Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 103: Breakups, Frustrations and Memory Loss

Episode Date: October 31, 2019

On this week's Coffee Convos Podcast, Lindsie and Kail talk about laundry struggles, Teen Mom 2 reunion trouble and the difference between a nine-to-five job and working in reality television. The ladies discuss Teen Mom show crossovers and pinning girls against each other, their breakup with Starbucks and Dunkin for messed up orders, and the frustration of forgetting your phone while traveling. Lindsie follows up on the funny school pictures conversation, and Lux's famous first school photo. The girls also share and discuss their positive experiences partnering with Blessings in a Backpack to give back to kids in need. Kail talks about why she feels like something is wrong with her memory. Don't forget to check out the Coffee Convos Website.  

Hey guys, welcome to Coffee Combo's. Wow, like I was not not prepared. Prepared for that. No, I wasn't. I mean, I just thought that I would put some, some emphasis on this morning since we had such a shit show of a weekend, you know, and you're not feeling well. So I thought maybe we make you feel better. I know.

Well, thanks. That actually did make me feel a little bit better. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to take some voice lessons. So in 2020, I can truly sing it with all the vibrato. Oh my gosh. Well, I can't, I can't wait for 2020 to see what kind of voice it brings for you and more ways than just like a good singing voice, but just like a new voice.

And yeah, so how's your morning been? My morning's been okay. We had a little bit of a slow start since I don't have the other boys this week and I only have Lux. I did get him to school a little bit later than usual just because I didn't have like the time crunch to get the older boys to school first. So it's been kind of nice. And then I knew that you were going to the doctor.

So I was like, let me just take my time. I did stop at Starbucks. So we, we've been back together on and off for a little while now. And yeah, I was just waiting to see what the doctor said about how you're feeling basically. I think that I have a sinus infection, but I'm not really sure. But this morning, whenever I woke up, I felt like my head was going to blow off of my shoulders and I was like, oh, wow, oh, wow, this doesn't seem good. So maybe I should get this checked out.

And then I also have a sore throat and will went to the doctor last week for a sore throat. He said he woke up at three o'clock in the morning and he couldn't swallow. So he didn't know like what was going on and his throat felt like raw. So he went to the doctor, had a strep test because he was like, this must be strep throat. But I think a lot of people get confused that you can have a strep throat and like not even have a sore throat. Right. And you can also have strep throat and not have it show up on the strep test because there's

viral strep and there's bacterial strep. And that one only test for, I'm sure a doctor will, yeah. So the strep test will only test for, I believe bacterial strep and not viral strep. Oh God. So I didn't kiss Will for like six days, but then I did kiss him last night when I got home. So I'm like, okay, did he give me some type of like fungus or something? But no, I don't know.

Like I don't know what it even is. I'm just like, what the hell? And then I did strip my bed this morning. Because that was a good feeling. I love the feeling of clean sheets. Like who's with me? Oh, I have to do that today for sure. Do you strip your bed like weekly?

Yeah. I do it once a week, me, the boys and the guest room, although I stripped the guest room a couple of weeks ago, I washed the sheets and I never put them back on. So it's like I almost feel like I need to like rewash them even though nobody slept in them and they weren't even on the bed. Oh my God. They're just because they've been like laying there like unfolded or like not on the bed. Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah. I sometimes do that with laundry. You feel me? Like I will get some laundry out and then if I don't fold it right away, I'm like, oh shit, I just need to start over. Like I need to put these back in the wash machine. Or have you ever washed something and been like, oh, I let it sit in the washing machine

like a couple of hours too long. So I just need to like start the whole thing over. Oh, I've left them in the dryer for a couple of days. I mean, in the washer a couple of days too long. No. Okay. That's not a thing. I didn't say a couple of days.

I said a couple of hours. Oh, no, no, baby girl. I have left them in the washer for several days. Oh my gosh. Remember that one time that you came to Atlanta and you got your leggings out of your bag and you were like, I can't wear these. These have to go directly in the trash. Oh, they did.

I mean, they definitely did. But currently, like as we speak right now, there is a load in the dryer that's been in there for about four days. Oh, wow. Do you just keep like turning the dryer on like, I'm really going to be productive. I'm going to do something about this. And then you let the dryer go off and then you don't do anything. Correct.

Yes. 100%. And like, so since I have karma, my puppy, she's only like 15 or 16 weeks. So I keep like a nice little cute blanket in her crate. But because she's potty training, sometimes she still will have an accident or two in there. And so I'm constant. I have three pink blankets that I rotate, right?

Like I wash them every, like as soon as one goes in the wash, then I put a new one in there and then that one's washing la-di-da-di-da. So like I always have to have the washer free, but like sometimes I can let the blankets air dry. But then I always, because I always have a load of clothes still sitting in the wash, in the dryer. Kale. I know I'm working on it.

I literally only have, right now I have some like towels and blankets in the washer right now. And then I have like a load of clothes in the dryer. And then I have one load of clothes unfolded in a laundry basket, but I'm going to get to it. I think before you strip your sheets, you should take care of like those other tours first. Okay.

And then strip your sheets. Or maybe you should strip your sheets because then it might encourage you to like have to do the other stuff so that you can finish your sheets. Absolutely. You're right. I should. That's what my goal is for the week. Oh gosh.

