Clues with Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore - Who Wrote the Note? The Case of Faith Hedgepeth

Episode Date: September 23, 2026

In September 2012, 19-year-old Faith Hedgepeth was found beaten to death in her off-campus apartment outside Chapel Hill, NC, hours after a night out with her roommate. Beside her body was a fast-food... bag with a message scrawled across it: "I'm not stupid b****, jealous." Over the next nine years, police DNA-tested hundreds of people and cleared every one. Now, Morgan and Kaelyn follow the clues in one of North Carolina's longest-running investigations.Head over to our Clues YouTube channel to WATCH this episode: https://www.youtube.com/@CluesPodIf you’re new here, don’t forget to follow Clues to never miss a case! To hear episodes ad-free and released a day early, subscribe to Crime House+. Join at crimehouseplus.com or if you’re listening on Apple Podcasts, tap “Try Free” at the top of this show’s page. Clues is a Crime House Original Podcast, powered by PAVE Studios.🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to other Crime House Originals including Crime House 24/7, Crimes Of Reddit, Serial Killers & Murderous Minds, Murder True Crime Stories and more wherever you get your podcasts!Follow us on SocialYouTube: @CluesPod | @crimehousestudiosInstagram: @cluespodcast | @CrimehouseTikTok: @CrimehouseFacebook: @crimehousestudiosX: @crimehousemediaClues is hosted by Morgan Absher & Kaelyn Moore Instagram: @morgsyabsher | @itskaelynmooreTikTok: @twohottakes | @heartstartspoundingEpisode Sponsors:Get started today at https://www.StitchFix.com/CLUES to get $20 off your first order. Machine Washable Rugs, Made Better. For a limited time only, our listeners get 10% off + free shipping at https://www.tumbleliving.com/CLUES #Tumble #adGet started now at ⁠⁠https://www.HelloAlma.com/CLUES Upgrade your sleep with Boll & Branch. Get 15% off your first order plus free shipping at https://www.BollAndBranch.com/clues with code clues.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi everyone, Carter Roy here. Before today's episode, I want to tell you about my crime house show Murder True Crime Stories. Join me every Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday, as I explore history's most notorious murders like you've never heard before. Follow murder, true crime stories available wherever you listen to podcasts. This is Crime House. A 19-year-old aspiring pediatrician is bludgeoned to death in her own bed. She's a young. found partially nude, wrapped in a bloody comforter, a rum bottle tangled in the sheets, and a taunting note left behind. Everyone had a theory, but they were all wrong. After more than 100 DNA tests and nine long years, finally an arrest is made. And the person in cuffs is someone no one would have seen coming. Hi guys, welcome to clues. I'm Morgan Apscher, your internet Detective. And I'm Kayla Moore, your deep dive researcher. And before we dive into this one, a bit of a sad
Starting point is 00:01:23 announcement for you guys. Today is my last episode of Clues. It's been a tough, difficult, difficult decision. But I know the show's in good hands. I'm going to be here still holding it down. Holding down the fort for us. Life has just gone so busy. There's so many things I'm working on for too at takes. And it's probably what's best for clues at this point, you know, busy, busy gal over here. But it's going to help ensure that the coverage of these cases continues to make the impact that, you know, we set out that it does. Yeah. An impact. A victim-centered, victim-focused impact, and really creating change in the true crime space. It's what's most important. So in order to ensure that, I'm going to be stepping away. And I just want to be clear, because I know people on the
Starting point is 00:02:11 internet go crazy. Kaelan and I are good. Even though we're sad. We're so sad. It's not a light decision, but I appreciate you guys for making this journey so meaningful and impactful for me. And the true crime world, I really think we are making a difference here in the way we talk about these victims and these cases. So thank you for joining us on this ride. Yeah. And I am going to stick around. I'm going to be here with you guys every week too. She's not going anywhere. I'm not going anywhere. And I'm actually going to have, maybe you all know her, Sabrina, from the Two Girls One Ghost and also Crimes of Reddit show. She's going to be subbing in for Morgan. But don't worry, I'm going to be here still, like, steering this ship. The show is going to stay the same. I'm going to see you guys
Starting point is 00:02:55 here every week. Again, like, we're not done working together. We've got a collaboration coming out, me, you and Angela. Yes. And Heart starts pounding very soon. We just recorded that. To our takes collab soon. I mean, we've got a lot of fun stuff in the works. So stick around. And we are literally patching this in after recording the whole case because I was like, I don't want to cry through the whole episode. So we're punching this in. And it is a very important case with a lot of big updates. So buckle up and let's dive in.
Starting point is 00:03:34 And a quick reminder for anyone watching on YouTube, you're going to see some pictures, videos, maps, things that will help you visualize the case. And if you're listening on audio, you can find all that same stuff on our Instagram at Clues Podcast. You'd follow us over there anyways. And just a warning. Before we begin, this episode does contain discussions of murder, substance use, domestic violence, burglary, anti-indigenous bias, and sexual assault. So please listen with care. And with that, this case begins on Thursday, September 6th, 2012. So classes at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, aka UNC, have just wrapped for the day.
Starting point is 00:04:09 That leaves 19-year-old junior Faith Hedgebeth free to attend a rush event at a local. apartment complex. She's pledging with the Native American sorority, Alpha Pi Omega. Now, Faith is a member of the Hollywessa Pony tribe. The Native community is a very big part of Faith's life. She volunteers with the on-campus American Indian Center. She grew up dancing at powwows. She sings in a native aquapella group called Unheard Voices. Plus, she's an honor student. She's on her way to becoming the very first in her family to graduate from college. So not wanting to be late to this rush event. She arrives so early. Like, so early, it's a little bit awkward to even go in yet. So she waits in her car until a friend, a fellow junior, Yuna Victoria Chavis, arrives, and then they can go in together.
