Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 117: Kail Returns, Birth Story, and Baby Updates

Episode Date: August 13, 2020

Lindsie and Kail are reunited this week as Kail returns from her maternity leave, and they have so much to catch up on! First, Kail tells Lindsie all the details about the birth of her 4th baby, and finally reveals what all those supplies in her birthing kit were for. There's a lot of great advice Kail's midwife gave her about postpartum recovery, and she shares it with all you Coffee Convos listeners. And Kail tells Lindsie how she finally settled on her baby's name, on this week's episode of Coffee Convos. This episode was sponsored by: KiwiCo, Skillshare, & TheraOne Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

guys I'm back welcome to coffee combos Lindsay I'm so excited to be back I'm so glad I don't have to do that anymore I hate doing intro I'm sorry that's like my favorite part I know and then when I try to do it by myself I felt like I needed to do retakes because I was like wait what am I doing well did you put the bloopers in the episode I wish I did that would have been really funny that would have been good that would be that's why we need to somehow figure out how to do video because it would be so funny to like see each other's like facial expressions when we talk about shit and like when we fuck up and

sometimes I stumble over my own words like to have bloopers in our podcasting shit it would be so good and I mean the amount of times that we mess up on stuff and like missay or mispronounce something it would be nothing but bloopers like the time I said indicted instead of indicted I could not believe that I really I whatever I'm happy to be back I don't know I think I just never realized how indicted was spelled like I truly was like indicted and I it didn't even sound right when I was reading it because I remember reading something and I said indicted and I knew it didn't sound right wait me a bad person that I

didn't tell you that you were saying it wrong did you know I was saying it wrong yeah yeah it makes you a bad person oh my god next time fucking correct me I was just like oh well I know what she's trying to say so like it's fine you know yeah but not in front of like thousands of people who listen to our podcast I hope these people aren't trolls they're trolls I'm just kidding they don't I got chewed out on Twitter for it so I was like you know what fuck this but it's funny now looking back I'm dead on first of all can we talk about how you're not pregnant anymore listen I thought that I loved being pregnant and

then I am 28 now and I didn't love this whole experience you guys know I went through hell in the beginning and I just like didn't know if I wanted to keep the baby if I was gonna love like I was just a lot it was so much and then I started to like it a little bit and then towards the end I was in so much pain I was so uncomfortable and I was overdue I think truly my due date was off I'm gonna say that I think it was off too yeah because my I just but then again me I don't know because babies come when they want I hate when people are like oh my baby came two weeks early no your baby didn't come two weeks early

literally a due date is a window of time between 37 and 42 weeks your baby did not come two weeks early your baby came right the fuck on time so probably the same situation happened for me because I was pushing 41 weeks so it was probably just my due date was just slightly off but I feel so good to not be pregnant wait so can you tell me because you told me that you weren't gonna tell me anything about the delivery process or anything like that until we got on the podcast so that you get my actual reaction so yes okay so yeah and that I want I just wanted a genuine reaction because I feel like if we would have

talked about it would have been just like after we already talked about it so basically went into labor around like 5 30 in the morning I woke up like literally my eyes like opened all the way up and we're like oh my god I'm in pain my contractions were like tenish minutes apart and I didn't want to panic right away and think okay I'm definitely in labor so like I just kind of laid in bed for like two hours Lux was asleep so I was just chilling and then like two hours go by and there's still contractions ten minutes apart so at that point I texted my friend Natalie who was still asleep and I was like hey

you know I don't want you to panic but my contractions are about ten minutes apart she didn't even text back because she wasn't awake and then I ended up calling Chris and saying that well actually he didn't answer so never mind so he didn't answer I was gonna say I wanted I told him I was in labor but he didn't answer he did call back and I told him but they were ten minutes apart for like seven hours from like 5 30 all the way up until like one ish they were ten minutes apart so then I was like hitting a wall I was like okay they're getting stronger but they're not really closer together so I was like we need to

pack up the car I'm gonna go to the hospital like I want to get an epidural like my whole entire plan changed as soon as I hit that wall I was like I can't do this. Well wait we talked about this you were like if this was like days before that we talked about it before you actually had him that you were like okay if I don't have him tomorrow then I'm going to get an epidural and I'm like whoa things just like really took a left turn. I don't know why I don't know why I felt like that and I felt like that when I was in labor like I don't even I don't know and then I hit a wall and I was like okay we got to pack the car up

so as soon as the car got packed up and turned on and my friend Natalie came inside and Chris came inside and my friend Natalie's son Kaden was here. Mind you I'm holding Lux while I'm in labor on this fucking laboring ball and I yes and I looked at Kaden and I said mind you Kaden's 15 like I felt so bad the whole time I'm like poor Kaden like I'm in my sports bra and underwear and I'm laboring and he's probably gonna be scarred for life. I'm like I look at Kaden I said Kaden I'm not gonna make it to the hospital because you know as I told you guys before one hospital is 35 minutes away and one minute one hospital

is 45 minutes away. However by time you park get out of the car and get into a room I mean you're looking at like 50 minutes you know what I mean so I looked at Kaden I said I'm not gonna make it and he's like do you want me to go tell them and I said yes so Natalie comes inside and she's like do we need you do we need to get you upstairs and I said yeah I need to go upstairs so I get upstairs I get I labor in the baby's room for like a few minutes and then I was like you needed to call Karen which is my midwife she literally wondering where Karen was this whole time I didn't know because like when you're in labor

