Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 121: Kail's Weekend, Outcry, and Cutting Ties

Episode Date: September 10, 2020

On this week's episode of Coffee Convos, Lindsie and Kail have a lot to discuss. By now most of you have probably heard all about Kail's weekend, but she is here to lay out the whole story and give you guys her thoughts on everything. And after a lot of prompting from Lindsie, Kail has finally watched Outcry, and the ladies have a lot of thoughts on the show. And Lindsie and Kail are no strangers to cutting ties with people, and they want you guys to know some of their thoughts on it. All this and more, this week on Coffee Convos. This episode was sponsored by: Better Help, KiwiCo, and Babbel Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

hey guys welcome to coffee combos we are recording early this week because we just have so much shit to talk about so much stuff to talk about but also we are laboring on labor day we're laboring on labor day you're right we are we are oh my god so what's going on um well where should we start should we start I don't know okay so I'm gonna start with my shit show of a weekend since today's Labor Day and Friday I okay so let me let me just start from the very beginning and just give you guys like a rundown so like I don't like to go grocery shopping with my kids because I feel like it takes a lot longer and then

they're stressed out I'm stressed out I'm frustrated they want everything it's taking too long blah blah blah blah blah so I will literally speaking to every mother like no because no I don't agree I do not agree with you because I see families go out grocery shopping together they're literal psychos like personally I look at them and I'm like I think to myself did you want to pull your own hair out like is that what you wanted to do because I do not understand couples who shop together and then bring their kids like for me I will wait to till I have a babysitter or I will do grocery pick up from Walmart because or

like wherever I'm not gonna pull my own hair out and furthermore like especially with a toddler and infant like they either gonna be in the cart and taking up room or having to melt down or what I'm just not gonna stress myself out so long story short that was my little actually I was like a not a long story short at all so that being said Friday I wanted to go to BJ's which if you guys don't have BJ's you probably have Sam's Club or Costco or whatever so my friend was like do you want to go to BJ's and use my membership so I was like yeah lit cool whatever Christine which is Chris's mom texted me and said you know she

wanted to see Lux so I had told her she can come to my house and see him and because I was gonna go to BJ's or whatever she gets here and then I was like literally leaving for BJ's so it's like if you want you can just take him to your house and since BJ's is near your house I'll just pick him up on my way when I'm done grocery shopping make sense I did not know that Chris was gonna be there this was not a scheduled visitation visit that's not what this was this was a visit that I allowed Christine which is Chris's mom I allowed her to have because she asked Chris has never texted me for he I can't even I

honestly cannot tell you the last time he actually texted me for his children so but I have not denied his mom and his sister had actually been texting me lately and like asking to come see the kids or whatever and I don't deny them so I just wanted a preface this with that so my my car my truck is full and I'm not letting the baby stay with a babysitter or go with Christine or go with anybody so I did have the baby with me and just like my trunk is packed I have the stroller on top of the groceries in the back and whatever blah blah blah so I go I text her I say hey I'm on my way I'm leaving BJ's so in the

event that Chris was there he is not allowed to be within a hundred yards of me therefore when I text you that I'm on my way Chris should not have been there practicing with with that as well get there so excited to see Lux whatever he runs up to me hug him put him in the car and his hair is behind his shoulders and because it is so long I'm thinking I don't think anything of it don't even think to look at his hair which is not a first thought like no and it's behind his shoulders so like I just didn't even notice I was like okay like whatever Christine kisses him and says you know I'll text you in a couple days which she

always does now let me also say that last week I had a dream that that Lux had dreads long dreads and Chris cut them off I swear to you I told one of my friends and I told my my friend son Caden who helps like he helps babysit a lot I told them I woke up and I was like I had the weirdest dream fast forward to Friday we put him in the car and Caden and his mom were actually with me because we all went to BJ's I used to membership blah blah blah and put him in the back seat Caden is strapping him in for me and it's like Kale he cut his hair and I said what I look back and he said kill he cut his hair I've never I