For the, for the week. Well, that's, I was thinking like we're going to be like, that's my goal for the day. I mean, it, it would be, but by time we're done podcasting and I upload everything to my computer, I'll have to go get lux and then I have to go to Staples to print a bunch of stuff for my meeting with my attorney tomorrow. And then tomorrow I have the meeting with my attorney and a therapy appointment. And then Wednesday I have court. I only have like Thursday and Friday or free.

Like, when I tell you that my schedule this week is booked with appointments and I, you guys don't forget that I have a 35 minute drive to go get lux and then bring him home. So it's like that right there, right? So it's like, I will tell you. I used to drive like 30 minutes to take Jackson to preschool. And once he started going to school, like really close to the house, once he started kindergarten, it's such a time saver because you don't think about how much time you actually spend in the car, like coming and going, because if I'm spending 30 minutes to drive

there, that means I drive 30 minutes back home, which means then I drive 30 minutes back and 30 minutes back. So that's really two hours out of your day that you're spending to do that. So I'm, I've talked to Leah about that because obviously she lives in West Virginia and it's you have to drive an hour wherever you go. And I mean that she's literally in the car for like hours and hours a day because she's got to drive here and there and everywhere and everything in West Virginia is so the fuck far apart.

So I guess I never really understood when she would say like, Oh, I'll text you in a couple hours when I'm home. I would be like, what are you talking about? But now I get it. I am actually, I had a call this morning. I'm actually getting an office in Dover where my kids go to school because that way I can just have my podcast equipment there and I'm not driving home 30 minutes to podcast to then drive 30 minutes to go like when I have to come home to podcast.

It's actually making me, it's taking more time out of the day. Does that make sense? When I'm already in Dover, drop the kids off at school, I can just work from my office and like I can bring my dog to my office and stuff like that. So I actually found a space that I'm going to get and then I have my realtor has a stager. So my thought was to make the space super Instagrammable and then maybe people will want to do like their lifestyle photo shoots there or like you can come and we can podcast in person sometime or V works and does photo shoots for certain people, like if she ever wanted

to use it, like I want to, that's like what I'm wanting to do right now. I actually love that idea. That's a really good idea. And you know what, another thing I thought of is a lot of people just don't do good working out of their house and I feel like you're one of those people that you need that separation of space and I think that's going to be really good for you because I think it's like healthy because you're not working at home. So like when you go home, you can be home.

Right. Yeah. I mean, and it's nice too because I do have the office at home. So it's functional and it's, it's useful when I need it. But just to like be able to just get out of the house and work in a space that is like I can have my pot head stuff there and I can have my podcast equipment there. And I can also, that's another location I can film at. It's like those are all things that to, you know, take into consideration.

And I think that if I could make it so that other people would be able to use the space too. I mean, obviously people I know and like photographers, but like not like a random people. But I think that would be cool. I think that would be great. So my realtor's on it right now and I'm hoping that I get him. I hope I get the space that I sent him this morning. Well, you'll have to let me know and keep us all updated on that space because as soon

as it gets up and functional and everything, I promise I will come to Dover. And I will come to it. Perfect. Um, sold. Okay, Lindsay. So I have to tell you about this new deodorant that I'm obsessed with and my kids are using. It's filled with ingredients found in nature like coconut oil, shea butter and tapioca starch.

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I got is it. And you blamed me for it or? Yeah, like you're to blame for my zit. Oh, I mean, okay, I'll take the blame for that. So let's get into it. Last podcast, we had ended on a positive note that, you know, we were going to New York City and going, Kale was going to do the reunion and I was coming in town and we were going to podcast and we had teamed up with Teen Mom 2 and we were going to do the domestic

violence episode and just have like a really nice weekend filled with Italian food and just like amazing time, right? I wish I had like a broken record sound right now because actually none of that happened and literally none of it, like not even one of those things happened and I didn't even get to eat spaghetti. I did because I was determined. I was like, no way, like I'm, I'm having Italian like authentic cuisine or I'm going to blow this place up.

Um, yep. Yeah. So why don't you just go ahead and start spilling the beans? Okay, so there's a lot of things that I want to touch on here. One of them being that I have said in the past that this is a job, right? Like being on Teen Mom and the production side of it is a job, however, that does not necessarily mean that we are employees where we are, we are expected to go into a workplace and act a certain way or be professional and these are the expectations.

This is a different type of job and so you never like, I don't know how to describe it. You basically, you get paid to be yourself but also to show up and do these professional things but they're intrusive on your personal life and so there's lines blurred and there's not really an expectation for how someone is supposed to act, right? Because they purposely put you in these situations where you're not going to act like a professional employee. Okay, so let me just preface it with that. In the past, I have gotten into arguments with cast members and specifically Brianna,

do I want to be around her? No, I don't. Do I regret how I acted on TV? Yes, I do because my kids can see that one day. It's not who I really am. I just, I felt like, I don't know. Let me interject before you go any further because I feel like there is no beef with Brianna.

I feel like it's just like clear the air, like it's in the past. Oh, this is not about Brianna. Yeah. Yeah, it's in the past and whatever, like everybody's an adult and I think everybody had some accountability in that situation and has acknowledged the accountability and just moved forward from it. So this is not about that. No, it's not.

