Club Shay Shay - Unc & Ocho's Most Fiery Debates Part 2: JACKASS Crew Messing with Jamie Foxx?! + Tetairoa McMillan admitting he doesn’t watch football

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Jackass crew’s wild stunt with Jamie Foxx and Tetairoa McMillan admitting he doesn’t watch football. The duo discusses whether a lack of film study and game viewing could impact his ability to perform at a high level in the NFL.   48:24 - Jamie Foxx vs Jackass Crew 56:52 - Justin Jefferson rides an ATV1:09:55 - Tetairoa McMillian doesn’t watch football   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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According to reports, a phallic laser pointer sparked a heated dispute at Jamie Foxx's birthday dinner. According to TMZ, during the celebration at Mr. Childs in Beverly Hills, someone from the VIP rented area by Jackass production company, Penis productions projected a penis shaped laser at Jamie's table, upsetting him, especially since his kids were present. Jamie went upstairs to confront the group leading to an altercation. Sources say Jackass Forever stunt man Jas Dolphin, allegedly threw a glass at Jamie, cutting him near his mouth.

Jamie, Jamie bleeding, exclaim, it's my birthday, what's wrong with you, before leaving to get stitches? People play too much. They play entirely too much. Why? Why? But you see, Ocho?

Now somebody had to say, because didn't know Jamie Foxx was having a birthday party. Right. I mean, who's coming there with a production? They went there with that so to do that. So is he okay? This wasn't this I'm assuming this wasn't a stun or nothing like that you say it was somebody They made he threw a glass he threw a glass and hit him in his mouth and busted cut him. He'll be okay Normally that normally that starts a royal rumble, you know, I don't I don't see someone throwing something I think I'm not Jay. I mean that Jamie Jamie really tried to squabble like that But they know who to do that to.

Normally somebody goes to Mr. Child, they ain't trying to bang, okay? They ain't trying to bang. Right, right, right, right. They want to have a good time. They with their family. They with some loved ones. They with some friends.

Celebrating something. They want to get a good meal. People play too much, man. Y'all need to stop playing. Everybody ain't bought them pranks. I see people in the mall, you know, they go to play a good meal. People play too much, man. Y'all need to stop playing. Everybody ain't bought them pranks. I see people in the mall, you know, they go to play one side. Is that your man?

That's your, and people's, bro. Y'all stop. Everybody don't play like y'all play. Yeah, but it's not a prank though, huh? It's too grown. This is not a prank. Yeah, he got a phallic shape, laser, pointing at Jamie. Okay.

Oh, and okay, okay, okay. I see, I see you going to Jamie got upset and confronted them about doing the bullshit. Okay, I got you. He got kids at the table. Cause they probably got some special coming out of something. Cause you know, they'd be doing pranks like that, but I'm not the one.

I'm not, I am not the one. You never been pranked? I don't play like that, don't you? I don't play like that. Cause actually they wanted to punk me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they punked. They punked, they punked, it was funny. My daughter, Kayla said, no, daddy ain to punk me. You remember, at a TV show. Yeah, punk was funny.

My daughter, Kayla said, no, daddy ain't the one. No. I don't play like that. I don't play with people I don't know. Don't play with me. You don't know me like that. I don't play with you.

I don't play. People that know me, I'm very matter of fact, I'm from point A, I'm from point B. I don't all that kiki, me and you joking back and forth, that is not the Shannon Sharp that I am. I am not. Wait, so you don't be joking with me, you not, damn. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

And people expect this is how I am. With them, outside of me. Oh, no. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, I thought it was just an act with me. I was sad. No, no, no. I don't, listen.

I'm very respectful. Hey, how you doing? I always, anytime I meet somebody, Ash always, why you do that? Hello, I'm very respectful. Hey, how you doing? I always, anytime I meet somebody, Ash always, why you do that? Hello, I'm Shannon Sharp. I'm not arrogant enough to believe that everybody knows who I am. Boom.

Don't play. Just, hey, go about your business. Let me go about my business. God, boy, look here. Oh, we told Mr. Childs up. Mr. Childs have been closed from renovation. I promise you. You'd have been there tussling out.

I guarantee you, that's not, I bet you that wouldn't have made the Netflix, especially if they were shooting some kind of prank, bull job or a movie. I bet you that wouldn't have made it. Like I said, that's why I stay to myself. I sneak in, I sneak out, I go in there, my like 730, I'm trying to get in and get out.

