Clutterbug - Real-Life Hacks and Tips to Declutter, Organize and Clean your Home Fast - Hoarding, Healing, and Hidden Treasures with Matt Paxton | Clutterbug Podcast # 263

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

In this episode, I sit down with decluttering and hoarding expert Matt Paxton, host of Filthy Fortunes and former Hoarders and Legacy List star. Matt shares his incredible journey of helping people let go of clutter, uncovering hidden treasures, and preserving family legacies. They dive into the psychology of hoarding, the emotional weight of possessions, and the myths surrounding clutter. Matt also talks about his new show, Filthy Fortunes, where he and his team unearth valuable hidden gems in hoarded homes while helping families move forward. Plus, he shares details about his new business, Clutter Cleaner, which is revolutionizing estate cleanouts. This episode is packed with eye-opening insights, hilarious stories, and practical tips to declutter your home—and your life!   Learn more about Matt: https://iammattpaxton.com/ Check out Matt’s new show Filthy Fortunes:  https://extratv.com/2025/01/30/matt-paxton-turns-trash-into-treasure-in-new-discovery-show-filthy-fortunes-exclusive/ Check out Clutter Cleaner: www.ClutterCleaner.com Check out my previous conversation with Matt: https://clutterbug.me/2023/03/crazy-decluttering-stories-with-matt-paxton-from-hoarders-and-legacy-list.html Matt’s Socials Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iammattpaxton/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/IamMattPaxton/ Get Matt's book, "Keep the Memories, Lose the Stuff" here: https://amzn.to/3LC88oR     You can find more Clutterbug content here: Website: http://www.clutterbug.me YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@clutterbug TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@clutterbug_me Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/clutterbug_me/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Clutterbug.Me/   #clutterbug #podcast #mondaymotivation #mattpaxton #decluttering #hoardinghelp Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You're in for a treat, clutterbugs, because today I'm interviewing one of my favorite people on the entire planet, and that is Matt Paxton. You probably know Matt from doing hoarders for years. He was on the hit show hoarders, helping people let go of huge amounts of stuff. But before he actually started on hoarders, he actually ran a business doing this, clearing out spaces for years. So he knows what he's doing. Like he is an expert. He then had a show called Legacy List, which I am so obsessed with this show. It really brings in the emotion and the heart and the why behind the clutter and identifying what's important. And now he has a new show coming out called Filthy Fortunes on Discovery. It's coming out March 9th. Super

exciting. And of course, he still has his incredible business clutter cleaner. So welcome my favorite human, Matt Paxton. Matt, hi. Welcome. You're doing insane things. Yeah. Yeah, we're busy. It's exciting. 15 years of hustling and it's all happening in one month. It's kind of crazy.

This is crazy. The last time I talked to you, you had some things in the pipe that you were talking about and you were already insanely busy. Now I just see this incredible trailer for your new show and you just happen to launch a new business at the same time. Do you sleep, man? No, five hours a night. That's it. and you know we got a bunch of teenagers in the house and uh no i don't sleep much i think i'll sleep in like next year yeah i'm i'm happy for you because here's the honest truth um if you don't know

anything about mac pexton you're nuts and i'm going to put all the the links to all of this stuff down below but you do the hardest part when it comes to decluttering an organization is that you take people who have hoarding tendencies whether they're true hoarders or they're just collectors or they don't trust banks, so they buy a bunch of stuff to store. And somehow you get them like to let go. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how. I guess I'll tell you how I do it.

But yeah, I mean, I've done the worst jobs. I think I do the most challenging jobs is the best way to say it. And I've been doing it for 15, almost 20 years. I guess professionally 20 years. And it's crazy. I mean, but like it's all I know. And so it's all I do. But like if you look at the demographics and you look at it.

I mean, like, I've never been busier. And I started doing this at 24, and I'll be 50 this year. So technically I've been doing it longer than I haven't, which is crazy to me. And it's the hardest thing in the world getting people to let go. And I do see that people, I mean, it's easier to get stuff now. It's cheaper to get stuff. And there's a target on every corner. And, yeah, there's an epidemic of clutter in the world.

But you take it to the next level. And, I mean, I was a huge fan of hoarders. You're like the king of hoarders. That was such a good show, man. But then you brought another side with Legacy List. And before we talk about your new show, I'd actually love to talk just for a second about Legacy List, because I feel like that was so impactful on an emotional level.

And I think, yeah, talk about that. And then let's talk about some of the myths behind people who tend to hoard. Yeah, sure. So started on hoarders, 15 years. That show self-explanatory, clean the messiest homes in America. that's how people got to know me. I was very lucky where here in America, public television brought me in PBS to do my own show.

And it was a show called Legacy List. And it was really simple. It was basically built on my theory. A legacy list is a list of the five items that matter the most in your family. And they help you really prioritize, prioritize your family story, your family history, and your culture.

And it's a technique I've used with my families for, I mean, decades. And it started off, I call it a fire list. And it was, if your house is catchers on fire, what are the five items you want to keep? And I would use that with my hoarders just to get them to prioritize what mattered most, right? And then I would also use it to prove that, hey, you can't. Your house is too messy to grab it. So I'd pull out a stopwatch.

And I would go, go find it. Your house, you got two minutes. And they couldn't find any of the items. And they'd trip over stuff and fall. And so I was like, see, I got you. Now let's clean the house out. And when I started working more with seniors, about 10 years ago, I realized like, oh, this is the chance for them. Everybody was getting stuck and nobody could get started.

