Clutterbug - Real-Life Hacks and Tips to Declutter, Organize and Clean your Home Fast - You’re Not a Disaster, You Just Have ADHD (And Here’s the Help You Need) | Clutterbug Podcast #328

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

Hey Clutterbugs! Are you struggling with ADHD as an adult? You’re not alone. I’m right there with you. ADHD is one of the most underdiagnosed and misunderstood conditions in adults, and in this episode, we’re shining a light on what it really looks like to live with an ADHD brain. I’m joined by the incredible Dr. Kristin Carothers, a clinical psychologist and ADHD specialist, who shares her personal journey with ADHD and explains the three different types of the condition--predominantly inattentive, hyperactive-impulsive, and combined. Even if you don’t have ADHD, you might recognize some of these traits in yourself or your loved ones--especially if you’re feeling overwhelmed, disorganized, or stuck in chaos. Dr. Carothers is sharing tools and hacks can help anyone who struggles with focus, procrastination, or staying organized. We’re diving into the challenges of late diagnosis, how ADHD impacts everything from time management to relationships, and why so many adults are just now realizing they’ve been living with ADHD their entire lives. So grab your headphones, take action while you listen, and let’s explore how to embrace your unique brain, ditch the shame, and create systems that help you live your best life. And you’re not allowed to just listen! Whether it’s packing a summer "go bag," flipping your home for the season, or organizing your closet with easy summer outfits, I’ll share simple tips to help you feel more in control and ready to enjoy the season. You’re not broken; you just think differently, and that’s your superpower! Want to get organized? Learn 6-Step The Clutterbug Method: https://clutterbug.thinkific.com/courses/Clutterbug-Method For more from Dr. Kristin Carothers: https://www.instagram.com/drkristinjoy/ https://www.carothersconsultinggroup.com/ Dr. Carothers's resource on Getting Organized & Getting It Done: https://irp.cdn-website.com/6fb99831/files/uploaded/Keeping+It+Real+with+Organizational+Skills.pdf You can find more Clutterbug content here: Main YouTube Channel: @Clutterbug Website: http://www.clutterbug.me TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@clutterbug_me Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/clutterbug_me/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Clutterbug.Me/ Cas's Summer Fun Bucket List: https://clutterbug.me/products/summer-fun-bucket-list Cas's Summer Hacks That Work video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uAw-cnmeuk #clutterbug #podcast #ADHD #AdultADHD #ADHDLife #ADHDHacks #ADHDTips #ADHDHelp #ADHDSymptoms #ADHDStruggles #ADHDOrganization #ADHDStrategies #ADHDParenting #ADHDInAdults #ADHDManagement #ADHDProductivity #ADHDSupport #TimeManagementTips #OvercomingProcrastination #DeclutterYourLife #OrganizingTips #SummerOrganization #ADHDSuperpower #ADHDWomen #MentalHealthAwareness #ADHDCommunity #ADHDResources #ADHDandRelationships #FocusHacks #ADHDBrain #ADHDCoach #ADHDLifeHacks #ADHDWellness #DrKristinCarothers #Psychologist #ClinicalPsychologist #Stuck #HelpWithADHD #clutterbugpodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am annoying. That's the thing I've been called my entire life. And I'm so aware of my annoyingness that I think it has turned into social anxiety. I avoid social situations. Not that I don't love being around people, but I don't love the embarrassment, the shame, and the regret that comes afterwards. I say dumb stuff. I interrupt people.

I let my ADHD brain run a little wild. I mean, she can't be controlled even if I tried, if I'm being honest. But it has really negatively affected my relationships, my self-worth, and, yeah, how I interact in the world. Today, we are talking with psychologist Dr. Kristen Carruthers. She is an ADHD specialist. She's actually a child clinical specialist. psychologist that now is working more with adults because as the parents bring in the kids and they're

like, what's wrong with my child? She's seeing that the parents are having a lot of the same issues. They're just not aware. And I love this and I'm so excited to talk to her because I think adult ADHD is so underdiagnosed. It's under recognized. And I love that she's shining a light on this. And hopefully while listening to this podcast, not a lot. only are you getting stuff done, but you might see some of these traits in yourself and find real solutions to help you finally live the life that you deserve. While you're listening to this interview, I want you to think maybe about yourself and if you're recognizing any of these traits in yourself or a spouse or a child, any loved one. And even if you don't have ADHD, a lot of these

traits, we mimic, especially if we're overwhelmed, stressed, just living in chaos and clutter, we can still behave in a way that looks a lot like ADHD. So the strategies we're talking about the tools and the way to help overcome some of these traits, I know you're going to find effective in today's podcast. But before we get started, do you ever feel like the summer just goes by in an instant and you have a million things you wanted to do, you know, but you never got around actually doing them. Like, does it feel like summer's supposed to be about fun, but you never actually enjoy it? That's what we're going to start with today. And I'm going to give you some homework, some things for you to do right now while you're listening to make your summer

more organized and more enjoyable. That's our focus today. So just like always, you are not allowed to just listen, I want you to take action. We're going to be chatting for an hour today, and I want you to get stuff done and feel really proud. And I think the perfect thing to do is to kind of zoom out for a second and think about all the things you wish you could do this summer. Wish you could do today on a day-to-day basis, wish you're going to do in the next few months. And I'm going to give you some examples of ways that you right now can set yourself up for success. The first thing I recommend that you do, is think about this one, like, new hobby or something cool that you want to do. For me, it's gardening. I made some vegetable gardens and I want to get outside. I want to spend more time in my flower

garden. I just want to do this. But every time I have these little bits of friction, like, where's my spade and do I have the weed killer I need and how am I watering and blah, blah, So I made myself a garden go bag. I just gathered all my gardening supplies together. I gathered the seeds I want to plant. I have the little knee pads. I have an apron. I have a sun hat.

I have everything together. And now when I think, oh, I should work in the garden, I genuinely feel ready without friction and I'm just going. You can do this right now. Think about something. Maybe you want to hike. Put yourself together a hiking go bag. What would you want to have packed? Maybe you want to go to the gym every day. Pack your gym bag right now with all the things you'd want and put it at the back door. If you are a beach lover and you're like, oh, wouldn't it be so nice? Pack yourself a beach bag. All the things, the sunscreen. And if you have kids, you're going to do like the pails and the shovels. Get it ready to go even if you're not going today. This is part of organization too. These are little things that you can do.

to set yourself up for success. Another thing that I absolutely recommend is flipping your home. So today, while you're listening to this podcast, also think about what do you use in the summer all the time that you don't use as much in the winter or things like I don't use my crock pot as much or my soup pot or my roasting pan? What I do use are salad bowls and my little serving trays and my fancy. margarita glasses. They're non-alcoholic and they're plastic for outside. These things, I moved to the valuable real estate in my kitchen and I relocated the soup pots and the roasting pan to the basement.

