Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 107: Type Casting, Jenelle’s Return & Teen Mom 2 Secrets

Episode Date: November 28, 2019

This week, Kail & Lindsie welcome Teen Mom Executive Producer Larry Musnik to the podcast. They talk about their favorite cast members on the show, and why Larry views them all as his children. Larry's also shares thoughts on his unique role, working on the show as a "therapist", dad, and producer. You'll hear behind the scenes stories about how Teen Mom was developed, and why it's still called "Teen Mom,". Kail recalls her the first email she sent to the creators of 16 & pregnant. They also touch on domestic violence, negotiating with producers, and future Teen Mom reunions. 

Hey guys welcome to Coffee Combos. Hey Kale. Hey. Here we are again. That was like the peppiest hey Kale that I've ever done. That you've ever done. Yeah. And the history of Coffee Combos. But why are you so excited? I'm so excited because I feel like we have been waiting on this episode for 105 episodes. Correct. What are we doing? We're interviewing Larry, the executive producer of Teen Mom 2. Welcome Larry. That was so like in units. That was. That was a really good yeah. Hi Larry. That was a really really nice introduction. I didn't, I didn't expect, I expect that. I don't think you ever expected to really be on Coffee Combos podcast. Never. Never. Never. Never. Never while I was growing

up. Did you go up in the last two years? When I went to school or even in the last two years. Never. Never. Thanks for inviting me. So what does it feel like? To not have a call time? To do any of that? I wish that my deodorant was antiperspirant. You know. Because right now. Are you sweating? Are you sweating because of your nervous? I'm sweating but it doesn't smell. Yeah. Like I have that nervous sweat but the deodorant part is covering it but it's not the antiperspirant part so it's the beads are dripping down. The sides and going down to my like these. Love handles. Love handles. Right. Dr. We just did an interview with Dr. Miami and he would, I'm sure he would take care of you. I would love to go and spend

a week down there and get myself home. Do you think your wife will listen to this episode? I hope she does. Yes. I absolutely think so. No, no, no. I do. That's a no. No, no, no. She will but no. The problem is she, she, she texted me that I better not talk about her on Coffee Combos. Oh. Oh. Okay. Okay. Okay. We won't talk about her. So we have a nice lady though. Okay. So we do things a little differently than Teen Mom 2 here. Right. Like typically we have a schedule and I don't know, we promote good relationships and we do weird stuff on here. Good conversation. Right. So we want to talk to you about how I am your favorite cast member of Teen Mom 2. No, I, you can admit it. You are all

my children. Yeah, but there really is a thing of people that have favorite kids. I'm the favorite kid. I have to be. We have a great, no, I think we have a great relationship and there is actually, I know there's some things in the past that have tested trust, but I think that we have had, we've maintained a good trusting relationship. So when I call you about, no, you've got to take it back from how this started. Okay. How did I get picked for Teen Mom? How, first of all, so I apply for, did you work on 16 and Pregnant? Since the pilot. Okay. Why did I get picked for 16 and Pregnant? Like how did I get picked, you know, or is that not, do you handle it after the casting is done? Exactly. So the

casting gets done and then it is handed over to the producers. Okay. So then are you, did you guys pick what was going on from the 16 and Pregnant cast to Teen Mom 2? Like, did you guys have any type of say, I guess, in what girls got picked to Teen Mom 2 or how did that work? I don't get that kind of say. I want, because I just want to know how I got picked. She's always wondered that question. I actually had talked about it before. I could connect with all the people that might know that answer. Well, I can't interview them on the podcast. If I did, I don't think it would be. So what we came up with was that Kale got picked because she was the season finale. Yeah, that's what I think. So if I

had to guess. Right. So my ratings were probably good if I had to guess. I would like to think that it was more, more, more than that. Okay. You know, I'll take it. That's fine. Yeah. So for people who don't know the listeners who don't know who you are, you're the executive, one of the executive producers for Teen Mom 2. One of, yes. So with that title, you get to be a therapist and a dad and a boss all in one. It's, yeah, it's a very unique job in television. So how do you balance your home life with work? Um, because our lives never stopped going. So therefore you guys can't stop producing TV. So how do you put a, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, balance the time. I think I've figured it out kind

of well. I mean, I go home at the end of the day, like anybody else. And when I'm not traveling and on the road and go see my family. Yeah, but I call you and you're like, Hey, I'm at a hockey game with the kids. Hey, I'm not taking her with my wife. What do you need? Hey, and if I'm calling you at random times, surely everyone else is. It's true. I get, I get a lot of phone calls. Who calls you the most? Is it? He looks right at me. Cale, Cale's, you know, right up there. That's the truth. She has you on speed dial and favorites. Yeah. And I, and I don't think there's that many, many of you that call me kind of as much as you do, which is, so my, and I don't mind it. It's just, um, but it's manageable.

You know, it's not, I don't. So not everyone calls you like I do. Who do they call? I don't know. I don't think everybody does that. I'm so sorry. I always make a joke out of it. But like, if I'm really the only one doing it, then I feel bad. No, Cale always says she's calling Larry. Well, and no, you're not the only one, but I call you the most. You call me, you're right up there in the highest percentage of phone calls. Um, when we went to this past reunion, you didn't get to see it, but one of the like stage managers or whatever production managers had a shirt on it, had a shirt and on it, it said, that's a Larry question. And it's like, everyone knows that Larry has all the

answers. And if he doesn't have an answer, he's going to go find it immediately. So that's why Cale calls you, I think, because she likes to get a direct answer immediately. And she doesn't like to go through like 12 people to get the answer. And I like to give a direct answer immediately. So she goes to the source, but then also, I think that people love Larry for whatever reason, like even when he's just standing there with Morgan on the show, I've seen you on OG and everyone's just like, who's this guy? And they just end up loving you and they don't even know anything about you. It's, it's, it's sweet. I'm flattered. I don't know what to say. So wait, how did team mom even come about?

