Club Shay Shay - Unc & Ocho's Most Fiery Debates Part 1: Man Fakes Death to Leave Family + Pats already DONE with Stefon Diggs?!

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson debate if Stefon Diggs is rejecting the “Patriot Way,” and break down Brandon Ingram turning down $160M to join the Raptors. 0:00 - Man fakes death to abandon family 23:28 - Stefon Diggs to be released? 35:11- Brandon Ingram declined $160M to accept Raptors deal   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey guys, it's your favorite on here. Go ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't miss a single episode of Nightcap. button right here come for the sports stay for the stories a Wisconsin man apparently took out a $375,000 life insurance policy. Yeah, take his own drowning so he could abandon his family and flee to Europe Ocho, yeah you fake your own death? Absolutely not. I mean he faked his death, tried to get away from his wife, get away from his kids. For one, I'm not faking my death because I love my kids. I want to be here, you know, have too much

fun with them. But he must've been miserable. He must've been really miserable. You know how bad it has to be as a family man with kids and a wife to fake your death and want to leave and use insurance money? Like, logically think about that. It has to be really bad. I'm trying to figure out how long he thought,

Ocho, how long he thought 375,000, were you gonna get another job or something? Well, it depends on his lifestyle. It depends on how he lived. You know, 375 could be a fortune to some people, uncle, especially if you live way below your means or you're not a spender like that. Well, you gotta pay rent.

Do they have a place already paid for? Is he gonna get a car? You got to understand, everybody, everybody, everybody don't move like that. You feel me? Some people could swear. So how are you going to get around? You just going to walk?

I mean, you going to the UK. He in Europe, huh? He was moving somewhere in Europe. Like, you get your little moped, you good. OK, but what you gonna eat? Where you gonna live? Some of the people don't even make 375,000 in their lifetime.

I'm sure he was gonna be straight now. Come on now. Yeah, somebody that works a minimum wage job. Yeah, if you work at a fast food chain, probably, maybe not, but I'm just saying. I don't know how old, I don't know how old, how old was he, Ash? He looked like he about- Oh Joe, let's just say for the sake of argument. But I'm just saying, I don't know how old he is.

He look like he about- Ocho, let's just say for the sake of argument, he spends 20,000 a year. He is in his mid 40s. He's been 20,000 a year. Yeah. In 20 years, that's gone. That's if he just spend 20,000. Yeah.

Can you live off 20,000 a year? Who? Ocho Cinco. Shit yeah, yeah, yeah. I make that big stretch. I can make it. Listen, I can stretch a hundred dollars for a month. You cannot.

You wanna bet? You cannot. Did you hear what I just said? You cannot live off 20,000 a year, Ocho. Stop it. I can stretch a hundred dollars for a month. How you gonna tell me? So what you living?

So how much is that apartment you got right now? Oh, this ain't, this ain't my place. The apartment that you've been flashing all the apartments you looking at, how much they gonna cost? Oh, that I can't just exclude how much that is. But exactly. Hey, hold on.

I'm just going to say for the sake, let's just say, let's just say, I'm going to say, Oh Joe, it's going to, I'm concerned, Miami concerned. I'm going to say it's going to cost you 3000 a month. That's 36,000 right there. I like that. Without lights, without anything. You got a cell phone?

That's got no, huh? You got a cell phone? Yeah, my cell phone free. I'm with AT&T. Okay. Hey, wait, you have to say, you thinking, you thinking from your perspective too, you know? No, I'm thinking from a logical perspective. Middle-aged white man, you know, married three kids,

you know he ain't living like that, man. He ain't living like that. Ocho, 375,000 is not a lot of money for a lifetime, bro. You comparing these regular folks to you. People don't even make 375 in they lifetime, bro. You comparing these regular folks to you. People don't even make 375 and they like time. How you gonna tell them that? The average person makes 50,000 a year. What are you talking about?

What? Well, you out of touch with reality. It was the average salary. What's the average salary for an American? In this goddamn economy? the economy doesn't matter. You have more, but people are still making 48,000 a year. Oh, they are not. No, they are not.

Watch, tell Ash, look it up real quick. What people are here struggling, boy. 50,000 a year will hold on. Hold on. What is it? Man, you tripping. According to the US Department of Labor, the average, hold on. Now you don't wanna listen.

Okay, go ahead. I'm gonna let you finish. I'm gonna let you finish and I want you to read the chat with the people that are actually living the real life. The average salary, the average salary for... Go ahead. According to the US Bureau of Labor, the average US salary in 2023 was $59,384.

That's average. Now granted, that factors in the LeBron James, the Shohei Otane, and that factors in the people that's making 20,000. But even if you made 20,000 a year, in 20 years, that's more than 375,000. So everybody motherfucking struggling. but because the US department said this is what everybody make, this is minimum.

