you had you had this brewing you had this i've been trying to since 2022 i've been trying to set it up. So basically, all the 20... I ended up getting this interview the very tail end of 23. So I'm sitting on it. I was like,

man, and I'm telling CJ. CJ and I were talking. He's like, what do you think? He's like, it's going to happen. I was like, I don't know. I said, all I can do is reach out. I can ask. And he hit me back. Let's do it. out I can ask and he hit me back let's do it and I remember telling I said CJ Cat Williams people hit me up and say they want to do it he's like for real I was like yeah for

real I said uh whatever we got so whatever we have planned I don't like them I said let's just clear it out because I don't know what day it might be a Tuesday. It might be a Wednesday. It might be a Thursday. It might be a Friday, but clear it out because whenever the guest is available, let's do it. I did Chris Brown's interview at about eight o'clock, nine o'clock at night at his place.

So there's not a time that in which if I'm not working at first take that I'm not available. So if you want to do it at midnight, we'll have a team there to shoot that footage at midnight. That's live. He comes in. So I get there. I try to get there a little bit before the guest.

CJ might have, we might have some last minute. Okay, CJ. Okay, I kind of got a feeling of kind of how I want to go. I've moved some things around from the questions that you came up with and I came up with, but I've moved some of the stuff around because i think it just feels better when i was going over this last night it just felt better to go in this sequence he's like okay hey i trust you you trust me just go with your feel so i get there i'm getting mic'd up and i'm just

talking and he comes in so he's already on one. And he says, I've been waiting a whole year. Right. Just to say my piece. The right the right space and platform to say yes. Yes. Right now. A lot of people have said, oh, Shannon left so much on the table. Shannon is not a journalist. I've never said I was a journalist. If you listen in my intro, I said, I normally what I say, the person that's coming by for conversation and a drink. Right. I'm a conversationalist, not an interviewer. Right.

It's a different space. He said, you allow other people a very safe place. That's why we like coming key words safe place i've also said on numerous occasions if you want 60 minutes if you want dateline if you want uh 48 hours i'm not the place for you go to those places and get those type of interviews go to lester go to nora o'donnell go to i'm not mike wallace rest his soul i'm not ed bradley rest his soul or dan rather or walter cronkite rest their soul don brokaw right that's not who i am so if you want those type of interviews you need to go to places that have those type of interviews. Now, the problem is, Cat Williams was my 102nd interview conversation on Club Shea Shea.

He was the 102nd. Nobody said anything. Oh, but Shannon, you left this on the bone. I've had Magic Johnson. I've had Steve Harvey. I've had Michael Blackson. I've had C johnson i've had uh uh steve harvey i've had michael blackson i've had cedric the entertainer i've had uh dc young fly i've had a lot of people nobody said anything about pushback and follow-up questions until i got cat williams on and this thing took off like

wildfire and the people that's commenting is like, you got 200 followers. You can't be a journalist with 200 followers because even, even people that don't know the journalists, they got at least four or 5,000. You're upset that he said everything that he said. And he said it on my platform. And now it's bringing attention to my platform. Just like I've had Ricky Smiley on.

I've had Steve Harvey. You didn't say anything. I didn't push back about Steve when he said things about winning a marriage. You didn't say a word. When he spoke about his daughter, you didn't say a word.

I asked Cedric about did he steal Cat Williams' joke. You didn't say, Shannon, you didn't follow it up. I've asked Ricky Smiley volunteered. He said, I didn't ask him.

He said that he was originally supposed to play money, Mike and cat was supposed to play Santa Claus. He said that you never said a word about follow up questions. And I left so much on the bone. It wasn't until this video, which is almost at about 11 million views and less than 48. Yes. Now, mind you, Steve Harvey's done 11 million views and less than 48 yes now mind you Ocho Steve Harvey

has done 9 million views who else DC Youngfly is at 4 million Ricky Smiley over 3 million Magic Johnson over 2 million I mean a lot of these videos have gone viral and had viral moments nothing is

caught fire like this this is what's upsetting them because had have gone viral and had viral moments. Nothing is caught fire like this. This is what's upsetting them. Because, first of all, he wasn't going to go on it because they don't know. He doesn't want to be. He wants to have a conversation. He said, you've allowed everybody else to come up here and say their piece. The hardest thing for me, Ocho, as the interviewer,

was the way he started. My thing was, do I interrupt him and get this thing back on track or do I let him go? See, when you're interviewing somebody like that and with the safe place that you do call it,

the fact that it's Cat Williams or a safety entertainer or any of these polarizing iconic figures you have to let them get their piece and say what they need to say that's the whole point of you having a platform and him willing to come on your platform to be able to do an interview and tell his truth is you got to let him go you got that you can't steer right you can't steer this and so he did he did 30 minutes before I asked anything. Where are you from? How did this your dad, your mom, brothers and sisters?

But he wanted to get that get that off his chest. And people say, no, no. He says the truth doesn't need motivation. Oh, no. That's what he said. He said the truth doesn't need motivation. He said there's never there's god's way and there's that and if it's not god it's the wrong way wait so while all you guys said well shannon you needed to follow up question with what i said i didn't ask no follow up question when when said said he didn't steal the joke that's not for me to decide you decide you decide who do you agree with that's not my decision to make i told you when i first started this my very first interview was my brother i said my job i'm

going to try you try to bring you some of the biggest celebs entertainers and athletes that i can possibly bring and i'm going to allow them to have a conversation and maybe tell you something or share something with you ocho that they've never said or they've said it such a long time ago you don't remember it but i want that that entertainer that celeb or that athlete to share some things with you and give you a different glimpse of who or who they are he or she that was it i never said i was a journalist i never professed to be a journalist i'm an entertainer i have entertainers and again if you want hard-hitting questions 60 minutes is the platform from you dateline 48 hours go to lester hope go to somebody that does that but but this is you got to understand those aren't safe places.

No. Those aren't places where you can get what you want to say off. Right. So they dictate they dictate everything. When you go that route. Ocho, you make a great point. So let me ask you this. You think Cat Williams was going to open up

as much as he did on any other platform? Absolutely not. If you go back and look, what's the longest, I mean, when we look at it, what's the longest interview he had done? Cat. Now, mind you,

I haven't seen anything he posted on his social media page since 2020. That's four years ago. No post. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Nobody else. I mean, the whole. Nobody, nobody, nobody else. I mean, the whole point is, it's almost like barbershop talk. Being able to sit down with you. Listen, I sat down with you and we talked. You had to kick me. You had to kick me out. Yeah. You had to kick me out when I did Club Shay Shay because I was in such a comfortable space.

Yeah, I was ready to go. I had you on. Ain't nobody say, well, why didn't you ask him about that situation that happened in Miami? Why didn't you ask him about this? Ain't nobody said anything. You're almost at six million with Coach Prime. Well,

you've been married this many times. Nobody said a word. It wasn't until I got Cat William. It wasn't until this thing took off like wildfire. And it's all across the internet. And it is more so about not only the traction, but it's what he said in the controversy that is stirred up. So now everybody has questions, their truths, their facts. So the Lord, what we've been able to do.

Go ahead, Ocho, go ahead. That shit was awesome. That shit was awesome. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Obviously me, I know Cedric. I know Steve. I knew Bernie Mac back when Mac was alive.

Goddamn, I got some stories about Cat. I'm going to tell you that a lot of people in the chat watching a lot of stuff that you probably didn't even know yourself, but we'll get to that later on when we, when we get into it. Look, I'm not saying we the best of friends, but I talked to Steve Harvey.

I got Steve Harvey number in my phone. I got Cedric number in my phone. I got Kevin Hart's number in my phone. Yeah. Earthquake and I, we talk the most. I can sit. Look,

I'm friendly, uh, uh cordial i've been to kevin hart's house been through his house met his wife just saw him the other night at another function showed me his car yeah had a conversation with him we're friendly earthquake and i i've met earthquake about six seven years ago we've been cool ever since he called sometimes earthquake could just text me brother i just called to say i love you keep doing your thing shine shine king yeah shine big shine black man stuff like that yeah hey i got this thing i got this uh uh i got mad this comedy hey swing through if you get a chance to so he and i have a different type of relationship than than the other guys but do i I talk to Steve Harvey? Absolutely.

Have he invited me to his farm in Atlanta? Yes. He invited me to, I think it's Dubai. He has a golf tournament Thanksgiving. Hey, I want you to come. So I have a great relationship. So it's hard on me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I listen, I understand. I totally understand where you're coming from, but obviously when truth is being told, you were just the moderator in between giving the individual the space to tell their truth. That's it. It's no hard feeling towards those that you already know, whether you know them personally or you just know them as associates. And I really enjoyed it. And the fact that you give us a space to be able to tell our truth on your platform, it's not a bad thing. It's a good thing. And there was no space for us to be able to do that.

And the fact that now we do have one. And this is going to be a trickle effect. Not only did you have Cat Williams, but it's going to be somebody else after that. It's going to be somebody else after that. And it's going to continue to have that effect where, you know what? I have things I need to get off my chest. What better place to do it

than on Club Shake Shake's platform, who's not going to judge you. No. He's going to ask the questions he needs to ask and allow you to say what you need to say. And that's it. It's simple. And the thing was,

and Cat asked me, he's like, well, why didn't you ask Ricky this? I said, Cat, normally when people are giving you information that you've never heard or no one else has ever spoken, you feel that he was in that situation. He's giving you pertinent information. I have no reason to believe Ricky Smiley is lying to me. Just like when you say something, when you're telling me this, this, and this. Now, I knew that he was homeless

because i talked to terry cruz i've known terry cruz terry cruz was on the team with my brother in 19 when i uh back at 90 91 so i know t cruz and he was on the movie he was a fill-in in training day his actual act role was if i'm not mistaken was next friday so i have a relationship with i have a relationship with t cruz and so for me that was the hardest part is to hear things but i said you know what i didn't expect you know what i knew it was a good end i knew i kind of knew oh yeah but i didn't know listen now there's cat williams now there There's certain people that you can get that can move the needle now. Oh, Joe. There are certain people you can get that can move the needle and move it big.

Oh, Joe. This thing is doing about 500,000 views an hour. I knew it. I thought we, CJ told me it's going to be bigger than Steve Harvey. At the time, Steve Harvey was about $8.8 million. So he's right at nine. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where was I at?

You behind time. You and time are tied at $5.8 million. Okay, I'm coming back. I'm coming back on Club Shay Shay. I got some controversy to talk about. Yeah, I'm for now. I'm for now, dude. Cat, fuck this.

Unless you show up butt naked, I they get all of you could do it. I don't know if you could beat cat because cats elbows at 11 million and we're not even 48 hours in. And so I remember wrapping the interview. Now, my Joe, I still got 20 to 30 minutes worth of questions left. Right.

The interview is two hours, 46 minutes and five seconds. And we didn't cut anything. Right. The interview is two hours, 46 minutes and five seconds. And we didn't cut anything. Right. And, and I remember finishing up and I look back, CJ is always sitting behind me. And I remember looking at CJ and he's shaking his head.

And he, and I'm like, what? He's like, Shannon, it's going to break the internet. I said, you think so?