for to go to the hospital you don't leave for the hospital until you're five minutes apart your contractions are five minutes apart so I'm thinking it's the same for a midwife well no I was wrong because my midwife goes to Baltimore and Philly for other appointments and so apparently you're supposed to tell a midwife when you go into labor to begin with so I'm like oh fuck so Karen like him Philly right like could you imagine but she literally lives 10 minutes down the road thank God she was in like for an office day because Natalie tells Karen that you know they're five minutes apart and Karen's like well what's the pain

level and like she had no idea I had been in labor all day and I'm like they're about a nine and they're five minutes four five minutes apart and she's like oh my god I'm on my way and I am shitting you not it is a 215 at this point I get into my bed Karen shows up and I gave birth 30 minutes later so I mean I labored in my house all fucking day there was two kind of scary moments when I was giving birth because I was like yeah I got in the bed Natalie and Chris put like a shower curtain over my bed I can't wait to tell you what some of these supplies were for oh my god one of the birth kit supplies was a shower

curtain and I kind of knew like okay maybe this will go on the bed if I decide to birth on a bed basically it was gonna go wherever I was birthing so it's like a quick cleanup and so it went on the bed and then the honey well let me tell you about the birth so the birth was nowhere near as quick or as just like great as Lux's birth Lux was two pushes and he was out this baby I was picturing maybe like a seven-ish seven and a half-ish pound baby no I pushed a nine-pound baby out of my cat and when I tell you like the cat was hissing it was so it was so bad I literally was like the ring of fire lasted like fucking 20

minutes and I swear to God it didn't even take me 20 minutes to get him out like it was so bad I don't even know I could push once and like he came out like halfway to like his nose and then my midwife was like Natalie how long has it been because I guess they can only sit there for so long before you have to push again the difference between a hospital birth and a home birth is like a home birth everything is on your own terms so like when you feel the urge to push you push in a hospital they're like don't push don't push or they tell you to push and you don't have to do you know what I mean yeah so but they can

only really sit in your birth canal for so long so my midwife is asking now to Lee like what the timing was because I needed to push to get the rest of his head out and I guess which is pretty common for the cord to be wrapped a little bit but not sitting in the birth canal so we needed to get him out and then whatever he came out not breathing and as soon like I want to say close to a minute she starts she was about to start giving him some breaths he started to breathe on his own so that was a little bit scary because I'm looking at Chris and Chris is looking at the baby and I'm like why isn't he crying like so

scared but then you know he starts crying and he's breathing and everything is great and you know it was just so crazy like you don't have the same piece of mind for a home birth as you do in a hospital when it comes to the baby because you don't have a pediatrician that's making their rounds to check on the baby does that make sense yes it does make total sense so that was a little bit scary I would say but overall I would say that the home birth experience was definitely something that I will cherish forever like I got to do everything on my own like what my body was telling me to do and what I wanted to

do and how I wanted to do it we're like in a hospital you're connected to a bed and you don't really know what's going in your IV unless they say something and they usually don't even say anything so I just think like all of that the chaos of being attached to the bed and having everything hooked up you can deny an IV if you want in the hospital and I think a lot of people don't know that like you don't need all that stuff but we live in a country where you know everything is so liability based like every single thing that we do is a liability so in a hospital they have to do those things but they're also not telling you what

they're doing you know what I mean they're not saying unless you ask I didn't yeah I didn't know when I had Isaac until I watched 16 and pregnant and they're literally putting on the screen Potosin and then says what it is I didn't know they were doing that I didn't know what Potosin was for whenever I was pregnant with Isaac and giving birth you know what I mean so like that stuff is they're not telling us but I don't know it's just like a weird thing but one thing that I found super interesting about doing a home birth and having a midwife put so much emphasis on taking care of your body after birth like

America is truly the only country that it's a competition to see which mom hits the ground running the fastest after birth and that part you know when you really listen to a midwife and like what they have to say we're the only country that has a pelvic wing in the hospital for you know prolapses and all kinds of other shit and complications after birth because the moms do not take care of their bodies after birth like my midwife didn't even want me using the stairs for two weeks because she said that is so hard on your body and I was like wow that's so interesting because in America you just it's how fast you can

get back to work and how fast you're out in public and how fast you're doing play dates and like I've really taken the time for the past week and a half to like truly take it easy I know well I actually was seeing this on Instagram about a couple of the girls that I follow that are bloggers one of the moms who is just like I feel like I can't get it together and I always feel like I look like a slob in an oversized t-shirt and like biker shorts or Nike shorts and then I see all these moms on social media and it's like they're to the nines and their babies are always dressed and like everything's so happy and it truly is

like it's a race to see you know who can be the best and who can get back to normal life yep the fastest yeah and it's like why why do we why I don't know because I'm 28 years old and I don't want to have a prolapse at 35 or you know have to be repaired at you know 40 because I didn't take care of my body after childbirth like and I understand like I understand that a lot of moms they want to have a baby and they don't have the resources to help them those two weeks after birth but any little bit of rest that you can get those initially said my midwife said that the first two weeks are the most crucial like those

