Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 108: Leah Messer, Teen Mom 2 & Possible Pregnancy

Episode Date: December 5, 2019

This week, Kail & Lindsie welcome Leah Messer from Teen Mom 2 back to the podcast for their one year podcast anniversary. They talk about everything, from vacationing together, to possible pregnancies and her relationship with Jeremy. The share their feelings about there not being dads on Teen Mom any longer. All this and much more! 

Hey guys, welcome to Coffee Combo's. Hey, I'm here, half dead, but here. Great, we're all dead inside. So we, you know what, we've had a really long and draining day yesterday. We worked from five, well I was up at five and we didn't finish recording podcasts until nine p.m. Yes. And that was a long day.

That was a long day. I'm dead inside today. And then we were also up at 6.30 in the morning. Yeah. By the way guys, we have Leo on the podcast from Teen Mom 2. So the last time we had you on the podcast was exactly a year ago. No, I didn't. Really?

Yes, this week was our one year anniversary. What? I guess, podcast anniversary. Yes, podcast anniversary. What did we talk about? We were in Atlanta and we called Jeremy on that podcast and I can't remember what else we talked about. We actually talked about starting your book.

Really? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Our listeners can confirm. Oh, I bet, yeah. You talked about like you were in the process of maybe starting or wanting to and so that was a year ago. That's nuts. Right.

Literally nuts. And it's taken me that year. Yeah. To complete it. It don't take a long time. It's a work of progress. Everybody says that writing books is like having a child. Therapy.

Yes. It's also therapy. Yes. But it's like your baby. It's like a baby. I know this. I was reading the manuscript that I sent in and it was sent back to me on the way here and I was crying at the time.

Like how could someone so little like nine, ten years old after getting beat go and help your dad bandage himself up afterwards. Like the love and compassion that you have like at such a young age. Yeah. For sure. We're excited. So that was one of the things that we wanted to talk about was your book. So we can talk about, you can talk more about it once we get into it, but I guess first,

how are the kids? They're doing great. They're good. I mean, I did clarify on the phone call with Jeremy, but I did not allow Addy to say the F word. Okay, Cal. I did. I did not.

Jeremy and Lear basically calling you Liars. And I can't call Addy a liar, but I didn't do that. And they say fuck a lot, but I told Jeremy she got it from him. She probably did get it from him. So maybe she just knows that you say that. So it would be valid. Right. Right.

Yeah. So I'm going to say yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I miss them and I'm ready to do another vacation. Oh my gosh. I can't wait. We have.

Where are we going next? Orlando? Oh yeah. Yeah. I would love to do like just for like a little weekend getaway. You guys are nuts. Like I feel like I would never go on vacation with like. Multiple children.

Yeah. Yeah. Really? No, that's so hard. When you're going on vacation with multiple, multiple children, you're doing it for the kids because there's no relaxing. It's not fun for the adult. Like the only joy in it is watching the kids have fun, but you're simultaneously pulling

your hair out. But are they so occupied with each other that they're having a fun time because I feel like being a mom of one, I'm constantly entertaining him. Yeah. Right. No, our kids are pretty much self-sufficient. Yeah. The only one that needed a lot of attention was Lux.

Well, understandably, he's a baby. Yeah. But he lived his best life in Hawaii. So. I think we had fun. The only thing, the only, I mean, the only thing was just going from one island to the other hopping islands. Like that was.

Because you basically just like travel. Wait, do y'all get evacuated? No. We moved, we moved sides of the island before it got caught on fire. We literally moved our Airbnb the day before the fire started. That's nuts. Yeah. I didn't even know about it until Leah told me.

So. Of course she didn't know about it. I don't believe it. Because she's like the whole island's on fire and kills like, what's this? What are we going to do today? Let's go skydiving again. Oh my gosh. I love it.

So you guys plan on doing these vacations like. Yearly. For a long, like yearly, long period of time. Yes. Like my kids love Leah's kids and they ask for them. I love that. Like when are we going to see the girls again and Lux will literally see the TV and be like Addy.

That's so. Cute. That's so cute. Yeah. They were super. They saw each other at the reunion. They did so well. I know.

They loved it. Oh my gosh. Did they do a kid special? Well, it was like us with Chelsea and then all the kids together. That's so cute. Yeah. Aubrey didn't want to do it, but one day she'll want to. Yeah.

So. Yeah. Yeah. So when we were doing our live, we were asking obviously about questions and your sister got on and she told us to ask you about your Costa Rican friend. I did meet a really great guy in Costa Rica where we. Are you also pregnant? What the fuck?

I am not pregnant. I literally. I just started my period actually today. So I'm super emotional. I literally just made that up like off of the fly because we ask each other all the time. Are you pregnant? Yeah. Every day.

Well, not every day. Every podcast. Every podcast. Yeah. Yeah. So I was just going to give you a hard time. I know you're not pregnant. No.

And yeah. So we, I met this guy and we had a really great connection, but I'm at a place in my life where I just don't want to be committed to a relationship. So I have friends and that's. And that's that. So you're not talking to people or you're talking to people. I am talking to people. Oh.

But I'm not dating anyone. Okay. See. Jeremy could date a relationship with anyone. Jeremy told us that you were talking to people and I was like, I don't believe that. Like I'm, she's not. When him and I were like figuring out our shit, we were both talking to other people. No, no, no.

He meant like now. And I was like, there's no way she's talking to multiple people. And he was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He even said she would admit it. Yeah. He said that you would admit it and he said that Addy tells him who you talk to.

Little shit. Are we spilling the tea? Little shit. Like is this something you didn't know? Cause now you do. Yeah. No, I didn't know Addy was running around. Yeah.