But I'm saying this, I'm saying all of that to say over the last year, I've truly reflected on a lot of the things that I've done and so moving forward, I don't want to be involved in those things and I took it a step further by not only agreeing to do the reunion but to also bring my kids because I knew that Brianna and I wouldn't be in the same place. This was not going to be crazy and I wouldn't be put in a situation where my safety, my kids' safety would be compromised. So now we fast forward to remember the expectation thing, right? Well, okay, well, people are saying on Twitter to me, well, why don't you guys just act like

adults, like you're supposed to be acting professionally and la-di-da. Okay, well, if that's the case, if that is the standard, then I expect the same from the production team and MTV itself, right? So giving me a schedule that I'm begging for at 10.30 pm for the next day is probably not the expectation that one would expect from their employer. So I'm asking, I'm on my way to New York on Friday night and 10.30 at night, I'm asking producers, can I please have my schedule for tomorrow? Can I please have my schedule for tomorrow?

Nobody wants to give it to me, why? Because either A, they don't want me to know and they want to blindside me or B, they know and they want to keep me basically under, they want to surprise me. Finally I get the schedule at like 10.30 and it's like seven bullets, right? It's like me, Leah and Chelsea and then it's me and Leah and then it's my solo segment and then it's a break and then it's me and the young and pregnant cast and then it's me and Victoria and Leah. It was mentioned to me prior that I was going to do a segment with the young and pregnant

cast and from what had happened to me about three weeks ago, which I briefly mentioned on the podcast that we would talk about, which we will get into, I basically texted back and was like, you know, I really don't know how comfortable I am with this because I don't really want to be around people at this time. It's just like a lot for me and I've been having really weird anxiety and I just don't know them and I don't really know why they would want me to have just a segment with the girls. It wasn't like the Teen Mom 2 cast versus the young and pregnant cast and we're doing

Jeopardy, right? It was like Kale and the young and pregnant cast, like why me? So one of the producers was like, oh, just keep it on the schedule and if we get there and you change your mind, then don't do it and I was like, okay. So fast forward to the day. I get everything done up until this point and now they have me with Jade on stage with the entire young and pregnant cast and I'm like, okay, why are we here because I don't get it.

There's seven of us on here. I have to physically like move my entire body to look down the freaking couch at Nessa and Drew and I'm just kind of like, I literally even joked with the audience. I was like, what am I going to do? I'm here to mediate some shit. Like what am I here for? Because I knew that Jade and Ashley had beef and Lindsay, you correct me if I'm wrong, but you've seen it on social media.

Yeah, I saw it on social media before I went to New York. So I just saw that, but I didn't really know what was going on. I just knew from like, let's back up. We had done a podcast episode with Ashley when we were in LA and then we introduced Jade as the newest member of the Teen Mom 2 cast at last year's reunion. So our last season. So I knew that there was like some weirdness because I think that they were both kind of under the impression that they were possibly going to be the newest member.

And then I saw Ashley posting on her Instagram story that people were like leaving her out and so on and so forth. So I just kind of put like two and two together, but I didn't know that it was like as big of an issue really as what it was. Right. And neither did I. I mean, I knew Jade had her feelings and she wasn't saying much and I hadn't really checked Ashley's social media, but I knew that she had feelings.

I don't know if she spoke on them personally love Ashley. And I don't really know Jade that well, but we did introduce her through the podcast. So I don't have any issues with that with Jade at all. Okay. So Lindsay, I just wore my Rothy shopping yesterday and I literally walked over 10,000 steps and they're so comfortable. I know they're even made out of plastic recycled water bottles. I know that we've talked about it before.

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I introduced Jade to the Teen Mom 2 cast and then Jade came from the Young and Pregnant cast. That's why Jade and I were on stage and they were going to have the Young and Pregnant girls on our Teen Mom 2 reunion, which that's a completely unrelated whatever. So anyway, I'm making jokes. I'm literally sitting there on the couch like on my phone during breaks like what the fuck am I doing here? Like what?

And I said, okay, so here we go. This is where we get into it. Before the Young and Pregnant cast gets on stage, it's just me and Jade, we move to the next couch so that there's room for the other girls and there's a circle of producers on set and they're in a circle talking and I go up to them and I'm like, hey, and I like raise my hand and I'm like, this isn't a good idea. I'm like, I understand that there's a ton of security and I understand that you guys think that you have it handled.

I said, but this is not a good idea. I said, when Brianna and I got into our shit, Brianna swore she was good to get on stage. Bri and Brittany were perfectly fine to get on stage and everyone thought it was fine and then when she came out acting crazy, I literally didn't even know what was happening and all of that happened. So I said, this isn't a good idea. So whether there's security or not, somebody's going to act up. So the first half of the segment, it was cool.

I would say I could feel the tension, but it wasn't crazy. So I was like, all right, maybe we're going to get through this and it'll be fine. So then Dr. Drew asks a question to Ashley basically about how does she feel about Jade being moved to Teen Mom 2 and that's where all hell breaks loose. So Ashley tried to just end it at, you know, she has her own feelings about it and that's where she's going to leave it. But I don't know if someone whispered in Drew's ear. I don't know if he just came up with the question on his own.

I don't really know. He pushed for more than that and so she says, let's cut the fucking shit. And I mean, I'm pretty sure those were her words. And she comes at Jade, Jade stands up, Jade and Ashley are going back and forth, pussy this, you're a pussy, fuck you. I don't really know what was said. They're cursing back at each other. I'm standing in front of Jade at this point and I'm like, walk off this stage.

This is not worth it. Do not do this because I told you this isn't worth it. She walks off stage, cool. That's diffused. Then Ashley is directly next to Kayla from Young and Pregnant. I don't know Kayla. I've never met her in person. We follow each other on social media, cool.

