Club Shay Shay - The Bubba Dub Show - Michael Irvin’s Dallas Cowboys GLORY DAYS!! Bubba Dub Show

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

Bubba Dub sits down with Hall of Fame Dallas Cowboys WR Michael Irvin to chop it up in front of a LIVE audience!! Dub and the Playmaker go over the current state of the Dallas Cowboys. Pay Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb fam!! Then, Dub and Michael discuss the Dallas Cowboys glory days with the triplets, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin and Troy Aikman and what it took to win three Super Bowls with America’s Team. After, Bubba and Playmaker do a deep dive on Playmakers broadcasting career after his NFL days were over, and Irvin gives advice to the young guns on the come up. Next, Michael Irvin and Bubba Dub give us a HILARIOUS hell nahh segment and then some fans come to kick it with a Q+A session to wrap up the show at Playmakers 88 Restaurant and Bar in Dallas, Texas. #volume #clubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Because, damn it, that's what y'all be saying. This man is my daddy, man. Welcome to the show, everybody. Hey. How you feeling, Mike? I'm feeling great, man. I'm feeling great. And I love that we're doing this show right here at Playmakers. And I'm looking out at this audience, man, and this is a beautiful group right here. We've got a beautiful group right here at Playmakers.

So I'm feeling great. Man, that's good. Let's go on and dive into it, man. Where my Cowboy fans at? Y'all make some noise while we're here. Y'all got to be in the building. This is Cowboy Haven right here. Most definitely is.

That's what this is. Make no mistake about it. When I first got here, I told everybody in the building, I told them all, I said, We ain't selling, you know. We not a bar, not even a restaurant. What we are in the business of is the Dallas damn Cowboys. That's the first thing I told everybody. We're in the business of the Dallas Cowboys.

So let's throw a story out for this season right here, Mike. What you expecting from the Cowboys this season? What you expecting? Well, when we get our guys in camp, and we got to get our guys in camp, and I know, and I want everybody to understand, this is the game they play with our emotions all the time.

I've been on the other side of this, you know, the great player and the owner. And they'll fight all day, they'll fight all night, and the deal won't get done until the slipper falls off Cinderella and the carriage turns back into a pumpkin. But the deal will get done. For sure. It'll be late. It'll be great. But the deal will get done. And when we get our guys back in camp, I'm expecting another good season.

That means you'll go 12-5, you know, at worst 11-6 or 10-7, but you'll get in the playoffs. Now, what we do, that's, but you'll get in the playoffs. Now, what we do, that's the question when we get in the playoffs. Before we get to the playoffs, like, that feature is up in the air right now with a new contract

movement. What does contract situation does to players at this time, whether they don't know if they're going to be here or not? What does that do? The psyche of a player. Right. And that's a great way to ask a question. And that's what people do on TV.

And I'm there all the time. I have to deal with it. You know what I mean? Because you said that future's up in the air. That future ain't up in the air, man. That guy's so much money, man. He already got so much money. For sure.

He's finishing up a money. For sure. He's finishing up a $160 million deal, and he's going on to get another one. So the hyperbole that we use on TV stains the brain in a way. But the reality is, Backstreet's not up in the air. He's going to be with the Cowboys at least this year. For sure. And Dallas will figure something out and try to keep them long term. The only way they will not do it is if Trey Lance is doing some incredible

things in practice and you're saying, man, we got to get this dude on the football field. What have you seen from Trey Lance so far? Well, I haven't seen enough to say anything about moving Dak. I'm just giving you all knowledge to get ahead of the game so you're not just following the game. But the reality is no, Dak Prescott

is our quarterback, man. And we need to make sure he's on the football field. I'm glad you said that because you also have fans and the Naysayers saying, well, if Dak don't want to be there, then let him go. Now, stop saying that bullshit because Trey Lance ain't it. Not right now.

Not right now. Like, I don't see no other quarterback right now that can come in and lead the Dallas Cowboys besides Dak. There's a lot in that. There's a lot in that. There really is, guys. And we might as well prepare for that kind of a season because it's a lot in that. You know, Dak is right now the best option we have if we're ever going to talk about getting those things that I have. Yeah, the ring.

That's what you're talking about, right, Mike? No, no, no, no, no. I ain't talking about the ring. I'm talking about the rings. Yeah, you got three. For sure. I tell people, I'm an S brother. Everything I've done, I won championships on levels.

You put an S in it, and then when you want to ring, no, ring. So, you know, I'm an S brother. So, yes, yes. Now, in order to win championships, it takes something different. It takes something special. You've got to have a deep bond. It's not that we don't have the players with the skill. Our fault and our shortcomings have been they don't have the collective will.

You see, and that's why we've come up short. We need somehow, someway for those dudes to get that collective will to match their skill, and then we can get some things done. Well, that's the thing you just said, rings. We haven't won since you won, and that's the problem right now that we have, and there's Cowboy fans, there's Cowboy Nation. We've been spoiled over the last 25 years over the three rings that y'all won and the time frame that y'all won.

So what I'm saying is you got Dak right now. Then you got C.E. We haven't paid him. Then you got Michael Parsons. We got three components. Remember, it was Aikman, Emmitt, and you. And that's the way I look at it now with Dak, C.E., and Michael Parsons. You have to

take care of those guys. What are we You have to take care of those guys. What are we waiting on to take care of those guys and go on and handle business? And that's a great segue to what we should be talking about anyway. The reality is those top three guys are incredible athletes, man, incredible players, incredible players. But in order for us to do something special, they have to come together. Correct. Because they're going to be the top of the sphere. You know, to this day, people ask all the time about my relationship with Troy

or my relationship with them. To this day, we're still great friends. We've never had any kind of discourse or anything or having any falling outs. You know what I mean? Because we know the kind of bond it takes to do great things, to win championships. You're going to be tested in your deepest will. And if you're not together on that, then some things, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to succeed.

And those three guys, man, so gifted and so talented and in great areas. In the areas we need. We need to move that ball through the air and we need somebody to get to that damn quarterback. And we got it. We got it. I just need them to get it together. They'll get their money. I'm talking about

getting to collect the wheels together and let's get some championships around here, man. I'm tired of people talking about Kansas City and all these other teams and San Francisco and not talking about the Dallas Cowboys like they should be. Well, you know I play receiver too, right? You know that, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know.

I was good until I got hit so hard I shit on myself, Mike. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I saw plenty of guys just like that. Just like that. I used to tell my lady, man, right, every year they drafted a new receiver, you know, and these are bad boys, man, in camp, man. They used to draft these dudes. I would call my lady and say, hey, get out of the mall, baby. Stop spinning. They got this bad dude over here. What do you do fast? And then we put on the

pads and they throw the ball and that ball beat the dude up i called him back i said you can spend as much as you want we good you see what i mean because there were a lot of guys that that that has all the physical skill set but when it comes to it the courage ain't right and and and they did what you did what made you a playmaker, though? You wasn't the fastest, you know, you wasn't the greatest route runner ever, but you were a hall of famer. That means something. Like, what made you a playmaker?

You know, it's so funny. I got that nickname when I got to the University of Miami. Jimmy was talking about in a meeting, we need some new playmakers. We had just lost two top receivers, Eddie Brown, who was all pro and Stanley Shakespeare. Both guys had left. And I'll never forget, right?

