Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore - Missouri Snake Breeder Murder: The Ben Renick Story

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

In June 2017, Ben Renick, a 29 year-old Missouri snake breeder, was found dead inside his reptile barn. At first, rumors spread that one of his massive pythons had killed him. But the truth was far more chilling: Ben had been shot eight times.With shell casings on the floor, no stolen snakes, and conflicting alibis, the investigation into the Ben Renick murder case quickly turned toward someone close to him. As detectives uncovered financial strain, secret affairs, a million-dollar life insurance policy, and a jailhouse confession, the story only grew more shocking. In this episode of Clues, Morgan and Kaelyn break down the timeline, the evidence, and the courtroom twists behind one of Missouri’s most disturbing true crime cases. Head over to our Clues YouTube channel to WATCH this episode: https://www.youtube.com/@CluesPod If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow Clues to never miss a case! For Ad-free listening and early access to episodes, subscribe to Crime House+ on Apple Podcasts. Clues is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios.  🎧 Need More to Binge?  Listen to other Crime House Originals including Crime House 24/7, Crimes Of…, Serial Killers & Murderous Minds, Murder True Crime Stories and more wherever you get your podcasts! Follow us on Social YouTube: @CluesPod | @crimehousestudios Instagram: @cluespodcast | @Crimehouse TikTok: @Crimehouse Facebook: @crimehousestudios X: @crimehousemedia Clues is hosted by Morgan Absher & Kaelyn Moore  Instagram: @morgsyabsher | @itskaelynmoore TikTok: @twohottakes | @heartstartspounding Episode Sponsors: A year from today isn’t that far away. Get started now at https://www.HelloAlma.com/clues Right now, our listeners get an additional 15% off any annual membership at https://www.Masterclass.com/CLUES To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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until they started looking at clues and determined that it was anything but a normal attack. This case is full of money, it's full of secrets, it's full of betrayal, and today we're going to break down the clues that revealed what really happened inside of Ronex reptiles. Hi guys, welcome back to clues, where we sneak past the crime scene tape to explore the key evidence behind some of the most gripping true crime cases.

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So we talked about the case of Susan Powell. And in it, I mentioned that I wasn't a huge fan of children being interviewed by police for crimes. And that comes from this article I was reading about this woman. It was from the perspective of a mother wrestling with the idea of, do I allow my 10-year-old to testify in this crime where something horrible happened? How much is this going to ret traumatize him? Yeah. And ultimately, she decided to not let him testify. and they didn't press charges against the person who did something, which is, I can't even

imagine having to make that choice as a parent. But we got a really interesting comment from one of our listeners, Caitlin. She said, I work in child welfare and the kids were probably interviewed using techniques specific to interviewing children who have either been victims of abuse or neglect or have witnessed a crime. We have a child advocacy center here, and there are protocols for forensic interviews that allow the child to be interviewed once in a very comfortable setting that is audio and video recorded and can be used in court. The police district attorneys and other people like victim witness coordinators are in a separate room watching the interview and have the trained forensic interviewer ask all the questions they need. It's actually a great way for kids

to be able to tell their stories while also giving tons of information. They never ask leading questions and they let the kids set the pace. So I just thought that was so interesting. I love getting comments like that. It just shows how cool our community is and how much knowledge there is. It's kind of the whole reason we wanted that phone a scientist button, phone a lawyer button, because we're not lawyers, we're not psychologists, we only know what we know and the research we get into. So that's a really, really good comment. And just shows like they do take a lot of necessary steps to protect the kids and, you know, maybe to that little one, it's like I'm just getting babysat and having a good conversation in this odd living room with

some toys that aren't mine. Yeah, exactly, exactly, which is way better than some of the interrogations see with adults. The more you know. Thank you, Caitlin, for commenting that. I love that. Yeah, thank you for reaching out. Yeah, there's going to be a lot on today's case. I think we're going to need some comments on. Yes. Because we're diving into the world of reptiles, which we have our lovely snake friend here on set today. Yeah. But it is like this exotic world of like rare snakes and breeding for color and all of the chaos that ensued because of it essentially. Absolutely. So let's dive into it. And just a quick reminder, if you're watching this episode on YouTube, you're going to see some videos, some pictures, things that help you visualize the case. And if you're listening on

audio, you can check out our Instagram. That's at Clu's podcast, and you can see all those same pictures and videos. And just a warning before we begin, this episode does contain talks of suicide and alleged sexual violence and a warning to any of the Cluminati who have a fear of snakes. We're going to talk about them a lot. So please listen with care. And snake breeding and captivity, which I know some people are not fans. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I'm I mean, it's a very interesting conversation that I think we're all going to learn a lot from. This case starts on June 8, 2017, in Montgomery County, Missouri. At 6.36 p.m., a 29-year-old woman named Lindley Renick calls 911,

and we're going to play a clip for you here. At the sound of the call, she sounds of the call, she sounds. very distraved. Very, very upset. She says, through tears, quote, my husband's on the ground and there's blood everywhere. Linley tells the dispatcher that she doesn't know what happened to him. Then she hands off the phone to her husband's older brother, Sam. And he does seem to know because he says, quote, he got killed by a snake. He goes on to explain that the victim breeds and raises large snakes, with some of them weighing up to 200 pounds. So when deputies arrived from Montgomery County Sheriff's department. They're on high alert.

High alert, you guys. You're going to see some videos of them walking in. They're going in armed with shotguns. They think there's killer snakes in there or snakes that are loose that are capable of killing people. So the investigators make their way into this huge warehouse like barn. And there's rows and rows of caged live snakes, hundreds of snakes in this room. There's no time to check each tub and figure out which of the snakes are missing. Somewhere in there, there is a man who needs medical attention. And finally, they find him. See, towards the back of this massive building is a man who's lying face down in a pool of his own blood.

