Club Shay Shay - Time to Pay Terry McLaurin + Ocho Top 5 WR All-Time?!

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson get heated over the Washington Commanders still not paying star WR Terry McLaurin. Ocho reacts to making the Top 5 wide receivers of all time from the 2000s! 49:23 - A.J. Brown’s mindset for next season after winning Super Bowl 1:03:04 - Unc and Ocho Command payment for Terry McLaurin 1:12:02 - Top 5 WRs from the 2000s   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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AJ Brown admitted surprise at his current mindset. Coming into the league, we were taught we're playing for this reason. We're playing for the trophy. And once we got the trophy, it was just like, I thought everything would be fulfilled. Like the hard work and everything. But no, it's a journey. It's the journey that matters the most, that means the most. Because those are the moments you look back with your teammates, those that you're spending time with, you're going to war with, you're suffering together, you're winning together. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, once you... Look, I wanted to be a Pro Bowl player. I wanted to be an all-Pro player, and I wanted to win a championship. I didn't think about no Hall of Fame. I didn't even realize the Hall of Fame until Mark Keisler told me in 96, like, man, he's like, bro, you could put together a couple more years, you can go to the Hall of Fame.

I was like, what? I like, they take seven rounds in the Hall of Fame. He's like, it don't matter what you get drafted in, they go by production. I was like, okay. That was the first time that I had really even gave a thought. Now, mind you, Ocho, in 91,

we played in the Hall of Fame game. I went to that very building that my bus resides in. Not even thinking. Man, it never even done. Bro, I'm from Glenville. I'm from Savannah State. Hall of Fame? Yeah.

And Joe Green in the Hall of Fame. Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, the greats are the greats in the Hall of Fame. Legends. Yes, but you realize, and it's not good enough to make one Pro Bowl, because hell anybody can do it once. Yeah.

Can you go back when they know you the guy? When they game plan for your ass? Over and over. Can you get, can you become an All-Pro again when they game plan it for you? Yeah. When you walk to the middle of the field, man, hell of a game, Sean.

Man, Ocho A, man, you gave us that work today, Ocho A. Don't worry about it, we'll see your ass again. Yeah, that's what I want. I want, when y'all go to meeting on Wednesday, I want y'all to circle to A, that tight end of 84. We gotta deal with him. And I totally agree with AJ because there's nothing like, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what,

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but you're not gonna be around 10, 11 guys that y'all laughing and joking about, you're never gonna be like that again. It's never gonna be like that again, old Joe. No, it's not. And listen, and just, but what you just talked about, about A.J. Brown, I've become a little bit more fond of young Bull, man.

As of late, hearing some of young Bull Man as of late, hearing some of the things he's talked about. I'm not gonna get into detail on it, but his perspective on life and other topics that I've seen him speak on. He's become a huge, a huge favorite of mine, not even the receiver, AJ Brown. I'm talking about the human being.

The person. The husband, the person he is, and values and morals in which he stands. And I never knew that about him. I never knew it about him because I've never had the opportunity to interact with him outside of the game of football. But hearing him and where he stands,

you know, and his beliefs, though, very, very, very admirable from the outside looking in on what I thought the individual was like, you know, based on what I see on the field, but in who he truly is off the field. Dude, I love dude, man. I love, he real sharp. He sharp, and he got a sharp mind, man.

So, it was a joy to see him in a different light than what I expected based on the football player that I got to watch on Sundays. Mm-hmm. I remember we won the Super Bowl, and obviously, man, it ain't nothing like it. Like I said, we broke the NFC. The NFC had run 14 straight Super Bowls, Ocho. See?

And to win it and to hold that trophy, to actually be on the field, to have the confetti come down to your colors, and you've got the trophy. Now think about how many times I've seen the Super Bowl winning team go on the field and get that trophy, and everybody's looking at it. Now I finally have it.

Yeah. A small kid from Glenville, Georgia, went to Savannah State and seventh round draft pick. And I'm the starting tight end. They pronounced my name and everything. And everybody in Glenville said, you know what? I know somebody that actually played in the Super Bowl. As a matter of fact, I probably went to school with him,

his brother or his sister. That was me. And winning that trophy, that was like, that was at that point in time, probably the crowning achievement of my career. And I remember going into the off season and I'm like, cause back then, you know, 16 games, Ocho, and then, you know, we had to still had the two weeks.

