Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore - Thanksgiving Special! Heart Starts Pounding: Cold Cases Solved This Year

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

Happy Thanksgiving Clues fans, and for our international listeners, happy last week of November! Clues will be back with an all new episode next week. In the spirit of the holiday, we're sharing an ep...isode from Crime House creator Kaelyn Moore's fantastic show, Heart Starts Pounding. Cold cases can sit on shelves for years without answers, but this year we’ve seen some amazing advancements in cases that police thought would never get solved. Kaelyn will tell you about three of them today, with twists that no one saw coming. We'll cover the Yogurt Shop Murders, and the shocking discoveries that lead to arrests in the murders of Aliza Sherman and Doris Worrell. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:07 Cold cases can sit on shelves for years without answers. But this year, we've seen some amazing advancements in cases that police thought would never get solved. I want to tell you about three of those today. And they all have twists that no one's all coming and they get twistier as they go. So you're going to want to stick around. As always, welcome back to Heart Starts Pounding. I'm your host, Kailen Moore.
Starting point is 00:01:28 Now, this episode is coming out near Thanksgiving here in the States, and around that time of year, I always think of things to be thankful for. And to me, the solving of cold cases, the closure that that gives families is something that I think we can all be very grateful for. Now, this is going to be one of our last episodes before we start some more winter-specific stories in December. Think cozy mysteries, haunted castles, the kind of stuff you're going to want to curl up by a fire and drink hot chocolate, too. So you'll want to be here for our December programming. But for now, I want to start off our episode by telling you about an incredibly high-profile true crime case that had a major, major breakthrough this year and was ultimately solved. The yogurt shop murders in Austin, Texas. It's when your heart starts pounding.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Now, a quick refresher on this case in the event that you're not familiar. 1147 p.m. Friday night on December 6, 1991 in Austin, Texas. Something was definitely not right at the strip mall office. of Anderson Lane. The owner of a party supply store was working late that night when he heard popping noises coming from one of the nearby stores. He ran outside and he immediately saw dark smoke billowing from the next door froyo shop called I Can't Believe It's Yogurt. By the time he tried to call 911, a group of firefighters were already approaching the scene. And once they got there, the firefighters tried to enter the building, but they found that the
Starting point is 00:02:56 front door was locked. Now that was to be expected, the workers had probably locked the door when they decided to close up for the night. If anything, that was a good sign because maybe the shop was empty and no one had gotten hurt in this fire. Unfortunately, that was not the case. The firefighters forced their way into the shop and saw the layout of the store. There was a charred counter that was directly in front of the door past some tables. There were booths on the right and left side of the shop as well, covered and soot, and then past the counter was the back of the store, and that is where the fire seemed to have started. Through all the debris in the back part of the shop, they could make out the shapes of three bodies of teen girls that had been badly charred by the fire.
Starting point is 00:03:44 None of them were wearing clothes, and they had been gagged and tied up. They looked as though they had at one point been stacked on top of each other, but had maybe fallen over at some point once the fire started raging. Now, even further in the back of the shop, separate from the three girls, was where they found the fourth and final body, also of a teen girl. She was not quite as badly burned as the others, but her body was still in gruesome shape. She seemed to have been shot twice through the face and head. And once the medical examiner had done the autopsies,
Starting point is 00:04:18 it was confirmed that one of the girls was sexually assaulted. The medical examiner also swabbed the bodies for any DNA evidence, but never tested them for accelerant. So we don't know if something was poured on them to start. the fire that night. The victims were eventually confirmed to be Eliza Thomas and Jennifer Harbison, who were both 17 and worked at the shop, Jennifer's sister, 15-year-old Sarah Harbison, and Sarah's friend, 13-year-old Amy Ayers. Now, Sarah and Amy had been planning on having a sleepover that night at Sarah and Jennifer's house. They were just waiting that night for Jennifer to close up so she
Starting point is 00:04:52 could drive them home. They were normal teen girls having a normal teen girl night when tragedy struck. The Harbison parents would later recall how much both Jennifer and Sarah were both into sports. Jennifer excelled at track and Sarah absolutely dominated in basketball. The girls also loved animals and spent as much time around them as they could. Amy was a natural at horseback riding and she even had her own horse. Her mom described her as an old soul and her happiest when she was around animals. Sonora remembers her sister Eliza with an incredible amount of love as well. And so after this tragedy struck, the community very clearly was reeling over these deaths.