two weeks you want to just try to rest as much as possible I know she was saying that she takes care of a lot of Amish parents a lot of Amish mothers and the the ones that she takes care of they don't do anything for six weeks after birth they don't even change the baby someone else changes the baby and does all the housework because the mom is to rest because you know they live such a hard-working life that after those six weeks is up they have to hit the ground running you know what I mean so she was saying all that and I was like that makes so much sense like it makes so much sense well I'm laughing the last

time we were recording it was your weeder now it's your lawnmower do you hear it it's gonna go away I promise I didn't even know he was coming normally they text me and the last I don't know if it's cuz I've had the baby they feel like they don't want to bother me yeah yeah but they also don't know what else I have going on so I'm gonna text him when I leave when I get off here and I'm gonna say hey next week just let me know just let me know when you're coming so I don't podcast at that time we're gonna be whacking the weeds but no I I think that's amazing that they do six weeks and I think for a second baby I think I

would be super selfish with my time yes and just be like you know I might not want visitors and I might yeah not want to get ready like I think that they're such an importance and I think you and I briefly talked about this a little bit of just being able to like get up and shower and put on some like normal clothes to feel a sense of of normalcy and just like clean but as far as just the doing and the constant need to like compete against yourself almost is insane and I I would do so many things different the second time around and I know you're on your fourth so it's like you probably changed four different

times like your your plans have changed completely and I think maybe is like a second time period when I envision it I'm like I think I would be way more lax and do things so much differently I'm just I have my friend Natalie has been here helping me literally like day in and day out I just I can't even tell you how much help she's been to me just like with me being able to rest and I know some people were giving me a little bit of backlash because I had lux here and I didn't have the older boys but one the kids have the older kids were with their dad so you know I I felt confident that they would have a good time with

their dads and it would give me a chance to bond with the new baby it had nothing to do with like oh these are my two kids with Chris which is what I get all the time or Lux is my favorite because he's with Chris no it was just a bonding thing and me wanting to try to take care of myself more and I think that I really took what my midwife said and I wanted to to do what she was saying and so I'm not really quite to two weeks yet I have used the stairs a couple times I did have a little birthday party for Lux it was like a mini birthday party so I had told my midwife she came to see me afterwards

and I said I am gonna go downstairs on Saturday or I think I'm gonna said Friday I don't know I was like I am gonna go downstairs and she was like okay she was like that's fine she's like but stay down there all day then she's like I don't want you coming up and down yeah so I was like it's just it's so crazy when you even if you don't end up having a home birth it is really cool to like look at the pers the perspectives and see how different people what your options are because even if you can take what a midwife would recommend after like following a hospital birth like I still think that that would that's

amazing like make sure after you get home from the hospital you can kind of have the resources available to at least rest as much as possible I know it's not ideal to have someone you know taking care of you every step of the way but you get what I'm saying so but I wanted to tell you what the honey and the olive oil were for okay okay so no well so the olive oil was for the diaper for the baby for the baby so when you you know when the baby first comes out and they have like that really tarry sticky poop yeah you put the olive oil on their butt and like their balls and stuff and so then you put cover the diaper and then

when you wipe them if you're not like trying to scrub the poop off of their butt the sticky like tarry and you have to even smell they're just like they're just tar it's so weird yeah yeah so the olive oils for that so that it you're not like trying to like scrub the poop off the butt so that can you can do that in the hospital too that's not just for a home birth and the honey is for your cat so it's anti-microbial yes and it has like healing properties and it's supposed to keep you from like first of all the diapers are amazing and I think I'm gonna wear them when I have my period because it's just so much more convenient it's

so much more convenient I'm just gonna use the pear bottle or whatever the pear and what is it called a pear bottle water you squirt up in your couch yeah I'm gonna use that and I'm gonna use diapers for my period from now on because it's way way easier and way more comfortable and the honey you put a little bit in the diaper where your cat is and it's also anti-microbial and it prevents sticking if you have like a tear or if you have stitches or even just like because you're bleeding so the blood doesn't dry and get stuck on you it does all of that it kind of works as like the olive oil does for the baby but

then it also has anti-microbial properties if there is a cut or something down there so I was like oh wow okay that's amazing also so those honey have you used I definitely used honey every day when I changed my diapers all my own diapers I used I used it you know when I put a new diaper on and out of the shower and stuff but I had it has subsided I don't use the honey right now but I thought that was amazing wait like whenever I had Jackson they had these little things that you inserted in like your panties that were like cold oh you have that no I mean I had ice pack things but you like cracked them and then

yeah yeah be cold so I had them just in case but I didn't I didn't use them I didn't need them I loved those those saved my life and my cooch I didn't need them like my midwife kept saying like she was actually surprised by how much I did not bleed like remember how I was telling you that one doctor said that because it's my fourth baby I could like bleed out yeah you had me and all of coffee combos thinking that you were going to like be on a gurney like bleeding out I did I hardly bled like I just it wasn't even I have pictures like crotch shots of videos of my child being born and even just like getting up and

like going to the bathroom bathroom after I just didn't bleed a whole lot like it just like wasn't there it was like slightly messy but like nothing crazy and I'm actually shocked and she was shocked and three days later I like wasn't bleeding at all like I'm still only I mean I'm 10 days 11 days post part of them I'm barely bleeding like I'm insane yeah so it was just like everything that the doctor said I was you know I was supposed to go get an ultrasound that morning that I went into labor yeah because I was so overdue they wanted to check my fluid and I had called like 30 minutes after I missed my