Starting point is 00:04:56 Once she's over her nerves, Faith fits right in at the rush event. But she leaves at around 7.15 p.m. to go work on a paper. At 8 p.m., she's studying at the Davis Library on campus. She's joined by her roommate, Karina Rosario, also a junior. And while she's there, Faith, tech. with her dad, Roland Hedgepeth, who's been having a hard day. She senses that he needs help, so she sends him a text saying, quote, just have faith, daddy. I promise it'll work out. Around 11.30 p.m., she and Karina head for their shared apartment about a 10-minute drive from campus. The complex, Hawthorne at the View, is quiet, it's tree-lined,
Starting point is 00:05:35 it's very residential. They arrive at around midnight, and now it's officially September 7th, 2012, and they quickly get ready so that they can head back out. By 12.30 a.m., they're on their way to a nightclub called The Thrill. It's right next to campus. And the best part about this club, the thrill, at least for UNC students, is that you don't have to be 21 to get in. So the girls arrive at 1240 in the morning. Witnesses say Karina drank between one and four shots, and then she had one or two tequila slushies. Faith has one or two drinks, but she turns down everything else. And that is because she's driving. Around 2 a.m., Carina starts feeling sick. So together, they leave at around 220 a.m. They grab Bates' car from the garage across the street. They get back to
Starting point is 00:06:24 their apartment between 245 and 3 a.m. So according to Carina, Faith grabbed her a trash can so she could throw up. And then Carina goes into her bedroom, throws up, and then proceeds to go into the bathroom and kind of flop around on the floor for a while. And you know, according to to Karina, there was a lot going on in her personal life at the time. It's kind of all hitting at once this night. So on top of vomiting from having drank so much, she's also crying and she's texting two of her guy friends. One of them is a 19-year-old UNC soccer player named Jordan McCrary. He's been at the thrill earlier too. And at 4.4 a.m., he agrees to pick Karina up and bring her to his place, which he shares with a roommate. At 4.25 in the morning,
Starting point is 00:07:08 Karina leaves. But as she's doing so, she forgets to lock the door. Maybe it's because she's been drinking that night, but she doesn't lock the door behind her. She just gets into Jordan's car and she goes. The next morning, Jordan has to leave his place at around 8.30 in the morning to get to class, but Karina isn't ready to leave just yet, so she stays behind while he goes. She tries to call Faith to come pick her up and take her to school, but Faith's not answering her phone. This is so classic college student. Karina just assumes that she overslept. I mean, they were out the night before they were drinking. So at around 10 a.m., she calls a mutual friend Marisol Rangel. And at 1027 a.m., Marisol picks Karina up and they go stop by the apartment
Starting point is 00:07:52 before class so that Karina can check on Faith and help clean up and whatnot. When they get there at around 11 in the morning, Faith's car is still in the lot. So they know that she didn't leave her class without Karina. The two climb the stairs. They enter through the unlocked front door, and at first, they don't see Faith. That's until they step into the bedroom. And the first thing they notice when they walk in is that there's blood. Faith is on the floor between the bed and the desk. She is partially nude. She's covered in blood, and she's wrapped in a bloody comforter. It looks like she is two black eyes, and she's not moving. Karina goes ahead and calls 911, and she tells the dispatcher, quote, I just walked into my apartment and my friend, she's like, she's unconscious.
Starting point is 00:08:39 We're going to play a clip for you here. Indara 9-1-1. Where is your emergency? Hi. I just walked into my apartment and my friend is like to be unconscious. Okay. You say your friend is unconscious? He's unconscious. I just walked in the apartment and there looks like there's blood everywhere. Okay, listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. Somebody. everybody's already sending me ambulance. Okay, I need to get some information from you,
Starting point is 00:09:08 and I'm going to tell you how to help her, okay? Okay. Okay, how old is she? He's 19. Okay. I don't want to touch her, but... Listen to me. Is she breathing?
Starting point is 00:09:28 I don't know. You need to check and see. Is she breathing? I don't think so. Okay, listen to me. So I think from this call there was a little bit of confusion from the internet, just people online, because Karina's tone is, I think, to some people, a little confusing. The way she talks, her inflection is a little, like, it almost sounds blasé, but she is crying in this call. The dispatcher then instructs Karina to go over and check if faith is breathing, and that is when Karina discovers that faith is dead.
Starting point is 00:10:12 But before we get into how this investigation kicked off, let's take a little bit of a deeper look into Faith's life. So Faith Danielle Hedgepeth's parents didn't expect to raise an academic superstar, a future leader. They actually didn't expect to have a third kid at all. So back in 1992, Faith's mom, Connie Hedgepeth, was parenting two teenagers in Rocky Mount, North Carolina. And her marriage was unraveling because of her husband's substance use disorder. so having another child was not really on the horizon for her. But soon, Connie did learn that she was pregnant. That is actually how Faith got her name.
Starting point is 00:10:49 The idea of a third child was so overwhelming that Connie had to lean on her faith just to believe that things would be okay. And everything turned out better than okay when Faith was born on September 26, 1992. From the start, Faith was a special kid. She was cheerful, happy, go lucky, full of enthusiasm. Her parents did separate when she was really little. And she did end up partly being raised by her teen siblings, 17-year-old Rolanda and 14-year-old Chad. Faith then became an aunt on her first birthday when 18-year-old Rolanda gave birth to a little girl. The two grew up like sisters.
Starting point is 00:11:23 Rolanda was usually watching both of them while Connie worked hard to support her family. Her family said that it was clear from very early on that Faith was academically gifted. But her biggest gift of all was her people skills. Everyone loved Faith. She was the type of girl who joined every club, every team. She volunteered for any assignment. Growing up, she was a cheerleader. She also would dance in her tribe's annual powwows.
Starting point is 00:11:48 She joined the National Honor Society. She volunteered with the North Carolina Native Youth Organization. That is just to name a few. She has a very robust resume. She's also deeply involved in her Baptist church. She joined the youth choir there and the usher board. She also was on the praise team. And at the time, she had this on and off relationship with a child.
Starting point is 00:12:08 childhood friend named Alex Demerie. He was a fellow tribe member that she met while she was back in high school. She had dated some other guys during their off periods, but her hometown sweetheart was always very special to her. With all of her accomplishments, nobody was surprised when Faith earned a full scholarship to UNC. But UNC was more than academics for Faith. She also felt like it was helping her father, Roland, heal an old wound. See, he had attended UNC himself, but he dropped out to work after Faith's older siblings came along. Afterwards, he developed substance use disorders and he struggled throughout Faith's life, but she made a point to stay in touch with her dad.
Starting point is 00:12:46 She never judged him even after her parents separated. She talked to her dad several times a week. She spent every single birthday with him, and she could not wait for him to watch her walk across the graduation stage finishing what he started. Faith was so eager for college that she actually started early in the summer of 2010 when she was just 17 years old. She joined a program called Summer Bridge that let her live on campus and earned credits the summer before her freshman year. And that is where she met her close friend and fellow native student, Univ Victoria Chavis. And once her freshman year began, she met Karina Rosario
Starting point is 00:13:22 too. But the transition into college was not exactly a smooth one. School typically came easy for faith. She was incredibly good at school. But with her busy schedule at UNC, she struggled academically for the first time in her life. And there was also the fact that UNC was a big party school. She's a very social girl, too. Like, the party scene started becoming kind of distracting for her. She got tons of invitations to go out and she had a hard time saying no to them. Eventually, she realized she was going to have to lock in a little bit more. She stopped dancing at powwows because she wanted to focus on her grades. She took the spring 2012 semester off, actually so that she could have this reset. And thanks to her early start, she had enough credits
Starting point is 00:14:08 to afford it, so it was pretty easy for her to do. But not being enrolled, and this is something that a lot of students deal with actually, meant that she wasn't getting financial aid. So she was going to be strapped for cash until the fall. So in order to help herself out, Faith got a part-time job. She was waitressing at Red Robin. It didn't really pay enough to live on. So from April 2012 to the end of July, she subleased her friend Una Chavis's room while Una went home for the summer. Supposedly, when Yuna came back, she wanted Faith to stay on as her roommate, but Faith just couldn't afford it until that fall financial aid came through. So in early August, she moved into Carina's one bedroom on the border of Chapel Hill and Durham as this stopgap. It was not very convenient.