And so we started doing this legacy list just to get people to get started because they would, you know, they say, well, nobody wants my stuff. They give me all these, nobody cares, nobody wants to help me. I got all these pictures. I spent a lot of money on it. They'd give me everything they used to justify why to keep it. They wouldn't tell me why they call with me. Like, no one calls me for fun. you call me because you got to move

someone's died like something real's happened life has happened and so I was like great and so then I used this legacy list to create emotion and an emotion would be the why we all the influencers everyone that works with people to help clutter we always talk about the why and the legacy list was my way to sneak you

towards that why because you'd spend an hour telling me how amazing all these family members were and then I'd be like awesome so why are you moving and then they would like tell me oh yeah so you're going to move closer to your grandkids. And so what I would do is totally use this legacy list to trick them into to telling you their why. And then their why is, well, we keep up from quitting. Right. I'm like, oh, so, you know,

we can quit right now and you can not see your grandkids. Or we can just keep going and you can just live with your grandkids. You know, and so it was totally a trick. And it works. It totally works. But I was very lucky, you know, if you don't know me, I will talk forever. So long story short, PBS was a great place because it let me really just it's the only station you could actually just tell stories and that's what it like it's still on five seasons it's on PBS we're not making it we're kind of on a hiatus for the next couple of years but really all we did was I'd go to your grandma's house and visit and I say tell me the coolest five things you got and they would tell me and they go and I'm like where'd make one lady had she had her uncle was she said she was a bodyguard for elementary. Roosevelt. That was the story we were given. And we're digging through the basement. And we found, we did actually find all that stuff. We found his service pistol. He, in fact, was a CIA agent for Eleanor Roosevelt. If she didn't want him to have a pistol, she didn't believe in guns. And they actually didn't believe in Secret Service. They thought that political politicians should just be servants and there

shouldn't be all this hoopla. And that America shouldn't waste taxpayer money as well and protection. That was Eleanor Roosevelt's thing. So he had to do. hide a gun in his in his leg he would hide it in his ankle and so it was an ankle pistol that we found and it's CIA issued it was crazy that's so cool right and we found it in this lady's basement and then next to it was a a tape um like a what's the role the roll the roll not a real a reel a reel to take okay like an eight millimeter yeah eight millimeter yeah it's an eight millimeter of jacky own Kennedy on that jacky o nassus kennedy riding horses in their backyard and she's like oh yeah, the Kennedy's liked to write horses, but they couldn't do it in D.C.

So they were out in the country outside of D.C. Is this stuff just like mixed in with random trash? There's like care bears and stuff down there? Yeah, it was next to like rubber bands and marbles and, you know, just same stuff, like the bed bath and beyond coupons, right? Like it was next to all that stuff. And it's history, right? But that's what that show was about, was saying, hey, like, everybody's got three or four

really cool things in their house. and let's just share those stories. And so I kind of went on a mission for the last five years. Like, let's just tell the stories. Like, it's all about the stories. And I've been really lucky to do that because in my real life business, cleaning out houses, that's what we do. We help people clean out the houses and we get to hear all the stories. I love it.

I think I love it because it really reinforced this thought that I had. When I'm going into a client's house, I usually have one day to declutter. And it isn't hoarders, but it's bad, right? There's no surfaces. I can't organize when you have excess. I have one day I spend to declutter and one day to organize. So we have to go fast. And it's always like, well, everything's special and everything's important. I pull out a big empty tote and I say, this is your memory bin. Let's just look for the special stuff and put it in here to keep it safe.

And as soon as you do that, when you start there, when you feel like your memories are protected and the stories are protected and the important stuff is at least safe, suddenly nothing else feels special anymore. As important. Right. So like you take people who are really struggled to let go and now they like it's literally a rubber made tote. It's like $8 from Walmart and somehow that is switched and they're like, okay, that can go,

that can go, that can go. And so this is a trick I've been using and I feel like you have the same approach. It's like, well, as soon as we protect the best of the best, as soon as we like make sure that's safe and that that legacy will live on, the rest of the rest of the rest of you. stuff doesn't feel important. The keyword there is legacy. You gave them a physical space to store that legacy. I gave them a numerical number to preserve that legacy.

Same difference. We just use different boundaries, right? And I will actually love that bin. What I'll do is we'll actually, we'll drill holes in the handles and put zip ties on it. And then we sign the, have the client signed the zip tie. And that way they know nobody can steal it. Because with a lot of our hoarders, it's like, it's like poor man safe. We do that all the time.

because it makes people think, because they'll be like, well, this is my most important stuff, and you're going to steal it. And I say, well, not now. And we literally just drill a hole in it, put a white zip tie on it. They sign it. It's a 99-cent zip tie. And that way it's like protected. They know that no one can steal it.

And that has always helped us. Oh, that's so good. It's so solid. I want to talk about that because I definitely want to talk about your new show and your new business. And all of these things tie in together. It's people who have way too much. They can't find what's important. the good stuff and it's ruining their life, the excess.

But do you- I don't mean to plug, that's the key. It's ruining their life. It's holding them from, it is a barrier, it is a mountain, it is holding them back from a better life, period. And that is what we do. We help people get that to that better life. I love that. Do you, you talked about like the mistrust worrying,

even though they've hired you and you're a professional and you're famous, you're Matt Paxton. They're like, Matt Paxton might steal my stamp. Sure. My grandma still puts her hand through the part where she did. She passed away this year. But even up to last year, my grandmother would put her purse through her arms at Thanksgiving dinner, right? Like somebody from the bank or from the family is going to steal your stuff. Right? And we all got that aunt, the great aunt that does that. Well, it comes from they were, so now, I mean, when I started cleaning 25 years ago, those women were, the ladies out with, the 75-year-old women that I helped them were, first of all, that felt really old at the time.

and now I'm like, well, 50 this year. It's not that far away, right? But those old 75-year-old ladies, which are not old anymore, they were the last kids of the Depression. So they remember banks taking stuff, the government taking stuff. I mean, like, they remember losing things. So it's not that they don't trust you. They don't trust anybody.

There's nothing to do with you. And so I've always learned to just laugh that off. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm totally going to steal that. That HSN, you know, those beanie babies? Yep, I definitely am going to steal your beanie babies. because I don't see them every week, right? And I could just engage in all of that or just acknowledge that, hey, yeah, you don't trust anybody. I totally get it.

And so then we just started creating a lot of techniques in the last 20 years, like everything I do to earn trust, right? And so I just like overly teach my teams how to earn trust from everything we do from that little bucket to like when I go into a house, I have no pockets anywhere. My pants are actually so there's no pockets in my pants. and believe or not, I have a different color yarn, like a different color string on those pants. So the client sees it and says, well, what's that? Your pants are weird. I go, well, yeah, that's actually, they're sewed shut so that I can't steal anything. Which is so fascinating to me.

