Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 115: Celebrity Secrets, Relationships, and Digging Deeper

Episode Date: July 30, 2020

While Kail is out on maternity leave, Lindsie is joined by her friend Karley Lane, to catch up and discuss what has been on their minds lately. With so much celebrity drama always in the news, sometimes it's hard to remember that they are only human. Sometimes their lives can look pretty similar to everyone else's. As relationships change, how do people navigate the situations that come along with it? Being friends with your spouse after a divorce, co-parenting, and the feelings that come with it. And with so much conflicting information about things these days, how exactly do we decide our own opinions, and make conclusions about what is true? Lindsie and her friend Carly discuss all this and more! This episode was sponsored by:  BetterHelp, Peanut, & Homer Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

Hey guys, welcome to Coffee Combos. This week I have a new co-host, not for like permanent, but obviously Kale's out taking care of having a baby and my co-host is one of my friends who actually used to not be my friend and judged me at the preschool, so I'm gonna let her introduce herself. Hi everyone, I'm Carly Lane. I was not Lindsey's friend. I was just going through a weird time, but when I saw Lindsey's episode on Dr. Phil, I was like, this girl has been in this proximity with me a million times and we've never really

chatted and she needs a friend, so. I did not need a friend, but I was really thrilled whenever you reached out because I was like, wow, like an icebreaker after three years, like we could have been friends for this whole time and what's so weird about it is immediately after we started talking, it's like we never have stopped talking, like we text every day about everything every day. Even things that I probably wouldn't say to like anybody else, like waxing buttholes and like weird stuff. I was just thinking about that the other day, actually we went to the Mexican to eat and

there was like a Brazilian waxing place next door, which kind of made me a little uneasy to go to that Mexican place, but Will was like, oh, do you want to go get waxed there? And I was thinking to myself, okay, is he trying to tell me something or does he just know that like I've talked about this before, right? Have you done it? No, I've never done it, but one, he's definitely trying to tell you something because no man just suggests a wax for five minutes, but we've also like messed around with the idea of like, let's go try and see what it's like and then we'll talk about it and report back,

but I just chicken out every time. Well, okay, so my thing is is less chickening out and more the fact of the OCD kicking in and like not being able to have body hair on me. Like I remember my dad talking to me one time and he was like, I think that you truly have a phobia of body hair and I think that I really might because I can't go, I don't know how many days is like normal to go without shaving, but I can't go two days without shaving. No, no, I can't either just because I have, when you have so much body hair that you like are like every day you have to like manicure some part of your body, like you can't have

a phobia of body hair. I'm so used to it that like, I don't, I like shave my legs like every day, if not every other day, everything else can like wait a few but not more than like three days without attention. Without attention, I can't imagine like not shaving my cat like, every at least two days, like I don't even like there to be like anything there. It's weird. Like, and I also feel like it would be weird to like let it grow out and then you go and

they like rip it off. Right. Like I think that would be weird in itself. And like, what do they think? Like do they think you're a nasty person that it's like grown out? No, probably not. And they say it's like how much do you have to grow out? Like five inches.

No. That's like longer than my hair, right? Yes. Like a, okay, quarter of an inch, wait, if it was that long, you could like braid it. That's weird. Okay. So not five, not five inches, but like, okay, quarter of an inch. I don't think I could get it that long either without just like scalping myself.

Right. But I think that's, that's why we've had, that's why we decided not to do it every time because neither of us are up for the growing out process. And I also feel like when you call and make an appointment to those places, it's always like in advance, right? So you have to like make the appointment and then you have to wait for the appointment. So like, am I just not shaving that whole time? No, you're not.

So that's not fine. I need to know everybody who is listening to this podcast, like do not ignore me when I say this. Go on our Instagram and tell us if you get waxed or if you shave and how often is normal shaving routine because I don't know if I am considered like normal or more of like an anal shaver, but also an anal shaver. Definitely an anal shaver. Oh my gosh.

But I've like been that way since I was like 13, like, yes. But when I talk to people, like I don't think the majority of people are like that. I feel like the majority of people that I know aren't like shave everything bald and like keep up with it. So I think most people like at least keep a little bit and then yes, but if it's like not summertime, they like aren't that worried about it. But my husband would croak if I like showed up in bed and wasn't and had a landing strip. Yeah.

Yeah. Could you imagine? No, he would be like, don't touch me. First of all, we would take pictures from memories. He would be like, what is this? Like, are you? Are you well? Like, oh my God, that is so great.

But I do have this one thing that somebody sent me just a little bit ago that I wanted to read to you because it is absolutely freaking amazing. It was a screenshot and have you followed any of the Will Smith, like Jada Pinkett Smith stuff? Only a little bit. Only what I can stand. Okay. Explain more.

It's just too much. I just can't imagine like my husband and I doing all of that and doing it publicly and just like being so bold about such private events and just like not caring whatsoever. Like what the world is going to say about it. It just like is a different world to me. In your opinion, do you think that they did it like as an outsider looking in that's like not in that type of business? Do you feel like they did it for like to save face or do you feel like they did it

to just be honest like, or do you think it was like, oh wow, somebody said something about them so they need to address it before it gets like further out of hand? I can see that like wanting to address it before the world is just making up its own conclusions about your personal life. I don't know what the motivation would be for two people of that status to feel like they need to like get out in the world and be honest. Like it's their private life who cares what the rest of the world thinks about it. But then again, like that's not my life.

Like I don't live in the spotlight like that. So I feel like I was so exposed like last year the same time that I can definitely relate to like the feeling of wanting to like tell the side of the story of your side of the story and like what you know is the truth and you lived it, you know, so I can definitely see why somebody would be like, okay, I want to like air all of this out because at this point if I don't air it out and I don't get to the nitty gritty of the details, then people are just going to assume and run with whatever. So if you don't say anything, it just left up for assumption.

Yeah. However, somebody deemed me and I don't even know if this is like legitimately Will Smith's Twitter or not, like probably not. And it's probably also not Jaden Smith's Twitter either, but it was a funny screenshot. It says Will Smith tweeted could could be like a total fake account guys. Good morning to everyone except Jada. She can get hers from August. Then Jaden or the account that's playing as Jaden says facts morning to everyone except

my mom. Then Will goes speak to him son like, first of all, if that wasn't real, I wanted it to be real really bad because it was so good. And I just I really live for like the juice, you know, but to me as a consumer, I guess Will Smith has always been like one of the celebrities that I've held in like high regard. Like I feel like I like his good reputation. He like comes across as like a man's man, like good dad. That's how I've always seen him.