And when they turn him over, the deputies find something completely unexpected. There's a shell casing that's wedged under his right armpit, which means that the man, 29-year-old Ben Renick, probably was not killed by a rogue python after all. By the time the EMTs realized that Ben had in fact been shot, coroner Dave Colbert was already on the property. And as Dave approached the body, he saw that there were these divot marks in the floor. There was also a gunshot wound in the victim's head and there was another shell casing on a shelf above the body right away. No questions asked. He knows that this is a homicide. Ben had been shot eight times, mostly from behind, with at least one of those being at close range.

Meanwhile, Linley and Sam stood outside watching in shock as law enforcement was processing the scene. And as the two people who reported Ben's death, they were also the first people that police wanted to speak to, obviously. But before we get into how the investigation started unfolding, I want to take a step back and I want to talk a little bit more about Ben and who he was. Ben was born on August 4th, 1987, and he grew up on his family's 72-acre property in rural New Florence, Missouri. It's about an hour and 15 minutes northwest of St. Louis. About the time that Ben was born, the town's population was only around 800 people. It's a really, really small town. That's quaint.

Very quaint. And Ben kind of never left. From an early age, he loved searching the woods for snakes. He was always obsessed with snakes. And when Ben turned seven, his parents, Frank and Charlene, got him his bare. own pet snake. Frank owned a pet supply company called Spectrum Pet Foods, so he supported his son's love of pets, even the unusual ones. But as Ben got older, his love of snakes started turning into an obsession. Ben had a gift for understanding snake color genetics, which allowed

him to breed snakes with these rare morphs, as they were called, or specific color pattern and variations. Yeah, we went through his whole YouTube channel that's up, and I'm not a snake girl, but these were some beautiful colors. Really beautiful. Really cool. Like neon albinos, calico colors, like really cool patterns. So we'll be sure to insert some clips of that for you guys. By his teenage years, Ben had begun breeding these reticulated pythons that are the longest snakes in the world as well as anacondas.

He converted a barn on his dad's farm into a snake house and he slowly started expanding his collection from there. And Frank kicked in some startup funds to help Ben with his snake. breeding business because there's money to be made in this. And Ben's snakes were already selling to collectors for some pretty high prices. In 2008, 21-year-old Ben officially incorporated his company called Renic Reptiles, and within a few years, he was considered a rock star in the snake breeding world. His rare color snakes would sell online at auctions for up to $25,000. That's one snake, you guys. $25,000. It's insane. That's like 10 times. what a designer dog costs.

I mean, that's a new car. Yeah. Ben was like an American Steve Irwin almost. He was clean cut. He was bright-eyed. He always dressed really nicely. And he was bursting with enthusiasm for snakes. This was definitely his passion. But the success didn't necessarily go to his head. His snakes remained the most important thing in his life until 2011 when he reconnected with a former teenage acquaintance of his. And that was 23-year-old massage therapist, Linley Gallatin. Ben fell hard and fast. for Linley. Within the first year of dating, he invited Linley to move into his house on his family's

property. And by this time, both Ben and his brother Sam lived in their own separate homes there. Linley brought along her three-year-old son from a previous relationship, and over time, Ben became the little boy's father figure. That first taste of parenting really made him want to have more kids. So before their first anniversary as a couple, Linley was pregnant, and they had their daughter in early 2012. After three years of dating, 27-year-old Ben and 26-year-old Lindley married in this small ceremony that they had in 2014. And Linley now co-owned Ben's reptile business. And it was really highly profitable at this point.

But the money wasn't necessarily easy. It was still hard to run this business. It's a lot of work having all those snakes. They had to maintain a really large snake collection to produce those rare snakes. And that occupied most of Ben's time. And Linley was very happy to help out with all of this for Ben, but she also had ambitions of her own. she was an experienced massage therapist and she always wanted to run her own spa. So in 2016, Linley finally opened one in Columbia, Missouri.

That's about 50 miles away from their home in New Florence. And in 2017, it really seemed like both of them were living their dreams. They both had made some headway in their careers. As Ben approached his 30th birthday, his snake collection was worth reportedly millions of dollars. And 29-year-old Lindley also owned her own business. and their five-year-old daughter was becoming a snake lover just like her dad. They had this picture-perfect family, but that is until June 8th when Ben was found dead in his facility. This episode is brought to you by Instacart.

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So let's get back to the day after Ben's death. Sam and Linley Renick were interviewed separately by investigators, and they both had their own ideas on who had killed Ben, who would want him dead. Which brings us to our first clue, their competing theories. 29-year-old Linley started by telling the police about her previous day. She claimed she worked a full day at her spa, leaving only to run a couple of small errands. But at around 5.45 p.m., she got a call from her kids' school saying that they hadn't been picked up yet. After getting the kids, she went to the snake house to look for her husband, Ben. They were supposed to have a date night, and they had already booked a babysitter.

So it's weird that he's just not around. So she walks into the barn, and that's when she finds him on the floor. She first makes a panicked call to Ben's brother Sam and then calls 911 at 6.36 p.m. By this point, they've determined that Ben's time of death was around 3.45 p.m., which according to Linley's timeline, puts her in Columbia, Missouri, 50 miles away from the barn when Ben's death occurred. But Linley, she had an idea who might be responsible. She actually thought Ben's brother Sam was responsible. You see, Ben had actually inherited the entire family property after their dad's passing five years earlier in 2012. That was the same year that Linley and Ben welcomed their daughter. But Sam got nothing.

Completely left out of the will, essentially. After the wedding, Ben and Linley jointly owned all 72 acres, no mention of a pre-up, while Sam and the kids remained tenants on the family farm. But the brothers themselves kind of had an idea why their dad would have left Sam. Sam out of the will. Ben's snake business brought in more than enough revenue to maintain the family property and pay all of the taxes on it. Sam worked at a rent-to-own business at the time, earning way less, so I think they assumed dad thought, hey, Ben'll take care of Sam. He'll let him live on the farm. And so Linley told detectives Sam and Ben had been fighting about the property in the weeks before the murder.