So I have to ask, do you find people who tend to have hoarding tendencies, like they really want to hold onto things? Is there a correlation between like mistrust, mistrust of banks, mistrust of government, mistrust of things? Yeah, well, I mean, hoarding is caused by. trauma, right? So something bad happened in their life. So they're expecting this to be bad, right? A lot of times that I've been called because the families told them they're gross, they're disgusting, they're filthy, they're awful. So they've already, the whole world's shit on them, excuse my language. And then I show up and I'm like, hey, trust me. Well, they don't trust anybody. I mean, the main traumas were like, you know, loss, abuse, death, divorce, like something bad

happened to them. That's what caused the hoarding. And, and they're, or just modern day hoarding. are just unhappy, right? They just didn't find happiness and self and worth. They didn't have as much horrific trauma, but they are looking for their happiness and self-worth and stuff. And so what we found is they're just unhappy. And so they naturally don't trust anybody. And this is where it gets deep. The one thing they can trust, the one thing that hasn't abused them, hurt them, left them, divorced them, called them fat, ugly, nasty. The one thing that hasn't done that is the stuff. And so the stuff is safe, right? I mean, it's literally a wall from the world that's hurt them.

And so I always say, just like, you got to remember that, like, that's the nicest stuff they have. Like, I mean, you know, I got, it's no secret. I got a lot of kids. And we've seen different kids go through these same situation where, like, they overly are attached to stuffed animals, right, to an extreme, like, they act like they're alive, right? And they're their best friends.

And then you find out, the more you dig on that, it's like, oh, okay, he's being bullied at school, you know, he doesn't have a lot of friends. his brothers make fun of them all the time. Like the stuffed animals are the one thing that are safe, right? And so these young kids create this amazing life with these stuffed animals. Well, people do the same thing. It's just with stuff, right? We call it the fake future or the perfect past.

And so you'll hear people if you're working with a hoarder that tell you how incredible the future is going to be. I'm going to create a museum. I'm going to do this. It's all grandiose. Or they talk about how amazing it was in the past, right? How amazing. But what they're over.

avoiding is now. Now. That's so true. Everything has a story of either what it was or what it's going to be. It's going to be amazing. I'm going to turn this into something and I'm going to do, I'm going to be like a start a business and sell all. Yeah. So let's dig into that. The reason is now sucks, right? Now my kids don't like me. My spouse and I fight all the time. I've gained 30 pounds. I've lost my job. I'm used to be a high school athlete. Now I get tired. when I walk up within steps. Like, now is hard. And I can't move because I got too many damn beanie babies in the basement, right?

Or I'm broke and I need to sell all this stuff. Whatever it is, now is heavy. Now it's hard. That's why I focus on the past for the present. I mean, guys do. I'm 50 now, right? Like, I mean, I can't tell you how much I talk about high school. Dude, I didn't even like high school.

But, like, we act like high school was amazing. I mean, beer was cheaper. Like, that's it. You know, they didn't have responsibility. But like we talk about all, or when I retire, I'm going to do this and this and this. We're going to move the whole thing when I retire. Everyone does. Everybody.

Everybody does it in different levels. It's just easier to crap on hoarders because their house is missing. Yeah. I mean, I used to really struggle with clutter. I wasn't a hoarder, but I really struggled with clutter. And I was broke. I was broke, broke, which is ironic that I had so much crap when I had. no money, but I was stuck in something I called the scarcity cycle. So I didn't trust, because I was

always running out of money and I was kind of impulsive and I didn't save it. I didn't trust that the money would be in the bank. So when I got my paycheck, I'd be like, I better go to the store and buy extra food. I'm better buy these pants now because I won't be able to afford them next week. I better buy. I better stock up. Better stock up. Better get this, get this because the money's going to be gone. And then I started seeing instead of like money is safety and security, stuff felt safe and secure. So I'd get 20 bucks in my pocket and I would have to spend the 20 bucks to buy something before the money was gone. Is that was make that make sense, Matt, because I was just wasting the money. Yeah. No, it makes sense because so like I'll take it back to like I did that as well

as a dad, right? I'm a kid of the 80s and our parents as a whole, Jen Axe, our parents weren't really around that much. And so we and we think they get they get crapped on a lot, but it is what it is. They were not around. They were not around. And it is what it is. And I love my mom. If you're listening, I love you, mom. But like we, when we finally started making money, our generation, we went out and bought a ton of stuff to show our kids how much we love them. Right.

And then we went to every single sporting event. We went to the opposite. Right. Like, I'm going to be at every event. You practice in a band tonight for 13 minutes? I'll be there on the front row, right? And then we take them out, spend money. And so we went to overcompensate for our insecurities and our next.

negativity, right, from our bringing, right? And then we overdo it with our kids. And then so we start, I'm going to love my kids so much. I'm going to buy them so much stuff that I'm going to have to work so much that I never see them. And then you never see your kids and you feel so guilty for never seeing them, but you love them so much. So what do you do? You buy more shit, right? And it becomes this vicious circle of buying more and more than never being there. And we all did it. Like I did it too. Like we all did it. And then we got a house full of crap, right? It doesn't matter. And but we were doing it because we loved our kids, right? And our parents worked hard.

Our parents were never around for us because they loved us. They were trying to provide for us, right? Because they grew up in the Depression or their parents grew up in the Depression and had nothing. So like it's very cyclical. I see it all. I work with so many families now I'm doing it so long that like you see the same story each generation to the point where like now the millennial kids. They don't want anything. I know.

Millennium, minimists, like the MMs, right? they don't want any of it and they are now behaving like our grandparents did where they'll buy like one item they'll thrift it they'll buy it and then they'll like fix it like the other day my son was my 11 year old was like dad my hoodie ripped can you sew it I'm like no it's a target hoodie we'll just go buy new one he's like no I love this hoodie I wear it everywhere he's not a hoarder he just likes the stuff that he has right he's like can you sew it I had to put on a new zipper I had to sew it I'm like I put probably three hours of late labor into a $20 jacket.

And I price my labor at $25 an hour at home. I try to, when I try to account for my time, I say, okay. That's smart. Right? If my time is, if I spend four hours on something, could I buy a new one for $100?

Because that's the time I wasted on. So I always put my time at $25 now. Because you're busy. I'm busy. But like everybody should do that. Like your time is really what makes it not a viable situation usually. And like when I work. Oh my gosh.

That is so good. I think for everybody listening at home, please just really hear Matt, because I can't tell you how many people are holding on to like holy socks that they're going to mend. And all these things they're going to do, they should, could, would, you know, and it's just adding up to extra stuff. And the truth is their time, you're right. Even if they ever got around to it, their time is worth so much more. So much more. In time with the kids, time with, you know, what about? You're like, I'm going to save 50 cents. And it's like, yeah, but you spent $50 at your time. I'm saving 50 cents.