I was watching film one day and Jimmy walked by. And Jimmy said, Michael. He said, everybody's wondering what is Miami going to do at wide receiver. He said, wait till I show him Michael Irvin. And he walked off. He just walked off.

I said, Coach, I ain't going to let you down. I yelled it. Right. Right. Oh, my God, man. The next day we went to practice, I was still hyped. I was whooping. They was budding practice, talking much noise. And then Winston Maltz, I was just hyped. I was whooping Negro's buddy practice, talking much noise.

And then Winston Moss, I was just a freshman. Winston Moss said, boy, there's a playmaker right there. And from that point on, they've always called me. They just called it the playmaker. It stuck. It stuck because Jimmy was talking about prior that we need playmakers. We had lost those great receivers. And then, you know, I had that practice,

and it stuck. That first Super Bowl run y'all had, what was that like that year? Out of all the things that God has allowed me to experience, and I've had many great peaks and some low valleys, dude, I'll tell you this. Nothing's greater. Nothing's greater than winning that first Super Bowl.

Nothing. Because you got to track back just a little bit in history when we were. I came here from Miami, man. I played three years in Miami. I graduated early with my degree in business. Back then, just FYI, in order to go to the league early, you had to graduate. But I also got a chance to control the draft. Since I was only a junior and I graduated. You're smart.

I'm done. If a team drafted me, I could drop a class and they would lose the draft pick. And I could apply for a supplemental draft. So I wanted to come to Dallas. Green Bay called me with the seventh pick. I was like, no, dog. I ain't leaving Miami for Green Bay. No, no, no. So, so, so Dallas, Dallas never called and Dallas didn't need to call because Jimmy, I swear to you guys, Jimmy had told me like two weeks before the draft, Michael, I'm going to just let you know, Dallas is going to draft you. And don't be trying none of that old trick shit. I said, what do you mean, coach?

He said, I'm coming a year after you. He said, I got an Oriole buddy of mine who's going to buy the Cowboys. I'll be there next year. So Dallas didn't even call. They just drafted me. And then when I got drafted, everybody thought I was, I don't know, the Antichrist.

Because, you know, I had Omer, it rang in the big rope, and Tom Landry had never drafted, you know, like me. For sure. You know what I mean. I'm going to leave that word blank. Yeah.

But you know. Yeah. So it's funny you say that, that Jimmy told you his old friend, which is Jerry Jones. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, he told me that before. And I was like, yeah, okay, coach.

And I'm going to tell you all this too now. You know, my first year yeah, okay, coach. And I'm going to tell you all this too now. My first year here, oh, oh. I was undefeated in high school and then only lost like two games at Miami in my three years. I came here and we went out in that first game against Pittsburgh. I scored a touchdown. But then they scored, they scored, they scored, they scored. Of course, we got killed.

And I was in the locker room crying like a baby and everybody kept walking up to me talking about, man, we don't do that in the pros. You got to pick up that check. Dude, I was so hurt because the whole idea of what I thought the NFL was just got shattered, you know. And I'll never forget the next year when Jimmy came, I told on every one of them jokers.

I told Jimmy, all of them have to go. These guys have to go. And he got rid of them. And we slowly started turning around. What was it like when Jimmy got there? Like you say, the first year Jimmy wasn't there. What changed when Jimmy Johnson got there? Well, it was Tom Landry had been a great coach for a long time,

and he had done great things here. And a lot of the players had had great success, but they were on the back end. They were the back end. And when you have that kind of success, you have a great bond. And it was hard for him to let some of those great players go. But we needed an infusion of talent and an infusion of speed, and Jimmy brought that.

You know what I mean? When you had Aikman, when you had Emmitt, and you had yourself, when did you know, like, we got something special? Okay, the first year we went 1-15 and I cried after every game. I said, this is horrible. The second year we got Troy because I said all I need is a quarterback. And we got Troy. We only

won one game that year. Won three the first year, three in 31, and the second year. Now, once we got Troy though, I saw something because, you know, it's not just the physical skill set. It's how you see defeat that will

determine how successful you will be. You know, my first year, the guys that I was with, they didn't see defeat right. Now, when Troy came, Troy came, and we won one game, and I'm watching him,

it hurt him as much as it hurt me. So now you got the makings of something. Next year we get in, and we're able to take off. We just had to make sure once we get that nucleus of this is who we are, this is what we will be, then we got to make sure any and everybody that comes to us and is on this team adhere to that, or you got to kick rocks. How important is the run game?

It was everything when we got Emmitt. I had played Emmitt in Miami, and he was at Florida. We beat him down. I mean, we killed him. But he was the bright spot for that team. And then when you see E, it don't look like he's really running. And, dude, E would be in meetings. Sleep.

Like that, just like that. Sleep. I'm like, wake up, man, wake up, wake up, right? And he'll be knocked out. And come Sunday, that joker will run for 200 yards. I said, how did he do that? Next week, I told him, leave him alone. Let that man sleep. Whatever he doing, he needs to do. He was a different dude, dog. He had what you call hit balance. No matter how you hit him, he was going to land back on his feet and keep running. He was phenomenal, man.

Was there ever a time you had to go to eight men or the coach and say, just give me the damn ball? Dude, it's funny you say eight men or the coach. I'm going to assume you're talking about the head coach. Dude, it's funny you say Aikman and the coach. I'm going to assume you're talking about the head coach. Correct. That's totally off limits to me. The head coach or Troy Aikman, I cannot ever go after. Those are the head guys, and we have to have order.

Now, I'm going to be, since we're sitting amongst family, totally real here what I think. You know, I made sure that the quarterback had that power. When I'm in the locker room, I got to make sure that the quarterback has that power. And even if he made a bad throw, I'm going to go to him and say, that's on me. I got it. I'll get the ball. Don't worry about it. I got it. My concerns here with this team is I don't know if that's so true with this team and the autonomy and the power they should be giving Dak Prescott.

You know what I mean? He certainly earned it all. He certainly earned it all. For sure. He certainly earned it all. But that playoff game, when I watched that first play, I think Dak missed C.D. And then it looked like C.D. didn't want to even talk to him anymore. Dude, that kind of stuff is out of bounds.

You know what I mean? You can't do that and expect to have wins or expect to win in games like that. That's what I'm talking about, the collective will. So you got to understand, you got to make the quarterback feels like no matter what. Well, who's the leader? Who's the leader on the Dallas Cowboys to go to a CD and say, you know, hey, I know you didn't get the ball. I know he missed you on that one, but, you know, hey, I know you didn't get the ball. I know he missed you on that one, but, you know, let's keep it together.

Well, and Dak's a great leader, and Dak was trying. He was trying, and, you know, I guess they never really got together and certainly didn't get together on the game. Dak was trying. He was trying. But they, as a team, you have to recognize and understand. We have to have order. And he's the quarterback.

That's the head coach. Nobody, nobody questions that because they're trying to put us in a position to win. We have to have order. And that's just the bottom line. You think Zeke is going to be able to help us out this season? Yeah, I do think Zeke. Because Zeke brings about that order we're talking about. Absolutely.