Starting point is 00:14:56 The bathroom in this place didn't even have a door and you have two girls living in there, but she would tell herself, this is just a job. This is just temporary. I'm just doing this until my financial aid kicks back in and then I can get some more better. And between the classes, the parties, Faith's job, I mean, we all did this. You just basically treat your living situation as a place to sleep. It's not like you're really hanging out there all that much. Faith was also just very focused on getting her grades back up, getting her diploma, you know, finishing the thing that her dad started. To her, the bachelor degree was just the first step in her academic career. She wanted to go home to her tribal community and help kids as a pediatrician, maybe a teacher, whatever she was going to be, it was clear that she had so much potential and a beautiful life ahead of her. But that was unfortunately all taken from her in early September of 2012. This episode is brought to you by Bowlin Branch.
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Starting point is 00:17:46 the unexpected items in Faith and Karina's apartment. While Karina waited for the first responders to arrive, the 911 operator walked her through checking Faith's vitals. After Karina reported the body was cold to the touch, the operator told her to leave the bedroom without touching anything else. Heading back to the living room, Karina told the operator, quote,
Starting point is 00:18:07 I don't know what's going on. Like, there's stuff in my room that, like, was not here before. Looks like someone had came in here, end quote. At 11.09 a.m. Chapel Hill Police Department arrived and confirmed that Faith was indeed dead. Rigor Mortis had actually set in. Investigators were then told about the out-of-place items Karina had mentioned, of which included a Bacardi rum bottle that was found twisted up in the bloody comforter around face body. There was dried blood on the outside of the bottle, including what looked like two bloody thumbprints. There were also what police called, quote, tissue fragments on it and a bottle of muskado wine that Karina didn't recognize, which was also taken into evidence and later found to have a left palm print and fingerprints on it.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Now, the wine bottle isn't the presumed murder weapon, so the tissue fragments are still a bit of a mystery and there are a lot of online speculative posts on Reddit about it. Like what? A lot of people question if the bottle could have been used to assault. Yeah. Okay, got it. There's a lot. But again, investigators, nothing has ever been confirmed in that regard. Because it's only ever been said tissue fragments.
Starting point is 00:19:23 There hasn't been any explanation. That's it. Now, police determined that Faith had been first attacked on the bed. And it was there that investigators found something disturbing, which is our second clue, a takeout bag from a local restaurant with a note scribbled on it. The note read, quote, I'm not stupid bitch, jealous. There's no punctuation. There are multiple ways to read it.
Starting point is 00:19:48 One is a single message. I'm not stupid bitch jealous. Another is two or three lines, possibly the exchange that I kind of read it as where it's like, I'm not stupid. Bitch, jealous. The handwriting all looks similar, but no analysis has ever been made public. Police did, however, locate the pen they believed was used and did collect that for DNA testing. I have seen in some sources that they speculated that it was written by someone's non-dominant hand because it just looked like it had been attempted to be hard to recognize as someone's actual handwriting.
Starting point is 00:20:24 Interesting. Yeah, yeah. Like someone was planning. Like I'm leaving this note, but I know they're going to trace it back to me, so I'm going to use my other hand. Mm-hmm. They also took Faith's purple HTC cell phone, her apartment key, her IBM laptop, the betting around her, and various items of clothing and paperwork. But that Bacardi bottle obviously seemed important right away. Now Faith's autopsy would confirm exactly how important it was, which is why the autopsy report is our third clue. Here is what was determined. Fath's body was found nude from the waist down, her shirt was pulled up over her head, and a bloody tampon was on the bed next to her. Because of that, police immediately suspected sexual assault, and during the autopsy and examination kit confirmed it, male DNA was recovered from her body in the form of semen. The medical examiner also tried to determine the cause and time of death. They found a cause. Faith was bludgeoned to death, likely with the Bacardi bottle. She died of blunt force trauma to the head. They said that she was likely attacked while sleeping, but it seems like she did wake up and
Starting point is 00:21:29 fought back. There was blood under her fingernails, plus cuts and bruises on her arms and legs from a struggle. The toxicology report put her blood alcohol level at 0.02% enough for a mild buzz and slightly impaired reflexes, but low enough to legally drive. But the time of death was actually a lot harder for them to pin down. A now deleted page on the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation's website gave a wide range of about two 40 a.m. to 11 a.m., which doesn't match the evidence since Faith's body was cold and stiff when investigators arrived at 11.09. And again, Karina left the apartment at 4.25 a.m. If Faith was killed while Karina was home in that tiny apartment, there's no way she could have missed it. Oh, it was a one
Starting point is 00:22:17 bedroom. And the bathroom door didn't close. Didn't have a door. Yeah. Granted, she's throwing up and having a difficult time, but like... Yeah, you would know. Faith was fighting back. Yeah. So without a precise time of death, checking alibis, obviously is going to prove to be a lot harder for investigators. But at least the autopsy found the most useful evidence of all, DNA. After submitting samples to lab, police learned the male profile was also on the takeout bag, the pen used to write on it, and the wine and liquor bottles. And, I mean, detectives are hoping at this point, we've got DNA. This is going to be open and shut. We're going to find exactly who this is. So their next logical step is to collect DNA from everyone closest to faith, exclude as many people as possible, and just work their way backwards to find their suspect.