I made things I use in the summer easier to access. I got rid of my like hot beverage station and I replaced it with an ice maker and a bunch of like flavor shots so we can have different flavored sodas and my like slushy machine. It's a small thing kind of flipping. I flip my mudroom. Get rid of the winter coats, bring in the spring and the umbrellas. But it saves so much time. And we don't always think about this as an important step of organization. We don't think about the fact that we use different things in different seasons. And those things need to have prominent space. This could also be in your closet. Get your butt in your closet. Is it really? Really easy for you to get your bathing suits. Do you have your summer dresses front and ready? Maybe even take time right now while you're listening to put together a few of your favorite summer outfits.

You can include the jewelry, maybe the sunglasses, hang it all together on a hanger and put those in one spot in your closet. So in the morning, when you're rushed and you're just like, you know, you don't have to think about what to wear. It's already done. And we can do this together. while body doubling while you're listening to today's podcast. So are you ready? I hope you're feeling pumped. Let's do a little summer prep work right now. And if you missed it, last week's YouTube

video on my main channel was all about the 10 things I do that are free to get ready for summer. Well, hello and welcome to the Clutterbug podcast. I'm so excited to have you here. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you, Cass. We're going to be talking about my favorite thing, which is ADHD, specifically, hopefully adult ADHD and being undiagnosed and then getting a diagnosis. I know a lot of my listeners I see in the comments are like, I think I have that. First, tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into this. And I know you work a lot with children, but now there's adult ADHD coming into your life. Absolutely. Adult ADHD has probably always been in my life, and I just had a little bit of difficulty accepting

that it was a part of my life. So my name is Kristen Carruthers. Dr. Kristen Carruthers. I'm a licensed clinical psychologist. As a child and adolescent clinical psychologist, externalizing disorders like ADHD became my expertise. And along with that, I learned to do a lot of the evidence-based intervention for ADHD and in one of the evidence-based interventions is really behavioral parent management training. And what I learned doing behavioral parent management training was that many of the adults who are bringing their kids in also struggle with ADHD. I think I had some struggles of my own. I had a colleague who kind of called me out. And over time, and he has ADHD. And so he was like, you don't think you should try a little medicine, maybe with help. And I was like,

are you kidding me? And he was like, are you serious? And so in terms of adult ADHD, my own journey and the journey of those around me, I know that there are some core things that tend to pop up. You're late all the time. You are forgetting things. You may be slightly disorganized. You might talk as if driven by motor like kids do. So I'm going to stop talking and let you talk.

I love this. This is so good. Yeah. I know it's hereditary, right, ADHD? So you're probably seeing parents who are like, my kids so annoying or my kids struggling in school, but they don't see it in themselves. Yes, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. And so I think what also happens is because there are like such generational differences in acceptability of like having an ADHD or any other mental health disorder, many adults, depending on what generation they're in, they have not been in a space where it's been okay to. to admit that maybe there's something going on,

or they did not have awareness, but they remember back to childhood. So it's a disorder that has to be diagnosed in childhood. So now the criteria is diagnosis before age 12. When I was originally in training, diagnosis was prior to age six. And one of the reasons was because there are certain behaviors of childhood that are normative or developmentally appropriate.

Like if kids are running and jumping, we pretty much expect that. But there gets to be a point where it is out of purport, proportion to their age, to the setting that they're in. And so for adults who are bringing their kids in, but struggling to see it themselves, I often ask questions like, who does this kid remind you of in your family? Or what is your, you know, your parent-child dynamic? Does that remind you of anybody else's parent-child dynamic? What was it like for you growing up? Were you always getting yelled at? Were you always losing things? Did you almost get kicked out of

school? And once we do that, then sometimes it gives adults a little. little bit of insight into their own behavior and functioning. That's so good. And what bothers me, so I was late diagnosed. I was diagnosed at 40, and it was shocking to me. I still wasn't sure. I'm going to tell you how my doctor diagnosed me because it was my family doctor. He's in his 80s. Love him to pieces. Probably should have retired a little bit ago. But anyways, I was like, just, I'm doing well in my life and yet I can't remember anything and I'm always late to everything and I just feel like I have to set a thousand alarms in order to remember and be places and I'm impulsive and I'm, I interrupt people and I can't manage money. Like, what's wrong with me? And he said,

I think you might have ADHD. I'm going to give you some riddling. If it gets you high, you don't have ADHD. If it calms you down, you do. You do. do. And that was my first experience at all with this. I thought it was just like a bad kid label that kids who were out of control got. And they just maybe needed more spankings and some discipline. But holy doodles. I took medication and the world like slowed in my brain. It just it was it was absolutely amazing. And since then I've had a formal diagnosis and I've seen a psychiatrist and but what to me is so fascinating now that I'm like I have this it it answers so many things and then I go on TikTok and everybody has ADHD and all the comments are like and it's it almost

it almost makes me feel like does everyone have it or is this just an excuse that we are kind of making for this behavior so I would love to hear your input especially people who are listening at home, they might be feeling like maybe I have it, but maybe also everybody just is saying that they have it and they don't and I'm just disorganized. How do we know the difference? I think one of the things we should be aware of is that people can have traits of a disorder and not necessarily meet the clinical criteria for full-blown ADHD, inattentive presentation, hyperactive impulsive presentation or combined presentation. So another thing that kind of complicates this for adults is in the developmental lifespan around age 40 for women is about the time when you start to go through

menopause. And so some of the symptoms of menopause may also mimic symptoms of ADHD. And so as for women and men around age 40, our hormone level will start to change or start to drop. And maybe even prior to that. And so there are some symptoms that we might might be experiencing that could be to like developmental changes across the lifespan. I think where you know it is your meeting criteria for the disorder is that there is a rupture in social or occupational functioning. So not only do you have enough of the criteria in each category of inattentive versus hyperactive impulsive versus combined type, these symptoms are getting in the way of you maintaining relationships showing up for your partner, showing up for your

kids, right, being present in your work setting. These symptoms are also getting in the way of your productivity, your ability to follow through and finish when you are in your occupational setting, right? And so if you think about those deficits in social and occupational function, and that's what really tips people over the edge. So yes, I'm on TikTok too. Everybody's like, oh, I've got it, oh, I've got it. I don't want to say it's an excuse. I think that many people are excited about finally feeling validated, that they are experienced in some symptoms. that were defined by other people as laziness, or not trying hard enough, or just being a wreck.