Yeah. He's like, Shannon. Yeah. He's like, Shannon. Yeah. he's like Shannon yeah Jordan's like Jordan's shaking his head he's looking at me like everybody the makeup everybody's looking like right I was like man okay they're saying it's

gonna is that good okay I'm gonna take because when you edit a photo you in it. You don't. I mean, and so, bro. And so he, we drive this. Okay. When we go, I say, CJ, we're going to drop it in the new year. And that's why I start. So I'm saying, okay, I'm going to tease it. I'm going to say, I'm dropping one on club. Shay.

I promise you it's good for someone to be better than this and to be bigger than this. President Obama is going to have to come on your, come to be bigger than this president obama's gonna have to come on your come on your podcast and says i'm running for a third turn that's the only thing that's gonna possibly be bigger and he gonna come on mine and say that so that's that's that's that right yeah when we dropped it we got 121 000 people watching it live in the chat. Oh, Joe. So I'm like,

okay, this thing might do a million might do. I say it's going to be, and I told, I remember calling CJ. I say, it's going to probably do 2.5. Right.

Oh, Joe, I wake up this morning. Uh-huh. We have 5.2. Come on now. I was like, what the hell I so I'll say now I gotta refigure

I say okay it's gonna lose some steam no no no no no we probably gotta make it round the block first gotta make it round the block first now I'm thinking this thing might do about'm thinking this thing might do

about next Wednesday, this thing might do 20 million views. Yeah. It might do 20 million views. Most definitely. Because of what Cat did. As a matter of fact, Kevin Hart did the movies he passed on. Kevin Hart responded,

gotta get that anger out you champ. It's honestly sad. In the meantime, please enjoy my movie trailer, my next film, Lift, which will be dropping on Netflix in eight days. There is a moment in the trailer in which Goo Gum, whatever, who that is,

we're going to have it up on the thing. They really love you. I know she's talking about Kat. Mark your calendar world. This is a special one. Do we we're going to show we're going to show we can pull up right now. We're about to show you what Kat had to say. I mean, excuse me, what Kevin had to say. Excuse me. In 15 years in Hollywood, no one in Hollywood has a memory of going to a sold out Kevin Hart show. No one in Hollywood has a memory of going to a sold out Kevin Hart show. There being a line for him ever getting a standing ovation at any comedy club. He already had his deals when he got here.

Have we heard of a comedian that came to L.A. and in his first year in L.A. he had his own sitcom on network television and had his own movie called Soul Plane that he was leading? No, we've never heard of that before that person or since that person. What do you think a plant is? Maybe people don't understand the definitions of these words. He just did his documentary with Chris Rock where he shows you that his whole upbringing in comedy was on the East Coast. Yeah, it was. So how simultaneously was he here in Los Angeles doing

the same thing? It didn't happen. It didn't happen. That was Kat explaining Kevin Hart and how someone on the East Coast, primarily on the East Coast, able to come to the West Coast

and his career takes off basically like it did. Go ahead, Ocho. I have a question. Obviously, I'm not in the comedy space. I don't really understand. But when the opportunity presented itself for Kevin Hart, is it not about timing? Is it not about timing and you taking off at the right time or you just peaking at the right time and coming to L.A.? What do most people do that want to be actors, that want to be producers, that want to be singers, writers or whatever it may be? They normally get to the West Coast to reach that pinnacle of whatever that dream is they're trying to do. You think maybe that might have been the case or the fact that you had to leave the East Coast and Philadelphiailadelphia and get to la i do to reach i think the stratosphere where you want to head to i'm just i'm just asking i don't know because that's really not my field we uh they sold out your

cigars yeah they sold them out they crashed the site they started ordering something they crashed the site yeah but they say dall. Doug is working on it. It's not used to handling that kind of traffic. I appreciate that. Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate you. I thank you because I'm behind on child support.

Now I'm going to be able to catch up. We're going to catch you up. I think the thing is what Cat is saying, that the opportunity that he passed on was because he wasn't willing to compromise his integrity. Ah, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. And Kevin said, I didn't

compromise anything. Right. Here's a sound about Steve Harvey. He has something, he has some things to say about Steve Harvey. We got that sound right. We're about to play the sound that he said about steve harvey okay the same steve that went to go watch mark curry do his whole sitcom and then stole

everything mark curry had now steve got a sitcom where he the principal and he wear a suit and he and then he gets this high top fade making all black men think he got the best lineup in the business. And it's a man unit. Then you ask, why are you not a movie star? I didn't want to be a movie star. Just the same Negro that hated on Bernie with this same thing. I didn't want to be a movie star. No, you couldn't be a movie star.

There are 30,000 new scripts in Hollywood every year. you couldn't be a movie star there are 30,000 new scripts in Hollywood every year not one of them asked for a country bumpkin black dude that can't talk good or became it and look like Mr. Potato Head there ain't none you would have to have a range that's what he that's what he said about Steve Harvey I'll let people out there I remember I'm old enough to remember hanging with Mr. Cooper if I'm not mistaken Holly Robinson Pete was on that show. And then Steve Harvey had a show with he and Cedric the Entertainer. And so you can deduce whatever you is. I mean, did he steal it?

I don't know. But you take whatever you want to take. That's what I do. I present the case. I said, hell, OK, this is it. Because at the end of the day, if let's just say Steve is the prosecutor, cast the defender. Neither one of them get to decide. That's for the jury. Right. OK. The audience is the jury. Right. I have a question, though, when it when it comes to stuff like that, when it comes to, let's say, the NFL, for example, you see one play run a team that works.

What does the following team do after watching film? What do they do? They steal, they steal the plays. When it comes to the corporate world, it would come to, let's say apparel or shoes. Company has a shoe. They designed it a certain way.

What do other companies do? I tell you what, tweak it a little bit. Yeah. You better tweak it a lot of bit. And design the exact same shoe. Nike, Nike and Adidas,

they got patents and businesses you know the silhouette the silhouette is the same but the brand is a check and want to have three stripes but it looks exactly the same I thought imitation is a form of flattery if someone is willing to take something that you've done and twist the art of it a little bit is that is that a bad thing again i'm not in that field i don't know so i'm asking the question like a musician let me ask you a question you're a musician and somebody takes your song and remakes it you okay and there's a rendition you okay with that if they're not compensating you you okay with that imitation

that's the highest form of flattery i i see i see you going with that i see listen i i see you go i see i see you going with that but again listen i i see you go i see i see you going with that but again i think something like that or something of that magnitude it happens all the time in that field i'm assuming so um but it happens in so many different other fields as well so what do you do in a situation like that when someone steals your material what do you do i think i'm just curious the thing is what cat called, called them out. Okay. I think that's,

that's, that's the way that's the approach that he took. Um, right. It's kind of like you and I do this. Now we know eventually somebody else is going to come into space and do the nighttime space. Are they going to say,

Oh, we saw nightcap with uncle Ocho. And so, right. Or are you just going to pretend like we didn't exist? It just goes about your business. Oh, yeah, this is such and such. And we go blah, blah, blah.

Oh, so you're not going to give Ocho and I no credit? Right. But this is the thing. This is what we have to understand. The dynamic and the chemistry that we have and who we are individually as people. It doesn't matter who comes and tries to do anything predicated to doing at night. There's only one Uncle Nocho.

There's only one nightcap. I mean, you can duplicate it, you can replicate it, but there's only one us. So it would never be the same. It would never be the same. And there's no disrespect to anyone that wants to do anything of that magnitude, but I'm just saying you're not going to be able to do like, listen, it's only one Shannon Sharp that played for the Denver Broncos and Baltimore Ravens.

There's only there will never be another 85 that played for Cincinnati, no matter who wears 85. And that's no disrespect. I'm just saying. Think about think about this. Think about Martin. Think about the cast of Martin. Right. Think about the cast. Pam, Gina, Cole, Martin, obviously, and then Tommy. And then they had Hustle Man. Hustle Man and Nipsey. Hustle Man. Think about the main characters.

Tell me somebody else that you could interchange and that cast would still be the same. It wouldn't be the same. It wouldn't be the same no matter what you do. Some things are just meant to be. People can try to duplicate or have a rendition of it but it just won't be the same here's the thing chick-fil-a started with chick-fil-a is mainly known for the grilled chicken sandwich man that's that's the devil that's the devil's food but go ahead what did

popeyes do popeyes say we don't want to be number one. We just want to eat until your market share. Yeah. So even if they don't replicate that, let's just say they knock off five, 10,000 viewers. That's what they're trying to do. You're not trying. Okay, I see what you mean. When you get into a market, when you get into it, when you're starting up, it's like Tesla. Tesla had a big head start on the electric car market.

Yeah. BMW in the market. Mercedes in the market. Rolls Royce is in the market. You see where I'm going with this? Right. Yeah. The likelihood because they got Tesla has such a large lead. The likelihood of them overtaking them is not good. But just let me get 10%. 10% of something is better than nothing. And this is what I tell people. Sometimes, people would rather be the king of nothing

as opposed to be a queen or a peasant with something. You see what I did with that old joke? You would rather be the king of nothing as opposed to be the queen or peasant with something. So they're saying, even if we don't knock you off that perch, all we're trying to dig in is to dig into your market share. If you got a 90 percent of that. So let me take a five or ten, five or ten of nothing.

What I had in the market. I'm winning. You see what they do. So even if no, they can't replicate that because you're not going to have somebody with the personality of you and i you're not going to have somebody that's as credentialed in the pros in the football space like you and i and you damn sure not going to be able to have anybody that can tell stories like you and i know uh-uh and ain't nobody finna say be able to say stay with me now like me stay with you okay here's another thing with cedric the entertainer cedric entertainer this is what he said on twitter oh here's here's a here's a uh uh cat talking about cedric the entertainer

cedric did the same thing cedric told you when you asked him did you steal Cat Williams joke he said it don't line up how it don't line up that I did it on TV in 2018 you came to see me at the Comedy Store do it in 2019 and then did it on the Kings of Comedy like what doesn't line up I'm just saying I can't let these dudes lie Cedric sitting here telling you why he ain't a movie star he over here look like a walrus you didn't say nothing he can't even get his't a movie star he over here look like a walrus you didn't say nothing he can't even get his arms off his stomach sitting over here why i'm not a movie star he never wrote anything remember when cedric the entertainer starts he's supposed to be singing dancing and telling jokes that's why he's called the entertainer right we found out he can't sing

can't dance and doesn't write jokes. He did four comedy specials. They're so bad, Shannon, they're not available on Netflix or Tubi. Can I say that again for the audience? They're so bad that they're not available on Netflix or Tubi. You don't think Sam's a good comedian? The world doesn't think that, sir. I have 12 comedy specials. He has four specials that are not available on Netflix or Tubi. That's what Cat Williams had to say about Cedric the Entertainer.

Now, I know. Go ahead. Go ahead, Ocho. I have a question. This seems a little bit more personal than it is with just getting you getting your piece off and telling your truths like i would think especially comedians especially us wouldn't we all want to kind of keep that nucleus somewhat tight and not he he asked me he said how close are you friends to your opponents because he's looking at like this this. If I allow comedians or other comedians to steal my jokes,

then what am I? You're stealing my material. You're plagiarizing. That's why you see, you see when they sued Blurred Lines, what's the guy named? Robin Thicke? Robin Thicke.