Cause I don't think I even know the story. I don't know the story. My understanding is that it kind of, well, it grew out of that 16 and pregnant series, which is where you all started. Um, I think, I mean, just generally speaking, the audience really, you know, 16 and pregnant can only cover so much time. It covered the time from when you were pregnant till right after you had the baby in a few months thereafter. And so, um, I think the whole audience wanted to, it was like, wait, wait, it's like you get invested and then yeah, but it's like, what happens after? What, what, we want to know more? What happens? What happens next year? What happened? And so that want

was just, it was overpowering. And so I think that that's where teen mom was born. Yeah, but I don't think anyone anticipated teen mom or teen mom too to be in 10 years later on team, on TV. No, no, I didn't know. And you know what people message me all the time saying, why is it still called teen mom because they're not teens anymore? And it's like weird because I think it's like a branding thing, right? No, I think it's deeper. I think it's because you, you kind of were, you started this track at a, as teenagers. And so from that starting out of the gate, you started at a point where your lives were different than others that started their lives in a, in a different way.

And that kind of continues forever really. So it's not, it's not that you started as teen moms and this is what has, where we've landed right, right? These are the results of from being a teen mom and everyone has handled their kind of their, and that's what I think has made the show so great over all these years is that every one of you, even though you all had the same basic situation, I mean, you were all pregnant at a young age, she was unplanned, the ways you've all dealt with it from the people in your lives to support systems and everything have all made your stories unique. And so that's what continues. And that's why the show is still called teen mom. I don't think it's really just a, like

a branding thing. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah. Because people ask that all the time, you know, like, why do they still call it teen mom? And it's hard though with the branding being teen mom, like now that you've explained it, I understand that. But at the same time, I do feel like some of us are very like typecasted, right? Like, it's always, are you teen mom? Not like, are you kale? And like, if we try to branch out, it's like some brands and some networks don't want to work with us because

we were a teen mom and we're still on teen mom. And if it was called something else, I feel like people would give us a chance. Like you feel like you're trapped in your past, like I'm trapped at 16 and pregnant to some degree. Like, yes, we have been able to branch off and other avenues to some, to some extent, but a lot of, a lot of times they're like, Oh, that's teen mom. But those places that actually will look a little bit deeper and consider you and consider kind of how much you've grown and where you've come from and maybe look at it that way. Yeah,

Exactly. No, I know. I'm just saying in our experience, like I feel like I've experienced that. Yeah. Alright, so as you all know, I've been so busy and even though Jackson is in school, I don't even know where the time goes. Luckily, I have found open fit, which brings incredible workouts to your living room and makes it easy to invest in those busy days. Open fit takes all the complexity out of losing weight and getting fit. It's a brand new super simple streaming service that allows you to work out from home from the comfort of your living room in as little as 10 minutes a day.

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30, 30, 30 disclaimer, standard message and data rates may apply. Um, wait, so when did you guys decide to break the fourth wall? That was a couple years ago, I think a few years ago already. I don't know. Um, I think it was a network or no, I think it was a group decision on how to the shows been on for a long time. And so, and what's so awesome about this show and unique, I think about this show is that it has spanned almost a decade, um, no, definitely January's Isaac will be 10. Yeah, so birth watch me birth him. Correct. So which is unbelievable to see. Um, and so to see that with the same cast pretty much for the most part, um, on

one show is pretty incredible and rare. Yeah. Um, and so I think that, uh, that I mean, I just, I forgot where I was going with that for the wall. Oh yeah, so that's it. So I think that I think you're right. I think that that's kind of what it was is to kind of come up with, you know, I think at some point we also changed the cameras, um, because technology changes obviously like over 10 years. Think about how much stuff changes. Well, I mean, not for nothing though. We become so close with our producers that we're actually telling them things in real life. So when you're producing a show like this and something is happening in real time, the first person you're going to tell is your producer. It's kind of awkward.

If you have to ignore them, right? It's like, yeah, what are you saying? Cause that would be kind of fake if like you just could not even kind of contemplate that you were actually on a TV show. I mean, and your lives are so much about all of the things and opportunities that have become available to you because you've been so brave all these years and telling your story. I mean, books, podcasts, like you've, you've really, you know, Oh, I've credit the show. I've credit the show for those opportunities. Like if it wasn't for the show, I wouldn't be able to do all that stuff. Right. So I mean, so if you in a perfect world, where would you see teen mom going? Would you see it continuing or changing?

Or would you start, do you think that any of the girls will get spinoffs or, or because people are not paying for cable, like they used to how, what does that look like in terms of not just teen mom, but like all reality TV? That's a good question. No, it's a great question. I just don't feel like I'm, I'm the, um, the expert in these areas to be able to, but if I could have, yeah, but I'm not the president of the network. Um, but you know is what I'm saying. Like you have knowledge. Right. Right. Right. Right. Um, I think that the show as people, as long as there continues to be an audience for the show and there continues to be a strong audience and a strong following, um, that I think the show continues to evolve.

I mean, as all of our lives continue to evolve, we'll keep mimicking that, you know, what would you think there would be a point where we would just be online? I don't know where I would never have thought years ago that this is, that we would be, that there would be this many platforms to, to be able to catch the show. Um, so I think it's better now than ever before. And just that there are so many different, you can enjoy the show whenever on your schedule. Right. I mean, that's what's amazing. I mean, you enjoy this podcast on your schedule. Like that's it. So everybody can go about their lives and still enjoy the show. And it's okay if you have a plan on Tuesday night. You know

what I mean? It's like, you can still, you're not going to miss out. Like you would have 10 years ago. Our society has evolved in such a, like people don't do things on schedules. I feel like as much as people like there's more flexibility with everything. So I think it's nice to be able to have like the DVR and online, to be able to tune into a podcast, like whenever you want to listen and you can start from the first episode all the way until like whenever I think that's so cool. And I think so many of the fans of, of the show and your audience, your fans then get

to tune into this podcast. It's like a natural extension almost in that they get to hear, you know, you get to see just a few minutes of you on the show each week. If you think about it, Yeah, I think it's like four minutes or something. Right. Well, whatever it is, it's a small amount. So then you get, your fans get to come over here and listen to, you know, both of you kind of talk about your point of view and expand in ways that the show could never cover on its own. And I think too, with Teen Mom, a lot of things that we hear, that we get a direct message

when we get to read them, people say that they feel like Kale's different on the podcast than she is on the show, but people also have to remember that you're only given what, like two and a half minutes or something. Like three to four minutes per week. But also how much can you really, When I have to talk about certain things, I'm instantly like giving pushback, right? Like I don't want to talk about it because I have to talk about it when I want to talk about it and it's easier, right? Like on the podcast, I could say anything I fucking want

and I don't have to worry about Just like that. And it gets aired. So in a perfect world, what changes or like improvements do you think that we would make to Teen Mom 2 to make it better? Like what could you see us doing to improve? I think we should go on like a vacation with the kids and get all the kids together for I think everybody there is no one that does not love all the times when the children are on like whether it be reunions or in my favorite was the Mother's Day special like four years ago.