Starting point is 00:23:05 And meanwhile, a crisis counselor from the Chapel Hill Police Department notified Faith's family about her murder. Now, all the police said publicly after Faith's family was notified was that they did not believe that this case was random. And because of that, they weren't concerned about a danger to the community. But behind the scenes, they were staying really active. So from September 7th to the 11th in 2012, the police filed for seven different search warrants. One was for the crime scene so that they could remove evidence. On September 9th, two days after the murder, police found a two-inch bloodstain on the lower bathroom doorframe of the apartment. And investigators returned again on September 10th, and they removed additional clothing, paperwork, Faith's wallet, and other items from the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:23:50 They also got a warrant to search Faith's car, a Nissan Ultima, that was registered to her mom, Connie. They also had a warrant for another car, a 1997 white Honda Accord that belonged to a man named Ronnie Edwards. The warrants were partially redacted, so we can't say for sure what the car's connection to Faith was, but we have a good guess based on text that investigators found on Faith's phone. Those texts and where they led are our fourth clue. In the hours before the murder, Faith sent two texts to the same. unsaved number. The first at 3.40 a.m. said, quote, Hey, B, can you come over here, please? Kriena needs you more, uh-huh. You know,
Starting point is 00:24:30 please let her know you care, end quote. The second at 3.43 a.m. just said, quote, then. Maybe an accidental text is what investigators assumed. The mystery number actually texted back at 4.16 p.m. five hours after Faith's body was found, saying only, quote, Who is this? Faith's friends eventually recognized the number. It belonged to a recent UNC grad named Brandon Edwards, who must have been related to Ronnie, who the white Honda Accord was registered to. Brandon was a senior in 2010 when Faith was a freshman. He'd met her and Karina through mutual friends, which is why I was surprising that Faith didn't have his number saved or vice versa. I mean, he had even spent the night at their apartment before. They had also texted,
Starting point is 00:25:20 at least once before in June or July, seemingly about going clubbing together as a group. Faith asked if he was ready to leave and how much it would cost to get in. They might have texted before that, too, but Faith's phone only held three months of history when it was seized. Nothing went back further than June. So either she deleted his number, maybe never saved to begin with. I mean, unclear, but her friend Marisol did give detectives a hint. Brandon and Karina had had a previous physical relationship. but at the time of the murder, they were just friends.
Starting point is 00:25:53 So detectives checked Karina's phone and found that she had been calling and texting Brandon that morning too. Four times between 344 and 414, but he never picked up. It seems like after Brandon didn't answer, then Karina reached out to Jordan, and that's who she left with to go back to his apartment at 4.25 a.m. Police eventually tracked Brandon down for his side of the story. He said he was in Raleigh about 40 miles away,
Starting point is 00:26:20 and when they asked to bring him in for an interview, he actually refused. He then scheduled a meeting for September 9th. However, he didn't show up to that. Finally, on September 10th, Brandon met with police. He called Faith a, quote, really good friend and said they'd spent a lot of time together the previous summer.
Starting point is 00:26:40 But we're not sure if the police ever asked why he didn't have a good friend's number saved. When I asked about Karina, Brandon said their relationships started off casual, but eventually she became overly possessive and he kind of distanced himself. But not entirely because he also admitted to sleeping on Faith in Karina's couch the night of September 5th, which is the night before the murder. As for why the two were trying so hard to reach him the night of the murder,
Starting point is 00:27:05 Brandon chalked it up to Karina being, quote, emotionally and hormonally imbalanced, end quote. He then doubled down with another quote, women do very stupid things when they're being hormonal. End quote. Bad energy from Brandon. I know. Bad energy? Bad energy?
Starting point is 00:27:27 Bad energy, I guess. On the watchboard. Okay, Brandon. In her interviews, Karina told a very different story. She said that she called and texted both Jordan and Brandon repeatedly because she didn't want to be home, which kind of raises the question to investigators. why? Was it, you know, someone trying to A-bar and, you know, feel lonely, or was there a reason she was really trying to get out of that apartment? So to understand that more, we need to take a look at our fifth clue, which is Karina's relationship with a man named Eric Tokoi Jones. The 21-year-old aspiring rapper was Karina's recent ex-boyfriend, who actually lived in that same apartment complex. And it turns out, Karina had an active restraining order against him. That order stemmed from an incident on July 11th, 2012, almost two months before the murder.
Starting point is 00:28:20 At the time, their breakup was pretty fresh, and Eric had reportedly been jealous and allegedly abusive throughout the relationship, but things really came to a head that night when he screamed at Karina in a crowded nightclub. Eric was accusing Karina of sleeping with Brandon. She and Eric had been living together at the time in the same apartment that Karina actually later shared with Faith. But that night, in a jealous rage, Eric kicked two doors off the hinges. It's why the bathroom still had no door by the time Faith moved in. Should I also hit that on the bad energy? Definitely. Yeah. I mean, maybe we just changed a loser energy again. I don't know. It's bad for sure. Yeah. So that night, Karina filed for a restraining order. She kicked him out of her apartment.
Starting point is 00:29:09 He went to go stay with his mom. But Eric kept showing backup at the apartment. whenever he felt like it. It's unclear from official documents whether he still had a key or he got in some other way, but he would pop in while nobody was home and leave note cards with nasty messages. Often accusing Karina
Starting point is 00:29:26 of having sex with other men. Karina told detectives that she actually once found a condom wrapper with a note from Eric reading quote, My mom knows about this. She's so mad at you. My mom is mad at you.
Starting point is 00:29:42 What? because they had had sex? Or because he was accusing her of having sex with someone else? I don't know. I don't know. My mom's mad at you. Oh my gosh, the like the boy mom energy. I know.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Yeah. Horrible. Several of Karina's friends had reportedly seen her with injuries that they did believe Eric inflicted. And her own text appeared to confirm a history of physical abuse. On the night of the murder, one message to Jordan read, quote, I'm going through a lot right now, and he's friend. You don't know how it feels to be emotionally and physically abused. I've been fucking hit for no reason, end quote.
Starting point is 00:30:22 However, Eric was not named in any of those texts explicitly, but according to Marisol, Eric blamed faith for a lot of these problems that him and Carina were having. He actually, you know, from some reports we've seen, blamed faith for that restraining order. Interesting. I mean, it's just the like not taking accountability for anything and like everything is always someone else's fault. There are reports, this is coming from Marisol to detectives, that sometime between May and July 2012, Eric texted Marisol saying that he would kill Faith if Karina didn't take him back. Yeah. Like, unhinged behavior.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Obviously, Karina didn't take him back. And now someone had actually killed Faith, which was why on September 10th a second warrant application was filed for another apartment in Faith in Karina's building. As you can guess, it's the one Eric was currently staying in. On September 11th, officers went in and seized Eric's clothing, shoes, bedding, papers, and some other, quote, miscellaneous items. They also took his Jeep into police custody. In addition, Eric also voluntarily let police search his cell phone, and it was there that they found a text sent to a friend the day before the murder.
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Starting point is 00:34:07 All detectives had to do was tie him to the crime scene and they would be ready to make an arrest. But there is a big twist in this part of the case. And that is that they collected Eric's DNA, and it was not a match for the suspect profile. It wasn't even a narrow miss. The lab told police that the crime scene DNA showed that the suspect was most likely of Hispanic or Latino ancestry. And Eric is black. With one lab report, the Chappell's police theory came to a screeching halt. And then they were back to square one on faith hedge path's murder.