Oh, Marvin Gaye's estate. Estate. Yes. Okay. Yes. And we Oh, Marvin Gaye's estate. Estate? Yes. Okay. Yes. And we see this quite often. So, it's like, and he's like, do you understand how long you

have to tell a joke to refine it, to sharpen it before you're able to take it to a special? He said, you just don't tell a joke. He said, anytime somebody tell a joke more times than not, they've told that joke so many times to refine it, to sharpen it before they take it. It's just like you, the likelihood.

What's the likelihood you go out there and you are in a game, a play that you hadn't practiced. Exactly. And the plays that the coaches feel the most satisfied about during the course of the week those are the plays that normally go in the game plan and what you see on sunday right right so i just i you know that that really ah fuck when it come to us man when it come to us listen to me it it come to us. Listen to me. It's only so many comedians.

It's only so many of us. It's only so many of us that have crapped into that upper echelon of stand-up shows, Netflix specials, HBO specials, and acting on the big screen. HBO specials and acting on the big screen. Yeah. I'm thinking, me, my thinking is we need to keep us all tight and feed off of each other and help each other out to make sure we are able to reach that plateau and that pinnacle of whatever comedy is to bring to you. But to have us going back and forth like this, I think it does us a disservice in that community. Yeah. And that space I'm talking about the, the, the comedic space.

It's a bit, it's been a very few select. I mean, I go back, um, Bill Cosby, um, was a nice spy.

He was the first one, like the first black to be a comedian and then go. And then you had Richard Pryor. Then you had Eddie. Yeah. I'm talking about comedians. You started stand up. I mean, Eddie went from, you know, doing stand up, doing Saturday Night Live straight to the big screen.

And when he took off, gone. Richard Pryor. Right. Stand up. Big screen. Actually, Bill was doing stand up. He went to TV. Mm hmm. And yeah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And took off. Think about this. Because Sad has done a lot of movies. Johnson Family Vacation, Welcome Home, Roscoe Jenkins. Sad has been in some movies. Yeah. And this is the funny thing.

One of the things that cat did say is he talked he said the word the word range when it comes to action yes but the people that you've named eddie had range richard pryor had range they they can and being a comedian you already have to be able to get in the character anyway but so range really shouldn't be an issue in that area because the people that he's naming have just that. Yes. Yes. I mean,

I, you know, I go back, like I said, uh, Richard and, and stir crazy with him and, um,

uh, Gene Wilder. Yeah. Eddie and all those Eddie movies. Eddie. I mean, Eddie is the standard as far as comedians doing movies. Right.

It is the standard. It is that. And I love Richard and Richard got it started. And I love Bill Cotton. You know what standard. It is the standard. And I love Richard. And Richard got it started. And I love Bill Cosby. What he did, look, look. So I don't want y'all, oh, Shatner say he love Bill Cosby. I'm talking about Bill Cosby

with Fat Albert. I don't know if you remember Fat Albert growing up on Sunday the Cosby Kids. Of course I remember Fat Albert. What you talking about? Of course. I had the sweater.

I spy was in the 60s. Bill Cosby was the first black. Yeah. Major role. Bill Cosby had that. Yeah. He was the first black. Major role. Bill Cosby had that. He was the most famous dad.

The Cosby Show. He owned the Cosby Show and leased it to NBC. Yeah. Yeah. And it's still airing today. Doing very well. This is what he also has some things to say about Martin, right?

Is this one? Okay, here's what Cedric said. Cedric said, revisionist history, regardless of whatever cat opinion, my career can't be reduced to one joke. Cat Williams claims his ears. I've been in over 40 movies. My special brand speaks volumes for who I am. The people that i have put on

including cat in the hat at the gibson amphitheater cedric also said and to all that tough talk is corny as f af which is you know what it is i'm a grown-ass man and none of that ish gonna go like you think you do know i got this over here you You know what? You know what I would like? Because you have the space and you have the platform. You have the power. You have the voice. They respect you. You could be the one to pull everybody back together.

Who, me? You could be the one. You could be the one to bring the band back together. If you don't do it, I'll do it. If you don't do it, I'll do it. But that's not really my space. But you could be the one to bring the band back together. If you don't do it, I'll do it. If you don't do it, I'll do it. But that's not really my space. But you could be the one to bring the band back together because we're more powerful as one

than we are separated and splinted. I'm just saying. And I know Cat personally. Let me, let me, quick story, quick story. And I know every time, and I just, I heard you say something earlier, is when somebody says something in that space with you and you're allowing them to tell their truth,

you have no reason to think they're lying. But when I tell my stories, you have no reason to think I'm lying. I already know you're lying. Oh, excuse me. No, I promise you I'm not. Stay with me now. I know Cat Williams now.

Cat Williams from Cincinnati. Yeah. Cat Williams from Avondale. Cat Williams is from Avondale I tell you no lie I opened for Cat Williams In 2004 I told you I did comedy You thought I was lying

I bullshit you not I didn't say that you were A lot about that I believe that No you did You did I told you listen Out here at the improv

Ask Benji Brown Ask Benji Brown When the first comic Ever got booed At the improv In Coconut Grove On Brown, ask Benji Brown. When the first comic ever got booed at the improv in coconut Grove on Tuesdays, I would finish the set. That's how good I was.

So boom, revert 2004, Kat Williams finances own special. Stay with me. I'll tell you, I'll tell you no lie. I lied for you before I lied to you. 2004,

Kat Williams spots finances own special at the Taft Theater in Cincinnati. Guess who opened up for him? Huh? You should have called me. Nah, you ain't funny like that. I'm real funny. Man, we already had this discussion. We put it to the chat.

Okay, let me finish. Let me finish. So this is the unreleased. This is the unreleased special that nobody's even seen. Then I saw Cat again in 2006 at US Bank Arena in October where he did some of the same material

from that special nobody else seen where I opened up. That's just to give you a little history and background on how I know Cat and how we go way back. And I'm also a comedian most of the time, but you'd be thinking I'm lying but go ahead

and finish finish finish what you're gonna say I don't know why you keep on thinking that I told you the people already told you they already know I'm funny to you Ocho I can really do this no no no no no no no you not funny to me you not funny to me I'm funny funny like you

funny listen oh I ain't gonna lie to you let me take my glass off. You funny? But you ain't Ocho for it. There's a difference. I got range. I got range. You got range from one to four. I'm one to ten. Ocho. I can take it here and I can take it there.

You can't do that. Ocho. I've had actual comedians. I'm talking about Sandy Entertainer. I'm talking about Ricky Smiley. I'm talking about DC Youngfly. I'm talking about Cedric the Entertainer. I'm talking about Ricky Smiley. I'm talking about DC Youngfly. I'm talking about guys that's come on the show. They told, I mean, Cedric the Entertainer told me in 2016, 2017, when he

came on the show, he said, man, you can do this. Hold on. They telling you you could do that because they have to tell you that because they on your show. I actually did it. I actually did it. I actually did it.

I did stand up. Put it up in the chat. 10 minutes. I guarantee I'll get more laughter than you in 10 minutes. I guarantee it. Tell a joke right now. Tell a joke right now. Tell a joke right now.

You don't be joking. I'm going to do these jokes while I'm safe. Because I already know the first joke I tell, they're going to be like, ah, you said that? Nah, it's okay. I'm good. You got people watching. Give me one good joke.

Give me one good joke. We got 53,000 in the chat. Oh, they watching. 53,000 people. You say you funny. Tell a joke right now. Look here. I'm trying to be commercialized.

Right. I'm commercialized too. If I tell this joke, I ain't going to be commercialized. Well, it depends. See, that's where the rain's coming. You got to be able to tell different jokes based on your audience and your demographic no no we got all kind of in the no when i'm in a comedy when i'm in a comedy you already know you're coming to get it's comedy so i'm talking about everybody all right well let it fly right now talk about me real quick if you got one of them placards in your in your, I got you. I saw you back in, you know what I'm saying?

I saw you back in, Ocho. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. But anyway, hey, Novenix noticed that in comedy, stealing material is like Popeye stealing Chick-fil-A sandwiches, wrapping them in Popeye's packages, and selling them like they made them. I hear what you said. But look at Nike. Look at Adidas. Look at...

I can go on and on. Brands do the same thing. Mickey? Companies do the same thing. Everybody does the same thing in the corporate world and it trickles over. Shit, hell, the NFL world.

I just explained to you how teams are copycat throughout the league, throughout the season. They see plays that work on one team, you know what we're going to do. We're going to steal copycat throughout the league, throughout the season. They see plays that work on one team, you know what we're going to do. We're going to steal that, change the formation and run the same thing. I think that's a little different.

It happens all the time. Stealing somebody material and then using it as if you're own. That's like how you feel like somebody out there talking about my name, Ocho Cinco, and everything that you do, they saying that's them. It ain't going to work, though.

Yes, it is. It ain't going to work. It ain't going to work. Just think about it. Think about it. It's only one Ocho. Hey. It's only one Ocho.

I'll tell you what. What shoe company can use air other than Nike? Let Adidas talk about they got air. Let Puma talk about they got air. See? Why not? You see how that does that? Air. See, you see how that doesn't make sense? It don't make sense though. Because when you hear the

word Air Jordan, the first thing that comes to mind is Michael and Nike. That ain't got nothing to do with it. You said imitation is the highest form of flattery. So Nike should be honored that a shoe company is using property

intellectual property that they're infringing. That's patented. So they should be okay like yeah, we cool with that man. Thank y'all for stealing our property and making 20 billion off of it. I wish you would. I totally understand.

I totally understand. Listen, on Twitter, I steal people tweets. I totally understand. I totally understand. Listen, on Twitter, I steal people's tweets. Yeah. I steal people's tweets because they be funny and I like it. You and I both know John Geiger. Oh, that's my guy.

I love John. I love his stuff. When he started replicating them shoes, what did Nike do? He won that lawsuit too, I think. I think he won that.

I don't know the logistics of what happened, but he still makes it. He still makes it i don't know the the logistics of what happened but he still makes it he still makes it but the silhouette the silhouette of it yeah i know exactly what he's talking about yes i know he's like oh matter of fact i got i got a joke for you real quick let me get one let me show you how funny i am hey chat y'all yeah we ready watch out watch how funny this is. You ready? Yeah. What do you call a well-balanced horse? A well-balanced horse.

A well-balanced horse. A hobby horse. A pommel horse. Stable. Oh, Lord. Stable. You see this? Ocho, we got 9,000 votes.

Who do you believe is funnier? Uncle Ocho. And with 69% of the votes, 61 9,000 votes. Who do you believe is funnier? Uncle Ocho. And with 69% of the votes, 61% of the votes. Hey, hey, man, they lying, man. They lying. They lying. No, they lying. Not after that good joke I just told.

Okay, this is what Nikki said. Two things can be true. What can't said about them is true doesn't mean we won't enjoy them as entertainers we just know their integrity it's questionable ocho you can't speak to him on a man ben feels some type of way when he responds that's what nicky said ten thousand votes now this is what he said he also has something to say we're gonna tee this up this is what uh cat williams said about martin lawrence let's cue the sound martin tried to put me in my first dress when he had to go on his hiatus he tell me kat when i come back i need you you my young partner you my brother in comedy when i come back just promise me that my next movie it'll be me and you we're gonna do it together

we're gonna do some buddy cop shit i said mart, you got my motherfucking word, my nigga. Go do what you got to do. When you come back, I'm in your movie. Don't trip. I don't need to see the script or nothing. You know, we get in that office and this fool pull out Big Mama's house, too. I almost died. And I got to read this script from all these good white people.