That was my favorite. It was so fucking cute and funny. All the kids were so funny and I was like, I love it. So cute and I feel like they can relate to each other on different levels than they can relate with other kids because they've all grown up on TV just like y'all have. But I also think that the few minutes of where the kids are put in, it gives everybody that few minutes of comedy relief, but what they are also tuning in for in this show is the fact and since 16 and pregnant the day one is this sense of bravery, the sense that they

know that they're going to watch the women on this show speak out and talk about certain things that they themselves are uncomfortable to talk about in their real lives. And through this show, I think that you've empowered women and families to have conversations because sometimes it's easier when they sit down to watch people and talk about their situation and then it naturally becomes something where they can like lead into and it's about themselves an uncomfortable topic, you know, telling a family member that you're pregnant. I just watched Kayla tell her mom that she was pregnant on Young and Pregnant. I watched it because it came on after Teen Mom 2 and I always watch the live like eight

o'clock airing of Teen Mom 2 instead of the link that I get that day because I like to live tweet with it and I watched it and I was like, oh my God, I'm so uncomfortable. Like this is so uncomfortable. But then I was also like, she's probably actually helping a lot of people. Right. Yeah. Like telling your mom you're pregnant again after. I think that's what you struggle with a lot with everything because you feel like

your guard's up whenever you do it. But then you've said in hindsight, whenever you see some of the stuff, it was hard to like watch back or like opens wounds that were never. Yeah. But then you feel like you helped somebody. So if you helped one person, then I did my job. Yeah. Kale, I can't even believe how obsessed I am with my new Brooklyn embedding.

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I don't know how to answer that question right now. Politically correct. Yeah. It's not something that's on my plate to be able to make a decision of, and I don't want to comment on something that I have absolutely no control over. Yeah. I have zero. It has nothing to do with me at all, so I can't comment on that.

Wait. I do have a question. When a few girls have gone off of Teen Mom and OG, how did the picking for the new girls come? Yeah. I guess that's a good question. How was Cheyenne picked versus Mackenzie? Because Mackenzie, she already was part of the Teen Mom franchise before, but Cheyenne

wasn't. So how does that work? I don't know in each specific case how final decisions of who's cast on a show, it's not made, but I can say that in each particular case, there is a story that is different, that is real, that is timely, that also is asking kind of the woman whose story that that is to take kind of this leap and share that in a very unfiltered way. The good, the bad, the ugly. In every part of that, and I think that that's one thing that connects all the women on this

show is that they've all been willing to do that in their own separate ways, and that's what's connected. So I don't think it's so much looking at the backstory or who is exactly how old they were when they got part, you know, all that kind of stuff. Oh no, we weren't talking about details like that. I just think it's like- I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. No, yeah.

It's just, I think a lot of people want to know like how did that person get picked, you know, like there was X amount of girls on 16 and pregnant, and these five got picked, and then some girls- I just want to know why I got picked, because I don't think that my everyday life is that interesting. But nobody that's on TV thinks that they're every new person. You know what, but you have, here, I don't know why specifically, and why specifically ten years ago is not specifically right now.

Maybe I wouldn't have been picked if it was casted today. You know what I mean? I don't know about that. Here, you've got three children. By three fathers. With three fathers, with three separate schedules of, you know, having to work with each father in some sort of manner, and the relationship with each one of them is completely different. And that appeals, I shouldn't say appeals is the wrong word, that connects with a lot

of different people out there that understand it. Can I just say that I have met more people with three baby daddies than I could have ever imagined in the last, like, one to two years, yes. They message you? No, like, I've physically met them in person. Oh, wow. And do they just come up and say, I have three baby daddies? No, like, they show up in my life.

Oh. Maybe I'm like, this is way more common, and it shouldn't be, but also, like, okay, wow, I'm not the only one, but I'm the one that's getting crucified for it. Do you feel like you judge yourself harder because you're on TV and because people see it than you would in your life if you hadn't ever been on TV? Yes. You feel like you would just, like, live and not really? Well, I also am really super critical of myself because I already know what people are going

to say. Like, I don't want to film certain things or say certain things or do certain things because I know what the viewers will say. Have you gone down any rabbit holes about what people say about you online? No, because I never look. That's so good. I need to have that energy all the time. That's some strong will.

Right. I never look, but I think, but for you, I think it's got to be a little bit more stressful in that there's got to be, like, I don't, I produce the show, so I don't necessarily have to be in a sense of, I have different responsibilities. I feel like you sometimes are confronted with the responsibility of, I know I have hundreds of thousands, if not more, young women listening to me every week and on my podcast. And there are certain issues that I have to, I have to, as uncomfortable as they are, I need to, no, no, no, I'm just saying as comfortable as they are, there's a time and a place where

I need them to, I need them to know what I went through for the purposes of, because they're listening to me and I have that responsibility. Right. And I know that you feel that. Right. And how do you, like, that's hard to wrestle with. No, you feel a different sense of accountability whenever people are watching you and you're putting yourself out there for people to watch, you know, I think that's a different type

of accountability. That's fair. I know that I've experienced that, that I feel like sometimes I need to, like, overshare something, because I know that it might help one person. Right. Like marriage struggles or, like, whatever, you know, whatever it is. So on a different note, Larry, do people, when you first started this job, had you already produced other TV?

I did. I worked on, like, I did some sport stuff and I... So do people think it was so cool when you worked on T-MOM? Or do they were like, what the fuck are you doing? What was your life like when you became a famous producer? Really, though, did people text you and they're like, wow, we just saw you on TV? Yeah. Now they do a little bit.

They do. Like people you know. Occasionally, sure. That you don't really want to talk to, but they text you anyway? Sometimes. Yeah. That's happened to us. That's happened to both of us.

