Club Shay Shay - Trevor Jackson Speaks On His Recent Break-Up, Bringing Back Love, & His New Album | Truth After Dark

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Truth After Dark family, we have a superstar on the show this week! Actor, singer, & all-around creator, Trevor Jackson, joined us to discuss his new album, managing his recent break-up, dealing with an abortion and so much more! Be ready to learn about Trevor in a whole new light! Put the kids to sleep, grab yourself a drink and get ready for another amazing show! Follow us: Azar Farideh: [@AzarFarideh] Paul Pierce: [@PaulPierce] Trevor Jackson: [@TrevorJackson5] New Album: "“I Love You Goodbye.” Studio "Aura House": [@Aurahouseclub] Follow The Truth After Dark on all platforms: Instagram: [@TruthAfterDarkPod] TikTok: [@TruthAfterDarkPod] Patreon: https://patreon.com/TheTruthAfterDark?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcast, episodes drop weekly. What point did you say, like, she ain't, she loves me for me? Like, what had to happen? You got to see because I don't see. Has your ex-texted you since this song? Has he hasn't? No, no. She hasn't?

No, no, no. I'm definitely reaching out like, wow, you're writing all this shit about me. Guys, we don't want to break up. Yeah. At Jeter, we don't want to break up. Women don't want to break up either, but unfortunately we're pushed to that at one point. And I want to make sure that a lot of older men understand that my dad is one of those people. This is an older man.

I know a lot of people that she should be on his head. No, he's on me. I have to get him back. He caused me an older woman every time. I do that. Go, go, okay, go, go, go. No one watches. and says she's not feminine.

No, we, we... Some people do. No, they do. They come from me on very head. Well, don't listen to those people. They're weird those. Yeah, don't listen to those people, damn. Well, you're the one saying that all the things.

I don't say it. He didn't say, he just said strong. Strong voice. Strong voice. Strong. This is blowing me. Stop doing this, though. This is blowing me.

This right here is like, what in the, what? You got to do it. Well, this is the symbol for strong. Yeah. Like, this is blowing me. Stop this. Like, I'm not giving bodybuilder. This is the taking over the game.

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All their information will be below. It's honor. Definitely. Yeah, we're super excited to have you. So you have a new album that's coming out in about like a week or so, right, nine days. Yeah. Um, so how are you feeling? I know that it's a breakup album, right?

Yes, yes. So, yeah, like, we gotta get into this, okay? Because, you know, we, we went through something. Yeah, of course. Of course. I feel like to be creative, you have to have that pain a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm excited about it.

It feels like there's a weight lifted, you know. I have other music that I have done, but I was like, I want to be able to move forward in life and I have this thing that I made in a place of healing, you know, still resting on me. the fact that I get to put it out into the world and could potentially help somebody through their breakup or whatever, then my job is done, you know, so. Okay, can you talk to us about the breakup a little bit? Yeah, I guess it just didn't work, you know what I mean?

I think we were just two people young trying to make something work that just didn't, you know, trying to put a triangle in a circle, you know what I mean? Like it just, it didn't work. And, you know, it ended, she broke up with me, which is, you know, it's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Women always break up.

But this is what we always say, men don't break up with women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Women usually do the breaking up, but men will do a lot of shit to make her break up. Yeah. And that's the truth. How long were you guys together? About six years or not. Oh, that's a minute.

Were you holding on and fighting for it? Yeah. I think even when I maybe knew it wasn't the right thing, just because I'm that type of person. Like my whole life I've had to just kind of swallow my pride and just, you know, if everything doesn't fall perfectly into a line, I still know how to work through and push through. And I think that was also to my own detriment in this situation. You know, I'm just like, I want it to work, I want it to be right, you know. Yeah, yeah.

And, you know, you live. You learn and I'm thankful for it. You know what I'm saying? Where I'm at now, I would go through it a billion times again. I was able to create some incredible music and I think, again, I'll be able to help a lot of people through a tough time. See, that's what I've been through that before. I've been through a long relationship, break up, like the first girl I was with, like,

seven, eight years and I felt like it was over three years. before actually ended. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But you try to make it work because like you say, like we say, guys, we don't want to break up. Yeah. Generally, we don't want to break up. Women don't want to break up either.

But unfortunately, we're pushed to that at one point. What's the woman to break up? I would probably say... What's the final straw? I would probably say that there isn't a specific final straw. I think women check out emotionally far before the relationship ends. Men probably do the same thing, but I think it's... just for women it's like for me i'm just like that i'm holding on i'm trying so hard and then

eventually you're just like damn like i can't keep doing this i got one question because we talked about this uh did you did y'all live together um for a period of time but not like actually you know what i mean it was like you know she'd say over for like months at a time or then you know during a pandemic time what do you think about if you're like say during the pandemic if you slept on the couch or she slept yeah we talked about this is that a What do you mean? Like, if you just was like, all, y'all usually sleep in the bed together, oh, oh, oh. But you just slept on the couch.

Is that a thing? Yeah, that's weird. You think that's weird? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's weird. We just have this conversation. Now, I think also, I'm huge on communication. Like, I'm an over-communicator, right? Because I want there to be clarity and, you know, I've learned my lesson from not communicating.

So if I am wanting to sleep on the couch, I will make sure the person knows, hey, this isn't because I want to be far from you. This isn't because, you know, I'll make sure that I explain it properly to where it's like, hey, I just want to have a night on the couch and watch me a little movie loud. I know you're trying to sleep. I'm just trying to, maybe my most, you know what I'm just trying to chill and relax and want to be able to be with most, you know, but I would never just do that. Now, I've been on the other end where people may just do stuff and I communicate. I'm like, what the fuck is that?

Like, why are you, you couldn't tell me? And then, oh, it's fine. I just want, okay, but as your partner, I feel like I'm old at the communication, especially if we're always, you know, sleeping together. I'm old communication. You know what? I feel like the younger generation, because how old are you, 29? Yeah, 29.

I feel like the younger generation of men, like G. Herbo, he's your same age. He came on here. You guys are more vulnerable and like communicative and like very open. I think older generations are not that way because it was more stigmatized. And also they couldn't be. They didn't have the space to be. And I want to make sure that a lot of older men understand that my dad is one of those people. This is an older man.

I know a lot of people. She be on his head. No, he's on me. I have to get him back. He costs me an older woman every time. I'll do that. Yeah. Yeah.

It's okay. It's okay. I'm letting her get her shot. He does it to me all the time. Okay. But I think that they just weren't gifted that space and a lot of people blame them and throw a lot of shade their way and it's like if you were in that place, there just wasn't room for that.

There were so many other things that we had to overcome. It's like I can't be worried about this thing. Even if my heart hurts a little bit, I don't have room. I got to carry this family. I got to carry this situation. And so, yeah, there's not a lot of space. And I think now it's been a lot more accepted and we're seeing the benefits of how sharing your feelings can, you know, improve your mental health and your peace and all these

things. So, yeah, I agree, but I think it's because of the time. Yeah, he's absolutely right. You are. You are. Because, like, me as an older man, like you said, like us growing up, we had to, like, shoulder like, being a tough guy, you can't show emotion. Yeah. You know, we looked upon as that rock for the family and it was frowned upon if you showed

a little emotion or you cried, man up, man up, man. Man up. You get punched in the chest of you a kid. Right, right. Like now it's just like more outlets for it. And it's like a, it's like a, it's like a freedom. It's like like an emotional freedom. Yeah, my dad now is crying more than he ever has.