I'm out of there. I don't do a whole lot of big crowds and stuff. Nah, hey man, we got this. No, no, just let me go ahead. Let me go ahead and buy my business. Right, right, right. People just play too much. What is this?

You know what happened on show? The internet calls this because everybody's trying to capture content. Right, right, especially in this era. That's the era we're in right now. We're in the content era. That's the problem. I just, and everybody wanna get content

and you saw that guy, that guy got shot in the mall He got put that 22 on him. Tell me. Oh you shot me. Yeah Cuz stop playing with people y'all stop running on people and throwing stuff on people in these stores and stuff and doing all kind of stuff man How to grow for that? You know, yes, no, I'm gonna say it's a means of income It's a different way of it's a different way of revenue, a different way of income.

And it's the times we're in now, you know, people understand that you can make money based on these pranks and helping. You get the hell beat out you. How much is that worth? So depending on how much, depending on if it go viral, what you get could be a pretty penny too. Now, now I think about it.

You won't enjoy none of it. Uno confirms, you cannot stack plus cards on top of another. So in other words, you can't officially put draw two on a draw two. I told y'all y'all been making up rules. Y'all won't even rule. Y'all won't even read the rules. So if you throw down a draw two and I'm supposed to draw two,

I can't hit you with a draw two before I draw the two out? No. I mean, I never played that way anyway, because if you drop down a draw two, I draw my two. And it can continue to the next person, whoever's after me. Right. I've always played like that.

Now, you know. Or if we play, if we playing, like just you and I playing, to the next person, whoever's after me. Right. I've always played like that. Or if we playing, just you and I playing, and I put draw two down on you, and you draw two. I can't put another draw two down there. Nah, nah. I'm gonna get me some Uno cards that have a draw 50. I'm gonna draw that draw 50 on you. Hey, you know, it's funny.

I mean, most of the people in the chat, depending on how long they've been following me, I play Uno with my people on our dates. When the bill come, we play Uno to decide who pays, who pays best game out of three. We play old school rules. And the new Uno cards you buy, I don't like the fact that it comes with all these new cards

and all these new ways to play the game. I throw those out where you could write in, we could write in something new and like, man, I throw all that out. I wanna play the original Uno game that I was playing when I was growing up. I'm not playing all that new stuff they be talking about today.

Man, Uno say, man, look here. Y'all be playing the hood version, Uno. Hey, we gonna take it back. We gonna take it back to the way the game was intended to be played. Which is, we did that with everything. We gonna find a loophole and make it specific to us. Be it spades, be it a monopoly.

God, you know, hey, you cool, don't worry about it. You land on my property, you skate. You can't, it's not supposed to be like that. If somebody lands on your property, you got to charge, you got to tax them. But hey, it is what it is. Justin Jefferson is going viral, Ojo. He's riding an ATV.

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I'm wearing no helmets and no ATVs man. Okay. Now ask Ben Rothenberger, do we wish he had a helmet on? Man, that's that. We ain't got nothing to do with men. See, that's the thing. See, athletes, what makes us great is what makes us fallible because we don't believe it's going to happen to us. Well, it's nice not believing. I Well, yes, it's not believing.

I mean, it could happen, but you got to think. No, you don't. Did you see what you said? You said, no, nobody wear no ATV wearing a helmet. Be so adieu. Let me finish. Let me talk. Let me talk.

I'm from Miami, right? Yes. I'm from Miami. What do we do here in Miami? We ride ATVs in the city. I've been riding them all my life. Let me tell you when I do them. Now, I don't do it all the time.

When it was Christmas time, we 50D. Martin Luther King Jr. Parade, we 50D. On Yamaha Banshees, I ride dirt bikes. I've been doing it all my life. I didn't wear, you know, I ain't never wear no helmets, but I ride careful. I'm very safe. All I see is him sitting there doing donuts

in some sand all by himself. I mean, ain't nothing gonna happen right there. You know, not in that setting. But I understand what you mean though. I understand what you mean. You know what you... You said, I remember when Lamar tripped over the jet skis. Wasn't nothing gonna happen though, right?

How he tripped over the jet skis, Ocho? Wait, who trippin' over the jet skis? Lamar. What happened? He did? You know what they call people that ride motorcycles and ATVs? What? Organ donors. Oh, I ain't, listen, I ride safe.

