Club Shay Shay - Tony Baker Discusses The Levels Of Cheating, Choosing Face Over Body, & Making Women Work For “The D.”

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

Truth After Dark family, we got a good one for you! One of the funniest people on the planet right now, the living legend Tony Baker joined us! We talk about marriage, the levels of cheating, face over body, double standards between men & women, and of course we react to some of Paul’s wildest takes! Go grab a glass of wine, put your feet up and enjoy the show! 🙌🏾 Go see Tony Baker live at Flappers in Burbank! Last Monday of every month! Bald Brothers Show - Once a month! https://www.tonybakercomedy.com/shows #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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How deep into the lap is she sitting, though? Right here. Right. There's levels to the last. Right. It's levels to it. Deep into the lap. I'm sitting on a man's knee, butt cheeks in between his knee.

Is that going to be okay? I will say, right? That if a woman calls you a bitch, that's crazy. That's deeply rooted. Like, she don't respect you at all. At all. A man could call a woman a bitch and still love that girl. Exactly.

There's levels to the cheek. It depends on how far it went. If the penis showed up at any point in time. Then it's done. If that dick came out on your watch, I'm out. I'm out. I'm in the streets. I'm out here.

Right. I'm free porn hub McGee, man, free. Do you know about the porn on Twitter on X? I'll be seeing it sometime, but I'm really on there anymore. I don't know how to get to it, though. I always end up stumbling upon it. I'm like, oh, man, that's crazy. This is the taking over the game.

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very, very special guest that we're both very super excited about from everyday moments to viral skits, sold out shows. His comedy always hits because it's real. Actor, writer, stand-up, killer, and one of the funniest doing it right now, Tony Baker. Thank you. That was a good intro. It made me feel good about my little self, man. I'd be embarrassed, though. When they be reading on stuff, I'd be like, just say Tony, man. But that was good. I appreciate that. Of course. You got the cards, too? Once you got the cards, the cards, make it all official.

We're professional over here, right? But we're so excited to have you. I love your comedy. so does Paul. Like, we're really into comedy and you just, you always crack me up. And recently I saw that you reposted a clip of our show

and Paul talking about how he prefers body over face. Or not prefer, but I asked him if he had to choose one. He said, for the long term. For the long term. And I was appalled.

I'm like, damn, what are we waking up? It's just, you know, but you had an opposing opinion, so I would love for you to talk about it. Oh, for sure. For me, Body, body is, don't get me wrong.

A beautiful body is just chef's kiss. But the face, if we're talking long term, you got to get up, you got to have conversations, you got to, the family photos and the Christmas sweaters where the body is tucked in, the face is, that's gonna be platinum.

That's that sunshine. You gotta have a face. And then bodies change over time. True. Face change over time too. They blow, they deflate, they inflate. Face change over time to you. The face, don't change. that much though. The face change over time I've seen it. Bodies can change in months faces take a long time to change.

What you're saying with the face change is it just aging you're saying? Yeah aging. It's inevitable. Yeah. Until you start looking crazy and you did too much to your face. Yeah. The face is key for me though. Damn. Yeah, because you've got to look at that face man. You got to after the sex

for me though. You gotta connect. Like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We've heard this we've hardly seen it like dude like I said, I didn't seem them and talk to the finest women around the world that look terrible to me. Yeah. When you start hearing them talk. Oh, for sure.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, personality can change the whole aesthetic. But you got an ugly girl with a dope-ass personality. I know you didn't have a girl like that. For sure. It makes her look better, don't it? It does, but sometimes it ain't enough. I'll still be like, man, she's dope as hell.

You want to? Nah, you know. Oh, come on. You know what I'm saying? It depends. You know what I'm saying? On how ugly we're talking? Because the original set of them, she was like the face was towed up.

No, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you can work with like a four, five. Because you can throw some, you know. He's like, no, I can't. I can't do it. A four. Seven up, man.

Like two three, I'm like, damn. Two, three is crazy. Two, three is wild. Four or five, you can move that up to a six, seven with the right lighting and makeup and the clothes. I don't want to lean on the makeup, though, man. It's the end of the morning. And at the end of the night, they're going to take it off. Man, I didn't see, I didn't see a girl for me go from a 10 to a 3 in the morning.

See? That's scary. I can't be doing that. I am scared of that. I literally was like, no. Oh, I see, look, it was a girl I was dating. I'll tell you this. Look at this.

I'm talking about she. I thought she was the finest girl. Uh-huh. And she's, I'm coming to pick her up. She's, this is like our second date. Okay. She comes out the apartment and I'm like, is that her? And I'm like, I'm in the car, so I'm like, oh, that's not her.

So I don't even unlock my door. So I started looking more down the street. Yeah. And then she knocked on the window. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah. That's her. Oh, snap.

And this was my first time seeing her without the lake up. That'd have been cold if you gave her money because you thought she was homeless. Like, he's going. I'm crying. For the kids. Like, no, it's me. I mean, she was a whole different. shade of color.

Yeah. Like a whole other shade. Yeah, because you could put that makeup and do the different shades, I guess. Yeah. Like, I was like, whoa. And the drive to Vegas, it was a drive to Vegas. You on a second date drove to Vegas? To Vegas?

That's diabolical. Yeah, that's crazy. You had to get the know him from the gym. I'm trying to get to know her. To drive. This is a good drive to. This is a good drive to get to know somebody, right? On the second?

No, that's horrible. Yeah, I was going, we was, I was meeting some friends too, though. No, you don't do that. Would that happen to me? Let me tell you how cold I was with the face swap. So there was this girl I used to work with, and, you know, she'd come to work, made up. Yeah. And I was like, all right, you know what I'm saying?

And we had kissed one time at a party. And so, like a few days later, I'll pull up just on the random stuff, and she came out the house with no makeup on. I was like, you know how in the alien movies, when the alien is inside, I've got them already and they kind of pale out and get sweaty, they'd be like, you're all right? They'd be like, oh, no. She had that vibe and she came up to the car

and then she leaned in for the kiss. I dipped back. No, you didn't. I dipped back. You dipped back. I dip back, man. I'm panicked. I was afraid.

I am crying. The lips was, it was just. I know she was so hurt after that. I know that killed her whole ego. Because in the moment, I was just like. I feel bad later I feel bad later Back crusher

I know you felt bad What's she said? I can't risk it I can't get What's she say? She was like I can't get a kiss I think I played it off

Like if somebody was in the car With me my boy Because I don't like kissing In front of people I don't like kissing in front of people Yeah Drove off man She was still cute

I'll just sopped her up right there Wow So that That reminds me of on your page you said that men need to raise their property value of their penis. Yeah. So what does that mean? Like, what does a woman have to do then?

So you're denying women. Like, no, you can't have it. You got to work for it, honey. Yeah, not purposely. It's not like I'm intentional with like, you can't have this, but it's like, you know, dudes are easy most of the time. Yeah. And as soon as a woman's like, hey, they be like, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, for me, like, I like to settle into your personality, get to. know you and then just leave you anticipating them one more and like be a challenge for a woman because a lot of times dudes ain't even a challenge for y'all yeah especially you know fine women they'd be like i'll get them right now you know what i'm saying like with us with women you know the majority of us anyway we got to work we got to yeah we got to let you you know get to know put the personality in there and put the time in women out here just like i'm gonna take them down the night and then get it I'd be like, fellas, man. So you're telling women, so let's say you're meeting a woman

and she's like in the bed with you and you're like, are we already in the bed? Well, okay, no, no, no. You have to earn my bed. No, let's just say you guys are dating. She's like, I want to come home with you tonight. And you're like, do you, are you like, no? It depends on how long we, how long we talk.