Okay. Everybody's great. Now we got all these goddamn financial issues in the goddamn economy, but you listen to what that goddamn chart got to say. Okay. Listen, just because you make 60,000, yes, it costs more to live. Yes, groceries are higher, grand prices are higher,

rent is higher. That doesn't diminish what you make. Yes, it costs more to live. Yes. So that means we not make it enough, right? So you agree. Oh Joe, that's beside the point. You said they're not making it.

All I'm saying is it costs more to live. So yes, it's gonna the point. You said they're not making it. All I'm saying is it costs more to live. So yes, it's gonna cost more. The point, the point of the matter was, you said 375 wasn't a lot. So we don't know, we don't know how this man lives. He's going to Europe for, he's going to Europe for one. Right? Stay with me now.

Yes. He's going to Europe to live. So it's free, so is he swimming? If he's swimming. So how does he get to Europe? Come on man. I'm just asking because you say he's going to live modestly so I'm just trying to figure out how he gets to Europe. You got to stop throwing out all these hypotheticals man trying to spend the man money now. How the man get, I just wanna know how he get you. I don't know.

I don't know. Maybe he just mad at me for being stupid. I don't know how you gonna do it. I just, listen, 375 is a lot of God damn money. I don't care how you spice it, how you could get it. For a lifetime? For a lifetime. Hey, you know some people in this world won't even see a million dollars?

That ain't a, that's three, I said 375, I didn't say no million. A million, 375, 500,000, well you, but see, you outta touch for reality, man. Come on, man,, 500,000. But you, you gotta touch for reality, man. Come on, man, god I leave, man. Now you acting like 375 ain't no goddamn money cause you've been making millions all these years. Here you're not seeing that kind of money

in the regular world. Ocho, I'm saying 375 to last you a lifetime. Yes, if he gets a job and live modestly, that's one thing. You said the man can have 375 and he gonna be straight. Where? If you got people that would never see 375, you got somebody that gets a lump sum of 375, that lives below his means and lives the right

way. In this economy? He's going to Europe. Not here. Left. Their economy worse than ours. Oh, Joe, what are you talking about? Where?

In Europe? We don't live over there. How you know? I read. We don't live over there, how you know? I read. Oh, don't you can't listen. You can't listen. You can't listen.

Nothing they put out. Oh Lord have mercy. You can't listen to nothing they put out. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Let me do my little homework real quick. Go ahead.

Hold on. I'm looking right now. Hold on, I'm looking right now, hold on. Okay. No, what you doing okay for? I'm just saying 300. That was quick. Hold on, $375,000, not a lot of money. I know one thing, all these motherfuckers. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm not gonna let you breath, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait. While you're risking opening the chat. I'm not gonna let you breath that off. You just had 375,000. I'm not gonna let you breath that off. It ain't no money. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Don't press that off, Ocho. Not gonna, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want you to cut a chat with a green with Ocho. Read what you just said. Read what you saw. No, it's no. I want you to cut a chat with a green with Ocho. Read what you just said. Read what you saw. No, it's just certain. It's just certain people. I'm just I'm just I'm reading certain people talk about that. Ain't no money. OK.

No. Read what the cost delivery is in Europe. Oh, I couldn't find it. I can't. Yes, you could. Because you say, OK, you're right. No, no, no. Read it. Read it. Come on, Ocho. Don't do that. I'm going to tell you right now. I'm going to tell you right now. Hold on. 25 years, 25 players. Before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season,

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You know Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes? Mahomes is into the end zone! Touchdown, Kansas City! He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson? Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dart back and forth. Oh,

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This is the great topic because what is the average what is the average? What part of Europe? Okay, what part of Europe are you talking about? Eastern Europe We don't know that's 30. So hold know. So that's 30. So hold on. So that's 30. So that's $37,500 a year. Now you said he's not, you said he can live off that. That means he's not getting a job and he's living off 37.5 a year.

Why wouldn't he get a job? Why would he have a job? Because that was the argument, Ocho. I said, that's not a lot of money. Now, if he's going gonna get a job, yes. He's gonna get a job. He ain't going to Europe like he some damn, he just robbed the goddamn bank.

Of course he don't work. Ocho, let me see. The man faked his death. So you think he's gonna go get a job? Yes. Do you know how they do that? You know how to create a new identity? Yes, do you know how they get caught?

You don't think you know how to create a new identity? Do you know how to get caught? You don't think you know how to create a new identity? Did you know how to get caught? Did you see Oshas 11? Ocho. Yeah. There's a man hunt looking for him. He's not dead. Ain't nobody looking for him.

How you think we having a conversation, Ocho? His wife's nist on him. But you say there ain't nobody looking for him. No, I say his wife's nist on him. But you say there ain't nobody looking for him. I said his wife snitched on him. So how you think we having a conversation? So he go go get a job. Mate, you don't fight.