He's like, son, what's wrong with me? I said, Dad, you've held in for 50-something years, what you expect? You know? So now everything that happens and he gets a little tear. He's like, oh no, I'd be like this. I'm like, Dad, you spent your whole life not crying. And I always think, I push him. Like, one time I said, Dad, sit in your car.

I'm going to send you a song. Lay your seat back and listen to this. And he called me back. He was like, why did you do that? I was like, because you needed to let that, whatever. I don't know what he was going with. But I was like, because I was in the car that day and I listened to it. I was crying while I was driving.

I was like, wow. And I said to my dad, I was like, in case you need this, you know, and he did it. And there's just a lot of handling in that, bro. There's a lot of handling. But I also think there's a balance where I do think some younger generation is like younger to me, they don't have enough, hey, get that, carry that. Right. Because, you know, me being in doing the things I've done for as long as I can, I could

have a trillion times given up. the trend time is not, but because I was kind of raised with a little bit of both, you know, I feel like there was a time where I was like, I don't care how you're feeling about that, you have to get this done. There's no, there's not like what, can you, it's like what you, what must you do, you know? And I had to look at my life like that. So I think it's a gentle balance. But I do think now, I think there's a lot of people who I'm just like, you're, you're crying over that, you're giving up over that or, you know. They're not resilient. Yeah. And I think there's definitely a change in the generations.

Okay, I got a question. What makes you laugh? What makes you smile? That's a loaded question only because, only because I'm so, like, I love so many things. Like, I could laugh at a baby, you know, falling down and, like, jokingly, and obviously not dying or the baby hurting themselves, but like, you know, or a baby surprise themselves or a dog doing, so I have two dogs. And I love comedy, so maybe a stand-up comedy show. What makes me cry, probably the same thing seeing a baby. Or like a dad and a son having a good talk, you know what I mean?

I probably would cry some of you like that. I'm a, I'm a cry, baby. I love it. It's, it's, yeah. Feels good. Feels good. Okay. And what was the other one?

Cry, laugh. Laugh. And one more. He said, calm, laugh, smile. Oh, smile. Oh, smile. If you're just sitting there, you're on the couch and you just start thinking of this, you're just like. Being a dad.

Yeah. Okay. And you are not a dad yet, correct? No, I'm not a dad. No, I'm not a dad. But I want, I want, I want like four kids. Four kids. Four kids.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. That's one of my main goals in life is just to be a good dad. So speaking of being a dad, you have a song on your EP called Keptit. So is that about a woman having an abortion? Yes.

Okay, so you've been through that. Yeah, I have. It wasn't easy. You know, a lot of people neglect the man's feelings when that abortion happens. I agree. Was it a mutual decision that you guys both did? Yeah, it's funny. You said that it was like the first sentence of the second version.

It was a grown-up decision that we both had to make. Yeah, you did say that. I do remember that. That's funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You did. Exactly. It was a thing that we both had to make.

And, like, looking back on it now, I think we did the right thing. That's also in the song. But it's true. It's like, but I think the whole song, it was off of my experience, but also a friend of mine who had said something like to me when we were, like, talking. And he was like, sometimes it makes you feel like you wish you were just. I was like, wait, what? I was like, yeah, right?

Because you can still see him even if it's like, they may not be with you, but they're around. And it's like, maybe that's selfish. Maybe that's whatever. but these are just the honest feelings that go through someone's head and it's like everything that someone thinks isn't what they do and isn't who they are

but I think going through that thought process is important that's why I put all of these songs on this album because they're all different ideas or thoughts I may not have acted on all these things but I had to go through all of these

to get to boom you know what I'm saying where I'm at now but if I neglected those thoughts and allow myself to feel those things I would be here but uncomfortably you feel me? Yeah I get that

yeah I feel like breakups to me are sometimes harder than death because the person is still there, you know? It's very, very hard. I hate it. I think I feel slightly differently. I don't know.

I feel like death is, it's like even worse. It's fucked up because they're gone. They're going like forever. And I'm always saying that because, you know what I mean? But I get what you mean. Maybe in relationship stance, yeah. I get both. Like, I've been through both.

And I know they're both really hard. But with breakup, it's like you know this person is still there. You're just not with them. It just hurts. It's, I hate breakups. Like, I'd rather go through anything else than that. Has your ex-texted you since this song? Has he heard us?

No, no. She hasn't? No, no, no. I'm definitely reaching out like, wow, you're writing all this shit about me. But it's not just my story, right? You know, this is for everybody. You know what I mean? This is, I know a lot of people who have been through this situation.

Yeah. And I haven't heard it come from a male's perspective. And I felt a certain way about it. I wanted to write about it, you know. But yeah, it was a difficult thing. I called my pastor, you know. I had them pray over me and her and, you know, trying to figure out what to do. And, you know, even after it was done, I remember being in the car looking out the window

and, like, trying not to break down because I didn't want this person to break down. But I'm like, damn, you know what I mean? Understanding, you know, the depth of it all. Amen. Never an easy thing to navigate, but I'm definitely glad music is there for me. Because I can always, I lean into it. Whenever I go through stuff in life, I just lean in, I lean in. Yeah.

Wouldn't you love more creating music or acting? I'd say music only because it's mine. It's so mean that it's going to be the most, it's going to be the closest thing to me if people a million years from now wanted to know who I was, you would listen to my music. Now, when I'm acting, I'm taking somebody else and trying to make them believable as me, right?

I'm taking someone else's words, I'm taking another character and I'm diving into that. And when I'm writing, it's the words are mine, the stories are mine, and even the harmony is the way I cut myself, I engineer myself. So it's like, all of it is me, even in the, you know, the quickness, how I work. Like, yeah. That probably means.

Makes sense. Because I know you have a passion for both. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. They both have saved me. Yeah. You know, I say this story every time, so I may sound like a broken record, but, like, there have been times where I go to set and maybe, like, you know, let's say I didn't read the script the day before or whatever and I show up, but the day before I went through a breakup and I get to set in the scenes about me breaking up somebody, you know? Like, and I had said the words that I'm saying in the script, the day. before not knowing I had this to do.

So like they both have just showed up kind of like spiritually in my life and have been like, hey, this is for you, this is to help you, this is to, you know, process. Have you ever lost yourself in a role, like, and what I mean by that, like, you just find yourself becoming that person or something? I'd say Burning Sands was probably the closest I felt to like a little bit out of myself. I just, yeah, I played a guy in a fraternity and I just really was trying to deprive myself of sleep and just go through, you know, some of those things that were happening. And I was committing to that, you know, and I just noticed it, even when I came back from

filming that, people that I knew, they were like, yo, you're a little different. You're not a little different, you know, and it's not like I've changed drastically, but, you know, going through that process, I definitely grew as an actor, as a man, but also, I did experience that, kind of like, whoa, this is a different body. Do you have to see somebody? Do you have to talk to, like, what is it us? What is it, a psychiatrist? A therapist or a psychologist?

I do go to therapy. I love therapy. I think everyone should do it. I think it's very positive. But it wasn't to that extreme, you know? I wasn't like, hey, I need help getting out of here. I'm in this room and I can't see. It wasn't that.