It's like the second or the third day. Oh, no, man. You can't give me that quick. Because he's driving to Vegas on the second day with women. Stayed in a whole hotel room. No, no. You can't get me that quick. You can't get you that quick.

On the second turn? No, man. No, no, it wasn't, I wasn't staying in the hotel room. Oh. Oh, okay. My boy had a mansion out there. Oh, big time. We was going to his house and, you know, figure it out from there.

Okay. Okay. It wasn't one of those. Tucked in the room. Yeah. It was like, I could have been over here. You know, we didn't, I don't think we, I don't know. He don't know.

It's crazy. For me, for me, like, you know, if it's, if it's like the second hangout, that'd be too quick. Because I remember one girl, I remember we finally, like, did something. And she had known me for a long time. And when I finally slid in, she was like, finally. I was like, that's what she said on the slide in. Interesting. Yeah.

That's crazy. I bet you that makes a woman like crazy. Like, why? Is it me? Like, what are you? Because men don't usually, like, make a woman wait. That sounds crazy to even say. That's mature.

But it's joke, yeah. We're easy, man. That means you're really trying to get to know, you know, someone. You know, Game said something where he was like, I feel like it's not a good feeling when I sleep with women that I don't have real intention for. You know? I felt like on that actually. Like, it feels bad and it's like a dark cloud over me, you know.

But it's at that age too. Like, it's pointless sex when you know you're not going to be with a girl. Yeah. Like when you get to a certain age, you know. you just like, man, I know I'm going to have sex with her and ain't going to go nowhere. You already, like as a man, you know this already with a girl. So does that mean you, especially the older you get? You know if you want a girl, like, very soon on, like if you can see a relationship with her?

Yeah, like, you, when you get to know people and you, you know, you're talking to them and spending time and it's like, all right, I can see myself with her, you know what I'm trying down, later on down the line. Because like when I get single, I'm comfortable single. Like, you know, a lot of people panic when they sing. Like, I got to ask somebody. But, like, for me, I'll be like, no, I'm good. I'm good. We can hang out every so often.

Yeah. Like, you know, I'll go back in my case. I'll be in the house. Yeah. I be in the house. And so it's like, to get me to come out the house. You got to be a special. It's rare.

Yeah, yeah. You know, I'll come out every now and then and go right back in. Yeah. And so, you know, some women get frustrated with that. They be like, you know, when are we going to hang out again? I'm like, that's a great question. Yeah, for real. And I'm crying.

And I don't always have the answer. Like, I don't know. But when I really, when I'm really intentional, though, I move different. And that's when I make the plans. So you said that you think women should be more aggressive, like they need to start getting that man more. Like, what's up. Oh, yeah. Proposed to us.

That's what I said. No, not necessarily proposing. That's crazy. I just met on the street. I think that. You think that men, women should propose to men? Thank you. No.

And why? Please say why. No, because, I just, that's one tradition I think is cool. Like, you know, for the man to propose to the woman. Yeah. But I was just saying women should holler on the streets just to make them a little bit more comfortable, you know, like make them uncomfortable. Because women are often put in the spot of being uncomfortable. Yeah.

Not feeling safe. You know what I'm saying? These dudes be aggressive and they're uncomfortable and like nobody's really there to help them. But like I say that for women to be like, what? Let's see your dick print. And then a lot of a lot of dudes be like, oh, shit. They kind of panic and scramble back. So they ease off the aggression because they'd be like, oh, this girl, you know.

She's all one. But some women be like, no, that backfired when I tried it. Yeah, it can. It can. It can because men might be like, yeah, here you go. You know what I mean? So I say that from a safety perspective, like, you know, make the men uncomfortable. Cat call or they're walking down the street.

Yeah, right. And then cuss them out when they reject you. These girls got to be careful out here, though. A man don't really like a super, I don't like a super aggressive girl. I don't like a super aggressive girl. No. Nah, that's like, it's like, it make it, you make a girl come off too thirsty.

Oh. You know what I'm saying? So like, if a girl, like, what's up with you? Then I'm like, damn, like. So she can't give you the casual, what's up with you? Like, like, like, I think you got to be passive aggressive you're a girl.

Okay. Like, like, throw the bait out, but then kind of step back. Yeah. But like, when you too much, like, like, damn, poking, poking the bear and everything. I'll be like, I'm good. Like, damn.

Like, damn. Because you like, you like to chase. You'd rather be the one chase. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's it. I don't like a girl. That scares me. Don't you think a woman proposing to you was aggressive? No, I don't think that's aggressive because we're only reason she going to propose is because

we've been together and we're living together and she's like, I'm ready. Like she's getting out of the way. I think that that's, I'm never supposed to. All right, so listen to this. Men, if I believe the men are the prize, I mean, that's what I believe. I think. I think. What do you believe?

When it comes to prizes, I think we both deprive. I agree with that. I feel like one shouldn't be above the other if we're in a relationship issue. Because we're a partnership. If we're going to be married, it's a partnership. So once you come in with that mindset of I'm over you or I'm better than you, then it's like you're deprived and I'm just on the side of the road, those dynamics can get a little shaky further down the line.

Yeah, but that's never 50-50. But we're not talking about that being 50-15. But the man, you want the man to be. be like the dominant though a girl wants a leader a woman wants a leader most women yeah right and so if you're a leader it go it's like you're the queen right and when you look at old medieval time movies the king sits on the throne right and she kind of sit like a step down like but her throne she got a throne though yeah and so it ain't that i'm saying her duties go unnoticed or what her responsibilities are in it, but most of the time the man is going, he has to bring more to the

table than the woman. He has to. On the surface. You got to think about what women do on the underneath or like behind the scenes in terms of like, because I feel like relationships they ebb and flow in terms of just dynamics and roles and stuff like that. You know, we might be, you know, it might not be 50-50, it might be 60-40, 70-30, just depending on on the zone. on. Like if a man gets sick, you know, nobody holds you down better than a woman does. You know, they got you locked in. And so, and if you got a good woman that's a partner, she's fiscally responsible. She got you making the right moves financially, even though you are the breadwinner, but she's like, yo, you should invest in this. Or what about this property? Or

like, those behind the same things can change the dynamic a little bit more. Even though you steal the head, she's right there, you know. And then when you faltered, you, you know, you might, um, If she's also working and then whatever you're doing falls back a little bit, she can pick up the slack and then those dynamics change in a good, you know, relationship. You're talking about aliens and dinosaurs. Those don't exist. I don't believe that. And then we can open out, man.

When you open up to a woman, man, we all soft in the bed and shit. Laying there, you know, the vulnerable moments. That's if you got a good one, you know what I mean. But it's so hard now because, like, women use your vulnerability. against you. Some do. Some, not all. You speak to all women and it's not all women. Yeah. Some women will hold that and actually take it into regard and actually move accordingly because of that, you know? Like, it's an honor for a man to be able to tell you their vulnerabilities and be open and soft with you. Like, and like a lot of women love that and love the opportunity

to be able to hold that space for a man, you know, because men don't get those spaces too often. So you can't speak to all women. And men, do the face throwing too, though. They'd be throwing stuff in women's faces, too. You know what I'm saying? Like when they get heated, you know, dudes be like, that's why you, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. We'll show that. We'll throw that.

We're not innocent, you know, in this. And so anytime you open up and get vulnerable with somebody, there's always that worry of like, you're going to throw this in my face. And I feel like people on both sides can feel that, you know, but it's all about if you were the right person.