Starting point is 00:05:36 Austin in 1991 was not the Austin that you think of today, not even close. It was small. They didn't really have homicides like this. So police got to collecting clues to figure out who could have done it, but they were a little bit out of their element. And they really wanted to find out at this time if this had been done by someone within their own community. They confirmed that the weapons used in this attack used 22 caliber and 380 caliber bullets. Because of the extensive damage that was done by the fire and then the water that was used to put the fire out, collecting evidence was extremely difficult and they weren't really able to collect any fingerprints at the scene.
Starting point is 00:06:15 But because the front door was locked, police were able to assume that the crime had taken place after the store had closed and the girls had locked up around 11 p.m. that night. and the attacker must have fled through the back of the store. Now, based on the crime scene and witness statements that were collected from people who had been in the yogurt shop hours before it closed, the police put together an idea of what they thought had happened that night. So around 10 p.m., one hour before closing, a few witnesses remembered seeing a man come in. They didn't see his face. They didn't really hear his voice as he spoke to the girls behind the counter.
Starting point is 00:06:53 He didn't order anything, and instead he asked to use the bathroom. The girl said yes, and he went in. He still hadn't come out by the time the customers who saw him left the store, and they're not sure what happened. So one theory became that maybe this man could have snuck into the back without anyone seeing him. Maybe he jammed the rear door open, knowing that he was going to escape out the back later. And then he either then hit out in the bathroom until the store closed, or he came back later through the back door that he had previously propped open.
Starting point is 00:07:26 But there were other witnesses who pointed out two other men who seemed suspicious in the store that night. One with a padded tan jacket and another one that was thin and had light brown hair. But no one really got a good look at these guys' faces. Some customers reported seeing those two guys sitting in a booth near the counter of the yogurt shop, not long before the store closed, around 10.45 p.m. that night, which was about five minutes before the girls would have started closing up. And the last witness to leave the shop at around 1047 that night remembered seeing that the two men were still inside as they left. So these men, in theory, were the last people to see the girls alive. It wasn't a ton to go off of, but just a week
Starting point is 00:08:10 after the murders took place, police had a suspect in custody. A 16-year-old boy named Maurice Pierce was seen at North Cross Mall kind of sauntering around with a loaded 22-caliber pistol, the same kind of gun that was used in the murders. And he had it kind of tucked in the waistband of his jeans and he had bullets in his pockets. Now the North Cross Mall was only two blocks from the yogurt shop. Amy and Sarah had actually walked over from the mall to meet Jennifer on the night of the murder. Maurice was immediately taken into police custody and this set off a really horrible
Starting point is 00:08:47 chain of events that would last decades and ultimately ruin lives. The police couldn't prove that Maurice's gun was the murder weapon. There actually wasn't any physical evidence that tied the 16-year-old to the crime. But you have to remember, police were out of their element and they were really eager to make an arrest. And in order to do that, they would have to get a written confession to get the murder charges to stick. After hours of interrogation without a lawyer, Maurice Pierce told the police that his friend, a 15-year-old boy named Forrest Wellburn, had borrowed his gun the night of the yogurt shop murders. He said that Forrest disappeared for a while and then later returned sweaty,
Starting point is 00:09:31 smelling of hairspray, which the police thought was maybe the accelerant that was used to start the fire. And the day after this part of the interrogation happened, Maurice claimed that Forrest confessed to the killings. Detectives wired Maurice for a second conversation with his friend Forrest, but on tape, Forrest just insisted that he was only joking. Again, there was no evidence that linked either of those boys to the crime. But a homicide detective pressed the boys relentlessly for confessions. When that ultimately failed, Maris offered a separate lead, different from Forrest.
Starting point is 00:10:05 He said that there were two other boys, 17-year-old Robert Springsteen and 15-year-old Michael Scott, that were involved in the killing. Police went and they interrogated those boys too, but again, they hit another wall because all four of these boys were denying any involvement in the crime. And with no physical evidence to tie any of them to it, they were all released and after that the case really went cold.