It kind of all came to this boiling point, and she said, quote, Sam kind of basically just went to Ben, and he was like, you need to give me half of the property. Ben was like, no, I can't jeopardize my family and this business. So, you know, he just said a lot of really hurtful things to Ben, end quote. There was another reason for Sam to potentially be upset. Linley said that Ben was planning to sell a part of the business, which meant that Sam was probably going to have to move. So wheels are turning for detectives. They're like, that could be a motive getting kicked out of your family home. No roof over your head. But if you're a detective too, are you also like, oh, interesting that you thought that the brother might have killed your husband and your first phone call was to him? That, to me, I would immediately start being like, what? And like you're pointing the finger very quickly. Yeah. Very quickly.

You know, detectives, they were on it. They quickly jumped to speaking to Sam that very same day because Linley's accusations raised their story. suspicion exponentially. However, when they met with Sam, they found him to be extremely cooperative. He was happy to take a gunshot residue test, which Lindley also voluntarily took. And while both tests came back negative, Sam offered up an alibi as well. However, that alibi has never been made public, but it was one that investigators were at least comfortable with. He also agreed to take a polygraph test. And as for the farm, yeah, Sam admitted that he was hurt by his father's will. But on the same hand, he understood why the decision was made. He said,

quote, life's not fair. I can't afford the farm. That's an expensive place to live. And so the more that these detectives spoke to Sam, the more they realized that he really didn't have any real financial motive to kill Ben. It actually might have been more helpful for Ben to be alive and kind of look out for his brother and, hey, I'm selling the business, but you can still live here. And honestly, with Ben gone now, Linley stood to inherit the family property, along with Ben's huge collection of valuable snakes, potentially worth millions, not Sam. Sam was entitled to nothing. Sam had a theory of his own.

In his interview, he said the murder might have been either a robbery gone wrong or an act of revenge against the family. because as it turns out, their father, Frank Renick, had quite a few skeletons in his closet. So as the Missouri State Highway Patrol began their investigation, they found out some things about the Renick's dad that could not be overlooked. And it was not pretty. These revelations are clue number two for us today. The Renix actually made local headlines back in September of 1992 when their home exploded. The blast was so violent, it actually sent their washer and dryer for.

flying before it crashed into a neighbor's property. Nothing was left of the home but basically the bare foundation and insulation, which kept raining down from the sky for over an hour. Thankfully, the family of four, five-year-old Ben, his older brother Sam, their parents, Frank and Charlene, were in St. Louis, Missouri that night, 75 miles away, which was lucky, but maybe a little bit too lucky, investigators thought. When the fire marshals dug into the cause, they found that plugs had been removed from the family's gas line, which basically allowed all this petroleum to just seep out and ignite, the insurance company actually denied Frank, the dad's claim, saying that, hey, insurance fraud, buddy, not real.

Whoa. No criminal charges were filed, but 20 years later in 2012, Frank was accused of fraud again. On May 30th, a grand jury indicted him on three counts of felony mail fraud for swindexam. million dollars. That's a lot. That's a huge amount of money. According to the Department of Justice between 2006 and 2011, Frank tricked more than 250 people into investing in his company Spectrum Pet Foods. Frank had allegedly told people that the company was poised to go public, meaning its value would double, and investors were guaranteed to profit. Prosecutors said that Frank had spent about $800,000 of his investors' money on luxuries for himself, like a cruise.

I just always am so confused when people do that how they think they're going to get away with it. Like if you're going $800,000 in the hole because you have to take a cruise, like, just what do you think is going to happen? I do not know. Also telling your investors, you're guaranteed a profit. I know that's also a rough. No investments are guaranteed. Very Bernie Madoff. Like, you can't lose money doing this. Yeah, if an investment person tells you, you're not going to lose. Red flag.

Yeah. Their line. Makes me nervous. It also turns out that Rennick Reptiles also allegedly received $70,000 of this money. Although Ben was never accused of any wrongdoings and who's to say he even knew where that investment from his father was coming from. Yeah. But on June 4th, 2012, 62-year-old Frank was arrested. He faced up to 60 years in federal prison.

with a fine of up to 750,000, if convicted, and a trigger warning here for suicide. Ben, who's 24 at this time, he's getting ready to celebrate his first father's day on Sunday, June 17th, when his dad, Frank, died by suicide. Sadly, Ben was the one to discover his father's body on the family farm.

Frank was just really struggling at this time between these charges and this fraud. He had also lost his wife, Ben's mother, three years before. Losing their father to suicide not long after the death of their mom, it must have been extremely hard for the two brothers. I also wonder, too, how much you feel guilty for the crimes of your father at that point. Absolutely. And people that probably lost everything. Everything. And who's to say, you know, the very roof over your head, your family farm with your reptile business, what if that got seized? I mean, you... Yeah, because you got dirty money.

You got dirty money. Like, you have no idea at that point in time. how it's all going to play out. Yeah, the feds are going to take your snakes, maybe. Maybe it's, I mean, it's a huge weight of unknown burden over your head. Yeah. And both of these brothers had their own lives, their own families. In Sam's own words, quote, there's a lot of people that lost a lot of money, you know, due to my father. Yeah, like clearly is hanging over them.

Yeah, so this could be a huge motive. I mean, this made sense. And before ruling Frank's death of suicide, investigators did. look into the possibility that he was actually murdered by one of these alleged fraud victims. And we say alleged because obviously Frank did not live to see his criminal trial. However, a 2016 ruling found that Frank had misled investors. The state imposed about $109,000 in civil penalties. We don't know if the victims were ever paid back.

But by the time of Ben's death, Sam believed there were people still angry. enough to kill over it. And obviously killing Ben wouldn't bring back the money that Frank lost them. But still, the Renix believed that Frank's victims might have resented Ben's success with Renek reptiles and thought there's money there to be made. I lost

everything. Like maybe I can get in on some of that money. And the timing was pretty suspicious. In early 2017, a few months before the murder, Ben had agreed to sell the python breeding portion of his business to a professional hockey player named Robin Lennar for 1.2

million dollars. The deal with Robin required Ben to continue caring for and breeding the collection himself. And in exchange, Robin would pay monthly boarding fees for the pythons. Ben's unique snake breeding talents were a huge part of the business's value. It's not really like someone could buy the business and continue it on themselves because Ben was very uniquely skilled at doing this in a way that like no one else was. But because of that, Ben needed to be alive for the business to continue. So Robin needed Ben to be alive or else he would have wasted all of that money. So it didn't necessarily seem like Robin was a suspect. Plus, Ben had already received a substantial down payment when he died. The remaining amount was due to be paid in quarterly installments of $200,000.