I'm like, so Ashley addresses Kayla. I don't know where this is going to go. I don't know what their relationship is. So I look at her and I'm like, switch spots with me so that I'm next to Ashley. Me and Ashley are cool. Like Kayla said on the other end, I don't know where it's going to go. She switched spots with me and Ashley is still going. I don't know what's being said.

At this point, I'm not listening. Security is all up on the stage and I look at Kayla who's now on my right and I'm like, maybe you should walk off. And she's like, should I? And I'm not at her to say yes. At this point, Nessa is on my left, a couple people down, and she looks at me and she says, Kayla, sit back. So now you've just pissed me off.

Now I'm pissed off because y'all brought me out here on this fucking reunion to basically mediate the situation because you guys knew that this shit was going to pop off. You guys knew that you were putting girls on stage that didn't fucking like each other. You knew what you were doing. And so I took that as, okay, one, I'm embarrassed because you're telling me what to do. And two, I took it as Nessa is telling me to sit back so that MTV could continue to film it. Where I'm trying to diffuse the situation because these girls are going to regret acting

like this later on. So I'm like, get off the stage and don't film. That's my take on it. I've been there. I've done that. You know what I'm saying, Lindsay? Yeah. I'm now pissed off because I feel like everyone knew this was going to happen and there was

no reason for Jade to be on stage. There was no reason for Jade and Ashley to be on stage. There wasn't. Period. There wasn't. As I said this weekend, anybody who is on the inside of teen mom dealings knows that Jade and Ashley don't like get along. So to press Ashley to answer the question is basically antagonizing her instigating

to get her to have a reaction. And I think at the point that Jade was moved from young and pregnant, she should have never been on the stage with young and pregnant cast again, because everybody knows that is involved with teen mom that girls get very competitive about these up and coming spots of replacements and everybody wants that spot if they're being honest. So then Jade already has a target on her back going into that because she was chosen, right? So I think it was just probably in poor taste from the production side of it. I think that you should have never been involved in the first place.

You've been doing this for 10 years. Why are you sitting on the stage with the new girls from another extension of the franchise? I just, I didn't understand. And then you had had such a great reunion segment and even from my conversations with the producers, they said that it was the best segment that you have ever had in 10 years. So then that messes that whole vibe up. Gave me the chills when you said that because I truly feel that way. Like I truly feel like it was my best segment in 10 years and I feel like I was set up a

little bit and I feel like true disappointment because even the next day when things come down, I left. I walked off the stage. I said, bye, Nessa. I said, fuck this. I'm out. Like you guys really brought me into this for no fucking reason. Like I'm trying to work on myself and I want to show people that I'm working on myself

and I get all the lash back. Oh, well, quit the show then, quit the show then, quit the show then. Oh, act like adults. You guys need to do better. You guys need to not, you guys need to handle yourselves better. So our employers are pressing and instigating these reactions and then we can't control ourselves and then we regret it but then we want to do the show because we want to show people our struggles and it's like people don't understand that and I was so frustrated

to see the backlash that I got for sticking up for Ashley and Jade because I was a little embarrassed by Nessa but she did reach out. She texted me. She apologized, whatever. Okay. I get that. I feel like a huge disappointment in the people that I work for, right? And I'm upset for Jade and for Ashley because Ashley had just got done saying how the show

helps her reflect on how she acts and she wants to do better but then Dr. Drew is going to sit there and push her and instigate her to do certain things like or to act a certain way and then Jade already has huge issues with anxiety. Like why are you going to put her that you're pinning girls against each other and this is not Mori. This is not Jerry Springer. This show is supposed to be used for educational purposes and if you're going to preach that you want to encourage people to use contraception and you want to talk about the awareness

of domestic violence and you want to talk about all these things that are educational, don't then turn around and condone the behaviors, right? Right. I'm disappointed and then it's like, oh, Janelle's in the city and I'm like, oh, great. Well, I just walked off stage for defending Ashley and Jade and now I'm going to get fired and replace with Janelle. Like, like what's going to happen? All right, guys, I know that we've been talking about HempFusion on the podcast for the past

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about feeling like you have to defend yourself, I've been in that situation for the past couple of months because when you do have an audience, you do feel like a need to want to prove yourself for whatever reason and that's a sad thing and I think that you just have to get to the point of like I got last week. No longer we're going to discuss it because I don't have anything to prove. The truth will prove itself and it will, but I think you made a really good point that it was like if MTV wanted to have the Young and Pregnant cast with the Teen Mom 2 girls, I think you made an awesome point.

We used to play games on set on the specials and moments like we used to do funny shit. If they wanted to have them on stage with us, we should have had a Jeopardy game like Teen Mom 2 versus Young and Pregnant or we should have had how well do you know the cast members, Young and Pregnant versus Teen Mom 2, something along those lines, not something that was going to pin girls against each other because the other thing that people need to take into consideration is that these girls are very young. Some of them are not my age, 27, 28 years old. Some of them are only 20.

Some of them are only 19. So you have to take that into consideration too. And they haven't been on TV that long so they don't realize that actually feeling the need to prove themselves is a factor in this. And then Chelsea made a good point that I was like, wow, Chelsea, thank you. When you, Chelsea and I were all in the room after the fact with one of the executive producers, she was like, why did they always put Kale in this situation? It's never Leah.