Not to your extent, but... Did your wife see you on TV? Did your wife see you on TV? Sure. What did she think? What would that like in your house to change? Yeah. Because you went from, like, behind the scenes to in a spotlight.

I think it's, wow, we're sharing Larry, and now it's... Sharing Larry? We're sharing Larry, and now it's, you know, we knew that he goes to work every day, but now we're, wow, it's really out there. We are really... Do your kids think it's weird? Yeah. Larry.

No, I think they think it's funny, because I let them talk to me and see it, and let them talk to me about it and ask me questions. I don't want to hide anything from them. Right. So... Do they think that we're all weird? Of course they do. Right.

Because they're like... We're all adults. They're young boys. I know. Actually, I think I was pregnant with Isaac when you were having your first son. Second son, my younger one. Are you sure? Yeah.

Well, yes, I am sure. I'm positive. I'm positive. Do you know how old they are? Because you were... I was passing you in the building to do voiceovers, and I think I was... Did I just have Isaac, or I was pregnant, and then you were literally running out, and you're like, I got to go and my wife's having a baby.

Yeah, it was probably my... Yeah, it was my second. Oh, wow. Yeah. Maybe me too. I was like, I'm probably... I don't know if I had him already. Okay.

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But I literally wrote a two-line email. I watched 16 and Pregnant first season, Amber, Caitlin, Macy, all of them, and I was like, I'm pregnant. I don't know what the fuck to do. I have no idea. My mom's on all kinds of drugs. We don't know what to do here. So I wrote into two sentences on the casting call on MTV.com.

And what would it have probably said in your mind? I think it literally said, I'm pregnant and my mom's on drugs. That's definitely why it happened. I live in a two bedroom apartment with my mom who's on drugs and I don't know what's about to happen. I literally think it said something along those lines. They were probably trying to save you. And then we had to go through all this crap, and Joden believed me.

I didn't believe him. I didn't think when they called me that it was real. I was like, there's no way. And then I had to submit interviews, and I don't even know where I got the digital camera because I couldn't afford one. So I had to get a digital camera in order to take the video to submit it because there was no Instagram or phone feature to record something. And Joe was like, I smoke to handle my headaches from Kale or some weird shit like that.

Oh, dear God. I handle my headaches from Kale. Yeah. So I was like, and then I remember when I got the call for Teen Mom 2, I was in Victoria Secret in the Lehigh Valley Mall in Pennsylvania, and I was like with my friends, and I got the call, and I was like sweating, immediately start sweating, and my friends are like, what's going on? I was like, I don't know.

So you had no idea what it was going to be? No, I didn't even know they were doing Teen Mom 2. So you were buying underwear when you got the call? Yes. Wow. Trying to look sexy. Pushing Isaac. Right.

Like, I was like, where am I going with this? Yeah. So, and then we started filming probably shortly thereafter. That's nuts. I think I've gone through several producers, like several, like five over the course of ten years. Are you the person that's gone through the most producers? No.

Larry's like, oh, yes. I would have to sit and do the math. I've had four producers. Yep, four. I'm on my fourth. Yeah, I don't think that's a lot. So I don't think that's a lot. Outside of the average.

That's not a lot. And like one, my very first one that I really, really, really, really got along with, he actually went, he left the show to go do a documentary in my hometown. Oh, wow. Yeah. I actually just saw him at the reunion and then I introduced my producer now to him. Wait, what was it like filming meeting your dad for the first time? It was terrible.

I'm so embarrassed. I'm so embarrassed. Like, I never want to see that footage again. I wish they would get rid of it. That's never going to happen. I know. There's some footage that I'm like, what would I have to do to get rid of that footage? Like specific episode scenes, like two, one meeting my dad and one wishing hobby.

Those two things I wish I could eliminate. Does that ever happen? Do people ever like later go back and like buy the rights to get rid of those things or how does that work? No, I don't think that's an option. Great. Larry's like, no. In fact, I've never heard of that.

If it were, I probably would be very trying to find it. No, no, no. I'd be trying to find out what I could buy back. Do you not like being on, even if you don't say anything? And also, do you get paid to be on TV, like on screen? I can't. You know what? There are certain things that I can't talk about.

You can't talk about. Okay, fine. But as far as liking, no, I never thought, like it's fine. I'm just trying to like be a team player, do my job. Wait, do you have Instagram? I mean, I know you probably have a, like, Finsta. We should make one. I name it Hilarious.

Hilarious. Hilarious. Do you have a Finsta that's not really your name? Finsta. Finsta. Where you stalk Team Mom. I don't even know what a Finsta is. A fake Instagram.

A fake Instagram. Finsta. Finsta. I know you have one. I don't. What's its name? He's not going to tell us the Finsta. Honestly, I don't even know what a Finsta was.

Do you have a real one? No, I think I have, I think I once signed up, because you could probably, for Twitter. I think I signed up for Twitter. And I think I made one, like, negative comment at like a Mets baseball game, and then that was it. I never went back on it. I was like, oh shit, everybody can see this. But it was about baseball.

It happens to Morgan all the time. What? Morgan gets his ass chewed out for his tweets. Yeah. Well, I don't. I don't judge. I don't care. I sometimes like Morgan's tweets.

Well, see, I guess that's why everyone does this, all this tweeting, it entertains the world. To me, I just, see, all of that's the time. I come to work, and then I go home, so I don't have time to then, that's where the difference is. Engage. I don't engage with. Because you don't have time.

But you do have two phones. Yes. So that, because most of my life, I'm traveling in a car, or I'm someplace else, or on the airplane, and so I can actually take a call, read email, or if one phone dies, I got the other one. It's just, it's always. So you have two phones? One, two.

Yes. Personal, and then. I only have one number, just to clarify. I try, that was the intent to have one for personal, one for business, but it just never worked out. Because, like, I acquired the business one after the fact, and no one's going to keep that phone number. It's too big of a deal.

Kale tried to do that, too. It didn't work out. I have two phones, but I don't use. Your assistant carries one. No, she has her own phone. So wait, now that the girls are, like, all grown up, and I'm the favorite, they're like, they're like doing their own things, and they're like growing. First of all, I have an assistant because she holds my life together and she helps me manage

my other businesses, not because of Teen Mom. Got it. Like, she doesn't handle anything Teen Mom related. That's where I was going with it. Okay, okay, okay. Because people, I don't want to give people the wrong idea. I didn't, well, I didn't get an assistant because I'm getting paid millions. That's not how it works.