And so when you had those negative labels attached to you, and then you learn, like, wait a second, this is not all negative, wait a second. There are some pieces of this that have been documented in the research literature by psychologists and psychiatrists who do research, and I'm not making this up, or my family has labeled me, but this is a real thing.

People experience some relief. And so I think when people experience that relief, they would like to belong. You know, we all want, especially if you felt out of place your whole life, like everybody else could get it together, but you couldn't. And finally, you find a community and you find some symptoms, like it can be really validating and empowering. And so I think the goal is to make sure that we're not over pathologizing some symptoms that could be normative, that could have to do with the developmental transitions we're making,

or that might just kind of be a part of our personnel. balance. I can talk about that, so I'm going to stop. No, I love this so much. But I think I wonder, maybe there are more people who really have ADHD than are being diagnosed. I mean, this is something I had never heard mentioned as a child. Just to give you a little bit of backstory, I was so hyperactive, which I know doesn't always present in girls. But for me, it did. I didn't stop talking. And I'm going to tell you, Cass, when we see that in girls, we usually are like, whoa, something's going on here because in terms of like our societal expectations, you know, girls are supposed to be not as quite as active as boys. And so when we see those girls who like just can't stop themselves, we're like, okay, something's going on.

Yeah. I mean, every report card is she's so disruptive. She will not stop talking. She doesn't pay attention. All classic now that we know. And yet no one had ever mentioned ADHD. my whole life. And growing up, I was very impulsive.

I ended up getting into drugs and crime. I left home young. I had went to prison. It was like all this, again, no one was like putting it together. Maybe she has ADHD. It's she doesn't have self-discipline. She's lazy. All of these things.

And look at you now. A whole podcast and YouTube channel that's like, come on. It's wonderful. But even like at 40, I had had had. success in my business. I was fired from every job I ever had. Let me just say that. I had to be my own boss in order to find success. But getting that diagnosis was like so much self-love and forgiveness for myself. It was just amazing, not only because of all the bad things I did as a kid, but all the struggles I still have day to day suddenly made sense. So I,

I'm such an advocate for late diagnosis, especially people who women, specifically, who are still struggling in their 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s. They're like, why can't I get my life together? Even one areas together. It's all like a juggling act to make it happen. But it's tough getting a diagnosis as an adult. So first of all, I would love you to give maybe some advice to my listeners. But before that, could you break down the three different types of ADHD and sort of what the symptoms are? Maybe they can see these in themselves. Okay. Thank you for that.

Three different presentations of ADHD. The first presentation is the predominantly inattentive presentation. And it's not like they have to go in order. I'm just doing it inattentive first. So inattentive presentation is characterized by forgetfulness and daily activities. disorganized, daydreaming, kind of losing track of where you should be in terms of day-to-day functioning. These are people for whom time management is a big issue because you lose track of time. You overestimate the amount of time that you have. You underestimate the amount of time it

will take to complete a project or a task. So these are for kids, I say like my space cadets, and then for adults, these are the people, my mother used to call it pittling. So, you know, got to get dressed in the morning. And so you're like, I've got my 30 minutes. I'm going to be able to get dressed. But then you see this over here and you see that over there and you start primping your hair and then you're folding clothes and doing all these things. And the next thing you know, the 30 minutes is up. Okay. So those are our inattentive people. We're losing track of time. We're not attending to the task in the moment. For the predominantly hyperactive impulsive presentation, these are the people who are acting before they think. So they talk as

driven by a motor. That's like one of our classic terms or they're like the Energizer Bunny. And a lot of people don't even know who the Energizer Bunny is now, but it's this bunny with the battery in its back and it keeps going. It keeps going. It keeps going. It doesn't stop. These are people who are making rash, quick decisions. They may spend money without thinking about what it's going to take to earn that money or how they're going to pay it back. But in the moment, if I feel it and I see it and I want it, I get it, right? And so a lot of that difficulty with taking a break, taking a beat, and thinking through what might happen

as a result of making this decision. Then there's the combined presentation where you present with a little bit of that inattention and then a little bit of that hyperactivity and impulsivity combined. And so in some settings, you might be more hyperactive and pulsive. In other settings, you might be more inattentive. And then there are going to be some settings where you're exhibiting both.

So in particular, like for adults, if you think back to school, think back to what, like, your middle school transition was like, I think that is a big indicator. And also, if you happen to go to school after high school, how did you adjust to making that transition or did you have to make the transition to life? And were you able to keep a job, right? You know, were you able to show up on time? Can you balance? We don't even have checkbooks anymore.

But do you know how much money is going to be in your account after? you pay your bills. Right. And so kind of living by the seat of your pants is what I would say can kind of characterize this combined presentation. Yeah. And I was diagnosed with combined. And it makes so much sense because I always, the hyperactivity is the big really for me, the part that and the impulsivity that has affected my life, I guess, still in a negative way. But the inattentive, if I have to go somewhere and it's a 30 minute drive and I need an hour to. to get ready, that should be clearly an hour and a half. For some reason, my brain can't math the math. And I have to ask my husband, please let me know when I should start getting ready.

Is this, it is just, you know, my brain doesn't work like, like it doesn't see the big picture for some reason. I don't know why I also struggle to follow directions, like step by step directions, putting together IKEA furniture. I'm going to figure it out. because if I try to read the instruction manual, it's not happening. But where I see it the most in my life with the hyperactivity is with relationships. And so it seems really fun. People, they'll see me on YouTube and you know what they'll say, we should be best friends.

And oh my gosh, you're so fun. I can't wait to hang out with you. And then I'm around people for any extended period of time. and they cannot wait to get away from me. Because I am so hyper. And I feel like I'm like, oh, we could do this and this. And I interrupt people when they're talking. And that impulsivity is all funning games until it's not.