I told people years ago, a couple years ago, we shouldn't have gotten rid of Zeke, because Zeke brings about that order we're talking about. Absolutely. I told people years ago, a couple years ago, we shouldn't have gotten rid of Zeke. But no, everybody was worried about the money he was making, not the presence he was presenting. And Zeke being the force, you can't build an NFL team without a hammer. Last year, we were an NFL team with no hammer. And you're not going to win things without a hammer. Last year, we were an NFL team with no hammer, and you're not going to win things without a hammer. What was your dislikes from last year's team?

Some things that you saw in the team last year that you didn't like. That was my biggest dislike. The times that you got to line up and be able to say, dude, one yard, game's on the line. Dude, one inch, game's on the line. We had no ability to lay a hammer in that situation. Is it, I know we want to put the players, but can we put the blame on the coaches as well? Because the coach is supposed to be illegal.

At times it looks like Mike McCarthy is not illegal. At times it looks like he's lost. Well, guys, the league has changed now. You know, Jimmy, years that Jimmy coached, it was head coach by dominion over. Now the times that Mike McCarthy is coaching is head coach by partnership. You know, Jimmy was scared the hell out of you. You'll never play again and you ain't going

anywhere and all of that. You had to do whatever. But now, these guys, you're getting $150 million guaranteed. I can't cut you. So I gotta fill away the partnership with you. I gotta try to bring the best out of you using a different

method because fear and control can't be used anymore because you can't be cut. That makes sense. Is there any player in the game right now remind you of yourself? No, none of them jokes that bad. But they're

okay. You know what I'm saying? They okay. And I hear it all the time when people talk about their top tens and all of that. And they'll say all these other jokers. I ain't got no issue with it. I say it like this. I'll give it to Jerry Rice. But as soon as you finish with the Ian Rice, you better start with the Emman Michael.

You know what I mean? And I only played half the time, but last count, we had the same number of rings. You know what I'm saying? I only played nine. He had 18, but we still got three rings. Correct. Correct. You get what I'm saying? So, yeah, it's all good.

If you played right now in today's time, what would your stats look like right now, in this league right now, in this passing league? I wouldn't do that. I'd have Michael Irvin, and then they would have illegal. That's just it. No, but illegal.

They're illegal. Because the way they're throwing the ball, you can't even hit anybody after they catch the ball. Correct. I majored in taking the hit and trading. I traded the concussion for the reception. That's what I was saying to brothers. Dude, I'm willing to trade the concussion for the reception.

So whenever someone knows it's going to hurt you, it'll hurt them as much as it hurt you when they hit you. And you talk about you'll trade the concussion for them. They don't even want to hit you no more. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, it's different right now, man. And that's all good. That's all good.

It's just a different game. For sure. Let's go a little step further. How was it making the transition from the NFL to a broadcast? Like what was that transition like? Well, I've always expected to do exactly that. That's why my degree

in those three years, I majored in business management and organization and my minors were in communication. So I've always wanted to transition into talking about the game. But not only talking about the game, I want you to grasp the depth of it.

It's how do I use the game to try to inspire, you know, give inspiration and motivation to other people. That's the beauty of it. Because the game is so applicable to life. In football, like in basketball, individual isolated success. LeBron can take the ball and dunk it from what take it on one rim and dunk it on the other he does it all by himself or you can stand at home plate and slap a home run all by yourself and golf you stand on the 18 you drop a puck all by yourself. It's individual isolated success.

That's nowhere in anything to do with football do you have any individual isolated success. And truth be known, ain't nowhere in anything that we all do in life. Rather, it's organizations, companies, corporations, and certainly the most important thing, family, where you will have individual isolated success. It's going to require you working with others so I can take all his credentials, many of which, turns out, were not true. It's like, you know, Mr. Ripley meets Catch Me If You Can. I mean, the guy hoodwinked everyone. He was very ambiguous and sketchy, quite honestly, about what the company did and how it made so much money overnight. What prosecutors allege in the indictment is that most of that $12,000

goes directly to Santos' personal bank account. I would go down these rabbit holes and start thinking about, like, what is the nature of truth? What can I actually, like, tell the reader is real about this guy's story? My phone is literally blowing up inquiries about saying, is George going to jail? What's going on? And I'm like, why are you doing this?

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You mean besides getting me out of that hellhole of a ghetto in Miami when I was 15 to 17 kids and we ain't had nothing? Yeah. Nothing? You know what I mean? It really has done everything, though. Ned, you know what I mean? It really has done everything, though. You know, outside of moving my family from one place to another, you know what I mean, and doing all of that.

Now, dude, let me tell you, I have probably five summer homes in Florida. Literally, about five summer homes in Florida. I just got some of the Negroes living in all of them. They won't leave. They've been living for free since 1988. You know, that's what family does. You know what I mean? So what it has done for not just me, but being able to give my family a different kind of life, it's what it really is you know my sister bought me I

remember a pair of sneakers from Kmart and you know they were back in the day where they used to have a big basket in the middle of Kmart and the shoes just tied together and they throw them over you had to go find your size and you know $1.99 yeah and I'll never forget I played basketball I slid all over the court in them but she bought them and in the day I got drafted she looked at me so remember them shoes boy you gotta buy me a house you know and I was like you know but I did get her a house you know so so so that that's what football has done. It's given me the opportunity to give

my family a better life. I'm dealing with that now as people see you becoming successful now. I got a lot of family members that never really had two words to say to me. And now they got all these things

they want. Hey fam, can you do this and that? And me, No, I'm not doing shit Don't they never done? When I was you know struggling and really coming from the bottom trying to get to one get to now y'all wasn't there Now y'all want to be around when we pop in champagne and all that you can watch it on TV Damn sure ain't gonna watch it here in person with me. Yeah, that's family, though. That's family. I mean, God Almighty, it's family.

Amen. And you know, truth me out, the white players don't have to deal with that. But why is that? They just let them get their money and go. They can get all their money and go. Their family don't bother them. But our family will bother us. It's just what it is, man. because they figure they came through with you.

Like my family said, man, I was there with you. You know, like the Bible says, I suffered with you. I should reign with you. Let me get some of this. And, you know, I say okay to that. That's cool. I respect that, Mike. But like I say, man, know like you say man family is

everything but also we know as well family can be your worst downfall as well if you're not careful if you're not careful but but anyone can be a hard downfall that's why the bible says be careful not to connect with people that you're unequallyed. One thing or the other will happen. Either you're going to pull them up or they're going to pull you down. So you just got to remain, it's not the connection, but you got to make sure that you're always pulling up and don't let them pull down. For sure. Now that you've retired, I mean, how does it feel to be a Hall of Famer?

Because not many players will be able to put on this gold jacket that we see here. Millions of players, thousands of players have played the game of football, but only a few have got this jersey, this gold jacket right here. How does that feel? And I just wore the jacket in here because I leave tomorrow for the Hall of Fame and we'll have that first game with Chicago and the Texans. So I'm so excited for the season and everything. But honestly, going to the Hall of Fame, I go over here,

it's the greatest honor in the world for me because I get to see, dude, the guys that I watch play the game, they're still arguing about games. They're still arguing about who filed, who held who, and who did what to who, so you can see that love is never going to leave. You know, when I see the guys that are much older than me and they still have the passion about arguing about a play that happened so long ago, I was like, oh, okay, all right.