appointment because I was like fuck I completely forgot that I had an appointment and I'm in labor on the ball calling on the dock calling the doctor saying you know I you know I'm in labor she's like oh are you on your way to the hospital and I was like no I'm not and I was scared those people I didn't mean to you literally terrified and they had no idea where you were like well very concerned you know I let them know after the fact that I had a home birth and they were like oh and I was like yeah it was wait wait wait okay I need to ask you this question okay so the name how does it feel to have a baby with a

name with a name it only took a week it feels good I'm glad that he has a name and I love that people were so nice on my post because I did like the blanket name announcement yesterday it just he's still the baby like I still call him the baby but I also keep calling him Lux and I don't mean to because I'm so used to Lux being the baby the baby yeah and I'm also very surprised at how well Lux is adjusting to the baby because Lux is such a handful like you guys have no fucking clue he's such a and in a good way in all the good ways but I thought maybe he would have a slightly hard time adjusting to my attention being on the

baby but he's been amazing with it and I'm so thankful for that because it could have been like the opposite and like super jealous and like wanting to kill his baby brother but but he's just not he's he's honestly doing so well but yeah it's I looked back at the post when I named Lux I didn't name Lux for seven or eight weeks no I know it it seemed like it was like infinity well Chris and I couldn't decide and so finally I just picked a name that we both had agreed on in the past and then you know I just like this is it and so I did the same thing this time I was like you know what when Chris and I were talking this was

one of the name Creed was a name that we had both previously agreed on and so it kind of was always in the back of my head and then once he was born Chris was like I don't think he's a Creed but then you know Chris and I don't talk every day so it was you know he wasn't asking me what the baby's name was and stuff like that so I was just like I'm gonna name him something that we had agreed on in the past and I actually love the name I love the movie I love you know what I mean I love the definition of it I love the fact that it's so funny because when I told Will the baby's name he was like wait like the guy from the office I saw

that I don't watch the office like I've seen it but like I never put two and two together but people were like the office and I was like well like the movie but also yeah I guess like the office so we got a ton of messages and you don't have to answer this if you don't want to but people were like okay well kill named this baby with the last name Lopez but Lux is a lowery Lux was a Lopez first she was a Lopez first I'm dead I just I'm the it's crazy because I think that I have a really hard time with like I say and this is my own fault like I have a really hard time with like I get so angry and I say a lot of things that

are true don't get me wrong they're true but then I still turn around and try to make other people happy and try to like not argue and so this is like my another attempt of me trying to give him a chance to like step up as a dad and you know I hope that I don't I mean nothing I do is gonna change someone else's behavior however I feel like this is another attempt of me giving him a chance to like not argue about the last name do you know what I'm saying yeah I also think that like other moms would have to be able to relate that are in similar situations when you have a baby and the situation is a situation what

the right thing to do is because so badly you feel like this ownership over this little human that you carried for nine months and it's yours and it's a part of you yeah it's almost like you're feeling like you're happy to give up something yeah I haven't been there but I do know that I'm sure that that's how the situation feels yeah I mean it's just like and my relationship or I don't want to call it a relationship my my and my entanglement with Chris is so complicated and it's it's so public and partially that's our fault because we do it to ourselves I just I want to do the right thing even when I'm upset and I

know that there have been periods of time where I felt like he doesn't deserve to have his last name passed down but I also at the same time I just I don't know like I don't in a situation like this I don't know what's right and wrong like maybe I should have just hyphenated both of them and called it a fucking day because at that point when they're old enough they can decide which name they want you know what I mean like they can decide for themselves and then it's not on me it's not on Chris it's not on anybody it's whatever the child wants I just I don't it's one of those things that I just I don't know

knew somebody in college that had a last name and then changed it like when we were in college to I guess like his paternal his like dad's name and then changed it back so I don't know like mentally what goes on in a situation like that like do you feel like not apart I wanted in high school I was so upset because I could not understand why my mom gave me my dad's last name like I was so upset I don't and even now it bothers me I feel like I wish that I would have had my mom's last name just because I grew up with not with my mom's side of the family but like a rat like I knew who they were we were from the same

town up until I moved and I knew who my cousins were based on their last name you know what I mean so like I didn't feel a part of them and even now like my one cousin she's a distant cousin like a second cousin or whatever but she has my mom's last name and she got engaged and I was like wow like why don't I have that last name I don't know so and then now I regret to this day not giving Isaac my last name Isaac is like to me he's a Lowry like I should have done Isaac Lowry but I was so dumb at the time and and my mom even told me that she was like you should give him your last name but I thought at the time when I was so in

love with Joe like Joe was like oh we'll probably get married just make him a Rivera you know what I mean and to this day I regret it because then I Chris I think would have understood then if I had Isaac as a Lowry why I was naming his other brother's Lowry because then they would all be Lowry but I think now it's like he feels like well Isaac got his dad's last name Lincoln got his dad's last name why can't my kids have my last name and so I understand that part of it because if Isaac was a Lowry it would be a no-brainer but I mean in fairness Lincoln doesn't really count no because I was married yeah so I don't ever that

