Club Shay Shay - Unc WARNS Caleb Williams of DRAMA + Brock Purdy gets PAID!

Episode Date: July 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Caleb Williams shifting focus from off-field drama to winning, Tyreek Hill’s viral Top 10 Quarterbacks list, and Brock Purdy landing a massive $265 million contract. 41:12 - Darius slay disses Jalen Hurts 47:36 - Bruce Arians on why Anthony Richardson should have stayed in school 58:06 - Will this finally be the season Lamar Jackson gets to the Super Bowl? 1:06:29 - Unc tells Caleb Williams to win and drama will go away 1:15:30 - Tyreek Hill’s Top 10 QB list 1:26:45 - Brock Purdy worth the $265 million?!?!   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Steve Weisch, Kevin Harlan, and more for a look at football's best since the turn of the century. Listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Everything will work itself out. Darius Slay does not consider Jalen Hurts one of the league's top quarterbacks. Let's take a listen to what Slay had to say about his quarterback, Jalen Hurts.

The league goes to the top four guys. You know what I'm saying? That's how I do elites. And like elite for me in the quarterback world is Joe Borrow, Mahomes, Dang, Lamar, Yeah. And Josh Allen. Them little elites, they got their own, you know what I'm saying?

You put Joe, you put Hurtz Now, in that group. This is funny. Now, I just I just talked about this on first take, you put a hurt. Now in that group, this is funny. Now I just, I just talked about this, uh, on, on, on first tape, you know, when I, when I did my, I didn't say elite, just the best quarterbacks right now in the NFL. I, I went Patrick, my homes. Yeah. Then I went Jaylen hurts simply because he just kept being just coming off a suitable. In my third hour, I put Joe and I saw people upset

about that. I'm basing it off the season that we just that that would just play. And obviously, people would be like, why would you put why would you put Joe at Joe third because I'm a bit go ahead. I want to hear I want to hear what you got to say with this. I'm biased normally or how it should be based off the season. It should be Patrick Mahomes Jalen hurts

Josh Allen Lamar Jackson, then Joe Burrow Am I correct or am I wrong? I Think I think he's looking at it like this, right if I took Josh Allen and put it with the Eagles Are they worse than they are with Jalen Hurts? Oh, they're better If I take your burrow and put it with the even If I if I put if I put Joe burrow Are they better or worse if I put Lamar Jackson? I gave him the exact same team. He has say Kwan He has that defense. He has those receivers.

If I put Patrick Mahomes, they got that same running back. They got that same receiver. They say at that same defense now I take Jalen Hurts and I put the I put him in any of those other guys system What you thinking What do you think? It'd be completely different. It'd be different. Because in those other systems, those guys are asked to do things that Jaylen Hurst doesn't have to do with the Eagles. Agree. The problem is, Ocho,

is that the ring culture has ruined it. Yeah. Because we take a guy, okay, Joe Flacco got a ring. So now people believe that Joe Flacco is a better quarterback than Josh Allen, than Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, or anybody that did, and I just don't believe that. I mean, I don't believe Nick Foles. Nick Foles is a super bowl MVP. Nick Foles isn't a better quarterback than Lamar.

He's not. He's not a better quarterback than Joe Burrow. He's not a better quarterback than Josh Allen. He's not. He's not a better quarterback than Dan Marino. He's not. But because we've equated rings best. No, not the way it goes. I don't. That's not

how I do it. I don't. Now, if you're talking about when we're talking about great, I believe you can be great without having a ring. Where rings come into effect Ocho is when you're talking about EST, greatest, but it's not the end all be all because now you have to add other things. All-MBA, all-pro, all-star, pro bowl. You know what I'm saying Ocho? Things of that nature. Offensive player of the year, defensive player of the year. Things of that nature. Did you play? How did you play? How long did you play? And how great were you? I mean look, it's

hard to take a situation like, guy was great from start to finish. Tom Brady was not great his first year. Peyton Manning was not great his first year. But boy, those years in between the first and the last, they tore a lot of people's ass up. So that's just me. Look everybody everybody has everybody has their opinion on how they judge greatness Okay, this is so subjective that's your opinion I look at it one way That's just me Dare slay also named re blankenshit as a the natural leader of the second There's just laid apart read being around me and a lot of veterans before Derrick Slay also named Reed Blankenship as the natural leader of the secondary, just slayed the part. Reed being around me and a lot of veterans before,

I'm sure he can lead that group the right way. That's who I feel would be leading the group. If it ain't in the building, he's a great damn leader. TJ Gardner Johnson saw this responding, vet's presence is always needed. Don't get me wrong, but bro, what vet is needed when young guys can hold their own? Q Coupe, you got a crazy duo in read and me and supporting cast Ringo, Za, Dre, Sam, Eli, Sidney, Tristan. Stay with the youth, you ask me.

I mean, I agree, a veteran presence is always good to have, especially in certain circumstances. Having that experience is a good thing. I think it's a good thing. And it's one way for the young bucks to learn. I don't see it as a bad thing at all. Are they arguing going back and forth on Twitter? Yeah, I think he said that, I think CJ thought Slay would say he should be the leader. I ain't good at that. Last vet that replaced me helped y'all get to the door

or in the wild card round. Remember that? If we need a vet that played a lot to help us, sheesh, didn't learn from the last mistake. Not a crash out, just keep it real. He felt some type of way because Slay didn't say he should. Oh, Joe, Bruce, Bruce Arion, regarded as the quarterback whisperer spoke about Anthony Richardson.

He said, Anthony, I think needed two more years in college as a passer. I didn't see him as being able to beat anybody in two minutes in third down if you can't do that in the NFL You're just an average guy Yeah, right. He's right. I have you got third. Oh Joe you make your money on third down every time Listen you hope you hope to make your hey on first to make second and third a little easier Yes If you don't the better the passer you are, the more easy it is to convert those third downs.