Starting point is 00:34:38 police still, you know, at this point in the case, they still haven't really told the public that they had the killer's DNA. They didn't want to give the suspect a chance to run while they still didn't know who it was. So Faith's friends and family felt like the police weren't actually doing much. Yeah, they weren't sharing any information with family either. Yeah. I get like not the public and stuff, but like family was totally in the dark too at this time. It reminds me of the Idaho case, honestly, where police just stopped talking to. the family because they were like working behind the scenes and like yeah they just don't want to
Starting point is 00:35:12 compromise the scene in any way but it's got to be so hard to be one of the family members and just have no information yeah so the hedge pass had to move forward as best they could while they continued to pressure the police for progress they held a funeral for faith five days after she died that was september 12th her father insisted that it be an open casket so everyone could see how badly beaten she had been because he thought that it would motivate more people to help them. The same day, UNC's Board of Trustees announced that there was a $25,000 reward for information leading to an arrest. No groundbreaking tips came in.
Starting point is 00:35:49 The family continued to call the police daily for updates, just anything they could get that would give them some hope on this. And Faith's brother Chad stayed in town for weeks to help Roland investigate. In November, two months after Faith's death, the North Carolina governor's office added $10,000 to the reward. And then other contributions came in and the total rose to $40,000. Now, at this point, the family still, still did not know that the police had the presumed killer's DNA or that detectives were busy getting as many people as possible to hand over DNA voluntarily while also seeking court orders for the people who refused. Now, in North Carolina, getting DNA without consent requires non-testimonial identification orders, requires a non-testimonial identification order that's signed by a superior court judge.
Starting point is 00:36:39 So it was easier for them to get DNA when people cooperated, but detectives would go to the judge to get one of these orders for anyone who didn't. Yeah. It's interesting to me, and I know we obviously have some investigators and police that do listen. Yeah. I'm curious why they wouldn't just tell the family to be like, hey, guys, we do have a lead. We're, you know, we're just trying to keep it under wraps. We're like, we do have DNA. just like a little, just a little sliver of hope because what if the press asks the family and they say, well, they have a lot more on the killer than they're telling anyone and all of a sudden that person runs.
Starting point is 00:37:11 I know. Two people can't keep a secret, as they say. I know. It's really unfortunate, but I think that's why they were doing it in the item before. I just feel for them. Of course, of course. Just reeling. Well, and then you have cases, like I think of, like, even Savannah Guthrie now where like months and months and months have gone by and the police just kind of stopped talking to the family. Yeah. And there's. is where like 30 years have gone by and they just don't talk to the family anymore. So like, it sucks. I know. It's interesting because it's like at what point can you share? Yeah. At what point does it maybe help to share? I know. And that's just up to the investigators. Yeah, I think it just is like dependent. If you just get a good detective that wants to like talk to you, you're just lucky. It's so unfortunate. So as time passed on, you know, this is all happening behind
Starting point is 00:37:54 the scenes, but police collected at least 100 DNA samples that did not match the crime scene. That included DNA from Faith's dad, Roland. He wasn't a match. Faith's on again, off again boyfriend since childhood. Alex Demeri, also not a match. Now, according to a blog post by a private investigator who worked the case, Alex was interrogated twice after Faith's death and his alibi was checked. Police also had him remove his shirt so they could check for scratches to see, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:21 if there was any sign of a struggle on his body. They eventually collected DNA sample from his father, too, who had also known faith for most of her life, and neither of them were a match. In November, two months after the murder, police filed for a court order to test a man who he had been texting with Faith beforehand. His name was Reginald Leonard Jackson II, and he was being uncooperative in the investigation, at least according to police. Reginald said that he didn't know faith, but he, quote, knew of her. He tried to avoid the police, but they tracked him to his home in Greensboro, which was 50 miles from Chapel Hill. And they finally got DNA from him, but it did not match either.
Starting point is 00:39:01 I'm going to do a little Sherlock because they really, I mean, a hundred different DNA profiles. That's a lot. Yeah. They really are going above and beyond to keep pressuring people and get all of these DNA samples. Yes. Yes. So then the police do this thing called a cell tower dump. Now, a cell tower dump is this tool that gives law enforcement a list of all the phone numbers connected to our particular tower and a certain window. It helps establish what phones were near a crime scene. We also have talked about geo-fencing on this show with Egypt Coventon's case where you can really see what phones were inside of an area at a certain time. So when they do the cell tower dump, it points him in the direction of this guy named Jacob Beatley. So Jacob is the roommate of Jordan McCrary, the UNC soccer player who
Starting point is 00:39:49 picked Karina up the night of the murder. So this dump that they did just said that Jacob's phone was in the general area of the apartment at the time of the murder. So, and then in a March 2013 interview, Jacob admitted that he was at the thrill the same night around the same time that Faith and Carina were. So investigators also learned that he was having mental health challenges around then. He had supposedly threatened to kill his mother's boyfriend. But Jacob's DNA did not match the scene either. Neither did DNA from a man that was seen dancing with Faith at the thrill that night. a couple of other men who were at the thrill that night appeared in police documents,
Starting point is 00:40:29 but there were no court orders for their DNA, so it's likely that they cooperated. No matter how many people they tested, it just was starting to seem like they were never going to get a match. At this point, they're starting to get a little discouraged. So police revert back to trying some old-fashioned methods in order to expand their reach. In December, 2012, three months after the murder, they called in the FBI. The behavioral analysis unit studied the crime leading to the sixth clue, an FBI profile of the killer. They believed the killer might have known faith and possibly lived near her in the past.
Starting point is 00:41:07 They said he might have made comments about her before the murder, that he might have taken an unusual interest in the case, and might have suddenly changed his behavior afterward. I mean, to me, it's kind of vague. Yeah. It could have really been anyone. but in January 2013, police do share the profile publicly. They urged people to report anyone who fit the bill
Starting point is 00:41:29 and was unaccounted for in the early morning of September 7th. In that same announcement, investigators also reveal, for the first time, that they had the killer's DNA. So now cards are out on the table. Yeah, they're no longer, I guess, nervous that that person's going to run away. Like, I wonder what the choice to do that was rooted in. Maybe I want to say they're like at this point, we've tested everybody.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Like, I don't know. What else do we do? You're giving a little bit more hope to people because you're like, well, it's not like we're doing nothing. Like, we have this person's DNA. Yeah, like you can't escape us completely. We will find you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:05 At least now, Faith's family knew that the police had forensic evidence, but they still weren't confident that this case would be solved. So over the rest of 2013, there was no visible progress. Faith's loved ones worked hard to honor her and keep her name in the news. There were fundraisers, memorial walks, and there was a special powwow in her memory with over a thousand attendees. Alpha Pi Omega, the sorority that Faith was rushing, gave her honorary membership. And an award was created in honor for outstanding and resilient North Carolina High School counselors. There's also a Faith
Starting point is 00:42:38 Hedgebeth Memorial Scholarship that was made to help Native American women pay for higher education and her honor. But in October of 2013, this is now 13 months after the murder, the Chabal Hill Police Department had to admit that the investigation. was just completely stuck. They reached out to the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigations for help. That didn't really do much, though. In fact, they were so stuck that in July of 2014, 22 months after the crime, we're going on two years now, a judge unsealed various case documents. Detectives said, you know, this could jeopardize the investigation.