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You'd be like, this is why I ain't telling you. You single right now? I'm loving on somebody right now, but we ain't official. Okay, okay, okay. I love that. Okay, so you met someone that is, took you out of your solo

because you were like, I would like to be alone. I was solo McGee. I was in the cave. Solo. Yeah. And then she was able to take you out of that space. Yeah. Okay.

Because I'll be like, no, I'm good on being sick. Even when we first started talking, I was like, I'm in the streets. I'm out here. Right. I'm out because I'm very vulnerable. I mean, transparent, that's what I mean to say. I'm very transparent. And so I tell anybody, I'm like, I'm out here.

Not like out here like that, but I'm talking, I'm flirting. I'm hanging out. What's the age gap in this? I really be in the house, though, huh? What's the age gap on this? Four, four years. Okay. I'm four years older.

Okay. Yeah. That's not bad. Yeah. And that's part of the appeal. Yeah. That's part of the appeal like, you know, we can relate to certain things together. Like, you know, even though I still tease her, I'd be like, yo, when you was,

man, what you know about this? You was two when this came out. I was, you know what I'm saying? No, no, she's right there. Yeah, she's right there. Only four years, but you're like, you was two. You don't know. I was six.

Yeah. What you know about this? I was a grown man with a briefcase when you was born. I'm always doing that. I love that. Yeah. Okay. Did it hit you out of that?

nowhere? It was very surprising. It was just like, it called me by surprise, just the communication, the flow, it was consistent, it was easy going. And she doesn't have an ounce of pressure on me. Because sometimes, you know, people leave with pressure. They'd be like, yo, what are we doing? I don't do this, I don't do that. You know, this, that, and the third. And just be like, hey, I'm just, I'm just trying to get to know you a little bit, you know what I'm saying. So the, the men and I start to feel pressured, I usually flee. Like, you know, I'm like a deer. Are you an Aquarius? No, I'm a tourist. You're a

tourist. Yeah, I can see that. You like to be home all the time. I'll be in the house. What month is that? You know, I originally thought you were a tourist. I promise. I swear to God. I know you don't believe you, but I knew, I was like, he's a tourist. Yeah, a maid tourist. Yeah, I can see that 100%. So I'm skittish, though. Like, if I feel like you know, you're trying to boss me around, there was too much pressure,

I usually fall back. I'll disappear. Yeah, I'm out. I'm out, man. Yeah, I'm feeling like. I feel like men feel that under pressure. They're like, I'm cool. If it's pressure, I'm out. Yeah.

I remember when I first broke up with my ex-girlfriend, I dipped my toes into, like, you know, flirting again. And maybe, you know, something. And then the girl was just putting too much pressure up already. And I was just like, hey, I don't know. You should know. You should know. I'm like, man.

And how long was it? At this time, it was like, a few months after my breakup. No, but how long were you and her talking before she started applying pressure? The pressure was pretty quick. It was like right away. Even for the link up,

even for the first initial meetup, it was pressure. Oh, so she was applying that pressure from the jump. Yeah, I was just like, oh, oh, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, no. They gave me pause, though. I was just like, oh, I'll step back. So you've been married before, right?

Yes. Okay. I've been married before, too. Yeah. Have you? Yes, I've been married. I've never knew that about you, duh. It's a lot of things.

People from the surface. He's like, I don't see that for you know. I was like 14 years in. You got kids? Yeah, I have four kids. Okay. Yeah. All right.

So I have a 17, 14, 12, and a four-year-old. Okay, wow. All right. Yeah. Hey. I ain't know that about you, though. Yeah, I was married. Yeah.

And you and your ex-wife were together since college? Yeah. For a long time. How long, how many years were you guys together? So we met 98. We got together. the beginning of 99 and we were together we had we had my first son and he was born January 2000 and then we had another son he was born in 2001 and we got married in 2003 okay because we had a

couple of breakups in in that time and then we got married and so we were married from 2003 to 2012 we got divorced oh wow yeah so even now we still cool yeah she remarried His name is Tony as well No way That's crazy Yeah Ball hit it Tony We got the same middle name

No you're lying She got a type man You're just lying I'm not lying The first and middle name is the same Except he's white There's no way Oh he's white

He looked like Jason kid white So we was all like You're not mixed You're right Even she was food She thought he was mixed So y'all are all cool You're cool with him.

I love when that can happen when it's like, we're all cool. You know, that's a good feeling, I'm sure. Do you ever think you'll remarry? Yeah. Okay. Okay. What do you think? So Paul has a viral clip that says that marriage is for old people and poor people.

Wow. Yeah. Wow. You know what I'm saying? He's like, you know what I'm saying? Hey, man. How old? What's the old minimum?

He was talking about like 70. 70? 60. Damn. all right, we're 60. All right, so let me break it down. So the reason I even said this because I'm seeing the people like

that's not in that category is just, it's divorce all the time. Like, because as men, like if you were men, as a man when you're successful, it's so hard to just be like married without the pressures and then you've gone and then traveling and doing all this to keep a,

a steady marriage. And it's just like, damn, all the successful marriages, it's like, you know, people who need each other financially. Like, y'all actually, that's how, like, my grandma and grandpa, they needed each other finances to come together. And that's why back in the day was people having more kids. You look like, like, I come from, I have like, five uncles and four aunties.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because they needed each other and they, you know, they had their roles and they understood their gender roles. Mm-hmm. And now as we move into the new generation, it's not like that no more. You know, women are more independent and, you know, they're more masculine

and where it's just like, and now the divorce rate is out. It don't even make sense. Especially, all right, so I'll tell you this. So NBA players, 80 to 90% divorce rate. Yeah, that's crazy. That's the official? Official. That's an official statistic.

That's an official statistic. I would bet you too, like even actors and actresses. the same percentage, probably a little bit lower. Especially after your career's over. I think because when you're financially independent or stable, whatever, you have the opportunity to be like, you know what, this ain't working, I'm going to give me an apartment downtown. You could just dip off.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And so a lot of people stay together because of the financial situation. Exactly. That's what I said. And so it is harder. That's why you see so many rich people splitting up because they'd be like, you know what, it's over.

I already got a spot on the other side of the town. I already put the down payment down. So when you got people that are financially dependent on each other, they're going to hang in there. They're going to hang in there. And to me, it doesn't make the people that stayed together better. No, right. Still be, even though they've been together.

That's why I don't give you automatic, I don't give you an automatic medal is because you've been together for 30, 40 years. That could be a trash. Exactly. They don't like it. I know people they like each other for the last 10 years. Exactly. But they can't move.

Yeah. Because a lot of people look down on single people, they'd be like, what you know about? Yeah. Exactly. What you know about? Exactly. Being single is weaponized, especially as a woman.

It's like why you're single. You must be something bad with you. You're bad fruit. Like something is wrong. When in reality it's like, well, maybe I'm single because I actually make good choices and I'm not deciding to be somewhere where I'm happy, you know? Because I know marriages that are 50 years in and you're, Super miserable.