Now, obviously I think the repetitions, obviously being in college would have helped him tremendously. If you look at the numbers, I don't have the numbers in front of me, so I don't want to state and be wrong statistically, but he didn't play that many games in college, huh? That's why he said he shouldn't, and he wasn't a high completion percentage guy in college.

So we're not playing a whole lot. And I get why he came out, Ocho. Yeah. The guy has a top five pick. Oh yeah. He got 20 plus, 25 million dollars probably, fully guaranteed. They ain't paying that in NIL and collective.

So I get why. I get why. You get why. His family gets why. I get why, you get why. His family gets why. Because at the end of the day, why are we doing this, Ocho? We're trying to set our families up. That's how we, that's how I'm not saying all, let me take that back, Ocho.

There's no such thing as all or every, but a lot of us, what we do this for is for our family. We're trying to get to the bag as soon as we possibly can because everybody didn't grow up like a Grant Hill that had a two parent or the Mannings or the Watts. So we grew up in a situation, a lot of times it's grandma, a lot of times it's mom, and we trying to get there

to get them out of that situation. So I get why he did it. But what Bruce has said, and I totally agree, he could have gotten a lot more by staying and getting better at his craft. But at the end of the day, in the two minute drill and on third down is as a quarterback, where you make your money. You got to have it. You got to have it. But who's to say, there are a lot of quarterbacks in NFL that have made it, that have stayed for four years, that have been there for a long time,

that have struggled in those same situations and can burn third downs. So just to say- That's why you, what he, his big message is also Ochoa. Too many drill, third down, if you can't do that, you're average. So he's not saying that,

he believed that he would have been better. Look at BA's record, Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck. He worked with Big Ben Robertsburger. Yes sir, yes sir. Had all those guys in the early stages. He worked with, he had Carson. If I'm not, I think he had Carson. Yeah. In Arizona, didn't he?

In Arizona, yeah. Okay, so he knows something about the quarterback position. I like BA, BA gonna tell you like it is, ain't no sugarcoat with BA now. Yeah, yeah, more definitely. If it comes up, it's coming out. Yeah, it was also one of the issues over there in Tampa now, remember?

Yeah, absolutely. That's why they send his ass upstairs. Absolutely. So I believe, because here's the thing, Ocho. He's a 50, he was a 50, maybe a 50% completion guy in college. If you're 50% in college. 50?

He's 46. Put it like this here. He had a worse completion percentage than Tebow in the NFL. And you know Tebow was 47%. It was worse than Tebow's. So you're not gonna be successful. Ocho, with the way the field is spaced now, the way they protect the quarterback,

the way they protect the receivers, everybody should be completing 60%. Yeah. Yeah, actually you should. To me, I'm not saying the game is easy, but they made the offense of the game much easier. Yes, and so that's why the quarterback- Especially with the way defenders and defense are handicapped.

So now it used to be, if you completed in the high fifties, boy, you had a hell of a season. Oh yeah. You had a hell of a season. Nineties, when I got to the league, and even before, Ocho, if you threw for 3000 yards was the standard. If you threw for 3000 yards,

because everybody ran to football. That's why many believe Dan Marino still has the greatest statistical passing season, even though they passed him for yards, they passed him for touchdowns. He threw for 40, uh, for 5,000 yards and 48 touchdowns in that era. The running era. Yeah. Yeah. Dupre and Clayton was eating, boy.

Boy, did you know what they did? Look, I came in when they, they knocked, they knocked your ass off. There was no part of the quarterback that was off limits. The only thing you couldn't hit him at the bottom of his feet, and that's because he was standing on him. Other than that, oh, Joe. From the top of the head to the top of your feet.

You remember I sent you that clip what Charles Martin did to Jim McMahon? He was just standing there and he looked around like, oh, I got you. What? Oh, that was commonplace. Go back and look, Bruce Smith jumps off sides. That's what they call,

un-evaded to the quarterback. Bruce jumped off sides, knocked Boomer Souths and out. Of the game? For like weeks. Not just the game, for weeks. It was anything goes. Anything.

And so they made it easier. So for a quarterback to be in the forties. Right. Lord. Man. That's bad. It's Elcho. He's got to get up to the mid fift man. That's bad. It's outro.

He's got to get up to the mid fifties. He's got to get it up to the mid fifties. Oh, Joe. I have a question. Yes. Finger quarterback struggling to have a high percentage or high completion percentage. Do you think this because of his support in the cast around him is not good enough? Man, he got some.

Hey, you see what he got them receivers. He got he got Jonathan Taylor in the back. We forgot to mention Jonathan Taylor. We didn't mention him on choke. And honestly, having Jonathan Taylor back there, it should make anything having to do with the passer game that much effing easier. Yes.

Cause I know they got, I know they got to say, I know they got a safety in the box. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely. And you got Pittman, they got Pittman. They got another receiver too that's really good. They got, I forget his name though. Hey, number 10, number 10.

Yes, yes. Oh my God. Hey, Chad, who? Oh my, hey, I apologize. I apologize for the disrespect, but young bull, whoever wears number 10, I forget your name. Boy, I'm telling you here out of my mouth,

boy, you is the real deal, boy. You the real deal. And I apologize if I don't remember your name. Boy, I'm telling you here out of my mouth. Boy, you is the real deal, boy. You the real deal. And I apologize if I don't remember your name. Boy, young boy, you're the real deal, boy. Oh yeah. What's his last name, Monk? Okay, okay. Oh, man.