But guess what? I do, I don't want to wish that on myself, but I do want to get into that space of a role that I feel that way. You know, like I really want to go. I always want to push myself in whatever I'm doing. So whether that's music or acting, I'm like, what's the next thing? What's the next level? How can I go harder? How can I be better? And I think actors like Joaquin Phoenix, actors like Leonardo, like, you know, Daniel

Day Lewis, these guys switch, Sean Penn, they switch, they turn into, and I want that. I want to watch a movie and be like, that ain't Trev. Even Lady Gaga does that. I feel like it's method acting, right? Just becoming a whole different person, Denzel, like there's a lot. Denzel's great. But you got to understand some of the characters, he said, they've been in dark places. Yeah, yeah.

They went into some dark places. Like the three actors, he said, have played some dark characters. They're cold though They're cold, you know And it's like they sacrifice You know, sometimes Sometimes you do I think it's important to pray over yourself

Whatever you do You know what I mean Cover yourself But some people don't You know what I mean And go dive into a space And be like hey What's kind of running this

You know ship And you got to But you know Lady Gaga when she played In House of Gucci She said that she like Lost herself She didn't know who the fuck she was

That movie was so good Yeah And she was dark It had dark things And she said she thought She thought she was that person Like she lived that person Every day

You know That's crazy. Jim Carrey did that for that one comedian. I forget his name, forgive me, but Jim Carrey played a comedian and something. And there's a whole documentary about that on Netflix, which is pretty interesting. I love Jim Carrey in general. I think he's an intuitive dude, but the documentary was dope. So top five actors, what would you say?

We play this game all the time. I always have, look, I always have this because I have my top ten actors in here. Okay. I watch this thing every day and I'm always like, okay, top ten. We talk about this all the time. Top five. Okay, top five is hard, okay. But I'm going to try and break this down.

Okay. I'm going to try and break this down in only five. We're only giving me five of all time, favorite actors of all time. Okay. Denzel. Yes. Woo. He said woo after the first one.

Okay, Denzel. Daniel Day Lewis. Oh, wow. I was going to say that. Colin Farrell. Oh, wow. Okay. How many is that?

Three. Oh, shit. Daniel Day is good. Colin Farrell. I'm going to give Sean pin up in there. Okay, Sean. And I want to split the last one between Leonardo and Shailabuff. Wow, Shia LaBuff.

Yeah, he's up there for me. He's up there for me. He's top five. Really? Okay. I might have said six to cheat a little bit. I got six in there. Do you know who Shailabuff is?

Yes, you do. Transformers. Yeah, yes. And every, I mean, he's a piece, bro. Yeah, yeah. He's somebody, so he's one of my heroes that I got to work closely with. You know, in life when you're like, hey, man, this person, right? And I got to work with him.

The movie didn't end up coming out. We didn't have filming it, but we rehearsed for it a bit. And he was one of the most inspiring. That was one of the most inspiring encounters I've had as an actor. Because I admire him so much, but I didn't know his process and to see how extensive his process is and how seriously he takes it and gets into it. I'm like, oh, I had a whole new level of respect. But I loved him since, you know, even Stevens, holes, but then you got Lawless, his performance in Lawless, Honeyboy, like, peanut butter Falcon. This guy's, I mean, he's a monster.

And all the Transformers also. My top five is Denzel, Leonardo. Brad Pitt because I love Fight Club Classic Viola Davis and damn I can't remember my last one you go I have to think about it

I guess the consensus amongst us is Denzel Yeah yeah All right so I got Denzel I also got Johnny Depp Oh good one That's a good one I know he has one

I like a couple movies that he's... Low, he loves Low. Parsons of Caribbean, Charlie Factory Factory, Philadelphia, definitely I got Leonardo's in there, too. Yeah, Leonardo. That's another one, because this is... I have to say Eddie Murphy, man. Up there, up there.

Eddie Murphy, he was like... Like, he plays... Because he plays so many different roles, like the lover boy. He played, like, the comedian. He played the cop. I think comedians deserve a category in having an Oscar. Because I think comedy is actually, to me,

a little bit more difficult than drama acting. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Will Ferrell's, when you said top 10, he's in my top 10. Okay, Will Ferrell. And then for my fifth one, I'm going to go with Nicole Kidman. Cole. She's tough.

She's tough. You had Octavia Spencer on hers last time. He'd just be switching it? Yeah, he'd be switching. The hair one. I love her. I love Octavia. I love Octavia.

I do. Okay, yeah, those are good. I can't think of my last one at all. So, I don't know, I want to give it to, like, someone black, maybe Jamie Fox. Ray Charles was crazy. Yeah, that was, that was, I mean. Ray is one, yeah, Ray is the most talented in Hollywood. In Hollywood?

Wow, that's a strong statement. Because the singing and acting and performing on stage and hosting, he got, like, he has no weaknesses. Yeah. Like, Jamie has that no weaknesses. Yeah, he's definitely one of, you know, one of the few that can do it all. Like, he can do any role. And do it well. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? So. Okay. Okay, so back to, we have. No, no, I love that. I love that. But, no, I know that acting is not easy. Yeah, no, not at all.

And you've been acting for a long time since you were young, right? Since I was seven years old. Wow, wow. I acted, too, as a, I'm not successful in it, but I was an actress as a kid, too. I didn't keep going. I didn't keep going. I was in commercials and everything. It plays.

But I can't sing. I think being a singer and an actor is a just, you're a triple. threat, double threat, whatever you call it. So is it true that you and Zendaya were in a relationship? Uh, no. See your actors. Whoa. Yep.

No, no. Dear friends. You're your friends. Okay. Good friends never been together. Okay. So the rumors were putting them to rest. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. You're not, it doesn't seem confident, but I'm going to go with it. Really? I don't know. I'm just kidding. Okay. So I know that you talked about. Like, you know, you've been afraid of being alone.

Yeah. So what would you say the craziest thing you've done to avoid being alone? What? I think, uh, I ask somebody to be with you, right? Yeah, I think, I think someone, I think someone, I think maybe trying to stay in a situation. Maybe that might be probably, right, right, right. Like just staying in there because you're afraid to be alone. Nobody wants to redo it.

Everybody, you know, time is a, and you only learn how valuable time is the older you get, right? When you're young, you kind of don't get it. But it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I only got how much time. I'm just lost my granddaddy. I just, you know what I mean? Now I've got to start. Let's figure it out.

You know, I can't really play no more. So, yeah, I definitely think that's the craziest thing I've done is maybe just try and stay in something and knowing maybe something wasn't right for me. Or, you know, and I can even go like friends, too, hanging out with friends because you just don't want to be alone. But maybe they aren't the best influences for you. That's been a thing of mine as well. That's true. So, yeah. That's real.

I think I learned at an older age. now that I'm an older woman, that being alone, actually staying in a relationship that's not for you is making it, you're going to more say be alone than not because it's inevitable that it's going to end. So now you're just getting older. Time is getting, you know, time keeps going. You're staying in a relationship.

You're afraid to be alone. But the longer you stay, the more likely you're alone. Right, right. Then you will be alone because you ain't going to look for someone else and another relationship. That's actually for you. Right, right, right. I don't regret any of my relationships.

I regret staying longer than I should have because it would have brought me to where I'm supposed to be quicker. So how I feel about that is I don't want to regret any part because maybe in that you staying longer than you should have taught you a lesson that you wouldn't even. You know what I mean? And I don't say that. It's hard because it's like it's true.