You don't ever lose that. And that's what I love. I love going to honor those guys. That's why even in my restaurant right here, I put the ring of honor above the bar. You know what I mean? We can't ever get anywhere and do anything great unless we're honoring the greats that come before

us that means we've allowed them to set the mark for what we should be doing and if they're up there setting the mark then we got nowhere to go but up there also so we have to honor that i'm gonna put you on the spot mike give me your top five greatest receivers ever. Boy, that's a good question, man. And I play with it like this. Since there's such a variance in what is required, consider it on the different offenses. I'll give it to you like this. I'll give you my top five most inspired, the guys that inspired me the most,

and the guys that helped me pull most um and the guys that i that helped me pull to where i am the most and i will put number one be jay rice i mean he was in my locker in college and in my locker in the nfl you make no mistake about it now i lost my father my my junior year going into my senior year of high school. My father never really watched me play, never watched me play. But I grew up watching the Dallas Cowboys with my father. And every time Clutch would make a play, he would always look at me and say, that's how you play, son.

That's how you play son that's how you play clutch was what we called Drew Peterson it was clutch that's how you play that's clutch that's clutch then he called the Hail Mary and you know Hail Mary and all that but but but every catch that I made in the NFL for the Dallas Cowboys, and it was just apropos I was wearing 88, since my father never watched me play, I would always think about the reaction he had to a play that Drew Pearson made. You know what I mean?

When Drew made a catch, and I would put that in my head every time I made a play. So, you know, I, of course, I would put Drew Pearson in there. I remember early on getting a chance to work out with Jim Kelly and Andre Reed. I remember him for the Buffalo Bills. Dude, dude.

I was just a young buck in college, boy, I thought I was it, boy. Andre Reid and Jim Kelly That was everything man To work out with those dudes So I gotta throw I put Andre Reid up in there I wore number 8 in high school

For Kellen Winslow He's a tight end But I gotta put him in there as a pass catcher I'll put him in there And since I always wanted to run fast and I never could, damn, I got to throw Tyreek Hill. Could you imagine if I could run like Tyreek Hill, dude? I would have won four straight national championships. Well, three since I only played three years.

I was in the national championship game. And I had at least six straight championships in the pros. So I got to put that kind of speed in there. What do you think defensive back go through trying to defend Tyreek Hill right now? It's impossible. I put my game on understanding the angles of games and all of those things. So now you put that knowledge with speed, you're done. You know what I mean?

Tyreek Hill has such speed. I never had the speed. I'm going to beat you on the angle, and I'm going to beat you with this big body. You just can't get around and get the ball. But that's what makes you great. You know, because we live in the world now, it's all about speed, 4-2-4, it's 4-3-4.

Right, but that's because they can't hit. You see, so now those guys were there when we were playing, but they could hit you to separate you from the ball. So they limit. Just like you put that doo-doo in your pants. Yeah. They were putting doo-doo in their pants. So now that they can't hit like that, ain't no more doo-doo in the pants.

And so that speed become dangerous, man. That speed become dangerous. And, yeah, I understand that's why people want it. When you looked at your calendar as a Cowboy player, what team, you know, you didn't like the most? Like, you know what, I'm feeling, you know, I'm feeling, I know I got a dog fight on my hands. Well, it started out, dude, when I first got here now,

y'all remember, it was Cowboys and Redskins. And I don't want nobody, well, you can't cancel me. Nah, man, it's the Redskins. It's the Redskins. That's what I'm saying. It's the Redskins. We'll say Redskins. And those were the best, dog.

Those Cowboys and Redskins games, that was real, dog. And then there was Daryl Green. The first year, let me tell you, the first year I played, and Del, I was like, man, Del Green, he going to play me? And Del Green came out. I said, oh, my God, they're putting Del Green on me. You're right. He's small, though.

And I went, man, I went off. I had 166 yards. I know you think he's small. 166. But I tell everybody, I think I called two touchdowns, 166 yards or something in that game. I always say that. But Darrell Green got hurt early on.

That was really on somebody else. You know what I mean? I beat down some other joker. Darrell got hurt early. Right? It do. But then I did get a chance to have some pretty good games against Darrell Green. And he was the man in the league at that time.

He was the Deion Sanders of the National Football League. And in that time, you know, we had prison mentality. You go on the yard, you beat the baddest man on the yard, you become the baddest man on the yard. How was those battles with prime time? Not only when you played against him, but you also had to play with him and practice against him as well. What was those battles like?

You know, what's funny, too, and true to form is the dudes that I battled against are my best friends now. I lie to you not like Aeneas Williams. And I always say to get my gold rings, I went through gold jackets. To get my gold rings, I went through gold jackets because I got followed on the whole football field by Nia Williams, Rod Woodson, Del Green, Deion Sanders, Champ Baby. He get left off the list a lot. Rod Woodson was one of them ones. He's one of what?

He's one of them ones. Like his name don't come up enough. Rod, bad boy, man. But now the baddest man in the world was Deion Sanders. For sure. Don't fool nobody. Don't fool yourself on it. It was the baddest man in the world was Deion Sanders. For sure. Don't fool nobody. Don't fool yourself on it. It was Deion, the baddest man in the world.

But all of those boys were bad boys right there, man. All of them. And they're all great friends. I go to Washington and speak with Del Green right now. When I go, I stayed at his house. I went to Del Green. I stayed at his house. And I said, man, where am I sleeping?

He said, man, you're going to sleep over here. He put me in a bedroom in the basement. Over the bed, this is a true story, on the top of the Joker's bed, he got a picture of him intercepting a ball in front of me. I said, Darryl, I don't ever remember this happening. He told me, no, dog, no, my students painted that. That ain't no real picture. I said, I know it ain't real because it never happened, Darryl.

But, you know, he's my best friend, man. I love Darryl. I love Dion. That's my boy. You go to my room right here, you'll see many pictures of me and Dion. It's amazing. The guys that I battled the hardest against against now we seem to be the best friends that's that's dope that's that's dope Mike uh I respect that a lot but uh fast forward into now

man you know becoming an entrepreneur now man like what's life like after football dude like life is my my life is all, I've been blessed, dude. I mean, I worked for the NFL making some pretty good money since 1980. Oh, for sure. For a long time, you know. Made some even. I don't know how

how I stayed in so long. I just don't know how. I saw some good men fall by the wayside, you know what I'm saying? But somehow God just kept me up there, man. It's been a great world for me, man. It's been a great life.

I'm just a pure football player. There's nothing to it. Without football, I would be, yeah, not in a good place. I'm just a pure football player, man. So I'm thankful that I had that opportunity to have that kind of career on the field and then off the field.

I mean, I won championships, like I said, at every level that I played. And then I left the school and won and got in the broadcasting Emmy, saying, okay, you were bad over here too. You know what I'm saying? So when I look back over it, the history I have written, I'm pretty proud of. And the reason why I bring that up, because we were right here today filming at your spot, you know, Playmakers 88. You know, it's a great field, great atmosphere.