Can she read like the names in your phone? Yes. Oh, she read them too. I have to hide my phone. I saw on Teen Mom the one episode of the girls taking your phone and I think it was Aliyah reading your text messages. My sister definitely enticed that because that's what my sister does. Just like she told you to ask me about my Costa Rica friend.

So yeah, she was saying like, oh, your mom's going out on a date with Brandon. They thought it was my producer, Brendan. Oh my God. I don't need any more of those types of rumors. So they grabbed my phone and that's when they seen, I sent like a little kissy face of Jeremy. Nothing meant by it, but they thought, oh my gosh, mommy and that's what happened with that scene.

Got it. Okay. But you are currently talking to people. The people, yes. But what did they snoop for in your phone? What did they think that they were going to find? I think in that moment, they thought they were going to find that I was going on a date with some guy named Brandon, but then they've seen a little kissy face of Jeremy.

He went on a date. I didn't. My sister was messing with them. Okay. Telling them that. Okay. Okay. So the holidays are just around the corner and I was trying to think of something really

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Yeah. Yeah. I feel like... Like they're guards up. They're trying to investigate. They just don't want anyone with... Yeah, they don't want me with anyone. Which is fine.

That's understandable. I mean, I feel like as a kid, you're going to be apprehensive of anyone that your parent dates. Yeah. But I also know that we're single moms and we're going to date. It is what it is. Yeah, that is true. I mean, I feel like...

I mean, I've never dated, but... I have an unrealistic expectation to think that you're not going to date. Like, what are you supposed to do? I feel like we get a lot of hell and you don't want to film about it or this and that. And I'm like, I'm going to film dates because I am a single mom and I just look at that. Yeah, that's what you're doing. I mean, I'm not... I can't go and socialize and date.

So, would you film a first date? Yes. I feel like that's so awkward. It is awkward. You haven't even ever been on a date. So, how would you know if it was awkward? I know. Okay, let's clarify.

I've been on dates when I'm already in the relationship. Okay. So, I've been on dates. What's that like? I don't know. Where do you guys go? And what do you do? Applebees.

You go to Applebees? Oh, no. Oh, my God. Kale. No. Oh, my God. What do you get at Applebees? And what are you doing?

What are you doing at Applebees? I was just kidding. No, she's not. Where do you go? We go to Olive Garden. Kale's been there like a million times. Like, it's nothing. No, I'm just kidding.

One time I went to them, I did go to the melting pot. You did? Yeah. Was it a good date? No. We left fighting. You need to go on adventurous dates. You need something.

Yeah. Like, go carding, rock climbing, experience. Yes. I'm down for that. Still not filming it. Why? I can't believe you would film a first date. Like, how do you explain yourself?

Because I'm not ashamed. It's not about shame. I just would be like, first of all. Or judgment. I don't care what anyone says. We're going to date. Okay. Maybe we should go on a double first date.

I do have a question for both of you. Okay. And you're probably going to answer it differently based off of what you're saying. Why wouldn't you film a date? Do you feel like it has to do with somebody just trying to get on the show and like get a notoriety from you? And why would you film one? And do you have any reservations on dating somebody because they might just want to be

with you because of Teen Mom? I definitely have reservations that maybe some people only talk to me because of the show. But I also feel like it is part of my life. And that's where I'm at right now. And why wouldn't I want to share that? Why wouldn't I want to be vulnerable and present that? Like, there's so many other single moms out here that probably feel the same way.

Everyone's mom shaming these days. Yeah. So why not make a stand for that and go, you know what I mean? I guess I wouldn't want to film one because meeting someone and going on a date is our already a little bit awkward. So then you're putting them on the spot and now they don't know how to act because they've never been on TV before. And you don't know how to act because you've never been on a date other than Applebee's.

And so are you really going to get a good reading on someone? Right. Because they don't really know how to act with all the cameras. That's why you go on another date. Yeah. It's not like a start and like finish. Yeah. You can go in without cameras.

But I don't care to film it. Okay. Because I feel like, I don't know. Yeah, I know. I see what you're saying. But I also feel like maybe you should want to go with them on the date to see how they would act around cameras because if they start acting real cheesy and like they really like it, then that should be a good indication.

That's a wrap. That's a wrap, literally. Yeah. That's true. That's a good point. I don't know. I'm still not going to do it. So.

Fast forward slash rewind. What is the status of Victoria and her baby? It's a boy. We saw the gender reveal on Instagram. Did they film it too or no? Can you believe I'm having a fucking nephew? First of all, I can't even believe that your mom has seven granddaughters. And this is the first grandson.

How? How does that happen? Does that happen? It's meant to happen. Don't they say that like males predict the sex though? Yes. Male spermies. So y'all just mess with the wrong kind.

Right. Men that only produce females. Are the kids excited? Yeah, but yeah, she is having a boy and she's going to name him Kai. That's so cute. Wait, is that like Costa Rican? No. Kai Costa Rican?

I feel like it is. C-A-I, like the hyphenated I, yeah. What does it mean? I love it. What does it mean? I wish I knew. I wish I knew. I just love it.

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but... Fuck off. Perfect. That's perfect. Where are they going to raise the baby, and are they going to do that together, or is that something that we're going to see in the upcoming season of Teen Mom? You will see it in the upcoming season of Teen Mom. It has been a process, just going back and forth to Costa Rica, and the process of getting

him over here. He may or may not be here on the baby's board. That's so sad because he wants to be. Is the ultimate goal for him to live in the United States? Yes. Okay, so he wants to move here. Yeah. Okay.

He's scared to move here. He's terrified. Well, of course, because, I mean, think about it, right? Like, you live in another country, and your job is to take people on excursions and tour Costa Rica, like, why would you want to come here where you have to bust your fucking ass to work and not get paid enough? So why would he want to come here? Now, the real only reason for him to come here is Victoria and the baby.