Where this nigga want me to get in a dress with him. And I'm literally saying to everybody, why is he in a dress again? You already played the old lady as a FBI agent. We can play anything now. We can be playing a dog catcher this time. Why do we need to be in a dress? And I get so mad i say

you don't want me you want brandon t jackson and that's who they went got twice i said it they went got him just like i'm telling you i had the other dudes work i had all of it all i did was say i want to punch it up so it's not offensive to real niggas and that's how i got in this position and if i if I'm not mistaken, and Chad, you can correct me if I'm wrong, I think Brandon T. Jackson said he regrets playing that role. If I'm not mistaken,

Chad, pull that up. Maybe I'm wrong, and if I'm wrong, I'm going to apologize, but I think I read that somewhere. Wait, he said he regrets playing the role? Because he was the cop opposite of uh martin and big mama's two martin why why would he regret why would he regret playing the role he said

he regrets it because his career went downhill after that nothing so he thinks his career went downhill because of the role he played all i can go by is what someone said ocho see here's the thing if somebody tells ocho it real tells you oh baby that hurt my feelings you don't get to say well i don't know why i hurt your feelings she just told you right yeah so he said now whether it can be true or not, but you can only go by what your feelings are. He believed that has something to do with his career not going in the direction that he believed it should have. That's him. That's him. that when you're really good at something, when you're really good at something, and obviously I'm not an actor, I've done some acting though, but when you're really good at something, and if you're really, really good at it, as good as you think you are, there's

no role. Oh, absolutely. That can absolutely where you can be denied if you're good at your craft. There's a reason why some damsel tells the story about how he turned down a role and it was supposed to be a role that he was like, uh, he said the N word that would never die. They tried to electrocute him. They tried to hang him, he said the N-word that would never die.

They tried to electrocute him. They tried to hang him. And he said, nah, I'm good with that. Oh, okay. There's certain things that aren't for you though. There's certain things that aren't for you. But Denzel's skill and ability to act with his range won't deny him any other jobs after that.

But here's the thing. We don't know had he taken that role. Sometimes you can take a role. It's like coaching. Sometimes you take a job just because it's a head coaching job and you never get an opportunity again because of what transpired there.

Okay. I see where you're going with it. Obviously, I don't know much about that space. I don't know much about the acting space. I'm thinking when you're really good at something Obviously, you know, I don't know much about that space. I don't know much about the acting space. I just, I'm thinking when you're really good at something, you can't be denied because you're good at that specific craft or whatever it is you do.

Especially the art of acting. He even had something to say about Ludacris. We got that sound? Wait. Luda, Luda? Luda responded. Yeah, let's talk to the video. Whatever's heavy on my heart is always on my mind like Snoop's cannabis shredder. I'm always on my grind

They throw a shade cuz niggas could never take my shine. I bring my watch collection on my jet Let me take my time like fine wine. I'm aging like Benjamin top five. I'm worth mentioning bring me rappers I'm lynching them see the pendulum swing, Jesus with diamond thorns Ludicrous, twaddled in Gucci linens when I was born Never been a Luminati, only a Luda-nati And I only left with bitches when coming from any party Now I'm married with kids, the evolution of life Never been a clout chaser, never say shit for likes R.I.P.

John Singleton, you never have to flex when you earn every one of your fast and furious checks afro with the sideburns yeah that's my signature addictions on the rise comedians check your temperature that's ludah's retort to what cat said in the interview oh that was nice oh you know hey ludah don't get the love and respect that he deserves cuz he's a lyric lyricist Is impeccable Always whether he on his own or he on a feature Ludum okay, so don't play with that man, you know, you know, I could rap to now what Chris Christmas Oh, we will need anything else rap Don't play with that man. You know I can rap too now. What, Christmas?

We don't need anything else rap. Nah, I'm just saying, this is my own. Let me give you one bar. What kind of bar? I'm going to give you one bar. What do you want to drink? I got a bar right back here. What do you need?

Nah, listen, let me just give you, I'm going to give you one bar real quick. Okay. My grandmother was blind and I had to read in braille every time i think about it was a touching story no no i get what you're trying to go with it my grandmother was blind yeah and i had to read in braille it was a touching story. Yeah, you know what? You told that story about your grandma reading in Braille. Before you make me mean. Next time you

wake up, you're going to be in hell. You don't make fun. I don't want to give you this float. I like that. I like that. Hey, I got that from Twerk. Twerk, I appreciate you, baby. I just use your lines. See? Imitation. Yeah. It's the purest form of flattery. Hey, that your live. See? Imitation. Yeah.

It's the purest form of flattery. Yeah. Hey, that was nice. Bring that back one more time. Bring that back one more time. Ocho, bad question. Ocho, the wrong role can railroad your career. The same as the wrong song, album can kill your career as a singer, rapper. Listen, in acting, if you ain't that boy, you right here turning down roles, it ain't like roles just be.

No, but I'm saying. They ain't just coming at you like that. You might be good and take the wrong road and it derails you. Right. It's kind of like a quarterback going to the wrong team. We see guys go. Oh, like my dude, Zach. Like Zach Wilson.

Yeah. And you know what? I never thought about it like that. I never thought about it like that. Not as you, you opened my eyes and the people in the chat are obviously opening my eyes when it comes to those that are acting,

those that are in that field. I'm thinking, you know, shit, if you're good and you're really good at what you do, you will always have opportunities and the role you take, it shouldn't divert what it is you're trying to do or where you're trying to go

and getting more. What's the old adage? You never get a second chance to make a first impression. Hey, hey, I like that. That's why, because, okay, Ocho, we do this.

We bomb. How do we reinvent it to come back for people to come back and watch again? They're like, we already heard that. Right. We already saw that. We good. Right. You get one chance to get it right.

Right. Especially when you're dealing, you dealing with, it's not like, look, we got family and friends who's going to watch us regardless, but we're asking people that have really no connection, no affiliation to us

to tune in, listen to what we have to say, be educated, be entertained, and to come back once, twice, three,

four times a week. And you know what, by the way, check out your favorite uncle on Club Shay Shay. That's what we're asking. You've got to give, and you don't get a second chance at that. People are unforgiving. Have a bad meal at a restaurant.

How many times do you have a bad meal? They're like, well, you know, it was just bad this time. They're like, no, I'm good. Right. I got one more question. I mean, in the chat the chat chat i need y'all to help me out listen listen to me real quick i understand hollywood in a sense i understand acting in a sense i've heard the frustrations and the gripes for many of people throughout the years in general how hard it is to get roles how hard it is to get jobs so when you it is to get jobs. So when you say you don't want to take certain roles

like so many opportunities are being presented to you to be able to turn down roles, how do they navigate in that area, in that field, and in that space when it's already hard to get roles and you have to turn stuff down

because of what it might be and it might derail your career when you can't even get your career off the goddamn ground because you're turning shit down because you're not getting enough opportunities to begin with. Look at it like this.

That's the part that's confusing me a little bit. Let me enlighten your eyes. How much money you think I could make if I were to say my people, my community is our fault, all of our fault

that we're in this position and take some of the approaches that we've seen other people take they'll write me they'll write me a check as big as as big as as long as the hollywood sign yes i refused to compromise anything because at the end of the day i gotta lay down with me money money don't make me i make it all money ain't good money because at the end of the day now i'm not saying that anything that can't say it about these people because i don't know these people i don't have i don't have knowledge of what he said he says he has information okay but at the end of the day ocho i prepare as well as well as I can. And I'm not always right

when it comes to predicting the score. But I can honestly say when I critique a player, there's no malicious intent involved. I've done as much research as I possibly can on a given topic. You see, Ocho,

and people like, well, Sheldon, go back and look at my interviews when I interviewed players and I was with cbs now i have factual information that yard plays situation that in which you said you did this well that's not what happened here but what right so i can refute he's telling me one thing they're telling me something else when i was need i was neither

place so the best thing for me is to stay out of it and i'm gonna let the people that watch this video i'm gonna let them decide you see someone said chad you were really good at football but how important to perceive your antics kept you out of the hall of fame see perception perception is a person's reality but but this is this is this see i like that i like what they just said if i cared about actually being there i would conduct myself in the manner to achieve that goal but that was one that i didn't care about which is why i put on my own jacket so you have to understand who i am first as an individual and know that i don't care i wouldn't have played the game the way i did i like where they went with that though i like that that was i don't think that was dope i could be wrong but i don't think

anybody comes into the nfl thinking about the hall of fame i mean maybe thinking about winning mvp hey hold on um you know what it took to get there wait let me take my let me take my glasses off you don't know my whole story do you understand what it took to even get there forget the mother forget the goddamn gold jacket you know your story i know your story my the chat knows your story i think those that have followed my career you understand the obstacles the four schools i had to go through being a one-for-one going to oregon state making it to Cincinnati. Man, listen, it was hell just getting there. You think once I got there, I was going to change the way I play the game because I have an opportunity to wear a gold jacket? I don't care about that shit. Excuse me,

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It's different because use the cat's mind. So just imagine you spend all this time working on something. Somebody steal your hard work, put their name on it. You like,

hey man, that's the bad imitation of the greatest form of flattery. I'm cool with that. Imagine, imagine somebody stealing the iPod. Imagine somebody stealing the iPod. Imagine somebody stealing the iPhone. You cool? I like this.

See, this shit's so good, I got to stand up. But listen, boom, I got another one for you. Back on the counter, what he's talking about. You and I have nightcap, right? You and I have nightcap. So, we have other people. Let's say we got five other people that create shows that they want to do at night and they want to do the same thing.

They want to talk about basketball. They want to tell stories. No matter what they do with that format, it still won't be the same as the original. Yeah. It still won't be the same as originally. Even if you do try to do it, you're not going to be able to replicate and get the same outcome that we're getting. So therefore, it is what it is. I think the problem is,

is the material is being stolen in some cases, and then the material is not only being stolen, but it's reaching heights they never thought before. So it's really good. So I think that's where the issue comes in. Well, damn damn he took my stuff and he motherfucking took off with it but if it didn't take off there would be nothing there would be nothing to complain about but here's the thing let's just say here's the thing because we're so we're so large anybody that does this go like okay y'all swiped it but just imagine some little local

and they're doing this and they're coming on at night right and they call their show nightcap and they do we might we don't we don't have any we had to go to court we had to go to court we gonna have to go to court man uh it is it's like go Johnson Ocho you been rich too long imagine if you got an A on a test someone comes and races your name and put their name at the top

and they get the A and don't mention you now see that's a problem that's a problem and I think that's the issue with cat because the joke should be stolen and everything yeah everything taken off and i think that's that's that's that's where the problem lies uh jerry lee said oh phenomenal interview with cat you did amazing ocho were your thoughts on cat standing on business with bernie mack towards the end of comedy uh if any r.i.p bernie he holds bernie he holds bernie in very high regard

he said yeah that he had an opportunity to be uh once bernie left another uh the king of comedy that replaced bernie he said no after they pooped on bernie he's like no y'all ain't fit to do what y'all whoa i need better context you say they they they shitted on Bernie? Well, the story is, I don't know if it's true or not, but they said Bernie, from what I've been able to deduce, I guess Steve said they were all supposed to alternate. But Steve ended up going last. Nobody wanted to follow Bernie. but Steve ended up going last nobody wanted to follow Bernie because it's kind of like you know hey

it's kind of like if you're in a talent show and you go behind a kid or an animal well good luck with that okay okay okay I see where you're going you got to follow Bernie Steve was saying that's a hard

that's a hard act to follow behind so Steve said I want to be in the rocking chair. That's a hard act to follow behind. Right. So Steve was saying, I wanted to be in the rocking chair, which means I went third, and Bernie, oh, we flip it up. Ced go last.