Like you said, you can put the ring thing over the bar, ring of honor thing over the bar. And because in times, today's time, we see a lot of players when they retire, they don't know how to transition. They don't know what the next step is. And, you know, I was just, a reason why I was bringing it up, you know, is any kind of encouragement you could give them or anything. But the hard part, all of them have. And the hard part is, can you be determined?

Can you dedicate yourself? And it takes that to make it to the NFL. Now, we are so used to having our lives scheduled up all the time. It's all scheduled. So this way, this way, when we leave football, now we've got to figure out how do we schedule up our life. And that's where guys fell. So I like to even try to help guys find out what they're passionate about.

You may not be as passionate about it as football, but it will give you something that you can focus on and direct yourself to. Like in the offseason when football was over, what was you doing in the offseason? Dude, when I was playing, I was crazy, man. Jimmy used to do, you know, the season ended in February, won a Super Bowl. So that means my birthday was March 5th, right? So that means my birthday was March 5th. Right? So to me, I had about a month to wild the hell out.

And Jimmy would always say, hey, y'all get away from football. Go have a blast. I said, you better believe it, coach. Right? For about that month. For about that month, boy. Boy, hey, boy. You're going down through, guys. Hey, boy, I was 10-toes down. Boy, I was that month, boy, boy, hey, boy. You're going down through, girl.

Hey, boy, I was ten toes down, boy, I was out there, boy. I ain't gonna lie to you, I was out there. And I would always throw my last party on my birthday, right, wilding out, March 5th, that last day,

and then March 6th, I'm back to training. Yeah. Back to training, boy. It was, you know, yeah. Yeah, that was always, ooh, I can't even talk about them stories. Yeah, those were good days.

Well, hey, Mike, this is part of the show. When we do the Hell No segment, I'm going to ask you a couple questions, and you can give us Hell No. Okay, I got you. Okay, do you eat mushrooms? Oh, Hell No. No, sir, rebar. But I want to say this.

I really don't. And my boy RJ, he said to me, let me make you something. He made a mushrooms burger. He made a burger. Dude, the burger, it was a great burger. I said, you got to make sure you put that burger on the menu. You know what I'm saying? And I've never eaten mushrooms.

Never. I just can't take that slime. I'm like, no, y'all know what I'm saying? And I've never eaten mushrooms. Never. I just can't take that that slimy like, mm, mm, no. Y'all know what I can't take it in my mouth. So, no. That shit just nasty, period.

Nasty. Do you ever see yourself being an NFL head coach? Hell no. Why not? Not that I couldn't do it. I would be an excellent head coach. An excellent head coach.

But the more I whoop your ass, the more you gonna dig into my ass. You gonna dig into my ass. You gonna dig into my past. And you gonna be bringing that stuff up. And I just, I don't want you to break all that up. So I'm just, see, Deion, I tell you, he's perfect for it.

Deion's perfect for it. You know, never drink, never smoke, don't do anything. They can dig all they want. They won't find anything. But, yeah, I don't want them dead bodies to start rising again. I don't need it, no. Speaking of Coach Prime, I just left him. He gave me a gem.

He told me something. He pulled me to the side and said, look, Bubba Dub, where you from, a lot of people are not going to see who you become. They only see who you used to be. Yeah. Real deal. That stuck with me when you told me that. It made sense.

No matter what you go and do in life, to certain people, you're only going to be a certain person. They're only going to see you a certain way. So like you say, when you left Miami back where you was and go to the NFL and do good, some people only get to see you as just Mike. This guy who come from the struggle

or this, that, and the third. How did you juggle that coming from your upbringing into fame and money? Time and I used to talk about that all the time. Dion, call him Time. We used to talk about that all the time. Dion, call him Time. We used to talk about that all the time. And we talked about sometimes even looking at it on the other side.

You know, why do they do that? Not just that it happens, but why do they do it? And we surmise this. Like sometimes people for their own sake and their own sanity have to say, oh, man man you just that dude who I grew up with because they look and then if they may be in conflict because they didn't do it so the only way they can make peace with where they are is is to remind them do you just like me you know you nobody's special

you know that kind of stuff so so so i i i understand it i don't take to it you know what i mean because it is what it is it's most of the time the mentalities that keep us where we are well we if we can raise our mentality we can raise our reality correct that's for real so yeah we talk we used to talk about that all the time so you still go back home and try to encourage. You know, you're going to deal with them brothers. I'll laugh with them and then try to lift them up and share with them later about, come on, man. You know what I mean?

Don't hate on a brother. You got something in you. Let's go get it and try to pull it out of you. But, yeah, a lot of times it's just the only way they can make peace with themselves. When you say that, do you be brutally honest with people when they ask you certain things about them? Hey, man, do you think I can do this and that? Do you be brutally honest with them?

Well, I'm going to be honest. Now, my delivery, I'm going to deliver it in a way that hopefully I'm going to be most effective. You know, I'm a communicator. I understand the greatest gift, the gift of communication is not just the words that I put. It's also how the one that is receiving those words receive. So I want to make sure that I'm educated on both sides of it. You know, so I want to deliver something good for you, something good to you,

but I have to make sure I know how I'm delivering it so it can be good for you and good to you. So yeah, I monitor not just what I say, but also how I say it, because I want to be most effective. That's the reason why I asked that, because I have a lot of people hit me up all the time and tell me they want to be comedians.

Like, true story, I had my pastor hit me up and tell me he wanted to be a comedian. I said, nigga, stop. Ain't nothing about you funny, bro. Like, what makes you want to be a comedian now, man? I know you can deliver the word, but you can't deliver the jokes. Like, let's be reasonable. Don't get on her line saying, God, call her, you can deliver the word, but you can't deliver the jokes. Let's be reasonable. Don't get on her line saying, God, call you to tell jokes. Right.

But I don't know anybody that don't think they're funny. Everybody think they're funny. That's what I'm saying. It's just your level of funny ain't going to get you no money. You see what I'm saying? Your level of funny will get you some money. His level of funny won't get him any money. But he thinks he's funny.

For sure. Everybody thinks they're funny. Until they get on the stage. Until. And they got the people in front of them. A whole different thing. And then the people say, yeah. And then most people think, ah, that just wasn't the right audience.

Before they think they're not funny. They say they're a lot too, but then like you say when they get into the audience that they want. It's the same thing Every time like people understand being a stand-up comedian on the hardest thing in the world to do because you have to entertain people Have alone you on stage you have to entertain people people sweat their hard-earned money They want to laugh right Right. And this business, with the internet world going on, if you go out there and do a show, and you're bummed,

it's going viral. They're going to post it, they're going to show everybody, look, this guy ain't what y'all think he is. So I feel like being a stand-up comedian is one of the hardest things that you could ever do. Correct, man.

And we can think about it. You don't even know the audience that's coming in. You know what I mean? You don't know if your jokes going to vibe with the audience that you got coming in. And so you see a different audience, then you have to adjust your jokes. You know what I mean? That ain't no easy thing to do on the fly.

So you got to connect. Yeah, that is. I wouldn't want the job. But in every genre now, you got to entertain. Correct. You know, it used to be, even in the business that you're entering now, sports analysis, sports broadcasting, it used to be about delivering information. You know what I mean?

