Club Shay Shay - Tony Dungy defends putting Tom Brady at No. 6 on Toughest QBs to Face list + his SB XII story | REWIND EPISODE

Episode Date: August 8, 2022

In this special rewind episode of Club Shay Shay, revisit one of Shannon's favorite segments from the show so far.00:00 Tony Dungy defends putting Tom Brady at No. 6 as his toughest QB to coach against. “Who I put ahead of Tom Brady: Aaron Rodgers, John Elway, Steve Young, guys who could move. Not to say Tom wasn’t great, but that extra dimension meant something to me." Dungy later goes on to talk about the upcoming young QB’s and how the game has progressed.5:02 Tony Dungy tells Shannon why he chose to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers.. “I thought: I want to win and I want to play with the best, so I’ll go to Pittsburgh.” Dungy later goes on to talk about the epic Super Bowl XII showdown vs the Cowboys. “Neither side was intimidated. Every time I wasn’t in the game I was on the sidelines watching like: ‘What is happening out there?!’ There were great players all over the field.”Listen & follow more FOX Sports podcasts: http://sprtspod.fox/applepodcasts#DoSomethinB4TwoSomethin & Follow Club Shay Shay:                                                                 https://www.instagram.com/clubshayshayhttps://twitter.com/clubshayshayhttps://www.facebook.com/clubshayshayhttps://www.youtube.com/c/clubshayshay Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You had a ranking. You said that Brady was the sixth most difficult quarterback in NFL history to defend. Do you still agree with your ranking? And why do you say he was the sixth most difficult quarterback to defend? Well, first of all, I don't think you can rank across generations anyway. Right. So I said, I'm not gonna do that and I'm not gonna go by statistics or whatever. I'm gonna go by who was toughest on me.

Right. So now I gotta start. I'm never putting Tom Brady ahead of Peyton Manning. So the best he can be is two. Because Peyton was my guy. So the highest he could ever get is two. Correct, okay. Then I started thinking of, okay, who gave me real problems? John Elway, you could do everything right, have the perfect defense.

He's going to move around and make something happen and kill you. And he killed me enough to say he was difficult. Steve Young was the same way. Those mobile quarterbacks. So that's who I put ahead of Tom. Aaron Rodgers, John Elway, Steve Young, guys who could move. Not to say Tom wasn't great. He is great.

But that extra dimension meant something to me. So that's why I would only put him at six. Just my opinion. Now we look at, and you've mentioned the evolution of the mobile quarterback. Not only look these quarterbacks, when we say mobile coach, they're not looking to run the football. They're looking to still throw the football and they can throw it on the move. They can throw it wrong foot. They can throw it rolling left. They can throw it rolling right. You look at Deshaun Watson. You look at patrick mahomes you look at aaron rogers you look at russell wilson i just saw josh allen last night and he's playing unbelievable when you look at these quarterback what's been the biggest transformation

why are these quarterbacks coming in and being able to play so well so early i think his coach is adapting rather than taking that rookie quarterback and saying you got to learn all this stuff and you got to learn how to be a pocket passer and you've got to learn this and learn that. They're saying, no, let me take what this young man does and build on it. So I've got the RPOs in, I've got bootlegs in for them. And that's stuff that you never saw before. And so now it's Russell Wilson and Deshaun creating. And instead of the coach saying, no, no, no, don't do that. The coach is saying, you know what? This helps us and we'll put scramble drills in. And when, when Russell does this receivers, you do that. We'll put bootlegs in Josh Allen. We're going to let you go. And I think coaches have come out of

their shell and they've let these guys be who they are. Coach, are you surprised Patrick Holmes is this good? I mean, I thought I saw him. I saw him throw for over 700 yards against Oklahoma. But everybody throws for a bunch of yards in the Big 12. Are you surprised he's this? He's on. He has a chance to be all time generational trend. Transcendent great. Not just good. He can be great, great, great. Yeah, I am. And what amazes me about him is that 25 years old, his concept and his processing of information and his control of the game, very few mistakes, very few interceptions,

very few bad checks. So add the great arm skills and all of that. But the mental capacity that he has a 25 that has amazed me. And you look at the weapon then for Andy, and look, you think about it, they went to the playoffs, they wanted division, they went to the playoffs, if I'm not mistaken, and he moves up 17 spots to take Patrick Mahomes when he had a quarterback that went to the playoffs. But I think Andy Envision, I got Tyreek, a guy that can take the top off. We've never seen anything like this since Bob Hayes. I got a guy in Travis Kelsey. In order for me to maximize that, I need a guy that can throw the ball over the top. Yep, yep. They saw something special. I don't know why they saw it and everybody else didn't,

but they saw something special in Patrick Mahomes and to put him in the lineup, to make that switch from a playoff quarterback, that takes a lot of guts and they did it and they knew they were going to the next level and then to put stuff in for him 55-yard corner routes you know things that we haven't seen before you'd get you people would think you're crazy for actually just putting that play in right oh patrick can do it we're going to take advantage of what he can do i think it been amazing. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast, NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal. Five days a week, you'll get all the latest news,

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of them winning that Super Bowl. I don't know why, Colleen. Catch the podcast, the NFL Daily with Greg Rosenthal every day. Subscribe today and you'll immediately be smarter and funnier than your friends. And who doesn't want that? Listen now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You go undrafted, they say, well, if you want an opportunity to play in the NFL, you're going to have to switch positions. You switch positions, you go undrafted, they say, well, if you want an opportunity to play in the NFL, you're going to have to switch positions. You switch positions, you go undrafted.