doesn't ever bother me like that but Isaac I wasn't I wasn't married to Joe and I wasn't ever gonna get married to Joe and so I just I don't really I just at the time at 17 I was like oh no the kid should have the dad's last name but then as I got older like now I'm like I do feel like it's it's earned we can all go back at 17 and be like wow probably should have done that different right so yeah I mean so we'll see how it goes and you know whatever well okay we haven't talked about this yet on the podcast because you've been in my a but I did happen to see that teen mom got an air date I saw that and you know what's

crazy once again we didn't know that one the trailer was coming out and two the what the air date was before that trailer came out someone sent that trailer to me like what did you think when when someone else sent you a trailer of your own show my friend Vince texted me and was like did you see the trailer and I was like what trailer and he was like the teen mom trailer came out I said oh my god send it to me right now because I never know like people are like why do you watch the show or whatever and it's like I know how my life played out in real life but I don't know how it's gonna be edited down to five minutes so send

me the fucking trailer right now and he sends it to me and I'm crying in every scene I'm crying in every scene oh my god it's been a very dramatic ending of 2019 2020 oh my god I mean I I I talked about it on the podcast I struggled so hard at the beginning of this pregnancy so I'm just hoping that I really hope that people aren't like oh my god you considered abortion why would you put that on TV and I hope that they understand that my the pain and and where I was at mentally to think about it you know what I'm saying not like I didn't want my child I always wanted a fourth child I always did but it was the

situation and how it happened and I hope that the listeners not the listeners I hope that the viewers understand that it wasn't about not choosing life it was about choosing you know a healthy environment and and the situation was not really the circumstances were not really up for discussion so I hope that people understand the pain that I was feeling at the time and even you texted me you said I'm so happy you chose life like I'm so fucking happy that I chose life for this little baby because when he came out I literally looked at him and I was like I can't believe that we moms carry these babies you don't even know

them for nine months they don't do any they don't do anything when they come out all they do is eat shit and cry and you love them so fucking much and it's just something that you can't describe and so when you said when you texted me that like I'm so glad you chose life I literally was like oh my god like I what did we do before him he's two weeks old and what do we do before him you know what I mean it's so crazy it is it is so crazy but I back to the point that you were making about the situation I think that because you've been in therapy over what the last eight months or however long it's been October will

be October will be a year so I've been 10 months I've been in therapy yeah so you're in a therapy situation recovering basically from all of the trauma and you start noticing things that you don't want to recreate right right I think you were also struggling a lot with that feeling of coming so far to kind of basically you know exactly I was exactly gonna say that I agree it almost felt like a setback like and and then people are like well you know how babies are created and you did it and this that in the third but but there are a lot of things that happen that I have not discussed and I'm never going to discuss

so I think that that also plays a role I just I really just hope that it comes through the right way when it airs on TV and we all know that reality TV is reality TV and everything is dramatized cut spliced to whatever narrative is trying to you know be told so I think that that needs to be taken into account too but I think that the majority of the people that have been in a hard situation if they're what is the word like empathetic or yes empathetic yeah we'll understand that it's an emotional journey that you went through and ultimately you made the right decision for your family but it wasn't like it

came easy it was a hard thing that you battled with long before anybody even knew you were pregnant right yeah well and that's part of it and I I also am curious to see how it plays out only because quarantine started in April so I'm I was halfway through my pregnancy at that point and I they don't have some of the the better stuff that I went through starting you know when I was going through therapy and like progressing and and and that stuff the second half of my pregnancy isn't really filmed in the same way that the first part of my pregnancy was so I don't know how that's gonna play out and then I

don't know how much of the birth is gonna be on the show I don't know when we're gonna actually start filming back in the field like having our producers come out I do know my my producers back on the show so I'm super pumped about that because it was been really hard to like self-shoot I'm not a youtuber so I cannot imagine I don't know what that's gonna look like I don't and so part of me is afraid of how the pregnancy didn't really start off super great so like that's gonna be on the show but then the good part won't be I know and that's that's such a hard part of the type of show that you film because it almost

always seems like there's so much good that happens in your life but the camera just happens to catch your shitty day right I swear to you that's exactly what happened like when I read like comments about people saying I'm miserable and I'm this and I'm that and I'm bitter I can't even disagree because that's what it looks like that's literally what it looks like when they're always here for shit times like they're always it's just it's the way that it worked out I guess for I don't know I don't know that I get so defensive when I see those comments I know that your best friend Kristen gets so defensive when

she sees those comments and some of your other friends it's like everybody feels like on the defense because that's not the kill that we know right right exactly but it's weird but like I get it cuz that's what it looks like but I'm like me and Lindsay have a good time when we get together me and Kristen have it like I saw Kristen yesterday and we had lunch and it we had a good day like I'm not always miserable but can we talk about something really fast okay fine you all were having lunch and I was trying to blow Kristen's phone up so I could learn how to fucking pronounce something what was it I don't

even know what the word was I can't even think of it right now but I was like can you call me and tell me how to pronounce this she should have said no voice no I don't I mean I would do the same thing I think I texted Kristen like 20 times in a row the other day and she was like actually busy having her own life and I think my last text was like don't worry about responding I know you'll get back to me when you can I think yeah no I've been there where you just like can you help me and they're busy and you're like oh fuck and I'm like where is Kristen when you need her like I wish I knew what it was that's