And to me, it's just a little disappointing to see him wrapped up in such petty like juvenile drama out in the public eye. Like what you mean like the 50 cent like scream shot 50 was like, what did I do though? Right. But that was funny. Like if they're buddies, that's a funny thing to have happen. It's really funny. And like they're but this guy that like she was messing around with or supposedly was

messing around with or whatever is so young and stuff that I just feel like it drug their whole persona down and to me that's just disappointing to see for like a celebrity who's been around and been held in such high regard for so long. I get it, but I think that that's happened to a lot of other people for two like people like family names that you would know that have been on your TVs for years. Like think about the way that the Bill Cosby thing like all unfolded and would anybody have suspected that maybe somebody who's listening on here would have suspected it. I didn't.

I was completely blindsided by it. However, I don't know. I think that you really just people also don't understand that in this business that it's a lot of times like a persona and what you see might not necessarily be what you get. You do have some people that are few and far between like that are that way. But I think it's few and far between like what you see on TV or what you're seeing on Instagram or what you're seeing on Twitter is likely a facade of how something wants you to think of them.

Right. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. But when you relate to that in your real life, like I feel like a lot of people are like that. Yeah. Yes, like people I follow on Instagram that have no like status at all.

They're all like that. It's all the same thing. I mean, the saying has been around forever that people only post their highlight reel and that's more true now than ever and it just is it's different from like the consumer side that you forget that like these people that you see on TV and see like all over the internet and stuff have drama and stories that are just like yours. Right. Well, like we were talking the other day about how like I've never felt in the months that

we've been friends and spent a lot of time together, I've never felt as though like you and I live different daily lives. There just are some like big fundamental differences like in our personal lives, but it's never been something that has like caused a divide in our friendship. No. I think I think some people don't understand that in this world of whatever we're in like media or whatever you want to call it, that it's like a double-edged sword, right? There are a lot of differences, but then a lot of the stuff is exactly the same.

Like I'm a normal like everyday mom. I feel like Kale's a normal everyday mom. We do all the normal everyday mom things with just the added element of having more eyeballs on us, I guess, or people listening to us on a weekly basis than, you know, what everybody else is experiencing, but it doesn't mean that the situations or circumstances a lot of times might not be exactly the same. Right. I mean, I don't know.

I feel like I relate to like a lot of things that you say. Right. Like as a mom. Yeah, for sure. I mean, one of the things most recently, I know that we talked about it on the last episode a little bit about the school decision and my decision to keep Jackson at home for the first nine weeks, I've actually extended that and Will and I have made the decision together that we are going to at least keep Jackson home until after the election.

So I don't know what that looks like for us. We had a super busy day today and I think that trying to juggle all like the work things and trying to juggle being a mom and knowing that school is about to start and like trying to get supplies and not knowing what, you know, we've got to get and we're less than a week out from school starting and I don't even have Jackson's teacher assignment. We don't have a supply list yet. We did order him a laptop for the peer fact that we all have to have our own laptops because we're all working.

But I know that you were struggling a little bit with it because you're in a co-parenting situation and then you also work. So I mean, I'm sure a lot of the moms that are listening to this can understand from that perspective. What did your county do? So our county is starting two weeks later than yours and that was announced like over a month ago, but then they announced just a couple weeks ago that it's all virtual with like no end in sight.

And for us, like we were, we voted totally go back to school, like please take my son back. Like I can't have him here anymore because both my husband and I work in the service industry in restaurants and so we work like some days, we work a lot of evenings, my husband works super late nights and just having to stick to a school schedule in our home. Like adjustments will have to be made with our work. And then I also share custody with my ex-husband and both he and his new wife work and I don't know what they're supposed to do and how are we all supposed to stay on the same page.

But I have like, I've been a little bit more encouraged because I know we're like one of thousands of families in the exact same position. And my, I have felt better about our situation just because we have the ability to make the adjustments that we need to make. I'm more worried about the kids and the families who don't, whether it's a single mom or it's just low income families who don't have access to all the supplies and the technology that they need or it's parents who send their kids to school because it's free daycare every day and they don't care about their education.

And now all of these kids like we're like raising a generation where a vast majority of the children aren't going to be educated because of the situation. Right. Well, and back to the point of like not having supplies. I know that we got an email from our county saying, you know, if you had picked the digital option that there was a limited amount of laptops and stuff like that. And we just bit the bullet and bought Jackson a laptop because first off, I don't even know that if he would have gotten one because they, I don't know how they assess like who gets

it and who doesn't. Right. But I was just like, you know what, let another kid, you know, get the laptop or whatever and we'll just, we'll get Jackson one. But I do feel bad because he was a lot of questions. It was heartbreaking and very eye opening from the common like most frequently asked questions that came back that they were just like answering and I think they just compiled like the most frequently asked questions and then sent out like this huge thing.

And some of the questions were just so sad. Like what if we want to choose digital but we don't have access to internet or like what if we want to choose digital but we don't have the supplies to like be able to do that? What does that look like? I think it's a very unfair situation that all of us as parents are being put in. It's like, you know, for some reasons parents have to send their kids back to school because of jobs for the schools that are opening like my county. But then there are some parents that are either having to choose their jobs, careers, whatever

or their kids schooling, right? So then what does that look like, you know, in a situation like yours and I'm sure many other people kill being one of them in a co-parenting situation, what if your teaching style is completely different than somebody else that's teaching your child the other half of the time they're teaching style? Like what does that look like? Right. And how do you get on the same page?

Like I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. And then another thing that was interesting was a lot of people sent me messages saying if you're a married household or a couple living together but you disagree on what to do with your child, what does that look like? Do you take it as far as being like, okay, we have to go to court over this because I'm not going to do like, what do you do? Right.

And I'm sure there's a lot of those situations where things are ending up, especially in a co-parenting relationship where like the legality of things is already involved. Like all of the courts, at least around here in the state of Georgia are closed and like nothing's being heard right now. And for anyone who's having any disagreements about education, like you're just out of luck. I know. Like you have to figure it out and someone has to make a decision and you have to stick

by it. But I'm not worried, but I am a little, I'm interested to see how smooth this goes with Ray being taught in two different households, like with me one week and then with his dad the next week. Like what are going to be the things that like, I'm going to have to pick up slack on and then he's going to have to pick up slack on and like, where are we going to have to really, because as of right now, like we work together on like major things, but the day to day because we do 50, 50, like we're really just in charge of our time.

