Club Shay Shay - Offset

Episode Date: March 27, 2024

Offset comes to Club Shay Shay to chop it up with Shannon Sharpe ahead of his solo tour, promising a spectacle like Usher’s Las Vegas residency, filled with showmanship honed from his days as a backup dancer for Whitney Houston and TLC. Reflecting on his early exposure to the entertainment world, Offset shares how Michael Jackson's influence shaped his artistry, particularly in visuals and music videos, recalling fond memories of family bonding over MJ's iconic hits on MTV. With humor and humility, Offset ranks the Migos in Atlanta and all of hip-hop history, discusses honoring Takeoff at the BET Awards with Quavo and how Pharrell Williams was instrumental in orchestrating the performance, and dishes out anecdotes showcasing the lighter side of his Takeoff’s personality. Shannon makes Offset pick between Nike Air Force 1s and Air Jordan 1s; an incredibly difficult choice for a sneakerhead like Offset. From fashion choices to investment strategies, Offset delves into his philosophy on luxury brands and the lessons learned navigating the music industry, including the impact of streaming and TikTok on hip-hop. Playful banter ensues as Offset calls Shannon an “old head” for not going to hip-hop concerts and wearing skinny jeans. Offset reveals the creative process behind his adlibs and how his collaboration with Ric Flair came about, offering insights into the importance of personal connections to the development of an artist. Lastly Offset talks about his ongoing evolution as an artist, making for a fitting end to a conversation that spans music, fashion, pop culture and everything in between. #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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He's been a part of 40 gold and platinum-certified records, a style icon, and a trendsetter. A successful entrepreneur, an investor, actor, entertainer, musician, one of the culture's biggest titans. He's globally known and a fan favorite and his father what's happening how was that intro bro did i do you right i was playing i like that you rolled the carpet out for me okay i did that check this out man you know you're here thanks for coming to the club i got my own cognac and the start of your little tour your tour big tour and new album new album set it off yes sir damn you took it to the head like that oh it's smooth i gotta go and get it

down now all right i thought we were gonna sip throughout the throughout throughout this we're gonna sit how are we gonna see if you're not talking to the firm you gotta go and take to the head real quick just get it in your body okay let me go and get you another one you know god lee i mean i ain't never had nobody do it like that. Yeah, they ain't going to do it like me. They ain't going to do it like me. Okay, check this out.

This is what I want to get to. Thanks for stopping by the club. You're set to start your first headline tour solo. Yes, sir. What's the excitement? What's going through your mind? Because normally you're with the Migos, but now you're going to do your own thing. It's different, for sure.

Everything, I'm super hands-on with everything. I'm preparing every single day. We're rehearsing eight-hour rehearsals. I'm locked in. I'm really focused on production. I just want to make sure the production, that's my main thing. I like to make sure my lights is on time, my smoke is on on time my team we on the same page with how the performance goes because that's what put all my heart into so you say the production so obviously you're a rapper and

normally we don't really think of like production with with rap now but that's r&b we see usher and and and chris brown they're singing they're. But I saw a little footage of you. You're going to be doing a lot of that also. Yeah, I got some moves. No, but I try not to be like everybody else. I stay to the greatest. You know, James, Michael, I stay to the greatest and I just feel like showmanship is missing in rap

right now. So I'm just trying to up the level so we can get back to it and get back to putting the show on for the people instead of just, you know, having all the good songs be hard, but, you know, when you ain't really, it ain't no elements of your show, it's just kind of get repetitive, and I feel like I'm trying to step out of the box.

You got your start as a backup dancer, TLC, Whitney Houston, Bobby Brown, in the music videos. How did that come about? Did you audition? Did you know somebody that were a part of the production with these people? Nah, my mama was driving me in the car one day um in college park and it was like a sign and she pulled me in and then when when it was time to go go i just went in i was like eight

years old did my thing and then they i stood out and they just asked like who was this kid and then we was just like we just pulled up and I ended up making my mama $300, man, each visit. What? We needed that money too back then. For real. It felt good just being, I ain't, I ain't, she got me whatever I want, but I just know like, at the end of the day. That $300 help.

That $300 help. Right. So what's your fondest memories of that? Because obviously you know who they are. You know, TLC, that was a local group. Whitney houston was as big as the biggest as big as you got so what was going through your mind you're an eight-year-old kid your mom just stopped by like hey we're gonna go in here do your thing did she know you could dance yeah you know it's a little family thing the whole family knew i just was a little little dance motherfucker when i was little right you know i mean um the most memorable thing i remember is just staring at Whitney Houston and couldn't believe that was right there

Then Bobby Brown came out and he was cool and like making us laugh Mike Epps was there right and um, he was funny He was funny and then um It was like it was like a pimp walk that we had to do a part of the scene right and I won and then Bobby Brown gave me $100. I remember that. That was hard. Do you keep the $100, or you spent it? Oh, that was gone.

Oh, that wasn't spent. We spent that. No, but it was just the experience of just being able to see how a video set was ran during that time, and how serious she took her craft when she used to play, like, with the camera angles and everything. She was detailed on every dimension of the music video so she was hands-on is that why you're so hands-on because you say i'm handling every when the smoke's supposed to go the smokes go when this supposed to go the camera's supposed to be here it's supposed to be there is that why you learned

to be hands-on yes like looking at the grades because i feel like back then they didn't have the same opportunities we had right I'm saying so all that counted for and then just be taking take like it's art at the end of the day so I take it seriously and I just want to I always want to make it perfect you know you're a big fan of Michael Jackson what was it about the king of pop that made you gravitate towards him his work ethic first and foremost and like um his determination to be better than what he was. Because you know, he was, and I just felt like it was a relevant situation, you know what I'm

saying, dealing with family in the group and just starting to go on your own and to grow as an artist. And then he, I just always know in the history of him, he always challenged himself to be better and bigger and stronger. And just taking the art to another level where most people be scared like that's like the production of my shows like i feel like a lot of artists or rappers ain't gonna

really do that because they might not think it's the coolest thing to do but i'm trying to take it to the next level so you're willing to take risk yeah in your music career at this stage of your career would you have been willing to take these risks earlier in your career had you not been established like you are now would you been willing to take those type of risks um i don't think so because i had not dove so far into myself yet and believed in myself when i first came into it it was just like i'm living a dream kind of and i ain't really i took it serious but i start as i as i got older and went through the game i started paying more attention to details and learning the art of things to that what made me stand out

you reacted thriller in the smooth criminal in one of your music videos did you i mean did you understand that like the the craftsmanship michael videos uh smooth criminal um the one, what's the one he did with Janet, his sister, that was way, way ahead of his time. Is that what made you like, man, you know what, I really want, I kind of, I like him, I'm a different, you know, I'm different, he's pop, you're like rap. Is that what made you like really get into the music? Um. Or did you always know you wanted to do music? I always wanted to do music. It was like, and then I'm from Atlanta,

so you know like Gucci, and it was a big motivation to that too, to keep reeling. But as far as performance and entertainment, yes, looking at him and like shooting my own videos, because I directed all those videos, you're saying? Right. To dive into that and the film part aspect of it to

put the film mixed with the music i wanted to i wanted to get into that and i looked at him as as that because if you the same thing you're saying like thriller back in the time like the money he even spent to make the video that wasn't a normal thing no and then i don't even think they were showing black artists on mtv yet like that so for him to change the game and then they open the doors for everybody that's all i'm trying to do for this generation they showed him but it was like at midnight one o'clock in the morning when everybody was going to bed that's when you had to watch him so if you didn't stay up till then it was over you wouldn't get no pride time watching so i'm you got a michael jackson tattoo so bro i mean michael was that look i'm gonna have have to remember Mike when he was with the Jackson 5 and just watch him transition to do Off the Wall, his own thing.

And then here comes Thriller and then Bad and so forth and so on. So, was your family, did your mom listen to Michael Jackson? Who listened to Michael Jackson that you're like, man, this dude has got it. My mom and I, when I was like four years old, actually my uncle, my uncle, Darryl, my uncle Vaughn, they had like, it was around Halloween, and they put me in the room all dark. I was like four years old. So I got put on the mic when I was four years old. OK.

And they was playing Thriller. And when I came in, I was trying to do what he was doing. It didn't scare me. And then ever since then, like my mom and my grandma, they always play his music around. Right. And then I remember when I was probably like 10 or 9 i got the moonwalker i got no i got the american dream on the vc uh vhs and i used to have back then i got a picture that

i posted before it's like i had a little tv maybe like 10 10 inch 12 inch and it was sitting on like three books right and that movie was playing on the back of it so yeah because you react didn't you re reenact one of his movies? I think it was Thriller Smooth Criminal. It was Smooth Criminal, yeah. And they actually, I can say this. They actually greenlighted and brought me the actual clothes that he wore for Smooth Criminal, the family. Really?