They got Michael Pittman Jr. What's the other receiver? Alex Pierce. Oh, that's Alex? Alex Pierce. That's number 10 name, Alex Pierce? Oh, that's number 10 name Alex. They got that Josh Downs, Alec Pierce, Michael Pittman Jr. I think the tight end is more Ali Cox and they got Jonathan Taylor and they had a Braden Smith took some time away. He was dealing with some dealing with some things, but they got a nice offensive line.

Yeah, there's there's no reason, there's none for him to be completing less than 50% of his passes. Cause he missed a lot of throws, Ocho. And I say, bro, you don't have to throw everything through the eye of a hurricane. You gotta touch, you gotta touch. You gotta have some finesse to your game. You gotta have some finesse.

I'm trying to think what quarterback is labeled of having a very- Mitchell, Mitchell. Mitchell is number 10, Ocho. Mitchell, hey, you don't know his first name? Added Mitchell? Yeah. Whatever it is, he can cook.

Hey, he be cooking. Hey, Brother Mitchell, I apologize. I will never forget your name again, but I'm gonna tell you one thing. But I'm gonna give you a- They got some nice receivers over there, Ocho. I'm talking about nice. Nice.

And I would- There's no reason for him- I would be proud that Mitchell has a bigger role coming this season. There's no reason for him to be completing 46% of his passes. Yeah. With that type of receiving core,

with that offensive line, and with Jonathan Taylor in your backfield. Well, listen, he might be better this year. You never know. You have a whole off season to work on things, work on the things you need to work on. Going into having another mini camp, another training camp up under your belt,

you know, familiarity with the system you're in. I think in hoping, hoping this year he plays- Got to put the time in. Yeah, you got to. I'm hoping he plays with a lot more confidence and he'll be fine. Got to put the time in. Yeah. Got to put the time in.

And if he does that, remember we had, we had Pittman on. Yeah. Who else, we talked to some people like, like bro, he can't be the first, you can't be the, the last one in and the first one to leave. It's gotta be the first, it's gotta be first, reverse. The first one in, the last one to leave. Not the last first, first last.

But hopefully he gets it figured out, because like I said, I think they got it. Look, that's a very competitive division. You got Houston. CJ Shroud. Houston go be, you got Lawrence. You about to have Cam Ward in that division. Because look, if you go back and study it,

Ocho, look at it. It's a quarterback league. Look at the NFC East. Look at the, look at the AFC, look at the AFC West, what they have in the West. Look at these divisions. That'll tell you who's winning it. Yeah, yeah. Quarterbacks, because that's what you got to compete against.

I know they're not on the field at the same time, but you have to match him. You can't like, oh, our defense gonna hold him. If I throw for 170 yards, we're gonna, no. You might win one or two games like that, but you're gonna have to match that production. Every time. So hopefully AR gets this thing figured out

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So who made the list? You know, Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes? Mahomes is into the end zone! Touchdown Kansas City! He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson? Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dart back and forth. Oh, he broke his ankles and he's got a touchdown. He is Houdini.

You are going to have to listen to find out, listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Joe, this is that now we in your realm. Lamar Jackson is now the only AFC starting quarterback without a Super Bowl appearance. AFC North, yeah. Aaron Rodgers, he beat the Steelers in Super Bowl 35. Well, I'm not saying, but he beat the Steelers. So he's been the one. Joe Burrows been the one.

We know Flacco has been the one. Lamar Jackson has not. Is, will this be the season that Lamar Jackson gets to a Super Bowl? You know, I don't know if it's going to be the season, but he will get that before he's done playing. I know that much. The AFC North is so unpredictable, especially with the Bengals. I'm not sure how they will start off this season

You can kind of count you can't account the Ravens and the Ravens and being in every every season as long as Lamar Jackson is there Regardless of what pieces he has around him Him alone can get them to the playoffs by by himself and then support as is always always been phenomenal And but you always know Lamar Jackson is going to give you this. It's like when you, when you watch, when you watch the honest play on, like I said, he can get 30 and you watch SGA play. You don't get that 30. That's the same way that Mark Jackson is.

That's why he gets paid the big bucks. Um, as far as the super bowl is concerned, I'm not sure if it will be this year, but if it is this year, it will be because they go to the playoff games each week and they have no effing turnovers. No turnovers. That's the only reason that kept them out. Because they went like nine weeks in the regular season and didn't have a turnover, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. And you get to the biggest game where it matters most and you turn it over twice. And then you still almost had an opportunity to come back and win. And then you still almost had an opportunity to come back and win. But that's what it comes down to, you know.

So I'm excited for him. Even as a bangle man, I'm excited for Lamar in general, you know, to take my bangle stardom, you know, I can put that aside and actually root for the young bull man to want to see him do well. You mean fandom? Yeah, but we good to see it. Stardom. That's what I said. Oh my well. You mean fandom? Yeah, but we're good, just saying. It's stardom. Oh my bad, I meant fandom, yeah.

We know what you mean, that's Ocho, that's Ocho talking, y'all. Leave him, give him a break, that's Ocho. Yeah, I just, I would just want to see him do well. Joe, what you think, this the year? I think so. You know, they went on a great run, I thought, this past NFL season.

And for me, I feel like they got everything in their toolbox as far as defense, offensively, their high power, offensive machine. And I can see it happening. I can see it happening. You just need to get the one Ocho. That's it. Get that monkey off your back. He need to win it.

He need to win it. I mean, he too good. He's too good. I mean, look at him. He could easily be a three time league MVP Ocho. Yeah. He's got to. Yeah.

They cheated him. Look, I think this was like the second or third time this ever happened. A guy that, cause normally the guy that, the quarterback that goes to the, that is the all pro, he normally wins the MVP. 87, it happened with Joe Montana. Joe Montana was the first team all pro quarterback.