Right. Yeah. And because he's only seven, it's not, there's not like huge, we don't like butt heads on a whole lot of things, but this education, like it's going to force us to work together and for co-parenting relationships that are really bad and like have a lot of tension. I just don't, I have no idea. There's just so many family dynamics that I think are going to be really, really tense because of the way school is.

I mean, I was telling you over the weekend, Carly and I went on Saturday and did what, like over a three mile walk on Saturday morning and we were just talking about all the things and just having like a moment away from the kids and significant others. And I mean, I just feel like everybody is so under pressure, no matter what life phase you're in at this moment. Like I feel like the kids feel it, I feel like we feel it as moms, husbands feel it. I feel like we've been cooped up for so long and I think it's affecting people's mental health that don't even realize it.

You know, like I know for me, I finally was just like, okay, I've got to do something because at one point I was only like getting ready like maybe one time a week and I don't know about you, but for me, if I don't get ready, I don't feel like I'm as productive. Do you feel like that? Yeah, but because I've like I stayed working the whole time, so I had to like at least throw some clothes on and like slap some mascara on to go to work, which helped. But even like, like when Ray is gone, I already have a hard time like getting up out of bed and like getting ready.

And so for days, like just my husband and I are at home and Ray's not with us because there's nothing to do and like it's very hard to stay busy right now. It's depressing. It really is. It's so depressing. And you just don't know like what the right thing to do is, you know, I've had a couple of moms message me and be like, okay, well now that I've heard that you chose digital, I'm second guessing, you know, if I should have chosen the in-person option and now

I'm kind of like locked and committed to this, like we're married to this for nine weeks, whether we like it or not, then parents being concerned that yes, they're sending their kids back to school, but then I've heard parents say, you know, we're sending them back to school, but we're worried about sports. Like what does that look like? So I think just like as far as developmentally developmental areas are concerned with younger children that they're really struggling because all the things that they're used to doing are basically unknowns, like it could change next week.

It could change a hundred times. Like from now until the next nine weeks, I don't know, Will coaches baseball and he was like, you know, from the reports that he saw, we're kind of like in the bracket of the highest cases of COVID. So he said, you know, Jackson will obviously play baseball, but it's a very limited contact sport and there can be social distancing in the dugout. It's just they have to be aware. And I think at this point, everybody's been doing this since March.

So I think everybody knows what social distancing is and they're setting, you know, so they get it more. But Will's like, I'm definitely going to be wearing a mask, like, and I'm a germaphobe. So I don't want like that stuff in my house, you know, I'm like, please, I don't, I text Carly before she came over and I was like, come through the garage and also take off your shoes. Do you wear shoes in the house? Yeah.

I mean, I'm like, I'm good about, I keep a clean house and like I sanitize regularly, but I'm not like a, I wear shoes mostly because we have a dog who sheds and like, I will die if there's dog hair on the bottom of my feet or like on my pants or on my shirt or anywhere else. Like it drives me insane. Well, I'm such a stickler about not wearing shoes in the house. Like I was so stupid, I read all of these studies about like all these tests they did on the bottom of shoes and like how it's got like fecal matter and like all kinds of stuff.

So now I, and it makes me cringe if somebody comes to my house and like wear shoes. I'm like, oh my God. I think I wore shoes last time. Carly did wear shoes the last time she was here, but since like she was just like coming in and hanging out, I didn't really have the heart to be like Carly, take off your shoes. But this time I was like, you're taking your shoes off. We've gotten to that place. We got to that place.

Yes. I love it. I just, I don't know, like life seems so much different now than six months ago last year. I saw this one funny thing that was on Instagram that was like in 2019, we were preparing to go to a concert. We were preparing to like do all of these things that were like social distancing would have been the last thing that would have been thought of. And now it's, you know, all this crazy stipulations, guidelines, whatever.

And I will say Will is like the craziest person ever, but he like thinks about what's it called like herd immunity or whatever. He's like, oh, everybody will get it and then they'll get over with it and whatever. But then he saw or heard some story about somebody who actually had it, had no underlying health conditions and struggled like really bad with it. So now Will is walking around and he's like, everybody just wear a mask. Right. And he's like, we will be safe.

Right. But I've done that like a hundred times too. Like in the very beginning I was paranoid and like, we're all going to get it and we're all going to perish as a whole like the United States is going down. No, please tell everyone that you thought like this was the world ending. I did. I really did. And then.

But go into detail about why you thought it was the world ending. I just felt like you, the first thing that came out and so many stories like went viral of people who like you just said that didn't have any underlying conditions and then they would like post videos of them like on life support and I'm like, that could be any one of us. Like I don't have any underlying health conditions and like, I would feel like such an idiot if I didn't wear masks and gloves and then two weeks from now I'm hooked up to life support. That's why like, I don't care what anyone's opinions or like political opinions are about

COVID. And like, if one of, if you or a loved one got it and ended up it being severe, you would feel like the world's biggest idiot. So like, for sure, wear the mask, wash your hands, get over the virtual learning. Like we just have to do what we have to do because it's just not worth the risk. Because we're not, we're not going to are like one little opinion. Yeah. My one little opinion on coffee combos podcast is not going to change what my county is going

to do. Like that is I want to come on here and like bash my county. Right. First off, I'm just not going to do that. Second off, it's not going to change anything. So I'm going to keep mine in my own business and do whatever I want to do. And then hopefully everybody else will just like be safe. Right.

And like, how bad would you feel if Jackson came home and either he had it or he brought it to you guys and then like one of you had like a really hard time with it? Stop. Right. That's what I'm saying though. I'm freaked out. My shoes are off. My shoes are off.

I didn't bring COVID in. Right. Um, can we talk about how we came to race birthday party the day that I got in the car crash and how you were telling your mom that my text was just so nonchalant? Yeah. So Ray was having like a little teeny tiny birthday party at a pool and a few of his cousins were there. Like my parents came in town.

My husband was there and we were and Lindsey was bringing Jackson and I texted her and I was like, Hey, like I'm going to Chick-fil-A drive through like you'll probably beat me. And then she sent me a screenshot of her GPS and she was already like 20 minutes late. So I was like, Okay, never mind. We'll all wait up front for you. Well then she texts me and said, Got in a car accident. I'll be a little bit late. I was like, Okay, well, like is everyone alive?