Why did you settle? Because obviously when you're undrafted, you get to choose, I mean, Pittsburgh probably off of you, maybe another team. What made you decide to go to the Steelers? Besides they were coming out for Super Bowl. I had a chance, I really did. Bill Poland was the general manager in Montreal. Mark was the coach. They had my rights and they said, you can come to Canada, play quarterback, guaranteed money, we're going to take care of you.

This is the league that will showcase your talent. I got a call from the Steelers and they said, we already have Terry Bradshaw. We have other quarterbacks. But you come here, coach, and old, like, smart players. He'll find a spot for you. And I thought, you know, I want to win, and I want to play with the best so I can go to Pittsburgh.

Now, it was foolish because the wide receivers, Lynn Swan and John Stallworth, were backup receivers at that point. They had 11 guys on defense that were in the Pro Bowl. They had an all Pro Bowl secondary. Donnie Schell was a backup safety. So people, how are you going to make a team? You know, you're going to switch positions. That's all right, but they don't need you. And I said, you know what? I don't care. I want to play with the best. And I think that was just the Lord taking care of me. I ended up going there.

It was unbelievable. Guys holding out, guys got hurt. About 50 things had to happen for me to make the team, but I made it switching over to defense. And I began to learn the defensive side of the ball. And so three years later, I'm a coach with the Steelers. Coach, you play with the Steelers and you mentioned that might have been the most talented team in NFL history. When you look at it, they got two wide receivers that's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The running back, the quarterback, the center.

You got Mel Blunt, Jack Hamm, Jack Lambert, Joe Jack Lambert Joe Green LC Greenwood could easily be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame Donnie Shell who I know you're very close with uh just made the Pro Football Hall of Fame you're talking about nine ten guys in the Pro Football Hall of Fame your head coach and your owner is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame unbelievable team and uh it started you mentioned the owner Art Rooney Sr. That's where it started. He and his son Dan Rooney put together an organization. This is how we're going to be. We're going to be first class, we're going to be family atmosphere and we're going to find good players. 1969 they hired Chuck Noll but in 1969 they also did something that was kind of

unheard of at the time. There was a sports writer for the black newspaper, the Pittsburgh Courier, that they hired, Bill Nunn. They hired him as a scout. And so all of a sudden, he's going to Alabama A&M. And he's going to Florida A&M. Southern. And he's going to Southern and Savannah State. Melanie's for sure. Bethune, yes.

Yep, and so all of a sudden we've got these guys, Frank Lewis and Glenn Edwards and Mel Blunt and Donnie Shell and John Stallworth that people weren't looking at at the time. So now you get a great coach and you supply this extra injection of talent and Coach Knoll put it together and it was a great atmosphere.

It really was and I learned a lot about being a man. I learned about football and I learned about how to really embrace the city and that that's what Mr. Rooney said when you came there. Hey, you're a Pittsburgh Steeler, but it's not just on the football field. You're a Pittsburgher all the way and you got to embrace the city and I learned so much in that organization. Coach, are you surprised you got traded because you led the team in interceptions? I mean, six interceptions most times

will get you to the Pro Bowl. I was shocked. Yeah, really. We were coming off a Super Bowl. I'd led the team in interceptions. We had a lot of chemistry, but we just had so many good players then. And we drafted a couple of corners

and Coach Noel just felt like, you know, and we drafted a couple of corners and uh coach no just felt like you know i can use some of these corners and and we'll be better off so it was one of those things but again i always looked at it like i think it was the lord kind of taking me out of my comfort zone put me in a place where i could learn a little bit more because eventually i was going to be a coach i was never going to be a great player, but going through that San Francisco situation and learning how Eddie DiBarlo built a winning organization and Bill Walsh winning situation, it really helped me down the road.

Coach, you beat, I mean, there was something about the matchup between the Steelers and the Cowboys. And it might've been a couple of years earlier where they say it was the greatest collection of talent. If I'm not mistaken, it was about 16 or 17 Hall of Famers on the field at a given time. And there haven't been that many before or since. What was it like to be on the field

and you're playing the Cowboys with that star study? You got Roger Staubach, you got Tony Dorsett, you got all those you know uh tony hill drew pearson you i mean they're loaded on offense and defense as well as you guys are yeah no we it was one of those just unbelievable situation where you kind of know it's going to come down to that and we're going to play these guys and neither side was intimidated and you knew they were going to be great games and we're going to play these guys and neither side was intimidated right and you knew they were going to be great games and we enjoyed playing against them they enjoyed playing against us and yeah you're right you're out there and it's it's mel blunt covering drew pearson and it's you know randy white going against john cole and it's it might work one it's one after another after another

and Tony Dorsett running inside against Jack Lambert. And it was just, when I wasn't in the game, I was just right on the sidelines just watching what is happening out there. And it was fascinating, but it was two teams that really believed in themselves and believed in their style of play. And it was great players all over the field.

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