And I saw this as a child too. As kids started to get older and seem more mature, I stayed very immature. And I'm still very immature to this day. Is this what you're seeing as like a classic thing? Yeah, that's classic. So even like the research literature shows that for kids with ADHD, when there are peer ratings of popularity in the classroom or who kids want to be on a team, typically kids with ADHD who are hyperactive and impulsive are going to be the last people to be chosen,

they're going to be ranked the lowest, they're going to have the most difficult time forming these friendships that are long lasting. And that's that social functioning. And one of the reasons is because when you're young, when you're very young, the person who has ADHD and who is hyperactive is so much fun to be around because they're unpredictable life of a party. And even for brief spurts as an adult, that can be fun. But it's exhausting over time.

And so kids tend to reject those children who are more hyperactive and impulsive because they find them annoying, right? And so then a lot of the work we have to do with those kids is social skills training, to try to help them to be aware of social cues. Like if someone isn't looking at you anymore and you're still talking, they checked out. It's time for you to ask them a question about themselves to bring them back in, right? With that social reciprocity being able to say, well, what do you think? And then when somebody tells you what they think, making sure that you're listening,

because many times you're in your own brain thinking of what you're going to say next, you haven't heard anything that person says. So being an active listener, watching their mouths, watching their eyes, repeat back in your head, the things that they're saying to you so that you can show that you're actually interested. So if you think about it, that is a lot of work for a person whose frontal lobe of the brain is having difficulty with managing what's the important information, what is the extraneous information I don't need to attend to, how can I plan, how can I organize, how can I be present? And so what happens with people with ADHD is your frontal lobe is

basically overloaded. And so it's hard for you to do that communication or those engaging interactions that require multiple steps. When it comes time, though, to do that thing you love, you excel because you get super focused on it. You can get in there for hours and just focus on that one thing. I know that you talked about being in being more immature than the other kids and then moving ahead of you. But even now as an adult, in social settings, people may get exhausted or your husband may get exhausted and need breaks. Yeah, mostly the husband.

Yes, mostly the husband. But, you know, you pick the you, like, I assume that there was a reason that he was attracted to you and so that you all likely kind of compliment each other. And so he can give you that feedback and kind of give you that structure. And you can also help him with like the unstructured fund. Exactly. That's exactly it. He's so responsible.

And he follows these rules where I really struggle with just all of that. I was watching a keynote speech that made me ball like a baby. And the gentleman who was giving it said he just really summarized this beautiful thing by saying, the world is filled with hunters and farmers. And so the hunters always like, you know, they're kind of like looking and they're like, oh, I got to get there. There could be a gazelle, which I have to chase. down at any moment. And it's like, you know, that inattentive, but also attentive, but just in

all the stimuli. And then there's farmers who are planting the seeds and they're following this methodical order and they're putting things the right distance apart and they're following schedules. And the world is built where we live in a farmer society. Yet there are still some of us hunters kind of trying to adapt. And that was such a beautiful metaphor for me because I, I do struggle with that following the steps, the rules, kind of slowing down. But medication has helped. There's a lot of stigma, I think, attached sometimes to medication. And I would love your opinion about that.

And are there things we can do, especially my listeners who maybe aren't diagnosed? That could perhaps mimic the same effects that I'm getting, I don't know how it works. But somehow I take a stimulant. Yes. And I feel calmer. Yes. And my brain slows. Yes.

So what's happening is that the stimulant allows, like you said, your brain to slow. So neurotransmitters in the brain, the stimulant is helping neurotransmitters in the brain be able to function and be absorbed or to be able to connect to the appropriate regions of the brain, right? If there's too much of a neurotransmitter, we can have issues. If there's too little of it, we can have issues. if it is not being absorbed to the correct synapse and all this other stuff, right? Right.

These neurotransmitters send signals in our brains. What the stimulants do is help our brains to slow a bit. If you give a kid Coca-Cola or coffee and they slow down, they likely are presenting with some hyperactive impulsive symptoms, right? So I know that I probably should not be drinking on the podcast because you all might be able to hear me swallow and I hope that you're not hearing me swallow. But this morning, I did not have coffee as I started my day. day and I wanted to make sure that I had coffee when I spoke with you because it helps me.

It's like comforting for me. It helps me to regulate. I learned in grad school when there was a meeting that I was dreading or avoiding. If I got myself a cup of coffee, I could sit through the meeting and I took copulous, like I took notes. And that's how I stayed on task. And so coffee has been a thing that stayed with me. Now it's also been recommended that I perhaps should try medication. And I'm looking into that.

But I teach in a psychiatry fellowship program at the Morehouse School of Medicine, where psychiatry fellows, those people who are specializing in child and adolescent psychiatry, are learning how to treat children in adolescents with medication and therapy so that they can become more certified. So first line of defense, medication is excellent, excellent intervention for ADHD. But first you want to make sure that you really have ADHD. get a diagnosis through neuropsychological testing, right? Or by going to a psychiatrist or psychologist and engaging in a psychological evaluation

where they'll use objective measures. That means like questionnaires. They may ask you to give one to your partner. They may ask you to give it to a parent. They may ask you to give it to a coworker. Objective measures make sure that we're not just taking your subjective self-report because you may want the diagnosis or you may not want the diagnosis. And so you might engage in behaviors where you rate things higher or low based on what you want your

needs to be. And so for externalizing disorders, we really need information from outside raters. People around you sometimes can see these behaviors better than you can. They're more aware than you are. After that's done, typically we would refer you to a psychiatrist for medication management. Now, culturally, this can be an issue. There are different communities who culturally have experienced. disenfranchisement around mental health and health in general. And so they are wary of medication

and concerned about would medication potentially lead to drug abuse. And so what the literature actually shows is the opposite, not being treated appropriately can put you at a greater risk for drug abuse because you are seeking something to regulate. You might find that alcohol regulates you to a certain extent. You may find that cigarettes help to calm you down. You may find that other street drugs do that. So what we really want to do, I'm sorry, I'm a shut up, was we really want people to get a diagnosis and to see a medical expert first. What were you going to say? I'm sorry. I'm just like that I hear this a lot with because I am of the age now where my friend group, they have children. And even over the past like, you know, 10 years, it's, well, I don't

want my kid to be a zombie and I don't want to medicate them and I don't want them to get addicted to drugs. And I'm thinking, I smoke so much weed because I was self-medicating to calm my brain. I drank. I was also looking for stimuli. I did crime. I shoplifted compulsively as a young kid. The whole time, right, if I had a diagnosis and if I had medication, I promise you, none of that would have happened. Yes. And even though I'm taking a stimulant, I can't get a, like say I'm going on vacation, they are like, oh, this is a regulated substance. I have to talk to the pharmacist every time. Like they don't give you extra because people use it to get high. And I'm like, who's getting high off of this? Because I'm calming down. And there's a shortage. And so we really need people to take