Yeah. Because I wanted to connect with them, too, because I wanted to pay respects, too. I didn't want to seem like I was just mimicking because I was just inspired by it. And so I did reach out to to the family i don't want to name them stuff because i know they're very private i respect that but yeah i'm tired that's that's what's up i'm looking at you and you're making the transition and we saw a lot of the greats we see michael within a group jackson 5 transition away we see justin timberlake and, transition away. We see Justin Timberlake, NSYNC, transition away. We see Bobby Brown, so forth and so on.

Is that the direction that Offset's headed in? I'm just trying to be the better me. You know what I mean? I'm just trying to be the best me and get to the highest level I can get to. And I started, you know, I started, I was growing up, and I wanted to get my business in order and to understand the business so I wouldn't be tricked or nothing. Like, I'd be lost in the sauce on what's really going on.

And, like, I just dove into me. So, did you talk to any of these? I mean, obviously, Beyonce probably, you know, she started, was in the group Destiny's Child. Now she's solo, so is Kelly Rowland. Have you talked to any of these people that started in a group and branched out and kind of do their own go solo now have you talked to anybody or you just like hey this is what I want this is my career I think I know the direction that I want to head in and this is what I'm going to do no I never talked to nobody that

might be a good idea though I ain't never talked to nobody about it though though it just was a decision within myself right you know I'm saying and you felt that this was the, at this time. At this time, yeah. It was the best thing for. Yeah, I'm just building my foundation. I'm playing my seed. So, what's your take? I mean, obviously Atlanta, and there are a lot of great groups.

You know, you got Goody Mob, you got Outkast, you know, the Migos. You got a lot of, where would you rank your group? Even if you want to do just Atlanta groups or you want to do NW, you want to do NWA, whatever the case may be. If I do just Atlanta, I give us two because I'm respectful. You got to respect our cast. Yeah. You know what I mean? They kicked the door down for us down south.

You know what I mean? When it was a time where we weren't even accepted. Then if you look at Dre, the way he was able to change his whole fashion sense and change his whole look and still be cool with the same people in the hood that he grew up with in Atlanta, that mean a lot to me. Cause you got OutKast, Wu-Tang, NWA, Run DMC. When we go all the way, I'm still gonna stay at two cause I'm gonna put OutKast first, I'm gonna put us two,

I'm gonna put Wu-T i'm gonna put us two i'll put wu-tang rap groups locks i'll get them for a lot man what you you you you put nwa way down there i respect nwa and and they kick the gates off they kick the gate they kick the gates off and like everybody in everybody in that situation still got some type of emotion right now that's still here. Right. And, but, I'm young too. Right. You know what I mean? So.

You really don't remember a whole lot about NWA. I don't remember a whole lot about NWA. Definitely don't remember Run DMC. Nah, for sure though. For sure though. That's my arrow. But I do pay respects. Right.

I ain't know, I ain't know like no young head that's like not knowing what's my arrow. But I do pay respect. Right. I ain't no young head that's not knowing what's going on. They kicked them doors down for us, even KRS-One. They kicked the doors down for us when they gave us the opportunity to be here where we're at right now. So you got to always pay respect. Man, I'll say it was really good to see you and Quavo perform at the BET Awards in honor of Take Off. What was that moment like for you? That moment was special, man. It gave me the chills.

It gave me like a boost of life. I spoke about it before. Just because like a lot of these people be in the way of stuff and don't really be knowing what's going on with family, you know what I mean? And family go through ups and downs. At the end of the day, when you can get back with your family and stand there and represent the family to the world it's the best feeling in the world it was reported that pharrell convinced you to do it was this something that had you had you and quavo actually spoke about

possibly doing something together and would you collab with him in the future? We had, so to answer the first question, we had spoke about it and then the closer we got to, I was in Paris for Fashion Week and so the time, the time we had to, I had to leave that same night and luckily, God willing, we was able to find a flight that same night to get me up out of there but I just, it wasn't a thing where I didn't want to do it. It was a thing where I was all the way in Paris, and it's all the way in L.A., and I'm like, how am I going to make that work? And it was like the planning of it was a little, we made it happen.

Me and Quavo made that happen. Right. But you guys needed that. We needed that. We needed that for each other, and just for the peace and for the world. Because one thing about it, even though I'm doing my solo thing, I still understand my core base. And I still understand that I'm Amigo. At the end of the day, that's where it comes from.

That's where my roots is. My roots stay. And I never turn my back on it. Is there a chance that you and Quavo and uh quaver could do a project again together it's possible i read where takeoff was really a funny guy fun to be around fun loving is there any funny stories you'd like to share about it um that you can share with us funny stories that i can share with y'all I don't even want to share my little jewels with y'all. Yeah, we was making Bando a long time ago.

We was living on the north side of Mama House. We used to have a, we had, we had took the, you know, the mats from, from high school, from school, the little blue little thick mats. Yeah. We had took that and nailed that to a closet. And when we was making Bando, I wasn't so confident as a rapper yet. You know what you know i mean because you know they was giving me the game and teaching me how to do stuff and then i mean when take came in and he did that he did the he did the he did the amigo flow first the first time i ever we we ever seen it and then he was teaching me and then when he was teaching me i couldn't i

couldn't get it off my tongue and then we just we was just laughing and laughing and it was just like the reason why that's so special is because we had never thought that song was gonna blow up like you know what i'm saying we were just some kids trying to chasing the dream everybody neighborhood not really thinking like what y'all doing right but we really going hard and i just i try to keep all the the the the fun memories to keep me going because it's hard bro you got a tattoo of him on your back yeah um what are your three what's your favorite tattoos obviously the one would take off that that's very meaningful yeah because of the relationship that you shared with him so what are your three favorite tattoos my three favorite tattoos would be

what it gotta be six because I got five kids. Okay. So you got five kids. So the five kids are your favorite. They're my favorite. Okay. So what's the other favorite? My other favorite, my mic tag.

I like that tag. That's my mic tag. My grandmother's name, Sally. You know, we from the country. And the third one would be... I don't know if I should have to say that right. The third one would be... My mom, he is...

My mama. Because I ain't gonna lie. My mom, kids. My mama. Because I ain't going to lie. When I was young, I had got tatted up by like 14, 15. So I'm thinking I'm cool. I didn't have no meaning. Oh, she let that fly?

No, she ain't let it fly. She ain't let it fly. I had sold my Xbox and everything to get tatted. I wanted to be the first one in school with tattoos. And I just was getting dumb tattoos. Like, I got Louis Vuitton. I got LV. Louis Vuitton. I had a Louis Vuitton tattoo before I ever owned a piece of it.

I had, I got, I got Marvin the Martian. He ain't even my favorite cartoon. You just getting tatted for the hell of it. I'm just trying to be cool. I'm coming to school. Look what I just got. Look what I just got. So when your mom found out, so how did you, so obviously you got them in

places that you were. Oh, no, I ain't getting, no, no, no. My first was I got right here. Okay. You know, and then clothes was still a little, the shirts back then was still down. Yeah, okay, you had them extra large tees, huh? The tall tees. You know, the first one I get was my mama and my grandma name. So when she peeped, I thought they were going to be the deal breaker.

Them folk was not going for that. I got slapped right in my mouth by that. I was 15, too. She was tripping. So you get a tattoo. You wanted to be the cool. Obviously, mom and grandma wasn't. And you tried to sneak it past, like, hey, you know what?

I got mama name. I got grandma name. So that thing go fly. They fly they're like boy don't be barking your body up like that now that was that mad about that you a big fashion guy when did you when did you get into fashion have you always been in the fashion i always been into it um you like green bar mall huh no side to camp i was in good that place but you didn't know i was at good that place okay you know i mean when the polos was in right i used to risk. But you didn't go there? Nah, I was in Gwinnett Place. You know what I mean? When the Polo's was in. Right. I used to risk my life for, now don't think about it, I used to risk my life just to be

fresh. I done been chased out the mall, stealing out of Macy's. And I didn't get caught though. But couldn't afford certain stuff. Like when the Levi Way was in a long, long, long time ago, and then I would go up to the mason store and be like, I'll be trying them on. I got two, three of them on. But one day they caught on. And then.