Oh man. Think about that when you're waiting in line for Costco gas, people. Wait. Well, like, I can, I mean, this is a common one where my client's saving this. You know, I joke about the bed bath and beyond coupons. But like, I still find them. By the way, that company is bankrupt. Now, not are they, those are not expired.

They're bankrupt, right? And people say, well, no, they're coming back. Somebody bought them. I don't care. Those coupons are invalid. Like, but then people will drive across town. They'll spend gas. They'll spend two hours to save eight bucks.

I'm like, you just spent $50. plus gas, so let's say $53 to save $5. Why is it worth it? And I try to just let the math, it's a spreadsheet decision. And sometimes that works. Sometimes it doesn't. There's 100 ways to skin a cat. And I just want to whatever, that's a horrible analogy, sorry.

But whatever, there's 100 ways to get to California. I don't care which route you take, right? Yeah. But I just, I want you to make sure mathematically make sense. And that's one we have to try to do it. But we all do it. And I use humor a lot because we all do all these things. But at the end of the day, what I've learned from 25 years working with hoarders and seniors and stuff, we hold on to stuff because we love people that are attached to the stuff.

And that was kind of like what I learned. You know, hoarders for 15 years, I was learning like with all the trauma and all the, you know, all the negative sides of it. And I really got to understand the hardest parts of decluttering and the hardest parts of why we fill it up. And then on legacy list for five years, and then cleaning out of states for the last 10 years, I've really gotten to understand, okay, well,

here is the celebration of it. So when I put those two together, you'll see me walk into a horde now where the rest of the world is saying, you're filthy, you're disgusting, you're gross. And all I see is,

holy crap, you had a lot of people in your life that you loved. And there's a lot of people that loved you. And that's a mindset switch that I know is really cheesy. But, like, that's actually what's up. Like,

our houses are full because we, felt loved, we felt valued, we felt like we mattered. And that stuff is proof that we mattered and that people cared about us. And so I really have changed it to that, man, you had so much love. Look at all this stuff. Tell me some of the stories. And so that's where I hear the stories. And it's taken me a long time to switch, right? But I really see that now. It's like, man, you loved a lot of people. I love that so much. Do you think that that's kind of the biggest myth about hoarders? Is there a myth that people have? The general public have people who have like really

covered homes. How much time do we have? Here's the hoarder myths. That it's only 60 year old white women with cats. It's always the cats. The cat thing is real and we'll talk about that. On the show we found on hoarders it was only white women that were willing to go through the embarrassment to save their family. And so that makes sense when you look at it that way. mathematically actually men hoard at a 51% rate versus 49%

for women. But men, we get them as a state cleanouts, which means they die. Yeah, they held the story to the end. They're stubborn. Well, no shocker there. Women will go for the embarrassment to help their family. Men don't. I don't think that's a difficult thing

to explain. I think people think you're right. But it's it has nothing to do with race. It has nothing to do with sex. It has all to do with trauma. Now, you could say certain type of people experience trauma more. Yes, I would say women definitely experience trauma more than men do. If we look back over the last 50 years.

And so, yes, we've found people trying to find their value and their self-worth and stuff. I mean, back in the early 2000s when I did this, it was always home shopping network. Right? And so they were buying just boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of stuff. These were a lot of stay-at-home moms that were, you know, it was single family, you know, families with two kids, the white pick of fence and the dog and the dad worked and mom stayed at home. And then mom got the bad rap that she was this horrible hoarder. Well, no, she was trying to find herself worth and her value in her, you know, in independence and why she mattered. Well, now we've got single mom that is a CEO, CFO, doctor, lawyer.

that buys a lot of shit on Amazon because she doesn't want to miss out. Both houses are full. They're full for different reasons. But at the end of the day, we want to have the right stuff because you want to be prepared. And so I mean, I see it all the time. And I see it with seniors, right? Like, seniors are holding on to everything because they don't, they remember not having. Like, they remember going with that.

I mean, I'll work with some. I mean, it's the last of the, you know, some of the clients in my 90s. like i mean i had a lady that is she you know she remembers the war like and when i'm talking about war two guys yeah i korea or vietnam and it's like you know i mean i used to ask every client what did you do during the war when i started 25 years ago and they would say oh i was a you know rosy the riveter i did this i did that and of course now i say did you go to woodstock right different different question yeah different questions still great stories, right? But I'll just say we hold on to things. Our trauma is real. It's unique to every single

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So it's a simple sell. It's basically American pickers and hoarders combined. Discovery came to me and said, hey, we want to make a fun show. Can you make it a fun hoarder show? So I was like, yeah, I can make a fun, positive hoarder show that you never know you needed. There's my bitch. It's me and my team. It's the guys that I'm I've worked with for 20 years, I was able to get them all on TV. And these are guys that have traveled the country with me. While I was off doing orders and all these speeches and books, they were the ones that were cleaning houses. And most of our client, you know, 20 years ago, it was donate, donate, donate, donate. We wanted everybody to donate as much as they could. But the reality is people need the money. They've invested a lot of money in this stuff and they want to try to get as much money as they can out of it.

And so very quietly, we've been cleaning houses anyway, someone, a lot of the stuff. And we've built over the last five years, built a whole world. We don't own the sale part of it. But we will work with different auction houses and different groups to sell things. So the new show, it's called Filthy Fortunes. We go into a house. Usually people haven't inherited it or they're just overwhelmed by it. And they want to sell everything.

They've taken the four or five items that matter the most. And they're just like, dude, we're done. I mean, honestly, most of our clients are people that inherited their parents' house. It's got two or three generations worth of stuff. And they're like, we don't know what to do with it. that we don't have any value. We don't have anything. So we go in, we start finding all the treasures.

I mean, they really made it look like we're like Indiana treasure hunters. Yeah. I was watching, I was like, is this storage wars meets hoarders? Kind of. Yeah. Except our stuff actually has value. I mean, like we found, we found a Mickey Mantle rookie card this year. Why?

We found a Sandy Kofox rookie card. I don't even know if it made the show, right? this was a crazy story. We're cleaning out that house. And it was a typical house. And as you know, three generations, two generations in the house.