it seriously. You know, there's a shortage. It can be really difficult to get your medication. Yeah. So interesting. So. But again, let's take medication off the table, especially for people who are struggling to get diagnosed. When I actually requested to talk to a psychiatrist to get a formal diagnosis, I waited six months to see him. I walked in. He asked me three questions. He said, you are too successful to have ADHD. People who have ADHD couldn't, like, run a business. And I was so taken aback by that because I'm like, bro, I had to set like 50 alarms just to get here and I'm still 15 minutes late and I'm struck, you know, in all these areas. So finally I met with another psychiatrist and did go through all

the things and got a diagnosis. But it's tough. It is hard. It's tough. So if we take this off the table, are there other strategies that we can do to help regulate, calm down, maybe help with inattentive, if that's what we're struggling with, help with our focus. What can we do? I love that you ask that question. I have a downloadable resource that I just put on my website to try to help adults with organizational skills. It's not exhaustive, but it's a slight guide. One of the things is that we have lots of tools in our everyday lives that we can really do a better job of taking advantage of. And so, first things first, there aren't. enough mental health professionals who are able to diagnose ADHD and who are able to treat

it in accordance with evidence based and who are available to prescribe. So the strategy that you did where you went to see your primary care doctor was excellent. Now what I will tell you is that there is also some bias that can come in come up in terms of like race, right? So I know that there have been situations where some black men who clearly have ADHD have gone to medical providers for stimulants and been turned down. So you don't, nope, you can have an antidepressant, but you can't have a stimulant, right? So what's that about? Yeah.

Okay. So trying to make a negative assumption as if black people are going to be using this as drugs or that black men don't have a, right? So that's one thing. There are communities that when they present and you as a white woman went to a doctor and they told you, you were too successful to have it, right? So there can be all of these experiences with like shame, with being invalidated. They could make people totally turn against mental health systems.

So I'm really glad that you went to see a different provider. And that's what I would say to other people. If you go to one person and it's not a good fit, find somebody else. Go on any of these websites. Check out your behavioral health in network behavioral health care attached with your insurance. Even if you're on the marketplace insurance, some of the marketplace insurance, some of the marketplace insurances have behavioral health providers who are in network. So that's one thing. The other thing is, it's like, how do you stay the course? Especially if family is worried,

like I heard you say, your friends are saying, oh, I don't want my kid to be a zombie. If your kid is a zombie, it means the medication dosage is off. You talk to your doctor, just like you would talk to your doctor about any other medication. I'm experiencing lethargy. I'm having difficulty with my appetite. That medical provider, then adjust the medication. There are many different types of ADHD medications that don't all operate in the same way. So one size doesn't fit all. Ritalin work for you. Concerta might work for somebody else. Foklin might be better. Chera might be better. Right. So I just named four different types. Vibans. That's what I'm on now. Yeah. You know. And so it's not just a one size fits

all model. But for adults who want to get organized, use these devices. Right. You've got digital calendars and then also consider buying yourself physical calendar that you can write on and hang up, right? Setting alarms and calendaring and making sure you have alerts attached to specific items is a great first step. And then starting the practice of when I wake up, I look at my calendar. I check my calendar once, I check my calendar twice. Then I go get dressed. And I come back and I look at my calendar to make sure I'm still on target, that there's nothing I forgot. So I think that's like a very basic thing you can do. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. So good. Yeah, I'm sorry. Sorry, give it, give them all. Okay. Another basic thing you can do is avoiding this like thinking

traps. So in cognitive behavioral therapy, we say that people have negative distortions or thinking traps that result in them experiencing anxiety, depression, or other symptoms because they get stuck in these behavioral patterns. One of the patterns that people with ADHD get stuck, in is this go ahead and forget about it, think about it later, I'm going to have enough time. This underestimating the amount of time it takes to complete something or time blindness, losing track of time. So one of the things you've got to do is you've got to lay your clothes out the night before or you have to have your clothes hung up in order so that you're not just grabbing stuff out of drawers and you're wrinkled in your mess. You've got to give yourself

additional time. So where it might take another person an hour and 30 minutes to make that doctor's appointment, get dressed, and have enough travel time, you may need to add on an additional hour. And it's okay to add on that additional hour. And you say to yourself, adding this additional hour will help me to be calm and then I'll be able to say kind things to myself. When you're 15 minutes late, I'm an idiot. Look at what I did. I messed up again. They're going to think I'm so off, right? You're putting all of that negative stuff into the environment, negative thoughts into your mind, your energy is off. If we can put some steps in place that make you feel proud, And you can say to yourself like, I did it.

It really worked when I took an extra hour. I'm so proud of myself for being organized and laying this out the night before. Yes, maybe I waited till the last minute for this one thing and I did this other thing. Well, we've got to do a lot of positive self-talk to try to shift our thinking and to reinforce us and engaging in these behavioral practices. Yeah, that's so good. Something that was really helpful for me, too, even before my diagnosis was like I needed dopamine. mean. I needed the little rush and the win, which is why I did all the bad things. Let me tell you. But what I found was especially like my house was a wreck, like hoarders level bad. But if I did

something really tiny and I finished it. So if I was like say to start a project and even if I worked on it for hours, but I didn't complete it, I didn't get the rush. Yeah. So then I just became like a rush seeker in my house. This sounds bonkers, but I'm like, I'm going to find five things to declutter. Or I'm going to, if I set a timer, I'm going to work on this for 10 minutes. Even though I wasn't done, I got that dopamine done, which got me kind of addicted to progress a little bit. I have this like two-pageer thing on my website where I literally say, break things down into smaller a task, set a timer, five to ten minutes, get that one thing done and reward yourself. It's called scaffolding, right? And so rather than looking at the entire task of I need to

clean my kitchen, break that down into the dishes, need to get out of the dishwasher, I need to throw things that are old out of the refrigerator, I need to put the waters in the pantry and need to wipe the counters. Take one. Dishwasher, five minutes. Okay, set my time. All right, I did dishwasher up. Look at me. Kitchen is on. way to progress. Then the next one, right? Because even like giving yourself that praise is a reinforcer. And then when you've gotten everything done and when you've got it done halfway, you can reward yourself with something you want to do. Maybe you turn the music on and have a dance party. Maybe you like watch a show and you're like, okay, I'm going to come back to it after this 30 minute

episode. So the more we see ourselves having success with small tasks, the less we engage in procrastination because we get overwhelmed with large tasks, right? large tasks that we think we can't accomplish or that we think are going to take a lot of time, we avoid because we're not reinforced by it. And ADHD is a disorder of reinforcement. So you're getting those dopamine hits and your brain is really wired for those dopamine hits, but it has to work hard to get them. The stimulant is what boost your brain to the level where it's not so hard to get those dopamine hits.