It's like you can never, if you feel like that, you may never be able to actually have an opinion because it's all relative, but I know what you were saying. But I was just saying in general, it's like, yo, where you are is because of the things that you've been through. And if you change anything, it may be a little different. So a few questions. Yes, please.

Paul is going viral per usual, and he said that in order to know if your woman loves you or not, you should cheat on her. That's how you'll know she loves you. What are your thoughts? Yes, he said, to find out if your girl loves you or not, you should cheat on her. I would like to know what your evolved therapy response is. No, let him answer before you do your explanation. before it gets taken out of context. Yes.

I don't believe that a man should intentionally find that out. Yeah, right. Like, and I said it in the conversation talking about the men who said I found out unintentionally. Yeah. You know, like, damn, I guess she really loved me because we didn't been through some shit. I know what you're saying.

I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. He's cleaning it up. So here, no, I get it. I get it. So here's what I want to say, right, in response to that. You're taking something that matters a lot.

Take out the cheating. It's something that matters a lot to the partner, right? From you, right? She feels a certain way if the man's cheating. I think whatever the level of intensity that is, if this person can love you through that for him, like whether it's cheating, whether it's something like, let's say he said, this really bothers me,

please never do this. Let's not say it's cheating. Let's say it's, I don't know, drove the car and wrecked it, or maybe I had a DUI. And this stuff is literally I would leave you if you did this because this matters this much to me and this shows me a sign of, mistrust or whatever, and that person does that,

and he can love you through that, you know, I think it should go both ways. I think it's a hard thing, but what I'm trying to say is, you're agreeing with him pretty much. I'm not agreeing with him. I just think if you really love somebody, there's a way through. And that goes both ways.

I agree. That goes both ways. And I think that there's just a lot of TV, there's a lot of movies, there's a lot of stories we hear that kind of tell us how the path should go between men and women. And I think it should go however it works out in your own life. And you get to create your own reality with that.

You feel me? Go ahead. No, but that's pretty much it. And I'm just saying, like, because there are other things for a man that may mean that much, that may matter that much, and we're like, I love you, it's good. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying, like he's saying, don't go out and do it just so she can say that. And no one should do it, right?

Yeah, I get what you're saying. But you know what I mean? I think there's a way through. And a lot of people feel like, you do this, you don't love me. sometimes people aren't perfect or aren't fully grown when you meet them. And it could be reversed in another area of life. You know what I mean? Like maybe in this area, you aren't as, you got to mean?

I don't know. Yeah, I get what you're saying. Just trying to. So this isn't as you've been a child star in the line like your whole life. Yeah. So you're meeting people, you know, maybe not so based on like the stardom. I mean, of course, handsome guy. You can, you know, attractive.

you could get girls to come your way. So at what point did you say like she ain't she loves me for me? Like, what had to happen? You got to see because I don't, hey man. You know what I'm saying?

I'm going to say this without saying this fully because I'm trying to hear the question. I'm trying to answer this properly. How do you know? I think you know, I'm going to speak on let me try not get in trouble I'm trying to speak I want to say this

I want to say like you can think something like I can have an idea and then that could be totally flipped on its head right so I feel like I've been in situations where I'm like oh she would never

and find out when we break up oh it was that I was just another one of that you know and that's kind of the vibe what's going on you know what I'm feeling And I'm like, whoa, I'm like, whoa, I thought that, you know. And you can hear it from your brother, you can hear from your mama, you can hear from your daddy. I'm like, you guys are wrong.

You guys have no idea. Right. She loves me. She's mine, okay. And we understand each other, all this stuff. And then, you know, life goes on and you start seeing patterns of people. You're like, oh, wow. And almost I was more mad at me because I'm hard on myself in every aspect of my life.

You know, as martial arts is acting and singing, I'm trying to be great. And I'm like, how could you let this, you know, and I was pissing myself for all. I'm like, Trevor, it's okay, you know, you're not a mind reader. You're not, you're not a, but that was a hard pill to swallow because I felt like I had a good gauge on that, you know. I felt like I could tell the difference. And for me, a lot of time when I first started, you know, if I was dating, if I was singing or whatever, I'm not a gift giver. That's the first thing I did to ensure that you were here because you want to be around. Okay.

And also, I don't want nothing for you. Hey, we're going to do stuff together and fill. I feel like if we spend time together do, we like that. But this gift-giving stuff, I've never been this guy, I've been asked. You're not going to give me back. Absolutely not. Sorry, that's not how I get down. And they'd be like, whoa.

I'm like, it's not like that. It's what is month one? We ain't building it on that. You know what I'm saying? We can't build it on that because guess what? If that stuff stops coming, then you leave. You know? That's a bar.

If that stuff stop coming, you leave. And I've seen it happen. I've seen it happen. People will suck people dry. And then the minute that they're at their lowest, or the minute that they show So a human side because they're supposed to be super humans, you can understand this, you know I mean, I got to be, carry everything, you know, because of the position that we've been put in in life, it's difficult.

Yeah. It's very difficult. It's a lot to carry. There's only one way to find out if a woman or a man truly loves you. You have to go through something. Yeah. Honestly. And it doesn't have to be like the cheating things or whatever, but like I don't know if it's like

you dealing with a disease like cancer. Yeah, yeah. You lose a leg or you're in a hospital. I don't, I'm not even saying it has to even be that deep. But there has to be like a bump in the road to where you kind of like took a step back to it like, damn. Yeah. Yeah.

You know. I also say it's an I thing too for me. I've noticed, you know, in life the way people look at me, you know, especially people that are close to me and I've noticed a difference, right? Like maybe I thought something was like, hey, I love you, but really was like, I want to be you, right? I've seen that before and I'm like thinking, oh, like, the person loves me, but it's It's like, no, they either want to be you or want what you got.

You know what I mean? I've kind of maybe felt that. And then when someone does love you, you can see that. I've seen, like, the way someone that looks at me, I can be like, oh, you know, I don't know how to explain that. I know exactly what you mean. And I'm telling you, I've only gotten that, like, within the last few years, I'm like, oh, the way she's looking at me, I ain't never been looking at. Like, oh, you want to help you. You know what I mean?

It's just constantly I care about this creature, this thing. I want to be, you know what I mean? And I can see that without her happen to say it, which is pretty. Do you think that, like, for instance, like someone having, like a being in your position specifically, too? I feel like love can also be determined by the type of woman that you're with and, like, does she want to help you be better? Does she have your best interest in mind? Yeah. Is she trying to make you grow?

And is she trying to do it even if it's not beneficial to her? You know what I'm saying? Like, there's ways in which even with me and my relationships where I can be like, look, I think you should do this. Even if I know, like, that doesn't really make me feel comfortable. But I know that it will be better for you. That's called maturity and that's called strength. A lot of people don't have that. Yeah.

That's beautiful. That you think like that is actually beautiful. A lot of people are so in their own life, which we all should, right? We should care about what we're doing. But I'm very big picture oriented and it's kind of like effed me over in relationships because I'm like, how are we tripping and talking about this? Like we're on a plan in the, like I just think big picture. We're on a plan in the middle of space.

There's things that I'm trying to do within the world, trying to shift. I'm trying to put love and life into it. And, you know, so how are we arguing about, like, the way that the thing is, you know what I'm saying? Like, stuff like that. But sometimes I can come off maybe in considering or insensitive in that. But it's just because I'm thinking, you know, big picture, large skill. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense.