It's not that I would ever want that for them, but they never asked Chelsea to do it. They never asked Leah to do it. They always asked me to do it. Why? Because I have a history of acting out, reacting, whatever the case may be. Well, now that I'm trying to work on myself, it's almost like I kind of feel a little bit insulted and like disappointed, like aren't you guys rooting for me? Don't you guys want me to do better?

Why are you putting me in these situations? Right. And then on top of all of this stuff going down, the night before I come in to town, I'm texting Kale like final things like equipment, whatever, and about her schedule for Saturday. And then she's like, and it's very weird because Janelle's in town. First of all, we had plans to go get spaghetti on Saturday night and none of that happened. No, you literally were texting me like, okay, I have all the equipment. Do we need anything else?

No, we're good. Okay. Like you're on your way. We're going to go get dinner when I'm done with the night. I was supposed to be done by like eight or nine. We'd go get pasta and like just talk about our plans for Sunday morning, which was the podcast. And I'm like, Hey, by the way, Janelle's in town.

And I only heard because someone came up to me was like, Hey, just want to warn you Janelle's in town. And I don't personally care if she's in town. It was more David that I would care about. If he was in town, I would be highly worried. But I feel like this stuff with Janelle is like water under the bridge at this point. Like if whatever, like it's whatever. Yeah.

I mean, I could have, I could have sat on stage with her. I think I wouldn't, and it wouldn't ever be a thing. It's David that I was more like, please don't ever bring him within feet of me. You know what I mean? Right. And then not only were you told that, then I was text by somebody that told me that also another individual, then I also was told that she was having meetings. Then I also was told that too.

Told by another individual that they were bringing her back and I don't want to start rumors or anything, but that they didn't know to what capacity. So like it might be a special, it might be a guest appearance, it might be a cast member. I just heard. So I don't know if that's true. If it's not true. I don't know what's true or not. I know that I was told that she was there completely unrelated to teen mom too, completely

unrelated to teen mom. It was for something completely separate. However, that being said, she stayed at the same hotel as Jeremy, Leah's ex-husband. And they evidently have some person in common, like a manager or some type of agent. I don't know. And so I'm getting, you know, mixed things. Okay. Why do they have the same agent?

But why is she here at the same time as us? And then I was told by somebody else that she was in fact at the Viacom building and she was in a production room. I don't know where these rumors come from, why people make up certain things. We don't know what was true, what was false, but I don't, I wonder if they would bring her back, even if it's not like a cast member, would they have her back for something? Like I don't know because would they, and would producers like lie to us saying that she was not there for Viacom because we're going to find out if she was, if they air

something. Right. But we also were told. I didn't lie about it. We also were told that Jade wasn't the new teen mom. We also were told that Mackenzie wasn't going to be on OG too. That's a really good point because remember, like when the whole Mackenzie thing went down, we were like, why didn't we announce that?

And they were like, because we're just testing her out or whatever. This is true. You're not lying. So who really knows, but what I can say is I literally landed and landed early and was like excited. I was like, this is going to be a great weekend, like everything's cool. And then let Kale know that I'm on my way to the hotel and I get a text and she's like, I'm leaving.

Wait, let me stop right there. No, no. What I got on my phone was, hey, I'm 25 minutes away from you. Like you texted me saying you're 25 minutes away and I texted back. I'm leaving. Like, I think we texted each other at the same time. Well, yeah, because it was like really quick. Like I got your message like immediately after I sent the message to you.

So I was like, wait, like what, like what's happening? I'm thinking we're making dinner plans. Like I'm leaving the studio. We're going to get dinner. No, at this point, I was so heated that I literally was like, get me the fuck out of the studio. Like I'm not, and that's the biggest thing for me. It's like when I get the backlash, oh, you need to continue filming.

This is your job. This is, yeah, I'm the first one to say this is my job and I'm going to act accordingly. But on the other hand, when I'm being put in fucked up situations, why am I here? I don't get paid. Like I get paid more to sit on my couch and film from home than I do to go be at the studio for 12 hours and get dragged into bullshit that doesn't belong to me. So Lindsay just flew in. She's 25 minutes from the fucking airport and I'm like, fuck this.

I'm leaving. I'm going home. It's a two hour drive for me. Lindsay, they didn't even want to give me a car home because they wanted to convince me to stay. But at this point, I was like, no. I know. And I'm like, what is actually going on?

Because I'm just trying at this point to like piece the pieces together. I literally had no idea what was going on. All right, Kale, I have to tell you something about my current online shopping obsession, but I always feel so magical because I never miss out on a discount. Thanks to honey. Oh my God. I love honey. Um, for those of you who don't know, it's a free browser extension that helps find coupon

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What was going through my head was that I was thinking, okay, I woke up like really early that morning, took a shower. It was pouring down rain in Atlanta and I got dressed, started packing my bags, everything. Jackson had a soccer game. I specifically made my flight so that I could go to Jackson's soccer game and get to New York. So, I stood in the pouring rain, which is probably where I did get sick, to watch him play soccer, got home.

The car was waiting on me when I got home to go to the airport. I packed up all the equipment, everything, took me an hour to pack all of that stuff. I ordered outfits, everything, and then I'm 25 minutes from the hotel and Kale's like I'm leaving. So, I kind of was in a state of shock because I've never had something like that happen to me before. So, I was like, oh wow, I have been traveling since noon and then this was at like almost six o'clock.