So for your brain, if you got ADHD, you work really hard and that's the hyperactivity. You've got to be moved. You've got to move to be reinforced. And other people just think you're crazy and you're busy. You're like, no, I need sunshine and brightness. I'm moving because I want to be excited. Totally. Absolutely.

The other hack that has really worked for me is, which makes sense now, but at the time that it was working, I didn't realize, I call it going to zombie land. But basically, I listen to an audio book, like a naughty one, like with bats boys. If you know, Court of Thorn and Roses, you know what I'm talking about. I tried it. I tried it, but I couldn't get through it.

I made it to the middle. Really? I was in it for the sexy time. Okay. I'm in it for the sexy time. So I'm listening to my very raunchy books, whatever they are. And my brain is so into the book that my body is now, without me even realizing it, doing the boring stuff.

So if I do anything boring that I don't need to have a brain for, cleaning, declutter. organizing, basically following, put together furniture instructions. You know, that's what it's like when you have to do these things. You know,

it feels like putting together IKEA furniture. So your zombie land is a real behavioral practice, right? Where we pair something that is unwanted with a desired activity to make it more likely that the undesirable activity will occur.

And so for you is turning on that audiobook to increase the chance that you are going to be able to declutter. So you've paired those two things together, and now you're enjoying it, and you're getting something done. The audiobooks for me are, I have a very long drive to and from my office,

and it is very annoying. And if I've got great audio books, I can stay alert, and I don't dread the drive quite as much. I look forward to the drive. The other thing is music. If I've got a great playlist, I can get through activities in the house,

like fixing up the website or getting my business things done, right? You got those taxes and the things that you've got to get done that you put off. I have my music on. I can rock out. So I'm pairing. I love my music.

Don't really love getting things organized, but got them together. I can get it done. I love it so much. Yeah, this is so good. So the last thing I want to share with you is I somehow, became an organizing expert, which is, it's very weird. Listen, because I suck so hard at organization,

my brain, my ADHD brain is always, there's got to be a better way. There's got to be an easier way. How can I do a shortcut? How can I do a hack? I'll spend 20 hours trying to find a hack to make a five minute thing easier. Something's wrong with me, but that's okay. What I found was following traditional organization like filing cabinets or putting things into compartments, sorting into containers. I can set it up, but I can't maintain it on a day-to-day basis. I don't have the attention span. Yes. Also using it as boring. Yes. And so I would just set everything down without thinking. I'd just like spread or shove in drawers, shove in closets. So what I discovered was I needed to embrace that about myself and ditch traditional organization and come up with these fast,

easy macro, I call them, approaches. Like instead of a filing cabinet, I just have a basket that's paid bills 2026 and I chuck everything in there and then I deal with it at tax time. And that changed my life and it led to the four different organizing styles and it led to the success in my business. But it really came from when I look at it, it came from my inattentive. hyperactivity brain, not able to follow traditional step-by-step-by-step boring methodical type things. And I think this is why it relates to people.

And I do think a lot of people probably have ADHD if they struggle with traditional organization. Because it requires executive function that we just don't have. And we can build it. but if you don't know you have it or you don't have the resources or you don't have anybody teaching you how to build it, then you really struggle. So when you all first reached out, I was like, what if I showed them the inside of the closet in my bedroom or my pantry? I always say my closet in my bedroom is like where ADHD goes to party or to die because the most I can do is hang up clothes. But when you look at the shelves, things are just thrown.

I just throw everything up there and then I come back to it later or after I travel takes me about five to seven days to unpack a suitcase because I've got to get in a zone where I say I can put all of these things back. And so I think your success is linked to the fact that there are lots of people dealing with this. I am a open the drawer, shove it in the drawer, don't open the drawer. But when you come in my house, it looks like it's okay. just don't open a drawer.

You're a ladybug. I call that a ladybug. Yeah, for sure. You're ladybugging stuff. Yeah, so I'm the same way. Guess what?

I hate, I don't fold. I'm one of the leading, organizing experts in the world, apparently. This is what I've been told. I do not fold. I shove my clothes like a basketball,

like a hoop. I don't have a dresser. I use baskets. I love to hang. I do hang, things that could get wrinkled, but I can't. make myself do the meticulous folding pudding. So I just shove into baskets. And I,

you can embrace this too, this quick, easy. You definitely have the ADHD, my friend. You definitely have it. Thank you for diagnosis. I'll diagnose you. You can diagnose yourself what I'm here to do for you. No, I love the basket method. I will fold. Putting away is hard. I like to stack. And I'll just have stack. Yeah, and I've had so many clients who are the same way. And guess what? We just had a shelving unit for the stacks of clean baskets to go on. So it's like, why does it have to be a way in a traditional way? Why can't it, why can't the basket be the away? But it's just like now it's like a laundry hamper and it literally is a shelf that fits laundry hamper. So it feels not chaotic, but it's no more work than just having the basket on the floor that you have to get to later. And I think when we understand how our brain works, when we do get that diagnosis, or maybe you just diagnose yourself, it's still that piece of, oh, okay, I'm not lazy. There's nothing wrong with me. How can I hack the system to work with my brain instead of trying to change my brain?

Love that. I just found it so helpful to stop blaming myself for my messy home to stop believing and blame like the system. Like that just doesn't work for me, but I'm going to find something that does. And I did. I found things that worked and got really excited about it. And suddenly the thing that was like awful that I hated about myself became the thing I was so proud because I found another way that actually worked. I love that.

Yeah. In terms of like externalizing, so taking the focus off of yourself and saying there's something wrong with me. but externalizing it too. There are systems that were set up before I got here that said things had to be done in this way. But I'm a hunter. I wouldn't have had to organize the rows of seeds

and to make sure that they were just apart and to know when they needed to be planted. I'm supposed to be out and being adventurous and looking and hiding and trying, you know, catching different types of prey. And so when we think about, all right, yes, we may exhibit symptoms of ADHD and we may struggle, but that doesn't mean that there's something wrong with us.