So now that the girls are all grown up and doing, like, their own, like, life things, I guess the question would be, like, did you ever see when you started producing Teen Mom that they would evolve into, like, some of them entrepreneurs and doing all these different types of businesses? Fuck no. I beg to, I'm not gonna, the answer is yes. You thought that? I have said to a few people, and you know conversations that I have said, that I have

said, I have respect, I have, I can see that you are gonna, you know, do bigger things. You're gonna do bigger things. I knew it for, and I've had those conversations, and you know that I have. And so, yeah, so like, I'm not really shocked, I'm not shocked with Kale at all. Like, I think that- That's the nicest thing you've ever said. Oh, I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked.

But, but I do think that as, and I'm gonna go back to my thing, you're gonna tell me, you know what I'm getting to, but I'm just gonna say it, which is, I think that as you get older and as you, the problems and the situations and the things that we incur as adults are different than the ones we were, had when we were 16, 17, and 18. And we still have that responsibility when it's right to be able- You know what I'm talking about? Okay. Yep.

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They know what we've talked about on the podcast. Just to clarify. Go ahead. We talked about a couple of episodes on the podcast about sharing stories about domestic violence. We had people send us in messages about it, and the number of messages that we received, obviously, it's very more common. It's more common than what I think I would have ever realized, and some of the situations

I literally felt so bad for some people because I've never found myself. I'm going to talk about my story. I just need to find the right time to do that. It's when it's right. I know that right now, in this environment right now on TV, just generally, I feel like we're hearing more incidents of this in the news than ever before. I don't know if it's because finally, maybe through, it's a good thing. I feel like people are becoming more brave to be able to talk about this stuff.

I think, too, with technology, this is just throwing something out there, but I think that now that there are receipts that people can prove and back up what they're saying, I think a lot of women or men that are in domestic violence situations feel like people wouldn't believe them if they talk about it. Now that you have social media and access to technology and phones and proof, I feel like more people are willing to talk about it. I feel like people just generally want to hear authentic stories about what's going on, and we've discussed that on the podcast before.

That's when we get the most feedback from people when you're saying something that is truly resonating with a listener because they've been there. I'll get there. I know. I am happy to be sitting on the other side of the table for support when you're ready. Can we start by not having any more fights on the reunions, maybe, because that's domestic violence, no? No.

Oh, it's not the same. No, I think domestic is... In a relationship. It's in a relationship or family. The problem is with that is most of the time that it occurs to my knowledge, and I'm certainly no expert, is that it happens behind closed doors when there's no other third party present. Certainly no cameras all around recording the instances, and so it becomes... I think my problem, too, though, and we've talked about this before, too, is I don't

want to talk about what happened to me when there is... When I pushed Javi on TV. She feels like a hypocrite. They call me a hypocrite all the time. It's hard for me to then go tell my story that happened recently when I pushed Javi in 2011. Which was when you were how old? I mean, I was 19, but that's not an excuse.

It's not an excuse at all, but as I was saying, also, it's that, and I don't mean to make it sound like it... It wasn't okay then, and it's not okay now, but you are an adult, you're on TV, you have books, you have a podcast audience of hundreds of thousands of people, and you have three children, and I think you know more now than in 2011, as far as who's listening, what they need from you, and what your responsibility is. I think you have more knowledge and insight of that in 2019 than you had in 2011. So I don't think you can go backwards by any means.

I think she never wants to come off as a hypocrite. Especially for something like that. Because she wants to be able to practice what she's preaching. I think people don't understand that when they see Teen Mom on Tuesday nights. They don't understand what goes into it and what it takes to share a story, and I think that it's hard because we do have to essentially negotiate with the producers what to talk about and when to talk about, and how we're going to talk about it. It's not just a negotiation of like, to sound like produced, because it's not produced.

No, no, but it's like how to effectively tell a story. Right, because I don't want to do a scene on Teen Mom 2 about domestic violence, and it's three minutes, and that's it, that's the end of it, and moving on to the next day's drama. Like, that's not really how it goes, right? Like, I am now in counseling once a week, I have to go to court, I have like a ton of shit going on, so it would be hard for me to then just talk about it one time and be done.

Right. Because it affects more aspects of my life and stuff going on. And just like a one time conversation. Right, but I also don't want to make my entire Teen Mom 2 story about domestic violence. But I don't think it is, I think it's just a part of who you are right now. I think it's a part of like what you're going through right now. And I think that as you get better, then that will kind of like phase out, but it's a part of what you're dealing with, and it's a part that's consuming a lot of your life.

What's your message to the audience who are listening that have had a similar situation, you know, or a situation where they're in it? That's the hardest part, because I don't have the advice. Like, the only thing that I can say really is that when you're in that type of situation, like you're not going to leave until you're ready to leave, no matter what anyone says to you. You're going to hit a wall at some point. But I mean, at the end of the day, you can't, the only thing you can really do is be there

for someone who's going through it. Right. That's it. I could always tell Kale every time that she shares something with me, I always say, like, I'm not going to try to convince you to do anything. Like when you're ready, you'll be ready, but like all the support for you. Because when you push people to do something that they don't want to do, then you're also risking them rebelling against that.

Or like losing that friendship or losing any of that stuff. But do you feel that like, I mean, I mean, you do know, I don't have to ask you, but as far as the people who are listening, that, you know, it can save, it can save a life ultimately. This is true. We don't have to get all sad and talk about domestic violence on this podcast. Okay. We can talk about happier things now. Is that what you want to do?

Yeah. You want to talk about happy things? Yeah. I want to talk about positive things. I'm joining a cult with Leah. I am the memes after this episode. So Lindsay, do you ever wonder how some kids can get so many gifts around the holidays or how everyone randomly goes to Disneyland like five times a year?

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You know what? I think you have to move to California. Why? Because then I would get the frequent flyer miles. Okay. He's still only worried about the frequent flyer. Right. Because then he gets him for his family.

So I get it. So I get it. That's the only perk. The perk is being a part of my life. No. I have a great question. Yes, of course. That goes without saying.