It was a very lucrative deal and it got a lot of publicity amongst reptile hobbyists, which started sparking a different theory about a financial motive. Maybe it had nothing to do with Frank. maybe it actually just had to do with Ben's seven-figure snake collection. Ben owned some of the most in-demand snakes in the world, including rare colored anacondas that were, like we had talked about earlier, worth $25,000 each. Someone could have killed him because they wouldn't necessarily need him to continue breeding the snakes. You could just kill him, take the snakes and sell him for $25,000 a pop, and they would have access to the best specimens in the entire world.

But at the time of his death, one thing that made it seem like that was less of them, motive was there were no snakes missing from his collection. Can you imagine being the cop that has to go through every bucket and look at all the snakes and be like, here, here, run roll call on all these snakes? My literal worst nightmare. And none of them missing, but also with Ben's death, who's taking care of them? I know. Their condition immediately starts suffering. I mean, no one else has the knowledge base or the time to go in and feed these snakes. So give them the little rats. It immediately becomes an issue that these snakes and their quality of life is like immediately going down post murder. So if stealing high value snakes was the motive, one, they're not

gone and two, they're going down in value because they're suffering. Yeah, if you wanted the snakes, if the point of the murder was the business, you really like, I don't know, cut off the legs of the business of like the ability to take care of the foot completely. Yeah. Also, all of the valuable equipment was still there. So it's not like people wanted to steal the equipment so they could start our own snake breeding business. So detectives ultimately ruled out robbery as a motive, though revenge was very much still on the table. And the issue of money just kept coming up, including this whole other reveal about Ben's finances, which led the investigation in an entirely different direction. Insurance isn't one-size-fits-all. And shopping for it shouldn't feel like

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If your business is worth so much money and you, like you are the sole person that can keep it going, like a million dollars, I mean, he was worth a lot of money. Yeah, I mean, worth a lot of money. And Linley, his wife, was the sole beneficiary, which is why this life insurance policy is our third clue. So detectives actually get the agent that sold Ben his policy on the phone. And get this. Just a day or two after Ben died, Linley had gotten in touch with that agent.

She wanted to learn when the policy would pay out. Yeah, when I first read about that, okay, giving her the benefit. I have the doubt, you have a family to take care of, and now this person who's running an incredibly successful business and the business cannot continue anymore is gone. So you do have to think about finances, like right away. Think about finances. I don't know. Don't you have enough in your, like, you're just checking account to get you by? Right in the comments when you feel your husband died. At what point it starts being suspicious to look in on their life insurance policy. I mean, if anything happened to, I would be catatonic. And I know everyone greased.

differently, everyone handles stress and all of these things differently, but next day, you get that agent on, you got them on speed dial? I'm curious what people think about it. And Linley at this point is, she's making other financial moves too. This isn't just it. Within days of Ben's death, Linley got ready to sell the Renek family property, which she now fully owned. That's when it starts getting a little bit more suspicious. She also got in contact with other snake breeders to tell them that she'd be selling off Ben's remaining snakes. And I get this, you know, they needed specialized care, their cages required constant cleaning. Some of the snakes were the only ones in the world with their particular color genetics. Again, rare, valuable snakes. Yeah, you have to get the snakes

to someone who can take care of them immediately. Yeah. ASAP. Yeah. She begins immediately starting to pass off some of these snakes, especially the rare ones that, you know, if never bred, the genetics would just be gone at this point. So one of the people she started passing off snakes to was Megan Kelly. And the amount that she sold or, you know, agreed upon to hand over those snakes has never been revealed. But they are some of the most valuable snakes on earth. Yeah. Is what our research tells us. And detectives at this point, they're curious why she was doing all of this. I mean, it's a lot of logistical and financial rearranging so soon after Ben's murder. And there was a lot still up in the air. I mean, we've got a professional hockey player, Renner, that came in and is making payments to buy a portion of this business and some of the snakes.

So how do you kind of account for that? Yeah, he owns part of the collection. Yeah. So there's a lot of pieces here. And Renner's going to come back up again for us a little later. But in our timeline, like, Linley doesn't care. So 11 days after Ben's death on June 19th, they bring Linley in for another interview. And it's in this interview that she makes a shocking confession.

Detectives start probing because thanks to an investigation into Ben's Facebook messages, they learned that Ben had been suspecting Linley of cheating, which is our fourth clue, Linley's extramarital affairs. Detectives assumed Linley would deny it, but they hoped the accusation would at least rattle her enough to reveal something. Much to their surprise, though, she admitted to an affair with something. someone who actually worked in marketing for her spa. She said that she began the fair the year before in 2016.

It was purely sexual. She admitted to seeing the guy for sex once or twice a month for about a year. But Linley said that her infidelity had nothing to do with Ben's death. Instead, she continued to place blame on Ben's brother Sam. And at this point, she didn't know that police had already cleared Sam of any suspicion. And Linley's admission of an affair also made her. her coworker a suspect. He did have a rock solid alibi, though. But police started looking at everyone at her spa. Who else could Linley have talked to? Who else might know something? And so

they started looking at a friend and employee named Ashley Shaw. Ashley knew everything about Linley's personal life. And in her first interview with detectives, she revealed Linley wasn't having just one affair. She was having two. And the second affair started just a few. days before Ben's murder. According to Ashley, Linley met a man named Brandon Blackwell through a dating site, Ashley Madison, which is a site that's kind of targeted towards married people seeking affairs. Do you remember those billboards being up? Like, don't you think it's time to have an affair in like 2008? Turns out Brandon also married, so hence why he used the site. And he had two kids as well. Earlier in the week of Ben's murder, Linley and Brandon had hooked up for the first time.