Starting point is 00:10:31 But then, in 1998, so seven years later, this detective named Paul Johnson reopened the investigation. He wanted to revisit those original force suspects, so he brought Michael Scott in again. And after nearly 18 hours of questioning in 1999, Scott confessed that he, Springsteen, Pierce, and Wellborn had gone to rob the shop that night and ended up killing the four girls. Then after that happened, they set the whole place on fire. But he didn't mention anything about a sexual assault, which the police thought was a little strange. He said that he and Springsteen were the shooters, and after a little bit of coaxing and
Starting point is 00:11:12 leading by the police, he admitted that Springsteen had sexually assaulted one of the victims. Neither Pierce nor Wellburn ever confessed to anything involving the crime, though. And based solely on these statements, all four boys were charged with capital murder. Scott received life in prison. Springsteen was sentenced to death. And if you go back, back and listen to any of these interrogations, which I did while doing some of the research for this episode, you can really hear how flawed these interrogations were. The police keep asking leading questions. It's like they know that the boys have no idea what happened in this crime, so they keep asking them things like, well, did you sexually assault them? Well, then what did you do?
Starting point is 00:11:56 Did you go over to one of them after that? And it's really the sexual assault element that they're leading them towards. One of the boys actually ended up asking for a lawyer during his interrogation, but he was ignored by the cops and ultimately never received one. And despite how chaotic the scene was at the time of the attack, none of the four boys left a shred of DNA, ballistics, or any physical evidence that they had ever been there. And now one of them was sentenced to die for this crime. Luckily though, the convictions did collapse on appeal.
Starting point is 00:12:31 The confessions were riddled with inconsistencies on top of the lack of physical evidence and there really was just not enough to actually convict them. Over the next couple of decades, investigators chased more than 1,200 suspects and countless confessions that all proved to be false. The case remained unsolved
Starting point is 00:12:51 until a dramatic break, nearly 35 years after the girls were murdered. The big break in the case was set into motion by an act that was actually signed into law just three years ago in 2022. It was called the Homicide Victims' Families' Rights Act of 2021, and it was motivated by the yogurt shop murders specifically. The law was enacted to make sure that the latest technological advances were being used
Starting point is 00:13:20 to help solve cold cases. And this set off a really lucky chain of events in this case. So in 1991, when the swabs were taken on the bodies for DNA, the forensic technology didn't really allow for DNA to be used to test. against suspects' DNA, they just didn't have that technology yet. But in 2022, they did. And the police could pursue new leads in the case using this new type of DNA testing that was available to them. And that same year, a man named Dan Jackson became head of the awesome police department's unsolved homicide unit. And he decided that he wanted to take another look into the case.
Starting point is 00:13:58 This reopened it for a third time. And in June of this year, Dan Jackson, pulled out two really crucial pieces of evidence for retesting. The first was the bullet casing from a 380 caliber gun. That bullet hadn't been tested through this one database called the National Integrated Ballistics Information Network in years. So Dan decided he was going to create a new profile for this bullet casing and run it through that system again, just to see if there were any matches.
Starting point is 00:14:29 And lo and behold, there were. He got a match. It seemed like the gun that was used in the yogurt shop murders had potentially been used in an unsolved murder in Kentucky. And that murder shared some really weird coincidences with the yogurt shop murders. Because in that unsolved murder, a woman was sexually assaulted and then fatally shot,
Starting point is 00:14:52 just like one of the girls in the yogurt shop murders had been. And that really got Dan thinking, and it made him pretty optimistic. Were these done by the same guy? and if so, did that mean his DNA was now in a system somewhere? Well, DNA material was collected in 1991 at the yogurt shop from underneath Amy's fingernails. It had never been tested because back then the technology just wasn't good enough and they didn't have enough DNA to run more than one test on it.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Or really to even upload it to CODIS or the combined DNA index system, which is a national database that lets crime labs share and computer. pair DNA profiles. It uses technology to match DNA from crime scenes to other cases or to known criminals, helping investigators connect violent crimes and find suspects. They only had from this little sample of DNA the suspects Y chromosome DNA, but it was at least something that could potentially lead them to the right person at some point. So what Dan did was he sent the profile of the DNA that they had to individual police departments around the country. And he asked them to manually check it against profiles that they already had in their system.