And then I'm like, oh wow, so call Kristen and say, hey, Kale's leaving, like can they get me a flight back home? At this point, I'm pulling up at the hotel and Chelsea's walking down the sidewalk with her kids and Cole. I'm sitting in the car, I'm trying to decide if I'm even going to get out of the car or if I'm just going to go back to the airport. I roll down the window and I'm like, Chelsea, and she's like, Lindsay, oh my god, you look so cute.

And I'm like, no, I literally am barefaced, my hair is on top of my head, like I've been soaking wet at a soccer game, I've been on the airplane, I'm disgusting. And Chelsea's like in full face makeup, like looking cute and I'm like, what is going on? Like what is going on? She's like, I don't know, I just heard like just a brief overview of kind of like what happened, where's Kale? And I'm like, I don't even know if she's still at this hotel, like I have no idea what's going on.

So I'm like, I'm trying to decide if I'm getting out of the car, if I'm going back to the hotel or going back to the airport. And she's like, should we go up to her room? But I'm kind of scared of Kale and I'm like, why are you scared of Kale? And she's like, she might yell at us or something. And I'm like, I don't care if Kale fucking yells at me, like I'm busting in. First of all, I have never yelled at Chelsea. Okay.

I've never yelled at her. So we go up to your floor and see your producer standing out in the hallway. And I'm like, I'm going in and Chelsea's like, wait, you are. And I'm like, yes, I'm going in. And she's like, are you, are you scared of Kale? And I was like, no, Kale scared of me like, no, like, what? So I just went in and then like shortly after Chelsea followed and then it was like fine. We just like talked about everything that we talked about just here on the podcast.

And then I think it was like fine, but I think it was good that you were like strong in your conviction. You actually left. You proved a point that you don't have to tolerate that kind of stuff, that you want a more professional environment. And I feel like the only way to encourage better behavior and to have higher expectation is to follow through with what you say you're going to do. Well, and it just, it did feel good to have Chelsea on my side.

I felt like everyone understood where I was coming from. Like I, it wasn't just about me. It wasn't just about Kale is entitled Kale feels this, Kale feels that it was more like I'm speaking up for the cast. I'm speaking up for Jade. I'm speaking up for Ashley. I'm speaking up for myself. I'm speaking up for, I almost feel like I was speaking up for 11th street because I

feel like the network, I don't know. And that's the thing. It's like, when you're in this industry, you learn who to trust and who not to trust. And at this point I trusted my gut when I said to the producers on set, this is not a good idea, despite how much fucking security you have, this is not good. And I was really just speaking up for everybody. I had been through this and I just, it felt good to have Chelsea see that and not like, oh, this is Kale's drama.

Do you know what I'm saying? Like, right. It felt good to feel like people understood this time where I was coming from and not making it about myself. And then it felt good to hear a producer hear, like hear me out and understand where I was coming from. And then I got a text from another producer saying that I was right and she understands why, how I, you know, exactly why I feel this way.

So that felt good. And then Nessa explaining where she was coming from, but I still think that there's a lot to be said about how we handle this. Like, we're already like, it takes a special type of person to be on reality TV as it is and it takes a special type of person to produce it because, you know, you can't intervene in a lot of fucked up situations and we're already, we are already recovering from a lot of fucked up shit. And it's like, we want to use this opportunity to do better and to reflect and to, you know,

let others know what we're doing and what we're going through to help other people. But like, it really just completely contradicts that when we're promoting stuff like this. And I have been through it, I've done it, I've done things I'm not proud of and I don't want to do it anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't want to. I just feel like you've moved past the BS and I think that you're just like in a new season of life and I think that you've been there, you've done it and you're kind of moving

on from that and you just want to be able to educate people on the situations that you've been in and like how to avoid those situations and not condoning those situations and being a participant in those situations. And I think that that is such a healthy foot forward and I think that you're going in the right direction and I think that people will see that over time. Like as you get better and as you try to better yourself and you're moving in positive directions and not backwards, those things are important and there's a place for that story. You know, like there's, you've been there, you've done it, like you can educate now and

I think that is the benefit of having the platform is to be able to educate others on how to avoid those situations or if they're in those situations, how to prevent themselves from getting deeper in those situations or for reoccurring patterns. Well, and that's the thing. It's like I want to show the evolution. I don't want to quit the show. I don't, I want to show my growth and my progression, especially in this new phase of my life because I do feel like things are truly just moving up for me and like just like getting better

and I want to continue to show that I want a Chelsea and Cole story. Like I want to show the good stuff, but it's like when I can't and I'm trying to use my mistakes to help other girls on the show and the production and all of that stuff, but they're like condoning it and instigating it and setting it up and it's like really going against what we're supposed to be doing. And so it's just like a huge, it's like a catch 22 and I'm tired. Like I'm actually, it was infuriating to see the comments back was like, oh, then quit the show, then quit the show, then quit the show, oh, act accordingly.

Well, it's like reality TV is a job. The production side of it is a job, but it's not the type of job. Like I said in the beginning when it went in my preface of all of this, it's not what you think. So it's, I don't know, I shouldn't listen to them, but and I think to know that when you're in this type of job that involves it being a job for you, but also real life for you, there's no separation there. So then the lines get blurred.

And so, you know, that's, that's a sticky place to be and you've got to find a healthy balance with that. And I'm not sure what the healthy balance is, although I will tell you really funny out of all of this, I received like 99 plus messages of people being like, hey, I mean, it was like variations of this, but this was like the general concept. Hey, I think what would be a really good idea would be if you and Kale and Leah and Chelsea did a show. And I'm like, oh wow, what a novel idea as if nobody thought about it before.