Police checked her co-worker's story against phone records. They did confirm that Linley was in contact with Brandon. And when police tracked him down, he also had a solid alibi. Brandon was out as a suspect. But Linley's phone records brought another name into the conversation. In the days leading up to Ben's murder and on the day Ben died, Lindley had texted someone in her phone named Mike H. After Ben's death, those text messages just stopped.

Investigators thought that was a little suspicious. And Linley, having already admitted two affairs, they kind of expected this to be a third. When police asked her about Mike H., she said that he was the son of a regular client, who now came to the spa himself. But after pressing her further, she admitted he was at him. actually an ex-boyfriend, a 33-year-old guy named Michael Humphrey. Linley said that they had started dating back in 2009, in between splitting up with her son's biological father and meeting Ben. They broke up in the fall of 2010. By that point, they were both struggling with addiction to

prescription painkillers, and she kind of blamed Michael for that addiction that she had. But after the breakup, Linley said she quit cold turkey and hadn't struggled with substance use disorder since. Michael, however, did have a criminal record for a drug offense, which supported at least part of the story that Linley was sharing with investigators. So investigators track him down to his home. He insisted that he knew nothing about the murder. He said that he had only briefly talked to Linley because she needed a car stereo installed. But this car stereo story didn't really explain why they talked regularly for weeks before the murder and then just stopped the day Ben died. Like, why?

Yeah. You have this relationship, your friends, air quotes. Like, you have something going on where she'd ask you at least to help with a car stereo. But then day he dies, just stop. Yeah, the timing is so suspicious. Very, very suspicious. And that's why just two weeks into the investigation, Linley had become the primary suspect. But investigators knew that they had to keep that to themselves. They had nowhere near enough information to actually get an arrest warrant. And they couldn't be. too aggressive because they thought that she would stop cooperating with them. And at this point, she'd been pretty cooperative. She, like, gets the gunshot residue test. Multiple interviews. Exactly. Exactly. She's willing to talk. She's singing like a canary. But as the weeks tick by, she does start distancing herself from the investigation. And according to Sam, at this point, Linley closed her spa. She packed up her kids and she cut off all contact with the Rennick family. Linley did show up for voluntary interviews with the police, and she was questioned a total of six times. Meanwhile, she kept trying to sell the Renick family property, and Sam, who was still living there, ended up suing her in order to stop her.

And during this time, too, the remainder of Linley's inheritance from Ben gets tied up in court. And a court-appointed administrator was put in place to represent Ben's interests during the lengthy process of settling his estate, which was very complicated, as we know, until the probate process was complete, Linley would have to apply to the court for allowances from the estate if she needed part of the money for her own living expenses. And it's not clear if she would even be able to access any profits from the farm when it sold because that was also a part of Ben's estate. But she pressed forward with her attempts to sell it anyway, even though the farm had been in the Renick family for about 40 years. And selling it meant evicting her own daughter's young cousins. As for the police, they only grew more and more suspicious of her as they were watching this entire process unfold. Mind you, the home is still an active crime scene. So if she was worried about figuring out who killed her husband, you would think she would also want to maintain this active crime scene, and yet she's trying to sell the property as fast as she can. There wasn't much police could do, though, about their suspicions at the time. They didn't have a murder weapon. They didn't really have any forensic evidence, and they did not

have any witnesses to the crime. Someone was going to have to either slidious. lip up or confess, which is why on October 5th, 2017, investigators had Linley come in for a polygraph test. They hoped that the pressure would get her to confess to what she had done. But it didn't really work. She continued to maintain her innocence the entire time. And when she was asked, did you shoot that man? Linley answered no. But the polygraph said that she was lying. Though Linley shrugged it off, police did confront her and basically tell her you failed one question in the polygraph. Guess which one it was? She's like, I don't know which one. And they were like, when we asked you if you killed your husband, that's the one you failed. And she just shrugs it off. She says, quote, I can't explain why I just failed that, but I didn't kill Ben. So yeah, she fails her polygraph, but detectives, their plan fails too. There was no confession. And even with that, the case remained open. But after October, 2017, which was five months after the murder, there was not really any progress in the case for a long time. Linley started a relationship with Brandon Blackwell, the guy that she met on Ashley Madison

right before Ben's murder. What about his wife? Brandon, well, he left his wife for her. In early 2018, they found out that they were expecting a child. Meanwhile, Linley sold the Renek Farm for $740,000, kicking Sam and his family out. His attempt to stop. the sale in court failed and he ended up settling with Lindley for just $18,000. Not enough to buy a new home. But that wasn't the only court battle over Ben's assets. Renic Reptiles ended up in litigation over the incomplete sale to the hockey player, Robin Lennar. And after the murder, Robin stopped paying. There was no more business to handle. Yeah, Ben's gone. Yeah. Why make payments still?

Well, you would think, Renic Reptiles sued him to complete the purchase, even though part of of the fine print was that Ben had to be alive and taking care of the business while Robin was... I want to pay a monthly boarding fee. Yeah. And so Robin basically countersued. He claimed that Ben's murder had thrown the whole snake breeding operation into chaos. I mean, Linley had been giving snakes away, selling them, but we don't know the amount. Exactly. Without Ben present, Robin's lawyers argued that the snakes were breeding uncontrollably, which devalued the collection. Because it's not like the curation of the snakes and like the special colors. and stuff that like Ben was known for, they were just completely being bred without any rhyme or reason.

And that was going to cost Robin millions to maintain. Both lawsuits were eventually settled out of court. Meanwhile, in February of 2018, Linley submitted a claim to the estate. She wanted $15,000 as a homestead allowance, meaning money for a place to live and $4,025 a month for a family allowance, which would cover her living expenses. Her request would have to be reviewed by a court, which, you know, that could take years. Plus, Linley hadn't gotten the life insurance money either since the murder investigation was still open. But that wasn't the only thing that was going sideways for Linley at this time. Her relationship with Brandon really started falling apart in May of 2019. And Brandon, after that, was forced to pay $760 a month in child support. And according to Linley, that's when Brandon started threatening her.