Starting point is 00:43:14 But to the judge, it just really didn't seem like there was an active investigation to jeopardize. so they went ahead and said that these can be unsealed. Now, it didn't help immediately. The next clue didn't appear until February 2016, more than three years after the murder. That year, multiple media outlets obtained a nearly three-minute-long voicemail. The voicemail came from Faith's number. It was received by a close friend at 1.23 a.m. in the morning leading up to the murder.
Starting point is 00:43:43 Now, sources kind of vary whose phone this was left on. one of the main sources I've seen is it doesn't say, but it just says that Ronald Faith's dad first heard the voicemail about a year later when the owner of the phone let him actually make a copy of it. Yeah. But that mysterious pocket dial is our seventh clue. Police had it the whole time, but never really considered it important. The sound was extremely garbled and based on the timestamp, they figured that it was actually recorded while Faith was still at the thrill. hours before her murder. But in 2016, a TV news program hired an audio expert to analyze the recording. And they seem to find something really, really chilling. I mean, we're seeing this happen right now live with Nolan Wells' case. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Everyone listening to the audio trying to see what they're saying. Yeah. And that's what kind of happened here with this TV program coming out on this.
Starting point is 00:44:40 analyst Arlo West working for Crime Watch Daily produced a tentative transcript. And to them, it sounded like it was recorded during the murder. One especially terrifying exchange is a male voice in what they think says, quote, I think she's dying. And another male replying, quote, do it anyhow. Now, as for the timestamp, again, I mean, they're saying it's 1.23 a.m. West claimed that the model of the phone often logged incorrect times on voicemails.
Starting point is 00:45:15 To investigators, it makes way more sense to them that whatever this audio says is not actually what it says. I mean, even if you hear it, people have different variations of what they think it actually says. So investigators just think this is actually coming from the club because booty work from T-Pain is playing in the background. And someone on Reddit came up with another plausible alternative transcript that kind of sounds more like a drunken argument at the club.
Starting point is 00:45:43 We're going to play a clip for you guys. Yeah. Let us know what you think you hear in the comments. Okay, so this person on Reddit thinks that they've deciphered some of it. So they say it starts with a woman saying, don't touch my boyfriend. Then a man saying something unintelligible. Then Faye saying, yeah, right. Woman, put down the phone.
Starting point is 00:46:11 Man, I never want to fuck you again. woman, you motherfucker, man. You were just, what kind of person, woman? To go, fuck your little whore, Faith. Why? Woman, I will kick you in your face, bitch, if you try to pull that bullshit. Don't ever do that, okay, you're right in front of me. I'll have to be rude.
Starting point is 00:46:27 Faith, ow. And then it continues like that for the rest of the call, just that level of argument that's happening between faith, this woman, a man, and then potentially one other woman joins the conversation. Yeah, a lot of people have mixed takes on it, obviously. I mean, Roland Faith's dad. he was playing this voicemail several times a day. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:48 In 2016, he was still playing it a couple times per week. And I mean, for him, he says here, quote, I know face voice very well, it's particular tone. I can hear in her voice that she was alarmed, that she was being hurt. The first time I heard it, I knew in my heart I was hearing an altercation that led to her death, or the actual death, end quote. And he's listening to that more. Multiple times a day.
Starting point is 00:47:14 Multiple times a day. The way that it just tortures you is, yeah, I can't even imagine. I know. So to Roland, I mean, he believes that this was indeed recorded in her apartment, probably during the murder. Either way, this voicemail still remains a mystery and it really didn't lead to any major new tips. Which was why police turned back to their first and most important piece of evidence, the crime scene DNA. But this time, they used technology that didn't exist. exist in 2012, and it leads us to our eighth clue, the DNA composite.
Starting point is 00:47:48 In September 2016, just after the fourth anniversary of the murder, police released a composite sketch. It was created with a software that uses DNA to build 3D models of a person's potential likely appearance. The process is called forensic DNA phenotyping or FDP. It was first made available to law enforcement in 2014. It essentially looks at genes that carry certain traits, things like hair and eye color, the presence or absence of freckles and so forth, and then it feeds it into this facial modeling software. The sketch in Faith's case shows an olive-skinned young Latino man with black hair, brown or hazel eyes, and no freckles. When it was released, I mean, there was obviously buzz about it. It was finally feeling like the case wasn't cold. And so...
Starting point is 00:48:36 Yeah, I mean, like this looks like if I saw this picture, I would recognize that person on the You knew them. Yeah. And so people in real life did, you know, maybe think they knew this person while others really questioned how accurate a sketch based purely off DNA could really be. Unfortunately, the sketch didn't crack the case either. I mean, this is wild how specific they could get. So they, like, they mark his skin color exactly where it falls on the scale between like as pale as you can be and as dark as you can be. It fully excludes being light skinned, essentially.
Starting point is 00:49:10 and it has it marked at like 59.1 on the scale of 0 to 100. Like eye color is an 83.9 on the scale hair color, so almost jet black hair. It's at 78.7 in terms of like light to black, like 25.7 on freckles. So he has zero or a few freckles. But it does say age unknown. The composite sketch that they made would have been this person at 25 years old, though.
Starting point is 00:49:38 So I wonder if they had something where they, probably because she was so young, they probably assumed that he was in his 20s and just did the sketch at 25 years old. Wow. Yeah, we're going to have this on our Instagram so you can see this type of like the predicted and excluded phenotypes because this is kind of like blowing my mind right now. Yeah. Wow. This sketch did get the Chapel Hill Police Department in touch with someone else, though. It was a company called Parabon Labs, which makes the FDP composite software. They also do something that's probably more familiar to our clues.