But people will put that on a pedestal and they'll still talk down to the single person and think they made a better decision. So you made a decision to waste your years miserable with somebody. And when you get older, that's really tough because I've seen it firsthand. When people are like almost 80 and they're still married and they're like not getting along like that's hard

because you don't have many options at that point. So, you know, like I feel like being single can actually be, it doesn't have to be weaponized. Like I can actually be making the right to. decision, you know, and we talk about like people saying, like Paul was saying, like, if you're over 40 or if you're over 35 and you don't have any kids or you've never been married, like you're desperate or there's something wrong with you, right? Automatically, yeah. And so, you know, I'm 34 and I don't have any children, but, you know,

that's a choice that I've made. And I don't feel like anyone's better than me because they do have children. You know, like I can come to a relationship without any baggage, you know, and not have to deal with a baby daddy or whatever the situation is. And I don't, I don't feel like is because obviously I'm you know I wasn't with any of those people so I wouldn't have been in a good situation I mean not to say a kid is a blessing but sure you know I know exactly what you know what I mean like so I feel like we can't weaponize those people yeah automatically they'd be like man you can't find them but you wouldn't good enough and I was like no I got out of a bad relationship for one yeah yeah so my barriers were up with everybody else I could see the signs clear

yeah so I ain't even go further with that person and a lot of people just overlooked that and be like, man, you can't get nobody. Yeah, that's real. This is the more or less segment brought to you by price picks, where you can win real cash by picking just more or less on your favorite players. Use code TAD and get $50 instantly in lineups when you play your first $5. So we talked about Christy, Sarah, and Desmond Scott, and now Desmond has been caught up on TMZ,

make it out full-blown with a girl right after this divorce happened. And do you feel like men use women as a coping mechanism more than women do? Because I feel like I'm less likely to get with a man right after I just broke up with someone. Because that's just going to make me feel worse. And it's going to make me compare him to the person I was just with. Damn, that's a great question. I think men do use that to cope because it's like when you go through a breakup, especially a long time love.

and like men won't show their sadness or being a funk they'll just be like using other women to cope and they'll be just probably gassing them and making it feel like you're going to be the one next and all of this but really this is really like a band-aid to try to help heal your wounds. Do you think it's more likely for men to do that? It's more likely for men than women.

Yeah, for sure. You know, women start going toward the boy toy thing You know, they're not looking for nothing serious after a long relationship. They start getting the, they start, especially if it's an older woman, she started getting with younger dudes and, you know, start feeling, trying to get their confidence back and all this, rota, rotta, rada. But, and they just, they just, boy toys, that's what I've seen. Yeah.

You know, from just different relationships, how you start seeing how somebody, you know ex-teammates who divorced or my friends who divorced. Yeah. I see the girl out with a younger dude. You're like, oh, okay, yeah, okay. You know, women, I think women use men to cope too, though. They can. But I think it's more, say, emotional attachment.

Like, they'll use a man to vent. I think we're more likely to have an emotional affair and emotional attachment than we are physical. You know what, though? Before you say that, I just thought about this. Hold on. Hold on. When a woman break up, we talked about this.

They already got a dude in their back pocket. I think that that's not always. It's true. Because a breakup don't happen overnight. The breakup may take two years. Y'all just ain't been fucking with each other for a minute. You don't just divorce overnight. It ain't like cheated divorce.

No, dude, you work on it. You might see therapists. You get back into the group and then you just figure out this ain't going to work. It might take another year after that. You know what I'm saying? It ain't just like, oh. Well, women are more likely to check out way before the relationship is over. Like we're already way checked out of the relationship months before.

It doesn't mean we have someone else. It just means like I'm checked out and I'm mentally preparing myself to exit this relationship. I'm talking to my friends on how I'm going to exit, how I'm so dumb, but I'm hurt and it's hard. But I always say that women hurt first, men hurt worse. Women, we be crying right away. Men be on the internet with different bras kissing and making out. Even though they are hurting, but it's a woman, we look like, oh, you good. And then by the time a man circles the block

because he realizes, damn, I've really missed out on something we already done. They miss that window. There's a three-week window where men be so like doing whatever they doing. No, not three weeks. Even a month, a month, three weeks, a month, two months. That window, men be on their own time doing whatever. A woman is crying.

But guess what she's doing? Talking to her home girls, crying, healing, getting better, getting back into her routine. Then by two months, She's ready to date. And by then he's trying to knock back on her door. And then, yeah, yeah, yeah. For me, that's been my story.

And guess what? I would never forget. I was so heartbroken and so hurt. And I remember everyone was telling me like, I saw your ex out. He was with this, that person, this person he's hidden in it. And I'm over here depressed, crying, sitting in the house.

And I healed. And I remember the night that my new dude told me he loved me, my ex started blowing me every day. Wanted me back. And I'm like, baby, you don't, you're missing. the window you might have had a chance. I was crying and I was sad and lonely,

but you didn't miss that window. You didn't hit it. Got all your shit out. Like, man be missing that window for real. And then as soon as they realize and appreciate, we're gone, we're gone. I ain't never circled the block. Yeah, well, you're different then. But a lot of men do that.

Once I broke. I've never been with a man who didn't circle the block. Once I broke, it was over. I understood the overness. I just, maybe I didn't have the patience to get back to the level of where you thought you was at at the peak of the love. And you saw the long road ahead. And I was just like, you know what?

Maybe it was meant to be. Yeah. Maybe it was a lesson learned. I think so, too. I think it's always a lesson learned. And I think that no experience is a waste of time because it gets you closer to where you want to be, period. So I think that more women and men should take the time out after relationships to heal, to dig into themselves, to figure out what is going on

and where you, you know, might have went wrong because it's easy to vilify the other person and make them the bad guy. I just want men to know this before you decide to circle back. Just know, in America, there are way more women than men. And that's a fact. So if that one didn't work out, you got the odds are in your favor to get something new

and be happy. Tricling. It don't have to be, listen. And be happy. I never circled the block and I'm always getting me something new. But you always go get you something. If it's over, yeah. If I'm done with someone.

How many relationships you've been in? I told you, I've been in like three very serious relationships. What does that mean? So the other ones wasn't serious? No, no, no. I haven't been in any of the relationships. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I've been in three long-term relationships.

How long are the years? Five years one, five years another, and three years, the other one. Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, thank you to our good friends at Price Picks. America's number one sports pick app.

Use code TAD and get $50 instantly in lineups when you play your first $5. Do you feel like, so Paul, he has this thing where he says women over 30 are cooked. Wow. Yeah. And I'm 34. He's strict. He's running tight ship, man. Dang.

Right. Strict over there. He says I'm cooked all the time, right? So what is your, what are your, what is cooked to mean, though? So he likes to clean it up sometimes because he said that. And then he also said that women are desperate when they're older because they don't have more options. So they just be desperate because plies one time was like, if you're over, you know, 35 or 40 and you got a job and you do like, hit me up. I'm looking for that.

And he was like, plies, I know what you do. You're looking for them desperate women because they're desperate. They don't have no option. Dang. So what are your thoughts on that? I want to hear what you have to say. I'll clean it up after. You say clean it up after.

He cleaned it up after. You're going to say your thoughts. What do you think cooked is, though? Like done, finished. Cook, cook means you have, you no longer have value. You're done.

You brown on both sides. You got the crispy edges. You sat on the counter for too long. And night, you just over it. You guys started to throw out that Thanksgiving meal. Yeah. Somebody didn't wrap it up in aluminum foil and put it in the fridge. It sat out overnight.

So now it's done. It's done. You know, the cat licked it. You know, seven flies landing on it. That's like cooked. That's cooked. But I definitely don't feel like, you know, 30-year-old women are cooked just because, you know, they single or whatever.

I just think like, you know, every, there is no blanket for everybody, of course. But it's just like, you know, you got to know their story. Yeah. What are they doing? What's their career? What have they been, you know what I'm saying, trying to attain? Like, you know, a lot of professional women, when they professional women, when they're professionals, you know, with them real jobs, work can take up a lot of time.

So they might not have had the time to be out here looking for the right man. And then a lot of women, you know what I'm saying? A lot of women be out on the trash dude. So they just be like, well, it didn't work out with us. Let me focus on me, focus on work. You know, and then time goes by. And then he's like, all right, let me try dating. They do that.