Well, listen, no, no, I just want to go back before we move forward again. No, before we move forward again, just, though, you got an album coming out. Oh, thanks, man. Appreciate it. I love you, goodbye. That's the last thing she said to me on the phone. That's why the album's called that. I love you.

That was a last thing on the phone. I'll give you a little story, so that's why I kind of wore this shirt. Manist still is one of the focus tracks on the album. But I wrote it because when I go through any type of emotional or depressing time in life, I'm watching superhero movies. I'm a nerd. We were just talking about video games. You know how I get down.

I'm a predator. I'm Superman, all this stuff. Right? So I'll watch Batman versus Superman, and she called me for us to have like this last kind of conversation. And basically on the phone, I was like, look, just like, you know, I don't want this, but if there's something you want, I understand. And she kind of went through a whole spill and kind of what I took from it was, hey, you can't love me and be this guy that you feel like you have to be for the world. You can't do both, right? And I don't want to stop you from doing it, so I think it's just best.

And I was like, all right, if that's you want, then she's like, I love you, goodbye. Boom, right? Go back to watching the movie, the very next scene, Superman walks in the bathroom, Lois Lane is in the bathtub. Superman is like, what's wrong? And Lois Lane's like, she's like, it's impossible. And he's like, for what? She's like, for you to love me and still be you. I said, oh, ran downstairs, told my mom.

I was like, look, man, you need to know that this shit, this just happened. You need to make sure that you know this. I didn't just make this shit up. This really just happened to me. And she was like, what? And I went downstairs and made a song. Called Man to Still. But basically, it's just representing that.

It's like, I'm supposed to be a man and still. So it's hard to say how I feel. I don't want to cry because it makes it real. The world, all they see is a man is still. The one that they can't kill. but they don't know that I die to be your man still. You know what I mean? So it's like that's the song, but that's how it came along

and all of the records kind of have that kind of weight to him, you know? All right, I just figured out another thing to really find out if a girl or a guy loves you. What is it? All right, here's another thing. And it's not you have to cheat. You have to be willing to give up something that you... that you probably really enjoyed or loved compromise for that person.

Yeah. Agreed. Well, isn't most people doing that? No. No, people don't do that. Well, committing to a relationship, men like to have sex with women all the time. No, don't say this. Say like she likes to go to the club all the time or she was a dancer.

She won't give that. What about even time when she wakes up? She used to, but because, you know, we wake up, maybe I don't sleep in as much because I want to wake up. and blah, blah, blah, vice versa. I think, yeah, a change in habit or something like that. I agree. That's another thing to show, like, if she's willing or he's willing to, like, change that. Yeah.

And you know it's kind of like a either bad habit or a habit that you, like, you've been doing your whole life and willing to change that for you? There's another strength that it takes for that. It's a lot of strength. It's a lot of strength and it's a lot of, like you're saying, love, right? I'm altering this thing, maybe this habit, this part of my life for you. And I feel like sometimes, maybe I'm speaking because I'm biased on my man, I feel like for a man it is like overlooked sometimes. Like a man who smoked weed every day and he want to be with this girl, he quit smoking

weed. For her, that's love. Yeah. For sure. I know what you mean. That's true. No, for real. Just something that's a habit and you quit it for that person, that proves.

Yeah. Okay. Just to be a devil's advocate because now we're just talking. Yeah. Could that be something to gain something else? If someone is in a race to gain something, and the thing they're trying to gain is more important than this thing they'd have to give up. They'd easily give that up, right? So let's say, let's say smoking weed may be her thing, right?

But she'll easily stop that because she want to live where she's living at. She want to sit where she's sitting at. And it doesn't even have to be that she loves you. She might love that life more. That's very true. I get what you're saying. Just throwing a wrench in the. Like, no, it's true, but like habits is hard to break.

Because then now, if they, okay, so say they give it up in front of you. They'll sneak and do it, and then if you catch them doing it, that's cheap. Right. I agree. I do agree. You know what I'm saying? I do agree with that. Honestly, I do agree with that.

What have you given up in a relationship? Oh, man. So much. And do you feel the difference between compromise? Do you feel like there's a difference between compromising sacrifice? I think men always have to do a little bit more, honestly. That's my honest opinion. Men always have to do a little bit more compromising a little bit more.

And it's not by a lot. It's not like, oh, my God. But it's a little bit more. We got to swallow the pill a little bit more than you guys, I believe. Why do you explain? Expand. I mean, he's just true. It's just a little bit more.

Okay. I want to hear why. Okay. Because we got more ego to like to do that stuff. That, you know, being the strength. Yes, I agree. 100%. I think the strength is in that.

I feel like, you know, I've been able to be very apologizing. and accountable. And I feel like a lot of times, the majority of the times, my partner has not been. You know, even over something small, right? Like I've done something small and I've been like, look, I want to apologize to you because I kind of had a bad day and I'm, I can do that, right? It's easy for me because I want you to know that you're not the issue. I'm going through something and I allowed that to hang on to you and I apologize.

I've been in situations where that can linger for days, four or five days. And now I'm, sorry, effing, feeling weird because you're having an issue, but you don't know how to communicate that issue to me. And so I got to swallow more prior than you. I got to, and it's because you don't want to, maybe, or I don't know. I'm speaking about a multitude of situations, but the consensus I've gotten is I've always had to just kind of, sorry. All right, yeah, let's go. Because I'm driving the shit.

We got to go where I have to go because I'm making the money, right? We have to go to this thing. We have to go to this event. I can't go to this event and you have a problem. So I need to clear the problem and make sure that we're straight before we go in here because I can't have any issues in here. Right. I don't think that, you know, on the other foot, it's the same. I haven't seen it.

I haven't seen it. Do you think that women have a tough time being accountable and apologizing, period? Yes. I think everyone does. I think I'm going to say, for me, I think I'm actually a lot better than, you know, some people that I know in terms of just apologizing and owning stuff up and, you know, just trying to get through it because I've been through so much. And I actually have seen the benefits of it.

and I feel like a lot of people who don't do it so they don't see the benefits of it but once you do you're like oh if I just do this we're good but if I sit up here and I can't speak what's on my mind

and I'm mad for the next week I'm ruining my quality of life I'm wasting my time also I'm wasting my time because I love you, you love me we want the same stuff why will we spend these four days four hours being mad

and I'm not saying every issue can be fixed like that oh you just want me to blah blah it's like no but if I'm hearing what you're saying I'm understanding it I'm on your side. I'm not against you. I want to hear what you have to say.

I want you to say what you have to say. Now, what are we going to do? Right? What are we going to do now? Like, let's not. So that's a big thing for me when it comes to partners. I can't do the child just to, you know, that's very hard for me. It's very hard for me to, like, deal because I'm like, I already got enough on my plate.

My brain's going to explode the amount of stuff that are, that's in it all the time. So it's like, I need you to, and I've, you know, it's not like a, it's not a horrible thing that I have to do with. It's an annoyance. It can be sometimes annoying, but it's, you know, you take the crickets with the straits in life. Again, that goes back to the stuff I don't like, but I've yet to be in a situation where it doesn't exist, which I'm fine with. But it is something that can be agitating sometimes.

So you mentioned that you have to go to sleep with the TV on because your mind is always loud. She's, what the heck? What's these questions? Great. Very true. That's a very true statement. You got to reject a fucking TV. So would you compromise that in a relationship?