And so we started playing, I mean, first week. So I think the SUBO was damn near like the end of January. It wasn't then, it didn't bleed into February. And I just remember like the off-season Ochoa, I was like, man. So I took about an extra week off and got back into it. And I remember when we came back to OTAs and Mike got up in there and was

like, Hey, congratulations, guys. I'm proud of this. I'm proud of you guys. He said, if you want to be special, you got to do it again. Yeah. There are a lot of teams that's one one in a row. He said, if you want to go, you want to be special, you want to be remembered, we got to go back to back. And that was the mindset that we adopted. And I remember once to see, we came out of training, I mean, we had a great, you know, as a matter of fact, we had a great training camp, everything was great, we had fun, we were having fun.

And Mike would put... Like, most teams have their schedule up, they're all 16 games. Right. We put one game at a time. But when like most teams have their schedule up, they're all 16 games. Right. We put one game at a time. He said, this is a 16 round fight. We go in one round at a time.

Right. Ring, boom, knocked the Patriots out. And so we just going down and just checking them off, checking them off, Ocho, checking them off. 13 weeks, cause think about it. We won our last game, no, yeah, won our last two games, 97. Yeah, won our last two games in 97.

No, last game in 97, beat the Chargers. Then we go through the playoffs, win the Super Bowl, then we come out, so we win like 18 straight games, Ocho. Feeling good. Yeah. Get to the playoffs. But I agree with everything he said. There's something about that moment.

And when I get on the phone and I talked to Burns or me and Ross Mille calling Foots, uh, feed some of them guys and man, we just, Hey man, you remember such a, so we that the back of the plane, Joni. I mean, very few, very few times, Ocho, do we ever talk about the Super Bowl game itself. We're talking about going to the game. We're talking about on the plane ride back, on the bus ride back. Very seldom do we mention anything

about the Super Bowl itself. We always talk about the plane ride. Man, you remember we got, hey, man, we got snowed in and we had to go get people on snowmobiles to go to Buffalo. We get to Buffalo like 1 32 o'clock in the morning and we got a one o'clock game. Yeah, man, I bet that was so much fun. Ain't nothing like that.

Ain't nothing like that. And then when you're in it, Ocho, yeah, you don't get to enjoy it. You don't, you don't. Cause you're in it and you feel if you enjoy it, it's gonna take you out of that mindset of what you need to do to make sure you try to stay in it. So, man, ain't nothing like that.

Hey, AJ Brown said he's also upset about the current haircut prices in the country. Haircut prices are crazy nowadays. I used to pay $20 for a cut. AJ, ain't no more $20 cut. But we, I used to pay five. 250. Hey, but you gotta realize, Ocho,

I was getting haircuts in the 70s. Me and my brother, my grandfather, getting my and my brother, you know, four dollars, two to $5. Hey, we both of us get a haircut. In college, that's all you're giving your teammate. Man, I wish I would pay a guy $5 to cut my hair. Boy, you better, please.

Boy, times are different, boy. Yeah. Time is different. Oh, Ocho, look, I ain't got no problem. You know, hey, good $60 for a cut. I'ma go ahead and tip you for it. Ocho, dude, they be wanting 200, 300 to cut me. Oh, man, listen, uh, it's time, listen.

Charge $15 for a part. Boy, you know, hey, hold on. You talking about a haircut, $200? Boy, two steaks at the grocery store? Boy, $43. Yeah, well, you mean, well, guess43? Yeah, well guess what? How much are they in the restaurant? $70, so at least you got two.

Hey, they got to make their money up some kind of way. They ain't got no choice but to market up. Look, a lot of times what happens, Ocho, is that if barbers cut athletes, celebrities, and entertainers, they want to live that lifestyle. Bro, you need to, you need to just play, pick up a, play a sport. You need to act, play an instrument,

or dance, sing or something. Because you not finna come up on me. Hey, I grow dreads first. I grow dread, I get twisted. I'm not paying no $3,000 for no cut. I don't care if I got 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 million. I'm not paying no three hundred for no cut, don't you? I'm not.