I've been ridin' safe. I ain't never had no accidents. But see, it's not you, Ocho. Right. It's the cars. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't anticipate how fast you're actually going. And they don't give a damn about you. Actually, yeah, they don't.

But you know what I've always learned? You know what I always learned? When I do ride, I ride offensively and defensively. I'm not riding for me when I'm on a dirt bike or Yamaha Banshee. I'm not riding for me. I'm playing scenarios out in my head as I'm going ahead. If that makes sense, it might not make sense to you.

If certain things happen, if certain things happen, I want to be able to process the information fast enough to be able to adjust. If I'm driving that car that's coming. I don't know if you can do that though, Joe. Right, I mean, listen, Uncle, I mean, I did, well, I don't do it no more. I don't Joe. Well, I mean, listen, I did, but I don't do it no more. I don't ride no more, I'm too old now.

And the noise, the engine noise get on my nerves. You know you get old, you don't wanna hear that loud crap no more. I mean, I'm surprised. I would be shocked if the Vikings don't call him. He was doing donuts and some dirt. Vikings don't call him. He was doing doughnuts and some dirt. I don't think he was doing nothing. I got $140 million tied up in here.

A lot of times they put that, that's the same thing when people play basketball. Hey man, I'm just going out here, get me a run. And then when you blow your knee out, then what, Ocho? When guys were skiing, skiing used to be a big thing. Guys blow their knees out, then what? Right.

The thing is, Ocho, is that, I'm telling you, as an athlete, we don't think things that happen to common people because we're doing what regular people don't do. Right. So by doing what other people don't do, we don't think that things that happen to them can happen to us.

So. So why you think, so why, now that's your question. I don't like that. I think they should be able to enjoy themselves. It's the off season, I think players should be able So why you think, so why, let me ask you a question. I don't like that. I think they should be able to enjoy themselves. It's the off season. I think players should be able to do the things they like to do before they made it.

I'm sure he was riding four wheelers before. I'm sure Lamar Jackson was riding jet skis before he made it. I think they should be able to enjoy themselves. So what about the guy, so what about the gang members? What about the guy that was robbing people that was doing that before they made it? They should still be able to do that, right? Come on, man. That's, that's, come on. You compare two different things, man. What about the guy that was robbing people that was doing that before they made it? They should still be able to do that, right?

Come on, man. That's applicable. You compare two different things, man. I'm using your logic. You said a person should be able to do... I said the athletes, when they're in the off-season, they should be able to enjoy themselves and be careful. Okay, so he should be able to do what he wants to do in the off-season, correct?

Yes. Okay. No, I'm talking about the players. No, no, no, no, that's not what you're saying. I'm saying there are players that did things. What about all these Georgia players that get busted for speeding? 137, 117, 120, there's nothing wrong with that

because it's the off season. And they've probably been driving like this their whole life, correct? No, there are rules that you shouldn't, that rules you're supposed to follow. You're not supposed to be speeding. You're not supposed to be speeding. That's part of the rules.

Oh, Joe. Part of the rules is saying you're not supposed to be speeding. Who said you can't ride an ATV? Hold on. You should be able to ride an ATV in the off season. What about with a helmet? What? What about with a helmet?

You don't have to ride it. You know there are certain places you don't have to have a helmet on, right? Miami being one of them. Wherever he is in the middle of nowhere, where there's nobody around, going in circles. But what about taking precautions, Ocho? I mean, what about taking precautions? OK. No.

I like it. I understand where you're coming from. But no, that's just being, that's the nitpicking. Hey, listen, something can happen to you when you walk out your door, no matter what. Something can happen to you. You could be driving in your car, a big rig can run into you. No, no matter what your question, are you more actually getting into an accident riding 115 or driving 65? What are the probability? Right.

No, I'm asking, don't say right. I'm saying what is more likely to happen? Okay, listen to what you just said. Going 115 miles an hour or riding 65? What's the probability? 115, the probability is you might get hurt going 115. But going in a circle, slow as hell, ain't nothing gonna happen to you.

There's no chance that thing will roll over There's no chance absolutely not not in dirt. No The wheels would have to get caught on something Not on dirt. It's an ATV. I All ATV means all-terrain vehicle that doesn't mean anything old Joe stop You're on dirt. You're on sand. I'm telling you as somebody who's been riding for 30-plus years, all he doing is going in the circle. Ain't nothing finna happen.