So you take off with them on? I take off with them on. Get up out of there. Get up out of there. Down the escalator. That's what killed them. I went down the escalator the opposite way. And then, you know, another black brother helped me out though

He was working at um, I think it was Honda cuz you know by a mall It's a dealership by and I was just running through but I lied to him. I told him I would get in John I'm like man, I'm getting jump. I need to use your phone and then I call my homeboy to come pick me up But yeah I sure is my life try to get it fine if I ain't we ain't had no money cuz I felt like you know In school you young you being fly the only thing you really got. Right. Unless you like a super athlete in sports.

So, was the flyness just because of you or you was trying to attract the hunnid? I was trying to attract the hunnid. And it was because of me, too, though. I just wanted to be fly, you know what I mean? But I was, though. The hunnids like that? They like the gear that you had on? Yeah, I was having it on.

You don't see, if my senior year, I got on Guccici and i went best dressed so i'm saying in high school oh you want best dress i'm having pattern yeah i'm having pattern by the drip now yeah yeah that ain't just i got the money so so what's your favorite what's your so you going out yeah you i'm not talking about to the oscars or to the grammys you just going out what's the gear I'm gonna throw on a little see I'm mixing it up so I might go a little Rick on you but older Rick though okay and then I'm gonna go Margiela on you cuz I feel like ain't nobody really wearing the Margiela in my league they don't really get it right laying down speak that language um and I like a lot of, and the thing with me with clothes, I like my clothes. The cut is more important than the actual designer who's making it.

You know what I mean? It got to, how I fit my body and how I put it on, it matters. I'm going to go built, but sometimes I might go double built outside the loops. I'm giving these keys now, y'all remember this, because you're going to see it now that I done said it. Right. But yeah, and I'm inspired by Mike too, too so i might go some days i might go blue jeans and when i sit down you can see the white sock on purpose like i got on rick on right now you know right so i'm just i'm gonna just play around with it i'm gonna play around i ain't gonna never

i ain't gonna never go mannequin i feel like a lot of people go mannequin they go i'm gonna go gucci and i'm gonna go gucci gucci gucciaga. And I'm going to wear it all the way down. I really don't do that. I like to switch it up. So you can kind of like, because in the fashion world, people pay attention to what we call pieces. So you want to always have a piece on, which means it's like a rare piece from the brand or something that everybody don't got that they wanted, though. But everybody wanted it. You know what I mean?

Well, if it's not, you say pieces, but if you ain't got the ensemble on how do you make it flow so how do you put balenciaga with lv how do you put you know uh i mean with uh uh gucci so how do you make it because you got to run away from the prince you know i mean like as a fly person i'm i'm trying to stay away from the prince i don't want to i don't want you to really know this is that you got to really know when you walk past me you got to be into fashion. You know what you got on? He got he got J.W. Anderson T-shirt on. OK, you know what I'm saying?

Because the out loud to me, this country, like I ain't gonna never wear like the Gucci G print or the Louis V Jeep all the way printed up top and bottom. But you will wear a piece. OK, it might be a Louis jacket or shirt or something. Yeah, but you're not going to have the Louis pants or the Gucci pants to match that. Oh, man, that's mannequin. OK, okay okay we can't be in there looking like the little statue but so if you were to put a piece together you know like okay you got some jeans on yeah and you got the Balenciaga uh the hoodie so that's what would you what would you classify as this this is a cash look this casual man you know this is a casual look? This is casual, man. You know, this is casual, but it's still stepping because the brand is what it is.

I got a chrome. I got a Balenciaga. And the way it fits me in particular, it looks better than if it fit somebody else. But you're into watches, too. Yeah. I mean, that seems to be. I've noticed a lot of guys. I mean, Khaled, Drake, obviously LeBron, Hove,

a lot of guys are into watches now. When did that trend come about? I mean, me personally, I started wearing bust down watches probably like in 2016. I did that because shot of my jeweler, Elliot, he put me on game. He like, hey, look, them diamonds, because I'm buying it from him. He like, them diamonds you buying? He like, like man if you can get connected to the store anyway you need to start buying watches from them because they hold

a value because he was teaching me about diamonds the different ones the tricks that jewelers play he was giving me the game and he like man your watch ain't gonna be worth nothing he like you rather buy something that's 50 60 70 000 and then two three years ago by now it's 250 it's an investment it's more of an investment piece than anything. You know what I'm saying? They go up higher than real estate sometimes. It does. It does. So, because I like, I mean,

I see on the right hand, you got, you know, you iced out, but on the red, you just got the AP Rose. And also, there's another thing too about them playing watches.

It introduces you to people that might wouldn't look your way. It definitely introduces yous your people. Because they know, they're like, oh, is that a Patek? It's like a solid world. They know what's going on. They know what it is. They know what's going on.

And they know you know if you got a, now obviously everybody's going to know what a role he is. Right. But when you start getting the Pateks, you start getting the APs and things of that nature, the Richard Meal, they're like, really? Really. I ain't going to lie, I got a story for that.

One time I was in Vegas, I'm at the crowd table. Because I don't really go to the private room because I feel like the energy from the people sometime make me win Yeah, instead of being so serious. So I'm at the regular table and it's white guy come and grab my wrist and say How do you got this watch and I said what you mean how I got the watch? He's like, well, you know about the watch. It was a it was a pattern. Yeah, 5980 the big boy Oh, yeah. That big boy. Yeah, the road guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They discontinued that model. Yeah, they discontinued that model.

Now you talking. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean. Yeah. And I'm like, how old are you? It made him start asking me my age and everything. I'm like, man, I ain't number 26. I was 28 during the time.

And he like, that's a great watch, man. And it didn't offend me like that. It kind of put me on game. Like, I know it was kind of put me on game like i know it's kind of offensive but at the same time it brought attention to somebody who understands it understand the language and i like to be presented like that so take not listed where is that that's us you never fail with that so let me ask you this yeah outside of real estate what's the most expensive purchase most expensive purchase outside of real estate, what's the most expensive purchase? Most expensive purchase? Outside of real estate.

Most expensive purchase outside of real estate. Hmm. Could be a car. I can say over time, like over time, I don't think I never spent nothing over no real estate. Like I ain't been no dumb fool and spent no million dollars on no car or stuff like that. I ain't think I never spent nothing over no real estate. I ain't been no dumb fool and spent no million dollars on no car or stuff like that. I ain't going for that. No matter how much money I got.

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So what is it that Offset would like to have that he doesn't have? As a car? Ooh, man, there's so many cars I want. You want a Bugatti, a spaceship? I don't want a Bugatti. I want a LaFerrari, though, because LaFerrari, I feel like the prestigious of Ferrari.

Oh, yeah, you know, they discontinued that, so you have to get one on the secondary market. You know, they like times X. Yeah, they bought like five million for sure. It's a. But what you going to do with it? I'm a driver. But then now you can't put that many miles on it because then you're going to decrease the value because I know you're going to want to get up out it.

Yeah. You ain't. But see, this is the reason why I ain't did it, though. I could have went and snatched a LaFerrari up. I ain't did that because at the end of the day, it's like you saying. And then one time, I ain't going to lie, I was buying a Rolls Royce here in L.A. at the Rolls Royce

dealership. And then I asked you, how much Bugatti is? He's like, 3.6 million. It was the new one. And the shot I run. And he's like, but listen, man, let me tell you some real shit. Black dude, he's like, let me tell you some real black dude he like I'm chasing real shit though so as you drive off you lose a million so you drive off he like you know if you drive a Cullinan off you might lose 50 that day right back there but with this car you're gonna lose a million dollars immediately just soon you pull out the

lot and I'm like why he will I would never buy that car if I was you and he did do who's selling me the cars right so I listen to that i pick up on that so bugatti's out of the i ain't done with the money you gotta have the money put up i ain't done with them oh yeah it ain't how much you make it's how much you keep now at the end of the day exactly you gotta put that up i'm gonna give offset three brands you can only wear three brands for the rest of your life what you're going with damn for the For the rest of your life. You got three brands only? Nike. For sure.

How you can't lose with Nike. Forever. Only three of them. Yep. I got to go with Nike. Jordan. That's the same thing, though, so I get a pass on that. Yeah.