Like is everyone okay? Like he just says like, Hey, I'll be a little bit late to your seven year old's birthday party. Like I just got in a car wreck. Well, because I wanted to let you know that I was still committed to the party, but like obviously I was late. Like I don't feel bad if I'm 20 minutes late. That could literally be traffic.

There wasn't traffic, but that's believable and I'm always late. Like to stuff like that, like always like even, well, when we used to go to skies over the boys, I was always on time. You were on time. I was on time. I wasn't ahead of time, but I was on time. But yeah, I always feel like definitely on weekends, I'm like during the week, I'm normally not late, but if it's on the weekends because of sleep being involved, I'm late.

But I just wanted to let you know that I was like still committed to coming and like we were going to be there and I didn't want your son to be disappointed. So I'm like, I'm sorry. It's fucking crap. Well, I almost texted you and was like, Hey, like it's really okay. Don't stress about this little birthday party at the pool. Like you can get your life together and go home, but then you text me and you're like, No, it's fine.

It was my fault. And then, and then I like sent Carly a picture of like this jacked up Jeep and I'm like, Okay, I think I'm getting this Jeep and Carly is like, Wow, you move fast. Like, you're right. I was already out car shopping. I hadn't even taken my car to the place to get fixed yet. Right. And I'm like, I texted her like an hour after she left the party and said, like, what are

you doing or something like that? Something stupid. She just sent me a picture of this like tricked out Jeep Wrangler and I was like, are you seriously car shopping already? Like only you again in an accident and be like, Ooh, I'm going to go get a new car. I'm going to go car shopping. My insurance company called me and the other person's insurance company called me and they told me they both were like, you're so nice and like so honest about being here fall.

And I'm like, yeah, like that's basically what happens. Like when you are the person that hit somebody, you know, you're just like, Oh, you know, I'm bad guy. Sorry. Um, but they were like, Yeah, your story is consistent with like everything that we've heard. So sounds good. Thanks for being so good.

And I'm like, um, I'm sorry for hitting the person that like you haven't shared. Like I'm really apologize for that. And like, what do people normally say? Like why are they? Why were they so shocked that you were so honest? I want to know like what people call insurance companies and say when they get in a car accident, do you like try to lie because like I said in the last podcast, I did not get faulted in the accident.

Um, Kail made a good point and I think that she was absolutely right. But when you get in a car accident, but it's basically like a catch 22, right? I was either going to hit the car in front of me that like stopped for no reason or I'm going to try to get over and avoid it. And then ultimately I hit somebody else. I really was like in a no win situation. So that's probably why the cop didn't fault us or maybe because Jackson was like up his butt, like sitting in his car, like playing with a siren or something.

Kids help. Yeah. So that's why I didn't get faulted, but I mean, I don't know, I just felt like it was my duty. You know, I felt like, you know what? I'm going to put good karma out. Like I'm going to tell them exactly what happened and receive this Jeep in return. I'm going to receive this nice Jeep, this brand new Jeep, like in return.

I'm going to feel so good about myself. I feel so much better about myself. I re-rended somebody like six months ago. I had just dropped Ray off at school, which now seems like a lifetime ago, but I had dropped him off at school and I was pulling. I was like making a right hand turn and I thought the car in front of me had gone and I was like looking the other way and it didn't. And I just like floored it into the back of her and I was in my pajamas.

I was in slippers, like a hoodie. I looked ridiculous. I was just dropping me off at school and going home. Oh my God. But I got out of my car and the only thing I could say was like, I'm so sorry. Like I wasn't looking and I just was an idiot in this moment. And luckily she was so nice. We obviously have very good luck with having nice people, like we hit nice people, which

is very good because I would have been very sad if I would have hit a bad person or like a mean person. I would have ruined my Saturday, but the guy was super nice and he was like, yeah, I've hit like a couple of vans and whatever. And I'm like, okay, first off, did maybe you hit me? Like you have me convinced that I hate you. Maybe this was your fault. Yeah, maybe this was your fault the whole time.

But yeah, that's kind of like my story. I think I told it on the podcast many moons ago. Your car crash story sounds like the one about the lady like backing in, sitting on top of my car. Like, I don't know how that happened. And I just want to know everybody's car crash stories. Like have you been in an accident because that was the first accident that I had been in that was my fault since I was like 17 years old.

The last accident when I was 17 was only like two miles from my house and I will never forget it. Like my dad was wearing cut off pajama shorts, like when I got back home and I was very scared. It was in front of a daycare center and I hit an SUV and I was putting on bronzer. Oh my gosh. And I just ran all in the ass end of this woman's car. You were so 17. I was so 17 at the time.

And then there wasn't a police report because the lady was like, Oh, my car is fine. But like my car was really messed up because it like hit the whole front. You know, it's like all bashed in. But I drove it home and pulled in the driveway and like my dad was waiting in the driveway when I got there. And I'm like, first of all, go inside, second of all, please don't see my car. And third, like, I'm fucked. Right.

He just came out, looked at the car, shook his head and like went back inside. I mean, I guess there's really not much that you can say when you're like in a crash. I was saying something to this effect to somebody else earlier today. And I can't remember who it was of like, old me, like when I say old me, I mean, like last year me, pre COVID free COVID would have been so stressed out and like been freaking out that I hit somebody or I'll like freak out like about little small stuff. But now it's like I dare for somebody to try to find something to bother me. Yes.

Do you feel like this? Yes. Yes. But I honestly feel like that's me. Oh, we all have our reasons I would get to that point, but that's me like post divorce. Now I'm just like, anyone tried to tell me anything about myself and what I'm doing and I will lose my mind. I wonder how many people who listen to coffee, combos, podcasts that are divorced parents.

I think we only have 2% of listeners that are men. So I mean, I don't know. Could be. Could be them. Could be them. But also like how many of y'all are in divorce situations or co-parenting situations because I'm going to bet that it's probably over 51% of people in either divorce or co-parenting situations.

Yeah, for sure. Like I didn't realize, I mean, I was so young, I was 23 when we divorced. So I was 19 when we married, 23 when we divorced. So I was a lot younger than anyone I knew who had like been through that process, but I worked at a hospital at the time. So I had like a million nurse friends and it was so interesting to hear everyone's different parenting setups and why their divorce happened, what their relationships are like with their ex-spouse.

Like it is on, it is a never ending spectrum of what that looks like for different families. Anything that I would be interested in knowing? Oh Lord. I mean, yeah, we could talk for a day and we could talk for days, but I mean I had friends who were best friends with their exes and they shared kids and they were better off divorced than they ever were married and that relationship is better now than it was when they were together. And then. But how do you get to the point of being best friends?