That's a lot. For just a cut? Listen, that's a lot. Now, what we can say is about our friend not too long ago who's down here in Miami, not that kind of service. Yes. I forgot his Instagram name Miami, now that kind of service. Yes. I forgot his Instagram name, but for that kind of service,

now $300, now we talking. We can talk together. Okay, if you gon' cut it, you gon' dye it, you gon' give me a facial. Facial and all, yeah. I got you. Now that I understand. I'm not gon' get that every time.

Right. Not every time, but every so often, you got your nice little date night with your girl, you want to do. Now, I'm not gonna get that every time. Right. Not every time, but every so often, you know, you got your nice little date night with your girl, you want to get. Yeah, yeah. Boom, there you go, now you good. Bro, man, please. Man, you think I'm gonna let you,

you gonna be on my head, cutting my hair for 30 minutes and I'm gonna give you 300? And then you wanna expect a tip. Tip who? Tip what? I got a tip. Don't eat eggs out salad and ride the bus. That would be a terrible experience for everybody. Bang.

I ain't got nothing for you, yocho. No. Uh-uh. But, nah, I'm trying to think. AJ, yeah, well, I'm saying, I'm trying to think when I played, how much was I playing for a cut? Yeah, I was playing about $20, $30.

Yeah. Yeah. I played, for a cut? Yeah, I'll play about 20, $30. Yeah. Yeah. I played the dude cut my hair, now he do a good job. I give him a good, hey, I think he like 45, 50, I give him a hundred. Damn, big money, okay. Yeah. Big money.

But he did a good job of getting me in. Cause like, when I was in Atlanta, Ocho, I like all my, I like, I don't like to do, I don't do no walk-ins, I like a standing appointment. So for my nails, my facials, my haircut, my massage, I would pay for the whole year. God damn! Pay the whole year.

Because guess what, Ocho? When I say, hey, I want my time. They're more apt to move somebody to get me in as opposed to them moving me to get somebody else in. So you didn't already paid everything out. Yeah, I done paid. I done got back. Hey, why you, hey.

Yeah. I always did that. Hey, you complaining about me on you 5200 and you paying for nails, manicures, and haircuts a whole year. They providing the service. What you doing, you taking money out of my pocket. God.

I can't pay him. I told him, I said, I told the barber, I would pay you money, but an Ocho owe me $5,900 and I can't pay you. I ain't never heard nobody do that. Boy, you playa. Yeah. Hey, you did.

Hey, Ocho, check this out. I remember I paid, I had ran out, cause I get like, so I got this package and the lady runs a special on facials, you know, if you go ahead and pay you by 12, can I get them once, she'll give you 15. I bought the package, got the job at Fox. I still got some of the books.

I have some of the books. Right. I ain't got them no more. But, yeah, but I like that. I like a static appointment. They know I'm coming at this time. Hey, when I go, when I get my massage? Monday, I should get massages Monday.

No, Wednesday and Friday. That's when my massage. Haircut was Thursday. Nails, Thursday. I like that. I like knowing. I like structure. I like a schedule.

I like being on a schedule. I think everybody knows that. And I'm gonna be, hey, and I'm gonna be, hey, and I'm gonna be ticked if I come in there and I got to wait longer than five minutes. Because you know I'm coming. I've already paid you for this time. So don't, hey, don't be trying to get, hey,

I can squeeze you in, come at 2.45 when you know my appointment's at three. Because I'm going to feel some type of way. I'm going to be sitting. Yeah. OK. Don't miss the You Versus You podcast. Join Lex Borrero every week as he sits down with some of the biggest names in entertainment

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is frustrated with the lack of progress on a long-term deal. Well, new reports say that scary Terry is not attending Commander's mini camp. All these camps now, Ocho, are mandatory. They're no more voluntary. They're all mandatory. Ocho, how would the situation end? He don't get that money. He don't get his money.

You know how you see it. Can I tell you how you're going to get his money? I'm going to tell you. Yeah. I'm going to tell you how you're going to get his money. You see me? Yeah. I'm going to tell you how you're He gonna get his money. You know how you see it? Can I tell you how he gonna get his money? I'm gonna tell you, yeah. I'm gonna tell you how he gonna get his money.