DL go last. Right. But Cat was saying, Steve, it's your tour. So if it's your tour, you're supposed to. So if you're the headliner obviously you go he's the headliner he got to go last right right but that's not what steve said steve said it was

agreed upon that everybody was gonna go you know hey we're gonna rotate it right so you deduce and he said i'm not gonna do it y'all did what y'all did to Bernie. Right. So, screw y'all. Damn. Goddamn Bernie, boy. Bernie was funny, boy. Goddamn.

Oh, Bernie. You seen, remember Common View? In school, in what's that movie? House Party. Oh, man. House Party, Friday. Oh, yeah. Man, Bernie was funny, man man i'm talking about the old comic the old comic view uh yeah all them that's that's but see that's where all them all the guys that you see the bruce bruce's the earthquake all those guys deaf comedy jam uh uh uh comic view

yeah uh hey them boy them boys funny man Listen, I know we talking about Cat. We talking about Sid and all that, man. You have the power, man, to bring the band back together, man. They don't need to be that. Just is an easy way to get that nucleus back together, man. I'm telling you, we are more powerful as one as opposed to bickering and bantering. And you took this and you took this and you took that i didn't take that i didn't take i'm telling you man and just just lift each

other up i mean we we always in situations like this this is just a a small instance to to one of the cases in which we always are going against each other instead of coming together and finding a way and resolving the issues to keep on climbing that ladder augustus play says ocho fire ocho after that rap attend what man you're right he tried i got i got a i got a i got an album on itunes right now man don't play with me you tripping mitch ever says hey y'all make sure you see a cat on the bottom of the 48. Actually, he took a bottle with it because we actually had a bottle already open that we're supposed to pour. He opened a brand new bottle, said, no, that's your bottle.

This is my bottle. And he took the bottle with him. But we do have his address and we are going to send him something because he said this is going to be your biggest. He said nobody's going to do episode bigger than this one. So he knew what he had done. And going to be your biggest. He said, nobody's ever going to do an episode bigger than this one. So he knew what he had done. And I appreciate that, Kat. Mike Evans says, hey, y'all, make sure you send Kat

a LaPortier gift box for the streams. Also, hope you know you can only have Dave Chappelle, Eddie Griffin or DL and the next comedians. Were you uncomfortable? It's kind of like anything. When someone is saying something about someone you know.

I know Steve. I've talked to Steve on the phone. I have Seth's phone number in my cell phone. I have Kevin Hart's number in my cell phone. I have Ricky Smiley's number in my cell phone. Yeah. Same, same, same. Yeah, I mean,

I just felt the best thing for me to do in that situation. Because if I stand up now, I'm taking a side, I'm going to do something I've never done before in 101 episodes, and that's take a side. Yeah, you got to play the fence. I'm Switzerland, I'm neutral.

At the end of the day, however many people will watch the video and the clips y'all decide you agree what he's saying you don't agree what he's saying you like what he said you don't like what he's saying those guys are still cool i'm still cool i'm still cool with everybody that he mentioned i'm still cool you know who you gotta get and'm still cool. You know who you got to get. And if you, if you can't get him, I text him for you. You got to get,

you got to get Dave Chappelle. I mean, since we on the top of comedians and some of the greats, you got to get Dave Chappelle. Uh, that would be nice, bro. You do realize it's not people like, well,

get this person, get that person. Y'all do realize like's not people like, well, get this person, get that person. Y'all do realize like a lot of these names that you guys have mentioned, we've reached out to. I mean, I can't. Oh, if you. Oh, I could. Listen, I can cut out the middleman. I'm going straight.

I'm going straight to the horse. I ain't got time to be talking to assistants and all that other bullshit. Now, if you want, Dave, you let me know. I call. I call Dave right now. Now we do. We talk about it. Of course Dave, you let me know. I call Dave right now. No, we do. We talk about it. Of course.

Okay, let me know. Let me know now because we a team. We a team. Danny Lepsis says, when you took those extra sips of cognac after Kat dropped them bombshells, what was going through your mind

at the time? The same thing that's going through your mind when you heard it and i'm like i'm yeah i'm right there again he's talking about people that i that i that i know and i'm not saying i know them like i know bucket or i know burns but i've had conversations with them and so it was it was different hearing. A lot of the stuff I had never heard before. I've heard some of it. But like I said, I'm just like, I'm cool with him. I'm cool with Cat.

Cat said what he said. But at the end of the day, I need the people that's watching, that watched it, downloaded, heard it, wherever you heard it from, wherever you got it from, you make your decision. Yeah. That's crazy that's not rodney dinkins asked my whole boy oh did you get any feedback from saying steve or ricky no i have not heard from any of them as of yet i did talk to quake earthquake hit me up like he normally does and uh yeah we had a great conversation but that's it i don't i don't think they're gonna say no i don't think they're gonna say none you know those that responded they said they love peace i mean it's it's early but we're in the fourth day of the new year man we we're in the fourth day of the new year and and you had a hiroshima type interview basically that's that's what that was you had a a Hiroshima type interview. And I'm not sure

with what they have going on if they want to continue to give it legs. Because right now, it's in a world of its own. And again, by the time probably, what was today? It ain't been 48 hours yet, huh? It'll be 48 hours tomorrow at 9 a.m. Listen, by the time we do the show Saturday, you might be at 20 million. Yeah, for sure. For sure. You might be at 20 million. I mean, we're pretty close.

We're pretty close to 11 million right now. Matter of fact, maybe 30. We're pretty close to 11 million right now. Man, that's crazy, man. Yeah. That's good work there, man. That's good work.

But I know one thing. If we could bring them all, we could bring all them boys together man like the 12 disciples and have a nice sit down you'd be the moderator that'd be even bigger that'd get 100 million uh byron joe david every everyone has a response but no one is denying what was said um uh jonathan scott asked hey uh what were you thinking when Cat said he had less to drink than you

the look on your face was priceless because that wasn't true he started way before that interview trust me I promise you that and like he said you could ask anybody on the set that was there

Lanny Ray welcome back Lanny Ray that Cat interview was Like he said, you could ask anybody on the set. That was there. Lainey Ray. Welcome back, Lainey Ray. That cat interview was fire. Shannon, who is the number one person on your list to interview that you haven't yet? LeBron. In this order. LeBron, Dave Chappelle, President Obama. LeBron, Dave Chappelle President Obama

Oprah wait you man I told you you gotta talk to me man you naming people in my contact I call Obama right now I bet he answer watch this hold on I'm gonna put it on speaker how many else you call I call Obama right now. I bet he answer. Watch this.

Hold on. I'm going to put it on speaker. How many else of you call? Yeah, man. I got Obama number. It's disconnected. Obama. What's up?

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Obama. Shannon. Shannon. Sean said he wanted to interview you okay all right i'm gonna pass me your information all right first of all yes sir first of all ocho i told i told you it's very disrespectful i told you what you do hey i i got connections. I'm not saying that you don't have connections. But when you... I just talked to Obama.

When you address a former president or a state... No, no, that ain't... Nah, that's that TV shit. Me and Obama ain't like that. No, he's always president. Me and him, we don't talk like that. We don't talk like that.

Me and Obama go back in Chicago. You know, I used to be a GD. I don't bang no more, but I used to be a GD. I don't bang no more, but I used to be a GD. Obama was GD with me. But boom, then he went into politics. Yeah, you were the GDL. A gosh darn fool. That's what I'm talking about.

But yeah, so boom. And you know, we went separate. We went down two different paths. He went politics, presidential route. I went football. But man, I got some of the people you know, I could call all for two. You know who I want? You know who I want to get? Kim Kardashian. Man, let me call Rob right now.

Let me stop playing. Hey, so I got let's see. I said LeBron. I got the resources now. LeBron, who I said LeBron, Chappelle, President Obama, Oprah, Kim Kardashian. I got some other people, but I don't want to know because I don't want y'all to try to swipe them from under me.

Because I've been able to... The people that do this, that's in our space, I think I've landed some of the biggest and the best. But you got to understand, you are the hot ticket right now. So people are going to be willing to come to you as opposed and no disrespect to any other spaces because all the other spaces are doing phenomenally well. I watch the other spaces as well. People that have shows going on, I salute all of you, but I'm just saying particularly about the people that you want to get. I think there'll be more inclined to come because you are a safe space i'm not saying that the other spaces aren't but you're a safe place and it is it's perfect all right listen i already put the word in with obama so you

once you get that you already know what it is oh yeah for sure maybe maybe around the time for the uh election and we're gonna try to you know drum up some support get people out hey we'll see what happens like that uh uh conscious flow state what do you think when he went there about kanye and kim kardashian i forget what did he say about kanye and kim oh i ate about the mentally, mentally, why do we always get all up in arms about some of the stuff that Kanye does when we already say he's mentally ill. So what are you expecting from him?

If he's someone where you say, yeah, it's, it's, it's, I don't know. That's, that's,

that's, that's tough. That's, that's tough. I want to, I want to, I want Kim to come on my podcast. Cause I want to know,

I want to pick up brain. Cause look here bro from a from a from a business aspect boy real deal absolutely real deal cali x wayne says maybe you can host a comedy feature feature all these guys shea shea's comedy corner man i ain't got no deep hey you know what they're gonna say'm going to need like a financial institution to spot me some money. Because considering what Kevin Hart gets, what Quake get, what all these guys get, it goes. And then I got to get Cat to agree to it. Oh, he going to say, yeah, he going to say, yeah, because money means.

Oh, wait, I'm not going to say money talk because integrity comes first. But how much you need? We can go half on it. Man, you're crazy. Man, could you imagine Shay Shay Comedy Special? Yeah, I can imagine. With all them boys? Like I said.

I can get the money. Hey, well, that's what I'm trying to do. I'm going to try to draw money too. Well, let's go half. No, no, no, Ocho. How about we get how about we get somebody to sponsor it it's my man listen the sponsor gonna come out the blue once they know it's me and you and then once kevin gonna do it i know kev i can call kev oh you know what i

ain't gonna do that uh maybe yeah okay the chat is focused on what cat called Kim. Look, I don't agree with what he's saying. He's in. Look, he's entitled to his opinion. I've allowed everybody to come on my space on that, on that, on, on club. Give his or her take and keep it moving. If that's the way he feels fine. if that's the way he feels fine yeah you don't you don't have to address everything somebody say every every little detail just we we all are going to have we all are going to have opinions about other people's personal lives and the way they conduct themselves and the way they move i mean that's that's neither here nor there. And that's pretty much it. Yeah. It ain't for everybody. Brother Antonio Robinson said, Uncle 84, what specific thing that cat said that stayed in your head a little longer than everything else?