I guess that's like my question. I cannot speak to that because I have no way. I'm not out there. No. Is that like my wildest dream? Absolutely. Like what I love to be in that position for sure, but that is not the reality that I live in.

I just don't know how people get to the point, like you go from being married to someone where you have like that bond, you have like that intimate bond with somebody to going through like the most exposed situation you could ever be in where like they know the deepest, darkest parts of you and now like you go from being spouses to enemies. And I don't know how people get through that part of it and then end up like having like a deep care for each other and like I care about Ray's dad as Ray's dad and like deeply like I want the best for him. I want the best for his family.

I want the best for him and his wife and his relationship with Ray. But anything beyond that, I'm just not sure like how people get there. I just don't know. Well, the most that I have heard in that type of situation to where people can become friends, it seems to me and just the situations that I know that it took a long time to get there and both people like had moved on in their lives. So it's like not fresh. Both people have like have new relationships and it's like something that evolves over

time. But then I've also heard only in one scenario, one person that I know that literally said my husband is my best friend, but nothing more. Like I don't, I can't look at him like that. I don't want to be with him like that and they still co-parent their children basically as best friends. Yeah. And I think about the one scenario that I think that we all probably have watched to

an extent is Courtney Kardashian and Scott. Yeah. Right. And how does that play out? No idea. Because I could, I mean, I won't lie and say that when the news broke that Sophia and Scott had broke up and then there was all of these articles out about with photos of Courtney and Scott with the kids, I will say like deep down, I really wanted it to be something.

Yeah. For sure. It's like, I don't feel like that for everybody, but for that situation, I definitely do. I don't know, I just like like them so much together. Yeah. Me too. I always have like them together, even when they weren't together together. They like, they just know, I mean, from what we can see and what we know from what's put

out there, they just like know how to co-parent and not like have a feud in the process. Which is amazing to me. Right. While we're on the topic of Kardashians, can we talk about how they all follow Larsa Pippin? I don't know anything about this. Okay. So Larsa, I think is good friends with all of them, but I think she's close, was closest

to Kim, but when Kanye started tweeting, he tweeted something about Larsa and then people started going down rabbit holes saying that Larsa had like had some type of sexual relations with Tristan and then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, she is now unfollowed by all of the Kardashians and she posts on her Instagram drama free zone, like a photo. So now I'm like, okay, could there be something to that, don't want to speculate, but also I have gone down the rabbit holes and she has been accused of doing this with multiple people, future being the last one before Tristan. So I mean, do we think this is true or do we think that this is a lie?

I think it's pretty hefty when all of the Kardashians unfollow you. Yeah. There's something behind that. And then Kale and I were talking earlier this week because we talk every day, but we were talking about how Jordan Woods, like how that whole situation played out and it played out so publicly and so vicious and then the whole Larsa thing is like undercover. So like, are they going to address it or are they not and is Larsa maybe in a better position than what Jordan was because maybe she's like more experienced in life and maybe they didn't

want to like bring on a feud with Larsa or is it people didn't want, I'm saying people because I don't know, didn't want people to know about the Tristan allegations since it has been so bad, like now he and Khloe are supposedly like making it work and they're back together. So is it kind of like water under the bridge now at this point? But what Kanye tweeted was just like Larsa with like a looking face. So it's like, okay, obviously Kanye knows like a lot of information that we all need to know.

Right. But I don't know. I'm just like, if you go after one, you should go after all. Like if somebody comes after your man, like, I feel like you're down to be able to do whatever you want to do, like anything. You also have like been vicious before that I feel like if there was, I don't know, it's hard to say because you just don't know the truth, but like if there was truth to it, like I would be terrified to go up against the Kardashian family.

Like that is not a people group that I would challenge or step foot near any of their men. So because things have played out so viciously before, I feel like if she had truth to it, like she would just be being so savage towards Larsa, but maybe it's all being overshadowed by everything else we have going on. Well, I think what did you say that we were going to report on the podcast 54 minutes ago? It was reported that Kim Kardashian was in Wyoming and she also wasn't wearing her wedding ring.

Yes. Was that what? Yes. I'm like, she went to go see him and they were photographed in a Wendy's parking lot having a conversation in the car and she was not wearing her wedding band. I hope they were having frosties though, at least. I mean frosties and fries. You can't talk about marital issues if you're not enjoying a treat.

True. Exactly. But he did apologize to Kim publicly. He said, I would like to apologize to my wife Kim for going public with something that was a private matter. I did not cover her like she has covered me to Kim, I want to say, I know I hurt you. Please forgive me. Thank you for always being there for me.

And then there were so many people that were going out there making memes about this nonsense and saying, you know, it was memes of Kim like texting on the phone, like she was typing, like it was Kim on his Twitter doing this and people speculating that like she made him do this but I mean could be some truth to that, could be maybe the legal team spying the Kardashians that could have made him do that, could have been his attorney that made him do that. Anything could really be happening or it could just be the fact that he knows that now that he's maybe reeling it back in like from being in that manic state that he realizes now what

happened was taken way too far. And when you go and divulge things like that private matters about someone that you're supposed to love like more than anything in the world other than your children, that's really hitting below the belt. And I've tried to think of all scenarios with the situation of him talking about them contemplating abortion with North and I've thought maybe in a weird twisted way was he trying to be relatable and then like going into a story that was inappropriate and then it just like got out of hand or was it literally pre-planned or was it truly just a manic thing where he

was just lashing out. Or did he just have like a severe lapse in judgment where he's done that before publicly like gotten on stage and put his foot in his mouth. Like this is not a new action from Kanye West. Like people are used to seeing him act this way. It just is the fact that he divulged something so personable or personal about like one of the biggest celebrities in the world and it happens to be his wife that happens to be his wife.