Let me ask. Okay, go. Sorry. The question is, is how does Teen Mom production feel about clickbait articles and like saying all of these things? How does anybody feel about seeing clickbait? Does anybody enjoy that? I enjoy the money.

Well, I don't know about that side of it. And that's the tea. So how does it, you get into a contract with it? I don't even know how this stuff works. So clickbait is something where you get, you sign a contract and then they get to just pretend they're you. They don't pretend they're me. They just post articles on my, hold on, my son's school is calling.

This is the real life. Yes. I'm calling this evening to remind all of our families that I have today, report cards are available online. Round of applause, everybody. Report cards are online. That's her people. You know why they invented that?

For people like me who forged. You forge? Your parents signature. That's what we're talking about on the last. That's why they created systems. Oh, we made, I made a signature stamp in my house. You did? Yeah.

That's amazing. For your kids? No. But I'm sure they'll find them at some point. Right. I was talking about. Just like about. He was saying, do you enter into a contract?

They don't pretend that they're me. They just have access to my social media and they're able to post stuff. All right. I mean, you're a person. I'm surprised that you, well, I guess you said it's about the money because you're somebody who likes control over your brand and what you put out there. So I'm surprised you would get involved into something where some other corporation was able to use your.

Yeah. I would hate to be a part of that. I would not want to be a part of that. So wait, like how do you feel when there's a storyline coming up on the show and then the media gets ahold of it? Yeah, that is a good question. Right. Like so, because in the beginning, I think we were all like, we cannot do any type of

interviews. Like we can't do any of that. So what happens when it's out of our, like, I'm trying to think of something where like paparazzi might have gotten it or like it leaked before truthfully, like my pregnancy with Luxe, I wasn't ready to announce that it wasn't made public, but other people made it public. So then it was no longer going to be like a shock factor on team mom too. So what happens then?

Do you guys get like upset? Do you change the storyline? Like, how does that work? No, I mean, the storylines are the storylines and the media, I'm kind of conflicted because I think it's sometimes it shows like the realness. Well, just that the show is, you know, the people care. I mean, if people didn't care, why would the media report on it, right? But it does frustrate me when I see when it hurts you guys.

Like that's when it, that's when I get upset when I, when, when you, you know, call me and they're like, what the fuck? Like, how did this get out? You know, or, or, or somebody else, that's where I get upset. I got married in 2000, married once. Right. Well, I mean, I got married at Justice of the Peace and then I got married again. Well, I hadn't told my family that I went to Justice of the Peace because I was only

inviting them to my wedding and MTV did the press release for me without my permission and without me knowing. So I was in New York at a shoot, 14 mom, two, and it was out in the public. The media had gone. So that record, I don't really know about this, but I was like, what the fuck? I didn't tell my family. Now I have to text them instead of telling them that fucking Thanksgiving. I'm serious.

People know more stuff about me than I know about myself. Sometimes I get text messages and I'm like, well, when did that happen? Like that never happened. What are you talking about? Like, I feel like there's a lot of like fakeness in the media. Yeah. Like there's like partial truths to a story, but it's like they've got twisted the information completely.

Yeah. Completely to a different direction. So I don't know. I get that now that you're in the spotlight, Larry. What media? Yeah. No, because nobody really, really cares about that. Well, one time they did an article saying that you were my child's father.

And then I made a joke out of it. Right. It was, it was, it was pretty. It was pretty hilarious. I was going to say. It was pretty funny. It was pretty funny. See that's the part.

What's that? To Kylie Jenner's like bodyguard. Yeah. But that was like way, way more serious than everything. We're like the same. They look the same. Yeah. It was completely hilarious and a joke and, and again, and this is one of those things.

This is a great, no, it's a great example because this is one of the things you weren't hurt by it. I wasn't hurt by it. We laughed at it. Ha, ha, ha. It was over, but it's the media attention where you guys get hurt or feel hurt by it. That's the part that bothers me. Got it.

That's so weird. Like people really care about what we do and now they care about what Larry does, which is nuts. I think we should all get, that's a Larry question shirts made. Wait. I'm going to ask this question. Going forward now that you're going into a new season, did y'all get picked up yet? We don't know yet.

You don't know yet. Yeah. Okay. So mystery is, or what is it called? Like the verdict is out. The verdict. Yeah. We don't know.

You don't know. To be decided. So like what, what could possibly be to come for reunions? Like. We're not, I'm never going to another reunion ever again. Yeah, you will. No. You say that now.

I'll send Isaac, he's coming for Dr. Drew's job. So what's going to happen? Cut him his money. I think probably to the next one, I imagine we're going to probably fly you in and out on a helicopter. You know, and maybe that'll be better. We'll land it at the top of Viacom and you just come down, do your segment, right back up the elevator.

Can we talk about Kale literally leaving me in New York City and I thought it was a joke. Like I literally thought it was a scam. I thought I was being scammed. The whole reunion was a scam because I literally, the producers, like I'm not making this up or in a circle like this on stage and I literally raised my hand. I walked over to my, hey, remember me? Yeah. This isn't a good idea.

And then she left me. Mm-hmm. She left me. She left you there. Yeah. Because you guys had planned to do a podcast the next day. Yeah. I think that's why you were there, right?

Yeah. So then I just got Italian food and I went to bed and then I woke up and went to brunch. So it wasn't a total loss? I mean, it wasn't a total loss. It was a waste of her time. But I was confused. Like I genuinely was confused for 48 hours. But New York Italian food is pretty good.

Have you ever felt like so confused when you don't know what's going on? Yeah. Chicken Parmesan. What? Chicken Alfredo. Did you chicken Parmesan? No. What do you have?

I got Rigatoni Bolognese. Yes, but Rigatoni Bolognese in New York City is better than Rigatoni Bolognese where you live in. The first time I ever met Larry. I was really excited about it actually. Okay. The first time I met him was when I was 14, was 16 and pregnant through the Empire State Building and got us pizza.

That's right. But a nice guy. I pooped my pants in the elevator. You were all, you were all, what was that last point? She's always shitting her pants. I almost pooped my pants in the elevator because of the pizza. We, yes, because I used to run back in the very beginning, a lot of them were, everybody was very young.