Hell, everything. I mean, you got to think about it. The man left home at 13. Went out on his own at 13 with a Rottweiler puppy and went to a truck stop and hitchhike and hitchhike he didn't call it that but that's what it was when you hop a ride with somebody that you don't know is hitchhiking yeah he's like i asked this guy where you going he's going to california this guy was going to florida i was getting as far away as i possibly could

from snow and florida was was far but it wasn't as far as California. I hopped in the back and I took off. So you just think about it. You're 13 years of age and you ain't going down the street, Ocho. You ain't going to your aunts or your grandmothers. You're going...

That's tough. You got to grow up real fast now. You got to grow up real fast. And so, yeah, I think for me, a lot of that I mean two hours and 46 minutes, there's a lot.

A lot of it that I'm still processing because I'm like, wow. He has a very interesting life but he has a very complicated life. Right, right. Don't for show. BT used to be like this 20 years ago.

We want Denzel and Monique on. That was something that I'm working on. I know Denzel a little bit. I don't know Monique, but I think she'd be great. i'm definitely that's someone that i would love to sit down with i think she has a very interesting story uh i saw her impressions she reminds me a lot of my aunt marynell i mean yeah the way she looked her mannerisms uh but she's definitely someone i would love to have on the pod. That would be a good one. Monique would be a good one. That would be a very good one.

Denzel would also be a very good one. Samuel Jackson, you know. Oh, boy, Sam. Woo! The straight Achia donated, and he said, Love what you've been doing, Unc. Shout out to you, Ocho. Ocho, if you took them shades off, we would we have to open our eyes and enlighten them.

Love y'all. We have to open your eyes, enlighten them. They're trying to say they're trying to enlighten you to what's going on about, you know, the plagiarism and the stealing of jokes and some of the things that I heard. I heard him clear as day and also gave some examples based on the plagiarism that's going on outside of just comedy. I got you. I got you.

Lauren Starling said, somebody gave Ocho a Dos Equis for being the most interesting man in the world. Could possibly. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Might as well. Jabari said... Nah, I don't want no Dos Equis. I want La Portilla. You got to say it like that. La Portia. Japari said

this is proud of you with Real. Uncle and Ocho, both of you go to Magic City. Who's pulling more? Who got more game? Baby, you ever ask me? If I go to Magic City, who's going to pull more? They call me Parker Brothers.

Name somebody got more games than Parker Brothers. Name somebody got more games than Parker Brothers. She's talking about not my black ass. Oh, what? I don't want... Oh, she's talking about we going to the Magic City Classic. Fam, you versus Jackson State.

She said that's the only Magic City I'm going to. Nah, Real, you promised. You said we could go. Oh, she did promise. Oh, man, we out, man. We out, man. Listen, I don't know why she even... Guess who wear the pants in here.

Real. They say you wear the pants, but they fit Real. So I'm saying Real wear the pants in here? Rail. They say you wear the pants, but they fit rail. So I'm saying rail wear the pants. No, I don't do that. Rail wear them. She's a brand winner. Whoever make the money make the rules. Wait.

Since when? Where is that written at? Since the beginning of the time. That's what the man been saying. I pay the bills in here. What man? I work hard every day. You sit around and watch the kids.

You don't run nothing but your mouth. And then you run around the house and talk about you run the house. That's real house. And you better hush. You better stop talking so loud before the whole rail hear you and boot you out.

She's sitting right here. But listen, this is my household i run the household now i i don't pay the bills i'm a stay-at-home father that is what i am i'm a stay-at-home father yeah ain't nothing wrong with that this is this is one of my jobs father you i don't have no problem i take me and these kids and we'll be gone. I'm good. I'm on rail side. How you how you gonna just throw me to

the waste, throw me under the bus like that? Hey, listen, I'll be I'll come stay with you. You know what? And I'm telling all I'm turning all the financial documents over to rail and her representative to see what you actually getting from us okay that ain't funny yeah real kiki you think ha ha ha ha jane bishop said hey ok 85 just want to let you know that i view both of you as my role models i'm getting ready to graduate college and hope only to be as half as successful as you guys nah you got to do better

than that because we paid the rate you know things yeah you get an opportunity to know things and to see things that we had to find out firsthand you get an opportunity the old saying is a wise man will learn from other mistakes a fool will learn from his own. Why would you ever make the same mistakes that Ocho and I have made? Yeah. When we laid out a blueprint of how to navigate and not make the same mistakes. Now, you're going to make some mistakes, but the mistakes that he and I made, you should be absorbed from those. You should be able to avoid those.

Oh, yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. Most definitely. those you should be able to avoid those oh yeah most definitely most definitely uh hey uh what's something cat said that surprised you most and you having jay-z in the club would be epic that would be um oh man i'm surprised by all of it i mean mean, bro, it's two hours and 46 minutes. What did he say that didn't surprise you? I don't try. Look, I live in LA, but I don't travel in those circles. I've never been to any of those parties where allegedly some of this stuff takes place.

So I'm surprised. I've been surprised that you guys are. I know nothing about this. What will be happening at the parties. Man, I guess Vegas ain't the only place that, you know, what stays in Vegas. I guess what stays in some of these parties, you know, he's had something to say about P. Diddy.

I'm sure. Look, you guys heard it. I mean, by now, almost 11 million people have seen it on Club Shea Shea. I see other people have listed it in clips of it so pretty much by now probably 50 60 million people have heard some portion of it so i'm i'm surprised as is anybody else and i just the only difference is i happen to hear it live i'm the one that's asking the questions so again again, Ocho, when I go down, when I go sit down and talk to a person, have a conversation, look, I know y'all talk about it. He go down when I sit down and have a conversation with a person. What I'm actually trying to do is ask questions that I believe the listeners would ask if they were sitting there.

I believe the listeners would ask if they were sitting there. That's what I try to do. And hopefully in two hours and 46 minutes, I got the cover of a vast range of subjects, topics, and that you're like, okay, yeah, if I could have had an opportunity to ask Cat, I would ask him that

too. Oh, yeah, you know what, man? Man, you'll be on it. You'll be, oh, yeah, I appreciate that. That's what I try to do because at that point in time I take I remove myself and I'm a fan and so I'm asking questions that I believe

my audience would want to know so I always keep that in the back of my mind yeah I have questions I want to know and I'm going to ask but I like to think that CJ and I have come up with topics and questions that our fans would like to know and I'm going to ask, but I like to think that, that CJ and I have come up with topics and questions that our fans would like to know. And so that's, that's kind of the way I approach it. And so, uh, hopefully people, and I look, Oh, Joe, the way I look at it at this point in time, and I ain't even close to what Jesus was and they hated him and they ended up,

they killed him. So, dude, I think that everybody was going to be happy with the interview? No. I don't. And I'm okay with that. Absolutely not.

You can't please everybody. You can't please everybody. And so for me, Ocho, I think, I think because so many people are happy and pleased with it, the ones that's not, I don't know. Well, you reach out to him and see if he can come there on your podcast and you ask him all the questions that you want to ask.

Let me see how that work out for you. It ain't going to happen. Ricardo Hernandez says, have you guys ever thought about joining the WWE? Uh, feel like, uh, crazy,

uh, cut crazy promo. Don't know about Ocho. Now look, I, I wanted to be a wrestler growing up. Cause like I said, it was wrestling originated in the South.

And so it was very, very, when I was a kid and coming up in the seventies, wrestling was huge, but wrestling was mainly regional. coming up in the 70s wrestling was huge yeah but wrestling was mainly regional like i said you had georgia championship wrestling you had florida championship wrestling you had mid-atlantic midway so you know and you you know you had the pockets and my grandfather was a big wrestling fan mike you couldn't tell my my grandfather put people out of house because they told my barney you know that's fake. And my grandfather said, get the hell up out of my house.

Right, right, right, right. We was going to Savannah. We would go to Vidalia. We would go to Baxley, Georgia. These little small towns, they would even come to Glenville. And we would see wrestlers that we saw on television. Gordon Sully was the host. He's the great.

Look, there have been a lot of great hosts. But it starts and stops with Gordon Sully was the host. He's the great look. There have been a lot of a lot of great hosts, but it starts and stops with Gordon Sully. And so I saw Pac Song, Mr. Wrestling number two, Mr. Wrestling number one. I saw all those guys. Junkyard Dog, Bobo Brazil, Andre the Giant. You know about Junkyard Dog, man.

Dusty Rose, The American Dream. Dusty Rose. What you know about Jimmy Superfly Snooker? See, he came later. Crusher Blackwell. See, if you really know wrestling, you know about Crusher Blackwell. And I know about Black Jack Mulligan and Baron Baraski. All those guys.

Abdullah the Butcher. I go way, way back with wrestling. Look, and Ric Flair came after that, but I think he said he got a couple years in Georgia Championship Wrestling. I don't remember now with that interview, but this was before, before Hulk Hogan,

before all those guys that we're talking, and then it translated, and you had Ric Flair and Greg Valentine with his partner, and they had Tully Blanchard, and they had Gene and Arn Anderson, you know, the four horsemen, them guys uh black jack mulligan baron bond raski uh brute bernard ox baker oh joe i go back the fabulous free birds yeah i go way way back with all them when they had tony atlas and uh uh the rocks dad yeah that's still

bad so people talk about listen oh so i tell people like this here this is and here's the thing i don't know everything i know a little bit about everything but what i do know i know a hell of a lot about a hell of a lot. Right. So all that, all that other stuff that they'd be talking. Yeah, bro. When it comes to wrestling,

you talk about NASCAR. Yeah. I go back to wall, Daryl Waltrip, Harry Gant, all the meal bonnet. Yes. Yeah. Bill Elliot.

Awesome. Bill from Dawsonville. Yes. I go way back with them. The silver Fox, David Pearson, the, uh, the Allison boys, Bobby and Donville. Yes, I go way back with them. The Silver Fox, David Pearson, the Allison boys, Bobby and Donnie, yes.

Okay, I see you. Absolutely. When Richard Petty won, when I think, who was that crash? Was that Cale Yarborough and Walker? Who was that crash? And Richard Petty won. They would let each other on the last lap. I think that might have

been 79 last lap yeah bro so all this you know yeah i know jeff gordon i've met jeff gordon i've met uh uh jimmy johnson but i'm talking about i go way back when when uh the woods brothers was was the team and the johnson but yes i go way back like that, yes. Everybody know Richard Petty, but that's easy. But I know about the Skull Bandit and the Tide car. And when Dale Earnhardt drove the Wrangler car. Yeah, that Monte Carlo Wrangler. Yes, I go back like that. Go back.

So stop playing with me. So when y'all talk about sport, oh, you don't know? Bull jive. So if you know I know NASCAR, like I said, we used to watch the Daytona 500, me, my brother, and sister, every year that it came on. So when y'all talk about sports, ain't nobody seeing me. With my knowledge on sports, I'm talking about football. Somebody might know more football than me. Somebody might know more basketball than me.