We're cleaning it out. And we typically can get like 30 to $40, $50,000 out of a house, right? If you're cleaning everything out. Because you find a car, you find some other things. We were up in a closet. And we found that we're making down a working card,

which is sometimes worth, a perfect one to be worth a million dollars. This one was not perfect. But it was still worth like $8,000. Which is a lot of money. I don't care who you are. That's a lot of money. And also,

Why is it just in the attic? Why is it not in a special memory bin? It was in the guest room closet, right? And this guy was in Washington, D.C., so this, both the grandfather and the father, the daughter had hired us. The daughter was my age. Father and grandfather were both passed away. They were Navy officers, lots of entertaining. So the house is covered in like, you know, China and Crystal. And, you know, they would have tons of big parties in Washington, D.C. back in the 70s and 80s. And we're in that, like, guest bedroom closet where all the goodies. work. And one of my guys goes, who's John Wilkes Booth? I'm like, he shot Lincoln. Why? And he goes,

I found his rookie card. And I'm like, I don't think John Luke's booth played baseball. So we go in there and it's a play, it's a picture, like basically like a tin type, so like a Polovoid of John Wilkes Booth. It's dated. He signed it because he was an actor at the Ford Theater there in D.C. And so we found like a playbill with John Wilkes Booth's signature like three months before he shot Lincoln. you stop it and it's sitting next to some baseball cards right and the family's like that's super cool but we don't need it let's sell it and so like the one cool thing about this show is like

we don't really know what's in the back of the horde you know yeah it doesn't say like the family knows what's in the back of the they had no clue they have no clue and so they're trusting us to obviously go in and find it and monetize it for I mean we had a house just last week where we found uh we we went through the whole house And they gave us their legacy list, right? They gave us the full list of what they went to keep.

We found all the stuff. And then in the back, I found a watch. And it was her brother's watch. So this was a crazy. So the son had died at 50. And the mom hired us because the mom was in Florida. The sister was in Virginia and the house is in Nashville. So we're cleaning out the house, very emotional.

I mean, a young guy dying, it was super emotional. I happened to grow up with the guy. He was a good friend of mine, actually. So it was super emotional for me to clean up like a friend's house. You know, and I actually found like, I found my signature in my middle school yearbook, right? Like crazy stuff, right? And we're going through, but I found this watch and I'm like, I think this is a nice watch. Flip it over and it says, too frank from mom and dad.

We realized it was this lady's brother who had passed away like 20 years ago. And it was from her mom and dad, right? So we were able to find that watch. That watch has worked like 20 green. She didn't want to sell it. She didn't want to hold on to it, right? for obviously understandable reasons. But we sold the rest of the house,

pulled like 60 grand worth of guns and guitars out of the house and camping gear sold all the stuff, cleaned the house out, we're able to sell the house, sell all stuff, and the family was able to get out of that estate really quickly. But you never know what you're going to buy. That's so,

I mean, when I first watched the trailer, I was like, I cannot wait to watch the crap out of this show. And then I instantly was like, wait a minute, because when I'm going and dealing with clients, they're always like, but there's expensive special stuff in the other that I could sell.

So I was like, listen, is this going to make my job harder, Matt? Yes, it is. Let's just say there's any professional listening. I apologize in advance. Families are going to think that their house is worth a ton of stuff. Now, we do show some that are goose eggs, right? Like, we're very clear about the China. We're very clear about the diamond furniture.

I mean, we make it clearly known. The antiques. Yeah. the 80% of the house is worth nothing. I'll tell you this. I mean, from my 25-year career, pretty much after the adult children and the grandkids have taken what they want,

the contents are usually worth around $8,000. That's what's in the house, right? And it costs me about $15,000 to clean a house. And so is it worth paying $0.15 for $8,000? No, of course it's not. So you have to make sure you understand the value is in there. But yeah, is it going to make your job a little harder? is it going to be a really fun show to watch?

I can't wait to watch it, but I'm going to be cursing you the next time I go into someone's home. What's like watching, you know, storage wars? They're like, well, this is worth $100. No, it's not. You wouldn't get $8 for that in a store. You know what I mean?

Same thing with American pickers. They're like, well, this is worth $1,000. Nope, it's worth $50. I can guarantee it because I find this all the time. We found, I mean, but we do find incredible stuff, right? And then, of course, the punchline is, look, the stories are the, treasure. Like, what's the treasure? It's the stories. And so I'm able to usually say that. Or your time

is the treasure, right? Like, you get your life back. I mean, that's the part that people, they're like, oh, I've been cleaning out my mom's house for six months. My wife and I come up here every other weekend, and we spend the whole weekend picking through my mom's stuff. And I'm clean that. I'll clean that. I'll bring my whole crew in and we'll clean the whole thing out four weeks or four days. Yeah. And you get your life back. This is such a needed thing. And I think there isn't one day that goes by that I don't get emails from people who say my family my mom has passed away or my dad has passed away and I'm stuck with the house filled with stuff what do I do? That's all we do. Yeah. Yeah. So I'd love to talk about your new business for people listening who are in this situation.

But also can we just say, listen, I'm going to plug you because people need you. I wish they would do this before they pass. Yes. I wish the family would go in and make their legacy list and go through and find the special things. And here. hear the stories from their parents, not having to discover all this amazing stuff when their parents are gone. That's the goal, right? The goal is that you hear my stories. I hope you hear the price tag. So I had to fight for this. On the TV show, you see how much it costs for me and my team to clean out your house. So you'll see at the end of the show, it's like, oh man, we found $70,000 worth of stuff and we had to pay Matt $35,000. And so we only got to keep $35,000. I want you to be shocked by

that number, I want you to say, there's no way I'm paying somebody $35,000 to clean my house. I'm going to do it myself now. That'd be awesome if that happened, right? But if you're going to do it, create your legacy list, sit down with your family, tell the stories, get the stories out. And I assure you, I mean, if I learned one thing in the last five years on the show Legacy List, if you tell the families the stories, they will want the stuff. And you think they don't want your stuff. If they know the stories, they will. It's true. It's absolutely true. I went into my grandmother's home and was like, I don't want anything. I don't want any of your stuff. Then she brought up this book where the Nazis had invaded. She was born in Jersey Channel Islands and the Nazi had invaded and her dad

was made to like dig trenches and do all the stuff. And she like had wrote down all these memories that she had from a kid. And I was like, of course I want this. But I would never have known. If I hadn't talked to her about this, I would be cleaning out of stuff. I'd see this notebook. I wouldn't even open it. I would have just put it immediately in the trash. So if you're never going to watch my show, you're never going to hire my business. You never read my book.