John Elway won the MVP. Did it happen another year? I think it happened two or three times. This was the, this was the second or the third time that it's happened. I know it happened two or three times. This was the second or the third time that it's happened. I know it happened in 87. 87 was the strike year. That was my sophomore year in college.

I remember that. So you saying he just need to get there? If he get there and play well, you know we like, well, you know what, damn. Ain't nothing else he can do. It's kind of like when Tom lost to, when he lost to the Eagles, he threw for 500 yards. Yeah.

They was like, well, he didn't stop anybody. He just needs, he needs to get there. Let him get there. Then I worry about whether he plays well or not. I just want him to get there. That's all I want. I just want to, I don't want, I want to see him on that big stage.

That's a hell of a division, A.A. And that's a gauntlet, boy. Hell yeah. And you think about it. You still got, because at AFC you got Joe Burrow, and you got him in the same division. You still got Mahone, boy, and you got Josh Allen. And now you just got Aaron Rodgers in there. You don't know what Aaron Rodgers in there.

You don't know what Aaron Rodgers you gonna get. You ain't gonna get the Aaron Rodgers of old, but you're gonna get glimpses and then hot flashes of what he used to be. And that ain't just enough to get him still as fans, hope and the organization in general, which is why they waited on his ass. Four time Pro Bowl running back Nick Chubb is expected to sign a one year deal with the Houston Texans.

The signing is contingent on Chubb passing a physical. The former Cleveland Brown running back would join the Texas running rushing attack led by Pro Bowl rusher Joe Mixon, Damian Pierce, Derrick Agumbunwale, and fourth round pick Woody Marks out of USC. Ocho, you like this? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I do.

I like it. I like it. I mean, I'm not. Does it take away some of some of the carries away from from Joe? I'm not I'm not sure how that's how that's going to work. I'm sure they'll find a way. They'll find a way to make it work. I don't think with Joe being a number one runner back and bringing in another one, number, another-

I just fell in some, I mean, look, you still got Damian Pierce there, you got Oom Goom, or Goomba Wally. Yeah. Fourth round pick of Woody Marks. There ain't no guarantee he gonna make the team, Ocho. Ooh. Mick, Chubb.

Man, stop playing, man. Come on, man, don't do that. What you mean ain't no guarantee? Hey, I just seen Chubb squad in 750 pounds last time. It ain't a powerlifting meet. Hey, listen, he's a power runner and he always has been. Ain't nothing pretty about him. And when you look at Nick Chubb, when you're walking dress,

you know, in the locker room where they had the, they had a little mannequin on the wall. With all them pants. With the uniform on. That's Nick Chubb. That's how you run the ball. Well, listen, listen, he's a down here runner, man. He's really good.

He relies on his offensive line, you know, to get him going. And I don't know. I just, I don't really like that move of having two number ones or two really, really good running backs on the team like that. I mean, it's similar, but it's two of the same type of backs. I can see if you had something like a Jemarie Gibbs and a David Montgomery, but you got two of the same things in the backfield, really. Or maybe I could be wrong.

They are. Maybe I could be wrong. But Mixon catches the ball a little more. He's a little more shifty. He's not really the same type. Joe Mixon is kind of more like a Damon Pierce. He's more of a power run. I don't really know Woody Marks.

So I don't really know a whole lot about him. So I can't speak to that. But Joe got a little bit more wiggle, little bit more twitch to it than the Chubb. Chubb is all power. When you squat 600, 700 pounds, you a power runner. Yeah. I mean, hell, I was doing that in high school. I mean, so,

damn. All right, that's a nice little combo back there though. Nice little combo. Big fella. Ocho still ain't pay me my money Titus. What you talking about that? Man, when I get back to Atlanta, I'm gonna put my big boy on the screen. They look exactly like that black mask. mask, black mask with that tan coat,

exactly alike. Joe, where you at, Joe? I'm in Detroit. Okay, okay, okay, okay. We got, I'm out here with my big three team, Detroit Amps. We're doing a little mini training camp before we take off to Chicago this upcoming weekend and playing our first game.

So, look. Okay, okay, it's on TV? Oh yeah, it's gonna be on CBS, baby. You already know, prime time, stop playing. Oh y'all got money, boy. I'm gonna be tuning in now. Come on now, come on now, yeah. Chicago Bears head coach Ben Johnson

is already tweaking Caleb Williams' mechanic issue. The second year quarterback has adjusted his stance and is keep his left foot forward before the snap. Ben Johnson said, I've done it a number of ways in my time in the league and really over the last few years. I kind of gravitated towards that. It's something that I feel pretty strongly about. He and I talked about it, the reason why we want to do it. I think it helps

out certainly with the quick game from the gun and it helps us being a little bit better of throwing our posture for like a lot of other things that we're asking him to do. Ojo, do you like this? And do you expect big things from Caleb Williams in 2025? I absolutely do expect big things from Caleb Williams, understanding how good he is already. Tremendous athleticism, he has a very strong arm and he's a dual threat quarterback with the addition of Ben Johnson and the creativity that he's able to bring to that offense. And what Caleb can do, I think it's going to be that much better for them offensively.

I'm excited. I'm excited for him. The little twists and nuances that he's changing in Caleb's game is really interesting, probably allowing Caleb to get to it, get to it and drop a little faster, being able to process information especially in the quick game. And I think it's going to help him in the long run. People that might not like Caleb Williams for personal reasons, based on what he'd like to do and enjoy off the field.

I think, I think it's because of what he said, how, and his dad said they didn't want to go to Chicago. I think people are still holding that against it. Yeah. Well, that just came out before they didn't came out. Just some of the things he did when he was at USC and some of the, you know, the paint and the nails and all. They, they, I mean, listen, just personal stuff like that outside of what just came out. Um, I think they're going to be all right.