But I'm going to put you to the test. We're going to talk about bull riding. We're going to talk about NASCAR. We're going to talk about wrestling. We're going to talk about you to the test. We're going to talk about bull riding. We're going to talk about NASCAR. We'll talk about wrestling. We'll talk about the tour de France. We'll talk about whatever. We talk about tennis, men and women,

whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Come see me. Come see me. I like it. I like it. So maybe I'm hungry.

She said, you want this on the plate oh man my bad my bad old show i'm sorry come on my bad i'm just man hold up the other hey all that old show uh uh how did him blacks come about on undisputed also where you got where you guys do a show in person we're gonna do a show in person. We're going to do a show in Vegas. That's going to be the live show that we do. Hold on. So we greenlit for Vegas already? That's happening. That's happening. How did the Broncos

this is how it happened. The Broncos beat the Cowboys. Skip loves the Cowboys. Obviously, I play for the Broncos. I love the Broncos. And I wanted to celebrate. But I forgot that I wanted to celebrate. So, I didn't

get an opportunity to go to a cigar to get victory cigars. So, I got to be to work at 4 o'clock in the morning. So, the only thing that's open is a convenience store that's open 24 hours. So stopped in like damn i grabbed some black and miles and some swishes miles yeah i had a ball so that i'm i'm gonna celebrate right joy says this seems to this uh this little bit our brand for you and that's what i said hey let me

celebrate why y'all trying to steal my joy my thunder right y'all get y'all my y'all mad because i'll be on these miles and yet would i be celebrating and ocho i had no idea right hand to god i had no idea it was gonna take take off like that. And from that moment on, everybody started referring to me as, Oh yeah. And so people, I don't really do. I ever,

I mean, especially from somebody in our community, rarely do I hear somebody call me my name. They call me Shay or they call me. Oh yeah. That's it. I was at an event the other night and I

saw LeBron and his wife Savannah. Guess what Savannah called me? Hey Unk. I'm like, I'm letting my head Did she really just call me that? She did call but everybody. That she really just call me that? But everybody that's what they call me.

So I guess I'm up now. Gator C says, yo, I like how you two have thrived and succeeded from toxic situations undisputed. And I am athlete. Y'all to go true role models. Look, I don't know. I don't want

to speak to Ocho's situation. He can speak to that. But even in any relationship, Ocho, I was in a relationship for 10 years, a relationship for seven years, and any time you're in a relationship and you split,

it's never instantaneous. It's never like, and you split is never instantaneous. It's never like, okay, we got, we, we together for seven years and just one day, boom, there've been little things that led up to it maybe for a month,

two months, six months. So with that being said, bro, I can't let six years, six and a half years be ruined by a couple of bad, bad episodes or a couple of bad months. It happened.

Yeah. They gave me an opportunity. I got an opportunity to build a platform with Club Shea Shea. People got an opportunity to see me that, man, I think he could do other things. I did inside the NFL, not inside the NFL. I did a NFL network with not inside the NFL. I did NFL Network with Prime and LT. So people got to see me outside. So that was really the first time I could kind of open up

because when Time said, hey, bro, I need you, he said, but I need you to be you. He said, I need you to be like how me and you are. I was like, Time, you sure? He's like, yeah, hey, I got it. So now that gave me an opportunity to open up a little bit. Now, I could always be,

I mean, the one thing about Fox, they never tried to censor me. They just let me go with it. Skip is not the biggest thing, the biggest person on props. He said, because then, you know, people think, look at you as a gadget. But I knew when to put it out

and the goat mask and calling LeBron Go goat james i was the first person to call him goat james i'm the first person nobody else ever called him that yeah and yeah so it just it just kind of took off on its own it gave me an opportunity it landed me here god don't make no mistakes at all never has never because if you say it was a mistake for for fox for me and fox to split ways you're saying god made a mistake you don't make no mistakes perfect so and it led me to here i'm bigger uh more people see me respect me give me and and give me love i mean when it happened i have so many athletes and entertainers like man it's not gonna be the

same without you but we follow you wherever you go that that made me feel that made me feel good i heard a lot and a lot of these people in the chat said the same thing um i speak uh uh and it was it was it was great it's been great it's been great um you doing a nightcap with you um the once a week with gil man it's been great it's given me an opportunity i mean i can't complain i can't complain i wouldn't i wouldn't change a thing ocho like i, I'll let you speak on the, the, the I am athlete and whatever happened with that situation where you can expand or you don't, but I'm glad you and I are together. Listen, I'm, I, I love what I'm doing here. Um, the,

the space with I am athlete was phenomenal. I really, I really loved it. I, I thank Brandon Marshall obviously for giving me the opportunity. Um, obviously, you know, it was me, Brandon, Fred, Shannon Crowder. And, um, there, there were some things that went on behind closed doors that I had no idea about. And, um, I, I w I was hoping that they could find a way to make amends that they could handle it like men and meet together and come together. And I just let them know, um, whenever we do find a solution to whatever the problem may be,

or whatever the problem was at hand during that time, just let y'all know I'm ready to rock. We all are just, let me know what time to be there and make sure there's a camera and I'm going to show up. Obviously things didn't pan out the way I thought they were going to go after they, after everyone, you know, came together and met up. No, my fault. What? Yeah, you know, it wasn't my fault, but, uh, things didn't pan out. Listen, I love all them boys. I love Brandon. I love, I love Fred. I love Shannon. Uh, they separated.

Everybody went their own way. And what I wasn't going to do with, I wasn't going to pick sides. I wasn't going to pick sides. So I fell back completely away from the space of doing anything, having to do a podcast with, with Brandon and have anything to do podcast with, with Fred and Shannon were doing with Ryan Clark on the pivot. Uh, it got to the point where I was so frustrated and how I was, how I was with you, I was doing the same thing as far as I was saying, you need to get Kat and the rest of those fellas in the same room. I was throwing out hints and taking shots on Twitter and Instagram. Talk about, man, how dope would it be to have a podcast call a couple of athletes trying to pivot, just throwing a hit out there, trying to get them to come together. And again, we are more powerful as one as opposed to split apart.

And, you know, things just didn't, it didn't pan out that way. Uh, obviously the pivot is doing their thing. Brandon Marshall is doing his thing right now, I believe with, with, with Cam, with Cam Newton. And I wish all them boys the best, man. I love them to death. Again, I miss those times though. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going those times, though. I'm not going to say it in front. I'm not going to say it in front. I miss those times. I miss the chemistry. I miss just the camaraderie, just having the athlete in that athlete space.

You know, it's different. You know, you and I are great. You and I are really great. But something about being with those dudes that you played against. And I don't know, man. It's tough. I'm not going to cry. I'm getting a little more getting emotional. I don't know who brought that shit up, but God damn it. But, uh, it was, it was dope, but everybody doing their thing right now, man. But what we have right now is, is phenomenal. It's great. And again, thank you for the opportunity.

And you, this is, actually being on Nightcap, this is my 35th job. This is my 35th job, so that's pretty dope. I guess you part Jamaican, but I ain't really seen no bald-haired Jamaican, so... Most of it. I got alopecia.

What you call it? Yeah got a face there welcome back hey shannon i noticed you you provide a lot of psychological safety for your guests on club shea shea you should be proud of that you're officially shannon walters that laporte is true serum i've researched yeah somebody called me uh brother walters you and the name rest of us, so Barbara Walters. Look, the way I look at Ocho, if they wanted a 60 minutes or a dateline or a 48 hours interview, they would have went there. They didn't have to come to me. Magic Johnson is big enough

to go to any platform. Steve Harvey is big enough to go on any platform. But you know they won't. Because that's not and that's not what i am right also why would somebody go why would somebody go to victoria's secret expecting to get galoshes that's not what they did that's not what they sell you know what you get when you come to club shea shea just like you know what you get when you come to club shea shea just like you know what you get when you come

to nightcap you know you're gonna get some football on on saturdays sundays mondays and thursdays but you're gonna get a lot of storytelling yeah wow good stories we don't dwell heavy in the pot as a matter of fact i don't think dwell heavy in the pot. As a matter of fact, I don't think we talk to any politics. So that's not what we are. Nah, we don't. I mean, we tell financials,

but we're not going to give you the Dow or the NASDAQ. That's not what we're going to do. So just understand when you come, when you listen to me on club, Shay, Shay, or you listen to us on nightcap by now uh club shea shea

has been in existence since september 2020 by now you should know the type of show that it is we've been in existence for a little almost three for about three months oh joe october uh october 8th was the first time we got the channel we launched our own channel so

january the 8th will be three months we got the channel. We launched our own channel. So January 8th will be three months. You should know when you come to Nightcap with Uncann Ocho exactly what you're gonna get. And if you're not getting that, okay, you've gotten three months of research

and data to say this is what you're gonna get. Yeah. And it's only going to get better. Only going to get better. Jay speaks. Jay speaks. The poet said 84 and 85. What do you think about

Taraji's situation? How she feels about her page? Taraji Henson recently went viral for emotional, honest comments about the toll that being constantly disrespected as a Black actress has taken on her. She also broke down in tears as she revealed that many costs that come with being a big, high-profile actress and unequal salaries of Black actresses make everything more difficult. I'm just tired of working so hard, being gracious

at what I do, and getting paid a fraction of the cost. I'm tired of hearing my sister say the same thing over and over. You get tired. I hear people say, you work a lot. I have to. The math ain't mathing. And when you start working a lot, you have a team, big bills come. They do. They do. Because here's the thing, Ocho.

Let's just say I make $20 million a year. I live in California, split it in half, 10. The agency that I have, they take 20%. So now, from $20 million, I'm all the way down,

I'm all the way down with the agency fees, I'm all the way down to $9 million. Shit. So $20 million to $9 million, and I ain't even got a check yet. Yeah. See, that's where I come into play. That's where you need me

as your financial advisor. The only thing you can help me if you tell me, say, Shannon, move to Las Vegas, move to Texas, move to Florida, move to Nashville, or move to where they don't have

no state taxes. And that's exactly what I was getting ready to hit you with. And then also, your agent, that taking 20%, we're going to find you somebody else. No, but see...

Because 20%, that's highway robbery. But... I'm going to make sure you have as much as that 20 goddamn million as you can get. I understand that's the cost. I mean, you have a shed.

Yeah. You have, you know, you have overhead. But I live, I live within my means. Personal necessities. Personal wants. You got assistance.

But again, that goes back, that goes back. So think about Taraji's situation. What she's saying. And then now, now revert back to what we talked about earlier. Turning down roles. Huh?

Yeah. Okay. Turning, turning down roles when the opportunities aren't presenting themselves. And you're not as getting as many as you think for us. Yeah. And so that, that's, that's, that's what I was talking about. Um, that's a tough, that's a tough was talking about um that's a tough that's a tough spot viola davis one of hollywood's most accomplished actresses she won the egot which

is the emmy yeah grammy oscar tony made headlines with a complaint in 2018 that an actress of color earned maybe a tenth of what i i mean look when you look at what she's done, ain't very many people got the EGOT. Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony. She don't make what Meryl Streep makes. She ain't make it with Charlize Theron. She ain't make it with Julia Roberts. She not. Right.