How he gonna get it? Shoot, Jaden Dayean from Go Up There. Hello? Who is it? It's Jaden. I need my number one quarterback. I need my captain. I'm not sure what you need to do on your end, but I know what

I need on my end. I need scary Terry to get that money. So I have that, that, that safety net. So I had the individual to throw to the same one, pull up the film from last year. I don't understand what the problem is. I don't know what we mulling around for, get him his money. I still got two years before I'm up. So we're going to be all right. No, I'm going to, yeah, this year, gonna be all right. No, I'm going, yeah. This year and next year, after next year, I'm gonna come see you too. And if I got him, that increases my value too.

Cause I know I'm gonna put up big numbers and I see where it's going. So I'm gonna buy, I'm trying to get 62. Damn. Oh, I'm trying to get, hold on. I'm trying to get Josh, I'm trying to get, hold on. I'm trying to get Josh, I'm trying to get Josh Allen number. 62?

Josh Allen would have signed two years. I'm two years after Josh Allen. I'm trying to keep the market going. Okay, okay. How much Josh Allen, how much Josh Allen got fully guaranteed? I'll tell you what, you ain't gotta give me, you ain't gotta give me for 300, make it all guaranteed.

300? Josh Allen got 330, how much is fully guaranteed? 250? He got a quarter billion? He got 250 fully guaranteed, okay, boom, that's me. So six years, boom. That's me. So six years 330. I don't really care nothing about that. Tell me how much if it floods, if it's snow, if it's a tornado, a rainstorm, I don't care. Tell me what I'm gonna be, what I'm

gonna get. So guess what? By that time, Mocho, 275. That could be the going rate, 275. Hey, so CJ Stroud gonna be in that ballpark too then. CJ Stroud up there after this season. Yeah, absolutely, yes. And you better hope Patrick Mahone don't say, you know what? I'm tired of all these jokers making more than me.

Give me my true value. He wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do that. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Pat, Pat, I'm saying he's made it abundantly clear. He's like, he's doing great with money. They've done great by him. He's like, look, I'm just trying to keep this team together as long as I possibly can,

keep as many good players around me, a la Tom Brady, as I possibly can. Hey, and plus the money that I make off the field can sustain my lifestyle. And it makes up for what he's not gonna make in contracts as opposed to the other quarterbacks that has taken a huge lump sum. Yeah.

I think the thing is, Ojo, when you look at it, my homeboy, he's gonna be like, Brady, Brady is not the highest paid Brady is not the highest paid quarterback. Even though he played the most years, he didn't make the most money. Aaron Rodgers is at 408 million, I think. And then Matthew Stafford's at 391. Tom Brady way, way on that.

I mean, Tom Brady, listen, don't feel sorry for him. He made really good money. But Tom, it became obvious to everybody, the most important thing was rings. It wasn't money. Because Tom realized as a quarterback, he was going to be able to make money. Now he's making $37 million a year for 10 years. So he good. So he said, now, now, look, I'll give y'all something to chase.

Because y'all can pass me monetarily. I want to see the dude that's going to catch me with these rings. Who going to get eight? Who going to get seven? Who going to get six? Why are we talking about it? I'm already there.

I'm in the clubhouse. He said, look, I've already shot under par. I'm in the clubhouse, come catch me. Dang. Damn. So. God damn. Terrence is like, look bro, I done been to the Pro Bowls, I done done done a thousand yard seasons.

I don't really know what else y'all want me to do. I don't know. I don't know what else I need to do to show you that I'm worth whatever I say I am. His situation is different. He's going to get his money. It's just about being patient and the timing of when it gets done. Miss Mini Camp, just make sure you're working out.

Before the season starts, maybe before training camp. You don't want to miss another training camp. You don't want to. No. No, you don't do that. Don't do that. And I'm sure that the organization understands you're going in a different direction. you're going in a different direction.

You're going in a different direction. You had a phenomenal season last year. You got things off. You got things off to a great start. Don't, don't F it up. Don't F it up. Don't piss off the fans. You had a great season in NFC championship last year.

Let's keep that momentum and consistency of greatness going forward and changing that culture. Wow. Reports are saying coach wide receiver coach Reggie Wayne. Reggie Wayne that is. Reggie Wayne is viewed as a possible interim head coach if Shane Steichen struggles to start the season. Ocho? I like it. You don't like it? Now, here's the thing. You know, they're under, you know,

Jim Ursay, rest his soul. Mr. Ursay passed away a month ago. His three daughters took over. I think his oldest daughter, although they all have roles, she is the majority and she makes the decisions. Because even if it's a family thing, the NFL wants there to be one voice.