But the reality is we get all the information on these very things we call a smartphone. And so now you have to make sure in order to hold people, you have to entertain people. Then you try to educate people and you hope to edify people. I got in an argument with someone one time on TV about Stephen A. Stephen A. Smith said to me one day, I said, man, our job is to entertain, educate, and edify. He said, wait a minute, you messed up. Educate and edify means the same thing. It's how big the difference.

Educate means I gather knowledge. I gain knowledge. Edification means the knowledge I gather made me a better person. You see what I'm saying? So that's what I'm talking about, the depth of the conversation. This is part of the show where we're going to pass the microphone around. Y'all can ask any question that you want to ask. I don't give a damn what it is.

Ask it. We're going to answer it the best way we can. And once again, from me and Mike, we want to thank y'all personally for coming out and hanging with us tonight, man. Hello, my name is Kesa Jackson. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you also. Nice, my name is Kisa Jackson. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you also. Nice to meet you, Ms. Jackson.

Nice to meet you also, sir. Sorry, Ms. Jackson. I am from... Okay, I'm going to let that go. I know, you know. I'm going to let that go. Talk to her. Okay, so first of all, thank you for the invite.

Thank you for all that you've done within the DFW community. My question is about financial literacy as well as generational wealth. Me being a mother of a NFL player, eight years, veteran, shout out to Jalen Mills, Green Goblin. So my question is, what is it that you think that we need to do as a community to continue generational wealth and i'm not like with the n is it nio nio now college players are allowed to receive funds so i think that that's great but are we teaching them about generational wealth what do you think that we should do as parents to make sure that our children are not just out here, you know, depleting their funds and then not in the NFL anymore and no longer have those funds to subside that income or lifestyle that they've been accustomed to.

income or lifestyle that they've been accustomed to. So you as Michael Irving, who has created that for your family, what advice would you give to us as parents with upcoming athletes on how to make sure that they are not just spending their money, but making sure that it is being generated to make sure they have generational wealth? That's a great question. That's generational wealth? That's a great question. That's my question. That's a great question. It's something all our seriously, we struggle with.

We struggle with. Now, and it's so amazing, I said before, my major is business. You have to understand business. before my major is business you have to understand business there's a reason we call money currency because money truly to have a strong economy must flow I'm going to go a little left on this we we hear places like what they call a Korean town everybody in the Korean town is being successful because they keep the money in the community. Money flows in that community. All the businesses are doing well. The people in the community are doing well because money is flowing. They have jobs. They're working. They're spending

money in the community. Money is flowing. So that Korean town is prosperous. You're going to have a Chinatown. Same thing. They're making money with jobs. So that Korean town is prosperous. You're going to have a China town. Same thing. They're making money with jobs. Everything, money is flowing. Money is flowing. Money is flowing. So that means that's a prosperous community. When we all get together, we don't spend in the same community.

We make money to get outside the community. So the money really doesn't flow. So we don't have those great communities because we're not spending with each other. You ask about passing down generational wealth. I attend conferences and speak with financial guys that are in charge of families worth billions and billions of dollars. And they take time to speak to the kids of those families about the wealth that they're going to be coming into when they're kids when they're kids so these families have been doing this for generations most of us most of us and I was kidding earlier I said man white people have to deal with

his white little have to deal with it I was jokingly serious because they really don't. But the reality is they don't because their family has been in that cycle that you're asking me about. We are the first to put our families in that cycle now. You see what I mean? So now when we get that wealth, we have to make sure, since I'm going to spend it with my family, I've got to make sure they understand that wealth. I'm just going to tell you, I'm not going to be that joker. You know what I mean? The reality, like everything I make, I don't make it.

It goes to the Michael Orr, it goes to the Irvin Dynasty Trust. Every dime. Irvin Dynasty Trust. You're not going to hit me with taxes. You're not going to hit me with death taxes. Every dime. Irving Dynasty Trust. You're not going to hit me with taxes. You're not going to hit me with death taxes. Death taxes. Because the Dynasty Trust is all of my family members. So when I pass on, they'll become another conservative who will be my oldest daughter.

But you're not going to drag out our death taxes and take away half of my estate. You're not going to hit me every time I give my mother some money. If I give my mother $1,000, it's too easy numbers. If I give her $1,000 and my tax bracket is way up there, that's like giving her $1,500. But if I give her within this trust that $1,000, then I can present to her the tax papers that she can pay it at her tax rate, which is a lot less than 50% or 40%. You see what I'm saying? So now it's just not what I make.

It's how I dispense what I make. This is where we have to go. This is where we have to understand in order to create what you're talking about, generational wealth. Or all we're going to do is leave money to somebody that's going to run through it. I refuse to do that. Right. So, okay, so one more question. So I think even with you saying trust, I don't think a lot of people understand when you reach a certain stature

in life, as far as your finances, about creating trust. Like, I understand that. Creating a trust. But most people don't understand. Right, right, right. So can you just elaborate on that just a little bit more for me? Trust protects me against craziness. Right, it does. Now, let me tell you guys something.

You remember, unfortunately, I'll use a horrific event to explain something here. You remember all of the O.J. Simpson stuff. And then the Goldman's sued O.J. Simpson. Excuse me. They sued O.J. Simpson. Excuse me. They sued O.J. Simpson. And they won.

So they're able to take everything he has. But they couldn't get that $45,000 a month he got or whatever he got every month. Or that Heisman trophy. No, they got the Heisman. They couldn't find it. They didn't get the Heisman. He hid it. But that's okay.

But they also didn't get the Heisman. But they couldn't break that trust. Right. They couldn't stop at $40,000 a month he got away because he put it in the trust. It protects you against all things and everything. And we got to get that kind of financial literacy going on in our community to understand those kinds of things so that we can be successful. We make the money. We're the most creative people in the world.

We come up with great ideas. We put the TVs in the back of headsets at rest, but we don't understand the reality of putting a patent on things before we start putting on Instagram and showing everybody. And then the other man steals it. And he says he puts a patent on it. And we put the holes in the roof of the car to put lights through. But then Rose Wurst took it and put a patent on it. And now making all the money with it. This is the difference

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He is. Tell him to start putting his trust in hoes. Oh, he has it. No, my son is gay. You gotta trick this shit, man. No, no, no, no, no. You gotta get back to the hoes, man. No, no, no, no, no.

You gotta invest. I know you a mother, and I know you want his best interest. But the man gotta trust in the hoes. I'm glad you said that. So my son is married. And I know you want his best interest, but the man got a trust in the whole What I call you plot miker Going on with that human, when I first got here, I had this car. And you couldn't put the whole word Playmaker on it. And it was a little BMW, man, M3.

First time you Texans ever saw chrome rims. And I didn't even put any tint on the windows. You had that fight with Ricky Dixon. Right, right, right, right, right. I did, I did, I did. I did, I windows. You had that fight with Ricky Dixon. Right, right, right, right. I did, I did, I did. I did, I did. You had a fight with him, right? And on my tag, it said Plymaker.