So I'm going to say Nike. You can go high-end fashion if you like. Yeah, but I'm trying to make sure you're talking about forever. Yeah, that's all you got. That's a long time. That's a long time. Yeah, that's all you got That's a long time some of you can't win forever, uh A long lasting brand that I could work for a long time

Margiela, okay, and i'm gonna say Balenciaga longest dimmer still in there Which is the creative director Right Long as he stayed up there You're good Okay I'm gonna give you a choice AJ ones or AF ones The joint ones

Or the airport ones Bruh see you gonna ask me that And I really collect shoes man Yeah I know That's why I'm asking you I gotta go F01 F01 for sure especially like 2006 2008 untouchable oh yeah for sure 2006 2008 f01s untouchable jordan ones only the reason why i didn't

pick the jordan ones is because i i like the old i like the retro jordan ones i like the 85s right you know i mean the originals and you can't really find them i got five pair though but you can't really find them nowhere that's why you can't find them because you got them all yeah i got them all every time i catch a pair i'm buying it so let me ask you a question how do you get into collecting shoes obviously you grew up in the era i mean i grew up in the era when michael jordan burst onto the scene and to get those shoes but we weren't didn't have the wherewithal to think like we got the those shoes. But we didn't have the wherewithal to think, like, we got the shoes we wore them. We didn't get the shoes. We didn't have

no money, first of all, to get one to rock, one to stop. Yeah. A hundred dollars, that's a lot of money back in the 80s. A hundred dollars back in my time. Tell you the truth, my mama didn't buy me no Jordan. It was too high. So, I had to get old enough and get to trade my Air Maxes in, you know, in school.

Get to trade my Air Maxes for some J's or school, get to trade my air matches for some J's. Right. Do it like that. So that's what made me get into it because the same thing you said, I couldn't really, I couldn't, my mama didn't have the money to just be, we was on limit. Three boys, a long time. It was just my mama before she met her husband. You know what I mean? So I didn't have the opportunity to get no J's.

I remember the two for $89.99 and for one. And that was like the lottery for me, black and white, every school year. Yeah. That was automatic. They want you to be $40 a pair. $40. Like I said, two for $89, special. We're going to go white, we're going to go black.

And white going to get one on special occasion. But yeah. And then at my school, though, I ain't going to lie, though. At my school, by the time I got about ninth grade, everybody started feeling themselves. Yeah. If you came in my school with fake J's's it was like a known thing in my school burke my high school you coming up with some fake j it's kind of sad because everybody knew the protocol you know in the morning time cafeteria breakfast time you know you're coming in you got

to come with it you got to be right man with them it's like a protocol people that don't know your homeboys whoever them folks gonna put they're gonna sit on the arm Sit at the table lift their feet up and pointed to shoe. So it was an embarrassment thing So you had to be right stepping you couldn't come with them fake them fugazes. When did you start collecting shoes? When did you say you know what? I'm gonna sneak I'm become a sneaker here When did you start and do you wear all do you wear your shoes by a lem great when I was able to? Finesse and do stuff to get shoes probably like a lem great and if you go look atth grade, when I was able to finesse and do stuff to get shoes, probably like 11th grade. And if you go look at my old pictures, like I was having lippy 60s on, you know what I

mean? I always was having, I was having the J's in the polo era when we used to wear cargoes and polos and American Eagle and all that was in, you had to have the J's. So about 11th grade, because like I said, I couldn't, I couldn't, from, from middle school on up, it was the same routine, at 4'1". When, how many pairs of shoes do you think you have? Probably about like, 6,000, 5,500. 6,000? Yeah. Yes, sir.

Do you have a damn room, a house, a house for your shoes? I got multiple walls. And I got houses in New York, here in LA and in Atlanta, so they spread it out on each coast. What's your favorite shoe to collect? I gotta say, F.O. Swans, bro.

Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. because it's more it's more let me tell you why let me tell you why let me tell you why because it's more it's more selections it's like it was a lot of collabs done with them back then and the leather on the fos one from 2006 2008 is just a little different right but my favorite jordan is jordan 16s and the fours but the fours you can get but the 16s they always rip like my gingers i got like seven pair every time I wear them one time they coming out they date they rip because they owe right So what's the what's the most expensive pair of sneakers that you own Martin it flies They're like a hundred thousand, but I didn't pay that though Yeah, man, it's the old ones the ones it's but I got one is let's come on

They tie for real and both my shoes, and they put up somewhere on ice. You ain't going to wear them? I wore them, too. I wear all my shoes. Yeah. I wear all my shoes. I believe you ain't no shoe collector if you don't wear the shoes. I don't respect that.

So you ain't going to try to get up off them then? Nah, never. And I called them for the sweet $25,000. You called them for what? Called them for $25,000. Dude here in L.A. That's so staged, I think. He needed the money, and I had it. I got the money you need.

So what's the one thing that you bought, purchased in your life, that you're like, man, I should have left that alone? I can say what I... it's not a specific purchase. It's just like I gave a lot of money away. Like family, friends, loved ones. Family, friends. But I don't regret it though. Cause at the end of the day, my folks need to help.

But like now I'm getting older. Like I'm like, nah, I should. You hold that money a little tighter. You ain't as, hey. Cause you you know they think you got like a officer let your boy hold fire he like I should know green at one point I'll just give it a way yes and then it didn't take out to the point where like you know you get to start seeing your real folks when that happened though you get to see who your real because when you don't give it to him now I was letting say you acting

funny young get Thomas now you hear the story man bro but it was saying you'd be You get to see who your real partner is. And when you don't give it to them, now all of a sudden they say you're acting funny. You don't give it to them. Now you're hearing the story, man. Bro, what I was saying, you be a crab and bodygay, you all this and this and this and that. But I'm a crab now. Yeah. I'm part of you. I ain't look that. That disappear.

And then I got real friends of them. I don't want to get them. It's true. A lot of my boys from like 17 years ago, we've been friends. It be the folks that come, like, that you meet through time and see you see you and they become your boy and that a part of the crew and stuff like that and then it'd be them to be like because my real homies would be like um they won't even ask they wouldn't i have to ask them i because you know your family your brother you can see it like on you like you're all right you good right and even if they say i'm cool you know they're not good you

know they're not good you know what i'm saying you know it so i'm thankful thankful to have them type people. I got a lot of people like that, too. And I got homies that'll be like, hey, start giving that nigga some money. Start giving him money. To another bro, like, to another homie, like, hey, man, stop doing that. So I'm good. I got a good circle. I always tell people all the time, you got to put limits on what you give because takers will never put limits on what they take. Exactly. So free. So investing.

What's what's some of the tips? I mean, what are some of the things that, you know, you like, man, glad I got in on that. Damn, I missed that opportunity. So what as far as money, because like you said, you come into some money, you get money, you got money coming in and you like. It's not how much you make it's how much you keep exactly you can make 10 million but if you give 9.9 million 900,000 away as opposed to eight i got a million and i kept 900,000 so how how does offset go about delegating where the money goes?

I invested in the Faze Clan. I got real estate. And it's just, I can't say what it is at all. I can't say. I have a big investment that's on your phone that deal with avatars. And I actually listened to my mama to this. So the dude was here in la in chinatown and he was working out of his his little apartment and she brought me to his

apartment and then he needed like uh 245 000 and now now i can show you an article where it's like up to like 700 million but i don't never talk about you the first person i ever talked to about it's an avatar so it's like but i'm not allowed to but I don't never talk about you the first person I ever talked to about it's an avatar So it's like I hear but I'm not allowed to really speak on. Well, you good you straight in you sure you want to make music? Yeah, I want to make music You good Later though see what I learned is everybody investments hit around like mid-40s Right, I look at Nas with ring and all that and like even juicy j so i'm cool i know i

got something up the river but as of right now i save a lot of money though i got a lot of kids bro yeah you gotta say it's special i got here i got kids still got them they don't have kids i got kids i've been there you already know i know you know you know. And I got two daughters, too. You got two weddings coming. I got two daughters. Shit. I don't want to say. I ain't ready for them days.