Come on, now. Ocho, watch your step. I understand what you're talking about, but come on, now. According to government website, over 100,000 people visit emergency rooms annually due to ATV accidents. Approximately three to four hundred die in ATV accidents per year. So nothing happens. Hey, hold on. You should see what those people doing as dying. You should see what they doing. You said there was nothing can happen on the ATV.

We're talking about the video for contacts. He's going in a donut in a circle. Nothing's gonna happen. So let me ask you a question. Going in a donut in a circle. Nothing's gonna happen So let me ask you a question going in the doughnut have a car ever turned over going in the doughnut What did we talk about we're talking About it. I know somebody that had an ATV What do we talk about hey, hey you want to tell it with you with your ATV accident Ash? Going five miles an hour? Okay, T. Ash though, Ash don't know how to ride no ATVs. What happened? Hey, Ash fail or flipped over?

Broker femur, fracture the ribs, broker wrist. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? Yeah. Serious, what? Yeah. Serious, what she ran into? She flipped over on herself. Oh, Ashley, she ain't never rode before, huh? Huh? Yeah.

Bro, Ash grew up on a farm. I'm talking about a ranch. No, no, let me take it back. A ranch. Right, right, right. 10,000 acres. 15,000 acre ranch. Right. She's like, no, you call it a farm. Ash, Ash, how many what? 5,000 head of cattle? 10,000 head of cattle. Is that a big enough ranch for it? 10,000? Yeah. Jesus. But look, Ash don't count. Ash don't really count. I don't like to put her in anything because Ash clumsy. Right. She throw her back out, getting up out of a chair. It's 85 degrees and she got pneumonia.

So Ash is an outlier. So for anything that could probably happen. So you know what, Ocho, I'm sorry I brought Ash into this. Ash don't count, but these other people do count. Yeah. Oh man, that was a good one. But I, man, I just couldn't, I just couldn't. I quit, hey, Ocho, I used to love basketball, man.

I love basketball. But man, I got this money. Man, I ain't finna, I ain't finna chance this one. You got your money just, and you stopped doing what you love. No, I didn't love it. Because basketball wasn't gonna keep a roof over Mary Porter Porter head it wasn't gonna take care of the kids Now you tell me that NBA players that don't be about their playing football

No, but they still play football. No, they still play basketball in all season. And you know, that's their craft. Oh, Joe Can I finish yes, you know what basketball players also do in off season? They get their ass on ATVs. They get on jet skis. They go have fun on yachts. They travel. They do all those things. Now your mindset is a little bit different.

It always has been because the structure and discipline, and you always remembering what pays the bills. Yeah, for sure. You know, everybody done things like that. That's why in certain situations, especially like this, you're very passionate because if it was you in that position, I'm not doing that. I'm not taking that chance.

But you know, Michael Jordan, he actually used to have a motorcycle club. He had a motorcycle, he used to race, well, he had a team, a motorcycle team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he used to ride hard. He had a crotch rocket. So, I mean, he was zipping through this.

But he also had, he could play pickup basketball because he had it written into his contract for the love of the game clause. So he could play pickup basketball. At that time, not a whole lot of guys had it. But I just look, if he gonna ride it, I would just put a helmet on. I would rather be safe than sorry.

Yes, sir. I just better be safe than sorry. That's why I got off that, you know, you and I was talking about road bikes. Yeah. I always wore a helmet. Then I just, man, every time I turn around, somebody had done got their ass rad over

and then nobody stopped to help them. See man, let me get my ass off this bike. Jay Williams, you remember Jay Williams? The dude? Jayden. Yeah. Lost his career, motorcycle. Yeah, the dude, the number lost his career, motorcycle. Yeah, the dude, the number two pick of the drive. Oh, oh, okay, okay, okay.

ESPN. Yep, motorcycle. That's how our teammate got killed, Roderick Thomas, he got killed on a motorcycle. I just look, my grandfather played that, and so once I got big enough, old enough, he said, boy, they call it ass fault. It's your ass and it's your fault. Hey, one thing about ass fault. I ain't never want one. I ain't never want one.