Starting point is 00:16:10 This was an incredibly tedious way to do this process. And I can only imagine that part of him was worried that other police departments simply wouldn't do this because of how tedious it was. But really, this was the only chance he had. And then just like with the ballistics testing, he got, a match from a police department in Greenville, South Carolina. The DNA tested matched DNA from the perpetrator of a sexual assault and murder that was committed in the area. And not only did the DNA match, but there was an eerily specific similarity between the two
Starting point is 00:16:48 cases. The victims were tied up using their own clothing, which had happened in the yogurt shop murders and also happened in that case. Now, the crime that had shared DNA with the yogurt shop. murders had been unsolved for decades, but in 2018, thanks to a genealogist named Cece Moore, the perpetrator had been named, and it was not anyone that police had on their radar. But just like that, 34 years later, the killer in the yogurt shop murders was finally identified as a man named Robert Eugene Brashers.
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Starting point is 00:19:18 His name coming up as the perpetrator was completely out of left field. Brashers was a serial killer, a mass murderer, and a rapist whose crimes spanned multiple states. Sadly, the yogurt shop murders were not the only murders he committed in his pretty extensive career as a killer. The year before the yogurt shop murders, he killed a 28-year-old woman named Jenny Zittricki by strangling her with her panty hose in her apartment. He also shot and killed a 38-year-old woman named Sherry Shearer and her 12-year-old daughter, Megan, in Missouri. in 1998. Both of these victims had been tied up and Megan had been sexually assaulted,
Starting point is 00:20:00 which also matched what happened at the yogurt shop. He killed women and children in Florida, South Carolina, Texas, Missouri, and Tennessee, making it incredibly difficult for police to catch him. But the craziest thing of all is his crimes remained unsolved until 2018 because that's when a genealogist named C.C. Moore was looking back through old cold cases. and was able to name him as a suspect in three murders and several rapes that dated back to 1990.
Starting point is 00:20:30 But at that point, unfortunately, Brasher's was already dead. He had taken his own life in 1999 during a standoff with police. At the time, police were investigating him for a stolen vehicle. But when he saw them at his door, he proceeded to hold his wife, daughter, and two stepdaughter's hostage and ultimately took his own life. And his crimes could have died with him, honestly. but Cece Moore was able to have his body exhumed to collect DNA after she started making these connections almost 20 years later. She's basically the only reason that Brasher's was in any system and connected to any crime, period.
Starting point is 00:21:09 And ultimately, she's the reason he was able to be tied to the yogurt shop murders. But some people, despite this DNA match, still have some questions. Was Brasher's alone when he committed this crime? Remember, there were two men that were seen in the shop when the last customer left. Was it Brasher's and someone else potentially? Or were these two guys in the shop totally unrelated to the crime in general? Now, Brashers was known to work alone, so it is kind of unlikely that he had anyone with him in the yogurt shop. And at the end of the day, only his DNA was found at the scene.
Starting point is 00:21:46 So we may never know exactly what happened that night, but there's at least a little bit of closure for families that I am sure they never thought they would see. I read that one of the girls' sisters actually said that she thought she was going to die not knowing who did this. So it is amazing that she was able to get this level of closure in her lifetime. And honestly, that's part of the reason that I wanted to do this episode now. Like I said, it's Thanksgiving here in the States, and I like to spend some time thinking of things to be thankful for during this season. And one of the things is the big leaps in technology made in the last few years that are helping families like this find closure. I mean, I maybe mentioned this before, but last year, producer Matt and I lived in
Starting point is 00:22:31 Austin, and we talked to people who remembered these girls, who were friends with these girls and had gone to school with them. We even talked to people who were friends with the boys, the one that was sentenced to death for this crime. It was still this really open, gaping wound in the community, I would say, and I'm sure some of you can relate to that because I know some of you guys come from towns that also have these really visceral crimes that have remained unsolved for decades. So I can only hope that this at least brings a little bit of closure to the people of Austin and that we keep making these big leaps and technology that are closing cold cases around the country. I will say, though, not every cold case is committed by a complete stranger. sometimes all it takes to solve a cold case is a re-examination of the people closest to the victim, because sometimes that's where you find the killer.