All them talks. I don't even want to talk about that. So, obviously, the avatar we can't mention about. Let me ask you this. What have you learned about the, since you entered, what have you learned most about the music industry? Because I always hear it's cutthroat they do you bad they put you on these deals where they take it all the money

or you get it advanced and blah blah blah so what have offset learned most about the business knowledge is key and you can't blame you can't blame the system because the system gonna keep going so what you gotta do is like i did you gotta adjust to the system get to learning what what's what ask questions like i'm asking questions i don't want you before you give me the money i'm gonna ask you what you what i gotta give you yeah see because at first when i first came in the game well you got two million for me man running publish you got five million running not really reading the terms not really understanding and then your lawyer ain't gonna tell you your lawyer gonna tell you what you got to do but i feel like if you build with your lawyer like i taught my lawyer day to day when i'm asking questions and he know like i'm gonna ask this question and i need you to break it

down into a way that i can understand so i understand what i'm signing up to because i've been a dumb artist before just signing shit just get because they get you with the money you gotta thank you 20 years old these folks like look you got a hot song let me give you uh two million dollars but then i'm gonna own you and then you got five albums but then soon the album come out because most people don't know when your album come out you at an artist level like me man your first month they done made two three million wow but it ain't your cut it ain't it ain't your money and it's not counting to your recruitment but on the what they own That then recouped the two three million and they still got you in three million dollar debt And quarterly counting it down and they still got to spend the money to get so but at the same time they're making an investment so

You got to understand the business terms and understand that business these folks need to make the money, right? So they and they give you a lot of money But you also got to learn, like, okay, cool. What are my deliverables for this money? What's the time limit on the deliverables? And then me,

I love my label because I work with my label. Capitol Records, I work with them. I'm going to go to the office. I'm going to sit down and politic. If I got a complaint,

I'm not going to try to be like an asshole about it. I'm going to try to get a way to figure out the game. How can I politic better? How can I rub shoulders so this person can know cuz a lot of time we blame the label But we really gave them no type of information We just turn our album in like make this go and it don't work like this whole process to everything

So did you learn do you have to learn the hard way these lessons? Yes had a lot of her hallway for show man like being trapped in deals Or being signed signed into one deal like not owning not on all my rights now But like not only your rights to your music right all that is like you control you so Help to help me out with this. Okay, there's Ownership there's masters in's publishing are those the same thing well you said there's ownership let me ask you a question so is publishing and masters is that

the same thing no or they're two different things that's two different things okay so you own the publishing my masters you don't uh-uh i order percentage of my managers i don't hold 100 are you gonna try to get them yeah i'm trying'm trying to get them. But you got to just, like I just said, you got to finish your deliverables. Okay. So safe answer, you get signed. They sign you. $3 million. Five albums.

But your album term, I say, you can't drop an album for nine to 12 months. So if we do the math. That's some years. That's years. Four years. Four or five years that's years four years four or five years maybe even six years because the average artist

ain't just finna drop no album exactly on the nine months so it's still gonna be a stretch you're creating and then while that time while that's going on they still gotta spend

the money into you so it's doubling down so it's like most artists you don't see no check from the label but the one that you sign that's it?

that's it now publishing gonna go the publisher that's what publishing command they're gonna go see where all your music been licensed get all the licenses you can recoup through streams and all that but it'd be pennies to a dollar so it might so instead like for me my publishing i have an admin deal where we are in agreement that you will go get my stuff i'll give you a piece of but I'm not going to put it all in your hand and you can go grab everything. And I get the crumbs because then I'm going to be left in the deal forever. So the purpose of that is to recoup and renew every time, every two, every two, three years. You know, without having to drop a project because, you know, with catalog, I got a long catalog with me goes in my solo stuff. It recoups like I'm finna go re-up now.

Right. I'm finna re-up soon after this album so the streaming i because i've heard some people say streaming ain't no money then um i did talk to 21 savage savage says yeah hey they cut me a check every month so there gotta be some money in it what's your take on what's your take on on streaming i get cut a check too streaming is is is it's it's not for everybody like i ain't gonna accept you gotta he he he he did it right like you get hot first you get a risk you go he went platinum before he was signing anything so he got his master's everything but that don't be that's, he like a 10%. He like a 10% of his situation.

Okay. But I'm saying, most artists, streaming ain't nothing but like a, to me, I'm going to say it's a hype thing. Because you get sound stage money, but like you might have all these big streams that ain't finna register to your, you ain't finna be getting no check like that all the time because that check is going to the label for signing you right so if you let's just say they own the rights they own the masters they own the publishing so also in order for you to get that the billion stream for it to hit your pocket you need to own the publisher the catalog and all that other stuff yeah but it's here's two it's it's two things with that, see? I don't want to talk too political. All right, for instance, like, some folks that just be hard-headed,

you got to get with them folks a little bit because they're still a machine. Like, the label is still a machine. For sure. I never tell nobody to be just straight independent, even though people say it all the time. But it's like, you already got to have some money put to the side before you just say, I'm going to be an independent artist straight forward. I'd rather be with a machine because it's a partnership, and I sell music, and my music sells.

Right. Because they're going to help push it out there. Yeah. Because basically, you're spending their money making money. Yeah. But you have to position yourself right, though, Offset. You got to have leverage, too. Yeah.

But you got to not take the money up front. If I'm talking to a new artist, I'm going to tell them, listen, build your buzz up to the highest peak that it can get you. And if you can't get past that peak, then you get with them folks because then you got marketing and branding, which we don't be knowing a lot about. You know what I mean? But be smart.

But like i said with savage he leveraged himself great because he put he got hot he went platinum he had already sold a million copies before a label he signed to a label so now that's leverage like i just said you get leverage now you can walk in there and tell you what you want hey look man i want my masters i want this this this and even if you get it masters i'm only giving you 10 and then you're in a great position but most most artists ain't like that. So what I recommend to most artists that's in steals right now is figure out your deliverables, your albums. Pay attention to them time spans when you're dropping them albums. So say you drop an album and it was your first Buzz album.

That second album do better numbers than that Buzz album. Then start to try to renegotiate because everything is for negotiation Especially if you making the money now if you now if you grabbing all the money yourself doing your shows doing all that And you ain't really blowing up as a brand. They probably ain't gonna rock with you It just need to make sense. You need to make sure you building your stuff up so you can come with them with the leverage Hey this album. I sold 50,000. My second one I sold 100,000. So can I change this term from 12 months to maybe 6 months? Because now you

need to be able to drop music rapidly anyways. That wait in a year, two years, somebody else be done came through two, three folks then be done came through, kicked the door in and got hot. And people forget about you nowadays. Quick. You gotta stay consistent. Has streaming helped or hurt hip-hop?

It helped. I see a lot of people say it hurt. But they not... I see a lot of older artists say that. But y'all not see it. The money, we seeing. Okay, for instance. Back in the day,

you could be selling albums but not on the top A-lister status, and you ain't finna have no money like that. It's folks that ain't never been on the billboards with M's because people are streaming. People are streaming. Stream don't always resonate because it's artists that stream big and they don't go to radio. They don't need the radio. They stream big. They just stream, stream, stream.

And then when you have high numbers in streams, that creates festivals and different shows. And fan bases is into that now. The kids are into who got, dang, this song got a lot of streams. This person got a lot of monthly listeners. People look at that now. Back then, people weren't really on it unless you did some amazing. Oh, he did first week million sales And if you look at hip-hop back then it was probably like five six artists like 50

M it was like Wayne It was only a few of them to hold it was only a few of them doing it and it was a lot of rappers and They you would see the difference in the money with us streaming Even though you might not see a stream check man if you're a streaming artist man they give you a lot of opportunities they give you a lot of people people because people are into that now people dive into that the kids is into that streaming artists people it's crazy now i feel like now that people are more into trends like what's trending and i mean like so if you if all of a sudden all the blogs post like oh this song got

five million streams. A couple of days later, it might have seven million streams just from that. Just from people seeing it because people go people get no stuff like. What's your take on TikTok? Because TikTok is threatened to remove some of it from their platform because people are using the music. What's your take on TikTok? I feel like. I TikTok cool, my kids love TikTok what I just as an artist who who makes great music you know I mean I feel like it should be also TikTok need to be counted as a stream too right you know I mean because and it's but I'm gonna keep it real too TikTok is taking a listener away because they're going to instead of like listen to a beautiful art of song they go into

the part that might it might be 10 seconds 15 20 seconds and people and when people is doing it so much it make people feel like they gotta just get discovered from tick tock like new artists you don't gotta do that bro good music gonna be good music regardless but i'll be hearing a lot of tick tock music now i ain't hanging on i salute it i salute it because i don't want to seem like i'm hanging on the young generation i just feel like it do kind of close the door on the artist right like on the artist side but it can blow up it can make your catalog blow up like for instance you might have a song you dropped four years ago and then go viral tomorrow and it rechart that's the good that's why i say it's a good and a bad so um when when you said um artists going viral do you believe that's that's sustainable like you have a song and all of a sudden it just goes viral can that artist artist

have sustainability for sure let me tell you why because every person don't want viral every every generation y'all just older generation just ain't called a viral right when somebody had a hot song that you've never known and then the song becomes hot and they're a new artist that's viral okay so viral is it depends on the art the artist it's just if it's a great artist or not now sometimes people go viral and they don't be able to do that after it might not be the best artist but i feel like everything has always been viral in the music period you're like Michael Jackson, when he first dropped off the wall. Off the wall. And then when he dropped bad.