I think they're going to be all right simply because of not only the support and Cassie has around, but getting a coach, a winning coach, like Ben Johnson there is going to, is going to do wonders for him. Yeah. The physical help us win more games, hell, I'll pay for it to get a painting. I'll pay for it to get a manicure. Right.

All I'm trying to do is win games. I don't care about what somebody else do. They ain't got nothing to do with me, Ocho. Him painting his nails, painting his toenails. He want to dye his hair pink, green, blue, have a blonde streak. I don't give a D. You a football player,

you're the quarterback of the team, distribute the football. That's it. You will have more positive than negative, and we good. All that other stuff, man. I'm telling you, guys don't care. Guys wanna win. So what's somebody doing in their spare time?

As on them. What I mean? That mean my hands? Why I care? You right. Hey, just be a good teammate. I did. Let's come in here.

Hey. It work. Where you from, what you did, okay. That's why it's so hard to win a championship in football. Cause you got so many guys from so many different backgrounds and you ask them to do one thing, come together and make a fabulous dish. That's what you're asking.

But I think Caleb is going to do really well. They revamped his offensive line. They signed Joe Thune. They got the guy from, they got a guy from the center from the Falcons I think. They got an offensive lineman from the Chargers. They've done a great job. In the Roman doomsday, DJ Moore,

they got the tight end drafted him first in the first round from Michigan, paired with Cole Comet. They got nice running game. Think defensively they're gonna be good. Offensively they're gonna be much better. So with the offense being much better, I think you take some of the pressure off the defense.

And the best way to help a defense that's not very good is to keep their ass off the field. The offense, you stay on the field for the extended period of time. And we don't let them get on the field. The bad things happen when they get on the field. But I think Caleb Williams is gonna be really, really good this year.

I think Ben Johnson, go ahead Osho. I know I'm giving you say he's gonna take a huge leap. I think so too. Huge leap and gonna surprise a lot of people. Every year there's always a team. And to me, I think the Bears might be that team. Every year the same teams are always in contention. Always in contention.

Now I understand the division they playing, Packers, you know, I understand that. Packers, Lions, and the Vikes. I understand that, but I think they're going to be that team that takes that leap this year that surprises everybody. I think the thing is, Ocho, they're going to have to. In order for them to make the playoffs,

you got the Lions, you got the Packers, you got the Vikes. The Lions lost what? One game, maybe two games. The Vikings lost what? Two games, maybe three games. The Packers were 10 and seven. So you're looking to probably have to go 10 and seven, 11 and six just to make the playoffs.

The Lions might take a step back, but from the offensive play call the situation, but I think they're going to be just as good. Are they 15? Are they going to be 15 and two? Maybe not. Maybe not. But it's hard for them stepping off a cliff and all of a sudden they went 15 games and dropped down to 10.

I think they get some of those guys on the defensive side back healthy. Offensively, they still gonna be able to put a point. Jameer Gibbs is special. Armand Ross, St. Brown, Jamison Williams. That goddamn Brian, that Brian Branch, what? Hey, he is the real deal. They got Joseph, like I said, they just need to get some of those guys

that was injured last year, get those guys back. Back healthy, yeah. Get those guys back healthy. Aiden Hutchinson is coming back. Hutchinson, I just read, I think he's been cleared. He's a full goal now. I think the big D tackle of McNeil, I think he got injured, he should be able to go.

One of the linebackers got injured, he should be able to go. One of the linebackers got injured. He should be able to go. You know, they had a lot of guys on injured reserve last year. You know, we're not going to make an excuse to give Washington credit. Washington went in there, took it to him. They scored. They did a great job of taking the ball away

from Jerry Goff. The one thing that, you know, we know about Goff, he has the ability to throw you five touchdowns, but he can throw five interceptions too. And, you know, he had, he picked the worst time to have probably his worst game, his second worst game of the season. The worst game was when he had in Houston, he threw five picks and they still won the game.

But this one, those turnovers, they didn't win the game. And so, yeah, but I definitely think Caleb Williams is going to have to take a huge step forward. I think he's going to take a huge step forward. I think he's going to take a huge step forward. You talk about a guy that has great improvisational skill, arm slots in which he can throw the ball from the three quarters to side to over the top. He can get the ball that quick. And, you know, he's changing his motion because sometimes we just want to, hey, just up and throw the football. Yeah.

Basically get a grip and let it grip. Nice. just up and throw the football. Basically get a grip and let it grip. So I'm anxious to see, I want him to do extremely well. I don't have a problem with what his dad did. His dad tried to put him in the best situation possible. He didn't think Chicago was the best situation possible. But I think Caleb realized that they're in a great situation. He had a great offensive mind coming in, a great head coach that's gonna be working lockstep with him

You can't you can't ask for anything more than that. Oh Joe just an opportunity to get coached coached really really well Good really good players around him now. You just go do your job. I believe that's what he's gonna do I believe I absolutely believe that's what he's gonna do You don't have the kind of production that he had at USC and you saw the flashes. You saw the flashes last year and what he can be. As a matter of fact, on Thanksgiving, they was down real bad.

Now, you know, situation, there was some miscommunication about, do we spike the ball or they let a lot of time run off it and stuff like that and he ended up getting sacked. But a lot of stuff that you chalk up as a rookie and but I don't think you see, I don't think we see those same mistakes this year. I'm excited to see what what the future holds for this young man because I think he can be special.