So she goes back to court. she takes out a protective order against Brandon to make sure that nothing bad could happen. But Linley claims that after that, even with this protective order, Brandon kept stalking her. So she contacted the police and Brandon ended up going to jail because of that. He was slapped with five counts of violating the order and two counts of stalking. And so that's where Brandon was in January of 2020, when his father called the police and told them that Brandon was ready to talk about the murder of Ben Renick finally. When investigators spoke to Brandon on January 14th, 2020, it was clear exactly what he wanted. His freedom and exchanged for information.

Simple. Brandon opened the conversation by saying, quote, my main concern is getting out of that cell. So Brandon told the investigators his story. And that story is our fifth clue. Brandon claimed that when law enforcement spoke to him back in 2017, he didn't really know anything about Ben's murder. but as his relationship with Linley progressed, she started to reveal what actually happened to her husband. Linley said leading up to the murder that Ben was planning to leave her because her spa was losing a lot of money and forcing the snake breeding profits to cover her losses.

And if the couple divorced, Linley believed that Ben would hire a lawyer and get full custody of both of her children. And she suspected that he might even weaponize her history of substance use to get that custody. So according to Brandon, Linley told him that she struck first. In May 2017, with the help of that friend from the spa, Ashley Shaw, she allegedly served Ben a smoothie that was laced with, quote, an enormous amount of narcotics. Ben got sick, but he didn't die. It's unclear when that was, but after that, Linley and Ashley moved on to Plan B.

Linley's ex, Michael Humphrey. At some point, Brandon said that they went to Jefferson City, Missouri, found him at his home, and apparently they had both convinced Michael to help them kill Ben. They picked a date for the murder, June 8, 2017. Linley planned a date with Ben for the night, so he wouldn't get suspicious. That afternoon, she met up with Michael at the spa. Both Linley and Michael left their cell phones there with her co-worker Ashley. their cell activity and location histories

gave them both alibis and made them look like they were there in Columbia miles away at the time of the murder. And then Linley and Michael drove over to the farm to meet Ben that afternoon. But at the last minute, allegedly Michael backed out. He thought Linley might regret it later

and he didn't want to be blamed for her anything. So according to Brandon, Linley decided to do it herself with Michael there for support. So as Ben, was cleaning the snake habitats along the back wall of the building, Linley grabbed the gun from Michael's vehicle, walked in, and shot Ben eight times. Michael picked up all the shell casings that he could see, but clearly missed the ones that

the EMT and coroner found. Michael then drove Linley back to the spa, where she showered, changed into clean clothes, and bagged her old ones for Michael to then destroy. After that, Linley went home and discovered Ben's body. She then placed that 911 call at 6.36 p.m. But this is all coming again from Brandon Blackwell. This is just his side of the story. And Linley disputed all of this.

She claimed that he made it all up just to get out of jail. So now investigators are sitting here questioning. Who's telling us the truth? And I will add here too that the detectives did have reason to be cautious about Brandon's information. informants who are incarcerated and expect to receive leniency or other benefits in exchange for their testimony, which they're known as jailhouse informants, frequently do give false information. And according to the Innocence Project, nearly one in five DNA exoneration cases involve a jailhouse informant who contributed to the wrongful prosecution. Yeah, so investigators know they kind of have to take all of this with a grain assault. There's a lot more digging to do, especially when they look at the reason why Brandon is in that cell.

Yeah. For violating a protection order. So clearly, something's up. Totally. Yeah, exactly. So investigators go back to their case files. They're hoping to just find something to verify Brandon's story, which brings us to clue number six. Investigators read all the way back through Ben's Facebook messages and something that kind of seemed mundane before starts to jump out at them. Linley and Ben had a message exchange about a protein shape.

on May 23, 2017. Ben said it made him feel extremely sick. And a little over two weeks later, he was found dead. And that little hint wasn't the only thing they find buried in Ben's Facebook messages. There were also conversations about the spa struggling financially, putting a strain on their marriage. Shortly before the murder, Ben found out Lindley owed back rent for the spa. And in these messages, it kind of sounded like he was running out of patience, with her business failures.

One message from Ben to Linley read, quote, no more lying, no more keeping things from me, no more not paying people and thinking it's okay to pay later. Investigators found that Linley was behind on basically all of her bills and frequently was overdrafting the spas account. Basically, these messages confirmed a lot of key elements of Brandon's statement. Lindley was losing money. It caused conflict in her marriage,

and she gave Ben a smoothie that made him sick just before he did. From that point on, investigators moved pretty quickly. On January 16th, two days after Brandon's jailhouse interview, 31-year-old Linley was finally arrested for murder. 35-year-old Michael Humphrey was arrested separately on January 16th, but there was still one more suspect, Ashley Shaw, Linley's co-worker who Brandon claimed was in on the poisoning and also in on the shooting. The investigators had a different plan for her, though. They presented her with a choice. she was either Team Missouri or Team Linley. You're basically on the side of the truth or you're on the side of your friend?

And which side are you going to take? Yeah, if you don't get on the state side, you're going to jail. Yeah. And so she picked Team Missouri. She did not want to go to jail for this. And in exchange for immunity, she told the detectives everything she knew. She was able to fill in a lot of gaps for the investigators, which brings us to our seventh clue, Ashley's side of the story.

She revealed the key of the key. ingredient in that toxic smoothie. Yes, that was true. About 15 percassette pills, which she ground up at Linley's request. And upon hearing this, investigators are like, why? Why would you get involved? Why would you help? Why would you, why would you be the one to grind the pills? And this is where Ashley says that Linley claimed Ben was sexually abusing her. Linley told Ashley that leaving him wouldn't solve the problem because he would take her kids and keep them from her. So he had to die. And Michael did later confirm that Linley also told him that Ben was abusive.