They want one person to be able to talk. And so she is the, you know, the oldest. And I guess he, you know, put it in a situation where, okay, you handle this and it's gonna go accordingly. But that'd be very, very interesting because there's one thing like, damn, all of a sudden we're thrust into this and we're running a billion dollar corporation,

a multi-billion dollar corporation. It's something entirely different when you got a head coach situation in your first year. That's not something that, you know, you've been on the job for five, six years, Ocho, you kind of understand it, but your first year, you've got to make that decision. I mean, listen, they've been around the game though.

They've been around the game long enough. Yeah, for sure. There's going to be certain decisions that are going to be made that can be, you know, somewhat altering business decisions. And business decisions, and that is one of them. Listen, I'm not sure who made the call or who made the decision when Jeff Saturday

got the opportunity. Jim Ersay. Jim Ersay. So again- He loves his players. He's really close to his players. I mean- Yeah.

So I mean, I think it would be a great, great opportunity for Reggie. He knows the organization. He knows the fan base. He understands the culture and what, not only the organization, he knows the fan base, he understands the culture and what not only the fans, but what that organization needs to get Indy back to their winning ways. Yeah, but here's the thing, Ocho,

you have to understand, Jim Mercy had a personal relationship with Jeff Saturday. Yes, sir. Even though they're around, they don't have the same type of relationships. They haven't developed that, and it's different male, female. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe. So going out, you know, Mr.

Earth, they going out and drinking with Saturday and some of the guys is one thing. That's not what they're going to do. They're not going to have that same dynamic as their father had. And so that's what, you know, I don't wish I don't want Shane Steichen, I don't want him to man to lose his job, but I mean, this is a situation they're just saying, they're just throwing stuff up,

like what if he needs struggles? Yeah, Shane is gonna be okay. Yeah. Shane is gonna be okay. Him losing his job is all predicated on how the quarterback play is. Yes. Just in the quarterback play is,

that's all it comes down to. That's the, I don't wanna call it the elephant in the room, but that's the goddamn elephant in the room. How well is a quarterback play gonna play? Because if the quarterback play is bad, he gonna get you fired. That's what happens. And sometimes they play just good enough to get themselves,

get the coach fired and them cut self-cut. That's where Rich, Rich used to tell us, Richard Smith, he was our special teams coach. He said, son, you play just well enough to get me cut and you fired. ML football released their top 10 receivers in the 2000s. Number one. Don't miss the Yous. Number one.

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But then people say it is the 2000s. So the 2000s, I think Megatron only got maybe three years because I think he came in and I forgot what year he got drafted. I think he came in. he only had three years of. How many years, how many years was a, how many years was Larry Fitzgerald behind Anquan? Cause I think, I think, I think Fitz was like one year behind Anquan.

Yeah, it's a mother shit. Derek Mason, Derek, Derek Mason should be on there too now. I don't think people understand D-Mace putting some work. Man, where that man Julio Jones at, man? You talking about 2000s though. Julio came. Anquan was 2003 then. What you saying, Julio wasn't in 2000?

No, Julio came in 2011. 2011. Him and AJ Green. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. I like it. I should have been higher though. I should have, matter of fact, I should. been higher though.

Okay. Who are you replacing? You replacing Moss, T.O., Marvin, or Tory Hogan? Like just off entertainment alone, I'm number one. Who you were taking out? I'm going to put, I just told you. So you're going to put you in this one. You know, when we talk about numerical order, right? Doesn't everything start with zero? No, it starts with one.

Okay, but before one is zero. Who zero is that about zero, you ain't zero. You don't wanna be zero. So it's me, then then TO, then Moss, then whatever order you wanna do. You know zero is a negative number, right? Hey listen, I was gonna have a quick comeback, but I missed it.

Oh yeah, I bet you wanna be, so if we, hey, so we gotta take, we gonna take out Moss, T.O., Moss. Nah, nah, hell nah, hell boy, we ain't taking off your boy. No. No. That's why, that's why, hey listen, that's why I specifically said entertainment

and fun value only, I'm at the top. That's it. But that's, hey, that was a good list. I'm very fortunate after I was, I saw all these guys. I saw all these guys. Randy, T.O., Marvin, played against Randy. I had never played against T.O. Played against Marvin, played against Hope,

played against Ocho. I kind of think, was Hans on that, was Hans on, when was Hans getting, Hans was on that team in 98? Hey, hey. I know he was on that team in 2001. Tell Joe what I did to y'all when we played y'all. That's what I was gonna ask.