I don't understand how do you... Oh, we got it, we got it. Hey, come on, come on down here, man, to the real world with us regular folks. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. You talking to somebody that grew up. I understand.

I do. But I also understand how I was living. How many people wants to live in a thousand, 1200 square foot with no end, with minimal necessities. That's back, that's back, that's way back in the fifties, man. It was 2020. with minimal necessities. That's way back in the 50s, man. It was 20, 20. But you also have to understand, Ocho,

think about what you were accustomed to. Right. That's what I'm saying. This man is on the run. If you're on the run, how you gonna go get a job, Ocho? Do you know how all the things that you can do on a black market to change your identity

and be a completely new person in a new place? Let me stop before I get myself in trouble. I ain't finished, I'm not sitting here and talking about that stuff on here, cause I really shouldn't know nothing about it, but it's possible, it's very possible. People do it all the time. Yes, it's possible, but you gotta make it,

but Ocho, think about it. Think about all the people that did things and with the countries. Hell, they called a guy that killed, he killed two police officers in DC. They found him in a hut in Africa. Man. Man, please, Ocho.

Yes. Man, please, Ocho. Yes. Yeah, if he wants a menial job, yes, but I'm saying, but you said 375 was a lot of money. To do what? To do nothing? I mean, listen, you talking to the cheapest dude in the world, man.

So, to me, a lot of money. But we just had a conversation. When you have no money coming in and it's going out. Right. That's all right. And I think with understanding, he knows he would have to have a job. Doing what?

How you gonna do that? Yes, if he gets a job that doesn't, maybe he gets a job that doesn't require information. They're gonna pay you under the table, but okay, your identity. They post that, cause you know, they're gonna post it. Have you seen this guy? You know what?

I worked with a guy that looks just like him at the butcher mart. Or I worked at a guy with him in the factory. Then what? Then what? That's a good topic. I like that. Good topic. One thing about it, we'll never know.

Yeah, no, hell nah. I damn sure don't want to know how to live off. Oh, I already know. I'm not going to have to live off no 375 for the rest of my life. Hell nah. And then, Ocho, what happens when they freeze that, well, hopefully he got the check because they put, where you gonna catch the American check at in the UK? And listen, hey, you saw the movie.

He must be the cast to check. Hey, you saw the movie, Catch Me If You Can? Yeah, I do. Frank Abagnale. Yeah, I watched the movie. Oh, man. Boy, so many things you can do with that identity, man. I'm trying to figure out how y'all like,

I'm trying to figure out how y'all talk about I moved the goalpost. It's 375 for the rest of your life I'm just trying to figure out how I'm moving the goalpost so where you living at what's your rent even even the dingiest place go charge you one let you go get what you're going to get on me you know somebody they got a section that you're going to pay a fine. What's your plan?

Let's just say oh Joe you get one of these. Thousand dollar thousand dollar a month. Okay. That means you can only spend thirty-seven five. Oh Joe. Yeah. You better have no power. You're gonna have no you have no air Yeah. You ain't about to have no power. You ain't gonna have no air condition.

You ain't gonna have no lights. What you gonna eat? There's a way, because before you fake a death, you already have a format and a plan out. You got everything already planned out before you do all that. So, I don't know what his plan was. I'm not sure if he made it. I'm not sure if he made it.

I'm not sure how he got caught, but it's something that happens all the time. This just happened to be the one who did get caught. Man, I'm just trying to figure it out. But look, I understand there's like, yeah, if you lived in Mississippi, I'm trying to think if you lived in Mississippi, but still, I mean, I understand the cost of everything is elevated.

So when you factor the cost of everything is elevated, and you weigh that by making $37,500 a year, that's the problem where people are struggling, Ocho. It's not the fact that, okay, we're not, because they say people that make 150,000 is basically living check to check in America, because eggs and bread and everything is elevated. Price of gas is elevated. The cost of buying a home is elevated.

The price to rent a home or an apartment is elevated. So if everything is elevated, it's not that people aren't making money, it's just it costs more to live. the price to rent a home or apartment is elevated. So if everything is elevated, it's not that people aren't making money, it just, it costs more to live. Right. So if it's costing you, if 150,000, and have some people, and I'm not saying all,

you know, obviously you're probably living in some place like San Francisco or what a New York or someplace like that, Ocho, you know what I'm saying? Where rent, you know, you're paying 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 a month in rent. Yeah. Just imagine if you're paying 5,000 a month in rent. UK, UK ain't cheap, Ocho, it's not.