It's viral. It's everywhere. Viral don't mean nothing but everybody see it and everybody turning to it and channeling in on this one thing. Oh. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news, previews, recaps,

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Okay. That's what I would say. Right. Gimmicks don't last. What's the state of hip-hop right now? What's the state of hip-hop right now? If we looking at the whole scale like we come out you come out like the state of hip-hop looking at all of hip-hop history and everything Are you saying be?

But about this the state of hip-hop currently as opposed to where it was when you were you remember what hip-hop was Yeah, is hip-hop still that I don't know what for you to my esteem why would it not be everything is culturally moved from hip-hop period I don't care what it is it is a commercial that ain't got nothing to do with none it's all still brought hip-hop is at the end of the day so you don't believe hip-hop declining? I don't believe so. Not while I'm in it. What the hell?

I look like saying it's declining right now. I'm in it. No, sir. And it's way more rich black folks off of hip hop. That made it. Ever. It ain't never been no execs in the buildings like it is now. It's black execs in the buildings, like in the labor buildings,

making decisions more than it's ever been. And we still run the culture. And then if you still look up the quotas, people just be talking. If you still look up the quotas that they make, that they label make, ask somebody that next time you interview somebody like that's in the music business, an exec, ask them where that money come from. Pop, country, or hip hop.

At the end of the quarters, it's hip-hop because hip-hop is coming so much It's flooding the market. It's funny that you say country we see Beyonce Make a country song. Yeah, Texas hold'em Went to number one on the country and the Billboard chart What made you what what in your best guess obviously you're not in her head you're not in her team's head what do you why do you think beyonce charted out because that was a huge risk now she's big enough she's a brand element to herself but she's big enough to take that risk to take that chance what why do you i don't even feel like it was a risk no chance she's a real

talented artist you can't play with her like you can's a real talented artist. You can't even play with her. You can't put her in no box. You can't put artists in a box. It's an artist. You can't put them in a box. And if you just look at her history, she's from Houston, Texas. They ride horses. They country, for real.

She got folks in her family's country. I got folks in my family in Greenville, Tarboro, Greenville. I mean, Tarboro, North Carolina. And Greenville, North Carolina is real country folks. And country music come from black folks. I don't know where is the new thing where it's like, because I seen somebody get mad at her doing a song or something. I don't know who it was, but folks got to not take it. Don't try to. You can't take our history, too.

But you don't think that was a risk for her? Considering who she is. Look, she can always go back to what she was doing. She's still one of the biggest artists in the world. So she even if even if it didn't, she had major success doing it. But even if she didn't have success, she could always go and say, OK, I'm just over here. I don't feel like it's a risk because she's an artist. Like we didn't get caught up in this thing where we like, oh, if they do that, they tripping or that's not you're supposed to be doing this you was an artist right it's no it's no

it's like go back to whitney houston and michael jackson burr if you listen to michael jackson and the jackson five in the beginning it's love love love and then you hear bad and dirty diana that sound like a rock song you know what i'm saying there's not no limit to right if you're a great artist it's not a limit to it's not you're a great artist, there's not a ceiling on you. I don't feel like there was no risk. She make country music, and it sounded good too. Right. So would you be willing to experiment?

I'd do anything. I'd get on any song. I done did EDM. You going to do country? I tried. No, we I done did EDM. You gonna do country? I tried. Nah, we gonna wait on that. We gonna wait. Not right now.

Not right now. Not right now. Not right now. Not right now. I'll do anything, though. I feel like I can do anything. You know what? Musically.

You was on the Beyonce Renaissance Tour. What was that like? Bro, it was, it was was it was like it crazy crazy bro i ain't gonna lie it's crazy like the production how she do the show the showmanship how to treat how you treat it and like how the fans you treat it inside of the show she amazing it's amazing bro i ain't gonna lie like it's. I mean a non-stop two hours of non-stop dancing, entertaining. She, man, it's a lot of, it's like a storyline. When you there, it's like a lot of, Ooh, I'm on it. It's a lot of moments. It's like the energy

is just moving in different realms. But you did the electric slide. I mean, what, what made you and Jack Holt get up there and start doing electric slide? You know what I mean? It just felt like we was at the barbecue, man. You know what I mean? You know we got to jump on the slide. You cannot be at the cookout at the barbecue, family union, and not hit the slide. You got to hit it. You can't be right there saying, cool. You got to hit that, man.

You got to get it up, man. It's a vibe. It's an energy thing. Like, everybody was happy. I felt good. Like, the show was a beautiful show. It was just a moment. It wasn't like something you were thinking.

It was just like you were at the cookout. You were with the family, locked in. It's electric. It's electric. So what can fans that see an Offset for the very first time, solo, what can they expect going to your concert? I'm doing backflips off the wall. I'm hanging from the ceiling.

I'm touching the fans. I'm getting in the crowd with you. We're going to turn up. We're going to have a good time. I'm not trying to. I want you to leave out with the experience. Like, damn, I didn't know he was like that. I don't want to do anything that's too cool.

I ain't trying to be too cool for school. I might not have to sweat. I want everybody to have a great time. Like I said, my production, I put a lot of, I spent a lot of money into this where it don't even really make sense where they like, oh, you, but I'm going hard. I just want, I believe in investing in myself. I believe I got to do something to separate myself from the other artists. And I got to do something that'll make me stand out that, that, that, you know, I come i come from a i gotta still represent my roots and where i come from too bro i i come from the migo it's a great group you know i mean and we did

things at a high level so i gotta do this at a high level so you believe this is your opportunity to really separate yourself from other artists in your field yes for sure i am gonna do that i'm not it's not something i think i'm gonna do it you know you said this is gonna be the greatest show greatest song yeah that's what you said yes i read where you you went to usher when he has his residency in vegas and you studied a lot of what he did and the production and the theatrics of him and you're going to try to are you going to incorporate a lot obviously totally different vibe but you're going to incorporate some of the things because you like the way his show was produced and the way it was set up i like the

way i had an intimate and he felt like you could reach him and touch him and then just because i because i'm looking at a show and a different aspect of i'm'm an artist, so I'm going to look at it different. I'm looking at what the fan responses is, how you activate with the fan. When he go up the stairs and he get on his DJ thing and he's literally in the crowd with the fans. Yes. And they even know how to act. They're not even losing it. They know how to act.

They're keeping the control. But it's like the environment he did, how he did his small setup for him to then go do the Super Bowl. Right. And he's from Atlanta, too. Like, you know, it ain't a lot of people I'm seeing doing Bowl. Right. And he from Atlanta too. It ain't a lot of people I'm seeing doing that from the A. So he from home, so I feel related to him. And shout out to him, man.

He brought me out on his tour. I was able to perform on his tour. How he did, he part the film aspect of it too. It was like his backstage where I came from was like club usher. And it was like a club in there. And how he was talking to me how i would be talking to the next artist if i'm don't just come out on the show i got this camera blocking make sure you be on point right here boom boom boom boom like make sure i'm in pocket everything to make sure

his show is still running i respect the uh professionalism wow that's so honestly i read that you said you you spending a lot of your own money on this set, on this production. Yeah. Why was that important to you? Because I come, I feel like... Is it a control thing? It's not fair to fans from where I come from and to do less. Okay.

Just do less. I don't feel like that's fair. And I don't feel like I would be respected doing a show simple, like a simple show. I'd just be in the midst of everybody else doing simple shows. Right. I've been in the gang 11 years. Okay. So I got to come stepping.

I got to be, I want you to respect me when you leave out the building. Right. Why was it so important? Because, look, I haven't been to a rap show since Hammer was a hatchet. But. No. Yeah, it's been a while. it's been a while since you gotta get outside huh how about since mc elmo since mc hammer no i ain't seen no mc hell but i got it

no you got to go back i'm talking i got to go way back i'm talking about like run dmc and that's the last time you seen a rap concert yeah you're not being a part of the culture i bought i bought a record i listen you ain't buying a record you streaming the record okay yeah come on uh uh come on satellite radio no man you gotta go see the youngest man do they thing man man you gotta go see them i'm in bed by 10 o'clock what time they coming out y'all coming on at five o'clock in the afternoon no i can't stay up that late yes you can man you gotta rock with i gotta work in the morning you gotta rock with the culture man you can, man. You got to rock with the culture. I got to work in the morning. You got to rock with the culture, man. You can't let it cut down.

They're going to put you in that old head bracket. That ain't cool. See, old head bracket is only not, it's not because of age. It's because you're not culturally involved in the youth. Okay. You got a lot of young cats rocking you, bro. They do. They do, man.