so funny me too wait so tell me what you're gonna say about Chelsea I was gonna say so I announced Lux like I could not Lux's Jesus fucking Christ I announced Creed's birth the same day I think it was the same day like I like confirmed it Chelsea says that she's pregnant first of all I only found out just days before because Chelsea and I were texting she did such a good job like keeping it a secret like I don't know but she did such a good job and I thought her announcement was so fucking cute the way that she wrote it into her house that they're building because I would guess I don't know she didn't tell

me but I'm again I'm guessing this is her forever home so that's I just love that she like wrote her story into the house that they're gonna live in like I love that I just wanted to be like Chelsea teach me your ways on how you were so sneaky because she was even doing try-on hauls on Instagram and I'm like you couldn't even tell how oh yeah and I think she looks so great I love I love the announcement I loved everything I'm shocked that it's another girl but I'm not you're not I thought if she had another baby it would be a girl I don't know why I thought maybe it would be another boy like two and two but I said

I texted her and I said welcome to Mama Force Club like Moms of Four Club I don't are crazy and you know what's even crazier I literally think every single day since Creed has been born I can't wait to have another one bye I might be insane like I literally might be insane but I have heard that from so many different people like it's it's literally one way or the other it's like you don't want to think about even the thoughts of that at the moment or it's like okay I would get pregnant tomorrow I actually know one other person in my life that immediately after they had their little boy said I would have

another one tomorrow if I could literally and I also part of it is like you just love them so much you're like oh my god I could do this like I love it but then part of it is like I am almost 30 so I want to make sure that when I'm done having kids I'm done having kids you know what I'm saying like if I want to have another one no I'm done I'm not done and I know that I just but I want to do it sooner rather than later I guess is what I'm trying to get at it's just like let's just do it like right like let's get them let's have them all they can be close in age or whatever oh but I wanted to also people everyone was asking me

what the name was that you had suggested to me that I do love and I'm not saying that I won't use it in the future so if any of y'all listeners decide you want to use this fucking name don't tell me because I don't I if I know a child with the same name I won't use it so just don't tell me if you use it but the name that Lindsay suggested to me was Storm which I loved I love that name I think it's so cute but you said someone else was naming their baby that well I don't know if they are well and I don't I don't I don't know them so I guess it doesn't count yeah it doesn't really count but okay fine honestly I'm not upset

with Creed like I'm really I'm just not and when I first saw a picture of him before he even told me what his name was I was like he looks like somebody that it's not a store name like Kailin I both thought he was gonna come out like like like screaming like yes crazy person hell on wheels yes and I don't think he's like that at all like he's so mellow he's like super chill distinguished like just very talk about how opposite of Luxe he came out like Luxe's hell on wheels Luxe's name should have been Storm yeah Kail because all the trolls that follow e-news that I talked about on the last episode when I recorded with my friend

Carly all of those people on e-news talking about you having four baby daddies and then now that creed has come out looking totally different they definitely think yeah it just fueled the fire even more and it's like did people pay attention in biology or know anything about genetics I'm I don't know if you guys noticed but I am white with blue eyes just so y'all know just so y'all know there was there was still a chance this baby could come out white with blue eyes I mean I don't know but it was definitely a possibility I told someone on Instagram that they could pay for the the DNA test if they wanted me

to prove it so I hope they do too because you know what I'll film about it too so then then the whole world can know about it I hope that person that said that I hope they've been mo you the money instead of asking me for money on them though facts like they could then know it to me also Chris signed a paternity acknowledgement so he also is a hundred percent sure this is his child so it's just it's weird to me that people comment that stuff and it's weird to me that people don't think oh shit like genetics are like a wild thing like you can literally have a baby that I don't know maybe doesn't look like you this is

so weird though I just happen to see a comment it must have been like on your Instagram I went on Twitter I can't remember where I saw it but it was this woman like in defense of you that was like I have mixed children and one of my kids looks just like me and one of my kids looks just like their dad yeah it happens like that I don't think that's abnormal I think it's you assume because what's like the darker jeans would right and and the darker jeans obviously you think are more dominant but I mean look at Isaac Isaac came out with light hair and blue eyes and his dad's a hundred percent Puerto Rican with black hair and

brown eyes and everyone in his family has those features so I don't know why they also create looks like Isaac I don't see it I don't think he does I see but I told you that yesterday when I called you in a car no yeah I don't see it though I think he just has fair skin and blue eyes but I don't know that he looks like Isaac maybe he looks like baby Isaac but I don't think that he looks how Isaac looks now no he doesn't look like how Isaac looks now but I definitely think when Isaac was a baby that there's some resemblance there but I also think that Isaac what is it like looked like you a little bit more when

he was a baby right right I agree I could agree with that for sure I don't see him now I don't think Isaac looks like me I don't wear like Jackson when you put Jackson next to you he looks like you but when you see him next to will you're like oh my god Jackson is a spitting image of his father but like you can see a resemblance in you and him too somebody actually posted that on my Instagram yesterday they were like we'll literally carried and delivered him and I'm like okay well my coach says different so your cat said no I don't think so I don't think so yeah but it's just so crazy but I do think when I see the

profile of Creed I think that his nose is very similar to Luxe oh yeah for sure the same nose I think Luxe has a bigger upper lip than Creed but Creed has a bigger lower lip than Luxe Luxe also didn't have any lips when he came out which is so weird they like developed in time they developed in time he's just my favorite Luxe yeah he's a hell on fucking wheels like he is truly I've never met a child like him he's Tarzan Mowgli Aquaman no he's Aquaman as of yesterday so just be careful because he will cuss he won't cuss you out in real adult language but in toddler language he will cuss you out if you say he's