The baby, yeah. Well, so are they in love, or are they co-parenting, or like what? Yeah, they're in love. Okay. Would she not consider having the baby in Costa Rica? No. Because the baby could have dual citizenship. No.

No, if the baby is born in Costa Rica with all the new laws and stuff, it could be the denied citizenship here. Oh, wow. So you guys have been going through this whole process? Yeah, it could possibly not get the dual, but if it's born, something, something about that, but if it's born here, then it will have dual citizenship. But there's like, like, I was even talking to your friend, Janae, and if she would get pregnant in Japan, that would be like, it would be a citizen in Japan.

It wouldn't be, it could possibly be denied here in the States. That's such a process that I feel like- Sad. Yeah. Your sister probably didn't, was not thinking about that during the moment. No. No. She was, Kel knows.

Yeah. That wasn't a thing. What else we got? Um, so the next thing we have is, okay, this is a question from Instagram on Instagram Live. Um, we didn't really- We didn't come up with these. Yeah, these are not from us.

Okay. Um, why don't you be more blunt with Jeremy about being a family? Why do you let him call the shots? I feel like I've been pretty blunt with Jeremy. I feel like you have. So that when I saw that question, I was kind of like, hmm. Yeah. I mean, from the beginning, like I said, um, I just set in the moment to figure out what

was right for me and I just decided that it didn't align with my life and where I'm at. I think that's fair. Do you feel like you'll always have a connection? Cause I feel like it's just somebody from the outside looking in, like watching. I feel like you do, you and Jeremy do kind of like have a natural attraction or something to each other. And maybe it's just because you have Addy.

No, Jeremy and I are like playful and funny and fun. Like we're like really good friends. But when we try to create a relationship out of that, it just doesn't work out. We don't have the same views in life. That's literally me and Javi. Yeah. Like Javi and I could have been best friends. It's the same thing.

It's the same thing. I feel like I'm best friends with Jeremy, but I don't, I can't be in a relationship with him. I don't feel like I'm best friends with Javi now, but we could have been. Well, you can't be. Right. I'm just saying like we could have been like that's the same kind of dynamic. If we never got romantic, we could have been really good friends.

But if he wouldn't have been with anybody else, do you feel like with this much time that's passed, do you feel like you could have became best friends with him? Like she is with Jeremy? Maybe. I don't know. I think the one thing that's different, we kind of talked about it with Jeremy is like Javi's very hot and cold. Like one day he's your friend and one day he's not.

Like Jeremy did talk about how like Javi just stopped answering his call, stopped entering his texts, like his head got big, you know, those types of things. And so I don't know. It's hard to say. Like prior to the cameras, fuck yeah, we'd be best friends. We'd be co-parenting. We'd be, you know, getting along, all of it. Does yours and Jeremy's relationship change whenever one of you is dating somebody else?

How do you navigate that? Because I feel like the other person that's involved is naturally going to be jealous, whether it's anything or not. How to navigate it? I don't want to see you again. Like do you care that he's, if he dates somebody else? No, I don't care that he dates someone else at all, but it does bring a different dynamic into, yeah.

You know what just happened to me for Halloween actually, the kids came home and told me that I don't know where this is going. That Jo and V went trick-or-treating with Javi and Lauren. What? And nobody invited me in Lux. Oh wow. Why? Why didn't I know this?

And I was like, how did that even come about? I don't know, I guess. And Lauren? Mm-hmm. That's cute. So could you see yourself doing that? What if Jeremy and Corey took all the kids trick-or-treating without you? What would you do?

I didn't know. And you didn't know until afterwards. I mean, they bullied up against me and they tried to take my kids, so. Well. There you have it. There you have it, guys. That's the tea. Yeah, I can see that happening to me.

Wait, so tell us, we briefly talked about your book. Tell us when it's expected to come out, what it's about, all the things. Oh my gosh. So, it is a memoir, my memoir, and it comes out April 20, 2020. Actually, it's the day before 20. I love it. Yeah. It is just about, it goes into my childhood and the trauma that I went through in my childhood.

And I feel like it's going to give my audience a different perspective of who I am. Like you have what our show has aired for so many people, but there's so much more to my life. There's so much more that people don't know. Like prior to the cameras, prior to getting pregnant at 16. Right. Yeah. And it's weird because I feel like people don't ever ask those questions.

Like maybe how did this happen? No, I feel like people do wonder, but I think it's just not been captured. No. I think they think that we were born 16 and pregnant. No. And not just that when they told our story, when they told our story on 16 and pregnant, they, like, I wasn't a spoiled cheerleader that had it all made. That wasn't, but that's the way I'm viewed because that's the way the show started.

I don't know how you were 16 and pregnant was, but that's like. Oh, I played Varsity Lacrosse in high school and that never, they never put that on there. Yeah. But it was just like. It was just like some orphan. So not. It's an orphan. Kale.

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were still doing public speaking and do you talk about that in your book at all or no? I don't talk about it in my book. My book actually just have to read it. I know. Everyone has to get it. Everyone has to read it. And then yeah, at the end, you'll be like, Oh, shit, like what's next? Yeah.

So, um, yeah, I have an event that I'm actually speaking at in December, December six. I don't know when this is airing, but before that, before that, so if you want people to go, you can say December is the 2020 vision. I'm actually going to be speaking on just details that are in my book that I have not released yet. Besides what I've said on this podcast, okay, cool, breaking news, this is actually perfect timing for it to lead up to that. I know.

It's perfect. I love it. Yeah. Okay. So you're going to talk about all the things that are in your book, give people like ideas of what they can expect. Yes. Right.