They do, bro. They like you, too. They rock with you, bro. Okay. All right. I guess I'm going to go. You got to stop wearing them tight pants, too. No, I can't do that. Yes, you got to, bro. I'm do that yes you you got to bro i'm trying to tell you like i'm trying to say like i ain't been letting them change me man ain't about that bro it's just you big i know you

big for that now i proceed to see if i got on if i got on big clothes they might i would be close but you i got on these big cargoes okay these fit but what i got on when i got what you call them uh cargos. Okay, these fit. But what I got on, what I got, what you call them? When I'm out doing stuff for my La Portier, I'm going to be comfortable. You going to be comfortable? I'm uncomfortable. I ain't uncomfortable in that. I'm comfortable

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that's my partner that's my boy that's my dog the ad lib so i how do you come up with ad-libs? How do you come up with what you do? It's really a feeling. It's like just an excitement of feeling when you're doing a song. And it's a gap filler. And it's simple so people remember it. That's the thing. It's not so complex.

It's very simple. When I do the woo's or the hurt, when I'm doing that, it's just a standout moment in the song that I feel like a fan just going to dive into it. And then, you know, Ric Flair did the woo. Right. So it was on the right. I had to do it on the song. But I read what you had.

You had had a little discussion with Metro Boomin for putting on the album without your permission. Y'all cleared that up, though. Yeah, it wasn't a public thing. That's my real brother, so we was going at it about that. But I trust him, though. Right. So even him having the choice

and being able to do that is because I trust him, but I did not like the song. Right. He always would tell me, like, boy, this is going to be one of your biggest songs. It's six-time platinum. Yeah.

That was your first platinum record. Yeah, so I had to respect him, respect my boy. It was my first solo platinum yeah right yeah how was it working with rick flair because like you said you're a wrestling fan and if you're a wrestling fan you know nature boy he was the same way as i've seen him on tv yep he was saying he was the exact same person just a little older but the same person he got energy he ain't he ain't walking around like quiet no he loud and um when i you know i always like i said i play respect so i had reached out to him through the video and he he wasn't really so healthy you know i mean and then he said this brought he told me and i'm allowed to talk about this brought him back to life just what he say to me right because he said he was sitting at home he he wasn't working with uh

the wrestling company yeah i wasn't doing wrestling he wasn't doing none of that no more and then when i made the song he said he started to get a lot of calls to like i guess bring him and do different different different things so if you always see him he got a diamond arm he got a diamond rick flair chain that i got him too and he wear it to this day every time i see him on his Instagram or whatever. And he always show love to me in his interviews when I ask about the song. We only have a couple more minutes left, but you've gone to jail twice. What did you learn from going to jail?

And why did you go? I went to jail more than twice, but... Damn. We only got twice. How did they sneak you in and out of jail? Where did they do that at? What I learned was... I was young, tripping.

You know what I mean? I was going down the wrong path, but I was just trying to get me some money. I wasn't ever doing no... I was just trying to get some money at all time right my brother got 15 years though that woke me up my older brother he probably only been out for two years to now so you gotta think he got locked up when i was 17 to about 20 22. wow i mean so seeing the pain in my mama eyes seeing him get sentenced to 15 years in prison, like

you ain't never coming, you ain't coming home for 15 years. And then like lost a lot of homies in the street too. That'll wake you up. You know what I mean? So I was trying to chase this music, chase something that'll get me up out of that. And thank God it got me up out of it. But then I still made mistakes in music, but I was young. my first time having a lot of money you know what i mean i got i got my whole crew with me everywhere i go you know i mean and then you responsible for them yeah

so one of them act of food that's on you yeah it falls on you then clean i had to do a lot of cleaning up with my image man and i'm glad people don't don't really talk about it because that's what i did i did this for to push to push it away because at first i ain't gonna lie when i first moved first i was like it was like being the bad apple you know i mean sitting in front of these bands and they like well you you come out of jail so we you want to and and to shake that image it was hard and. But I'm able to shake it. I always encourage my brothers in the rep, like, you talk about how you talk, but make sure you presentable when you come to these people. You on time.

Yeah. You talk like you talk to your homeboy, but when you go to corporate America, you talk to the people that can give you some money. Clean that up. You got to clean it up. You got to be on time. Right. Can they expect you to be late?

Yeah, because you came early. No, I was on time. No, no, no, no. because you came early i mean no i was on time no no no no no no no no no no no no no no the interview was scheduled at one o'clock 12 15 i got my schedule i can pull it up no but i'm just telling you what what we would how you gonna 12 15 do what y'all said it come from y'all i pull up she ain't in here i said damn no what happened was I had a meeting. I did schedule

two meetings today. The interview was supposed to be at one o'clock. You being a rapper, y'all normally come at 115, 130. See, that's fucked up. That's fucked up, bro.

Corporate world think the same way. It's the truth. How many times you think I'm sitting down with you guys? I ain't late, though. No, you early. I'm on time.

No, you early. You an hour early. See, I hit you with the unexpected. You thought I was going to be late. No, I normally get here at 1230.

So when CJ hit me up and said... So everybody be late. No, not everybody. I ain't late. I'm on time. my means i won't because but but that works for me though i like when people be and you was early yeah i'm supposed to be how you thinking i ain't i'm not oh you were you're on time oh yeah ready to go you don't came in i'm like okay i'm like you here already here ready go? We ain't got you something to eat.

Come back. Still ready to go. I'm like, well, damn. Yeah, man. I got to be professional. Oh, Barry, kudos. And I got a production company, too. I got my own production company.

So I be wanting to be on time. Yeah, yeah. I'm a big stickler for time. Be on time for mine, too. I invest my money in myself and my brand. So, yeah. So, the women actually, before, obviously, did women visit you in jail?

For sure. It was all lame. Oh! Now, this was before everything, honestly. Before being married. Yes. Come on, now. I always had the juice.

Did you know these people? I mean, these were people that you had messed with. And so they come, they like, oh, I'm coming to see you. The funny thing, I'll tell you a funny story. So when I first was locked up, when we had Versace, I was in jail when we blew up. Yeah. I had like three, four people on my list, right? Three, four girls.

Yeah. I was just cool with On the list and they wasn't showing up what I'm gonna tell you let me let me tell you how this go though My mama coming every every weekend my home was he? My homeboy freak he coming every weekend. It was him three girls So my song get on the radio I get on the phone, I get on the phone, and like, this son got all over the radio, he's blowing up, he's going crazy. Bro, you wouldn't believe these folk come to the visitation. Now, in DeKalb County, it's like they show you a picture,

and they got the name of the people. These girls was sitting in one lobby and waiting and going after another. I started getting one visit to having four visits, because during the time, I don't know what it is now there's a long time ago you get six people that can visit you they get 30 minutes apiece but they all got to sit in the same lobby and that's when I knew something was going on with the music I'm like it's really happening because they were like oh you like I got the juice I had the juice. Yeah! I'm in jail. You got that? Yeah, that's my plan. You got that?

Now, I'm about 19. Yeah. I'm in the, I'm locked up and every time, they like, bro, why they keep, because I ain't tell nobody

during that time, like when I was in jail, I ain't tell nobody. I wasn't lame, like, bro, that's me on the radio. I'm all set. I wasn't doing that

and we wasn't even all the way there yet, but we was all on the radio and then they just start coming. They like, well, you keep getting bitches and I couldn't believe it either. I, and then they just started coming. They like, well, you keep getting visits. And I couldn't believe it either. I'm like, now they coming?

I mean, how they all up? You got three or four coming. They sitting in the same lobby. Do they know they coming to see you? They know each other, too. How you pull that off? It start. You not going to show up here when you're away, huh?

It start. It start. It start. It just, I guess it was like the first. It was like me getting to see the first level of fame. Wow. But it wasn't no fights or nothing. It was just, it was just, everybody was chilling away just to go, go visit me. But it wasn't like that at first, though.

How about this? Give me a top five Atlanta rappers. Top five. Top five. We got to go, I hate separating them. You got to go. I hate separating them. You got to go Andre 3000. Okay.

You know what I mean? You got to go. Amigos. I got to throw myself in that. And you got to go. I should have said it right now. You got to go Gucci. Got to go Gucci.

You got to go future. You got to go Pluto. You can't see this. Oh, you got to go future. I want to say somebody y'all don't know, though. From Atlanta. Who? Kilo.

You know who Kilo is? Yeah. He's from Atlanta, right? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, Kilo. I got to get to Kilo. Private dancer?