Starting point is 00:23:26 March 2013 in Cleveland was colder than it had been in the past few years. A man walking along a frozen sidewalk had himself bundled up to protect against that cold, when something that was laying near the street caught his eye. He pulled his hood back to try to get a better look, And that's when he threw his hand over his mouth to stifle a scream. What he was looking at was a body. And from what he could tell, it looked like a woman. And there was blood pooling all around her,
Starting point is 00:23:55 leaking out of stab wounds that he could see. Police would quickly identify this woman as Elisa Sherman, a 53-year-old fertility nurse and mother. She had four children that she loved fiercely. Her daughter recalls how her mother was always an advocate for her to be strong and independent. She was admired in her community for her kindness and her generosity, which made her murder all the more puzzling to police. The attack that ended her life happened midday on March 24th, 2013,
Starting point is 00:24:25 near the Ereview Plaza in downtown Cleveland. The murder was carried out in broad daylight, and she was stabbed at least 10 times. The attack was brutal, and it was very public, yet no one saw it happened, or at least, no one came forward as a witness. Police figured that the attacker must have fled through a nearby alley, so they must have been able to stay out of view of all the people around,
Starting point is 00:24:52 and no murder weapon was ever recovered near the crime scene. However, video footage that was taken from a nearby business shows someone wearing a heavy black coat running away from the scene. It was impossible to identify exactly who the person was, but it was believed that that was the attacker, though who exactly was it? Was this just a random stranger who had done this? Or did someone who knew Elisa target her intentionally?
Starting point is 00:25:22 Well, the police started going through Alisa's records, and that's when they got their first bombshell clue. It turns out, at the time of her death, she was in the middle of a very volatile divorce. Going back to 2000, the police had been called to the Sherman's house 22 times. for reports of domestic disturbances. By 2013, Alisa and her husband had decided that they were going to separate, though that separation was not going well by any means. On March 24th, the day of
Starting point is 00:25:53 her murder, Elisa was preparing for an upcoming court date. She was actually on her way to her attorney's office when she was killed by this unknown attacker. And now oftentimes when a woman is murdered, the natural focus and the investigation is going to be on her husband or her partner. And there was reason to think that Elisa's husband, Sanford Sherman, was involved. Now, the couple, like I had mentioned, had a history of domestic disputes during their marriage that didn't stop once they decided they were going to get a divorce. And quickly after the police started looking into this, more started coming out that really did not look good for Sanford. Now, after Elisa's death, the couple's daughter, Jennifer Sherman, filed a civil suit against her
Starting point is 00:26:37 dad over how he had handled Elisa's estate. One of the claims that the daughter made was that Sanford had forged her mother's signature on a bunch of important documents, like a power of attorney that gave him access to withdraw funds from one of her accounts. And over the next six years, the account was completely drained by him. When Sanford was asked by Jennifer, why her mother's signature looked so different on that document from every other document that she had signed, he said that some days Elisa's motor skills were affected negatively by dehydration and exhaustion. So, yeah, according to Sanford, she was just dehydrated the day that she gave him access to her biggest bank account.
Starting point is 00:27:23 And when police started digging into this even more, they found emails that Elisa had sent to her divorce lawyer, Gregory Moore, where she complained about not remembering signing those documents and feeling like she would have never knowingly signed away her accounts. During the civil trial that Jennifer brought, it was also revealed that Sanford had been engaged in an extramarital affair at the time. It was also revealed that Sanford one time entered a strip club under a fake identity. He was aggressively coming on to one of the dancers, and then he threatened to kill her and her father when she didn't reciprocate those advances. And on top of all of that, it also came to light that Sanford allegedly solicited advice from someone about the best way to commit a, quote, perfect murder.
Starting point is 00:28:12 And on January 12th, 2012, which was a little over a year before her murder, Elisa had written to her divorce attorney saying, quote, I am really afraid he is going to have me killed. So obviously, the police started circling Sanford. But even with all of the information they had, everything that had had had. everything that had come out about him, about the marriage and the divorce with Elisa, the investigation really stalled there. Police were never able to find any physical evidence present at the crime scene or on Elisa's body that could place Sanford at her murder. Sanford seemed also to get a lawyer immediately and police never brought him in for formal
Starting point is 00:28:52 questioning, though I really don't know why. Either they weren't pursuing this investigation all that seriously, or there was something about the crime that made them think that someone else had killed Elisa. Almost an entire decade would pass without any information on this case. But then in 2021, Attorney General David Yost and his team at the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigations or BCI got called in to help on this case. They had more bandwidth than the Cleveland police had to take on difficult cold cases, and they also were there to kind of serve as fresh eyes on something that Cleveland authorities had already really raked through over the last eight years. The BCI also had better and more tools.