That's amazing. That would be perfect. So what a novel concept idea, like thanks for coming up with it. We also came up with it. We've also pitched that like, yeah, definitely into it. Yeah, I mean, I just thought it was funny. I was like, oh wow, like thanks for stating the obvious. All right, Lindsay.

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at different life phases. That's just life, but there's a graceful way to tell it. And there's a graceful way to help. And there's a graceful way of doing everything. And I think that you just go into situations handling yourself with grace, being graceful to yourself, being graceful to others. And it doesn't have to be Jerry Springer. And I think that's the whole, well, just to your point too, it's like, if they really

wanted to do a teen mom to young and pregnant crossover and they really wanted to be educational and they really wanted to do that in a way that would work. I think that putting Jade and Ashley in a room, just the two of them, maybe with Dr. Drew, truly being, there's no audience. There's no other cast members. There's no anything. There's a way to do it without making the girls feel like they're being pinned against each other.

And in a way that is truly helpful, not hurtful. Like, okay, these are the things that you said that bothered me. I'm not a liar. Or these are the things that you did that bothered me. I didn't mean it towards you. It was just a moment of acting out or whatever the case may be. There's a way to do it. And like, maybe they didn't want to do it.

Like, you know, they've been, they've asked me to put Brianna on the podcast. Like, for me, I just don't want to do it, but there is a way to make it, to ask for it to happen instead of literally just pinning them against each other, making them feel like they have to prove themselves. And also like, I've played all of this in my head too, and I'm like, okay, there's a way to do this without it having to be so dramatic. And you guys are vets, you know, like you've been doing this for so long. You guys are teen mom, like that's, that's a thing.

So why, if they wanted the young and pregnant girls to have this exposure and to, you know, like have some advice from you guys, why wouldn't they do it like sorority style where you guys go and have like a little sister and each of you take one of them under your wing and then like y'all do a segment together instead of having everybody together and it being like this volatile thing, like it's just not healthy. I agree. I 100% agree. You know, so I should have known though that with all of this being said, this is a very

heavy teen mom episode, but with all of this being said, I should have known when I boarded my flight and I sat next to a lady who was wearing Lululemon leggings that I have that had the little side pocket to where like you can put your cell phone in. I should have known that I was going into a shit storm when this lady pulls out her cell phone. I noticed immediately that it's just her phone case. She didn't notice this immediately. So when we go to get in the air and we reach 10,000 feet and she goes to connect her Wi-Fi,

she realizes the only thing that's in her pocket is her cell phone case and her phone is not there. Oh no. And I'm thinking to myself, did she lose it like in security, like has this bitch gone from home all the way here and hasn't looked at her phone one time? Is she a psychopath? Is she a sociopath? What's going on?

Who just has their phone case in their Lululemon legging pocket? How did that happen? So did she just leave without her phone? Kale, we were 10,000 feet in the air. Like what was she going to do? She could out at that point, like this isn't a major emergency. I don't have my cell phone open the exit door. She couldn't even get an Uber when she landed at the airport.

She would have to go get a taxi. I was thinking of all of the things of like how she was screwed playing in my mind. And I was like, oh man, like that really blows. Like she can't get Uber. She can't like call somebody. She's got like, what if she doesn't know the address to her hotel? She can't even Google it. She can't check like what carousel her bag's going to be at if she checked a bag on her

phone. Like she can't, there's so many things that she couldn't check. Well, hopefully she had her actual wallet and didn't use Apple wallet. Girl, I'm praying for you. Like, you probably will never hear this, but I sent a prayer to the big man and I was like, Lord, please help this lady because she has done lost her iPhone. Like I feel so bad. And then at the beginning of this episode, you had talked about how you were like in

an on and off again relationship with Starbucks. And yeah, I wanted to talk about this because yeah, I, everybody knows that I'm a huge Dunkin Donuts fan and the past couple of times I've gone to Dunkin Donuts like I'm turned off. I just haven't been impressed and it's because they're getting my order wrong and it's so devastating. Honestly. I, that happened to me with Dunkin too. Not that I wasn't a huge fan.

I just, their, their coffee was always not strong enough for me and a couple times in a row they got it like perfect. So I was like, okay, now I could get behind this and then they fucked up my order too. So I was like, I'm not going to do this anymore and then went to Starbucks and the same thing happened. And I'm just kind of like, I mean, if I'm paying almost $5 for a coffee, then I expect that my order to be consistent like every time that I pay for it, you know, so I don't know.

I feel like that is a lot of money to just pay for a drink, you know, so I don't know. It's yeah. And I'm not the type of person that's going to send it back and ask her for it to be remade. I don't want to be that person, so, and I'll just end up like either drinking it and whatever or I'll throw it out. And it's like, that was a waste of money. Right.

So I feel so wasteful. Um, yeah, I wanted to do a couple of follow ups though before we got off for everybody who has sent pictures of their kids, school pictures. I so bad want to repost them on our Instagram story, but I wait, you have to send them to me. I wouldn't. I'm not on social media. Uh, well, I will send some to you, but I will not post them on our Instagram story because

I don't want to like expose like people's kids or whatever or somebody to like recognize their kids or whatever. Um, but some of them have been so funny and I'm just like, wow, like it makes me feel normal. Honestly, I'm going to post Lux's though. Like I'm once I get it, I'm going to post it like it's going to be great. Oh, the one that you sent me is so funny and so true to his personality. I feel like that's why it's funny, you know, like he's, he is just an angry man.