That's fine. As long as you tell five, do your legacy list, create five items and tell your family the story. Right? You can artifact. I use an app called artifacts. You can use that. You can record it on your phone. I don't care what you do.

But do something to record those stories and share them with your family. Because they live on forever. Forever. I mean, forever. I wrote about in my book, I wrote about my dad's ring, the ring I'm wearing right here. And people now, they come up to, they're, oh, I read your book, I love it. Is that your dad's ring? And then they want to hear a story about my dad, right?

My dad died 25 years ago, 26 years ago. And I tell the story about my dad every day now. My dad's famous, right? It's as famous as I am. And he's been going for 26 years. And my dad would love it, by the way. And it's because I tell the stories. My kids are annoyed with all the stories I tell about my dad.

And I'll argue, they never met my dad, by the way. None of my kids met my dad. And they can all tell the stories for me. And they get annoyed when I tell the story. That means we're doing it right. If your kids get annoyed by your stories, you've told them enough times. Because they'll live on beyond you. And everyone has stories.

I think they're just not sharing them. Yeah. Every story. I'm a very good storyteller. And I get into a house, I don't talk because the stories are better than anything I got. Yeah, it's so true. And I think about my grandmother. I think about my grandmother who has not passed. And she, every inch of her, she's in a nursing home now, but every shelf is filled with cherished teddies and Royal Dalton's and all this crap. We all joke about it in the family like, oh, man, we're just going to get a dumpster when she's gone. But I guarantee there's something in there that has a story that is special, but none of us know it because all we see is junk and clutter because we haven't talked to her. Yeah. So I do this. thing called story starters it'll be it's actually on my website that it's on the i am matt Paxton website story starters it's 10 questions actually it's 20 questions that you can ask your

loved ones right and it's the first 20 questions um starts like what was your first job how much did you make you know who was your best friend in high school did you play any sports like people are always blown away when they find a grandma was like all state softball right and then they find oh i was a paper boy you know and i made 25 cents a month But then it gets bigger and bigger. And it gets into like, you know, who's your first kiss? It's usually the lady's standing next to them, right? And then you find, or you find out that's not, which is amazing.

Then you really want to hear that story, you know. And then like, what was your first car? But it builds, right? And then at the end, it's like, what's the most? I learned this. I had not, this was not my question. I was doing this at a senior living. I do a lot of, like, I do a lot of memory events at senior living communities where we go up and they'll bring an item up.

and they'll do like, it's like an adult show and tell at the senior living community. And I get, I'm like Johnny Carson interviewing in these ladies, and they'll tell me these incredible stories. This one question, I didn't do it. It was a lady in the audience. She said, well, what's the most, I want to ask the audience, what's the most important invention you've seen in your lifetime? And I just passed the mic, right? And this one lady's like, well, my iPad's pretty amazing. She goes, for me, though, she goes, you know, an indoor bat. I didn't get to. to use an indoor bathroom until I was 18. And she goes, first time I saw a car, she goes, I saw a car before I used an indoor bathroom. She goes, I couldn't believe, because it wasn't clopping.

It wasn't horses, right? She's talking about picking cotton in Oklahoma in the summer, and there was 16 kids. There was one room for the boys, one room for the girls. Mom and dad lived in separate rooms. And there was an outhouse, and that's where they did it. But one day, they went to town in Oklahoma City, they got to use an indoor bathroom. She goes, but I got to be honest. hair curlers for me. She goes, space travel is pretty cool, but for me it's hair color.

Hair curlers. That was her, that was her most important invention of her lifetime. But everybody went through the room and it was crazy. Like you, I'm realizing like, oh my God, this lady went from an indoor bathroom to an iPad, right? I know. I know. Like that's, and it is, it's insane. Joe's parents, Joe's, like Joe's mom. grew up on a farm and she didn't she used an outhouse until she was almost a teen i think she was 12 years old before they got indoor plumbing she is like not old okay she's like 65 like what are you talking about you were using an outhouse and and pumping water and boiling it like what i know she was a late her family was a little bit cheap but it's not the point it wasn't that long ago matt

yeah it's crazy the amount of history that's happened and so you have to ask the questions, right? So I'd always use these story starters. If you're not a good story teller, use the story starters, let them walk you through it. It's really a powerful thing, honestly. I love this. I'm going to put a link in the show's note down below to your website. So go check that out so that you can have these conversations with your parents because maybe opening up these conversations and then making sure that we are protecting these really special things will allow your parents to let go. Well, and the side benefit is it actually jumpstarts the cleanup, right?

Because they prioritize. They create their legacy list. They prioritized what matters. And they start telling the stories. And then you're like, oh, well, that's really cool. I'll take that. I mean, I always, we do the high, I think I told this last time I was on the podcast. We do the hot grandma picture.

We always find a picture of Grandma, like, looking really hot, like, super fine. And so you hold on to that picture and we bring it out when Grandma's having a rough day. And the punchline is they always, someone always wants the dress that grandma's wearing. And by the way, we always find the dress. Like it's, you know, 60 years later, we find it, you know. And everybody wants the picture. And so, like, when you tell these stories and you find out grandma wasn't this old fuddy-duddy in the corner holding her purse, you start to, like, really get excited.

And you find out, like, oh, my God, all these crazy things I do is because my grandma used to do that or my grandpa used to do that. And you start connecting to your family history and your family culture. And then you want some of those items. So, like, it really does. I mean, and last time I was on here, I preached it. but I'm preaching, man. Share your family stories because it makes it more fun.

It sets something that you can share with your next generation with your kids. And it gets the house going. And it gets them, you know, it gets them to their goal. And it gets the house cleaned up. And that's the point, right? You don't want to be burdened with that house after mom and dad die. And have no idea what's special and what's not. And just be overwhelmed with the sheer amount of stuff.

When they die, so do the stories. And that's honestly half of our. our business, a clutter cleaner, half of our business is mom and dad die, 4-1 dies and we got to move mom, or we got to clean the house out completely. And a lot of times we don't, we're trying to connect dots, but we've lost them, right? Because the stories we're gone. Yeah, okay, tell me, tell me about clutter cleaner because here in Canada, in my city, we have like 350,000. We have one auction house and they are so busy. They will only take the best of the best homes. Most people are left. Yeah, I think it is called. Yeah, I know very really well.

We used to love very stuff. There's not a lot of auction houses up there. No. But there was a lot of old people passing away and leaving houses filled with stuff. So that's the business. Clutter cleaner is exactly. I mean, if you saw me on hoarders, I was my business clutter cleaner. I sold it in 2016.