Starting point is 00:29:37 They had a bigger lab to process evidence, and they had more time to be able to put together a meticulous minute-by-minute reconstruction of Alisa's day using digital evidence. And there was a lot of digital evidence for them to go through. To start, there were the texts where Elisa said she was meeting her divorce attorney at his office at 4.30. p.m. on the day of her murder. The authorities realized that the last person she was set to see was Gregory Moore, her lawyer. So they started revisiting some more of the digital evidence surrounding him, and they found a few very strange inconsistencies. First, they noticed that the day of the murder, Gregory's phone was disconnected from his cellular network for around three hours, all around the
Starting point is 00:30:25 time of the attack. The cell phone was still connected to data via hotspots, but not to cellular data. This meant the device wasn't pinging cell towers, which would create a map of the movements and location of the person using the device. The phone was then reconnected after the attack had taken place, and Gregory started to make phone calls, and he started sending text to Elisa asking where she was. And that all happened between 5.41 p.m. and 6.43 p.m. And then a few days after that, Gregory got rid of that phone and got a new one entirely. They also noticed that Gregory's key card had been swiped at the entrance to his office that day at 3.51 p.m. But he never actually entered.
Starting point is 00:31:10 And when police went to gather footage from the building's security camera that would have been taken before, during, and after the attack, they discovered something very clearly suspicious. There were 21 minutes missing from the security footage from the time when Elisa must have been attacked. Only 21 minutes of footage taken during a very crucial time frame had disappeared. Now, there was more missing evidence that they would eventually discover, like a voicemail that Elisa left for Gregory that day. The message had been deleted on March 25th, which was the day after her murder, without
Starting point is 00:31:45 first giving it to law enforcement. But why would her divorce lawyer, of all people involved in this case, want Elisa dead? well, the police found something in Gregory's records that might provide them with an answer. In July of 2012, three separate employees at the old Cuyahoga County Domestic Relations Court in Ohio received calls that a bomb was in the building and was going to go off at 1130 a.m. The courthouse was evacuated and the trials that were scheduled for that day were all postponed and, of course, panic ensued. ultimately it was discovered that there was no bomb in the courthouse and that the calls were coming from Gregory Moore,
Starting point is 00:32:30 who had a case he allegedly did not feel prepared for going to trial that day. The point being, he had a track record of pulling elaborate stunts in order to push off trial dates for cases that he didn't think he was ready for. It's now believed that Gregory intentionally lured Elisa to his office that day, knowing that he needed to come up with a way to stall her trial. When Aliza arrived at his office, she texted him that she was there, and then Gregory texted back that he would be down in just a moment, but he didn't arrive. So a few minutes later, Alisa texted him again,
Starting point is 00:33:06 saying that it was cold out and she was just going to go wait in her car. And again, Gregory said he was just going to be down in a little bit. But investigators don't believe that he was ever inside of the building to begin with. And it's after those texts were exchanged. that the attacker approached Elisa and began stabbing her. Earlier this year, Moore was indicted on charges including aggravated murder, conspiracy, and two counts of kidnapping.
Starting point is 00:33:32 However, it's still unknown if he had a co-conspirator. Was it really Gregory in the video running away from the scene or was someone else involved? Now, there are people online who believe that the other man was Sanford, who helped maybe orchestrate the whole thing, though I haven't really found any evidence that that actually was the case. But while this is not officially solved just yet, no one has been officially charged with the murder of Elisa.
Starting point is 00:34:01 An arrest has finally been made in this murder case, and a trial has been set for early 2026. One of this week's partners is Grooons. I'm using Spring as a reset button. I'm changing up my routines, getting back to being consistent, and really focusing on my health this year. That is where Grooons comes in. Grooons are a convenient, comprehensive formula packed into a snack pack of gummies a day.