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and he was like I'm not yellow I'm black and he he loves it but he'll be like and my brother's tan my brother's tan oh my gosh I'm like you know what yes we're all different and it's okay and yeah but he he will correct someone real quick I'm black how does he know that I don't know and I'm like well you're black and white and he's like no I'm black like okay I'm not gonna argue with you I have heard in the past that if you're any portion African-American that you normally identify black it's I don't I'm not sure I know Chris is black white in Mexican but he identifies as black only like he doesn't ever check the white

box and I like at all I don't think actually I don't know because when he filled out the acknowledgement for paternity he put black white in Mexican like he put all three so I'm I'm not sure I know Javi identifies as white white yes he has always identified as white well that's interesting I'm gonna call Javi his license says white male so I'm not sure I think I don't know I don't know how that works I think you could I mean I've heard crazy white people who claim black because they're 1% Congonese you know what I mean like that girl whoa Vicki or something wait no but since we're talking about crazy people

okay somebody sent me a DM and I'm not gonna go search for it somebody sent me a DM and said that Jenelle was part of conspiracy what conspiracy I don't know I'm gonna have to go back and search for it in the DMs but there's too many but somebody sent that and I was like what like what is this but people just make up so much stuff you know I'm just like whatever I think they just sent it to us to see if we would talk about it so they're you got 20 seconds of your time I'm done with you I'm done okay I know you're so obsessed with TikTok but what do we think about Trump banning TikTok so someone did you send that to me or

did someone okay what the fuck is the purpose of that well because it's a Chinese app Chinese app and I think there's a push for Microsoft to purchase it so it would be American at that point and maybe there's a feeling of security breach which I could definitely see they could have tons of information from the users from that app well I mean I was gonna say I'm not really sure how like the coding and stuff works for apps and stuff but like I don't remember what information I used to fill out you know to create my account or whatever like I wonder like could they hack emails and stuff like is that is

that the security breach that you think I'm not sure all I know is there's just talks about if Microsoft does not buy TikTok that it could potentially be nixed so I just want to know how many people that are listening are gonna be really pissed if TikTok gets nixed. TikTok is one of those weird apps like Instagram you can get lost with get lost in time like while you're scrolling but I feel like TikTok is one of those ones where it's like you you get on TikTok and you're watching it at like 12 and you look up at the clock and it's four o'clock not like Instagram it might be like 45 minutes passes by but like

TikTok four hours has then passed by so no I'm not I have to when I get on TikTok now I'm getting on TikTok with the knowing exactly how much time I have and what I'm doing because I was doing that I was getting on TikTok and then two hours would go by and I'm like what the fuck just happened so I mean bidding TikTok might not be a bad idea after all I don't know I mean I don't know and then the next thing that I want to talk about is the shooting outside of the White House yesterday. Okay I didn't hear about that either at all what happened tell me about it. There was a random shooter outside of the White House

yesterday shooting into the White House or just outside the White House but obviously security was there and had it handled and I think the suspect and then one of the secret service officers or whatever you call them was taken to the hospital but Trump was in the middle of a speech or whatever you call it what is it called like a what do they call it like not a press release but like you know what I mean like a conference I guess okay yeah in the White House or somewhere else yeah in the White House and he was taken somewhere and then he came back on and basically said he wasn't scared so there's that. That's

actually terrifying there was also an explosion in Lebanon not that long ago I didn't know if that was like I didn't read too much up on it if it was accidental or intentional and then there was also an explosion in Baltimore yesterday. There was? Yes. What kind of like yeah it like it was people's apartments and I don't know yeah and it was like several of them oh my gosh I hope it wasn't like targeted or something it said that it says on here no gas odors or recent leaks were found in the explosion so but it says that the gas lines date to 1960s so they're not really sure I mean I hope it wasn't like

a meth lab or something I know that would be awful because I don't know but that was my friend to me before we go we all need to know are you happy with the baby's birthday I am so happy with the baby's birthday I'm fine with it I'm good with it it's a multiple of two it's a multiple of five and you know it worked it really all worked out you didn't freaking have a choice but the universe told my body the universe did okay so what's that thing where okay like you have like a sign which mines Virgo mm-hmm but then you have what is it like a sun or a moon sign yep you have like rising yep you have all that

okay so I looked mine up yesterday where you had to put the time of your birth where you were born mm-hmm your birthday I looked that up it's like what's it called what do you mean what's that thing called like the website that you use to to do that it's like a birth chart a natal chart a natal chart is what okay okay and I was just wondering how is compatible with will okay and I looked it up and put all of my like specific information in it and it says like at that time I can't remember it's like the Sun or the Moon but it was in Taurus which is will sign okay so will told me he was like well we were destined to be