Right. I can honestly say I've never ever wanted a motorcycle. Yeah. I didn't do motorcycles, but man, down here, there's dirt bikes and them four wheelers. And you know, we ride in the middle of the street. It just. Oh yeah.

They got the motorcycles out there. New York, Philly and Miami. New York, Philly and Miami. When New York, Philly, and Miami. When it come to the dirt bikes, and them Yamaha Banshee. Oh, I see. I saw Meek out there. It's like that every once in a while,

you catch them in Atlanta, and they be about 50 or 100 deep. Atlanta too? Yeah, they got a motorcycle club. Oh, I ain't know that. I ain't know that. Yeah. And they go,

and the thing is, you need need it because all that noise and then you could just, you could control the traffic. Right. Because once you get behind them, you can't go nowhere. No, they take it up all lanes of the road. It's like 40 of them. Yeah. Uh huh. But I think that's the, you know, that's, that's the best way to ride is the, you ride, to make sure you can protect yourself. But nah, hell nah. 25 years, 25 players. Before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal, and some of the top NFL minds like

Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes, and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back, giving you NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know, Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes? Mahomes is under the end zone! Touchdown, Kansas City! He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson? Jackson takes it himself. Look at him. Back and forth. Oh, he broke his ankles and he's got a touchdown. He is Houdini. You are going to have to listen to find out. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years, starting on June 30th on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Arizona wide receiver. How you say that name? Ketaroa? Macmillan? Oh, Ocho says he doesn't

watch football and doesn't watch love doesn't like watching game film. I don't like watching game film either. I don't ever watch it by myself because we go over film as a receiver group. Ocho, is this a big deal or no? You know, I don't think it's a big deal because- Oh Lord have mercy Ocho. You asked me a question, right?

Yeah. Okay, you asked me is is it a big deal? I don't think it's a big deal. What does he do once you turn the film on? Him specifically, from an individual standpoint. So watching film is not a big deal. Answer what I just said. When you turn the film on and it's time for him to play,

what does he do on the field regardless of him not watching film? Does he show up and play? Is he productive at what he does? Okay. I'm asking you. I know a guy had that same thing, Jermarcus Russell.

How did that work out for him? I don't know about Jermarcus Russell. You do know about Jermarcus Russell. He was the first number one overall pick. We not talk about Jermarcus Russell, we talk about him. This Ocho. So this man ain't gotta watch no film.

Yeah, he ain't gotta watch film. You asked me, is it a big deal? I said, no, it's not a big deal. If you produce it, you get your ass on the field. How you gonna get mad at my goddamn answer? Because you saying stuff, Ocho, you saying watching film for a receiver is not a big deal. He says he doesn't watch it by himself, but he watches it collectively as a group.

You know, in order to be great, you got to watch it on your own. So just watch it. Just so just what so just watching it as a group at the team thing. That's good enough. I'm just gonna make sure I listen. That's him. I know what I did. Oh, Joe.

That's why we're asking you. You were the pro bowler. You're saying it's not a big deal. Hold on, hold on. Let me ask you something real quick. So watching the film by yourself, right? Yes. Stay with me real quick.

Stay with me. You know what you're looking at. You're looking at DB, looking at defense. Yes, I'm watching the technique outside. Do they do the freeze technique? Do they press bail? What do they do outside, inside? Yes, I'm watching all that, yes.

All that good stuff. Now that's, now me and you on the same page, right? Let's say he doesn't watch it as an individual, but he watches it as a group. He watches it as a group. Once he gets to the next level, and he gets out and does what he's supposed to do without watching

it individually. Is it still a bad thing? He's still productive. Is it still a bad thing? I don't believe I mean personally. Oh, you don't think he can get it done because he doesn't watch film by himself. No, no, no, no, no. There have been guys that watch film and can't get it done. I just ignore that. I'm not saying that. but what I'm saying, but I'm saying is the intricacies of what you're watching that guy does at certain down and distance, because everybody, so because I've got to watch a guy that he might play such and such different than what he plays me.

I need to know it down and distance, area of the field, how that guy's going to play, because he's going to play, hey, is he going to play the sticks? Does he press bell? Does he, you know, is he cluing? I need to know all that. If I'm not watching tape, it's just hard for me to believe.