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Starting point is 00:37:32 It was late morning on September 20th in 2006 in Douglas, Georgia, when a 911 dispatcher answered a call. At first, they couldn't make out what the man on the other end of the line was saying because he was so hysterical. In between sobs, the man identified himself as John Worrell. His wife, he said, was dead. He had come back to the business that they ran together, this indoor sports park,
Starting point is 00:37:56 to see that she had been shot in what must have been a robbery gone wrong. When the police arrived at the scene, they found John crumbled on the ground next to the body of his wife, Doris. And even before they had done an autopsy, it was clear to investigators that she had died by,
Starting point is 00:38:13 a gunshot wound to the head. Doris was only 39 at the time of her death. She had previously worked as a teacher and interior designer before deciding that she was going to give up her career for a little while and stay home to raise her in John's three children. Doris was active and she was a beloved member of both her church and local civic organizations. People described her as being gentle and artistic
Starting point is 00:38:38 and endlessly devoted to her kids, which once again made this murder all the more senseless. And as I said earlier, the spouse of a murdered woman is usually who police look into first. So John had to sit with the police and take them through his movements for the day. It was 11.15 a.m. when he said he discovered his wife's body. And according to him, he had left to go to the hardware store at around 9.40 in the morning. He hadn't been at their business, which was closed at the time of the shooting when Doris must have been killed. And his alibi was quickly corroborated and he was ruled out of being involved.
Starting point is 00:39:15 There was, however, one other person at the sports park that day who would have witnessed the crime or at least been there when it happened. And that was Doris's 18-year-old nanny, Paola Yarberry. Paola was cleaning a different area of the indoor sports park when she heard a gun go off. But she explained to police that she didn't see who it was who had fired and she didn't witness them coming in or out of the business. Now, the sports park that the couple ran was called John's Sports Park. Any local kid could come spend the weekends or some days during summer vacation to go go
Starting point is 00:39:50 carting. They also had mini golf and indoor areas for soccer and basketball. Security cameras covered almost every square inch of the park on the inside. However, there were a few spots that were not covered by cameras. And one of those blind spots was the office where Doris was. killed, which meant the shooting wasn't captured on camera. And so police started wondering if this really was a robbery gone wrong, or did someone who was very familiar with the inside of this building intentionally target Doris? Police asked John who would have wanted Doris dead. Like, did she have
Starting point is 00:40:29 any enemies? It was kind of hard to talk to John during this time, though, because he was so distraught and inconsolable over his wife's death. But he worked with them to make a list of any disgruntled employees that the business had. The police were wondering if there was someone who had been fired by the couple or maybe someone that had been banned from the park. And that ended up leading to the arrest of two men. These guys, Glidden Rodriguez and Brandon Cage. Glidden had been an employee of John Sports Park, but Cage hadn't been. There were reports that one of them had been banned from the park. So police figured that maybe they murdered Doris and retaliation. They were eventually arrested on charges of conspiracy to commit murder. However,
Starting point is 00:41:14 prosecutors dropped their case. There just wasn't enough evidence to pin it on these two young guys. And after those charges were dropped, police were really back at square one in the investigation. They didn't know necessarily where to go next, but there was one witness that they wanted to check back in with. In 2007, while she was eating lunch with her friends, police arrested Paola Yarberry, Doris's nanny who had been there when she was killed. They felt like she maybe knew more about the crime than she had let on. They also knew that she was an immigrant who the Worrells were helping get a green card, and they were able to use her immigration status as kind of a bargaining chip against her.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Basically, they told her, tell us what you know or you're going to go back to Venezuela. But Paola insisted she didn't know anything. She called John for help, but he had already relocated him. and his children to Florida. He was just too sad to stay in the same neighborhood where his wife had been murdered. And so without any support, Paola was forced to leave the country. But also, there really wasn't enough evidence that she had been involved in any way or that she knew something she wasn't telling the police. So after Paola left, the case just went cold. Over the years, there were some small movements in this cold case, but nothing revelatory. Eventually, John moved his kids to Costa
Starting point is 00:42:34 Rika. In 2022, police searched a nearby pond for the murder weapon, but that search came up completely empty. There was no gun there. The business that John and Doris owned struggled for a while before it just shut down completely. There had been billboards put up around the community pleading for anyone with any information to come forward and help solve this case. But all of those billboards became faded by the sun over the following years, and eventually you couldn't even read the helpline number on them. The number of people who called in asking for updates on Doris's case dwindled, but one of Doris's sisters, Leanne Tuggle, refused to give up hope that she would get justice. She worked tirelessly on her sister's case over the following 20 years, even when the police
Starting point is 00:43:21 seemed to stop. And it was Leanne who would inform police of a shocking development. Not a development in the case so much as a change within the Worrell family. See, after John took the kids and relocated from Georgia to Florida, Leanne never heard from him again. No one endorsed his family had, actually. And they were shocked to learn when he moved all of them to Costa Rica. Not necessarily because Costa Rica felt like a random place to move the family to. I mean, John had no ties to the country.