He's going to have to be because look at the quarterbacks in that division. Look at the teams in that division. And I'm sure Barry fans like, man, I wanna make the playoff. I want a chance to compete for a Super Bowl. And I believe he gives them the opportunity. We'll see what they're gonna be overall as a team, especially when it comes to the defensive side, because we see the improvement from a head coach standpoint,

from the offensive line, what they've redone that. Now it's going to come down to defensively. Are they going to be able to stop people? They got some good players back there. So I'm anxious to see what the Bears can do on this one. It's going to be a, the Bears going to, I think they're going to surprise some people out there.

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It's on your screen. He got two at number one, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen three, Dak Prescott four, Jerry Golf five, Brock Purdy six, Jayler hurt seven. Kirk cousins eight. Jane Daniels nine. Bow nicks 10. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Now what we need to talk about before you say anything. Tyree, when did you make this list? Because I see Kirk cousins on there and I'm not sure what point you made this list but it couldn't have been just now or recently. It couldn't have been. This is my favorite. I disregard everything he said because he got his quarterback to one.

Wait, you gotta put your question. If you got the number one quarterback in NFL, you trying to get up out of there? Oh, he ain't going nowhere. But do you say that? No, no. Okay. There. So that lets you know right there. His quarterback ain't going nowhere. But do you say that? No, no. Okay, then.

So that lets you know right there, his quarterback ain't number one. Now let's understand and remember his frustrations about doing cardio for three quarters and understand why he said that. And they put a camera in front of his face before he could calm down. Remember when we go to the rookie symposium, what they first need to tell you, if you're angry, don't go to the media, calm yourself down, take a deep breath, but no. Soon as the game ends, camera right in his face,

he's still upset. What does he say? He answers emotionally and says things he shouldn't say. Does he actually mean it at that time? Probably, but once he comes down and gets back in his right state of mind, God damn it, I shouldn't have said that because I really- The mere fact that even if you

The mere fact i'm talking about how bad even though when when when and we're going to talk about this Even when when trav wasn't getting targets you think travis wanted to leave patrick mahomes? Nah Now I the mere fact that he got one omission on that, I don't see the guy. Now, this guy in the last four years, five years, he's won three Subos, three Subo MVPs and two MVPs and he ain't on this list. And you mean to tell me you thought Kirk Cousins, you thought Bart Purdy, you thought Dak Prescott, you thought Tua had a better season and he had a bad season based on who he is.

And you think those guys had a better season than him? Listen, and that's what I'm talking about. I guarantee you this list isn't recent. I guarantee you it's not. I guarantee you it's not. You know? I mean we pulled it up for three years ago. Right, but I'm just saying unless this list was made. Bo Nicks is on the list. Bo Nix just got into the league this year. Yeah, but listen, that's what I'm trying to- Jay Daniel just got into the league this year. He made this list for this very specific reason, for us to be talking and engaging about his list, about said list.

Yes. I like it. I like it. I like, listen, I like everybody. I like everybody on there. I don't like the Kirk Cousins like I don't like the Kirk Cousins I like the Kirk Cousins based on the way you like that Prescott the guy missed ten games Yeah, like that what you talk about I'm not worried about him. I'm not talking about him missing the game

I like that we talk about body of work. We talk about resume not body Hey, don't don't listen don't don't just don't don't just don't don't don't disrespect that like that don't do that Hey, don't don't listen. Don't don't just don't don't just don't don't disrespect that like that. Don't do that. He He ain't got your guy. Hold on. You've been on me all year long about joe burrow Yeah, you know, you know reek ain't no bangles fan. He don't he don't even watch us He ain't no fan of nobody. He should be a fan. He should have he should have a uh, uh tour and snoop should have been number two Wait, who? The backup quarterback, Huntley. He, I mean, he's, you been, you like,

you been, you need to start like Joe. He ain't got Joe on there. Yeah, because this is his own personal preference on who he feels. We can't, we can't fault a man for putting up his preference on his opinion on who his top 10 is. Now, if we talk about quarterbacks, our top 10 is gonna look completely different.

His list, the moment he said Tua was better than Mahomes, we should have disregarded everything when it comes to quarterback to come out his mouth. So it's Nullen Boyd after that, huh? Yeah, yes, because that's so egregious. Oh, Tua, Tua mom and dad won't say Tua better than Mahome Boyd. dad won't say two is better than my homeboy. You won't find nobody in Miami.

Put it like this here. If your fan base would trade your quarterback for my homes, Lamar Baltimore ain't trading, Josh Allen, but everybody else on this list, guarantee you they would trade their quarterback for my home You think Dallas would take my homes over that? You think Atlanta would take him over Kirk cousins feeling would take him would take my homes over Jalen hurts Sam Fran would absolutely take him over Brock Purdy Detroit would absolutely take him. Oh I got I got one for you.

Who? Will the commanders take him over Jaden Daniels? Yeah, go ahead and think about that. Yeah. What? I would, yeah, hell yeah. The only two, well, only one Lamar. Because here's the thing

You would have to run the office. See the thing is Josh a dad. That's a drop-back Jericho drop-back. Well, he runs a very similar West Coast style system to what they run in San Francisco To what they run in Atlanta, so there ain't gonna be a whole lot ain't gonna be a whole lot of drop-off. Can you imagine my homeboy with Saquon behind him and AJ and Devontae? You remember when he had Tyreek and Sammy Watkins, right? Oh yeah. Okay. They were eating, but.

Okay. Okay. Can you imagine if he had Jalen Waddle, Ty Reek Hill, John New Smith and A-chan? That's nasty. Yeah, I don't see no Mahomes, I don't see no Joe Burrow and you got some guys on there Reek. We wish you well. Oh Joe.