Now he could, he could be that immensely talented that you say, you know what, I'm just gonna show up. But I don't know, I haven't heard any receiver that's worth anything that says, nah, you know, I'm good. Because you gotta do it on your own. You got to. You have to. And you know, when I think about it now,

I'm only speaking because when he said, he says, he didn't say he didn't watch it at all. He said he watched it as a group. Now that's one thing. Now him not doing it individually, I mean, that's on him, but he was very productive in what he did. And when you turn on the film. He said, I don't ever's on him, but he was very productive in what he did.

And when you turn on the film- He said, I don't ever need to watch it by myself. This is what he said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like watching film either. I don't ever need to watch film by myself because we go over it film as a receiver group. Group, collectively, yeah, see?

Yeah, that's different. My reason for watching film individually is I had no choice. Despite the entertainment, the jokes, and the laughter, and the celebrations, I was a student of the game. I studied film just like the quarterback. You wanted to be good, Ocho.

Right. You wanted to be great. Oh, great, okay, I was gonna say. And you realized that's what it took in order to be good, Ocho. Right. You wanted to be great. Oh, great, okay. And you realized that's what it took in order to be great. You realized that just your God given ability wasn't gonna beat enough. Now that might have gotten you to that point.

Yes, sir. But what's gonna take me to the next level. Next level. With every other receiver is just as talented as I. Yes, sir. You right. Right, and listen. And so that's what, but Ocho, a better point. Everything that's thought doesn't need to be said out loud. You're right. And listen. But Ojo, a better point.

Everything that's thought doesn't need to be said out loud. Okay. Some things you just keep to yourself. He'll learn it though. Now I want you to tell me what you think them 32 NFL teams thinking. You're right. That's what I don't get, Ojo. I don't get because you know how teams feel.

Remember what they put, if it wasn't a big deal, why did they put that clause in Kyle Murray's contract? Kyle Murray's contract, oh, about gaming? Yeah. Why would you ever say this publicly? When you're about to get, Ocho, somebody's about to get, you going on a job interview, and you tell the people,

I don't really like coming on time. Why would you ever tell the people that's interviewing you for a job that? Get the job first. First, yeah. And then let them figure out that you don't like to bring your ass to work on time. I'm not gonna tell you.

Hey, yeah, you right. But one thing by Young Bull, you know, they interviewing them for a reason. They talking to him for a reason. If you watch him, if you watch him on film, you watch him on tape. Oh, he's going to get drafted somewhere. Now the issues and some of the things he already said, Oh, they're going to fix that. They didn't have a problem. Cause once you get drafted, wherever you go, they're going to teach you and, and, and let you know in order to be great, in order to make this 53 man roster, you're going to teach you and let you know in order to be great, in order to make this 53 man roster, you're going to have to be watching film.

You're going to have to, because there's a whole different ball game of one percenters once you do make it. The things you were able to get away with in college, you won't be able to get away with it at the next level. You won't be able to. And one of the edges that you need is up here, upstairs. Yes. Up here. Because you need is up here, upstairs. Yes. Up here.

Because you need to know what the DB is thinking about doing before he does. Yeah. So, oh bro, I know this down the distance. I done seen you too many times. I know what's coming. You can play this technique. Yep.

I already know what you're going to do. This is what you always do. Yeah. And there are articles being circulated now that now predict him to fall in the draft because of this interview and 15 seconds of comments. And there are articles being circulated now that now predict him to fall in the draft because of this interview and 15 seconds of comments. Ocho, why, Ocho, you, three weeks,

the draft is what, little less than a month away. Right. Ocho, why would you ever say this? Yeah, listen, I don't know. It's something that I would have kept to myself. Yes! Obviously, I wouldn't have said anything like that, but I'm also someone that loves, loves watching film.

I love it. I just love it. I love watching DBs. I love watching the safety and seeing what they're doing based on down and distance. So I was, I had no choice, unk. I talked too much shit not to watch film. I got to know what's coming before it come.

I got to. That's coming before it come. I got to. That's the edge I needed. I wasn't physically imposing, you know? So my one edge was, I got to be able to beat you up here before I beat you anywhere else. You're absolutely right. I got to be able to beat you up here. And I'm not even viewed as one of those,

one of those type of players that was a student of game. I'm viewed as just entertainment and fun. May you understand the work I had to put in throughout the week to be able to pull off the stuff I was pulling off? Man, stop playing. The guys are too good, Ocho. Way too good.