Yeah. And there's just like a level of privacy that but you have to think from the flip side. But there's probably a lot of A-list celebrities that would be championing something like that and they would love to share their story about being in that position and like having that debate between them and their spouse and not knowing what to do and it really has been interesting to watch how that's all unfolded and like what they have explained has like been Kanye's issue like that it is a mental health issue and all of that when on the flip side like there's a lot of people who would do what he did and they would be they'd be

getting on stage and telling that story as a way of like encouragement and like a way of eye-opening the American people that like they dealt with this personal issue. And so that's I put a lot of thought into it like over the past couple of days since I talked about on the podcast last time and I've tried to play like all scenarios of you know could this have been maybe a situation of where he really wanted to grab America and be like you know we've been there yeah you know like was it that type of situation or was it truly just like a manic mental health situation that he was in that that kind of was like the tipping point yeah and you know maybe so and then you told me that Kim was

spotted not wearing her ring so I mean could she have forgotten it at home like maybe right could she be filing for divorce maybe could she be pissed off and not wearing it sounds legitimate right I mean all of those things and then that got me into the thoughts of talking about it on the podcast of how many people feel like a wedding ring is a commitment I know Kayl and I've kind of briefly discussed this before but I truly don't feel any more committed if I was wearing it or if I wasn't like I don't feel like that's gonna that's not like the like the defining the defining thing that's gonna be like I am in a committed marriage right I'm wearing a ring see I don't feel that way either about myself like I'll

wear them like I have them on now I'll wear them when I remember them or if I'm like getting dressed up in any sort of way I'll like slip them on but I don't sleep in them but like I don't it doesn't mean they don't mean I mean they're beautiful but they don't mean anything to me as far as commitment goes but like if Ethan doesn't have his on then like he's sleeping on the couch we're fighting about it yeah like I don't it's like a shameless double standard for me yeah I don't know I think it's because you you know yourself right so it's like okay I know that just because I'm not wearing that or I forgot my silicone band or like my wedding ring like on the counter it could be truly legitimate and for a long

time after I had Jackson my wedding ring is raised so it would scratch him right so then I started wearing the silicone bands and then I don't wear jewelry to bed so then I just like take it all off and unless I was getting ready I wouldn't put anything on so it was more something like that but that to me wasn't even though I have had marriage problems wasn't an indicator of like oh they must be going through the sugar because Lindsay's not wearing a ring in public right now but when talking about Kim Kardashian and Kanye West and where they're at right now and they know they have eyes on them at all times I can't help but think it was intentional that she's not wearing her huge diamond wedding ring where she knows

she's being photographed and they know they're having marital problems like to me that seems like she wouldn't wake up and forget it this is all very true and I will say that if I had a ring like that looked like Kim's 100% I would also wear it like sleeping swimming I wear it on my forehead I would wear it around my neck like for real I put the diamond in my hair like everyone would see it everybody would know that I had it you know it would be like a what is it like a shameless plug oh 100% like of course I would do that but yeah no I agree that with the circumstance that you know it's a little fishy right like just just a little bit um I didn't want to get your take on the Wayfair thing because

we've been talking about it on the podcast and Kale believes that and and very valid that if something starts on Reddit that there's been lots of rumors that have started about her on Reddit that have been that are provably untrue right so she tends to believe show me the proof before I'm going to believe I'm not going to just believe in accusation right which that's fair that's very valid however I will say that I think that the child sex trafficking um the child sex trafficking crisis that we all have kind of been our eyes have been open to even more because of this I think that there's it's very deep and I think it's way deeper than any of us know and as much as Kale doesn't believe the stuff about Wayfair

and I've stated that you know I think that there's some validity to it I don't know since I have done more research Wayfair is a company that allows third party um what do you call it like stores or third party like sellers sellers to list things on their site so could it be true that you know they were using Wayfair's website and it actually be a third party could be true I don't know but what I will say is I think that when stuff like this comes out I think it is best to do a proper investigation and say you know as bad as it is to say guilty until proven innocent because these are very heinous allegations and I mean stuff like that happens I think way more than what any of us even realized because we're not affected

by it on a daily basis then you know it's easy to be like okay you know I live in the suburbs like right this doesn't happen and it probably doesn't you know well it's easy to remember it when you read something about it like when the Wayfair thing first came out it was all you could see everyone was posting about it all the articles were talking about it now it's like you have to go and search for it and so it's not on the forefront of people's minds but I anything that involves like a sexual allegation especially especially when it involves like an underage child I am always prone to believe that people are guilty because I agree that things are way deeper and darker and more common than we even know and because

those things are so easily accessed and easily gotten away with at least for a short time it's everywhere like I know people and have interacted with people in the last five years in my life who I had no idea they had these deep dark secrets and now one of them is sitting in jail because he was meeting up with a 13 year old girl to have sex like and he went to our church like I had no I like no clue and it was in our backyard I mean they were like they live five minutes from us and so that stuff happens all the time so when way when Wayfair the first article I read I immediately deleted my Wayfair app emptied my cart deleted my profile on there like took all my information off there because I thought like not that anyone

would tie me to anything like this but I was like I don't want you I only want to be associated with buying anything from this place but since then like I still believe with this stuff like guilty until proven innocent like you do there's such incredibly heinous accusations that there has to be a proper investigation because if a if an investigation ends up saying what saving one child's life like it's worth it but I also have a hard time believing that if it was just a third party who like got in and was doing this why is a company as huge as Wayfair so easily infiltrated by something so dark like that is worrisome alright guys I just want to take a quick second to talk about one of our newest partners Homer

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Homer for yourself you can just visit learnwithhomer.com slash combos to start a free 60 day trial and you guys will absolutely not be disappointed and I can't wait for you to be able to tell me how much your child loves it as much as mine and what was also worrisome to me was the amount of messages I got from employees people employed by Wayfair that stated that there was like something called like presidential accounts or something like that where it was a whole different side of the company that ran those accounts and they weren't mainstream so just like a regular customer service rep or whatever like couldn't get into those accounts and those were like for accounts that purchased higher ticketed items and so to me I'm like

all of these things that I keep hearing add up and you know it could be nothing but also I think it's definitely worth the investigation and I feel like if these are the allegations why one has it become so hard for it to be discoverable on the internet right they have been able to somehow hide so many articles on Google you have to dig so deep to be able to get links even on YouTube to to see videos that people are you know saying go and watch this video go watch this video videos deleted accounts on Twitter deleted from talking about conspiracy theories of you know who could have been involved you know saying all of these names like the Clintons the you know whatever the Chrissy Teigen thing did you

see all of that like unfold about how she supposedly deleted thousands of tweets that were skeptical and how she's you know gone on and started like kind of mocking it and it's not funny like I don't think it's something that should be made into a joke if she's innocent then she's innocent that's fine I don't know how anybody proved that she deleted a thousand tweets the crazy thing is too is I will side with kale on this is that there's so many apps out there that people can literally make something look like whatever they want to so if somebody is tech savvy enough that could go on there like maybe get her like verified name and stuff and like attach it to a tweet that she might not have tweeted right could that have