She's just as accomplished. Yeah. But more accomplished. But when you look at it, but when you look at it, what are you going to do? You want the role or not? Yeah. It puts everybody in a tough spot.

Very tough spot. Because you are an independent contractor. They say, okay, here's a role for you. Right. We'll pay you $7 million. But you're paying Meryl Streep $14 million. We'll pay you $7 million. But you pay a Meryl Streep 14 million. You pay another 16 million. We'll pay $7 million for the role.

Take it or leave it. Right. Right. That's, that's, that's tough though. That, that,

that, that's tough. That's, that's tough. That's, that's a, that's a tough spot because i mean and and um comparison you know is the is the thief of joy yeah comparison is the thief of joy especially

when it comes to that's oh man that's that's tough i'm i'm i'm gonna leave that i get it because i see because when i the way I look at Ocho I was like man I make good money yeah but I want to make more what I need to do okay cream on yeah come on with nightcap

yeah I partner with I partner with the volume okay club shea shea yeah Stephen A says hey bro i got a land on your feet over here just do more yes i understand yes i have to work hard but i want a standard and i want my kids and i want my grandkids when it's all said and done i want them to be able to start ahead. So hopefully they work

hard and can play it forward and we can start something here. But it's not easy. But I wouldn't change it because yes, I have overhead. I have an assistant. I have other people that do things for me. It is what it is, Ocho. It is what it is. It it is what it is i mean it takes it takes money

to make money and all the people like i don't have time to do all the stuff that my sister does that she handles you know making sure the car is serviced making sure this is handled making sure all the repairs are taken care of nah bro nah bro i got a i got people to handle everything you focus on this every month you get a cut up okay this is what was made this is what was saved this is what was spent this is what goes to taxes so when uncle sam want his money up every quarter go and send it to him I like that I like how you got

we got a little system over here too I like the way your system works hell yeah you know see when the money come in

when you pay me it don't even come to me first it go to her cause she handle the finances so as the breadwinner better with the math I'm good with math too because she handled the finances. So, as the breadwinner,

better with the math, I'm good with math too. So, she handled the finances because my discipline has went over and been instilled in her. So, I'm trusting her to be able to handle that. So, when she make the money,

she give me what she think I need each month. That's where we at. Right. So, I got to get you. I know where we at. Right. So I got, I got, I got to get you. I,

I know I'm not supposed to be bringing this up, but I'm not, I'm not sure if you've seen anybody, but I had somebody that wanted to talk to you. So I'm not sure how to go about it. You got the money. Yeah. Uh,

her last name, Ryan was strawberry. I'm looking to kick my feet up. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. to kick my feet up. Yeah. Yeah. Come on in. You know, come on in. You know, come on in.

You know, she come in from a hard day work. Give her a mean one. We eat, eat dinner. Watch a little TV. Hey, you ever give a mean one? Yeah. You ever saw the movie? You ever saw the movie?

Monster's Ball. Yeah. Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton Yeah Yeah, how do you yeah, how they buried? Yeah, you ain't ready for your boy Ocho let me know that be in there like Section 8. You know what I'm saying, don't you? You better stop playing with O'Shea now. Man, you know how I am. Man, you ain't ready for me.

You're going to be in there like what? Section 8. Deep up up in there. Hey, boy Boy that was Boy Boy you Boy that was a good one But hey

I didn't put the word in For you already Yes baby Hold on Oh my goodness Here say hi to Say hi Say hi

Hi Why you Why you still up How you still up This time of night Say I don't got school tomorrow. Yeah. Say, I love you.

Love you too, baby. Call a friend, donate it. He said, thanks for giving Cat a platform. You, I, or anyone else might not like what was said, but much like McAfee with Aaron, you provide a platform. I respect him. I respect it from him and you love you as well. Ocho, you're my

favorite wide receiver of that generation. Yeah. Yeah. Andy Rick is donated. You're bigger than ESPN and YouTube success is independent. No, what would keep you on TV as the genre is declining? Well, I got you, too. I mean, I got I mean, we got we got this and we're obviously obviously we're trying to create more opportunities.

Not just for me. I only got there's only one me. I can only do this. I'm actually I'm maxed out do this. I'm maxed out. I'm maxed out. I'm like a credit card. They got a $10,000 limit, and I'm already $4,000 over. So I'm maxed out, Ocho. I ain't got no more to add. But I like ESPN.

I like working with Stephen A. I like McAfee. I like RFC. I like the guys. I mean. I'm trying to land on my feet, too. When you go, bring your boy over there, man. You ain't no cat. What's happening? You ain't no cat.

I'm a cat. I got nine lives. Mm-mm. Upgrade King donated nightcap party bus from Los Angeles to Vegas. Sure, the upcoming live show would be amazing. Sending love to Nightcraft. That would be dope.

That would be dope. I can't do no bus. How far is Vegas? Three hours? On a bus, it's probably going to be four. A lot of people on there, you get some cigars, some La Porte. It all depends on what's over there. I mean, a lot of people on there, you get some cigars, some La Portilla. It all depends on what's on there.

You know what I'm saying? Holly Berry. Holly Berry. Man, must be moving like it ain't got no shocks on it. Jamal Z donated up. Keep doing what you're doing. Love the show. I look up to you like my uncles.

I love brushing my teeth five times more now because of you. I appreciate that, Jamal. I mean, bro, ain't nothing wrong with that. Ain't nothing wrong with having good personal hygiene. What you done broke the mic, Ocho? God damn motherfucker keep on moving, man. Okay, I got it. I had to tighten it up to screw.

Yeah. Yolanda, see, darn it, the cognac is out of stock. You know what, Yolanda, but we're going to get it right back in stock. We have, I think, a shipment that just is going to touch down. It either touch down late this afternoon or tomorrow. And so hopefully by Monday, we'll have it back in stock for you. But thank you, Yolanda C., for your patience. And thank you for your support.

C.E. Uginobi. I think that's your name. I'm hoping it's your name. Hey, how do I get Shay Laporte on the wait list? I filled out the form, but no one hit me back. You know what? Send your information and we'll get it out and we'll make sure you're on the wait list.

And so when it comes back in stock, you'll be the first person you hood up. Okay. Don't tell me no please make sure what do we got subscribe did we gain any what please make sure you hit that like button

make sure you hit that subscribe button we started at 619. We're now at 625,000 subscribers. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We didn't pin the Chez Balaportier at the top of the chat because we sold out. We pinned Ocho Cigar at the top, and you sold out.

So, Doug got- I appreciate y'all. I appreciate y'all. I appreciate y'all buying my cigars, man. Listen, I'm behind on child support. I'm definitely going to catch up now, man. You're talking about having a kid. I done got up off that bill. I done got out of that bill and now you're trying to get me back in there.

Listen, I'm just being facetious. I'm not on child support, but you do need to have a child though. I ain't on one either. I ain't trying to get on one. Dude, trust me. You know, I'm just...

You did? You know, I'm just going... You know, I'm just going to practice. I don't even want to play in the game. Nah. No, don't do that. I don't want to practice. Listen.

Don't... No, you had enough practice. You retired now. I know. That's all I want to do. That's all I want to do. You know what I'm saying? Nah.

You know, I'd like... I need you Nah. I need you to fulfill your purpose. Eddie, I did. You're not done. You're not done. I'm sure Jordan go out there and shoot a couple of shots. You see Gilbert out there. He was shooting threes. He just practiced.

He ain't going back out there. I just practiced, no joke. Listen, I can see you at Disney World, man, right now, pushing that stroller, man. That'll be, I'm telling you, man. That sounds telling you, man, that to bring everything full circle for you. I'm all right. I don't like no circles. I like squares. Thank you. Thanks for subscribing to the podcast feed. You can also get it through the club. But Nightcap does has its own podcast feed. But Club but Club Che Che and you guys have been going to both. Thank you. Thanks for selling

out Ocho Cinco Cigar. Again, we're going to have the link up and operational again on Monday to make sure. So we want to thank you. Both of us want to thank you from the bottom of our heart for being so supportive, not only with Club Che Che for me, but

Nightcap and Che by laporte and uh and 85 cigars you know y'all had so much to say the other day what y'all think about these how about them oh them or i see the oh that's the organ that's organ i know that what y'all think about these y'all cool with these what are these y'all think about these? Y'all cool with these? What are these? Y'all keep on talking about Unc must be a... Hold on. Let me get this off. Them Jordans.

Y'all must be... From Oregon. What they said the other night, Ocho, is that Unc must be running out of tea. I mean, running out of heat. Child will run out of tea before Unc run out of heat. Okay.

Run tell that. Talk your talk. Child will run out of tea before Unc run out of heat now run tell that now y'all better start playing with me I keep telling y'all I'm a big old cat and y'all playing with me like a kid

okay don't let that purring fool you don't let it fool you now now this is what I'm going to do next week once I get back for the next for the next week

it's gonna be all dunks so I'm gonna give Jordan a break for a minute it's gonna be all dunks and then after that we're gonna flip it up we're gonna do the air maxes

ones 95s and 97s hold on I ain't do my shoe hold on man don't you man don't you do the Moses 2000s 91s, 95s, and 97s. Hold on. I ain't do my shoe. Hold on. Man, don't you do the Moses 2000s? Oh, my goodness.

What, you don't like these? I have New Balance. I like New Balance. I like New Balance. I wear it. Listen, I done pulled up a shoe. I ain't even wear the shoe yet. It's brand new. Hey, I like New Balance and Asics.

New Balance, Asics, and Air Force 1. And Jordan 1. That's all I got. Yeah. I got some Air Force 1s. So I think we're going to go Dunks, Air Maxes. Then we'll do Air Force 1s. And then we'll possibly come back to the Jays.

All right. All right. You got your the Jays. Alright, alright, alright. You got you a nice little collection. For sure. For sure. Again, thank you for hitting the like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Tell your friends. Guys, we're doing unbelievable. We really try to get a new

plaque. We want that million plaque. That gold one. It's a little bit bigger than, it's a little bit bigger. Hey, we get that million plaque. Remember, I'm It's a little bit bigger than, it's a little bit bigger. Hey, we get that million plaque. Remember, I'm just, come here, come here, come here, come here. Stop that crying. Remember, when we hit a million, I'm taking my first drink ever. Yeah, we got it.

I'm taking my first drink ever. What'd it taste? Strong? It's good. Smooth. You taste those marshmallows, that caramel, that hint of caramel. Yeah, man. Listen, I ain't tripping. I'm going to do it.

I don't care. But we hit that million. I'm drinking. We're going to hit a million. We're going to hit a million. We're going to hit it. Oh, yeah. We're coming.

I know we're going to hit it. It's just about when we hit it. Ideally, and the way we've been tracking Ocho probably mid March seems to be seems to be realistic. OK. OK. Now, if we track like we tracked last month, we go hit it in February. Right. I have I have a good feeling at the rate we're going with the topics, the consistency, with the stories, we probably will hit it in February. I just feel it. When we do what we do over there in

Vegas. Oh yeah, we going crazy. That's going to seal the deal. We going crazy. Mind you, mind you, I told you first. What we doing in Vegas is going to seal the deal. Watch. Oh, we coming. We coming. Oh yeah. So thank you for joining us, guys. We really appreciate it. Make sure you hit that like

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