If you were with a girl, that's something you can't compromise. Nah, no, no. I'm not sleeping on dark. So the girl, that's a compromise the girl's making. She's like, I'm going to sleep with this man, even though I hate the TV being on. I hate the TV being on. It kills me. Most partners that I've had hate it.

Yeah. But I'm like, listen, I'm not going to be able to sleep. Like, because I say that regardless of what you think. I'm like, the darkness is louder to me than the darkness is louder to me than the TV. Right. Like, and my TV's blasting. I got the JBL.

I got the projector. That mug is blaring in my face. And that's the only way I can go to sleep, but if it's quiet, I'm like, and it's not like I think something's getting me, but the things I'm thinking about is so, I'm like, then I'm like, right? But if I, if my brain can catch onto the movie, I slowly slip off and I'm into sleep. Damn. That's crazy.

That's the only way. I'm so like that. And I also, I'm also studying. Whenever I'm watching movies or TV, I'm studying every. I'm studying every second. And it's hard for people that I'm with to be like, you know, you just watched this movie yesterday. I was like, I know.

I'm watching it again two times today because I want to see what I missed. I want to see why that role was saying. You know what I mean? That's how I be. And that is a sacrifice. Yeah. So look, I would be watching the movie and say like if I'm with a partner and I turn over and they see me turn over and I'm watching the movie

and they like turn the TV out. I'm like, I'm listening to it. Yeah, for real, I'll wake up if something changes. Even if, you know, sometimes the battery or whatever, they'll just go to the save screen. I'll wake up to me. You're not watching it, but I'm listening to it. But you know what's funny, my mom told me that my dad used to have VHSs

and he would always watch, you know, the same movies, and she said he would wake up out of his sleep if it popped out to pop it back in, hit play and go back and go back to sleep. That is a man thing I feel because I need pitch black and silence. That's scary to me. Yeah. So if I'm like, that's a compromise. You don't hear nothing?

No, I hear this peacefulness of just my life. Oh my gosh, I'll be hearing. I don't know, I'll be here. I can't, I have to be like in the dark. So that would be definitely. So do you feel like, because I always feel like there's a difference between compromise and sacrifice. Like compromises, I'll sleep with you in the bed with the TV on, even though I hate that. Yeah.

Sacrifice is changing the core of who I really am. I don't believe that you should sacrifice in a relationship because that leads to resentment. Can you sacrifice a part of you that isn't. good for you, but maybe that is a part of it, right? Because that's where I've experienced, right? It's like, yeah, this is my normal. This is a part of who I think I am, but it also doesn't produce the best side of me, right?

And this person may be, you know, and I do feel like it's a sacrifice. I do feel like I'm cutting something or something that is very whatever to me, but it's like this thing is morphing me into something that's so much more than that, right? But I guess that is, I guess, a compromise then if it doesn't feel too much like that.

But I do feel like there was something I sacrificed, and the more I sacrificed it, I realized it wasn't really a sacrifice. In comparison to what I was gaining in the relationship, in comparison to who I was becoming, how the person was pulling this person out of me, didn't feel like a sacrifice anymore. But it took me some time to do it for a while. I'm like, well, look how I've been living. Look how I'm walking around. Look at my shoulders. I feel like I'm getting bigger in the gym.

Like, you know, but because I made certain sacrifices for this person. And again, I want to go back to the love, I think the right person, even if they know, they'll tell you like, hey, that's not, you know, that's not you. They won't let you live any lower than yourself. Ooh, they won't let you live any lower than yourself. Yeah, they won't let you. Now, I've been in a relationship where I thought the person loved me and would influence the lowest version of me, you know. I've had that.

I've had that. And that's because now I'm tangible. Who I'm supposed to be, who God brought me here to be, sometimes it can't be tangible, right? And when people see that, it's like, how do I make it, how do I make them more, you know, come back down here? You know, and that's how it felt. And that's with friends, too.

Got a bunch of friends, you know, that I felt that energy from. It's like, yo, let's make him human again. Because right now, you know, he's too, ah, shit's popping off. Shit's feeling good. Hey, man, come on. Dem your light. That's what I've been in a lot of my relationships. Dem your life.

You can be in relationship with people who are in competition with you. Yeah, that's horrible. Yeah. Why are we here? Like, seriously. That makes me bad. Or they want to, like you said, they want to keep you here because when you're here, you don't understand your power and who you are.

And if you understood your power and who you are, you wouldn't be with them. And they know that. They don't want that. So you have to stay down here. Well said. I'm going to influence all the worst parts of you so you don't know who you're fucking you are. Well said. Period.

You know, and then when I do that, I'm going to continue coming back to you because you're feeding that. Oh, man. I've seen friends do that. Even just not to me, like I know someone and her best friend was on that. Like just in the minute that she started, it's like, who are, Like what? And was getting madder for being a better version of herself? Yeah.

Yeah. They always want to take. I've been in a relationship where someone literally told me I have to bring you back to reality because people pump you up too much and they make you feel good. That's horrible and that should be your number one support system. Yeah. That should be your number one. That should be your source.

You should be telling him to chill out, baby. He should be out in public. You should be like, babe, don't say that. He's like, oh, my girlfriend's a bit. You know what I mean? That's how it should be. Yeah. She's incredible.

Yeah. You're incredible. All of my past relationships have been exactly that. been exactly that, like dimming, never felt good, never. And that's also just because they don't feel, like you said, worthy to be next to you or, you know what I mean? It's like, and unfortunately I think it is hard for a woman in that, in that space. Yeah, no, it is.

You know, because especially when you're successful woman, you're a beautiful woman, you got a man, might feel a little intimidated. That's the only way you feel like he has that, you know, the man coat. I can see how guys been intimidated by, you know. Yeah. But I think, too, it's been also my fault because I've attracted, I've. I was at a certain frequency where I wasn't feeling myself

you know, so I attracted at a certain level so I always put it back on me like what I was attracting was how I felt internally about who I was in the person. You know what you're saying. That's good. That's good. That's good. Not no more. Oh, no, strong voice. You see I see I'm very opinionated,

just strong, just very just... You see how I'm trying to come at me. I was strong. I'm not no buffed-ass-strong man. Like, don't piss me off of this. He's just trying to say I used I gained a lot of weight. Oh, I didn't even say that. I know what I was talking about. He doesn't probably know, but I was 280.

Every episode he asked the reference when I was 280. No, I didn't. I even say it. You were being strong voice. No strong. No, he was talking about your voice. No, I watched him. He's talking about your energy.

Energy was big and strong. You said, I used to be. So I'm not. No, you just said. Used to be. That was just a slip of the tongue. You know, we make mistakes. Yeah, okay.

Well, you've, because, like, you used to come off like a little more masculine. Now you're showing your femininity side of yourself, you know, which is great. You got a good balance of it, but you could be a strong, intimidating voice. Like, and that's real. It's a compliment, I think. Yeah. I don't think it is, but I'm like, I'm going to continue. I'm going to continue to go.

Like, like, powerful voice. Like, think about, like, certain, like, Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama has a strong voice. Viola Davis, your favorite actress. It's very strong. Yeah, strong. When you're like, you're like, damn. You know what I'm saying?