Okay. And it's actually in Hawaii. So Maui. Do you give tips in your book on like what you've learned along the way or is it just strictly like your story? There are, there are like tips quotes that I've put in my book. We've like in through and there's also like photos that's never been seen before. Like I'm going to say, I mean, they're pretty crazy if you want to see my uterus, just fucking

saying because remember all the shit that happened with Addy and like how they did it and they took my uterus out and it shaped like a heart. That fucking shit is in my book because they took it out. Yes. They took it out and you can see it like, what do you mean they took it out? That doctor did so many things that she took your, she took your uterus out and put it back in. I will show you a picture.

And then you were able to get pregnant. No, I need to see this now. I need to see this. Okay. So you put it back in your body and then you got pregnant again. So like basically hysterectomy and then put it back in. A reverse hysterectomy. Is that legal?

Are you allowed to do those? Absolutely nothing that they did was legal. When you inject somebody with a spinal tap 15 times, that's not normal. Why a spinal tap? Like an epidural? Because I had a C-section so they numb me from like my shoulders down. It wasn't like right here down. It was so fucked up.

Is it common to get a spinal tap for a C-section or is it an epidural just like? I think it's common. Yeah. But then he was like numbing. But then he was like hollering. Put it through the epidural pack. Like it was not normal. Let me see the picture.

Wait if twins are in your family, I've always wanted to ask you this. They do. They do? Yeah. Who else is a twin in your family? My great grandma had twins. Oh wow. Like multiple sets of twins.

Right. Because if you have one set, you're more likely to have another set. Yeah. But she had so many kids. Wait, so is she the only one that had twins or did any of the twins have twins? Uh, yes they did. So some of her kids had twins. Twins.

Got it. That's nuts. I'm trying to find this uterus picture. Talk about something. Okay. Never mind. Just kidding. Oh I want to find it.

I want to see it. Take that back. Go ahead. Okay. That was something else that looked like uterus. One of our viewers in the live podcast asked what your favorite thing to do in your spare time would be? Favorite thing to do in my spare time.

Did you find it? You're asking questions and I'm answering and trying to find this. So my favorite thing to do in spare time is I like to work. I like to be with my girls and just be in present with them. What do you do when you don't have your girls in your spare time? What would be your guilty pleasure or a hobby? Guilty pleasure, hobby. Shit.

Like mine's like to get my nails done. I love to get my nails done. I love to get my nails done but I... Do you do your nails out of necessity or out of pleasure? No because I have to take it off. The longer my nails are the better. I'm ridiculous with my nails. I hate my nails right now.

Do you do your nails to go to like relax or do you do them out of necessity? Necessity. Likewise. But I also like to relax. I like to get up and it's shaped like a heart. Why did she pull it up? Can I see this? That is a heart shaped uterus.

Like an actual heart. Oh my gosh Leah. Oh my gosh. How... Who was taking these photos? Maybe we gave the camera to someone I don't remember. Like someone there. Wow.

Wow that is nuts. Yeah. What would she have done if she took it out and like I don't know dropped it, damaged it and then put it back? Like... I mean I was under anesthesia. I mean I didn't know. She probably didn't know what was going on.

Well this was in West Virginia. Yeah. She was like 10 sheets to the wind. She was what? 10 sheets to the wind. I think that's the word. That's the word. Yeah.

Like she was like out. I feel like I say a lot of things that like are from the house that you don't get. That's not okay. No then they had me on morphine in the hospital. Morphine? Morphine pump. Why? Because I had spinal headaches or whatever they are.

Like at times I couldn't feel my legs and shit it was so bad. That's nuts. So wait. So all of that's in my book though. So you go into detail about all of this in your book? Yes. Yes. And did you have any trouble when you had Addy?

Or no? I missed Addy like the first six months of Addy. Why? Being a baby because I was in so like I couldn't walk and stuff. I left the hospital early because they wouldn't figure out what they'd done to me. And all of this is in the book? All of this is in the book. Okay.

So if y'all don't know, Leah actually has it posted to her Twitter, the cover of the book and where you can pre-order it, right? Yes. Yes. I do know. I don't know if you want to say like what it's called and where you can find it. Yes. My book is Hope, Grace, and Faith and you can find it on Amazon.

You can just, I mean, you can Google my name and it pops right up. Is it available for pre-order? It is available for pre-order and it will publish in April of 2020. I'll be pre-ordering it and then I'm going to mail it to you to sign. I pre-ordered it already like months ago. Love you guys. With the holidays approaching and traveling recently, it's been hard getting a workout in or knowing what to eat has been nearly impossible at times.

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They didn't specify. I get along so well with my producer, and I want to share my story, so I really enjoy filming. I try to make the best of it. Do I get annoyed sometimes? Yes, especially in my period right now. That's when it's the worst. It's funny because Brendan knows, he's like, I'm like, yeah, I mean, he already knows

it's going. The struggle's real. Yeah. For the most part, I'm not going to say I've always enjoyed it because it's been the past two years that I've been like, why not embrace this opportunity that we have and make a difference with the platform we have. I'm not there yet. You're there.

I'm like, no. He hasn't arrived to that point yet. I'm not at the final destination. Wait, so we asked Jeremy about this, and maybe you have a different perspective on it. How do you feel now that the dads aren't filming on Teen Mom? I think the only dad that's really filming is Cole. Yeah. Like, Javi, Joe, Jeremy, Corey, I mean, Javi and Joe, to my knowledge, didn't film at

all this season. That's weird. Corey feels some, and Jeremy feels some, but not as much as they used to. I know you probably like it, but it doesn't matter to me. I do feel like we already have five girls on our show, so the more scenes that they throw in with the dads makes it hard for us to tell our stories. That's true. That's, I mean, that would be the only.

Right. Kyle said, what did you say, that you feel like it's one-sided? It is one-sided, and as much as I like them not filming for my segment, like Javi and Joe, it does make it difficult for when I can't understand why Joe is doing certain things, you know, previously he's been able to film on Teen Mom, and then I can look back and be like, oh, that's why he did it. Oh, that was his point of view. As much as I don't like it, I'm able to look back and kind of get the insight.