Um, he, well, he's not always mad. He was mad after the reunion cause I think it was so late and then it was like, I did let him watch the iPhone, which I don't typically do because he's, he'll then like he loves it. But he was so pissed off and tired and we had to film and we had to get so much done that I was like, okay, here's the iPhone. And then he was like not wanting to mess with people because he was watching like colored trucks or whatever.

Um, but yeah, he was, he was pissed. So cute. Um, and then for everybody who sent in suggestions for charity, um, I love how invested everybody is and like wanting to help and just like the different ideas, but I think that we have found one. Um, what's the name of the company kill? It's called blessings in a backpack. So I think that that's the charity that we've decided to go with for this holiday season.

And right now we are currently in the process. Well the assistant is currently in the process of figuring out how we can partner with other people who have also sent us messages about wanting, you know, to, to help. I know that they said that we would have an option to be able to put it on our website so that people can just go online and just, um, electronically give. So I think that's amazing, but we want to have a hands on experience. And so I don't know if that means that, um, we would be able to do that in our local city that, you know, we are like Atlanta and then Delaware or Philly, or if it would mean that

we would have to go to like their headquarters or what it would mean, but we'll keep everybody updated on that. Yeah. Definitely want to give back in some way. And I would love for, I would love for our kids to get involved too, just because I don't know if you've had this struggle, but I have had this struggle with my kids, you know, they don't know any different. They don't realize that other kids have so much less than they do.

Um, so I want, I really want my kids to be able to understand what we're doing, why we're doing it and how they can help. So I would do, I would really love to just, yes, do something electronically for those that can't attend, but also have something where we can physically go raise awareness, help kids and other people get, you know, goods or I mean, if it doesn't have to be just food, I'm sure that I'm sure they take other things. Right. I'm not sure what, but we can find out.

Right. And for anybody who just like wants to participate, we will be posting, like when we get more information, we'll be posting like where you can go online and find the fundraiser, um, to give to it. And hopefully we're going to be able to have a hands on experience because I also, um, want Jackson to know that there are children out there that are going without meals. And it's so sad because I feel like there, there should not be a reason that kids are going hungry.

Like I feel like that in itself is terrible. Guys, I'm so sorry that my dog has been reckless in the background again, um, but this is what happens when we're not home for a long period of time and then I come home and podcast and she lets all of her energy out while I'm podcasting. Um, I was going to say something else and I don't remember what it was. So I guess I'll ignore that thought. If it, if it went away that quickly, the thought went away that quick, then it probably wasn't even a good thought.

You know what I mean? I hope not. I hope it wasn't important. Like my grandmother used to tell me if you thought of it and then you can't remember to tell me that it wasn't important or it wasn't a good thought. So I've always just kind of been like, Oh wow, maybe that's why, um, I write off my forgetfulness that it's like, okay, but it's really like not okay. Do you feel like, I mean, as you get older, you're more forgetful.

Well, I think like truly, and I know that this is not dramatic. Like I truly believe there's something wrong with my memory, like a hundred percent. I, someone I'm friends with moved away, like him, me and bone, my friend bone used to do jiu-jitsu together and, um, his name was Jason and he moved to Washington. But apparently bone and I had got him a cake that said like, we wish you luck, like goodbye, whatever. And his nickname was cargo. And it was like good luck cargo or whatever.

And I was like, um, on Facebook or whatever, and he sent me the picture of the three of us with the cake and I sent it to bone and I was like, I don't remember doing this. Like had bone come to me and that picture didn't exist and said, Hey, remember when we got that cake for cargo, I would have been like, no, you're a liar. I don't even, I swear. Yeah. Like I would have called her a liar. There's truly something like it's so weird because I remember certain things, but they're

horrible. Like all my memories that a lot of my memories that I have, they're all the bad ones and I remember nothing good. I'm hoping that was like, I think that you need to talk to your therapist about this this week and then report back to us next week on what your therapist says about that. Okay. Have an appointment tomorrow. Maybe it's like something with trauma that's like, that's causing like your brain to like

not remember things. I'm going to write this down. Let me write it down. Cause okay. So like repressed memory, maybe. Yeah. Like maybe it's something like that. I mean, I'm not going to diagnose you because I am just dumb, but it's something and I think

that you need to talk to your therapist and then report back to us next week and let us know what she says about it. I just wrote it down so that I won't forget because like I said, my memory is fucked up. And on that note, it's been over an hour. I remember what I was, wait, I remember what I was going to say now. What? What is it? I just wanted to remind people that we have a website, coffeecabospodcast.com Oh, on coffeecabospodcast.com,

you can find all of the codes for all of the ads. You can find all of that on there. Probably some old pictures that we haven't updated lately. Hopefully in the coming year, we're going to get our crap together and be able to have merch throughout the year. Not making any promises though. We're in the process of figuring out how we're going to get on tour and what cities we would be going to because that's definitely something that we want to do in 2020.

And we'll keep you guys all updated, but basically just go to coffeecabospodcast.com and look and see what's on there. I don't even know what's on there. But yeah, it's been an hour and my mattress pad is in the washing machine and I'm going to move it over so that I can wash my sheets. And I hope that you guys have a productive week or have had a productive week and we love you. We appreciate you and I don't know what else I was going to say.

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