Well, I will say this, and I'm just going to make it very quick. I think that women in a career space have to tap into a lot of their masculine side to be noticed. Agreed? Agreed. To succeed. Like, I've been very successful in the podcast space, and it's because of my voice. It's because I demand people's attention when I talk. And I feel like in my real life, I'm very feminine.

In my relationships, I'm very feminine. Can I just say you're very feminine? You're not feminine. Let's just make sure we say that. Because it sounds like you say, yes. Because everyone always comes for me for that. No one watches this and says she's not feminine. No, we, we feel like...

No, they do. They come from me. Well, don't listen to those people. Yeah, don't listen to those people, then. Well, you're the one saying it all the things. I don't say it. He didn't say, he just said strong. Strong voice.

Strong voice. This is blowing me. Stop doing this, though. This is blowing me. This right here is like, what? It's like, what in the, what? You got to do it now. Well, this is the strong.

Yeah. Like, this is blowing me. Stop this. Like, I'm not giving bodybuilder. What's up, nigger? Like, he doesn't give that. Stop doing that. You're blowing me.

You're blowing me. Very strong. My bad, my bad. That is hilarious. My bad, my bad. She said, I'm cool with it, but it's this that didn't know how much. And the masculine title, because I just feel like women, we get that when we're successful, strong.

We have to do this. I'm saying sassy and feminine now when they say how they feel. I can't stand this. That's true too. This sassy dude stuff is ridiculous for it. I've seen videos and I got just like, hey, I don't rather you not. Oh, you're sassy. Yeah.

I was out one time and somebody and I was like, hey, excuse me, like it was a fan approach and I was just like, maybe like in the way you just, you know, you kind of just came. Oh, you're sassy. I was like, I'm just trying to share with you how I feel. That's cool. You know what I'm saying. But it's like that's what I got when I had an issue with something. I'm like, I don't like that.

I don't like that either. And they say that about man a lot. Like, even with men smoking hookah, like, any man smoking hookah is sassy. Any man drinking a lemon drop is sassy. Like, he can't have, like, a little lemon in the drink. Like, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? What, something tastes good?

Yeah, that's what I say? Why girls get all the good flavor drinks? And if I drink. Yeah, like, the men can't have nothing. It's like travel cool oceans. Yeah, they, everything is sassy apocalypse now. Like, man, I hate it. I hate it.

I don't go for that. All right. I want to get back to the music. Let's do it. You got music drop. in another week. Yeah. I love you, goodbye.

The greatest breakup of all time. That's the full title. I love you goodbye, the greatest breakup album of all time. And I also wanted to tell you, too, just kind of like, I don't know if you guys saw the suit I was wearing and all this stuff. I did. So I said when you get broken up with,

it feels like you show up to the altar by yourself. So I wanted like an 1800s groomsman because a lot of, you know, amazing poets in those olden times. I'm really inspired by those people. And you'll never see a video of those people, but you'll hear their poems forever, right? It lasts. And I feel like that's how I felt about this project.

And I, yeah, I had that. design. So ApuJ is my stylist and then Lionel is an incredible designer. He's done stuff for Siza and a bunch of other people. He helped design the suit. And yeah, that was like my main thing for this. Everybody was like, Trevor just keeps asking my suit. I said, I need the suit made. We had it made. I was like, this is all wrong. Start over. Then I finally got it the way I wanted it. But it's a huge part of that. And I also feel like, you know, someone that looked like me back in that time couldn't afford garments like that. So I'm like kind of flexing for them too. And that's kind of the birthplace of the whole visual and, you know,

and it's like, you know, funeral. Staying on the music side, I want to talk about today's music. Yeah. Like, what do you think? And how do you think that today's music is affecting our love and our relationships? Like, is there a good topic? This is so great. I would say this.

I'll say a lot of people's issues with music, those same people are the reasons the issues exist. Right? So it's like I'll see a lot of women maybe have an opinion about, you know, how a woman is being treated or whatever, but they're the same ones, you know, singing the songs that are, you know? Exactly. And it's just hard to gauge, right? And for men too.

Yeah. Man will be singing songs like this and you're like, how do you expect someone to tell you seriously? You just said you have five, baby, and you're trying to do this and you're trying to do that. You know, so I do think it's hard. And I will say the one genre of music where they talk about family, wife, and husband is country music. And I do think this is all agenda-based. I think this is all, if they're black, let's make sure that we keep the shit going, right?

We want to keep only one mom in the household. We want the dad to be, you know, and that is perpetuated by the music. That's perpetuated by certain movies. And white people, a lot of white people listen to country music and pop music. And it's very family-oriented, very husband, wife, can't wait to get home to my kids type of records. So I think that's something that's missing and something that I'm trying to create. I think this is just the beginning of like, you know, my story that I have to tell. I have a lot more albums that I'm sitting on and I'm going to release.

But I want to get to that point, right, to where the biggest artists can all. also be the healthiest lifestyles. A lot of people want to be, quote unquote, successful, which is money, cars, big house, career, but no one's happy, right? So I think there should be, that has to be in there. And I would like to bring that, you know, to the forefront. I'd like to do more of that. And that only comes with honesty.

And that's what I think this album is, is just me being completely honest about where I was at and, you know, what I was going through. But I do believe that. I do believe that. I know you said boys to men is one of your faiths, right? And they complimented you. Yeah. That was a deep, deep moment for me.

I could imagine. I was going through a lot already that day, just mentally. And then, you know, I walked in there and I seen, one, I've seen them. And I'm like, first of all, I'm the type of person, like, although I've been in this for a long time, I'm a fan first. Like, even me sitting across from Paul Pierce's, I'm like, now, you know, we met a few times, but still I'm kind of like, like, like, oh shit, you know what I mean? Yeah. This is happening.

So that'll never go away from me. I'm always a fan and then turned artists. So when I saw them, I was like getting teary. I was like, almost crying. And they were like, everybody thinks I'm playing. I'm sure when I met you and I'm like, Paul, you're probably like, this dude's a lot. But it's because I really feel this way. I'm like, I can't believe this is happening, right?

Yeah. So I told him that and I was like, guys, like this is my dream come true. I mean, you're listening. You're the reason I know how to sing. Like I listen to your record. You're making us proud. We see everything you've been doing, man. Keep going.

you're doing it's justice, right? And to hear that from them to, you know, I heard, co-sign was doing a podcast and he had said, I feel like Trevor Jackson suffers from being too good, right? Quote on quote. And I feel like I have been overlooked as an artist because maybe I look good or because maybe I'm a successful actor. So it's hard for people to give me my flowers when it comes to music.

But I do this shit. Like, I'm writing the shit. I'm recording myself and I do it at a very high level. And to hear them say it. I didn't need nobody else to say it. Right. Boys to men. Valigated.

What? Right. I was like, oh, okay, I'm straight. You know what I'm saying? Genuine was putting fire signs on your song. Genuine? That's another thing. That's amazing.

That's amazing. Yeah, these people. Yeah, that's huge. It's an honor. It's an honor, man. Yeah, go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just saying, like, I still trip out to be in spaces with these people because I'm a student.

When I want to do something, just like I'm sure how he's studying game film or anything like that. I am studying these music videos. I'm studying the voice. I'm rewinding. and I'm pressed playing for hours at 11 years old. You know what I mean? At 8 years old, I was just always trying to, and then I'm meeting these people.