The guys are too, because you gotta, and I wanna tell people, everybody at some point in time was an all-state, all-conference, all-American, all this, all that. What's going to set you apart? Now, I'm just saying, Ocho, just because you were all this, all that, that doesn't mean you're gonna be great in the NFL.

Just because you study film doesn't mean you're gonna be great in the NFL. But I needed, you need every advantage that you possibly can get, because this is a game of inches. In it, you being open like you was open in college, that issue ain't gonna happen. Uh-uh, unless it's a busted coverage, it ain't happen.

Yes, yes. So this notion that, you know what, hey, I'm so gifted and you know what? A lot of the DBs that you probably went against. Yeah, they might not be playing on Sunday on Sunday. Yeah. But the guys you're about to go against, all of them go play on Sunday. Every last one of them. Yeah. I'm just a firm believer, Ocho, especially.

And you know how this let me ask you a question. Yeah, those 32 general managers those head coaches I want you to tell the people at home what you think they thinking do they forget what me and you think it's a big deal Right. Do you think general managers and coaches? Do you think they think it's a big deal? Yeah, you know they think it's a big deal because they want you to do everything right They want you to do everything right all the things necessary as far as preparation and being ready, not just for game day, but just for practice. How well do you know your opponent?

There's only one way to do that. That's through film study. But again, you know what happened? I think he's gonna be a gym. Wherever he fall to, it's gonna be a gym. And if anything, if he does fall in a draft or maybe something like this, if he does fall in a draft, going to be a gem. And if anything, if he does fall in the draft or maybe something like this, if he does fall in the draft, there might be a team, I hope he falls us because

we can use him. But you know, at the end of the day, it's something I wouldn't have said. It's something you wouldn't have said. You live and you learn. Hell no. You live and you learn and he'll become a little bit more media savvy with the way he conducts himself when it comes to answering questions. I don't get why you would ever put something that was gonna, in every stretch of the imagination,

that's like a defense or office line with saying I don't like lifting weights. How? Fool them. These kids just like say anything and what has happened is that in today's society, oh, people want to be themselves and then get paid on somebody else's job. How that work, Ocho? You hear people all the time, why I can't be me?

Because that's not your job. You not paying you. When you work for your own self, me if I wanted to show up late, I'll show you I could. I own the company. But how's that gonna look? Right. You have to set the example. I have a level of expectation, be on time.

I don't have a whole lot of rules. You be on time. That's really the only rule that I have. Ooh, I got a level of expectation, be on time. I don't have a whole lot of rules. Right. Just be on time. That's really the only rule that I have. Oh, I got a great one too. Let me think about this now. If I'm not mistaken, at the Patrick Mahomes second year, was it the second year he said he didn't watch film?

No. And was he still great? He said he didn't understand what he was looking at. What he was looking at, okay. Yeah. No, he. Hey, wait, that's the same goddamn thing. You watching it, but don't understand

what the hell you watching, but you still going out there cutting the food. It wasn't until like, because he was, it first year he didn't start. It wasn't until he got with somebody that understood and says, okay, look at this. Yeah. This is gonna be your keys.

Cause a lot of the, oh, I went to an HBCU, I ain't no, hey, we ain't watching no film. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah. This is going to be your keys. Because a lot of the, I went to an HBCU, I didn't know, hey, we ain't watching no film. I ain't going to lie. Right. I ain't going to lie. I ain't watching no film. Because in black college, that's why if you get a corner out of black college, that's why they used to go to black college

and get them, because what could they play? Man coverage. It wasn't no cover, too. It wasn't none of that stuff. It was man. Lock up. Oh, man. Lock up't no cover too. It wasn't none of that stuff. It was man. Lock up. Oh man. Lock up, yeah.

Yes. So me, I would beat man coverage. So, Ocho, they go out there running zone. Hell, I'm booking it. No, no, son, no, no, son, stop. Oh man. He ain't got me. That's funny.

Then I started now, all of a sudden, Ocho, I'm like, oh man, I like this. Oh, this is cheating. You gave me the answer to the test. Right. I know you're gonna run a couple of coverages that you haven't shown me, but for the most part, you gonna be true to who you are.