Yeah. Peyton Manning says he believes the teams fail young quarterbacks by constantly changing coaches and system. It bothers me that Bryce Young is on his third play call it in two seasons. If you draft a guy commit to a system, learning an offense is like learning a new language. It's not fair. I agree. Yeah. But most definitely, but listen, you have to understand the owners are impatient. Yes. The owners are extremely impatient

because they're thinking every time we get a player, first round pick, we have to miraculously win right away all of a sudden. And that's not the way it works. Well, Jay Daniels and CJ Stroud mess it up though. Because you see what happened on the show? So everybody thinks that that's it's supposed to happen like that. But that's few and far between. And the pain didn't go. Elway didn't make it as rookie. They don't

like you go back and look at some of the greats and see their rookie season did not make the playoffs and they did not look good. Everybody's not gonna look like a Jane Daniels. Everybody's not gonna look like a CJ Stroud or an Andrew Luck or an RG3. And then, you know, Baker played really well this spring or Justin Herbert through 30 plus touchdowns. Every rookie is not gonna look like that. We've got to stop thinking, Ocho,

that everybody that comes out is ready made. Sometimes it's like a kid's toy. Some assembly is required. Everybody just wanted to open the package and just get the toy and just go, just get it in there. Yeah, it don't work like that. And sometimes we are spoiled by quarterback play that is extravagant in their. Yes. TJ shroud. Yeah.

People turn the franchise around one season. Jake Daniels turned the franchise around at the 30, 33 abysmal years in one season. Yes. What about like that come around every so often? Yes. And then also the other pieces to the puzzle got to be there too. It already had a solid foundation. All you needed was that centerpiece to smooth out the concrete. That's why it looks the way it does.

Yes. But but see, here's the thing. When you come from the business world, you can change a CEO and he might have an idea that like boom, or okay, you know what, Ocho, you know what, instead of the iPod, what if I do earbuds? What if I do a tablet? What if I do iPad?

So I can do things, I can have a create, but as a quarterback, you keep changing, you keep changing the play callers. He's learning an entirely different system. Every off season. How do you expect that man, look at it, look at the continuity. Even, even when Brady was losing coordinators, they was running the exact same place.

That was the same offense. That was the same offense That was the same offense Brent farm lost coordinators that was the same offense. That was the same You got to have continuity he needs to hear that It might be a different voice, but he needs that verbiage to be the same. Yeah. Yeah, you can put your spin on it. But that was Charlie White's offense that Bill O'Brien and Josh McDaniels, and then Josh McDaniels came and ran. And then for some reason,

Coach Belichick put two slappers in there that didn't know anything about offensive football and it messed it up. But Peyton is absolutely right. But the biggest mistake is that you judge, man, hey, man, you see how his old lady treat him? Well, I ain't got his old lady. Right. I got you. So I need to try to make this work with you.

Right. And I can't judge my relationship of what they doing over there, Ocho. So I need to try to make this work with you. Right. And I can't judge my relationship of what they doing over there. I don't know what he doing. He might be breaking on Hitler with that Louisville slugger. Hey, you know, I'm saying, oh, you got a number two pencil. So you can't do the damage that he do it. I'm just saying I agree with paying 1000%.

You know, kind of had a conversation with him about that. Is that the, everybody is so quick because they want instantaneous results. Instant gratification and it doesn't work. Is the lottery Ocho? Ocho, damn getting up and go to work. Let me go buy this lottery ticket and hit it. And hope, yeah, it don't work like that.

That lottery microwave society. Put everything in the microwave and cook it in two minutes. Yeah. And if you do, anytime you have instant gratification, it's always short lived. Always short lived.

49ers and Brock Purdy has agreed to terms on a five year, $265 million contract extension, including a $181 million in total guarantees. Highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL based on a year-to-year basis. Dak Prescott at $60 million. Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Jordan Love, and Trevor Lawrence at $55 million. Tua at $53.1 million. Brock Purdy, at 55 million. Uh, tour at 53.1 Brock Purdy, 53, Jerry golf. That's a good number.

Right where they have, right where they have them slotted is a good number for him. Yeah. I mean, you go, Oh Joe, you got to think about it. The man made 2.9 million over the first three years of his career. Now he'll get a check every, every week for 2.9 million. Listen, he, he deserved it. first three years of his career. Now he'll get a check every week for 2.9 million. Listen, he deserved it. Well deserved, well deserved. I didn't, I like Brett Purdy.

I just didn't view him at the tier one type quarterback. Had a superior supporting cast around him. You got Trent Williams, you had Debo, you had Brandon Iuke, you got Christian McCaff McCarthy in the backfield. How did you look once some of those pieces went away? It wasn't as pretty. It's all about, Ocho, when real estate, what is it about? It's about location, location, location. In the NFL, it's about position, position, position. He plays a premium position. No, A, he plays B, premium position.

And so you're like, man, that house ain't worth no $40 million. Maybe if it wasn't in Bel Air, you're right. But it's in Bel Air. It's absolutely worth $40 million. And if you want it, that's what you're gonna have to pay to get it. Well, a starting quarterback in the NFL that's gone to a Super Bowl,

he's gone to two NFC championships, he's won, that's what you're gonna have to pay to keep it. It's really, it's really, it's really that simple, Ochoa. You know, all that. Man, he ain't worth that. You work with somebody to pay for it. He plays very well in that offense and that's Shanahan Awkwes.

He plays very, very well. Look, actually he probably worked more because he saved Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch's job because they invested all that money in Trey Lance. They gave up all that draft capital to get Trey Lance. They took this man as Mr. Irrelevant in the last pick in the seventh round. Now, if you don't take him and to get Trey Lance. They took this man as Mr. Irrelevant in the last pick of the seventh round. Now, if you don't take him and you got Trey Lance

and you done moved on from Trey Lance, you gone. You gone. Hey, Uncle Ocho, are you, didn't he, didn't he, Terry's ACL? Terry's ACL last year. Debo gone, right? Debo, they, he was banned. Debo was in the club. Okay, so he got Kittles.