There were also some Facebook messages between Ben and Linley, where Linley had confronted him directly about allegedly abusing her while she was asleep. So after that smoothie didn't work out, Ashley agreed to help Linley with her second plan. Linley said that she would look into hiring a hitman, but apparently she couldn't afford the prices charged by the, quote, Mexican mafia. And that is when they got Michael involved. And now investigators are hearing all this. And to them, it is clear who their star witness is going to be. And they were ready to move forward. As word spread about Lindley's arrest, there was a lot of outrage in the snake lover community. fellow breeders had rallied around Linley and her children after Ben's death. They raised $40,000 for her.

It's a lot of money. And now Ben's fans were realizing that they may have sent their money to ultimately his killer. Ben's friends and fans would have to wait a while for justice, though, because first, Michael Humphrey had to go to trial. And also, there was a global pandemic because that was around the time that COVID happened. On February 19, 2020, Michael was officially charged with one count of first-degree murder and one count of armed criminal action. And a few weeks later, COVID happened and it shut down the courts.

Jury selection for Michael's trial officially began, get this, on October 14th, 2021. That was more than four years after Ben's murder and over a year and a half after everything got started for his trial. And the trial started just four days later on October 18th. Michael's defense attorneys pointed the finger at Lindley. They said Michael actually had no idea that she was planning on killing Ben. and that he was just looking to help an ex out of an abusive partnership. According to Michael's lawyers, Michael was so convinced by Linley's claims that he gave her a gun,

which he delivered to the spa in case she needed it for self-defense. When Michael went to the farm with Linley, his lawyer said that he thought they were there to pick up her kids and to tell Ben that she was leaving him. But Linley instead whipped out the gun and shot Ben. Michael was so shocked by this. He ran out of the door. And meanwhile, the prosecution leaned heavily on Brandon Blackwell's statement that Michael had agreed to help kill Ben, but backed out on the day of the murder, which forced Linley to shoot him herself. Under Missouri law, helping someone commit murder will get you charged with murder even if you don't do the killing yourself. So if the jury believed the prosecution's version of events, Michael would be found guilty, even if Linley was the one that pulled the trigger. Both the prosecution and the defense arrested their cases after just two days that was on October 20th.

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to be. Use us directed. After Michael's first degree murder conviction, prosecutors saw an opportunity to shore up their case for Linley's trial. They were never going to offer Michael immunity, but they wanted his testimony against Lindley. So they make him this offer. They say, if you cooperate in Linley's case, they could use their special post-conviction, pre-sentencing legal maneuver to reduce his conviction

to second-degree murder. He was basically going to go to a prison no matter what, but a second-degree conviction at least gave him a shot at parole, so maybe he could get out in his lifetime. Before finalizing this deal, though, The prosecution wanted Michael to prove that he could provide more than just the story that his lawyers told at his trial. They wanted new evidence. They wanted something substantial. And he delivered, which also gives us our eighth and final clue. On October 29th, 2021, law enforcement announced that Michael had led them to the murder weapon.

It was actually hidden in his ex-girlfriend's mother's attic the whole time. time, and he procured it just in time for Linley's trial. And upon evaluation, it was indeed a match for the shell casings found at the scene. Linley's trial began on December 6, 2021. She was charged with one count of first-degree murder and one count of armed criminal action. The prosecution's two-star witnesses, Ashley and Michael, both testified on the first day of the trial, and a few new details came to light. First, Michael changed his story about the day of the murder, saying that Linley did initially ask him to kill Ben, but he refused. Michael also testified that on the day of the murder, he offered Linley methamphetamine to get her amped up for the confrontation. And the rest of the

story besides those two details was pretty much the same. Another employee, Rachel Hunt, testified that she found out about the plan on the day of the murder, June 8th, 2017. And according to Rachel, She and Linley talked during their smoke breaks about ways to kill Ben. This didn't bother Rachel because she did also believe that Ben was sexually assaulting Linley. The witnesses were strong, but to get a first-degree murder conviction, the state needed to prove not only that Linley pulled the trigger, but that it was premeditated. So they leaned really heavily in on her text messages. They revealed to the jury that Linley sent nude photos of herself to Ben hours before the murder. They argued that she was trying to set up Ben to be.

killed by convincing him that they were about to have a sexy date night. And in the hours leading up to the murder, Linley also texted Ben to say she loved him and then switched to her conversation with Michael to ask if he was on his way yet. And then after the murder, while the coroner examined Ben's body, Lindley flirted with one of her fair partners via text. They also showed evidence that Linley was the sole beneficiary on Ben's million dollar life insurance policy and that she expected to make money from his snake operation, proving that she did have motive. On December 7th, 2021, the defense tried to convince the jury that it was Michael that pulled the trigger, and Linley knew nothing about his intentions until after he shot Ben.

According to the defense, Linley didn't even know that Michael brought a gun to the snakehouse until they were actually inside of it. And when he revealed the weapon and pointed it at Ben, Linley said she ran away. Both her father and best friend took the stand to say, that Linley had never been violent, had very little experience with guns, and was genuinely distraught after Ben's murder. According to their testimony, Linley was so grief-stricken, she had to be hospitalized for dehydration. She couldn't bring herself to eat or drink anything afterwards. Still, the defense admitted that Linley was present during the murder, and, at the very

least, knew Ben might have been shot. On the third day of the trial, December 8th, Linley took the stand in her own defense and testified for hours. She admitted that she had spent years lying to everyone in her life about what happened that day. She even offered a tearful apology to Sam Rennick from the stand, but she insisted that this time she was actually telling the truth. She just wanted a divorce. Michael made his own decision to kill Ben that day. After 12 hours of deliberations, the jury found Lindley guilty,

but not of first-degree murder, of second. In other words, they thought that she killed Ben, but they weren't convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that the murder was premeditated. The jury also returned a guilty verdict on the other charge, armed criminal action. They recommended a 13-year sentence for second-degree murder and three years for the armed criminal action charge.