Now he doesn't do that. So. And he doesn't film at all? No, he hasn't, that I know of. Yeah, he, you said they, a long time ago that they hadn't filmed at all, but V films with you, right? No. She filmed that one scene with me, and that was it.

Javi's not filming anymore? No. Not that I know of. I feel like that's so weird. It's like you just don't see half of it. Can I have more time to tell her? Sorry. Exactly.

I gotta, I gotta do better. How many minutes do you guys have to tell your story each week? Four minutes. There's always like an A story, so that's like the one that has the most happening. So that has the most amount of time, which might be like five minutes. Does a specific person get that? There's always an A, no, it's always, it rotates. So someone's always A, B, C, D.

That makes sense. Yeah. Do you like it when you're A story, or when you're A story? It depends what it is. If it's some bullshit, no. No. But like, I think I had like some good scenes with buying the new house and like moving on and, you know, I've had a lot of stuff go on, and I think the bear stuff, you know, that

would mean a lot to me if they really like put a lot of emphasis on like bear, because you know, that was like my dog, you know? So it depends. I mean, I don't know. Do you like being an A story? Depends what you have going on, huh? Yeah, depends what I have going on, huh? Wait, somebody did, or you just scared the fuck out of me, I was like, what is happening

right now? Wait, somebody did ask what happened with your boxer, and did that get covered in Teen Mom? Yeah. Did they cover it? No, because everything in both of our lives are fucking happening the same, like we lost our dogs two months apart. And I remember saying when we were at the VMAs, I was like, if something happens to my dog,

and I felt like, no, I didn't do anything. But I was like, I don't know what I would do, and I was in California for a leadership program that I've been doing, and I got a call while I was shopping for clothes, like we wore dress clothes, and my sister said my dog just died. It was so weird. It was like sudden? I called Kel, actually. I was like, Kel, I need help to get out of the store, I just felt like dropping, because

my dog was my best fucking friend. I don't really talk to anyone back home, so my dog was like, maybe it was an attachment that was meant to happen, but it still was so fucking hard. That's a part of filming too that I don't think anyone, we don't really talk about it. If two of us are going through the exact same thing during our season, I always feel like one of us doesn't get to film that aspect of our life, because another mom on the show is going through it, because why wouldn't they film her go through it, and her talk to her kids about death, and her, you know what I mean?

Right. And she's also doing it. Because they just filmed me go through it. Right. And it would have, yeah, but it was, I mean, the same way you handled it, the same way I handled it with the girls, like the grieving, and it was hard, though, when I got home and I had to tell them, it was, when we went to the crematory place, and they, like, I was like holding my kids as they were bawling and we were walking to my car, it was like

the worst. I think it was harder because it was sudden, like it was like, he was four years old, like how the fuck does that happen? Yeah, I mean, I thought it was sudden for Bear, and he was seven. And then his grandpa died the next week. It was a genetic thing? Yeah, I think so. Had to have been, right?

Yeah, we couldn't figure out what happened, so you literally don't know. He just went to sleep. He was, like, sunbathing outside in the yard and didn't wake up. He wasn't outside in the grass in the sun. No. Well, the only way to find out exactly, he always would go out in the grass and, like, lay down in the sun. But he would have had to been sent to Ohio State for an autopsy and then figured it out

that way, but then we wouldn't have been able to cremate him, and my kids would have been, you know. Devastated. Devastated, you know, earned, and paw prints on top of the rainbow. That's cute. Did you cremate Bear? Yeah. You did?

Yeah. And we got paw prints, and we got his ashes back, and my friend Rachel got me this rainbow stained glass that's in my kitchen window, and it has a paw print instead of a cloud. And we have a little quote, and I did, like, a mixed tiles wall of me and the kids with the dog. That's so sad. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, definitely something that I, you just don't think about it when you get a pet, like you don't think about it. I think a lot of people don't think about the commitment that a pet is and, like, how it's, like, very human-like, you know, like they have feelings and they go through things. Exactly. Um, so... I'm a vegetarian, so if anyone's wondering why, that's why. Oh, we talk about that all the time that we want to be vegetarian, we just don't, like,

know, yeah, we don't know where to start. Because you have to, like, plan it out, or you'll be... Failures. Like, in areas, right? Yeah. So, do you know that your body naturally produces protein? No. We don't know anything.

Yeah. So, tell us. Everything. Well, I'm learning, too. I've only been vegetarian since the beginning of October, but I have no desire whatsoever to eat meat. Well, he was like, I've been vegetarian since just... And my mind fucks with me, so at times I'm like, oh, I really want chicken wings, and

I'm like, how the fuck can I say that in my mind? Because I just, after my dog died, I feel like he was, like, he had feelings and he, and I couldn't imagine, I don't want to eat any of that, you know? I don't know. So, yeah. I just couldn't... Wait, how did you just... So, you just, like, plant soy, like, beans, rice, that's mostly what I eat, pasta, on

this pasta kick. I thought I was going to gain so much weight because I'm eating so many carbs, but our body breaks down the carbs differently when we're not eating meat. Wow. Wait, so how did you just wake up on October 1st and be like, I'm a vegetarian now? I said my dog passed away, that was like a transition for me, I was like, I can't, like, I couldn't imagine. I don't like honey, I don't like any of that.

Okay. Honey, so you're vegan. I have not well, I'm still doing dairy products right now, so I'm in the transition. I'm lactose intolerant, so maybe I could be like, eat dairy, no, not eat dairy, no, I don't know what the fuck I'm saying. I don't know that I could do it. I eat Chick-fil-A, like, way too much. I almost went to Chick-fil-A the other day and I was like, why am I going, it's just

a natural thing that you walk up and you still order it. So do you eat salad? Yeah, I don't. So I guess I can't be a vegetarian. I guess you can't, you can eat pasta, and you can eat rice, and you can eat beans, and that's not enough variety for me. I would love to be a vegetarian, but I love hibachi. Same.