Starting point is 00:50:10 crew, and that is genetic genealogy. So in 2018, six years after the murder, police announced that they were working with Parabon to track down the killer through his genetic relatives. And that was going to be by building a family tree. And we've talked about this before, but you basically have to build a family tree of like 3,000 people. You're calling people's 17th cousins being like, hey, would you know anyone who's like maybe 25 years old, maybe looks like this? It's a needle in a haystack. It actually is incredibly difficult. Yeah. And kind of illegal to do. Like, Ancestry.com, I read an announcement a year ago that they were, remember we talked about this. Yeah, with the Golden State. We're trying to figure out the cops that were on ancestry and they were deleting all of their accounts because they're like, you need a warrant. You can't just look for people on ancestry. So I think it is maybe getting harder to do, but interesting stuff. And despite a long week, they said that they were confident that this case would be solved. And so did Faith's big sister Rolanda. And when she was asked what message she would send the killer, she said, quote, your days are number.
Starting point is 00:51:10 you will not get away with it. She was manifesting it. She still had years to wait, but eventually she would be proven right. So in 2018, police are using this genetic technology, sorting through thousands of different family members. Over the next three years, detectives and genetic genealogists slowly worked to find and exclude the killer's distant relatives,
Starting point is 00:51:32 many of whom actually did voluntarily sit for interviews. By late summer 2021, they had a name, someone who could potentially match the crime scene DNA based on all of these relatives, and soon they got a chance to collect a sample. On September 14th, 2021, a suspect was pulled over in Raleigh, North Carolina for driving while impaired, which brings us to our ninth and final clue, a surprise arrest. Through that, police obtained this person's DNA, and two days later, on September 16th, Nine years and nine days after Faith's murder, the Chapel Hill Police Department made an announcement. They had arrested 28-year-old Miguel Enrique Solgaro, Oliveras, for the murder of 19-year-old Faith Hedgepeth.
Starting point is 00:52:19 He would have been 19 at the time of the murder. According to search warrants, Miguel's DNA was a probable match to the crime scene DNA found on Face body, the bag, the wine bottle, and the pen. plus his left palm print matched the palm print on the wine bottle found at the scene. Investigators seized six cell phones and a laptop from his apartment, and from there, prosecutors began preparing their case. Faith's loved ones expressed their gratitude at a press conference. Roland said, quote, I want to thank God for allowing me to see this day. Connie added, quote, when I got the news this morning, I didn't do anything but cry and thank God
Starting point is 00:53:01 and praise God, because I put it in his hands and it was his timing. I don't know why it took so long, but I just know that it was him. Six cell phones at his apartment. Six. What do you need six for? Yeah, it's a lot. So after thousands of interviews, more than 100 DNA tests, the arrest finally came. And it was someone whose name had never been publicly associated with the case. To this day, we still don't have much on the alleged connection that this guy had to faith. No, it's still seemingly at this point, random. It has been said, like, allegedly, he's not fluent in English. There's various accounts of how fluent he is, basically. So it's hard to tell if that's where maybe some of the lack of information is coming from, at least from police. That's what they've said.
Starting point is 00:53:47 We're going to give you everything that's been released on him, though. The police have been very tight-lived on it, I will say, though. But the reality is, even though Miguel wasn't publicly named, he was not completely unknown to everyone. So at least one private investment, who worked on the case, this guy Hunter Glass, said that he was aware of Miguel before the arrest, though he didn't consider him to be a likely suspect at the time. Glass believed that Miguel may have met faith at the thrill, as did numerous men that night. I mean, think about all of the guys that had their DNA taken. So if Miguel really was at the thrill on September 7th, 2012, police are going to have some tough questions to answer about why they didn't get his DNA sooner. We mentioned it earlier that they
Starting point is 00:54:29 asked a bunch of guys for their DNA. So what we have, I guess, are the requests for DNA from some of the people at the club that night. But we don't have requests from a lot of the people. So it was assumed that those people just willingly gave over their DNA. But there might have been people that were there that we didn't get DNA from. Or requests went out. They said no.
Starting point is 00:54:50 And Judge didn't then order it. Yeah. So, I mean, how many people were at this nightclub total? Would they have tested every single? Yes. Every single person there, every single male. I mean, it's... There's going to be a lot of questions to be answered.
Starting point is 00:55:06 Miguel's arrest was also a moment of vindication for the now 30-year-old Eric Jones, who was Karina's allegedly abusive ex. Eric spoke to the press afterwards saying that he was relieved to have his innocence validated, but that the case had cost him a lot. It cost him friends. It limited his opportunities. It put him in a very dark place mentally. And despite providing DNA that did not match, Eric's name was never really.
Starting point is 00:55:28 really cleared until Miguel's arrest. And at that point, he had already been casted as the lead suspect in the documentaries that have been out in this case, true crime shows on social media for years. Yeah. I mean, you Google his name. It comes up with the case. Imagine an employer just Googling. It's like, oh, murder suspect. Like, I can understand how he would have had a very difficult time going forward if he hadn't, I mean, never formally cleared. That's tough. I wonder if he was ever even, was he like officially named a suspect, which is so, like now I'm, you know, you can't throw that word around willy-nilly. Yeah, the language is. It is a very legal, technical term. And you always have a lot of people just throw on that word. I'm always amazed at how
Starting point is 00:56:12 many people throw the word suspect around, but his, he was cleared. Like, his DNA didn't match, so he was clear. I mean, we've talked about it in a lot of cases we've covered where it's like, okay, person of interest versus suspect. Yes. There's that severity and that level you need to formally name. So, yeah. Yeah. I don't think. he ever was formally named. Yeah, which is so interesting. I mean, obviously he's a garbage human being in other ways if the alleged abuse is true. But like it's always, like it seems like it was very impactful on him to be kind of cast under that suspicion for so long. Yeah. He did not, however, comment on the rest of his accusations about his relationship with Karina, which we wanted to
Starting point is 00:56:46 add in there just as just to button that up. So on the same day as his arrest, Miguel was charged with first degree murder and he was held without bail in the Durham County Jail. Later that month, prosecutors announced that they would not seek the death penalty. And then nothing happened for a very long time. So in April of 2023, 19 months after the arrest and were already like nine years out, attorneys on both sides went to court for a status hearing and told the judge that they still just weren't ready for trial. Due to the size and complexity of the nearly 10-year investigation, the discovery where prosecution and defense share information before trial, it was going to take a lot longer than usual, which might be surprising to people because you would think DNA at scene,
Starting point is 00:57:28 person who matches DNA, we're done. Yeah. But it actually, I mean, Discovery, think about how much stuff they have to put forward in a 10-year investigation. Well, I have all the devices they seized. I mean, six phones, a laptop. Yeah. And combing through messages over nine years, like, who has he potentially admitted this to in a text
Starting point is 00:57:48 or email or how were they connected? A doc journaling. Makes me wonder, like, what more is happening behind the scenes. Like, I'm sure. I think a lot's going to come out. Going to be more that comes out. So experts were still running digital forensics on those seized devices. And it seems like they did get some results.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Because on November 14th, 2024, prosecutors added charges for first-degree burglary, first-degree rape, and first-degree sexual offense. A jury trial is scheduled to begin on September 28th, 2026 this year. just a few weeks after this episode comes out, the date absolutely could shift. We see it all the time. I mean, they've already delayed because they said they weren't ready. So who knows? And this man is pleading not guilty at this time.