don't think I've ever been out of character the way that I was in that moment like I lost my fucking mind like lost my fucking mind and I've been working so hard in therapy at not reacting like I don't know if you guys know like Brianna and Janelle make comments at me pretty I would say pretty often for like the reality TV social media world like they do they'll comment on things that don't pertain to them or have something to do with me and they'll comment on it and I truly the last couple times I've really I really have stayed quiet because I feel better when I don't respond and and that also

goes for Chris like I truly feel better when I do not react and I don't respond but it is so fucking hard it is so hard I reacted and you know I am not super proud of it but it is what it is and I I'm blown away I guess because yes while I do understand that Lux is Chris is Lux's father Chris is not an active person in Lux's life Chris sees Lux twice a month because he doesn't ask the only time that he sees Lux is when his mom asks for Lux that is the only time so you see your son a couple hours a month and you do this shit and then furthermore I'm upset too because then he gets on Instagram live and says oh he

should have scalped he's lucky I'm lucky he didn't scalp him yeah somebody sent me the screenshots of that but I was laughing and he thinks it's funny he thinks it you know he thinks it's a joke and he says that his sister helped him and watched and told him it was even okay well my other problem with that is the fact that I feel like this is someone who I've who I have allowed in my house several times over the last few weeks because I don't deny my kids are there or their of their family their dad side I really don't so this is someone who's you know sat in my face been nice to me and you're going behind my back

and you're you never thought oh Chris maybe you should ask Kale about that maybe you should call Kale now he does go on Instagram live and say oh this isn't his first haircut la da da da yes it is his first haircut a taper and a haircut are two different things so to me shaping up his little like sideburns is nowhere near the same you couldn't even tell because his hair falls over it I just did it because it like cleaned it up a little bit he claims that his hair line is fucked up no his hairline the top of his hairline wasn't even touched like the the line across your forehead what does that have to do with cutting

with cutting his hair exact and then he says oh I just trimmed the edges like a little inch he literally cut half of his hair off it's up to his it's almost up to his shoulders now and it was down to his butt all the curls are gone they're all gone all of them and the fact that he bribed my son with the haircut oh Aquaman gets his haircut really because I've never I've never seen a clip in the movie of Aquaman getting his haircut so I asked my son on a regular basis do you want your haircut and the answers always no my son does not want his haircut if my son said he's three and he's very vocal about everything so I'm like if

you want your haircut we'll go cut your kid your hair but I feel like his first hair like significant haircut like where it's actual inches off and we're changing the look I would text Chris and I would have been like hey you know Lux is wanting his haircut we should probably plan this but instead he decided to do it behind my back so now Chris wrote a letter of some sort don't know what it said because I didn't fucking read it once I realized that his hair was cut off I after his mom had handed me the letter I threw it at him someone told me that I guess some of Lux's hair was folded up in the let I

don't know how true that is I this is someone that doesn't have any type of custody so I until a judge makes me I do not trust him especially with the threats of like shaving it off oh I you know you're lucky I didn't scalp him like who the fuck says that I have a couple of things that I want to point out so as much as your older boys dick around with their hair and like get it cut and you're always at the barber shop or whatever I feel like if Lux had the feeling of wanting to get his haircut then you would be the first person to know because he would be asking while he's there with you getting the other

boys haircuts that's the first thing the second thing is that I also received messages about this because anytime something crazy goes on in your life because of the podcast I get a million messages about it as if one I'm not going to respond and I want people to very clearly understand that like I'm not avoiding something but I'm also not going to respond because one it's not my business and two even if I know the answer to it again it's not my business so unless Kale says it then you're not gonna hear it from me the third thing that I would like to point out is that somebody had sent me a message saying I

don't understand he's the father I guess because I had posted on my Instagram story because I had received so many message of messages about it that I just wanted to address that it would be covered on the podcast this week and that when Will and I separated Jackson also had like the little curls in the back of his hair and his hair was never like as long as Lux is but it did touch like the back of his neck and curled up and I was devastated even when he and I took him to get his haircut for the first time because it cut all the curls off and I literally just sat at the hair place and just was a met like a