And they were, hey, ain't nobody out there. And they go back in their shell. Next thing you know, they're 34. Still valid. Still value. You know, got a lot to offer. you know, maybe they just didn't find that person. Because I look at relationships like,

what's under the hood? Every relationship, every couple I see, what's under the hood? Yeah, that's a nice car, but what's going on with the car arrangement that radiator hitting for? But don't you think that, don't you think that's like a red flag

because women like that are usually kind of self-centered? Like, I mean, I know your goal-orientated and your job took you away from, like, really trying to settle down, get married, have kids. It's women like that for sure. Yeah. And I just think, like, the qualities that they bring now to a relationship, because this is what I say about me.

Like, as a professional athlete, I was driven. I was self-centered. I was determined. I sacrificed so much. And the traits that I shared in my sport, don't really relate to a relationship because I'm selfish. I'm self-centered.

I'm driven. I'm focused on this goal. But also a team player, though. Yeah, a team player. But some of those, like, qualities don't make for, like, relationship, what you need in relationship. Yeah, I understand teamwork, but I also understood selfishness. I understood, like, blocking out.

everything and locking in, tunnel vision, and not caring what people say. Right. You know what I'm saying? But like in relationship, you got to care what your partner say. You got to like, it's like things that you was like, I don't care about this. And it made me who I was. And so now when you bring that relationship, you got to learn how to. It was hard for you to make that switch, though.

You have to unlearn it. Yeah. You know, you have to like. And do you feel like you have? Yeah. Over time. Yes. Over time, I'm like, when you have so many people telling you.

you the same thing, it's like, dude, you're fucking right. You know, you have to look in the mirror. Right, for sure. You know what I'm saying? You got to take that look like, I, I'm, no, it's not like, no, you, you, you self, and you're like, you don't believe them. But then it's like, when so many people say things about you, yeah, you like, damn. When you first got married, how old was you when you got married?

I got married at, uh, let's see how, I was like, 33 maybe, 34. And you, you were still in NBA at that time. Yeah. So at that time of like, you know, the marriage, the engagement or whatever, what was your mindset in terms of relationships at that time to be able to think, all right, I'm ready, I'm ready for this. Well, I was with the girl. We were living together for like three or four.

We had a kid. Okay. And it was just like. Might as well. It was like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, it wasn't, I loved her. I mean, we lived together.

We had a kid. But I didn't want to have more kids and not be married to her. Okay. And then I go to her sister's wedding. Yeah. And I'm kind of looking at her. Her sister kind of looking at her. Like, you know, she got the ring down.

You can see the. Yeah, kind of like the. And I was like, hold on. I'm not even, you know, I'm with her. We live together. We got a kid. So you did it for her more so than you actually wanting to be married. He's like, man, let me, let me make it official for her.

When I look back at it, probably. so because I remember when I was with her I said I'm never getting married yeah you know what I'm saying and maybe so when I think about it yeah because I think I think a lot of a lot of men do that where it's just like we got the kid but we live a married life yeah yeah together so it's like but it's not true it's not true marriage intention though from from a man's perspective it's just like let me do this for her but let me we already doing this we might as well it's like the jacket it is song. We ain't getting no younger. We might as well do this. That's a wild

ass song. But like but it's not like I want to marry this woman right here as opposed to I mean we already, you know what I mean? It's a different intention on it. Think about this too.

This is the thing I thought about. So like I thought it was important to marry her actually. Yeah. Because what if something happened to me? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I thought about all of that. That way she's taking care of the kids.

Right, yeah, yeah. So I thought, like, marriage doesn't have to just be like about, it's the business of marriage, too. It's a business for sure. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I thought about the business of it too. Like, if something happens to me and she's living in my house, we've got a kid.

Right. Like, she's going to be fucked. Yeah. And I'm like, you know what? We'll get married. Something happens. You're taking care of. Right.

It's like there's layers to it. It's more than just, I'm doing it for you. It's like I'm doing it for you, but I'm doing it for the family. I'm doing it for, you know, the things of something, you know, it doesn't work out. It was a business decision.

It was a business decision. Yeah, for sure. And sometimes you have to make a business decision. Yeah. This segment is brought you by Rose Sparks. So what do you feel like is a sexual fantasy that you haven't done that you want fulfilled? a sexual fantasy that I haven't done.

Yeah. That I won't fulfilled. Like what would you want? Like from your partner, right? Yeah, or whoever. Probably for her to hold accountability. That has nothing to do with that. That'll turn me on.

I'm talking about like bondage, choke out. Damn. Handcuffed, blindfolded, Or like threysms, like something. I wouldn't mind like a scripted role play. Okay, so what will be the role play? I don't know. Maybe like...

Like she's your team. She's come in in a suit. She's like an FBI agent banging on my shit. FBI. I'm crying. And I'm like, damn. You've been under the rest. Boom, boom, boom.

I'm dead. Pass search me, cover me, that pull the strap out on me. Get down, get down. You want her to pull the strap out on me? Get down on the floor. Boom, boom, boom. Here she just started just, take them off.

Like, what? What are you talking about, officer? Take them off. Oh, damn. Then you just boom, boom. Then next thing you know, I'm stripped shirts. And then you're cracking.

Next to you know, we're in a bad room. I'm crying. The adrenaline would be so crazy. I'm crying. Damn. You know what I would do? What would be yours? I know what mine would be.

I just thought about it. Yeah, I gave you a call. My role play would be like, I'm in a shower and I have like someone coming to work on the house. And so he comes in. But then he's like, man, I'm trying to get me. And then he sees me in the shower. And then he's like, oh, shit.

And then I see him and shine. And he knows that I seen him. We're looking at each other. And boom. Because he's in there to fix the toilet. You know what I'm saying? Or the sink. So you're in there.

You're going into the bathroom. But I'm in the shower. And I didn't know you were coming this quickly. getting into the house. Just don't get about, why do you have to get to all the details? You open the door? You open the door with a towel? No, I didn't even open the door.

The door was open. It was unlocked. I live in a white neighborhood, okay? It was unlocked. He came in. He saw me in the shower. Then I saw him. So then I'm like giving a little show.

And then boom, we get cracking. And then he comes in there. He's like, I can't help it. You're just so sexy. I need you right now. That's true. Okay, okay. I'm crying.

Or like, or maybe like I'm a teacher and I'm like, you're going to happen. But then that's kind of weird because I don't want it to be like, how old are you in the class? You know what I mean? That gets weird a little bit. But also, too, I feel like maybe like a blindfold situation and a tie-up situation is something that I would try. You know what I mean? And like, because that makes you really not in control. so you have to completely let go and trust your partner to like take care of you in that way.

Yeah. You know what I mean? So that's like a whole different vibe. Do you have anything else? Role play is definitely like it turns you on because it's like and you can set up different scenarios. What's another scenario? So I guess, you know, for me another scenario would be crazy. What?

Maybe like, maybe like on a like red eye flight, everybody not. knocked out. Oh, that's, oh, like that's a fantasy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's kind of edgy and you don't know somebody, you don't want to get caught and you're nervous. You're sitting in first class or you're like looking around, you over here and then she don't do, you know. And then what is going on though? Is it a little. She's going down on you right now. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. That would be crazy. That would be intense. That would be interesting. So you like if like the full flight, full flight. You just like, damn, everybody's

sleep. You got the lights off. First class. That's interesting. I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that. You got your blanket on. You got your blanket on.

You're out of need the blanket. Yeah, that'll be lit. That'll be lit. Okay. And you sleep, but then she wake you up to it. Oh. Oh, that'll be led. That'll go.