Starting point is 00:58:34 So far, the defense has stayed focused on Karina and Jordan and likely intends to present Karina as an alternate suspect, which I don't even know what the case for that would be. There doesn't seem at this point to be any evidence of that. No, she wasn't there. Like you have people who were with her that night that say she wasn't there. But you never really know what the defense is going to do until the prosecution has presented its case. Like, I mean, we talked about in the David trial, sometimes they kind of suss out what they can use as a defense and then kind of go in that direction. Yeah. And all they have to do is reasonable doubt. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:06 Like the burden of proof is really on the prosecution. Yeah. So, you know. They just have to find where the holes are and where the jury gets confused. And expose them. Yeah. So we're just going to have to keep following this one. But as updates come out. follow us at Clu's podcast on socials. Like, we just want to keep you posted on how this one goes.
Starting point is 00:59:25 Yeah. It's kind of looking like it could potentially be a messy trial. I mean, the DA is already accusing the defense of outright lying in official filings. But there is a big open question that likely won't be answered until trial. If Miguel is guilty, why did he target faith? Yeah, so I guess the question is because I was trying to think about that when we were doing the research, it's like either he was at the bar that night and he saw. her. Maybe they had some sort of interaction we just don't know about. No one came forward and said that they saw her talking to him. No. So he just became obsessed with her. They went home, but then he would
Starting point is 00:59:59 have had to wait for Karina to leave and leave the door unlocked. Get lucky that the door is unlocked. Get lucky and then go in. Or he was just walking through trying handles. Maybe a burglary situation. Like he was looking for homes to burgle. And then just it was a crime of opportunity. We will see. I mean, a lot of people question it. And a lot of people also question if he was even at the thrill. I mean, they're pointing to his lack of fluency, and they're kind of wondering if the defense is going to present a side where he wasn't even there. He would have been at a Spanish speaking club, things like that.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Like, that's coming up quite a bit online. They're also talking about the blood sample from the bathroom door frame. That has mysteriously gone missing. and that is according to a ruling from the judge as of November 2025. So unfortunately, losing a DNA sample that... Which is so crazy because the investigators were locked in. I know. Like this whole event, for 10 years, it feels like they were pretty locked in.
Starting point is 01:01:02 Yeah, I'm curious if it's truly lost or, you know, we've talked about samples being depleted if you use a sample. I mean, they did a hundred different, you know, tests, but obviously not comparing every... test to... Because also that can change everything. Like if there, if she was, if everything was just in the bedroom in the bed, then you could present that she was sleeping. It was fully, he just attacked her. But if there's blood throughout the house and, like, were they in the bathroom?
Starting point is 01:01:30 Did she know him? Did she let him in? And they were talking somewhere. Could be that reasonable doubt that the jury gets stuck on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that is kind of a sticking point right now.
Starting point is 01:01:40 The defense has moved for independent testing of the blood sample, but that is when the Chapel Hill Police Department responded that they didn't have it. So the judge did order that the department either produce a sample or provide a detailed written explanation as to why they couldn't by December 6, 2025. It's August, 26, and there's no record that the police ever complied with this request. Unclear what's going on there at this time. Yeah, yeah. And then I guess there also is just the voicemail, voice memo or voicemail that was left. Like, does it actually play in? Like, is there at all? Yeah. Is there anything we can learn from it? Or was it just a butt dial? was arguing with someone else and it's nothing. So I guess we're going to find out like there's
Starting point is 01:02:20 just going to be a lot that comes out during the trial. Yeah. So we do want to end this episode by recognizing the UNC student newspaper, the Daily Tar Heel for their outstanding reporting on Faith's case, both at the time and over the years since. So most of what we know about Faith as a person beyond the way her life ended comes from student journalism. They've been dedicated to telling the whole story. They haven't put up paywalls. You can access all of this information. So if you want to follow developments, we actually do recommend the weekly Top Stories newsletter at daily tarheel.com. And we do want to mention, too, that faith is part of the ever-growing list of missing and murdered indigenous women. The rates of violence against Native women in North America are astounding.
Starting point is 01:03:04 We've covered it on this show. According to the Indian Law Center, more than half of indigenous women have experienced sexual violence. And Alaska Native women suffer higher rates of sexual assault than any other ethnic group. So if you're indigenous and you are in need of culturally competent help with domestic or sexual violence, you can reach Strongheart's Native Helpline at 1-8-4-7-6-2-8-4-83. You can also visit strongheartshelpline.org. And if you just want to support justice for Native women, the National Indigenous Women's Resource Center has lots of educational resources and awareness campaigns that you can join. And a good place to start is the nIWRC.org backslash MMIWR dash awareness.
Starting point is 01:03:47 And with that, we are going to feature a missing person this episode. This week's missing person is Swade Burden Ground. Su Wade was just 13 years old when she disappeared from her family's home in Garryo in Montana on the Crow Indian Reservation. She was last seen after 11 p.m. on October 6, 2024. Su Wade has curly brown hair and brown eyes. At the time of her disappearance, she was between 5'4. and 5 foot 5 and weighed approximately 130 to 140 pounds.
Starting point is 01:04:25 She was last seen wearing a black hoodie with mushrooms on it, an anime t-shirt, basketball shorts, and purple slip-on sketchers. She may have also had a black and purple Adidas backpack and is known to wear an elk-tooth necklace. The FBI is offering a reward of up to 15,000 for information leading to Swade's recovery. If you know anything about her disappearance or current whereabouts, please call 1-800, call FBI, or submit a tip at tips.fbi.gov.
Starting point is 01:04:54 And that is all we have for this week's episode. And that's a wrap on Morgan. It's so sad. I just want to thank everyone who has listened and watched and made this community so special. It really is incredible to see one of my goals when I was approached by Pave to start a true crime show. I'm like, I want it to be different. I want it to make a dent. So it wouldn't be possible without all of you listening week after week. So thank you guys so much. And I'm going to be here. You're not losing me. So keep coming back every week. We're going to work together. We're going to have Sabrina coming on and helping me out for a few episodes. But I'm just really excited to stay with the community and keep covering cases for you guys and grow in the community and just, I don't know, love you guys. Thank you for everything. So I'll be back next week, but that is a wrap on Morgan. Yeah, goodbye.
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