They had not come to New York City by themselves all that much. You were trying to get them cultured. Well, no, I was trying to, I handled it like a class trip, you know. We all walked, we all walked, we all walked, we all walked in lines. This was our senior class senior. We all walked in line. We had chaperones and we had made sure everybody was safe all around and we, we, you know, we, no talking while we were walking from place to place, that kind of thing.

Oh my God. And I was like pushing Isaac through the Empire State Building and basically shitting my pants. Like, can you get me to that hotel now? I think that that's... Everybody got along then. Yeah. Something Cal needs to go to the doctor for is IBS. Okay.

I really think you should because we've talked about her shitting her pants like multiple times. Would they ever film a reunion from one of our hometowns like we did with Leah back then when she first had Addy? I think anything is a possibility. We have to talk about it and see creatively what works. Like, why do they call it a reunion when... We want to be breaking news, Larry.

Because you know what? I think that, at least I can't speak for anybody else. Right. Oh my God. If you asked me the question is what would you like to see, you know, in the near future? I would like to be a host instead of a cast member. Well, I would like to see that in your future too. Okay.

But I would like to see everybody just get along again. But the safety was compromised. I know that. But I'd like to hopefully, as people get older and it gets further... I think with Teen Mom 2 cast, I think that could happen if like nobody else was there. Go away. I can get along with all the original cast members, a hundred percent. A hundred percent.

She said she would even get on stage with Janelle. I would. That's progress, Larry. I would. I think... Okay. So like, you're going to fly them? Oral host?

Young and Pregnants for Unions. And then I don't... I could get excluded from my own. Yeah. She really wants to be excluded. That's a compromise. But if she was excluded, then she would be also pissed. Yeah.

She would not like that. No. I would. No, you wouldn't. I would. Kale, we're calling BS. Okay. Because if you were excluded, you'd be like, well, why wasn't I there?

I was fine with it when... That was what was told to me for this past reunion was, are you going to be okay if you are not on stage with the rest of the girls? And I said, I'm okay with that. I think you got super mad when like a clip, like, didn't include enough of your family or something. It didn't have my kids at all. Right.

That was a different situation. Got it. The whole thing. That's right. We talked about it on the podcast about how your kids weren't included and you were really upset. Because they literally weren't on it at all. But like me being on a reunion set is different.

Do you get what I'm saying? Yes. So what would they do? They would just not put any of my season on there either? I don't know. We're not really talking about that because you'll be at the next reunion. I know you will. We're like playing hypotheticals at this point.

Wait, so do we have any more questions? No. Do you feel bad about leaving me in New York City with being lost for 48 hours? You weren't lost. You were not lost. In my mind, I was lost. You could have called Larry. Larry was busy doing the reunion that you weren't at.

As I was walking up and down the halls, we were like searching for flights for you to get out that night. You could have even made it out that night. You chose to stay. I chose to stay. Because you wanted your Italian food. I wanted my Italian food. At that point, I was like, no, I stayed because I had just been on a plane.

You were like, I'm going to make this trip worth it for 90 minutes. I tell you that flight often. By the time you... You've gone to Atlanta? Well, I connect through Atlanta all the time. It's like a Delta hub. I hate that fucking airport. It takes 90...

You know what? If you are a Delta Diamond, your experience in Atlanta is you fly a lot. Which is Larry. And then your experience in the Atlanta airport changes significantly. I do have a question. We're talking about the airport. Do you go to the Sky Club? All the time.

Do you eat off the buffet? No. He's a germaphobe. Why don't you eat off the buffet? We didn't talk about the B-Soo. If you spend 10 or 15 minutes in line or watch the buffet before you actually go over there and take it, you'll never eat one again. I don't eat off buffets either.

I would eat... No, no. I would eat there if I... Sometimes if they bring like a fresh plate of food out. And I was the first person. Yeah. I would do that too. We did not talk about the B-Suit.

What's the B-Suit? We went to Puerto Rico right before I got pregnant with Lux. And I knew Larry was coming on the strip because the frequent flyer miles. He's a germaphobe. Like me? Like as bad as me? Worse. Like on steroids.

Shows up to Puerto Rico at the pool in an entire B-Suit. Why? Well, that particular incident is not a germ situation. That was... That is because I'm afraid of bees and afraid of those mosquitoes that have... What was that one that made the babies... What's the mosquito disease? Zika.

Zika. Zika. He wore the mask, the headgear. He only could see out of like right here, I swear to God, in Puerto Rico, in the heat. Larry, did you do this because... We need to bring up some images of that. You were scared or were you doing this because you were being funny or were you doing this? He puts the remote hotel bag in a bag.

I am scared. I am scared of bees. Legitimately scared of bees. Like are you allergic? He doesn't know because he's never been here. Yeah. Never been stung. I'm scared of the idea of...

Getting stung. Getting stung, yeah, and having a stinger stuck in me. That's a terrible idea. And on top of that, there's this mosquito virus going on that everyone is going to have like... It's going to shrink heads and change your... That's for unborn babies. I know, but still, if it could just affect an unborn baby that way, then who knows how it's going to affect an adult in 10 or 15 years.

So I didn't want to... I don't want to test that. But then I felt bad because it was really hot and there was a pregnant woman at the pool and she looked mortified that she was walking around and I was in a bee suit. So then I started feeling bad for myself and really uncomfortable, so I took off the bee suit. So wait, did you wear the bee suit because you thought that bees wouldn't come near you if you were wearing it yet? No, there was a travel thing.

No, you wear a bee suit so that if the bee does come near you, it will not sting you like the beekeepers. Like it won't penetrate through the thing. Right. So do you travel with Ziploc bags? Tons of Ziploc bags. Like you travel with it in your suitcase? To put the remote in? No, no, the remote is either...

The ice bag uses the ice bag. Yeah, this has gotten completely out of it. Either you wipe down, if you don't have a wipe, then another trick you can do is you can take the bag, if you're not going to get ice in your ice bucket or even if you are, just ask for another bag, you take the plastic bag, you put the remote in... Stealing all your ideas. Put the remote in the bag. Yeah, that's a perfect idea because you could never know what could be on that.

The remote is the dirtiest, I think the remote is the dirtiest. I think the remote is dirtier than the phone. You don't know, like think about when you would touch the remote. Did you see some of those movies you could buy in the hotel room? I used the phone this morning and was this close to my face and I wanted to bomb it. No. Because it was so dirty and so filthy, like I truly was like, I'm having a lary moment. First of all, if you're in a hotel, you should, do they have speakerphone?