Yeah, yeah. Because that's what I listen to when my mom and them in the house growing up. And I don't never hear nobody ever acknowledge them. Acknowledge them. Kilo Ali. Dance, T, dance. I listen to my mom and them in the house growing up and I don't never hit about ever acknowledge them not a shame kilo Ali Dance yeah dance up for money I do I used to hit it I used to hit it in my mama house all the time

You had a once had an issue with Joe Budden cuz he said something because you direct as a matter of fact that we sit here you directed cardi b's music video for the upcoming i think the song for upcoming album that she got uh you had i don't think he feeling it but you had a run-in with joe before correct yeah we good yeah we good with joe man, Joe just be... I don't like how... I rock with Joe. I done talked to him on some man to man, but I just feel like he'll kick it with you and then kind of dog you out to the world. Right.

You know what I mean? Now, it be hard for him to do that because it's like the credits don't be matching by the comparisons the credits that he has don't be matching oh okay okay i mean right the credits that he got don't really really be matching to like the people he he be getting on ass but he do got a word and sometimes he say some things that that do make sense but i didn't like how he was trying to shit on females you know i, I mean, right like it's evolution, bro

You shouldn't say that That is dead and then I don't want him to come for me either like cuz I don't talk to him I ain't just down to I just fly this I disagree with your pain with the female music, right? Are they doing a thing? Why why shit on it? You know, I mean, right? But we good we good. Oh, yeah, no problem. I got no problem. Nobody. Let me ask you this How do you the criticism that comes along with it, how have you been able to develop thick skin? Because you know there's been some criticism. I don't come from that, though.

Right. See what I'm saying? Like, I didn't, thank God, like, I blew up in 2013. Well, we was still, we had to get on the flow. We had to sell CDs. We had to put posters up. I come from doing shows from 5,000 to 10,000, Chitlin' Circuit. Like, I didn't come from, damn, I blew up.

My son blew up on Instagram. And let me check my comments, you know what I mean? And I just feel like your core fan base, as long as you got that and you successful, you moving. But, you know, you do see stuff and you go through stuff. I try to keep myself up out of that because that'll end up, it'll drive you crazy trying to like prove to these people because once they see that they can get to you they just keep going. Yeah they do. It's like one soon they touch that nerve and you sure they touch that nerve they touch it throughout your whole thing like I'll be seeing now like when people drop music

right they like the next day it's like trolls on there saying how many streams they got in 24 hours. When I come from your record growing, because when your record grows, it establishes you more. Right. Because you can have a number one record for one week, and then it drop off the charts completely. And then that person who at 89, and they go to 69, and they go to 70, that mean they done

been on the billboards for 12 weeks and they got up to top 20, top 10, and you had a number one and it fell right off the chart. I come from development music. My first songs, I didn't go top 10 on no billboard and I still was making my money and people loved me. And I feel like it's taken away from the artist's creativity. They ain't really, because they so focused on like, damn, what my number going to be.

I don't be, I ain't even checking that. I feel like first week numbers is a way to downplay us to make us a less value in the game. To like the big labels. Social media. Social media. Social media. What role do you think social media, because like you said, sometimes people say things on social media

that they would never say to your face. And sometimes people do things just to get other people in social media to click up with them like, yeah, you see what he said about such and such. He said this about offset. Or he said this about this, about that. Are you on social media like that or you just let it rock I

Mean, I'm always watching But I try not to bite the bait Family like try not to buy the bank. I as the artist sometime we see that Why don't you sign up I debate I'm always not there's a matter of fact since you mentioned that I'm gonna give me some title Clothes yeah, you told me that we don't buy debate. I'm gonna be some time. You can no bite the bait. I'm a, as a matter of fact, since you mentioned that, I'm gonna get me some title clothes. Yeah. Now that you told me that, right there, see, don't bite the bait.

I'm gonna get me some title clothes. You can't bite the bait because once you bite the bait and they might be saying the craziest shit, you bite the bait and if you, when you realize it,

like, damn, if I'm so small, soon you bite the bait, that motherfucker everywhere. Yeah. Soon you speak on something, it just flooded everywhere.

It ain't got big, but I ain't gonna lie, I'm a person too though. Sometimes the super disrespectful shit. I just got to say something. Because sometimes it just be like too disrespectful. Like it's been time. One time, like they were doing some weird stuff with my kids.

You mad at me that much that you got to bring my kids and do like a fake little weird meme? I don't play that. Now, that's when I speak on it. When it's like my family or like my kids. You got some weird, nasty shit with my kid. And it be fan bases that'll do that shit. And it's like, bro or like my kids, you got some weird, nasty shit with my kid. And it be fan bases that'll do that shit. And it's like, bro, come on, bro. I say something to that.

But most of the time, I'm going to ask. I got good people around me, too. So I'm going to hit my folks like, hey, bro. And they'll be like, don't say nothing. They'll talk to me about it. I ain't just jumping the gun, though. Right. Because sometimes you'll just blow it up. Some people ain't even seen even seen it and then they see no, it's on every blog. Sorry I

Asked Savage about this about dating privately versus publicly and What's your thoughts on that if you could do it over again What are your what are your thoughts on dating publicly versus dating privately if i could do it again definitely privately just so not let me say not so public i mean not so public yeah i mean not not so public because i just show my own off i me but at the same time folk being your business and people judge you like just too much like do you just too much into your your world and it deteriorates a lot of things but that's shit man and

put a lot of pressure on folks and stuff like that and everybody not everybody not really supposed to see your in professions or your professions and I mean that's supposed to be just like a household thing so i would definitely more private i read it also that you you put the lean down yeah why do you feel that was important it was bothering your health because i mean i didn't have no health issues it It was bothering my relationships. You know what I mean? Yeah. My family. Like, I hated it. My mom would say, just sometimes I don't feel like I'm talking to my son. Because that hurt.

You know what I mean? You can't keep saying it so many times. And it wasn't her trying to, like, but it was genuinely, I could see it in her eyes when she said. Or when I used to be right there, just how I was like, and just sit and I just catch my mama, I peep her like, just looking at me and she'd try to look off. I knew I was disappointing my mama and disappointing my family. And it's the greatest thing I did though, bro.

I ain't gonna lie, I got a clear mindset. I'm not, because it have you like a little aggravated a little bit let me ask you why do you think so many rappers partake in it i mean people got their own trauma sometimes it i never think it's a cool thing like when people be like oh it was a cool thing to do i think you try something and you enjoy it it make you feel good and you keep doing it that's just me being a thousand as we wrap up here offset how does offset continue to evolve and move the bar by being more creative um taking more risk the risk of the war i got that tatted on me no risk no reward um also studying the greats man you got to study your history you got to study sometimes

you gotta you gotta i hear a lot of people like i don't watch nobody well i watch greats because i want to see what they were doing to separate themselves and to keep growing. Because it's hard, especially in this time. People don't want to accept shit, so you got to force them to accept it. That's why I just said, like when you said with the Beyonce situation, you're going to accept this. And we're going to go number one. And we're going to keep pushing this brand. And sometimes the risks come with a great reward. You can't be scared.

I feel like as an artist, you're supposed to do that. People look up to you because they can't do that in their lives. They don't have the heart. You inspire other people. So if you do the same thing, you're only going to inspire the same amount of people. I always want to grow my fan base. I always want to. And you've done it.

You was on that big-ass TV show, right? And you came and did your own thing. And your shit then grew. Bigger. Bigger. You've been to football stars. You went to different levels. show right and you came and did your own thing and your than grew bigger bigger you've been a football star you went to different levels and it's still it's always room for being a bigger and a better brand and sometimes you go through heartbreaks or sometimes you go through tough times and the tough time would make you and you'll feel like damn what's gonna happen next and then you don't get distracted by it and you keep on to your mission.

If you really, you dive into what you really believe in, man, it's going to come, it's going to come through for you. Appreciate you stopping by the club. Best of luck on the solo tour. Yes, sir. You know what?

You come to a city near me, O'Shea, I'm going to pull up. I'm going to come pull up on my butt, man. I like what you've done. Congratulations to you, man. You know what I mean? You've been helping people and you don't know it. You know what I mean? People, people, you started your own thing. You know I rock with Ocho.

Yeah. That's my real doll now. Yeah. That's my real doll. I like what Childboy is doing. Y'all keeping it original. It's like a black talk. It's real relatable to the young and the old. You know what I mean? Yeah. Keep doing your thing, man. Appreciate that. Y'all stop by one night. I'm going to stop by. I want to get on that one.

I'm talking about my boy. That's my real dog. That's my boy. Offset. All my life. I've been grinding all my life. All my life. Been grinding all my life. Sacrifice. Hustle paid the price. Want a slice. Got the rolling dice.

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