I don't know. I don't know, because everybody living in the UK ain't living like goddamn. No, everybody in America ain't living, Ocho. Why you think people complaining? I'm just saying. Hell, if I, Ocho, if I made $50,000 a year and gas was $1.33 a gallon,

and I can get three loaves of bread, that's something entirely different. Think about what it cost to buy a house back in the 60s. Think about what it cost to buy a car in the 60s. You could buy a car, you could buy a house. I mean, now a house is a car. Yeah, yeah. You ain't buy no three-bedroom bedroom, two bath house for no 60 grand?

That's what it cost. And your monthly payment was probably $75, $80 a month. You got to live within your means. Yes! Live within your means and act your wage. As I say it all the time. If you got a certain amount coming in, if you have lumps of them coming in, you have a plan to live within that means

and make that bitch stretch. All I'm saying is, people, if I gave you guys 300, let's just say somebody gave you 375,000, you retiring? Because if that's a lot of money, you can retire. Kick your feet up like I'm good. Hey, people in the chat, they rich. Because everybody said 375,000 ain't no goddamn money. Ocho, when you, Ocho, you talking about

for the rest of your life, Ocho, see, I think you getting confused talking about 375,000 a year. I'm talking about for the rest of your life. The rest of your natural life. Somebody tell me, I'm gonna flip it. Bro, you gonna be back to work tomorrow. You gonna be back to work tomorrow

because if that's all your money you got and you willing to risk it, I already know what you about to do. Somebody say he- I don't know, where you gonna be at tomorrow? Back, back working. Hey, no, Ocho, who taking, Ocho, who taking their last and try to flip it?

Man. Hey, well y'all hell, boy. Oh shit. 75% of the people say no, they couldn't live off 375 for the rest of their life. Hey, Ocho, hey, what they gonna do? They gonna play our parlay? They gonna play our draft key parlay? Like, look, I mean, the thing was, Ocho,

if you look at it, the way we grew up in the house we had, we didn't have to pay rent on it. But you know, my grandmother living off $197 every two months. You gonna have to eat, you gonna have to do some, cause I remember, man, I ain't even know. So if your mama, your grandma bringing in $197 every two weeks, you tell me what steak and ribs you think you eat.

Right. Oh man, that was funny. Yeah, but bro, people, people forget Ocho. I think people forget. I think people look at us now and what they see, they see Shannon now. I know what it's like to make $25. I know what it's like to make $25. I know what it's like to make $100 a week.

I do. I know that's not a lot of money. And I know what the cost of things now, I'm like, well, damn. And that's what people are having a problem with. It's not that they're not making more money, it's that the cost of living is going up and it's eating into the money that they're making. So if I'm making this, Ocho, I don't want prices to stuff that I need to do this also.

I need my money to go this way and I need, like y'all be graduate with bread and gas and food prices. I need it to creep. Hell, let's move it up at the same pace. Oh, I gotta get some tissue. Y'all got me crying, man. Hold on. Hold on.

Man, I just, man. Somebody talking about move to Uganda. Hey, boy, you say, oh boy, say if he go flip this shit, you ain't gonna be right back to work tomorrow. Yeah. Okay, flip. Okay, man, please. Man, I bet, look, I know what stuff calls, baby. I'm not, I'm not, oh, Joe, I'm not naive.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not naive. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm Man, I bet, look, I know what stuff cost. I'm not, I'm not, oh, Joe, I'm not naive. I got a lot of, I got a lot of households to fill. Oh, man. Oh, I needed that laugh. Hey, but you know what? Next time my employees come out, they need a raise.

I'm gonna say, hey, the chance that y'all can live about 37.5 a year chance that y'all can live off 37,000 a year. So y'all good. Ashtrick. Ash can't live off 37,000. Damn, they're 37,000 a month. The way he be spending. Oh, man.

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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Houston Sports Talk radio host and former New England Patriots quarterback Scott Zolak says it's possible that the Pats could release Stefan Diggs before he ever plays it down for the team. Speaking on 98 to 5 Sports Hub, Zolak said the following about the potential of the Patriots cutting Diggs, I came to this show yesterday with the opinion, not an opinion, but the knowledge that is on the table that is being thought of. And it's just not the boat.

It's just not the boat. There are some other things that I've heard that put some things into question. Are you all in here? He's, Ocho, this is what he said. I came to this show yesterday with the opinion, not an opinion, but the knowledge that it is on the table. A whole bunch of nothing.

That's what I say. Ocho, but you know when you go to a place like New England, you know, Ocho, you know when you go to a place like New England, you know, Ocho, you know how you got to move. You can't move like you can't. I know it's the off season, but you can't move like you were there. As a matter of fact, I don't even want to talk about it. Talk about when you were there.

Hold on, hold on. Bill Belichick ain't there no more. It's the same system. Bill Belichick. Let me ask you a question. Mike Vrabel doesn't work with a hard hand the way Bill does. Now we talk about a player's coach now.