That means that in certain settings, we really excel in those settings where we're able to think outside of the box, come up with new solutions. Like you keep saying your hacks, like you've got hacks, you've got different types of organizing styles. All of that came out of the fact that you have a brain that is very flexible. And one of the things that people with ADHD have that doesn't get talked about enough is cognitive flexibility. You can be really rigid in your area of hyperfocus, that thing you just love.

But when it comes to solving a problem, you can think of lots of different ways. You don't have to follow the rules as they were set before. And that's what allows you to kind of externalize things and to say, it's not my problem that people think clothes should be folded. These clothes are in a basket and this is the underwear basket and this is a search basket. I'm organized enough. It's like good enough. Yes.

You know, we talk about to parents a lot about just being a good. good enough parent. Your child is safe. They're nurtured. They're clothed. They're fed. You're good enough. I love that. Yeah. It's the C student advantage. Let me just tell you. Because there, I mean, I struggled in school for sure. So I felt a lot of failure because I failed so hard. So as an adult, I'm not really afraid to fail. Failing's just like a typical day for me. But I do think that gives you a little bit of freedom to try things because there isn't that perfectionism mindset of, well, what if this doesn't work out? But also having ADHD means that I was corrected my whole life. And I think for my listeners, if you're listening to this and you

have been corrected, so, oh, that's not the way to do it. Do it this way. Why are you doing that? Stop doing that. Calm down. Sit still. Stop talking so much. Why can't you just manage your money. Why can't you be more organized? Why can't you just put the clothes away when you're done folding them? That can also make you kind of afraid sometimes. To try things. To try things. Can I break in there too? If you're a parent or a partner and you keep asking a person that why question, it is not helpful. They don't know the answer, most likely. And all the interpretation is that they are being put down and they can't get anything right. So rather than asking a question that you think you know the answer to, that the other person may not know the answer to, make a statement and make it kind.

I notice it's hard for you to put the clothes away. I would recommend you use this basket. I notice it's hard for you to get the work done as soon as school is out. Take a 20-minute break and have your snack. Set your timer. When 20 minutes is over, start the homework. do it for 10 minutes and take a break. So rather than questioning and putting down, sometimes people just need you to give them a system or a solution. And if that solution

doesn't work, you all can work together. But to ask the why can't you, why don't you, why won't you, just makes people feel worse. And so if you can reframe that and say, what you noticed in a kind way, I've noticed that this is hard. One of the things that might help as if you did it this way. Let's try it this way. It's more of like a collaborative approach that might make a child definitely feel better. And it also teaches them a new way of thinking

about problem solving. Yeah, and it makes the person also who is potentially an adult with undiagnosed ADHD feel better too because they're asking themselves, why can't I? Why can I just do the dishes? Why can't I just get this done?

Instead, what if you just are like, my brain doesn't do things in the traditional way? What's another way? How can I get this done fast and crappy so I can move on to something fun? How can I just give myself- Fast and crappy is done? Or find a different way. How can I find like a different way to do this that maybe doesn't feel like putting together IKEA furniture kind of thing?

That is a freedom that I didn't know I needed. just getting that, yeah, just having, man, a diagnosis changed nothing, okay? But it also changed everything. Yes. Because I was able to look at myself differently instead of it being like, what's wrong with you. I know what's wrong with me. It's a real thing. I got a real thing.

I got a real thing. How can I make it easier for me? This was so amazing. Thank you so much. Please let my listeners know where they can. learn more about you, how they can follow you, and how they can get that amazing resource you created. Thank you for having me. This has been really amazing. Listeners can follow me at Dr. Kristen, K-R-I-S-T-I-N-J-O-Y on Instagram. They can also visit my website, Carruthers, as Carr and

others in one word, consulting group.com, where I've got mental health. resources. There's a whole page with some downloadable resources and especially this one, getting yourself organized and getting it done for keeping it real with ADHD. So it's on there and some other resources are there too, along with links to different websites if you're looking for therapists or providers. Thank you so much. I just, I could talk about ADHD all day and you're doing good work because there are a lot of us adults out there who it's tough. We don't really know what's going on. We weren't diagnosed as kids, and it's tough to get a diagnosis as an adult sometimes. So I appreciate you talking about this and just spreading the word and shining a light on something that I think can

change a lot of lives. So thank you. Thank you so much. It's really been a pleasure. And I'm going to go to your website so I can learn more about what it is like. You're a ladybug. You got a ladybug stuff. I'm a ladybug. It will change your life. Get the like a basket's everywhere. And then you're like, look at me. I'm organized. If you saw my bathroom, I do have some bad. And I put baskets upstairs for my dad. Yes, I have baskets. You just need to buy like a million baskets and then label them. And then you're just winning in life. I love that. Thank you. I'd like to take a second to thank today's podcast sponsor, Caraway cookware. I switched to Caraway pots and pans a few years ago. And I got to say, it's changing the way I cook in my kitchen.

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or use the code Clutterbug 10 at checkout. I really, I could talk all day about ADHD, and I really loved talking to Kristen because she's a doctor that helps people and still has these traits in herself that I can see and recognize, right? We're not broken. there is nothing wrong with us. Our brain just works a little bit differently. And when we can find tools and strategies and shortcuts and hacks and solutions, we can live our best life. Like we can not only be like every, we can thrive, man. We can really, really excel. So I hope you learn something

today. I hope you're feeling inspired today. And I hope more than anything, you know that. that you are not alone, you're not broken, there's nothing wrong with you. You just need a different system. Guess what time it is. It's time for a quick talk to cast segment. I love hearing from you. This is so fun. All right, let's start with Anonymous. Hey, big fan. I have been working to declutter with my partner for what seems forever. And every time we go through the process of making decisions to get rid of things because we're both very much overrun with stuff. We get to the point of making decisions of what we keep and what we're not going to keep. But the problem is that once we've made that decision, it won't leave our house.

I get stuck on the process of how to actually get rid of stuff, where to go. Also, we don't own a car. So lugging a bunch of shit around is really, really difficult. and some of it is like clothing waste and some of it is like old stuff that like recycling centers don't accept. And so I'm realizing that a huge bottleneck to getting our home into a place that feels better has basically gets halted when it comes to getting things out of the house. And I do try to do due diligence in posting to buy nothing groups. and I've gotten rid of some stuff, but the bulk of everything that we have is feels impossible to get rid of without just throwing it all in the dump. And we don't really have the means to do that financially or vehicularly.