been happening sure the amount of people that were on the flight logs to go to Epstein's Island like yes all of this stuff unfolding and I'm just like why is all of this happening 2020 will literally be a year that goes down in history for like the most heinous year of our lives like like where do you even start I don't know describe the drama of 2020 like if you were talking to your grandkids like how would you be like in the year 2020 we had something called COVID-19 yeah which is just scratching the surface of like what has happened in 2020 I mean it's the biggest thing for sure but like it's just scary to me that I've gotten to the point now whether it is talking about COVID-19 or it's talking about

the upcoming election or the Jeffrey Epstein stuff or even Kanye and Kim like all of that I have a hard time believing anything that's put in front of me like don't show me numbers because I don't believe that they're true from any news source like I don't everything is so skewed and everything has gotten so political that like I don't know I'm like the classic person that in 2020 I started 2020 like feeling one way about things then I got wishy washy in the middle and now I feel differently about some things and now I have no idea how to feel about some things like I don't know I know I've done like a very big year of soul searching which I feel like the majority of people probably have because everything we

like knew to be true we like don't know if it's true or not anymore but like there are things that I used to be so convicted about that I've been questioning and then there's things that I used to not care about that now I'm like extremely passionate about because like my I feel like my eyes have been open to certain things that was never out there before but when it comes to like the drama of 2020 I just don't know who to believe like about anything I think for the whole year it's like been so eye-opening to realize that you truly if you allow your mind to be manipulated by everything that you hear and you don't think for yourself and you don't critically think you can really like get in like a demented

place yeah sure like and there's so much untruth and so like depending on what news channel you're listening to it could be totally different stories that you're hearing about the exact same thing and the facts that are presented are so totally different numbers are totally different from one news outlet to the next it's like numbers are only good as you want them to be right like as good as the person that's reporting them wants them to be and a lot of the stuff about the media is just truly for shock factor right you know we're going to scare the shit out of these people because it sounds like a fun thing to do right and it's working people are scared people are very scared Facebook about to delete Twitter

like totally Kale got that right like she said that's been so good for her mental health yeah Twitter just because I feel like all the trolls live on Twitter yeah for sure have trolls on Instagram like you've seen trolls on my page but the majority of trolls I feel like live on Twitter and I don't know why they choose that app maybe it's just because it's not like picture related it's like you can just type whatever they want to and be a little keyboard Cowboys and be like yeah you know right there's also like very few rules on Twitter right you can say anything yeah and I'm like how is how are these apps that's another question how are these apps that we are all visiting every single day

Twitter Instagram Facebook Reddit how are those apps truly good for our mental health unless you're putting a positive foot forward to try to be like a positive person in life and spread positivity and truth and relatable things to other people what is really the purpose of them because I feel like when I get on when I get on Twitter it's people just talking bad about people right when you get on Facebook it's all these articles talking about how all these people died heinous crimes whatever Instagram you do have you know trolls and stuff like that but I don't think maybe just for me it's not as much but I'm sure they're yeah a lot of people there's just more like I mean there's definitely like

grow test content on Instagram too but there's more like wholesome and uplifting content on Instagram than I feel like any one of those other outlets and I'm just like I wonder what I kind of want to do like a 30 day test of would life look different if we deleted like Twitter Facebook Instagram like what would what would life look like yeah well that's what like me and my husband have been talking about for the last several months like at some point I feel like what the media wants is they want every American to like where the weight of the world on their shoulders right now like they want you to feel you put a personally feel responsible for everything that's happening in the world that's negative

right now and while I am passionate about like the social issues that are going on and I 100% do my part to support the things that I believe in and speak out against the things that I think are wrong at some point I feel like as wives and moms especially you have to like strip it down and like look at your daily life like what can you do inside your home with the people you love to like make the world a better place and start there because if your whole focus is on I need to fix all of these world problems and we need to be out there like championing all these world problems which I believe if that's what you're passionate about you should but like if you are not addressing your home life

and your personal mental health and your kids personal mental health and the health of your marriage first and like you're not doing your part right like it has to start at your home and in your circle and like get those relationships healthy and on the right track and then like worry about the rest because I can truly say when I started looking into the Glaine Maxwell stuff which I do want to just briefly mention that I think it was released in the media earlier or later last week that the young lady that's testifying in the case that Glaine Maxwell's sexual life would be disclosed like to the public so all of that information and documents and whatever I don't know what type of documents they could possibly have

but I'm just saying like I know that those documents and stuff are being opened up and I'm so incredibly proud of the system where she is being prosecuted because I think that they are literally like balls to the walls like you will pay for what you have done and I just pray that she stays alive to have to live it out right and I pray that we are able to watch it all unfold not for the drama aspect of it but for us to really be able to see how deep that situation went for all of us to be able to open our eyes and be like wow that was way deeper than what I thought because it's always bigger than what you think yeah when you see something it's literally like scratching the surface but where I was going

with that was when all of this stuff started unfolding after her arrest and the wayfair stuff I literally went into a hibernation mode where I was obsessed with researching and finding out more information that I almost feel like I was neglecting Will like I wasn't spending any time with him because I was so invested on finding out like are these creeps like really like this demented like is it really like this deep and I think sometimes like as much as you want to get the information and you want to have answers and you want to help like you can do your part but you also can't neglect like your home life your mental health right and I've been seeing people attacking other influencers that I have seen

like more recently about you know well you talk about this issue but you didn't cover this one and it's like well you know what maybe they covered it in their story that deleted like and you didn't see it within the 24 hours like that's a very big possibility or maybe you know they just feel more comfortable talking about certain things and other things and that's okay like there's a place for all of us like to have a voice and a place for all of us to speak out and to be able to feel like we're doing our part but this whole child sex trafficking thing like I it's caused me to lose sleep like right literally lose sleep but I feel like if like you're not someone who is against child sex trafficking and you're

not passionate about it like something's wrong with you like we should all that is something that every single person should be passionate about and should feel very comfortable speaking out against but one of the major things that's frustrated me on social media the last several months has been these blanket statements that like if you say this that means this about you if you don't post about this that means this about you and I just hate how everything has gotten so like all inclusive where like I don't I don't feel like it's appropriate for someone to tell me how I feel about a certain social issue because it hasn't been all over my Instagram the last three months when I feel the exact same as you do you know