together and I'm like after your shenanigans for the past two days you're like I don't think so I wouldn't be so confident in that statement because listen I gotta tell y'all the homeschool thing like shout out to all the homeschooling parents that do this by choice non-pandemic just like dedicating their time their sanity and everything to it shout out to y'all and like you should totally be praised but when I tell you that having to listen to people on zoom calls with your kid and people not knowing how to operate the equipment is the most frustrating thing that I think I've ever dealt with my

life I mean I could definitely agree with that like people not knowing how to mute their mics and it's like you're hearing all these conversations and kids other kids screaming in the background it's like what is go like what the hell is going on and for the listeners who have been sending me all of the screenshots of my county being on national news and what is it one of the news stations I forget what one it was but it was outside it's one of like the national nationally covered ones was outside of Jackson school for like eight hours this past Saturday interviewing parents I think this morning that it was

on CNN that our county had had 800 people in quarantine within the school system due to 50 positive COVID cases it has now caused 800 person quarantine within the school system between teachers and students and our superintendents declined to comment so yeah it's just insane it's literally insane are I don't think that I've I told you but I haven't really discussed like what the kids that my kids are gonna do I guess our school district decided to do four weeks mandatory virtual learning and then Lincoln and Isaac even though they're the same school district they will start hybrid two days a week Lincoln going

back in October the end of October and Isaac going back mid November I'm not really sure what staggering the dates would do Isaac's middle school intermediate school is that middle school like six through it's fifth and sixth and then middle school is seventh and eighth oh I love that they do that there I wish they did that here I didn't grow up that way I grew up fifth through eighth is middle school see I grew up sixth through eighth is middle school okay okay okay yeah elementary school yeah so they'll go back two days a week the one question I had was how the fuck and teachers are to teach from

their classrooms so teachers have to go into school to teach children virtually where the fuck are they putting their kids while they're teaching from school and their kids are home I know for a fact in our situation and other people that I know that have virtual teachers their children are at school because they're ours are not allowed ours aren't allowed what yeah so I have two of my friends are teachers ones Isaac's third-grade teacher and one's Lincoln's kindergarten teacher and they both have children and we were talking about that at Lex's little birthday party and they're not allowed to bring their kids

to school to teach from home or to teach oh you mean like student children who wouldn't be student age that's what you mean no they're student age so they have to be they have to be oh they're virtual virtual and they're not allowed so what are you what is a teacher supposed to do when their husbands or their partners are working they're at school teaching what the fuck are they supposed to do with their kids listen I've been hearing so many different rumors of so many different things regarding COVID that I'm just like my brain feels like it's fried out yep and I just wonder after the election if all of this will just

like dissipate I wonder I think you have a good point there I mean will it or will it will it still be as serious I don't know I bet we're back to school fully by January I'm gonna I'm gonna venture to say that we're back to school fully by January I agree before we go though I did want to just tell you guys that I went to go on a three-mile walk the other day and was like on these little walking these wooded walking trail and there was like a big stump that had like fallen on the ground when I tell you there was a black snake that was like as long as a stump and it obviously saw me before I saw it because it

started moving I think I shit myself and also had a heart attack yeah also I when you told me about it I also shit myself and had a heart attack and I didn't even see it well because we'll got that copperhead bite I just don't I don't mess with that kind you know I'm just like no I'm not I'm not for it and then when I start to leave the damn place it says wild hogs have been spotted no children that are under 13 years old have to have supervision which first of all I'm like who's dropping their kids off over here that you know are under 13 by themselves without supervision that's a conversation for a later date

but like why are wild hogs there um that's fucking weird they're probably eating the snakes and like when if I came up on a wild hog like what would I do uh you I mean I don't know does it look like a pig cuz I'd probably try yeah it's got like no it's ugly and it's got like tusk or husk what are those things called tusks tusks yeah that it's got those and they're ugly and will told me that in Texas and will probably made this up but maybe it's true he said in Texas that they will take you up and like an airplane or helicopter or something like that and give you a gun and let you shoot like the wild boars

or like hogs because they're in Texas yeah he said because they're over populating and like taking over everything so he said they'll just like take you up and like a helicopter or something like that and you shoot from the air yeah I killed him oh that's interesting I hope if somebody's listening and he's a liar I hope you say he's a liar I mean I also I don't know that I would do that like I'm just like not that person to like I mean you're in the air that's so crazy me that why I mean I'm not that person either I'm just saying that like obviously like people are doing it so it's friggin weird and I

just want to know if anybody that because let's do this podcast if you live in Texas if you know anybody who's done it and if you have don't send pictures yeah definitely don't don't send pictures I don't want to see them I'll be sick I'll be so sick well Kale it was such a pleasure having you back if I'm happy to be back back to our shenanigans I can't wait to talk there's so much more we have to talk about I just think that we'll have to use the full hour next week I know so can you give us the air date for Teen Mom 2 when y'all are back Teen Mom 2 is back on September 1st do you know what time actually I don't

okay we will follow up I'll post in the comments Teen Mom 2 back September 1st unknown time right now but we will have it when we post on Thursday oh also really quickly if you guys are listening and follow us on Instagram please take our surveys that we're gonna post Lindsay's gonna post a couple polls on the story there's a couple things in the works that we're trying to do and where we want to get your feedback to know how to properly go about what we're about to do next perfect so should I post those on Thursday yeah sure okay perfect all right that is all we have time for today if you have not followed us on at coffee

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