Like I ran into Elmary on the other day, and I'm like, bro, you don't understand. When I first moved to L.A., I was 11 years old. I walked by you in the Beverly Hills Mall. I screened my ass off. I ran down to the food court. I begged them for a pen and paper. I said, Omarians over here, ran back,

and you sign my shit, and I got in my house right now. It's in my house right now. That's dope. But it's like I'm not, and I feel like a lot of people lose that. Yeah. You get into it and you start becoming numb to the shit,

And it's like, yo, we are superheroes in a way, and we have to remember that and carry that, you know? When people walk up, I remember being a fan. That's why I'm always like, hey, how are you doing? What's up? Hey, I'm nice to meet you. I'm never, you know what I mean? I'm always just because that could create the next Michael. That could create the next, you know, Kobe.

That could create the next Paul. That could create the next. You know what I mean? 100%. Just by being like, hey, man, keep going. All of that. This right here. And that could take someone will imagine that when they go to sleep.

And the hardest day of their life, they would be like, he said keep going. That Boyston Man, I'm going to remember that. I'm going to go through more shit in life. That's life. I'm going to go through our shit. And I'm my question who I am, Trevor. And I'll remember that moment of Boyston Men told you that, bro. So, you know what I mean?

That's dope. That's dope. That's real. That's real. And I love that. Because I have that moment, you know, where like, I'm out and someone like Kevin Hart is like, you're dope. Keep going.

You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm like? You know what I'm like? Just little stuff. We overlook that. You do think about things like that. It's incredible. You have to stay humble and remain humble.

no matter who you meet or who you're around. So one last question. What do you feel like, because I know you spoke about country, but I do also feel like, and Paul talks about that, that R&B from back in the day, boys to men,

jagged edge, you know. Jonasi. Yeah. All of these people, they were singing about loving a woman, wanting a woman, needing a woman like, where do you feel like that transition?

What happened? And then I noticed more women like Cardi B, I is you know city girls and broke boys don't deserve no nothing like this whole that's not a production of happiness let's just be real even you're saying those sentences out loud

it's like you can't possibly believe that that will bring you happiness you know what I'm saying where did love going music yeah and I'm here I'm here to bring it back okay okay even in the breakup albums you hear the love right it's not hey F you bitch I'm sick

I'm dead that's how I felt and also after the breakup I tore my Achilles I was down Then I had stuff. Two weeks after she broke up with me, I tore my Achilles. Then I had stomach issues while my kids, I was in the hospital, then I had back issues. I was going through everything in my life, right? Me and God was talking, right?

God, what's happening? Why is this? And I have to go film Gronish in a week, and I have to go be on tour. So I went on tour with the dang boot. I was shooting Gronish with the boot on, going back. What side, left or right? Right side. Okay, because you know that correlates, you know, if you see an energy person, like

If you have injuries to one side of your body, that has something to do with, like, kind of relationships. I had to go through. For real? You should see an energy person. I didn't know that. That has something good with relationships. Because it was literally two weeks after. Yeah.

You might have, like, just one side of your body going through stuff. Yeah. It was a day after Christmas. I tore my Achilles. Day after Christmas. I only get to see my family once a year. I was there. It's a thing.

Yeah. Tour it. But wrote this whole album in the cast. I had to keep raising my foot up because all the blow was rushing. So I'd have the weight between verses, right and down, put my foot back up. You know, but the result is this project and I think you can really hear it. I hope you guys get a chance to top to bottom. And then the album release will be next week.

Hopefully you guys can come. Yeah, of course. We would love to come. But just to hear it in its order because I, the reason why I did this breakup, broke up the project like that is because I did on my last one and it helps, you know, fans want more stuff. But I make albums and I make them to go in order. I'll sit there for days at a time, be like, no, this one, no, no, I'll trade that back on, you know, so it can go through all of the stuff the way it's supposed to be done.

I love how you did. I love you EP. and then goodbye, EAPE. That's really dope, actually. Yeah, it's good. It's really good. It's vulnerable. It's open.

And I feel like we need so much more of that. Yeah. We need more love back. Yeah, we need it back. Yeah, I'm old school. I got you. I got you. Come on, man.

Yeah, we appreciate that. So before you leave, I'm going to have you answer one of these questions with one word only. Let's go. Okay, one word. Why do men cheat? One word. Freedom. Okay.

I would say ego. What did I say? You said ego too. Is that what you would say? I forgot. We did this before. I forgot what I said. What about one word why women cheat?

Revenge. Ooh, that's a good one. I could see that. One word, what scares you most in love? Leading. Mm, that's good. One word, what makes you lose feelings? Hmm.

For me, disrespect. Yeah. I was going to say, this isn't one word, but it's like lack of consideration. Yeah, so kind of the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can get that. Yeah. Now, if you had to give one word to describe, I love you goodbye,

album, what would it be? Um... You just say your ex's name if you want. You'll for sure get that text did. Rebirth. Ooh, I like that. If God could send you a text message right

now, what would it say? Stay the course. Stay the course. Man. Stay the course. I love that. I also don't want to know too much, right? And I found this out throughout my life. And I saw this sad one time, and it stuck with me for a minute.

It was like, if God told you everything you had to go through to get to what you want in life, you'd probably change what you want. Ooh. I've heard that. That's good. I heard that. And I said, oh, my. That's good. And this was, I heard this after the tearing and stuff.

So I'm like, if God, when I was young, was like, you're going to break your leg. You're going to go through one of the worst heartbreaks. Maybe go through three heartbreaks. Who knows? Right? Then this is going to happen. This person is going to lie. Your best.

friend's going to do this and then you're, you know, then you're going to lose this person. Then your grandma's going to, you might be like, hey, dude, I'll just go to 7-11. I can be the dude at the front. Like, you know what I can be the traffic guy. Like, I don't care. Like, you know, you might change your dream, but God knows. And he does it in his own time and I'm super thankful for it. So I just say stay the course because I don't regret anything I've done.

Sure, I maybe wish I whatever, but I'm thankful for where I'm at. I'm thankful for who I am. And I know I got a lot more to go, but the only way to lose is to stop or to give up. And I'm not that type of. I'm not cut like that. That's real. You must be a burgo, huh? Album coming out on week, you guys.

F, did you know that? I'm good at this. We did this with Kevin Gates. Oh, the F, did she know that? And she waited until the answer she could get all the information and use it and dissecting and tell me what it was. You can ask my friends.

I guess everyone after that. Okay, I need you to guess my brothers when we're done here. Okay, we will. Okay, well, thank you, Trevor. You guys are awesome, man. You were great. We're so grateful to have you.

We're so grateful to have you. Amazing. I hope my handshake wasn't too masculine. It was a little too strong for me. It was strong. Strong! No. No.

Uh, you guys, Trevor has the best breakup album ever coming out. I love you, goodbye. If you're going through a breakup, if you're feeling down about yourself, or if you're even feeling good about yourself, you want to get back to the love and music, make sure you guys check out. Thank you. Because I love you, E.P. Goodbye, EP.

And in about a week, he will be dropping. November 21st. November 21st. Make sure you guys tune in. It looks fire. we'll put all the information below so you guys can click everything follow Trevor and all that

thank you I appreciate you of course thank you Trevor so much let's go God it's Paul Pierce sorry I'm still freaking out okay I can do it now the interview is over

it's Paul Pierce okay I'm only picking him okay that's all that thanks for joining us and choose to have the dark yes appreciate you so much peace peace

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