Nothing, lost. Hold on. I'm fessin', who had the big game? What I did to y'all when we played y'all. I wasn't there. You was there. You talking about in Baltimore? Yeah, when we played y'all, what I did to y'all when we played y'all. I wasn't there. You was there. You talking about in Baltimore? Yeah, when we played y'all, what I did to you.

I think you better have like three, four catches. And how many TDs? How many catches did Ocho have in 2001 against us? Cause we beat the hell out of- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, pull them numbers up, Ash. There was no Hyundai, that's for sure. 2001, that was my rookie year.

That's okay. You were there talking like you had two, Yeah, I mean, that was. I bet how much I had, Ash, Ash, how much I had? What do you have, Ash? 55, 60 yards? I had about 230. No.

He didn't play in the Baltimore game? Yeah, I did. Yeah. I think you might have caught a touchdown against us in 2000. I sure did. That's what I would do. I kept it.

That was at Denver then, but we beat hell out y'all. Oh, you were gone? Oh Joe, you had seven targets, three catches for 28 yards against us. What I have, Ash? Hey, that boy was skating out there, huh? What? Against Baltimore?

Ocho, you do realize, Ocho, you didn't even, y'all didn't even score. You didn't? Hold on, you didn't even, y'all didn't even score. You didn't? No. Hold on, I didn't score? It was zero, y'all had zero. What game was this? Again, since you like zeros, y'all had that.

Hold on, hold on, what year this was? 2001. I played? Yep, seven targets, three catches, 28 yards. What'd I have? I know I had me a tub, a sweet tub. What happened to the other five catches? I didn't catch them?

Well, hey, something wrong with you. Well, first of all, that was four targets. I mean, cause I said you had seven targets, you had three catches. So it wasn't five, you and math didn't do too good. That was four you didn't catch. No, I ain't dropped no balls now. That's one thing I do.

I ain't dropped the money. I ain't dropped the money. My hands was like glue, you hear me dropped no balls now. That's one thing I do. I ain't dropped the money. I ain't dropped the money. My hands was like glue. You hear me? At a tub. Oh, I scalded? In 2001? Oh, that was 2000.

Oh, I had three targets, three catches, 32 yards or so. You see the difference? Three targets, three catches. Well, you play, hold on, hold on. You got to understand what defense I was going against. This was the Baltimore Ravens, man. Like, I ain't really get y'all scared. No, no, you didn't get the 2000 Ravens defense.

You got the old one defense. It's the same thing. Y'all wasn't missing too many pieces, man. Y'all wasn't missing too many. Oh, what'd he do the second time? Because that was the home game, I think, there. What'd he do it? Cause I think he had a touchdown.

He might have had a touchdown the second time we played. Every time I play all of them, I'm a scone that. That's what I'm gonna do. No, you didn't. You had 28 measly yards. You even have the first down to catch. That's my rookie year. They were just introducing me to y'all.

You know when you first meet somebody Joe? Yeah, I know what you mean. I wanna introduce y'all. They didn't wanna to get, they didn't want to put me out. Oh Joe, the first time y'all played, you had one target, no catches. Yeah, and that's it. Oh, you know what? See, that's my rookie year.

So they didn't really introduce me to y'all. Oh, that was the second time. That was in season anyway. We're having that game. What happened? What I did? What I did? Yeah, the first chronological game is this one. Yeah. Yeah. I had 12 targets, eight catches, 84.

You had one target, no catches. You was out there bulljabbing. Hey, what year was that? 2001, the year you asked for. It's my rookie year. What they gotta do with us? Wait, what I did after that though? What I did after that?

I don't know. I wasn't there. I was in Denver. Now you want to say what we did in Denver? We played y'all in 2002. What we did? What I did in Denver? Yeah, I know I know. I know you lost.