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Quip, the good habits company. So other than being a vegetarian, your book is coming out, can we get an update on Allie? Allie, of course. Yeah. I'm going to go to Columbus next month. We actually haven't been in a little while because she has actually been doing really well. Oh, good.

We did, I did parent-teacher conference, and they were like, they have all have A's, and it feels so good that our kids- Does Allie also get A's? Allie has S's right now. S's. Thank God they're S's. Not lesser days. It'll get better. It'll get better.

I think she needs to be home schooled. That's fine. I talked about maybe wanting to do road schooling. What is that? Where you can get kids on the road. On the road, but you take them, and you travel, and you do museums, and you do all kinds of shit on the road. I could see you being a person like that.

Totally like that. Yeah. Like an ADW camper. Yeah. Yeah. It's an idea. It's such an idea. I feel like that would be so good, Addy.

I just asked Jeremy to homeschool her, too. Is he on board? Because with traveling, I kind of miss her. Because when I don't have Allie and Allie, I travel. But then I usually have Addy, and we have like a little bit of- Like bonding time. Yeah. A long time.

Kind of with blocks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't believe I've been away from him for a couple of days. I know. Because it's been so long. I know that's very odd for you. Yeah. Like normally I travel with him.

I freaking love you. Wait, so what did Jeremy say when you said, can we homeschool Addy? Like, I don't know, let's think about it. Let's think about it. Yeah. So what did he say on the podcast? He said- That he didn't want to talk to us.

He said that he was going to propose to you on stage of the reunion. That's what he told us. Literally, she's not lying. He told me that day. The next one? No. No, baby girl. The one that we just had.

He whispered in my ear that day, and was like, I'm about to propose to her. And I looked at him, and I was like, okay. And then he never did it. Did you hear him? He said what? I was like, okay. And then it didn't happen. But then he didn't tell me not to tell anyone.

So when we got on the podcast day, it was like, why didn't you propose to her? Of course you did. Yeah. I was like, okay. Victoria. Fucking instigator. So then he was like, he got embarrassed. Did you tell him not to?

Did you know about this? I didn't know anything about it. Oh, so you're just now finding out? Yeah, I'm just now finding out. Great. Total shocker. But can I just point out- Yes, go.

Jeremy's one of my best friends, but he's proposed to every single girl he's been with. Bye, Jeremy. You're cancelled. Do not propose to me. Do you want us to give you more details about your proposal? It was going to be a bubblegum ring. I mean, he went to Tiffany's, so I didn't know. He was going to go to Tiffany's for Addy, and you wonder why I say she is a spoiled.

What if he would have got her at Tiffany's wedding ring? Would you have said yes? No. I would have said yes, except for the written and cancelled. What would you have done if he would have dropped down on one knee at the reunion? What would you have said? What would you have said? I would have said-

Let's pretend like it's happening right now. What the fuck are you doing? You would have said that? In front of everybody? But- Did you ever see those? Me before would have just said yes and married. That's why I've been married twice.

But have you ever seen those proposals online that people do, like they go viral on Twitter, and they like ask someone to marry them in front of everyone? Here's the thing. It's like- It's a social pressure. If I love you, I'm going to say yes because all these people are watching. I'm not going to embarrass you, right? No.

But then when we get home- I'm taking it back. We're going to get your ring back and we're not doing this, right? I think if I was you in that situation, had someone dropped down on their knee with a bubblegum ring, I would have said yes and then given it back. See, I feel like Leah's doing it the right way because then she's misleading people to be like- Because then she's going to get the flak for being like, you're sending McSignals because

you told him yes and then you got off stage and then you're like, no. So then people would say she was doing it for ratings or she was doing it for this or she was doing it for that. I don't want you- I mean, okay, fine because then I guess in some- We're talking with you- If you look at it- I've never lied to him about talking to people.

I've just been straight honest with him. I guess if you are willing to take the risk to propose in front of people, like you're full on taking on the chance that you could be embarrassed in front of everyone. Okay, that's fair. Also don't ever propose to me in front of people ever again. I knew it. I knew it was coming. Ever.

Because that happened to me once and I was like the most- Who did this? Javi. Javi? Yeah. Oh my gosh, I thought it was just- And his quote unquote best friend Kim told me that he was proposing on the way there when I was driving to the location.

Oh, that sucks. Wait, why did she tell you? Actually, she told me a couple days before. She was like, he's proposing to you and I'm only telling you because I want you to be able to say yes or no, I want you to think about it before you do it. But did he- so she like went behind his back and he didn't know. Correct. So it ruined his whole plans.

Correct. And he thought you were gonna be surprised. and I wasn't, and I was awkward. Did you tell him? I mean, he knows now. We know that Javi listens to coffee combos, so he knows now. I mean, that girl is truly a snake in all aspects of the word, so it's like,

I don't really care, I don't think anything of it now. Right. But I just feel like you really set yourself up for a failure, I guess, when you propose in front of people. So Jeremy, I did support it when he said that he was gonna do it. I was like, okay. Of course you did.

Of course you did. I was like, okay. It would never be like the person to be like, Jeremy, I actually think that's a really bad idea, and here's the three reasons why I think it's a bad idea. I mean, I looked at him and I was like, I don't think she's gonna be into that, but okay. You know?

I'm not agreeing. Did you see the bubble gum ring? I didn't see a ring. Because it didn't exist, there's probably a lie the whole time. Right, so when I was looking at him, I'm like, oh, this is a good idea. But also, okay, if you're gonna do it,

I also support you, I'm that friend. Got it. I'm like, you wanna bungee jump off a five story building by all means, do I think it's a great idea? No. No, you won't hold me accountable if I wanna jump off of a building. Is that what you're saying?