I was able to buy it back last year. And it's one of those things where you just, you just like, man, I want to put my old jersey on. You know, I want to put it back on. And we started franchising it this year. So we'll be, we're selling franchises all over the country. and we'll go into Canada as well. But we have national.

Yeah, oh, no, we've already talked to, we're talking to a guy in Toronto right now. Amazing. The goal is, is that we're able to take everything I've learned over the last, you know, 25 years and teach it at a local level

because it's really a caregiving situation. We're going in, we're cleaning out of states and we're moving seniors into senior level communities. Or we're just helping you downsize that house so you can sell. But mainly it's going through all the stuff, all the memories. And so everything you've seen me do on TV,

everything you've seen in my books, that's what we teach our local franchise to do. And it's really exciting. Like we've our first 12 locations opening up. It's awesome. I'm so excited. Like as a professional organizer, this is such a needed business. There are not enough.

And every day there are people who are like, what do I do? And so if you can't find an auction house to come, do you know what, unfortunately, I say to do, I'm like, well, I guess take, do Facebook free or get a dumpster. And even then. So, yeah. So we cleaning the stuff out. So this is the process. We go in, we help you figure out what you want to keep. We get those items shipped all over the world to wherever they need to go to all the different kids.

If we're going off a will, we're going off of what the will says. And then we start saying, okay, what can we sell first? We sell it and we go to every different auction house. I mean, we have one house where literally went from Facebook Marketplace. We had some crappy old dining room furniture. We sold it on Facebook Marketplace all the way to a painting actually went to Christy's auction house. And so, like, I mean, you can have it. Our big thing is we don't believe that the house should be sold in one simple auction.

Like it's got to be all over the place. And so we just dispersed it to all the places. And then the auction house gets their cut and then you get the rest, right? And we just get paid by the hour. But we go in and clean the house out. Then we actually would donate what we can donate and then we trash as little as possible. And then we do a complete suite, sanitize the house. And the house is clean, emptied, ready to sell.

But like we- This is life-changing because you're grieving, your loved one just passed away, and now you're stuck with this house, and then you're literally coming in and doing it for them. But we get to do it with it. That's the coolest part. If you want to participate, great.

If you don't want to, that's okay too. We hear all the stories. We help you document all the stories. We do, we use this app called artifacts that lets people highlight all the stories that can share them with the families. Like the one part we never thought we'd deal with is like the paint from 50 years ago when they painted the kitchen. Like how do you get rid of that

paint? It's harder to get rid of paint than you realize. Yeah, I know. We have one hazardous waste day a year in our town. And it's just like, I guess you're waiting for that. Yeah. So in the states, the further west, the harder it is to get rid of paints and oils. And then like, I mean, believe it or not, like, we were in a house a couple weeks ago. And grandpa used to change his oil. So we had a 55 gallon drum of motor oil. Stop. In this garage and it was with a bunch of old fertilizer and then a bunch of boxes full of nails, which was basically a bomb, right?

Like it was all the contents of bomb. Where are you disposing of this? We throw in the river usually. Yeah. Now, I mean, you got to like, you've got to work with the local, the localities to get the paints and to get the, I mean, but like every city, no one knows this, but every city has a dude that will collect all the paint for free. right and so oh yeah there's always some old dude that like paints all the that battleship gray that

you see all the stuff or the red or the green that like the benches and stuff are painted the guy just goes around and gets all the free paint from us he mixes it all and it turns into like a battleship gray we've all you there's always I got to find this guy because we bought this house we bought this house from an older couple and for some reason every can of paint they had ever had is they left it for us like thank you yeah thank you for these unlabeled dried out paint that you've already repainted the walls. Then I got now 150 cans. The yellow tile from the bathroom upstairs that's already been replaced,

but it's still under the steps. Yeah, all that stuff. We get out. Yeah, we do it all. So it's super fun. So yeah, new show, new business. Still got seven kids. And one graduated, but she's still at home.

And then we got the six boys, 11 to 16. And so we had 16, you know, mid-teen and teen. teenage boys. So we we got a we got a full full house fan but one and a full life and but you're you're you're like you have your own legacy. You're literally changing lives. You're changing the way people deal with yeah situations. You're changing the way people deal with loved ones who have passed on and left their home left over so you know entering at 50s. I'm like okay well like I'm hopefully done in 15 years like what's what are people going to say at my funeral right like always said I always tell people like say something nice at my funeral right and I think I think

people will say like hey this guy helped me like get in my life like help me enjoy the last 10 years of my life i got to do some stuff i'm going to come to your funeral and tell that you told a story last in the last podcast i think you were like laying down on the ground and letting rats lick your eyeballs or something i mean i just i think about that more than i should okay i'm just like if someone was to ask me who's the coolest person you know uh without hesitation it's matt Paxton. Thank you. I don't know, you've had some heavy hitters on this podcast lately. You are the coolest person I know. Yeah, Peter Walschall, man. That's a big deal. He's my hero. He changed my life. But, um, he did. But, um, I wouldn't be doing this about Peter.

And, uh, he turned down hoarders because he hates hoarders, right? He hates the show, horders. He despises it. And he turned it down, but recommended me. So I got on the show because he hated it so much. Like, I was cleaning houses for 15 bucks an hour when I met Peter. You know, and I read his book. And, you know, it's like, I always say it's like, if I got to, you know, if my kids got to play basketball with Michael Jordan, like that's what it was like for me. Yeah. I owe everything to Peter Walsh. I owe everything to him. Did you watch a show? Is that what made you? Yeah. I was watching Clean Sweep. And then I bought all of his books and he just changed my mindset. And then I started doing this for a living. Like I wouldn't, I'd still be living in a cluttered, messy home, um, living paycheck to paycheck. if it wasn't Peter Walsh. Yeah, for me, it was Peter and then ironically, Zoe and Kim, my raising simple, my partner,

my wife. We, you know, her book changed my life. I mean, people, like, are always surprised by that, but it introduced me in minimalism in a way where I was like, oh, this is not like hippies, like with one guy. You know, and I was like, oh, and it made me totally reevaluate what I was doing on orders. And I hadn't, I just read her book. I hadn't met her yet. And so it really made me, like, rethink how I did things.