That'll go. I'm crying. Like, oh. It was cracking. Like from Ballade of London or something. But then like, Yeah, what if they catch you? And they're like, excuse me, you guys.

Y'all ain't turning around. We're going to London. Yeah, it's not like, what are you going to do? You can't take it off the flight. You ain't turning this around. Okay, do you have any other ones? Not off the top, though. You know, a lot of this is kind of like maybe on some spontaneous.

But do you think that if you were role playing, you would be able to keep, like, a serious face? Like, would you be able to really follow through your role? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Or it would be a situation I thought. office and I'm in my suit. That's a good one. You come knock on my door.

Like it's an assistant, your assistant? Or you're like boss? No, no, like my boss right there. They're boss. You're boss. You're like, hey, I'm sorry, I have to fire you. But before you go, I'll send you off right.

That would be crazy. That would be super intense. Man, I don't have to put that. I'm going to script that. Put a suit on. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm emptying out my stuff. Then next to you.

you know, boom, got me. Damn, that's a good one. I like that. I like that a lot. I feel like I would definitely rock with that one. I feel like back in the day when you would watch freaky movies, they used to have like lead up. They used to have like a whole like scripting.

Like now they just get straight to it. Back of the day it was like, I'm knocking on the door. Oh my God, I caught you. You caught me in the thing. Like it used to be a whole situation, like a movie. Yeah. Now it's just like straight to it. Which, I guess, whatever, to each its own.

Which ones? What's you mean? Like, which ones are you watching, were they straight to it? I'm not watching that. How do you know? But I just know, I've seen it, but I don't watch, I don't really watch porn at all. I don't. Like, I used to, like, watch it here and there.

But now I just feel like it's just not doing it for me, you know? Yeah. But people say that the best is on Twitter or X. Really? Because it's, like, amateur, and it's like real people making videos, and people say that it's like, And I've seen some of them. I didn't know what I was on. Oh, yeah.

And I've seen some of them, and they're cracking on there. Like, I'm not going to lie. People who don't know, they're cracking on X. I didn't know they had. Yeah. Oh, X is where. They're rated X on X. Oh, yeah, they have rate.

That's the biggest thing on X. Really? What? Yes. My algorithm off. No, that's good. I'm glad I ain't watching that. So kids can watch this?

Yeah. That's why you have to put them controls on them kids. You got to be careful because kids have access to everything now. Yeah. Like when I was young, I would go in the dictionary to look at the naked people. The dictionary? Yeah, because they would have it in an encyclopedia. They'll tell you like different body parts.

Oh, damn. And they would be naked and I would like learn body parts like that. Now you could just see anything. Boom, boom, boom, pull it up. Pull it up. Pull it up is crazy. Okay. Well, anyways, thank you to Rose Sparks for this segment.

If prescribed, new sexual health patients get. $15 off their first order of sparks on a reoccurring plan. Connect with the provider at row.co slash t-a-d to find out if prescription Rowe sparks are right for you. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so people don't think about that. Well, when women say that, because we had the girls from poor minds, I don't know

that podcast, they were on our show. And she said marriage is a business decision. It is. And you were like, see, that's why women just want to marry men for a business decision. Now you're saying the same exact thing. So I'm confused. Because it's like, yeah, because you went off on like, oh, there, you know, women just want to marry man for this. But it's like, it is a business.

I think marriage is getting the government involved in your relationship. Thanks. So it is a business decision. It's the commitment, of course, yes. I think a lot of women like the idea of like you're willing to commit to me. And that's the security and safety of knowing like I'm investing this time, this energy with you. and I know that, you know, like we're here, we're locked in. It's not just like we're breaking up by, you know.

It's more technical than that. And I think women want to feel like they have that security and safety and that commitment, you know. So for us, too, it's like that bit, it's a business decision in that aspect, you know, but it's also like I feel like the commitment and the love should come before the, it should already be there. You know what I mean? Like we're not going to the altar with all our friends and family and now we're suddenly committed. Right. The commitment should already exist.

And we're doing this because we've decided this is good for our relationship moving forward. You know? But people look to the marriage to be like, this is going to solve something. This is going to make us better somehow. That's a recipe for disaster right there. Exactly. Every time. Exactly.

That's going to fix us. No it ain't. Exactly. Just like people think a baby's going to, oh, bring us closer. Baby is hard for people who are actually in love. If you have issues and you bring a baby into it, it's going to make it even worse. Yeah. That's going to.

Recipes for disaster. Exactly. Like, no, nothing is going to save your marriage, but actually doing the work. Doing the work. Communicating. Yeah. Yeah. Compromising, all that good stuff.

Do you believe in, like, going to therapy and stuff? Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yeah. I haven't been a big therapy goer. Okay. But I believe in it for sure.

Okay. Yeah. I'm not sure I'll ever do that. No? No. Ever? I've done it. Okay.

It was a disaster for me. Yeah. Why was there? A disaster. Because I feel like, like, think about therapy. I feel like I went to couples therapy. Okay. My ex-wife.

How many times, roughly? Two. Oh. But this is my thing. You didn't even crack the surface. No, no, but listen, though, if you guys are going through it, it's like, it's not good, the relationship's not good, and they're like, let's go to therapy. Yeah.

Right? Uh-huh. What is that saying? you're trying to work on it, right? Right. But when you go to therapy, I didn't realize the therapy I was going to was to help break it.

Oh, they were trying to break the... Oh, it's to uncouple. Huh? It was the therapy to uncouple. That's the thing where they do therapy to, like, uncouple. Really? Yeah.

So when I go there, it was like, you know, how do you guys see each other? Do you love her? You can see yourself working it out? I'm like, hell yeah. Then he asked her, she was like, I don't think so. Oh. And so I'm like, what am I here for?

I mean, like, what am I here for? Right. And I literally, from that, when I heard that, I got up and walked up. You just negated the whole purpose of the therapy. But why are we here? To fix. She wanted to go, because it was her idea for the therapy. Right.

She wanted to go to see if she could fix her mindset of where y'all were at. Like even though she said, I can't see it right now, that's what she was at in the moment. But she was like, well, maybe therapy can open things up to maybe I can't change my view of him. And so therapy can help guide people into why do I feel this way? Why do I feel like I want to crap out? You know what I'm saying? And so she was just being honest in that moment. But she might not necessarily meant like it's over, it's done.

But the way I feel now, I don't know if I see a future. and then that's therapy can be like, oh, I never thought of it that way or I didn't know you felt that way. Why do you feel that way? Because a lot of times when people say, I feel like this, they'd be like, all right, well, shoot,

what you want me to do? Instead of being like, okay, what's the origin story on why you feel the way you feel right there? And then that's when you start to unpack all the stuff that led up to, I'm not feeling this. A lot of people won't even get that far.

That's real. They get defensive. I've been in that position and I was in couples therapy and I felt the way of like, I can't see you in a certain light anymore. But it's like I want to be with you. So I want to figure out how I can not be so guarded with you now because I don't trust you. And I feel like you're a different person in my eyes now. And I say all that to say, not for someone to walk out, but to be like, okay, so like you said,

where can we get to the root of that and fix that issue? You know what I mean? And sometimes it can be fixed. Sometimes it can't. You know what I mean? It's just, it just depends. So, Paul had said another thing. So Paul has said.

You never say nothing? That's the name of the podcast. I don't know. The podcast, this is changed it to Paul had said, honestly. I feel like she's saying more than me. Paul has said. What is something I said? I mean, you say stuff.