Starting point is 00:43:56 He wasn't from there or anything. But it was strange because Leanne. Anne knew of someone else that was living in Costa Rica at the time. The family's nanny, Paola. Yeah. Leanne was able to update the police that she discovered John and Paola were lovers, and he had moved the kids there to be with her. Now, John had moved to Costa Rica to be with Paola only two years after Doris's death,
Starting point is 00:44:22 but it wouldn't be until years later that police knew about this, partly because of Leanne's discovery, but also partly. because they got a call from Paola herself. And that brings us to this year, 2025, almost 20 years after the murder took place. Paola was ready to talk to the police. This was the same nanny who was only 18 years old
Starting point is 00:44:46 when she worked for the Wharles back in 2006. So honestly, calling her and John Lovers doesn't even seem right in this situation. The story that Paola told police was that there was a lot of marital turmoil between John and Doris. She said their marriage wasn't really the happy image that they tried to project to those around them.
Starting point is 00:45:06 John confided in Paola, who again was a teenager at the time, that he was scared he was going to lose the children if he divorced Doris. And that's when he told her that he was looking for someone who could do something that couldn't be undone, something that would make his life much easier.
Starting point is 00:45:27 It seems like Paola knew about, this plan, but hadn't really done much in way of orchestrating it. Because again, she was a teenager at the time. On May 20th of 2025, what would have been two days after Doris's 57th birthday, John was arrested and charged with her murder. His charges included malice murder, felony murder, aggravated battery and conspiracy to commit murder. Police were now convinced that it was John who at least orchestrated the murder of Doris, though he might not have been the the one to actually carry it out. They basically alleged that he hired someone to kill Doris.
Starting point is 00:46:04 Yes, Paola had been there when the murder took place. She had heard the shot. But she was terrified for her own life at that point. She had now been involved in a man who was not afraid to take the life of a woman that he had no more use for. But she decided she was not going to say anything to the police. John was extradited from Costa Rica to Coffee County, Georgia after this arrest took place. on June 10th, 2025, less than one month after the arrest, a grand jury indicted him. And two weeks later, John entered a not guilty plea.
Starting point is 00:46:39 This pained Doris's sister, Leanne, but she said, quote, I'm not surprised that's the way he pled. Eventually, John's bond was denied because he was deemed a flight risk. Years of relocation, including one actual flight from the country, will do that to you. And now partly because of the case being paid. picked up on social media and partly because the case was such a big deal in Coffee County where it was committed, his defense team is seeking a change in venue because they don't think he's going to get a fair trial there. At this time, his trial is still pending. Getting justice for a murdered family member or friend does not get rid of the pain or grief
Starting point is 00:47:16 of such a devastating and violent loss. It's not going to get them back. That damage has already been done. But hopefully, there is some ounce of solace in knowing that the the person who ripped them away from you has been named. As technology and DNA forensics continue to develop, it means that more of these cold cases will be able to be solved, cases that have been sitting with zero developments for years, and in some cases, decades. One of these cases that I keep coming back to
Starting point is 00:47:45 that I really hope I can put on the list of cold cases solved this year, next year in 2026, is that of Aisha Degree. If you don't know the case of Aisha Degree, we did a big deep dive on that case over on Clue. my other podcast. But it feels like we are so incredibly close to solving it. That was another one where there were no developments after this little girl vanished in the middle of the night for 20 years. And then all of a sudden within the last four years, it seems like we've maybe found the people who are responsible. We just need the DNA evidence, any forensic evidence, but hers is
Starting point is 00:48:20 one that I think about all the time. And that's why I wanted to do this episode, this Thanksgiving season, because a lot of what we cover here at heart source pounding is very dark. It's a little morbid. But there's a lot of good that can come from these kinds of episodes and by talking about these cases and just making people aware of stuff. So I am happy these cases were solved. I'm going to include, if you want to join me over on footnotes, which is our heart size pounding after show that we do over on the Patreon at the High Council tier. I'm going to go through a couple of more things that were solved this year in 2025 just because of breaks and technology. Sometimes it's a deathbed confess. and you never know. And I can't wait to see which cases end up on this list next year. But that is all I
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