Always. I mean, every once in a while, I was just watching a deer on IG with eating a rabbit. A deer? Yeah. Deers don't even eat rabbits. Wait. See? Every once in a while,

he show you something you hadn't seen before. So I'm saying the cover once in a while, Lord Joe, you gonna show me a coverage I ain't seen before. Right. Hey, the current once in a while, I told you you gonna show me a coverage, I ain't seen before. Right. Hey, that might've been AI you was watching too. No, that wasn't AI. Hey, hey, animal get hungry enough just like you,

you get hungry enough, you eat whatever. I eat whatever when I'm not hungry, but go ahead. We already know you eat whatever. Yeah. But I just said, chat, it's just me. I just don't understand why you would ever say that publicly. Everything that you think, people can think a thought is not a crime, a thought is not anything bad. It's the act. It's the once you say it, why would you say that publicly and you're less than a month away from the draft. So what do you think the people that's drafted you

looking to put millions of dollars in your pocket? Nah, man. I can't. That's just like, hey, there are some, oh Joe, there are some people that's naturally gifted that didn't have to study for tests and they were good at it. Yeah.

But guess what? Them numbers of them words on the page ain't moving. When them guys try to put their hand around your neck and choke your ass out. Now you know, now you know he gonna get tested. First of all, he a first round pick. We gotta test you regardless. Oh yeah.

Cause I gotta see what's all the hype about. I need to see why you a first round pick. I need to see. Absolutely. I got to see. Whatever you come in with your resume, Heisman, Balitnikov, Thorpe, Nagursky, Outland. I don't know what you want.

But if you got one of them awards, if you a first round pick, you a high draft pick, let me see what they talking about, man. Oh, we gonna put you to the test, Ocho, you know that. Every time. We gonna put you to the test. Especially when everybody come together, is it a mini camp?

No, OTAs. OTAs a mini camp, no OTAs? OTAs, yeah. Yeah, OTAs. Because you know, they're gonna have the draft, so probably like the first week in May. Yeah, you got rookie mini camp. But it might be just all rookies, it might just be a rookie mini camp.

Yeah, it's always rookie camp first. You know, like rookie and first year players, not the high draft pick, but the guys that, you know, guys that were on the practice squad, cause you know, there are a couple of guys that were on the practice squad, they need to get a whole lot of playing time, those would be the guys that are you know, guys that were on the practice squad, because you know there are a couple of guys that were on the practice squad, Lil' Joe, that need to get a whole lot of playing time. Those would be the guys that are required to be in.

All the draft picks, the undrafted free agents that they brought in, they're going to bring some undrafted players in to take a look at them and see what they got going on and see if they could potentially be camp bodies or could possibly make a squad. Right. But... Mm-mm. I don't know why he said that, bro. Yeah.

Damn. But bro, I wish you the best. I can't do nothing but wish you the best. If that's your MO and it's gotten you that far, hey. Listen, it's gotten him this far, it's gonna change though. He'll understand that. They'll explain that to him.

And I don't think it would really, I don't think it would hurt in draft stock because if they want him bad enough and there's a spot for him based on what they seen on film during his collegiate career, they'll get him in there and fix the situation. Now, if you come in here, you're not going to do this. This is what you're not going to do when you come here.

Your best players are your hardest workers. That's when you get a Michael Jordan, you get a Kobe, you get a LeBron, you get a Brady, you get a Peyton Manning, you get an Adrian Peterson, you get a Ray Lewis. That's what you get. You get a Jamar Chase, that's what you get. Guys that are mentally talented, work extremely hard. Go to extra mile to be great, because it's just not good enough. I

don't want to be good. I want to be great. Yeah, I'm trying to be transcendent and historically great. Because when I'm done, I want you to talk about me. When I'm done, I want you to talk about me. When I'm done, I want you to say, this guy, you know what this guy reminds me of? He reminds me of Jamar Chase. This guy reminds me of Ray Lewis. This guy reminds me of Lawrence Taylor or Reggie White or Tom Brady. That's what you want.

Let me say, some guys, I played in NFL five, six, seven years. I played 10 years, Google made me a nice salary. Got a pool, I did what I wanted to do. It all depends on the individual. What do you want your legacy to be in a given sport? I mean, some people, oh, you know, some people just like anything, some people find, hey, being on a job,

collecting a check, that's it. Hey, I'm gonna work in the same position. I don't wanna move up, because more responsibility come when you move up, Ojo. I like this right here. I come in, put my eight, nine hours in, go home. Yeah. Nah, hell nah.

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