You got Mike in there, it's a different ball game. I'm sure he doesn't run that motherfucker like a military system. Hey Chad, hey young guy, I swear before God, but my right hand to God, if anybody in the chat has seen the movie Full Metal Jacket, if you've seen the movie Full Metal Jacket, I know you saw Full Metal Jacket, right? Yes. Remember the beginning of the movie. Yes. Yes. I've never been to the army,

never been to the Navy, never been a Marine. But the way the drill sergeant was in that movie is what it felt like. The structure, the discipline, where everything had to be right. The cursing, it didn't matter who you was, who you were, everybody was expendable. That's how Bill, that's the type of ship Bill ran. This is what Mike Grable said. He wasn't happy with the video either.

It's something we're aware of, and obviously we wanna make great decisions on and off the field. Any conversation that I've had with Stefan will remain between him and I and the club. So I will ask you again, Ocho. Yeah. If it was no big deal, do you believe the head coach would have said what he said? What he didn't have a conversation. We may or may not have had will remain. He had no choice but

to say something because everybody made a big deal of the goddamn thing. It was if it's no big remain. He had no choice but to say something because everybody made a big deal of the goddamn thing. If it's no big deal, no, no, no, no. I don't worry about what the fans say. I ain't got nothing to do with it. I run the club, I won't run it. You have to because that's the era we're in. We're in a social media era.

So if there's a video- Did Bill Belichick ever respond? Did Bill Belichick ever respond? Now there were things going on in Tennessee he didn't respond to. Why you keep trying to compare Bill and Mike? They're two completely different coaches. There are different coaches,

but where do you think he learned how to coach? Where do you think you learn from what you're around? I have a question. Yes. Everybody under Bill Belichick that went to be a head coach, how did they do? I'm not saying they, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying.

Nobody's been able to do or emulate or know what he's done and But here's the thing you want to have as few of distractions Teams that have few distractions Those are the teams that normally win not saying always because the Cowboys are the 90s They were so talented. They had distractions in one regardless but The, look here, for Scott Zolak to say what he said, he said, this is not an opinion.

Who is Scott Zolak? He calls play by play, he does color for the Patriots. Okay, okay. He was there when you was there. Okay, all right. He said this is not, he said with the opinion, not an opinion, but the knowledge that it is on the table. Now, why would he have said that if it's not the case?

They say a lot of things. They say a lot of things. So you say he making this up? No, I just say I take it with a grain of salt. Okay. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Who's the best receiver in that wide receiver room

right now? That is how they do it in New England. It's the Patriot way. It ain't, you don't even have the players to have the Patriot way anymore. UK move, number 12 is gone. Ray Lewis is not there. Terrell sucks. Ed Reed are not in Baltimore. You play like a Raven. Different. You have a Lamar Jackson.

The standard Tom Brady and Jackson did not fit the culture in Baltimore. I don't care how great Lamar is Lamar Jackson did not fit the culture for Western Baltimore. I don't care how great Lamar is, Lamar Jackson did not set the culture for what's in Baltimore. That was long established way before Lamar Jackson set foot in Baltimore. Wait, I'm talking about from a skill set. Drake made Lamar Jackson. I'm talking about the culture in which you do think. Ocho, the military, first of all, is not people that go to the military. It's been established. The military runs regardless of who's there. You set the standard. You do things a certain way. I'm not listening. I don't really know Stefan Diggs. I know he's a phenomenal receiver. I know he's coming off an injury and I do

believe he can help the Patriots. Yeah. He's the best receiver there. What do you mean? Believe. On one leg. Yeah, he's the best receiver there. What do you mean believe? Oh, Joe. Was he the best receiver in Buffalo? Let him go. Was he the was he he was one of the best receivers in Houston? Yes, but Nego Nego Colin was that boy Nego Colin damn near top five. But go ahead. Let me ask you a question. Was Tyreek Hill the best receiver in Kansas City? Hell yeah. Was Randy Moss the best receiver in Minnesota, in Oakland, in New England?

Was Tio the best receiver in San Francisco? Was he the best receiver in Philly? Was he the best receiver in Dallas? Yeah. You see where I'm going with this? Yes. Okay. I see you going.

But also, also everybody doesn't have to move like a goddamn robot. It's the off season. He's on a boat. Okay. Now everybody don't want to fucking live like that. Okay. It's fucking boring.

Ocho. He's on a boat having trouble with women. Ocho, you killing the messenger. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, stay with me. You talk, listen, listen to me. All I'm telling you. No, no, no, no, no thing. He did nothing on, he's on a boat. It, that's it. Oh Joe.