I didn't know I knew that. I don't know what the numbers, but you lost. Hey, what my numbers look like, Ash? What I did in Denver? Yeah. I think you caught a touchdown against Denver. I think you caught a touchdown against us. That's what I did to Demba. Yeah. I think you caught a touchdown. Damn right. That's what I do, I catch touchdowns. But we beat y'all.

Okay, we talk about from an individual standpoint. I can't control it, I can't control the team. No, regular season. We played in 2003? Yeah, yeah, what I did then, what I did then. Cause hey, by the time 2003 came, Joe, like I had fully arrived. Like I was like, I knocked Joe.

Okay, what did he do? Cause that was Carson, I think that was Carson, the year Carson was drafted. Yeah, I agree. Hey, what year did you change your name though? To Ocho, what year did you change that? I forgot, I think maybe 2007, I just wanted to- If he'd have played the Baltimore Ravens in 2000,

we'd have made him change it back. Hey, Joe, listen, I think maybe 2007. I just wanted to. If you'd have played the Baltimore Ravens in 2000, we made him change it back. Hey Joe, listen, I changed my name simply for marketing and branding purposes only. That's all. Ocho, you had 10 targets, six catches, 95 yards and a touchdown. That was me. What happened?

What was the score, Ash? 30 to 10 was the score Boy stop I was the only one that's cold Yes And it was late in the game when you scored it don't matter long as I got in there I'm saying that sometimes sometimes you gotta when you go. It don't matter how long that guy in there. Sometimes, sometimes you gotta, when you go on a date, sometimes you know, you know, you get the first base, sometimes you get the second. Yeah, I know what it was. Hey Joe, I don't want to tell nobody,

but we had to call the dogs off. He scored with a minute left in the ball. Okay. That was still throwing. Yeah, we had no choice but to throw. I don't know what you had. You had a choice. You had four quarters and you had time to do something before the end. We beat the breaks on you. Oh Joe, you still celebrating on that one? Oh yeah, no, no, no, no.

Listen, one thing I always did Joe, is I never celebrated, never did a celebration if we were losing, only if we were to tie the game or we score first or it was to go up. Yeah, I ain't play like that. Well, you ain't do no celebrating against on the teams I was on. Ocho.

Man, you lucky, listen, you lucky we didn't cross paths like at the same time. Like you was on the back end and I was coming in. If I played during your era, like during, man, I would have soft y'all ass up, boy. Boy, Ocho, I was like, I'm good for having tubs against Cincinnati. Kevin.

You have to understand, you have to understand. We played, what, 2000? Drop 2000, what we do in 2000? This before you got there, Ocho. This before you got there, we beat the Braves. You have to understand how bad Cincinnati was back then. You gotta understand that, Joe. That's not fair.

So, like. Well, y'all defense still suspect. I mean, y'all got some great offensive players with Joe and Chase and Higgins, but that defense, damn. They only had one catch though. Damn. Oh, my bad Ocho.

We beat y'all 37-0 in 2000. I scored twice. I scored twice, I already know that. I don't like that. As a matter of fact, I'm Daryl Williams. Hey D-Wil. Hey D-Wil, Darrell Williams. Most. Hey D Will. Hey D Will can hit, boy. Not me.

He talking me in the end zone. He had to smell the odorate though. I'll make a smell the odorate joke. They gonna smell the odorate. Cause the referee gonna do that. I had about four catches, I had about four catches, about 50 yards, two tubs. Not in Cincinnati in 2000.

No, you talking about, I'm just the first game. I'm gonna touch down the first game, hit him with like a two yarder. Going to the game in Cincinnati. The 37 nothing, that's when they knocked Akili Smith. That's when Rob Burnett hit Akili Smith and knocked him out of the game. Y'all about had like 40 yards that game.

The hell you say? I called two touchdowns that game in 2000. I did play. Yeah, it is, it is in 2000. Yeah. Let me, let me, Lord have mercy. See, I'm saying, as try to shortchange me my numbers, Joe.

Shit, I ain't play. That's what I think I'm gonna know. Ravens. Okay. I'm looking at the Broncos. Get them right, man. Let them know, huh? Yeah, I try to shortchange me. We beat them 27 and seven. I'm looking at the Broncos. No, no, no, no.