I'm gonna say. You're gonna let me just jump? Bungee jump. Okay, okay. Not jump free fall. Wait, so tell me the craziest thing that y'all have done together on trips. Like, do y'all go free falling?

Do y'all do like weird stuff? Yes, we do. We've been skydiving, we've been shark diving, we've been. Were you scared in any of this? Yeah, I mean, I was nervous, but I was excited. Like adrenaline. Yeah, adrenaline.

We have, what else have we done? She didn't come on one adventure with me, that was like crazy, and we saw baby tarantulas in this like web, and it was like really cool cause we repelled off of a waterfall. Yeah. And it was super cool. Do we go zip lining?

We've been zip lining in Hawaii. Yeah, we've been, yeah. We've done a bunch of stuff. I almost died. I just died every single time. Oh yeah, for sure. I don't really fight. But also we've almost drowned several times.

I love that video that you have of her falling out of that raft or whatever, that's like my favorite video. She has one of me too. But do you like water rafting? Oh my gosh. That was really intense, and truly my entire life flashed before my eyes, and I was like,

it's been a good run. Wait, how do you guys tear up to like go on these trips? To like. I don't know. How do, I don't know. I don't know. What did that happen? We were going with Moniz to Hawaii for your birthday,

and that's when it all started. No, we went on, really? Yeah, that was the first trip. Right? Yeah, I think I. Well no, this has been going on for, like she came to my wedding, we went to Myrtle Beach, we've always did stuff like that,

but we actually going on like a week long vacation, or it was actually two weeks, is when we went to Hawaii. Yeah, I don't even know, but like I was just like, hey Leah, you wanna go to Hawaii or? And you were like, yeah. And then you were like, hey Kale, do you wanna go to Costa Rica?

And I'm like, sure. That's literally what we do. And now we wanna go to Bali. Oh gosh. We really wanna go to Bali. So that's like, hopefully. That's on your life. We're going to Iceland.

Iceland. We go to Iceland in February. Oh wow. You guys really have it all planned out. We do. I'm really a homebody, guys. So am I, unless I'm traveling. I feel like, what do you mean?

Like if I'm home from Monday to Friday, like in Delaware, I'm not leaving my house, but like if I have a trip planned from Saturday to Tuesday, then I will travel. Does that make sense? Like if I'm home in the state of Delaware, don't ask me to leave. Why?

Because I'll leave when I'm traveling. That's it. Then you stay inside your home. Yeah, I see all four walls and I don't leave. Okay. Yeah. I think it's an anxiety thing for me. Yeah.

Just like going to Hawaii. But you don't like to travel to like foreign places. No, because I don't do good with like foreign food. I told you whenever I went to Hawaii, I act like it was another country, and I took Easy Mac because I was afraid that like they wouldn't have food that I could eat or that Jackson would eat.

So it's like weird stuff. It's like, what are you? She's like, no. Hawaii is amazing. I'm not really down for trying like different types of foods. We're going to a Thai restaurant tonight. I cannot wait. I fear not being able to communicate with somebody.

You know, like what if it was like a life or death situation and like I couldn't communicate with somebody. What would I do? Like that lives there? Yes. Like what if I was like emergency and they were like happiness? What? What?

What do I mean? What if they were like- She's overthinking it. You were overthinking it. You know what I mean? Like what? Like in Kothrika most of them talk English too. Remember, oh, you weren't fucking there

when I got taken out by the Riptide and I went up to the Hawaiian guy. So I'm like, my friend, they didn't speak English. They only spoke, is it Polynesian or is it Hawaiian? The guys that saved us from the Riptide, they were like natives of Hawaii and they didn't speak English, but they like, I like with my gestures, they understood.

No, I'm not doing sign language to somebody to save my life. I'm not gonna be like, hey, like save me. But also they knew exactly what to do. Yeah, because you were drowning. No, we weren't drowning. You weren't drowning. We were stuck in a Riptide on paddle boards.

And you made it in the ocean, right? I mean, it makes for a good story. Yes. And I one time did see this story about this family that went to Mexico and they stayed in an Airbnb and it didn't have carbon monoxide detectors. They worked in there and then they went missing and then people found them and they're dead.

So that can happen anywhere. Yeah. Even in your own home. I changed my batteries. Okay, well, it can also happen in a hotel here. So check the batteries when you go to the hotel room. That's true. Like.

I don't know. But they also speak English. You can go to Europe. They speak English. No, I don't think that's actually the place that I think that I would do the worst at. In Europe. Yeah.

Why? Like London or like. That's Europe. Well, I know, but I'm like saying like specific places. Why? I think like. Why? You look like a spice girl right now.

And you know what they're from? They're from. England. Yes. I just don't think I could do that. Like you look like baby spice with. That's really a big compliment. Okay.

Actually. Okay. That's a cool, fun topic. They're from England. When you watch Spice Girls, who were you? I was. Who do I look like? Sporty spice or scary spice?

I feel like. Always. I love those two girls. Those are the two ones that you like. Yeah, I loved them. I feel like. You were baby. You would be posh.

She was posh. Yeah, or ginger. I wanted to shake it off so bad. Did you listen to the Spice Girls? I did, but I don't know. I can't put their faces with the names. I'm not. This is baby spice.

That was my first concert that I ever went to. I never got to go to one. I loved the Spice Girls. And my mom and my stepdad took me and when they started ripping their clothes off, seeing a song. Oh, shit. I forget what the song was, but it was the one.