You should not be picking up the phone. I was like 5am. I don't... Speakerphone. This was when she was freaking searching for her breakfast and then bugging me. I know. The end of the world, they started breakfast at 7.30 in the morning in San Diego, California. Listen, I wear slippers in hotels like I travel with them because I'm afraid for my feet to

touch the carpet. Yeah. Do you know how nasty the carpet is in hotel rooms? Yeah, you're supposed to keep everything off the floor. You're supposed to put your suitcase on the floor. I don't. Mine's on my couch. You should either on the couch or you should...

Someone told me to put them in the suitcase. You put on those luggage racks. Put the suitcase in the bathtub for a night. Yes, that's true. Wait, what? Tell me next. Our exterminator told us to do that. To put the suitcase in the bathtub.

Right. And go... Bed bugs can't climb on the bath. Go check under the bed for bed bugs. Yep. Before you take the suitcase out of the bathtub and make sure everything's good. You should check the corners of the beds. You didn't tell...

We didn't tell Larry what happened with the cockroach in my hotel room. Oh, go ahead. I had nightmares before I went to bed. Like, before I went to bed. I was imagining all the cockroaches. So we were in Atlanta. Were we in Atlanta? Yep.

Recording podcast. Recording the podcast and there was mice in the wall or bats or something. And they were like... She claims. No, they're 100%. Like, you know when there's something in the wall like squeaking and running around. Sure, that wasn't the room next door. Just banging against the wall.

That's what I said. No, no. Okay. So I'm telling Lindsay the next day on the podcast like what was happening and are you supposed to be somewhere? No. I was just looking at my watch. Oh.

Sorry. She tells me. She tells me. I'm on a press tour. My manager is about to yank me out of here. I have to get to my next interview. She tells me. She didn't want to tell me that while we were doing our like an ad for Instagram that she

was putting my outfits together and a cockroach ran across my bed. But I didn't tell her. Because she knew I would freak out. But then I freaked out because I slept in a room with cockroaches. And when I laid down last night in this hotel, which is completely different, I couldn't close my eyes because I was afraid that there was going to be cockroaches that run across me. Yeah.

So you know what? I think about it. Hotels always think that somebody's going to murder me. Do you ever think of that? No. Like I always think that if I don't close the deadbolt that like it's going to like somebody's going to come in and use like a master. No.

I'm scared of that at my house. I'm scared of that at my house. I feel safer in hotels. No, because you're somebody that's got a master key. So how do we know that they're not murderers? I actually just read a book about that. It's called I'll get back to you on that. I just read it.

It was so good. It was so good. I was like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

So I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was so good. It was so good. It was die like they wanted people to use a master key? No, they didn't use a master key.

Yeah. Actually they did. Yeah. See, it's a real thing. But they didn't, the murderer didn't use a master key. How did they get in? The murderer, the master keyholder caught the murderer that way. So you want me to tell you what to do?

What? I find a chair in my room. So we did not touch on the fact that Larry got a tarot card reading before we started this interview How did you feel about that? I it wasn't a technical tarot card. I think it was called an angel card um, I Pulled it said wisdom And what did that mean to you? Did you feel touched by it special to you it did it just it it reaffirmed the fact that you're wise

Smart you are smart Do you feel like your law school? That doesn't make me smart. Do you feel like you're smart? It does make people I think I think that my just like no I think like I like to think that I think kind of logically and I think I would be a good lawyer I think I would make a good lawyer You guys should both just go to law school and go into practice together. Yeah, we should No, I would literally Chris Lee Campbell Lowry and associates. No, I I want to be Kale Lowry Esquire Well, you'll be an Esquire, but I want that ESQ. I know but we're I'm talking about firm name like

Campbell Chris Lee Campbell Lowry and associates Lowry. What is the associate? Those are the other loss the other not interns, but you know the loss of the lawyers that you bring on that are Not the owners of the practice. Well, this is what we'll do whoever gets a better score on the LSAT their name goes first. Oh That's a bet. Yeah, it's a good one and you probably will do better than me. Oh, I've been studying I'm just a natural attorney. What is the difference between a lawyer and an attorney? Oh Good question because Larry I believe that that's the lawyer and attorney are the same thing They're not that I don't know because I don't know why the doctor and physician have two days one went to

Trial and one doesn't no I Want to do that. I want to I want to go on like a murder trial Go on jury duty. Can you know are you nuts? No, I'm not even no. I'm not going on. Actually. I will will if I get summoned But you can get out of it. You don't volunteer. I want to go on jury duty, but I never get picked You never have gotten picked. No, I got I got picked every year in college Someone's gonna be listening to this podcast Yeah, I want to get picked for a good case though

No, but I want to be an attorney on a murder case my attorney now that I use yeah He was beside himself because his paralegal got picked for jury duty for a murder case That was over two weeks long and he's like couldn't figure his life out and it was so funny Oh my god, you don't want to talk about sad shit on this now. You're putting everybody asleep. Wait. Wait, can you? Sorry guys wait, did you practice law before you didn't no, I didn't practice. So what were you doing in law school? I? I'm sorry Larry. I just need to know the answer. Um, I was interning at CBS television And so did your ultimate goal was to produce TV? It was to work in the television business and to do a legal side. Yeah, the business side of it. Yeah, sure

Well, Larry, this has been fun. Do you have any questions for us? Do you have any questions for Keele? I feel like I've asked a ton of questions. I always felt like I was interviewing her at some well We should have a podcast together. We should make this like a weekly thing or I mean a monthly thing Yeah, but Larry you're gonna have to come with some juice because we give us the insights we we like to be breaking news I I wish that you guys for the next time I would come with a little bit more preparation on topics, but you didn't tell me we should do like he didn't give me a call responsible for we thought we would return the favor we were gonna do the same thing that team mom too does to us no schedule no planning a 30-minute break on the on the fly. Yeah

Did it feel good? Did it feel good to be on the fly? No, it's very I didn't sign up for this. I didn't send an email saying pick me before we go We want to do the breaking news for not just team mom, but like for like MTV Well, that would be a conversation to have with MTV great and you I mean, I'd love to be on the phone and be part of it

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