What did I say? I don't know. You say stuff. What is the stuff? I don't know. It's not in my top of my hand right now. Okay. Well, Paul had said that he said, he said,

she on your girl if you want to know if she loves you or not. I remember this. That was another hot thing he had that was wild. It was like, cheat on your girl? And then he's like, well, maybe you don't cheat on her. Maybe you just lie to her and tell her you did cheat to see what her reaction is. This is wild, though. This is wild.

This is mental warfare, though. I know, that's toxic. It is. That's toxic avenger, though That is toxic Avengers That's crazy Yeah, no Man

I mean No I'm not saying Now So I No I don't agree with it either Like

Because I don't think How you get in a relationship I'm like Let me see if this is Let me see how real it is I'm gonna let her catch me I'm gonna put my phone right here Let me smash these other braids

To tell her about it Let me see if you can take the heat You can take the deep back, man. I don't think you really feeling me, man. Let me see. Let me smash your best friend. Like, like, all right, I don't care. In order, like, especially a man in your position, how do you know if the girl like you? She goes see a show and then you connect y'all. Right. She loved, like, the show and all of that. But how you know she liked you for you, you got to go through something. What is that?

that's got to happen to show you that she really love you. Definitely not cheating, though. No, but I'm just, like, you have to go through something. You got to go through something just to see if it's real. Yeah, what is that? For me, because I feel like if I cheated, don't take me back. Damn. Yeah, that's real because that's self-respect.

Yeah, I fucked up, man. You don't want none of this. That's the mindset I had. You don't want none of this, man. You're better off. And, like, plus I'd be like, you're going to, gonna get revenge. You gonna get revenge.

In the back of my mind, you go get their revenge, didn't you? I know you got their revenge. Yeah. And so for me, like, I guess like the litmus test would just be like, just regular trials and tribulations.

Like, you know, how do we resolve conflict? You know what I mean? In terms of like, if we're not getting along, how do we battle? You know, does it get disrespectful? Does it get ugly? You know what I'm saying?

And like I feel like in those moments, you can really see, you can really see people's metal in that term because you be like, oh, that's how you act when you're mad. Oh, you'd be saying some wild shit when you're mad. It's like, damn. You know what I'm saying? And so once you see people when they're angry,

you can get a clear snapshot of who that person is. 100%. It was like, man, you was really mad at me, but you really conveyed it in the way that was like. Mature. Yeah. Yeah, I'm respectful. Yeah, it's almost like, wow.

So you can follow suit or, you know, you're the one that's like, I talk shit about you. You know what I'm saying? I wish the worst on you. Damn. And so I feel like those moments are a real good litmus test on, you know, somebody really feeling you how you work through those moments. Because cheating is the cream of the crop on a non-negotiable, really.

Everything else is negotiable. All right, so listen. You feel like cheating is non-negotiable. No, no, but there's levels to cheating. Let's not say cheating is having sex with another girl. Oh, yeah, yeah. There are levels to cheat. Yeah.

Like, say you out with your boys, she walked in, you got a girl on your lap. Is that cheating? That's cheating. That's a little light tier, a low tier, you know what I'm saying? You violated, you disrespect it. You get me out here looking like a fool because that girl on your lap. There's levels to it. That's different than actual sex.

Yeah. Being disrespected, especially publicly, just shows like, what are you else are you willing to do? Because if I didn't walk in and you have a woman, if I was on a man's laugh, that's over for him. You never, it's, the relationship is over. If you walk in and I'm sitting on a man's lap, it's over. The relationship is done. Dunskies. Done.

Your stuff is on the curb of the venue. I walked in on you all. Now, why would a man think that a woman wouldn't feel the same way? That's crazy. Like that double standard, that's not going to work. If I see a woman on your lap, I'm cool. Because that means you're willing to disrespect me publicly, embarrass me. No, no, no, no, no, no, I wasn't like that.

It wasn't like that. Get out. Watch out. Watch out. Come here, come here, come here. No, I was drinking. She just did that. I was being nice.

I don't want to push her off. I'm cool. You too nice. You too friendly for me. I don't like no friendly ass man anyways. You got all that going on. I'm cool. Like, a woman sitting on your lap is this like all.

disrespectful. Like what don't you see that? You don't have respect for me. That's period point blank. I think disrespect is a high thing for me on my list because I think if there's not respect in a relationship, it's really, really hard to follow suit on a lot of other things. If I don't respect you, then what makes you think that I'm not going to cheat on you, flirt with someone else, mess with your homeboy, talk to you, whoever, like, what makes you think that? It's a snowball effect. Yeah, it's a snowball. If you don't have zero respect for me and you could be out willy-nilly with a woman on your lap. Yeah.

That's crazy. That's just as crazy. How deep into the lap is she sitting, though? Right here. Right. There's levels to the lap. Right. It's levels to it.

I don't get it. Is she on the knee? Is she on the knee? Am I on the knee of a man? Is that going to be okay? It's better than you being placed deep into the lap. So if I'm sitting on a man's knee, but she's in between his knee. Is that going to be okay?

Is that going to be okay? No. Exactly. That's all. It's not going to be okay. No matter what. All right, what if you walk in and she's not on the lap, she's just twerking in front of me. Like, I'm like, oh, I'm like, I'm into it though.

Is that she's into it? You're into it. You, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's not on the lap. She's not on the lap. And she's not a dancer.

And she's not a dance. She's a civilian. She just wanted to be right there. And I was just like, oh, okay, yeah. I feel like that's not as. It's not as bad. That's just the party. That's just like, you said it's what?

That's just the party. You're right. It's not as bad. But if I'm twerking on a man and you walk in, is that, what is that? Is that a problem? That is a problem. Wait, he's sitting down. There's no such thing as double standard in a relationship.

I'm sorry. You can't do that. And I'm not saying I can do it or that's cool for me to do it. It's like this. I will tell you, there's no double standard. Because I'll call you, if I'll call, if I get mad and we arguing, And I'll call you a bitch, right? Uh-huh.

But if you call me one, that's disrespectful. More disrespectful is for a woman to call a man than a man to call a woman one. Because now, if you call your man one, think about that. If your girl call you that based on if y'all mad at each other or you call her that when y'all mad at each other, it's different if it comes out of a girl off to a man. I will say that if a woman calls you a bitch,

that's crazy. That's deeply rude. disrespect. Like, she don't respect you at all. At all. A man could call a woman a bitch and still love that girl. Exactly. He's just mad right now.

He just mad right now. But if a woman calls a man a bitch, that's disrespectful. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's she don't even see you as a, as a man. You know what? I've never been called, I've never been called a bitch by, like, a relationship. I'll be honest. Like, I never had that.

Yeah. So I think it will probably take me a back if someone now did that to me. Because I'll be like, wow, I never. I never, it's new for me. I'd be like, whoa. But if you called a man a bitch. But I'd never call a man a bitch to his face. Like to my home girl, this bitch.

My home are this bitch. I mean, fucked up. I can't stand this bitch. But you have respect enough to not say it to him. I would never. I would never call a man. You're right, though. There's not double standards.

I'm with you on that piece. You know what I'm saying? You're saying that there are double standards on men and women. Like I just said. It means that they are double standards. Like it goes back to the twerking in front. He's saying there are. You're saying there are double standards.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm saying you are. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, you're right. There's double standards. There are double standards. Yeah. Like, a girl twerking in front of me and you twerker in front of a man is different. It's like a woman kissing her home girl and a man kissing his home boy.

No, no. That's different. That's different. That's a double standard. If a girl, if a girl kiss another girl, be like, okay. Yeah. But let you walk in on me sobbing the dude down. Yeah.

What's so, baby? This, Steve. Like, you're going to be like. Like, what? You're a bitch, dog. You're a bitch, dog. You're a bitch now. I was teaching Steve.