Because I couldn't put Playmaker on it. It didn't take all the words. And he always called me that. The Plymaker. So, Mike, so you just spoke on something about the trust. But I didn't know. I'm a rookie. I walk in the locker room and Gene Upshaw walks in

he's the leader of the NFLPA and so we don't know about the CBA which is the Collective Bargain Agreement. Gene Upshaw walked in that building. What happened? Well Gene, this is the first time they were introducing

the salary cap. Exactly. This is the first time they were introducing the salary cap. Exactly. This is the first time they were introducing the salary cap. As I said to you guys prior, I'm a football player. I understood what they were doing. I don't know that all of my teammates understood what they were doing. We did not. And I said, here is the gist of what they're doing. I said, they're asking

now to in order to pay one player, I gotta take it from the other. But now, us in the locker room, we gotta have a bond. But each man is going to be hearing, well, in order to pay my career, I'm gonna take money from you, you, you,

you, you. And the middleman was gonna get cleaned out. And I said, the middle man's going to lose in this deal. The middle man's going to lose. And I said, Gene, that's fucked up. Yeah. I said, it's fucked up. That's not right. You're not being right. And Mike was butt naked and walked up the stairs. Well, I wasn't butt naked when I walked in,

but I did show him my ass when I walked out. You know what I mean? Because I told him, my job was to build champion. And I got to build men together Because I told them, my job was to build champions, and I got to build men together. And you just made my job more difficult, because now I got to take from one man to pay another.

And that man cares about his family, and he wants to feed his family, and he's going to hear that I had to take his money to give to you, and I got to be in a huddle with that man. It was fucked up, the whole premise of what he gave. That was just the reality. And my other brothers didn't understand it.

But I spread the Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John for all. The Matthew, that's the gospel for all, and they got it. For sure. So, Bubba W., you were saying you played football, and you was, like, hitting towards earlier along the lines of like, was you trying to say that you could hold on? You're saying could I hold the Hall of Fame with Michael Irvin? I mean, you was hitting along the lines.

At this age, that was something that you was standing there trying to say. Could I hold Michael Irvin? Can you at this age, right now, today? All right, now, hell yeah right now, today? Oh, right now? Hell yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Absolutely. You got a shot right now.

You got a shot right now. Right now, yeah. These knees ain't having it. These knees ain't having it. I'm going to tell you all a story, man. I played cornerback in high school. Bro, I mean, that cut you out. I was small.

I'm going to be honest with you, G. You ain't holding up today. Right now? Shit, at all. At all. It to be honest with you, G. You ain't holding up today. Right now? Shit. At all. At all. It ain't happening. Hey, hey, look at his arms.

That nigga look like a Spartan. Arms ain't never beat no damn body. It's huge to take me. And these knees ain't going for it right now, dog. See? These knees ain't going for it. Boy, I used to mess with Jokers when I was playing, right? And I said, man, you jokers.

I used to see brothers. I said, y'all just lifting weight. Them muscles ain't functional. That's what I used to say to them jokers because they were on the beat just curling up. I said, nigga, nigga, you ain't functional. You just got muscle. But now I'm that dude. I think a better question would be like.

Nigga, they ain't functional like that. You know what I mean? Them knees can't move like that, though. Y'all should do a pros versus Joe. You think you'll be in basketball, maybe? Yeah. Pro versus Joe. Yeah, pros versus Joe. Because I ain't gonna lie to y'all. And I'm just looking at y'all on the couch. Look at his arms. I'm good for about five minutes. I can't look at his arms. I'm good for about

five minutes. I can't look it back at my sister. I'm good for about 35. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all good, B. That's all good.

B, now listen, man. You say you play wide receiver. Yeah. You play some receiver, too. That's that thing right there. You said it.

When you got to catch that ball, you know them Jokers are hollering. Every third down and three, four, they said, watch Mike Irvin on the slant. You knew they were going to hit you. It's just a matter of can you go get that ball, and you know this hit is coming. That's the different thing in the NFL from now on. I wasn't going to get it, Mike. The ball was hitting too goddamn hard.

They were hitting for real. I used up on that goddamn slant. Yeah, yeah. I swear to you guys, every time they called the slant right, I was scared. But I would always line up. And the thought that would come to my head was like, nigga, you either run this slant or you run back to the ghetto. And then I was like, hey, hey, hey.

Run that slant for sure. I bust their ass on that slant. After that, I ain't going back to the ghetto. And then I was like, hey, hey, hey. Run that slant for sure. I bust their ass on that slant. After that, I ain't going back to that ghetto. Oh, but what you got, mama? Hi, my name is Crystal. I'm from Grand Prairie. Bubba Dub, I'm a huge fan. Michael Irvin, my husband, down there, he's a huge fan of yours and the Cowboys.

My question is to you, Bubba Dub. How are you feeling? I saw your post earlier today about Burger King. So I wanted to know how you're feeling tonight. Oh, yeah, Mike, man. I'm looking at Burger King, man. I shit for 12 hours. Man, I recommend.

I'm telling y'all people right now, don't go to Burger King after 1 p.m. But my stomach's still fucked up. I'm glad I'm here now. I can get some good food. Here at Playmakers at 8. Burger King, kill my damn stomach. I need a United States veteran, Desert Storm, and earlier you told me that you'm a United States veteran. There's a storm and earlier you touched on something that touched my heart, Michael. And I just want to ask, with your platform, do you plan on addressing the issues for us veterans? We get health care, but we don't get dental care.

Right. You know, the system is so slow. We do not have any celebrities like you and Brother Doug or anyone really advocating for us. and brother dub are anyone really advocating for us so my question to you is can you please maybe reach out to some of the people that you are connected with to get them involved to get this ball rolling because not only the mental aspect of it but it's also the mental aspect of it, but there's also the physical aspect of it. We're losing veterans on a high average more than we ever did. Can you speak to that a little bit? My man, first of all, we all owe everyone that has served a great, great debt of gratitude.

We can't repay it. It's impossible to repay. I had no intention of getting into this business. But the reality is when someone jumps in your battle, you have to jump in their battle. You guys jumped in the battle and fought for us. The life that we live, this obsession that we have with sports and being able to enjoy it is all under the comfort of your covering. of your covering.

And then when you come back from serving and protecting us and giving us that covering, the treatment we give is just absolutely unacceptable. Or we talk a good game with our mouth game, but we deliver they're not

with our reality. And that is so sad, man. And we all, we all here in America should be ashamed of it. That that is so sad, man. And we all, we all here in America should be ashamed of it. That's the one thing, I don't care a lot of things, and we can talk about how great this country is,

that we have failed in. For sure. In servicing our servicemen. The Bible says those that serve us all are the greatest of us all. You put down yourself for everybody else, man. That is biblical and spiritual. I apologize for what we have done. I apologize for what we have done. Me personally, as being a man here in America, man, you know, a lot of our women,

we go out here and they try to choose the men with celebrities or men with money or dope dealers. And when all and truly, I feel like you hoes should be choosing these veterans. These veterans need to be taken care of in a very special way. This is true. More than anything else. You're saying the hoes should... I'm saying the ho if any holes in the middle you for someone that can be solid you know for anybody you know the

memory right because you know I have to go to the VA meetings and these doctors, and they're going to get to see the doctor. At least they can see a real head doctor. I can take that. I can take that. He's going to take it a whole other place, but I can take that. What you got, bro? What you got for me? Hello. My name is Michael.