Spice Up Your Life. Where they take off their clothes and they had the little fake changing rooms and stuff, and it was just an illusion. It wasn't like they were really naked, but I was so embarrassed. I didn't want my stepdad to be there. It's like watching a sex scene

when you're watching a movie with your parents and a sex scene happens, and you're like, you just want to like slide down the couch and you're like, I wish this didn't happen. Wait, okay. So Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera? Oh, I really like that. That was never, like I don't feel like as kids,

we decided that. I think it was both. Yeah, you did. You decided it. No, I never could decide between them. I liked Christina Aguilera dirty. Like I was all about her. I was always all about Christina and Britney.

Yeah, both. And I always hoped that they were gonna collab and they never did. I'm a genius, I'm Bond. Yep. NSYNC or Backstreet Boys? NSYNC. No, Backstreet Boys.

I mean, oh no. I can't decide. That one I couldn't decide either. Like I knew the Millennium album. This is why you guys are team on. I would just be on my mom's treadmill and like go on it, but I had the NSYNC poster. So it's like, which one was it?

Yeah, because it, yeah. You know, like you can't decide. I feel like you decided. Like you knew. No, I didn't, you don't decide. That's not a decision. You do. Like it's just both.

Did you like more NSYNC songs or Backstreet songs? No, I listened to all of them. Or all. All. But I never listened to like LFO or like 98 degrees. Like those were like. I went to 98 degrees in Bahaman concert. Bahaman?

You did? Who let the dogs out? Oh my God, I love it. Wait, so let me think of another one. 90s themed. Like what could be another question? 90s themed question. Did you have Easy Bake Oven?

Did you ever have one? My kids even have an Easy Bake Oven. They do? They do the recipes and they actually bake the stuff and you actually eat it. Okay. Is it good? Yeah, some of them was.

I mean, I just got rid of their Easy Bake Oven because now they're like not using it, but they totally have them. I had an Easy Bake Oven and I never actually used it because it was like a light bulb that was cooking. Yeah. And it never worked. The brownie and a thing this big.

So aside from your book, your speaking, all of that stuff, do you have any other projects that you're working on and that you want to talk about? So my vision for the world. Which is what? Are you doing a talk show? Peace.

A talk show. Unity. And love. So I am moving towards that and seeing where it takes me. So I definitely want to do something for muscular dystrophy. Okay. And raising awareness and finding a cure. Right.

And then, yeah, I want to. That's amazing. That's so amazing. And I feel like we've talked about this as like a continuing theme on the podcast about us feeling like just like as females getting attacked on social media. Do you feel like that you get attacked on social media

as much as some other people? Or you don't? Or you don't care? And you don't read them? I definitely get attacked, but if I do it's like I'm sarcastic but then I really don't give a fuck. You don't care.

Yeah. Probably that's okay. And I don't feel like it's been as bad lately. Like I read some of Cal's shit and I'm like, damn, I remember when it was like that. Oh, did you get it like that at one point? Yes, dude. I mean, that was called a,

I mean, I was beat like I had three people jump me calling me a team on more. I remember. Like crazy ass shit. Like, yeah. That's horrible. But I don't, it's not as bad. It's not.

That's so wild. People are so crazy. We always talk about like people being mean on social media and it's just something we talk about on the podcast. And I always like to know like, if you feel like you've got it bad or you feel like you're like in cruise control. She's in cruise control right now.

Nervous about this reunion. So after this episode of the podcast, we were going to go to a crystal shop if you want to come with us. I do. Okay. So let's do that. Are you gonna get seats for your crystals?

Like Kale's gonna get for her? I'm not getting seats for crystals. I mean, I get like. It's like somebody sent something to our podcast Instagram that was like this little picture. Like what would you call it? It was like a little like. Meme or something.

Like, and it was, I want to save my money. But then I also went and bought seats for all of my crystals. It's like these little tiny seats with like the little crystals on them. I have so many crystals. I could not get seats for them. Okay, this is a question for you and then we'll be done. Okay.

Would you let Leah or myself go into your crystal room of your house? You could go in the room, but I wouldn't let you touch them. Why? You don't trust me? It's not that. It's just like.

Your energy. Yeah, it's your energy. And like you have to be very careful with who you let around your crystals because you don't want to taint them or like. But is it just me specifically? Or is it like? No, it would be like anyone.

Anyone. Yeah, like don't touch my crystals. Like Lux one time tried to touch my crystals and was like, oh no, baby. I love my kids. I love my kids. No, I do sometimes. Is it like energy transfer?

Yeah, and Lux has his own crystal. And so does Lincoln and Isaac have their own crystal. So it's like, they know I don't touch theirs. So don't come and touch mine, you know? I would maybe like Cal. You would maybe. I would ask. Like if you saw one that was like really, really, really

cool on my altar and you were like, Kale, can I touch this one? I would be like, okay. But if you were just like walking in the room and like touching them all, I would be like, get out. Yes, get out. You've tainted my whole house. Just get the fuck out.

Kale took me to the first crystal shop that I ever went to in Atlanta when we podcasted there a couple of months ago. And she was like telling me all this crazy stuff and trying to educate me on crystals. And she was like, just pick one that speaks to you. And I'm like, how are they supposed to speak to me? Like, I don't know.

Whichever one. Listen to your intuition. Whatever one is like. Are you drawn to this one? Yeah, drawn to. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. Good, so.

Universe, I mean, literally is made up about all these amazing. Energies. Yeah. Okay, well, we're gonna keep you guys updated on this crystal adventure. Kale will probably spend an ungodly amount of money that she probably does not have to be spending on crystals.

That's nobody's business. And we'll let you guys know what each of us individually gets in the crystal shop. So we hope that you guys have enjoyed the episode with Leah. If you guys have not subscribed to us yet, you can do that by searching the purple podcast app on your iPhone, type in coffee combos, click subscribe, click the fit star and leave us a written review.

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