Who else, who else he, who else he throwing to? Brandon, Brandon, now you could be back. Juwan, Jenny. Ricky Purcell. Ricky Princeau. Ricky Purcell. Am I, you gonna be back already after ACL? No, yeah, ACL don't take that long. It don't take that long. Medicine different now, Joe.

Medicine different now. He did it real early, so he'll definitely be back. So he did it like in September, so October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June, July. Oh yeah. We got a few players coming back. We got Brandon Ayu coming back off ACL,

Stefan D coming back off ACL. And it seemed like they're recovering faster because obviously technology is a lot more advanced and the rehab and stuff that they do is a lot more advanced as opposed to before. So players are coming back faster than ever. Especially once you get over that mental block and understanding that you could trust your knee

and be comfortable cutting and moving. Oh man, that's, I mean, that's the hardest part right there. In just three seasons, he's passed for 9,518 yards, 64 touchdowns, four playoff wins, NFC championship and a Pro Bowl. So that's the going rate. CJ Stroud is up next.

Yeah. CJ Stroud up next, Uncle. Listen, he finoud is up next. Yeah. Yeah. CJ Stroud up next on Joe. Listen, he finna get the bag. Got the guap down. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, pretty soon you gonna have Jane Daniels and Caleb Williams, they gonna be coming down the pipe.

They finna set the mark. They finna have the quarterback out of control. Oh, they're gonna reset it. Yeah. Yeah, that's 60 million. I mean, uh, uh, uh, I mean, but Josh Allen got his whole contract guaranteed. Mm. 265, Ocho.

Hey. No, he got, we're tacked on, so it's like 330. Was that more than what was Dachon got? Dachon got 230 guaranteed. They got the same agent. No, Dachon had David Mugaleta. I don't know who Brock Purdy's agent is. David Mugaleta and I think all of them are athletes first, right? Who's Todd, who's uh, Brock?

Oh, yeah, I've never heard of them. Deshaun David Mugaleta is his agent. I think all of are the athletes first. I thought Todd France, who has DAC. Who? Look at CEO Todd France. I think he's at athletes first. Okay, Yeah. So, but yeah, I agree with you, Ocho. I think Brock Purdy was deserving, had earned this given what he had done, his resume, a Pro Bowl, a Super Bowl, NFC Championship game, he had been going to two NFC Championship games. Remember he tore his elbow, messed his elbow up like the first snap.

That was a playoff game, wasn't it? That was a playoff game. Yeah. Yeah, and the championship game, the NFC Championship game to the Eagles. So was. And so, yeah, he earned it. He earned this, he earned this big payday.

I like to see guys, and I like to see team reward the players. You play well, we're going to reward you. Don't do all that haggling. I hate that they haggle all other positions except the quarterback position. They never do the quarterback position like that. Ever.

Yeah. Ever. I hate that. Look man, hey, I understand that he's important, but I've done my job. I've gone to four Pro Bowls. I've been two or three times first team All-Pro. And now you want to haggle me.

They gonna always do it. They always. I'm trying to think who. So CJ is going to be up next year. As a matter of fact, if I'm the Ravens, I go ahead and do something with Lamar. What you mean? Sign him? Reset? I'm the Ravens, I go ahead and do something with Lamar. What'd you mean? Sign him?

Reese? I extend him, yeah, hell yeah. You gotta do it again. Probably sometime in the middle, I bet they do something in the middle of the season, watch. Either middle of the season or after the season. How many years he got left? Yep.

Shoot, he just signed that big one. He signed a five year two something. So Shoot, he just signed that big one. He signed a five year or two something. So what, he in? Is this third year into that? Second year? This is the second year to it. But you got certain people that's getting ready to overlap him and they ain't got no business.

Yeah, no, hey, what you see, we just named three, six, eight quarterbacks and we ain't mentioned Lamar. Lamar's about, I think Lamar's about 50. They ain't got no business overlapping young bull. Yeah. Damn. Excuse me, hold on.

I gotta use the bathroom real quick, hold on. Well, you better get him before he's, he best run him with a soup bowl cause now you have to pay him 70 million Lamar Yeah He has two MVPs only are the only guy on this list that has an MVP is Josh Allen So Lamar has to that doesn't have any Joe doesn't have any Joe has gone to the Super Bowl But he's the only one here in Brock Purdy that's on this list has gone to the Super Bowl

None of the other guys have even played in a championship game. Yeah, that's gonna be the separated for Lamar. If he can get him one, if he can win one, it's over. Man. It's definitely over if he can do that. When they got the back end break struck up.

Beep, beep. Yeah, oh, for sure. But they definitely have the team. You know, they re-signed, they re-signed, they didn have the team. You know, they resigned. They resigned. They didn't resign and they extended him. King Henry gave him 25 million, two-year extension, 25 million. They extended him. I like Rashad Bateman. I like the receiver core they got. They brought Andrews back. They brought Lively back. Likely, I feel likely. It brought him back. Look, the defense is gonna be solid again.

Offensive line is intact. Lamar is gonna be Lamar. So you know they're gonna be consistently, they're gonna be pretty good. They're gonna be there, yep. They just got, you know, the hardest thing is to break it through that wall the first time. Once you break through then all of a sudden

it's just like, it happens. But that's the hardest thing you see. Josh Allen hadn't broken through yet because seemingly when they have to go against my homeboy, only a handful of people have been able to stare him down in the, in the playoff game. And that's been Joe Burrow did it and Tom Brady did it. Brady beat him in the soup bowl once and

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