I had a question about you playing against DBs. Did you like any schemes or to avoid schemes or any DBs you wanted to play against or not play against? Well, man, I felt I was different in my attack of players. My mindset was always, if I want to beat a player, I'll attack his weakness. If I want to break a player, I'm going to attack his strength. So any player that I had to play twice, I'm going to go ahead and attack your strength. So if you're a physical player, I may be able to out-quick you if I'm going to play you once a year.

But if I'm going to play you twice a year and you think you're physical, I'm going to be out-physical. So you have nowhere to run i have a methodology about how i attack everybody i played against to assure my victory not just today but tomorrow in forevermore what you got right. Mike, we talked a little earlier. You were my favorite. Dez is my second. And CeeDee is my third. And they're all 88s.

See, the first 88, I wasn't around, so I can't really speak on him. Right. But my question is not for you. It's for you. Bubba, when did you become a Dallas Cowboy fan? And what made you become a Dallas Cowboy fan? And what made you become a Dallas Cowboy fan? I've always been a Dallas Cowboy fan My whole family has been a Dallas Cowboy fan I remember having posters on my wall

Of Michael Irvin, Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith I've always been a Dallas Cowboy fan Like I say I would say 1992 What made you what made you we everybody will be associated with the Cowboys winning I'm from Texas and everybody was going for the Cowboys now we're gonna be a cowboy fan man. Who don't want to be a cowboy fan, period. Who don't want to fucking be a cowboy fan? What part of Texas are you from?

I'm from Alto, Texas. I'm from East Texas. I'm a East Texas baby, man. Ain't shit up or red dirt. I'm over there. I got you. In regards to how society is today

with social media, what advice do you have to give growing influencers and entrepreneurs using social media? Because I know mental health has been a major issue. So what advice, with you coming up through your social media platform and everything you have done, what advice do you give people out there that may want to follow your steps in this? And then also in regards to mental health, how do you sustain your mental health through having your platform and being an influencer? I would say the number one thing is being consistent. You have to be consistent in the social media game. You have to constantly be in people's face.

So if you're putting out a skit or a video, if you're putting out videos, starting out, you have to put out at least 15 videos a week. You have to constantly be in people's face. You have to have a foundation started of what you're doing. When I started out in 2017, I was doing snitching skits. And when I was doing the snitching skits back then,

it never been seen. It was an unknown thing to snitch on people where I'm from. You can't be a snitch, but I played a snitch. And at that time, I was playing that. Everybody knew it was Tekoski69. He started snitching

or whatnot. And it kind of hit. But I would say the number one thing in that, in anything you're doing on social media, is just being consistent in anybody dealing with mental health issues. You have to have a strong foundation. The internet will eat you alive. What I mean by eat you alive, they can love you one day and hate you the next minute. We live in a council culture. You say the wrong things, people don't like you anymore and not follow you anymore. But be true to your heart. Cater to your audience. No matter what nobody say, cater to your audience.

We have nothing to worry about. And put the work in. Don't take anything for granted. Like I said, I started in 2017. I didn't really get on Instagram to really 2020. 2020 taking it serious and believing in yourself because you're going to have a lot of people come to you and tell you you ain't going to do the best you can do the best you can do but the number one thing is

believing in yourself once you believe in yourself everything else will come to you okay Mr. Irvin, I did say this question for him and you. So the initial question, well, for you, the question I would like to ask you is,

and let me just get homage. Thank you for being a GOAT. Literally. Thank you very much. So, what advice would you give the upcoming NFL players that are being drafted in the NFL and the NFL players that may have five years longevity as of right now? What advice would you give them in regards to being in the NFL and just being a player of the game?

All of life is about sustainability. You know, if I surmise it and give it to you quickly, in a quick quote, I would say, live in your destiny and not your history. your living your living your destiny and not your history what I mean by that is don't make decisions from your pain make all your decisions on your promise most guys get in the NFL comes from someplace that what maybe they didn't have anything like me we come from a hard place, single, whatever. And you get there, and you get a big sign-in bonus. And you say, oh, I'm going to buy me a house.

I'm going to buy my mom a house. I'm going to pay cash for it all because they gave me all this cash. And you're only doing it because you watch your mom or you watch your cousin or somebody get their house taken. So you say, ain't nobody will ever take my house. So you're spending from your past. I'm going to pay $5 million for this home, and I'm going to spend $2 million on this home, when the reality is your promise says go borrow that money.

You go borrow that money, and you don't touch your principal, and you collect interest on that principal, and you'll't touch your principle and you can make interest on that principle and you'll collect enough interest on that first one to pay off that loan that you borrowed we're never touching that principle if you're spending on your promise and not spending on the pain of your past you see what I'm saying we be willing to get it when the Bible says that your gift has put you in a place that your person is not prepared for. That's what it means.

That's exactly what it means. So now that your gift has you here, don't let your person mess it up. Absolutely. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you all for tuning in to the Bubba Toe Show. Man, we had a legend, Hall of Famer. It's a pleasure to sit down with you, Mike, and learn about, you know what I'm saying,

the transitions you made from the Hall of Fame career to a broadcaster, to letting people know about the newest shit that you do, being the owner here of the Playmakers Restaurant 88, if you come to Dallas, Texas, you got to come to this spot here at Playmakers. Man, great food, great atmosphere. You're in the presence of a champion. You know, everybody can't say there was a champion.

A lot of people that played the game, they can say they played the game, but everybody was fortunate or blessed to be a champion. A lot of people that played the game, they can say they played the game, but everybody was fortunate or blessed to be a champion. You ain't just a champion. You're a three-time champion. You're a college champion. You won it. Every level, Mike. I just

want to say thank you from a man like me who's never played in the NFL, never played no professional sports ever in my life, but the grace to stage with you is an honor, it's a blessing, and I want to say personally for me, thank you for sitting down with me and my fans and giving us the opportunity to learn more about you than we already knew. I want to say thank you as a man, thank you as a brother for coming on the show.

And there's plenty more to come, and I want y'all, anything you want to say, anything you want to say thank you as a man, thank you as a brother for coming on the show. And there's plenty more to come. And I want y'all, anything you want to say, anything you want to say to the people. Right, right. And first of all, as I said to you, I'll see you next week in Shreveport. I'm going to come out there to see the show. Because you're my dog. And we're going to hit that little, what I call, shit-kicking town. We're going to hit it together. It's report. But on the real

of all of it, man, I appreciate the genre in which you have chosen. All of it. We can have a football crowd, basketball crowd, baseball crowd. There are a lot of crowds that you can categorize people in but no matter what crowd you go to the world you are in we all yearn for and that's laughter man so you get to touch everybody because laughter crosses everything so it's a joy for me to be here with you, man. And I appreciate it. I can appreciate your transition. Keep doing what you're doing. And you know I'm here for anything you need, my brother.

You know that. For sure. Thank y'all for tuning in to the Booger Dub Show, man. We'll see y'all when we see y'all. Thank y'all. God bless. The Volume. hoodwinked everyone. How did George Santos convince everyone that he was someone else? And how deep do his lies go? Listen to Deep Cover George Santos on the iHeartRadio app,

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