No, no. I'm looking at the Broncos. Shannon Sharpe, 7 for 66, 66 in two touchdowns. Against who? The Ravens. I ain't play y'all in 2000. That was that was when as a matter of fact that's when Corey Dillon ran it's broke the record against the Broncos. He ran for 275 because uh 276 because the record was Walter Payton 275 who broke OJ's record like 273. Okay, I was looking for a problem.

Did that. But don't worry about it, Ocho. Hey. What? Hey, I was that boy, but Joe, you missed it. Saquon Barkley's iconic reverse hurdle is the cover of the Madden NFL 26. I just left Saquon, huh? That's why I'm in Ph iconic reverse hurdle is the cover of the Madden NFL 26.

I just left Saquon, huh? That's why I'm in Philly. This is the second straight year a running back has been on the cover, Christian McCaffrey being the athlete on Madden NFL 25. That sparked the debate of the infamous Madden curse once more. This is the first time a member of the Jacksonville Jag has been on the cover of a Madden, I'll bet as a person being hurdled. Damn. Hey, the person getting hurdled,

hey, he got to be upset about that, boy. He got to be upset about that. Oh yeah, he immortalized. He made the, that's like that Jordan push off, Ocho. Wait, Russell? Yeah. You don like that Jordan push off. Oh Joe. Wait, they're on Russell Yeah, I want to push off. He just he just guided him a little bit out the way Well, he only hear that what he guided him. Yeah, it is it is I just left this place He just um, we were at Gino steakhouse tonight and they turned it into steak on

Gino cheese steak. It was really really really really dope event. I was able to congratulate say corn on being the cover athlete and we talked about the Madden curse. Josh Allen was on the cover. Didn't get hurt. When not too long ago. A couple of years ago. He didn't get hurt. Patrick Mahone was on the cover previously. He didn't get hurt. So I think Saquon is safe. There have been players that have that have had small injuries and nothing to say where they missed a lot of time. So I think we got to do it with the whole Madden Kirsten.

And Saquon is one that take care of his body. Doesn't really get hurt much. He has in the past, but recently hasn't been hurt. I think he's going to be all right. And I honestly think there's a good chance that they might repeat, but being that the commanders have gotten better, being that Dallas has gotten better, you know, obviously adding George Pickens from an offensive standpoint. I'm not sure how they would look defensively. I'm excited. I'm excited to see what that NFC West look like.

Man, Ocho, y'all was, good God, y'all was terrible. Ocho, y'all had 174 total yards that game. But what year was that? 2000. That's what they want throwing me the ball. You wasn't even there. Oh yeah. I wasn't there yet. You better be glad you weren't there. If I was, the outcome would have been different. I can tell you that. You know, you used to be out there raising hell when that ball don't come your way. I think I might have maybe two instances like that. One, it was a playoff game. We were playing the Steelers when Carson went down.

I was very frustrated. So you have to get your production from somewhere when a quarterback of that magnitude, the playbook changes significantly when the second quarterback comes in. So at that point, now I'm feeling, put me in positions to make up for not having him in. Right.

And we weren't able to do that because we were playing the Steelers and the Steelers that year, that 05 year, that defense, that defense Joe. Oh my God. So I just wanted to be, I wanted them to stop allowing them to dictate what we want to do. Let's dictate. Right. Y'all will go do nothing. So outside of that, I was really frustrated, Joe. That was one time and it was another time. Oh, same game.

Joe, I got mad at the same game. We're- Well, that was the one you was acting a fool in in the locker room? Yeah, that's what I just told you. Yeah. Hey, Joe, what? I was hot. See, now I could have said something. See, I knew about this, but I ain't put him, hey, Joe, boy, I was hot. See, now I could have said something,

see, I knew about this, but I ain't put him out there, Joe. At that time I was on CBS, and the word, it came back to me. We got to say, you know what? You know, I'm not one of those, I don't have any problems, you know, like the ball not coming, I be chilling, Joe. Just that game, the magnitude of the game,

and you allowing them to dictate to us what we want to do. You thought y'all was going to the Super Bowl. Yes. I promise you. Hey, Joe, all I needed was the ball. Joe, just put them in the hand, Joe. And listen, I wasn't one of those guys that catch it 120 and 130 passes a season. 90, you give me three or four balls a game, I'm good. Cause two of them, oh, I'm finna get jiggy. I'm finna get jiggy. I don't need a whole bunch of catches. Right. Shit.

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