I just haven't my focus has been more inward in my family and teaching my son right from wrong not that these these people aren't but just because it's not all over my Instagram page there's a whole lot of stuff that goes on in my life and in your life and in Cale's life that you don't post on your Instagram right it's a highlight reel exactly what you're comfortable sharing and what sometimes you don't even have time to get on Instagram like today I've been up working for 12 hours right it's like I haven't if I visited the Instagram app it's literally to like click on it but like I didn't really even look at anything on there and it's not because I'm not passionate about something or I don't care about something

but I might be having this conversation in my real life right I might be talking to Carly about them on a Saturday wall it could be as simple as that you know I just I do think that things have gotten so judgmental and people think that unless you post it then you know it it's not real or it didn't happen or I just hate the word like we should post about it we should post or we should your whole life should not have to be a post on Instagram or it should not have to be a post on Facebook or whatever it's like if you're taking care of the people that you surround yourself with in your daily life and you're making your position be known there that is what is most important right and before Instagram

and Facebook and Twitter that's how you made a difference like you raised your kids to view everyone the same to treat everyone the same to like be a person who loves people which is I know that's what both of us are teaching our kids and just because that's not being shared on media and obviously like I'm I don't get attacked on my social media for things like that but I've just seen so many posts where it's like I can't believe so and so shared all of these things about this movement and two weeks later like she still hasn't shared it again and it's like who are we to judge these people what they're sharing and not sharing and maybe they are I mean I'm sure there's plenty of people like

dare I say that share those things on their Instagram but they're having the exact opposite conversations in their personal life preach but yeah I just I don't know I think that we should just like be much less judgmental and like more like focused on if you think somebody's like wayward and like isn't thinking logically or like doing the wrong things then you know that's when I think it's most important for you to you know let your voice be known and be like okay you know what how you handle that or what you said like wasn't right and I think that's where you make the change I think unless you're being intentional in your own personal life then a post is a post your post doesn't matter your post does not

matter right unless you're actually practicing that in your real life and so I don't know it's so social media so attacking and it's just like you know like chill out well we've talked so much recently about how there's just so much pressure like when you are a wife and a mom specifically it's like you're expected to wear all of these different hats and right now all of those things are magnified because we can't go anywhere we can't do anything with our kids they can't even go to school like there's all of these different things are you teaching them to wear a mask are you teaching them not to wear a mask like are you teaching them about all these social movements are you not teaching them like are you teaching

them about how to treat people are you not like and then you're expected to cook and clean and look a certain way and talk a certain way and act a certain way and be this way with your spouse and be this way at work and I posted something on my Instagram a few weeks ago that said working moms are expected to work like they don't have kids and raise kids as if they don't work and I've like never related to something more than that post. I think that Kael and I have seen that before on Instagram because I think we've talked about it but I think that you hit the nail on the head with the fact that I mean I know personally for me I'll just speak from experience and not for anybody else but I always feel

like okay if I don't get up and put myself together it's like I cooked dinner and I made sure that like our child had everything that he needed and made sure that he got all the places that he needed to go and you know made sure that we had groceries in the refrigerator and I made sure that you know everything was done laundry was done and the house is clean and then it's like you look and you're like oh wow I didn't put myself together today. Right so I feel like a failure. I feel like a failure it's like all of these things and it's like you know what at this point yeah I do feel better when I put myself together but some days like it's just not

realistic I have too much on my plate to to like even have the capacity to think about a freaking blender brush like or whatever you call it right blender ball whatever you know it's like I'm not putting on a freaking foundation right I don't I don't have the time or the energy to do it and I think that so many moms that are listening to this probably feel the exact same way and I love getting the messages of moms being like thank you so much for saying it because you know people I didn't realize that people also understood or like people that are in your position also understand like yes I understand I'm with you but I feel pain I definitely feel the pain and it makes me sometimes like cringe

knowing all the things that I didn't get to for the day you know it's like a long list when I go to bed I'm like oh wow like I really didn't accomplish a lot or you'll accomplish everything that's on your list but then you'll go to bed and be like man like Ray asked me to sit and watch that movie with him and I told him no so I had cleaned the kitchen like now I'm a failure because I didn't do my part as a mom like I feel that all the time like Ray because he's an only child and I'm sure he experienced the same with Jackson he's constantly asking me to do things with him and like sometimes I need to clean the kitchen sometimes I need to go take a shower but I've tried in the last few months especially because

he's home all the time to be more intentional that when he's asking me to sit with him like to do it nothing's more important than that like the dog hair on my floor can wait until this movie's over but if I don't do it if I tell him no all day like I go to bed and can't sleep because I have like denied him all day long attention and now he's in his bed sleeping by himself and like I emotionally can't handle it oh my gosh you're gonna make me break down because this happened to me actually the other night last night actually I told Jackson I was like you know what Jackson it was after nine o'clock and it was after his bedtime and I was like I know that I've been so busy and I haven't been able to spend

a ton of time with you today but I promise that I'm gonna spend time with you tomorrow and I'm gonna spend time with you on Tuesday I'm gonna spend time with you on Wednesday but mommy just needs like five minutes to myself I'm lying in my bed I'm reading some articles I'm about to open my book and I just want to like be by myself and then I caught myself at like 12 o'clock bawling my eyes out like going into his room because I'm like that's time that you don't get back right like those are moments that you don't get back and then you go in their room and they're so peacefully sleeping and it's like I know little angels yeah so I just sat there for like 10 minutes and like kissed him and prayed

over him and I was like oh wow like I hope that he doesn't think I'm shitty yeah like which you know he doesn't like and I always know like the next day I'll wake up and raise all over me again as if the day before didn't it's just mom guilt like it really is it's the worst like it really is you're experiencing mom guilt please call in let us know I'm gonna I know that was supposed to get the listener messages this week but Jackson wanted to be on the podcast and I just did not have the mental capacity to record with him so he is going to do like a little brief segment next week and then next week is going to be a week of just answering all listener questions that you have especially for the ones that I can't

answer like for certain ones I'm not going to speak for kill but then on ones that are directed to me or they're just very generic I will give my opinion on those but we have actually gone over time this week and I hope that you guys have enjoyed the episode and enjoyed our rambling and just be saying prayers for kale and her new little addition and if you guys have not felt followed us on at coffee combos podcast on Instagram make sure you follow us over there for all updates for anything episode related or anything going on with the podcast and then if you have not subscribed to us on iTunes you can do that by searching the purple podcast app on your iPhone type in coffee combos click subscribe and click

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