A much lighter sentence than Michael got. He would actually still be serving life in prison with the possibility of parole. And Linley was so thankful. to the jury that she actually mouthed a thank you several times from her spot at the defense table. Judge Kevin Crane visibly struggled to hold back his anger at the jury's recommendation of a light sentence, saying, quote, you're awful lucky, ma'am, you're going to get out in your 40s. And my 40s weren't too bad. I just hope you don't kill again. Which, I don't know if anyone else is sitting out there feeling deeply unsettled by all of that, but...

Such a light sentence. I mean, it's just to me, it's so confusing because I look at, you know, all the clues we have, all the holes in this case, all of the motive. And to be like, I didn't know my random ex-boyfriend who I just started getting in contact with would kill my husband. Right, right. I had no idea that I got in the car with him and a gun going to the farm. And oh, yeah, I kind of knew he got shot, but I didn't call for help for 911. I was there. And then I misled the investigation and actually started accusing his brother, who had not.

Nothing to do with any of this. Nothing. To get an innocent person potentially involved. Yeah. And I know she didn't have gunshot residue on her hand, but quick Google search will tell you there are ways to get that off. And she had hours. She went back to her spa. What kind of chemicals do you have at your spa? Yeah. What kind of acids for treatments or things do you have that could have cleaned your hands, a gunshot residue. It seemed like she had an exact game plan of what she wanted to do afterwards with what to do with the snakes, what to do with the estate, how to get any.

touch on the life insurance. It wasn't premeditated yet she tried to kill him with a 15 percassette pill smoothie. Yeah, and then there's a smooth. Actually, that's like of everything we said. How did get here? I think it's weird to say like, yeah, I had tried to kill him two weeks prior. But I didn't kill him that day. But I, yeah, I was like someone else that day. That is very strange. I'm very confused. I sit here deeply unsettled with the clues presented in front of me. It is, it's a very, very bizarre case. I need to know everyone's thoughts, comments. But let's get into some of the loose ends here. So in 2022, Linley was actually officially banned by a judge from collecting on Ben's estate.

Any remaining proceeds went directly to his children. According to Ben's brother, Sam via Facebook, Ben's daughter and stepson have had no contact with the Renick family since Ben's 2017 funeral. No contact. And they're living instead in Jefferson City, Missouri with Linley's sister. Yeah, I believe she actually transferred custody to her. her sister before the trial. I mean, I've seen a clip from Ben's brother Sam, and he's beyond devastated that he doesn't get to know his niece and nephew. Well, he's already lost his parents. He lost his brother. His home. His home. Family is far. And then he loses his brother's kids as well.

Yeah. You've lost your whole family. Well, and like the judge said, she gets out around 40. She even gets credit for time served against that, you know, that sentence she has. And so looking at who's going to manage the kids access, is she truly banned from accessing that money? What's to stop her kids from just giving it to her? I mean, it's a very complex situation, and I'm sure there's safeguards in place, but are they actually going to be enforced? I mean, we see how the system can not work as it is intended sometimes. No, absolutely. I think at the end of the day with this case, there's a lot to feel very conflicted about. There's a lot of very complicated ethical things happening, whether, you know, Linley was making accusations against Ben. He was not alive to ever be charged with anything. Linley also did stuff that, you know, she murdered a person. She took her kid's dad away from them. Like, there's a lot

going on. And like at the end of the day, I can understand if listeners also don't appreciate the snake breeding thing that he was doing too. There's a lot of, like, ethical concerns with the type of snake breeding he was doing. When we talk about activism at the end of our cases, you know, we'll talk about different organizations that are related to crime, but we wanted to highlight actually the snakes in all of this that you can, if you really care about snakes and care about snake rescue, you can check out save the snakes.org. And they are advocates for snake preservation and they're doing a lot of good work. And so that would be the thing that I want to highlight at the end of all this. Yeah, absolutely. Very complex case. And again, I sit here and I'm just like, I'm on, I feel like a lot of us are going to be unsettled and confused. and how should we feel? And so, yeah. I feel like the snakes deserve justice at the end of the day. Every animal deserves just health, happiness, quality of life, not to necessarily be exploited.

And, you know, there's comparisons from this type of breeding to puppy mills. And it's, I don't know. It's very, it's complex. It's very complex. But on that note, let's move on to our missing person of the week. This week we're highlighting the case of 14-year-old Sebastian Wayne Drake Rogers, who vanished from his home in Hendersonville, Tennessee during the night on February 25th or 26, 2024.

The day before his disappearance, Sebastian spent time with his mother, Katie Proudfoot. The two went shopping at a department store, played video games at a bowling alley, and had dinner before returning home. They said goodnight sometime between 9 and 10 p.m. And later that evening, Katie heard a loud bang from Sebastian's room shortly before 10 p.m. When she asked if he was okay, he responded that. he was and Katie then spoke on the phone with her husband who was out of town for work for nearly two hours before going to sleep at midnight. The next morning Katie went to wake Sebastian for school,

but discovered that he was missing. She searched the neighborhood and drove to his nearby school before returning home and her husband contacted emergency services to report him missing. Investigators have found no signs of forced entry and Sebastian appeared to have left without clothes, shoes, money, or his cell phone, which was still on the dining room table. The only item possibly missing was a small yellow flashlight. Despite extensive searches and tips, Sebastian has never been found, the FBI is offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to his whereabouts. Sebastian was wearing a black sweatshirt, black sweatpants, black square-framed glasses. Sebastian was five feet, five inches tall, around 110 to 115 pounds when he was last seen.

He has brown hair and eyes that look hazel or brown. Sebastian has medical conditions, including autism, that may impair his ability to return. safely without assistance. If you have any information concerning the whereabouts of Sebastian Rogers, please contact the Sumner County Sheriff's Office at 615-451-38-38 or the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation at 1-800-TBI Find. Or you can email at tips to tbi at tbi.tbi.tn.gov. All of those will be in the episode description. And that's all we have for you guys today. Now we turn it over to you all. your thoughts, feedback, theories, anything you have on this case, we're so interested in hearing it. We read through a lot of the comments. So now it's time for the community to chime in.

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