Listen, they talk about, he knows he being filmed. So whatever he passing out is not what people are saying it is. I'm sure he told Raible that. It was harmless. Oh Joe, all I'm saying is, is that, excuse me, in certain situations you have to move accordingly. I understand that is, is that, excuse me, in certain situations, you have to move accordingly. I understand that in the off season,

that should be my free time. But you just have to, you know, you have to move a certain way. I got you, I'm with you. That's all I'm saying. I'm with you, I'm with you. But listen, listen, we're in a different time. We're in a different time, We're in a different time.

Players are a little different. You ain't going nowhere. You know my cheap ass ain't going nowhere. I've been in Miami all my life. I've been on the boat one time in 2000 and I threw up, I ain't been on the boat since. Right. So, I mean, just, I'm just looking at it

from a different landscape, not defending Stephon Diggs at all. I'm just looking at it from a different standpoint of, but damn, these boys can't even live their life. Cameras everywhere. You really can't do nothing. You can't go nowhere. But you know it was like that in New England, don't you?

Because guess who's still there? Mr. Kraft. Oh, you think he's on board with this? You know how he is. Yeah. Yeah. But listen, they had one year, right?

Yes. They fired, what's his name after, come on, what's his name, huh? Oh, Gerard Mayo. Gerard Mayo. Gerard Mayo, they gave him one year, you know? Friday. So now, Brabels there.

We want to turn things around fast as possible. Get all the pieces around a quarterback and Drake made, played very well last year and they wanted to make another leap this year, giving them all the right pieces and players that make his job easier. Stephon Diggs is one of those players that makes his job easier in that wide receiver room, veteran presence, very good receiver. One of the better rock runners of the league, despite ACL injury, hell, he wanted a better rock runs the league with one motherfucking leg, excuse me, recursion, but I understand what happened. Steph probably won't have this issue again.

Probably won't be on these boats again. Probably won't be around cameras again, but he still will. It's the same life he's always lived. This has always been him, I'm sure. You know, I know him personally, and just what we saw isn't what it was. I believe that. I just think the thing is that you have to understand

where you're like, okay, maybe they allowed you to do that in Buffalo, allowed you to do that in Houston, but you know when you go to New England, they operate on a different set of rules. They do, and they really do, because Mr. Kraff, he's a little distracted as possible, even though Coach Belichick, the Patriots,

I guarantee you they still gotta sign up to say even Coach Belichick is gone. Carl Brady is gone. They probably still got a thing up that says the Patriot way. Just like the Ravens have a play like a Raven. Yeah, absolutely. That culture was established a long time ago. And the thing is, is that what helped Baltimore

is as you mentioned, Lamar came in and he bought into that culture. Play to a standard. I'm playing. All that other stuff, don't even matter. I play to the culture. I play it like a raven. The Ray Lewis's and the Rod Woodson's and the Terrell Suggs and the Ed Reed, myself, when

I was there, there's a standard in which you play to. And it helps when you don't have a Ray Lewis and all those guys there, but you still have a Lamar. Right. And so Lamar's job is make sure the guys that, hopefully he has another decade, that he trends like, look guys, I'm not going to be here forever.

But there's a tradition here. And your job is to uphold that. So, yeah, it's just a different time now, Ocho. It's different. Yeah, you're right. It is really, really different. Yeah, and it's so funny. I'm not gonna go there.

I'm not gonna go there, but we talk about, you know what, I ain't gonna do it. Because we talk about the Patriots and you know what, I ain't gonna do it. Because we talk about the Patriots and, you know, you know what, I'ma leave it alone. Brandon Ingram declined $160 million with the Pelicans only to accept $120 million with the Raptors. But listen, I have a question.

I don't know in what world, chat, y'all stay with me real quick now. I don't know in what world where it's that bad, we leave $40 million on the table and choose to go somewhere else. You ain't nobody finna say it and tell me, listen, I just left New Orleans for a week, six, seven days straight. You ain't finna tell me based on what I saw in that wonderful city, culture, the people, the food, the architecture, the history. You ain't playing basketball. That you don't want to be there. You ain't playing the city, culture, the people, the food, the architecture, the history.

You ain't playing basketball. That you don't wanna be there. You ain't playing basketball. Well, the devil is alive. You just saw Tyreke. You just saw Tyreke complain, making 32 million in Miami with all that water, with all that nice weather, with all the women down there.

He complaining. Now you wanna try again? Now, wait a minute. Now, it now that's apples and oranges you talk about two different scenarios You talk about a Tyreek Hill that just came off a season That was nothing like like he felt it should have been you had a quarterback that gotten hurt He wasn't getting the ball like he felt he should he was frustrated stay with me He was frustrated about for one not putting up the numbers He should to not getting the ball the way he should and three

He got in front of that camera before he cooled down. That's called the rule number one Well after a game you make sure you go take a shower and calm down before you say anything You shouldn't say before you get in front of that camera Now you're not for this tell me that New Orleans is that bad? Even if you do play the game of basketball to the point where you know what? before you get in front of that camera. Now you're not gonna tell me that New Orleans is that bad, even if you do play the game of basketball, to the point where, you know what? I'm not coming back here, I'm not signing here.