And so it's funny. That you're just like, you're a. amazing. I'm going to marry you. No, she tracked her down. I went online to thank this old lady that wrote this book because it changed my son's life immediately. And I read the book. It was incredible. I went online to thank this old lady. And then I looked at her and she was not an old lady. She was really hot. Yeah, she's gorgeous.

Slid into her DMs as the kids say. And now, now we have seven kids. So it's not as like, it's not as romantic as you know, as it's built up and be. But like, it was super cool. when we, you know, we realized like, oh, my God, like, we could actually hang out. So, yeah, I'm very, I mean, it's funny. Anyone that listens to this, I know a lot of, I love reading the comments in your podcast. And because you know where, like, what's cool for the professionals listening, like, Cass really does kind of like, this podcast really does let you know, like, where is the industry going, right? And so I always, well, I listen to this podcast.

I'm not just on it. Like, it's a good podcast. So I'm going to pump you up a little bit, guys. This is so good. Okay, listen, I'm just going to say this. If you need your home clear note, I'm going to put clutter cleaner down below. But if you're interested in being like doing this and be, you said you're doing for testing.

Yeah. So we'll be by the time this airs, we'll have our FDD. So we can actually, yeah, we're selling in 49 states. And if you really something like you thought you want to do and you want to kind of a fast course, we're starting to take applications now. And we interview you. We find out if you like it, if we like it, I'll tell you need a little bit of gray hair to do this job well. You need a little bit of gray hair, a little bit of compassion. And, and just,

you've got to be tough. But if you really want to help people, we have a lot of former teachers, a lot of former social workers, a lot of former nurses that have come in that really want to make a difference. Yeah. It's an amazing career. It's rewarding because you're not just helping someone clear out your help, helping, you know, with the memories and the legacy. Hug and a check. Man, we get a hug and a check every week. And I tell you that one of a huge career. It's one of A few careers where there's a few. But it's probably the most noble when you get a hug and then the angel check. And it's like, oh, my God.

And it's amazing. Like, I just love it. I'm so glad. You're Indiana Jones up in here, treasure hunting in people's house. Well, yeah, I mean, the show, it's nice that the company's featured on the show as well, I'll be honest. So, I mean, we're clutter. It's the whole clutter finger crew. But the show, please watch the show.

It's March 9th, guys. Sunday nights at 10 on Discovery. It's, we'll be streaming on Discovery. plus and max the next day. It's super funny. They let me just be me and you'll see some great stories. Is this going to be your Emmy? Are you going to get your Emmy from this one? You're like, no. No, no. It's all gone to you. You know that. I mean, it's all gone to YouTube. Like, I mean, my clientele still watches TV. But I mean, the promotions of this, I'm doing more podcasts than I am going on TV shows. Like, I mean, that tells you like where the industry is. And I'm just glad to have one more

run at just having fun on TV. And for me, the coolest part is my kids now are on the crew. And so all summer, so each week I take one of my kids to do a clean-out. And so I get all the kids and they work with me and all my friends. And we get to travel the country. I mean, I got to drive our oldest son. Max ended up going from like basically like Seattle to San Diego with me last summer. And we drove and you got to be on four episodes of the show.

And like, I mean, when I started my first episode of hoarders, I had no kids. Yeah. And now my kids are on the cleanup group. Like, it's crazy to me. And I love it. And they get to help people and they get to see the value of service and and hustle and hard work. And, you know, it's really fun. And then they get like, you know, a can of white paint dropped on them and they're covered and they've got to like adjust.

You know, I mean, or they, you know, go to like one of them, they were doing a house in D.C. and they picked up one of those old milk jugs, one of those old, old big milk jugs, like, from the 1800s. And it's, like, you know, three feet high. And it had the original wood top, which you never find. And I was like, man, I'd never see those. And he opens it up. And, like, 50 rats ran out.

And it was like a rat tomb. You know, there was like a bulk of dead rats with skulls and stuff. And then all the live rats ran out. I mean talking about a 16 year old kid that's been lived a pretty good life he was scared to death you know and we're just how

it's all like the best oh it's incredible you're making me want to take my kids when I do a home come out man you should come be on the show cash you can be our expert on the show I just I think you're so awesome you deserve this and

so much more because you're awesome not only are you great on camera and you're hilarious and you're just the coolest person. I know, but you're actually really fucking good at this. Thank you. You're, you're legit. You're not doing it. It's not fake. Yeah, I got the You're doing it. I can't tell you. I've had a little taste of the TV. They most of the people, they're not actually doing it. They don't know what they're talking about. They're a pretty face, smiling, saying the lines and other people are doing it behind the scenes. That is not you. The camera was like, oh my God, you guys actually clean the house. We're like, well, we promised this

family that it's going to be done by Friday. We have to clean it. And they didn't know, they had never experienced that. They, yeah, they were waiting for like actors to come in and out. We were like, this is the thing. My experience with HGTV, I'm like, wait a minute, none of you get, they, no one actually does the work or designs or does any of the construction. No, you're the real deal, man. And we're doing it. We love, and I love it. I mean, we had a guy. We were, we did a house in New Orleans this summer for the show. You'll see it. And it was so damn high that two of my guys had heat exhaustion. So we lost like, two of our four main guys and they were in the hospital and we still had to clean the house and the crew's

like well what do we do and we're like well you got to feature it like that's life like this is what happens in norleans you know and um well anyway it's a great show please give it a shot y'all I know tv is hard to watch these days and you'll probably be watching on ticot anyway and that's fine but no your show is not going to be hard to watch I'm going to put a link down below it is awesome it's hilarious and I'm going to put a link to everything all your things because you're amazing and everyone needs to follow everything you do. And I just go have a nap now, my friend, because I don't know how you're doing this. I'll do that in 10 years. You need a nap. Okay. Yeah, because you don't do anything. My God. Oh, you put me to shame. I'm just, I'm so impressed. And you're changing

lives. And I'm just so honored to have you on the podcast. And I absolutely for having you. Always. Thank you everyone for listening. Please go. Make your legacy list with your family. I'm going to put the link to Matt's website. I want you to ask your family member those questions, and you better set a date in your calendar for his new show, which is coming out because you do not. If the only thing they do after hearing this podcast is go home and tell one story, I'm happy.

That will start the chain of getting your house cleaned up because you should never stop up one story. It'll be two or three or four. And it's amazing. And it'll change your life. You'll be happier, I promise. You're awesome. It's just the real deal.

And I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you, everyone, for listening, and we'll see you guys next time.