And so I was wondering if you had any suggestions for resources of places or organizations that could help us to get rid of the stuff we finally decided to get rid of. Yeah, this is tough. You're doing exactly what I would suggest, which is the buy nothing groups. I also think just general Facebook marketplace. So laying things out, taking pictures, putting it for free and uploading it to Facebook marketplace. A lot of people don't necessarily always go to the buy nothing groups. If you're putting it out for free and people don't want it, this is a harsh thing. But listen, it's anonymous. So I feel I can just say it. If people aren't going to take it for free, they're definitely not going to take it at a, they're not going to buy it at a donation shop. Just put it in a black trash bag and put it in

the trash. So however you dispose of your actual garbage, yeah, if you live in an apartment, there's usually like a dumpster behind or even putting things to the curb in black trash bags, that's what you're going to do, even if it's a big piece of furniture. Again, if people don't want it for free. They're not going to buy it at a donation shop. You are not a bad person. Everything ends up in a landfill eventually. So it's time for you to just embrace who the freak cares. I'm putting myself first. My home matters and get it out. And a black trash bag is the easiest way to do that. So I know, I wish I had other resources here in Canada. We have like the Canadian Diabetes Society that will come and pick up. What they do is actually just give it all to Value Village, Value Village.

buys it off of them, blah, blah, blah. But at the end of the day, like, if you don't have a service like that or a charity that does pickups, who cares? It's got to go. If people aren't willing to get it for free, they're not going to buy it at a charity shop anyways. So you've done nothing wrong, my friend, with confidence. Throw that shit in the trash. Let's hear from Heather. Hi, Cass. This is Heather. I just watched your video on Bean Sprouts, and I have two things to share with you. One is a bean sprout hack and the other is a lesson on why it is important to clean your toaster regularly. So the first thing about the bean sprouts, did you know that you can grow bean sprouts in a mason jar? It is amazing. I found this little kit on Amazon and it comes with the strainer lid

and the sprouting seeds. And basically all you have to do is put a couple scoops of seeds in the jar and let them soak overnight. And then two times a day, for a few days, you rinse and drain the seeds. And in about a week, you have a jar full of bean sprouts. And there's no dirt or e coli involved. And if I can do this, anybody can do this because I do not. have a green thumb, I kill everything I touch, and even I was able to do it. So that's just a fun little trick that I learned about beans sprouts. The next thing is a lesson on why it's

important to clean your toaster regularly. Now this isn't actually my story. This is a story that my husband told me. He's also a firefighter. And at his station, one of the guys decided to clean out the toaster oven one day. Who knows how long it had been since the toaster oven was cleaned out. But he just randomly decided to clean out the toaster and found a crispy dead mouse in it. So, yeah, the guys had been cooking their toast and bagels and English muffins. and it was all infused with mouse. So that's just a little lesson on why you should regularly clean your toaster.

So I hope you find these things helpful. You've helped me so much with decluttering, and I just wanted to give you a couple little tips as well. So thank you so much for everything you do. awesome. I love you. Goodbye. Heather, you're also awesome. First of all, that I literally wrote this down with a little star. I am going to go and order the crap out of that bean sprout in a jar thing because I love beans sprouts, but I just don't trust myself to have them in the house. And also, they go bad so quickly. You buy a bag. You better eat them that day or you're risking your life.

So this is so exciting. Thank you. I'm going to try that. And yeah, the mouse and the in the toaster. I'm going to, this, it's things like this that give me like a little bit of PTSD. I think every time I go to make toast now, I'm going to like peeky poo inside and see if there's a dead mouse. So thank you for that. But also, yeah, everybody, let's clean our toasters. Don't turn it upside down and shake it on the counter like I do. That's a dumb thing. There's a thing in the bottom that you pull out. Okay. Thank you, Heather. I just heard this comedian story where he's like afraid of mice and there was mice in his house. So he called an exterminator and they put down a bunch of like rat poison. He was like, just let him die. Let him die. And then six months later,

his water pressure was really bad. So he called a plumber. Do you know where this is going? Do you? He lives somewhere where they had like the water tank, you know? Yes. So the mice, because what it does is it makes them like it sucks all the water out of them. So they were so thirsty, they all went in the hundreds and hundreds of mice, went in the water tank, and then their dead rotting bodies kind of like solidified to the bottom, and then clogged and clogged the pipe. And the guy's like, oh my God, have I been drinking it? Apparently it was a different thing. The guy's like, no, no, no, you have it.

It's just you've been showering and brushing your teeth with that water for six months. And apparently this is super normal. So if you have like, I don't know what it's called, like the extra water for like showering and stuff, it's not your drinking water, but it could have mice in there. Last but not least, let's hear from Bell. Hi, Cass, I'm Bell from Miami, Florida, and I have a do-it shitty. I always had a problem with leaving clothes that I'd worn laying around. And I decided to put a couple of hooks inside my closet doors. and I have one for empty hangers and the other for airing out clothes that I can either wear again or put away.

And I just thought that I'd share that with you. Thank you so much. I love it. That is so, it's simple hooks, right? It can make such a difference in the clutter because, yeah, what do you do with the jeans and the hoodies? Even the pajamas. My kids, you know what? do, they throw it down the laundry chute and I wash an obnoxious amount of laundry. But what we should do

is have like a little resting spot for them to go until we wear them again or until we actually put them away. But who wants to put something worn back in the club? I don't know. It feels weird. So hooks it is smart. Like I'm not going to judge someone who puts the things that are worn a few times back away. You know, personally, I'm lazy and I just feel like having this third place like a spot. for dirty clothes, a spot for clean, and a spot for the in-between. It just makes sense. But I also know of a lot of people who just hang it back up, which again, you do you, boo. I hope you got something done today. I hope you did a little prep work to get ready for summer. And again, if you haven't already checked out the 10 ways, 10 freeways to get organized for summer on my other YouTube channel,

make sure you go watch that video now. It was awesome hanging out with you guys. I feel like I'm going to go get my butt in the garden right now. I'm going to go make this summer. awesome. I also have a summer bucket list. You're going to find the link to that on that YouTube channel. Maybe we'll throw it in the show's notes here too to inspire you to have more fun. Sometimes we forget to actually enjoy these few precious months we have of nice, beautiful weather. And we just need a little inspiration. So check out that summer fun bucket list too. Thank you guys so much and I'll see you next time.