I'm gonna leave $40 million on the table, I'm gonna go somewhere else and play for a hundred and two. Not going somewhere else, he went to Canada. He went to another country because he wanna win. You say frustration. Who wants to be there? see Zion you think Zion want to be in New Orleans? it is if I mean the at that hold on did Anthony did Anthony Davis want to be in

New Orleans so I'm just trying to figure out the players that they've had that wanted to be there you say you can't understand why because I want to win I can't win there. Well, listen, well, you know what the onus, that's on management. Management needs to make it a place, some kind of way, some shape, way, form, or fashion where people want to come. Ocho.

You need to do what you need to do. Ocho, see, it's great for you, Ocho, if you're a tourist. I'm trying to win Whoa, I know goddamn tourists I'm from New Orleans you a tourist you go down there for a couple days You get to eat the food you get to get but I'm saying these guys got to live it. They want to win Yeah, that's not connected in New Orleans. It's not conducive for winning. It's okay. It's not a knock on the city But let me ask you a question. What big-time free edges signing and New Orleans is not conducive for winning. It's okay. That's not a knock on the city. But who, let me ask you a question. What big time free agent signing with New Orleans?

I'll wait, you just take your time. Say we got time, we just getting started. Tell me the big time free agent that's signing with New Orleans. Okay, I understand what you're saying. I understand what you're saying, but you didn't hear what I said first. The ownership management, creating an environment

where people wanna come to. You know, there was a time where people didn't wanna come to the heat. The onus of management creating an environment where people wanna come to. You know, there was a time where people didn't wanna come to the heat. They always wanted to come to the, first of all, first of all, how many big, the only thing, you traded for Jimmy Butler. I mean, you got Jimmy. And LeBron was, LeBron was,

but Bron ended up being a trade, he did him a solid. They didn't get KD. They didn't get no big, mother free agents. So why you over there huffing and puffing talking about coming to Miami, when, who? Let me finish. Let me finish. There was a time when nobody wanted to come to Cincinnati.

You know that? They still don't! Nobody have a problem. You can stop playing. What big time free agents y'all got? All of them want to come. I said they want to come. The timing hasn't been right for them to. You say they want to come. The timing hasn't been right for them to.

I know you say they want to come. Who? And I'm not an owl. I don't sit on no tree. I can't turn my head all the way around, but who? Listen to me. Listen to me. The big free agents that have been available,

you listen to me, that's where they wanted to go. They just didn't say anything publicly. Why did they go? It didn't work out in their favor. I just. And it didn't work out in their favor. I just told you, it didn't work out in their favor. Money. So you, so in other words, they want to go to Cincinnati knowing they're not going to get paid.

Knowing Mike Brown has been cheap. Knowing the Bingles have been cheap their entire existence. Really? But I'm just telling you. Now listen, who's the owner? Who's the owner in New Orleans? Who's the owner? Ms. Gail Benson.

Impaling his own. Mr. Benson. Gail. Ms. Gail Benson. The husband died. Wait, Ms. New Orleans St. Stale? Yes. Oh, man, that's for a girl. Oh. You for real?

Yeah. Man, I got to talk to Ms. Benson. I got to talk to Ms. Benson because, listen, what I saw in New Orleans, there's no reason why two things can't coexist. The Pelicans having a winning mentality and it all starts at the top, to go along with the goddamn city that is winning itself. I know, but the hell I saw the past week I was out there. I told you, I'm from the seventh world.

I'm from uptown now. I'm from uptown. Matter of fact, you wanna to go with me? Uh, Uh in march for what? Uptown uptown super sunday Let me ask you a question. Oh, yeah, how many big time free agent signed with the help the atlanta You in atlanta. Oh nice. Oh, hey, that's a place to be. How many big time for basketball free edges signed there? How many big they don't have a winning environment.

They have a winning city, though. The aesthetics are very pleasing outside of the arena. I can tell you that I don't go there often. I'm just telling you what somebody told me. I can tell you what I know. I'll tell you what I heard. Atlanta is a beautiful place. The man. So it's Houston. What is Houston? What do you consider Houston?

Yeah, I like Houston. Okay, I know you like Houston. Let's talk about the environment. They're young. They're up and coming. I love what I may is doing with that team. Sungoon is an all-star. I like Jaylen Green.

I mean, the guy is 20, what 22 years of age, balling out. They got, they, I'm in Thompson. They got a nice young squad. They got a nice young squad. Probably need one more veteran. You know, Van Fleet, I like Van Fleet. I like Brooks.