Oh, that's what we're doing. That's what we doing. I was just showing up. We just got a little drunk. That's correct. I was just experimenting in college. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I will say that there are double standards when it comes to men and women.

That's what all I'm so sure. But I also believe, like, men expect women to take them back when they cheat, a lot of time, but a man will not get over a woman cheating. No, hell no. Like men, it's very hard for a man. Some will, but it's very hard for men to get over that. Yeah, like, most men will be like, you cheat. It's over, man.

I can't, I could never unsee the cheat. Yeah. Even if we smash, I'm going to be like, this is how this nigga was doing you when you was cheating on me. Is this how he was doing it? Is this how he was looking? Huh? No, man.

Because you got to know yourself. You be like, I can't, I can't survive it. But there's levels to the cheek. It depends on how far it went. So what are the levels to the cheek? So like, there's flirting. Okay. There's a little extra communication going on,

little in person flirting. Are those texts? Those I want to know are those ones that you can get past. If they're talking and flirting, I can get past. Okay. You can get past talking and flirting. Once you get physical, though, You can't get past the physical.

What if it was just a kiss? And we was together? Yeah. French? French. Francie? Francie. Like, I just kissed him.

It was just, um, it was sad. He was comforting me. Get out of here. He was comforting me at work. Let's say, let's say it got to that level. Okay. And we, we was having hard times. We was on the outs.

We was kind of in the crazy space. Yeah. And I also did some dirt on my end. Yeah. I could probably get past the French. Okay, okay. You can get back the front. Anything more.

If the penis showed up at any point in time. Then it's done. If that dick came out on your watch, I'm out. I'm out. If you pulled it out, if you handled it. Then it's over. It's over. Dunskies.

Done. All right, let me ask y'all this. Is this cheating? Say you go to your girl crib and y'all in the bed and you just go on her. drawer real quick. Like, something's happening. I don't know. I'm drinking a wos.

Let me see if there's a towel in here. You open up the drawer that she got one of these dildos like this. That's not cheap. Is that cheap? I'm talking about, like, I'm talking about that. No one wants that.

No one wants that, first of all. No, most women don't want that. I'm like, this what you want? That's way too big. This what you want? If I got to hand it to it like this? Yeah, you got to hand it to it like this. This is what you into?

That's not cheating. I can't compete. Is that cheating? No. It's not cheating. It's a little deceptive. What's going to go through your hair? Why is it deceptive?

Like, when did she get it? Like, you know what? When did you get this? Like, you know what I'm saying? If she already had that, then she don't owe that to me like before. But like if we were in the relationship, and she bought it while we were in the relationship, that's deception. That hurts your ego.

Yeah, because it's like, yo, let me see if I can measure up. You know what if you just can't, like physically? You know, the measuring is not measuring. This is big. Mind you, I will say this, most women don't want this, this, this. We like a regular, like, that hurts. But I will say, so let me give you this scenario. What if, we've said this before, what if your woman subscribe to a man only fans?

And you walk in on her on the only fans of a popular guy, like, let's say it's like Safari. Because I think he has only fans or something. So one of these men that have only fans. So she's breaking bread on this, nika? She's watching Safari all the thing and she's using the thing like something, her, she's using her thing. That's not cheating.

That's not cheating. That's not cheating. But that's awkward to me. Oh, for sure. Like if I'm walking in on my man doing the only fans of a woman that's like on Instagram that you could see,

like you could kind of see this girl maybe. What's the difference if he's watching porn and you walk in? The porn would be better. Just a regular porn actress. I think more regular porn actress is better because it's like, let's say you're watching someone who's just like an Instagram

model. Yeah. Like, who's to say you can't really, like, so you're fantasizing about this one. Like, porn is a bunch of random different women. Like, who knows? Right. Now you're subscribing to this one girl and you're watching all of her stuff. Yeah.

I don't like that. It is a little different because it's like, yeah, man, she got the only fans, $30 a month. Yeah, you're all there like that. I'm free porn hub McGee, man, free. Do you know about the porn on Twitter on X? What are I was talking about? I'll be seeing it sometime, but I'm really on there anymore. I don't know how to get to it, though.

Yeah, because it's like a whole situation. My home girl was talking about it. Like, supposedly X is like where all the videos, the good videos are. They say like amateur videos. I don't know. Someone has to like send them to you and then your algorithm will get flooded. What you got to put in there? What you got to put?

Well, how do you get to it? I don't know. I always end up stumbling upon it. I'm like, oh, man, it usually be good cleaning. It's good. It's good clips. Probably. I don't know how I got to them.

I can never remember. It's good clips on there supposedly. I seen a few though. No, because I've seen a few, but I'm not into the world. I'm not deep in the world, though. I don't be on Twitter at all. I barely have Twitter now. Yeah, but I've seen a few of them.

I'm on Twitter more than Instagram. There was some good ones on there though. They say they're heading on. What do you got to put in? I don't know how to find that I got to. Somebody has to post it in like a reply to another thing. thing. Yeah.

And then you go down that rabbit hole. Yeah. I'd be like, this album was good. And then they'd be like, I'm like, I'm like, what the fuck is it? And then nice than you know, I'm in the. You're in the world of X. Yeah. I'm like, oh, snap.

I'm crying. Well, we really, really appreciate you coming on the show, Tony. We love you. We love your content. Yeah. We just really rock with everything that you're doing. So we have to come to one of your shows, too. I would love to come to your show.

I'm back on my monthly. Okay. What you got? What you got? Tony Bacon and friend. at Flappers in Burbank. Okay. I do it once a month.

It'll be, it's normally the last Monday every month, but this month it'll be a Tuesday. So it'll be like. Oh, I'm in there. So, yeah. So it's a good time, man. We'd be vibing in there. I host it.

So I'm up there all night. It's fun. In the Valley? Really? Okay. You said Burbank. Burbank, yeah. I love comedy nights.

We go once a week to comedy. Yeah. Oh, hell yeah. Comedy is so fun. What show y'all go to the most? So we just went to. Chris Spence Red Gravitage last week.

Okay. I went, Spank did something the other day. Him, and so we always go to call. And what was the guy that you liked? What's his name? Tate. Oh, Kevin Tate.

That's my boy, man. He's funny. He's really, really funny. He's really funny. Yeah, I heard he can hoop. Yeah, he can hoot. Yeah, for sure. That's my dude, though.

Kevin Tate. I love, I love him. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, you guys, if you're in L.A., make sure you guys check out Tony's show. we have all, we'll put all his information below so you can follow him. He has funny skits

and all that stuff. Hilarious. We really appreciate you coming on the show. Anything else? Also, too, the Ball Brothers show we'll be doing that once a month too. There's me and Kevin on stage. We do a show together when we're on stage simultaneously and it's real audience interacting.

We ask audience questions and if we like to answer, you'd be like, do you want to come on stage? And then, so we're doing that once a month too, also at Flappers. So we got Don't. Where can we find all that information? It'll be like if you go to my Instagram, you can click on the link or Tonybeckercomedy.com. We'll have all the shows.

Okay, perfect. We'll put that below and I'm coming for sure. Yeah, we're going to come check that out 100%. For sure. 100%. All right. Have me back, man. Yeah, yeah.

Come back anytime just not when the lake is a plan. Yeah, because this was crazy. We're so sorry. You had a rough drive. I know you had a rough drive. You're out there tonight. I know you had a rough drive. That's good to know.

It's the heart of the city right here. Everybody's in the arena now, so you're good. Yeah. Well, I look, yeah. Glad about it here. Okay. Well, thank you guys. Make sure you guys subscribe, follow,

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