They get out there, they play hard night in and night out. They had a little rough patch where they lost about five or six games in a row, but you can deal with that. I think they're going to be just like the Texans. The Texas is going to be a place that you got a quarterback. You got Nico Collins. You got D'Amico Ryan who has a great defense. You see, they got the nail Hunter.

They got Will Anderson jr. They got Stingley jr. They got someell Hunter, they got Will Anderson Jr., they got Stingley Jr., they got some nice pieces. They got some nice pieces. They're a few players away. They were able to lure Laramie Tunsell. The problem that they had is that Bill O'Brien ruined it when he traded a damn run it back for all pro wide receiver.

Where the hell they do that at? Right. I never understood that. Uh, and then you had the situation with the Sean, you had a situation with the son and we don't need to get into it, but we know what happened and that kind of set them back for a year or two, but they were able to get CJ CJ look CJ looks to be what he's supposed to be. Hello down year this year, but I expect him to bounce back and play better next year. We'll see what they do.

They lost a lot of their receiver. Tankdale got injured. Stefan Diggs got injured. But I love the addition of Joe Mixon. They're a couple of pieces away. They're gonna be right back in the mix. Boost Mobile is now legit nationwide 5G network. So I have to take a break from

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5G speed not available in all areas. But I think that's the thing. Listen, Brandon Ingram did not make this decision, didn't take this decision lightly. It wasn't no, oh man, okay fine. He had been sitting there for an extended period of time and he realized it. He said, first of all,

the guy that y'all wanna build this thing around, he can't stay healthy. Now for the most part, Brandon Ingram hadn't stayed healthy either. So let's be all the way with that. So he, I mean, I understand he's looking at Zion and Zion can't stay healthy, but Brandon Ingram missed a lot of time also and Pelican fans, y'all know that. So it was like, man, let me go ahead and bounce. You're like, I go to a team, you know, they got Scotty Barnes. I like Scotty They got that. I mean look

I hate calling the man last thing but uh, what do you mean? How you leave 40 million on the table? Come on now What are we doing? Look, oh see The basic mistake that I made a lot of times is that I put myself in that situation You can't put yourself in that situation. You wouldn't know but oh Money can't buy happiness the man happy Listen money can't buy you happiness, but you know money can't buy you It can buy your time where he had

Baking by you have all the time you want to spend in there It can buy you time. He would have had all the time he would have spent in there. Boy. Hey, look at what you call it. Look at, what's the guy's name? Look at Melinda Gates. Bill Gates worth 200 billion. 200 billion.

She say, I'm gone. Bezos wife, I'm gone. But you say money can buy happiness. I don't even like the fact that you- I'm gone. Yeah. Bay goes what? I'm gone. But you say money can buy happiness. I don't even like the fact that you- I'm just saying. Because the fact that we have billionaires in this world, the fact that we have billionaires in this world, and one of the things with little girls growing up,

they're taught, you got to find you someone that they would provide and provide you with stability. If Bill Gates and a few other billionaires that I named not too long ago on one of the shows have not been able to keep a woman happy long-term, they just haven't. At the end of the day, Ocho. What chance do us normal folks have?

Well, you gotta be happy. Ocho, you make it seem like it's only the women. All right, men get divorced too. Men leave relationships. I ain't never seen, I ain't never, don't do that. When the last time you seen a man initiated a divorce? I ain't seen it in a very long time.

More times than not, it is the woman initiated, but it's the woman that's also getting fed up with something. So it's not something that she did. Women don't haphazardly do things. Women are very methodical. They're very far. They're not just rushing out. They're not, see, a guy, see, a guy, see,

a guy will leave a great woman for a fine thing. That's how women think. Women don't think like that. Women are very methodical. Women are very meticulous. When a woman leaves a man and they've been in a relationship for an extended period of time,

she's had it up to here. Now you notice I said here, because when she had it up to here, she stayed. When she up to here. Come on now. Now you notice I said here, because when she had it up to here, she stayed. When she get to here. Oh, right. Also what you need to understand too, uncle, you got to think about this. When a woman is fed up,

before she gets to here and she's right here, all her checks, all her checks and deaths gotta be in a row. All her I's gotta be dotted and all her T's gotta be crossed before she gets to here so she can exit. The plan has to be played out completely. She can't leave until she knows exactly what plan B is and then can execute itself.

Because you can't leave and then be dead in the war. Which is why when we talk about billionaires and their wives and marriage and divorce, you notice they always take half with them, right? I mean, a lot of times they're like, look here, I ain't taking half, cause neither one of them had pre-nubs. So theoretically, they could have got a big old chunk. They could have got bored of what they got.

Now, 40, 50 billion. They ain't nothing to laugh at. Yeah. But I think the thing is a lot of times when women, women already see women will already told you. What they're unhappy about and and you know, fix it. We ain't listening. And then like, man, I don't know what happened. Well, she kind of told you.

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