total wreck and so for somebody to say well you know he's as much his parent as the other like no you don't understand the situation and furthermore as a mother I don't know like just the way I feel about it is that's your little baby and that's the hair that they've had on their head since birth so it's like it's a big deal and it's not something just very small and something that shouldn't be discussed or something that I know you as a person that if Chris came to you and said you know I've had conversations with Lux and I want to get his haircut can we talk about this I feel like you would be very open to

having the conversation and maybe you guys talking with Lux together and in doing that as like something together so you could both experience it but I just don't feel that it's fair knowing what I know about the situation that one he's supposed to be being supervised when he has luck so well that and that was another thing was that even though I didn't know that Chris was gonna be there or that you know whatever Chris only has supervised visits so the fact that he wasn't being supervised and then somebody that I felt like I could trust enough to come here and see Lux would then encourage and or not say

shit to Chris about you know maybe you should reach out to and maybe she did but on Instagram live he said oh my little sister was right there and she told me it was even and she said it looked fine is like now you just incriminated someone else like now you're now and I said on the way out I said don't ever reach out to me about him like until a judge tells me that I do not have a choice I mean we're talking about someone who who wanted to sign off his rights and then and then I I read the comments and I see what you guys say about going back to him and having another child with him and I get it but

unless you are in a relationship with a narcissist and have low self esteem which I have had for a long time you can't understand it you can't understand the abuse the a trauma the grooming the all of that it's literally like it's I would compare it to Stockholm syndrome so to me it unfortunately took taking two kids with this man to realize the type of person he is and the fact that the behavior is getting worse is absolutely mind-blowing to me I didn't I mean I couldn't have imagined that he was a narcissist before all of this like I truly couldn't and now I'm and to say to scalp him I'm so confused that's

terrifying you like you know I don't maybe he doesn't know what scalping means like maybe he truly doesn't know like is he gonna take a razor to his head because we're all confused like what what does he mean by scalping and why would that even be a thought I don't know I truly I he must not know what that means that's so literally the only thing that I can think of well the next question I guess is are your producers all in Delaware at this point my yes so all my producers are in Delaware and I took my self quarantine not self quarantine I took my coronavirus tests and I submitted it back

for testing just to make sure that I'm tested negative and then all my kids are coming home to well I have three of my kids I'm gonna go get Isaac today have all of them tested and then once those come back negative we will start filming I'm gonna film today going to get Isaac but it's like go-pros and they're not gonna be it's not gonna be like a full crew it's gonna be like car cams but I guess where I was going with that what is is this gonna be covered on team mom because I feel like it's a very relatable topic I think I've made the decision at this point like after seeing how Chris thought all of this was so

funny and the way that he reacted to it and the way that he finds it hilarious that once again he's hurting me and then furthermore using my son to hurt me and he thinks it's funny and entertaining and he's not taking it seriously someone sent me some things that he said and posted about basically that he the show is nothing my storyline is nothing without him and so I think I'm not gonna bring it up anymore I don't want to talk about him I don't want to unless it's like minor like in passing because I know that the lot the first episode of the season was about him potentially getting someone else pregnant and so I

know that a lot of the season is about him so I want to make sure that moving forward like none of my attention is I just think that I have so much so many other things going for me I don't want to focus on him I don't and and and furthermore like this episode being the last one that I that I record about him right I mean I think to his point I guess he's valid in the sense that the first episode did have a lot to do with him but also has to take into consideration that if you're choosing to be a part of somebody's life that is followed in this way that it would be insincere for you not to follow the

things that you are going through in your life and at that time you already had one of his children and we're pregnant with his second child so I think that you know there's give and take with everything if you're gonna choose not to be a part of it just don't be a part of your life because when you're making the choice to be a part of somebody's life that is followed in the way that you are you have to be open to that does that make sense yeah yeah definitely definitely I just you know I think the whole thing is such a sad situation because I feel like I never wanted to be the parent that takes their kids away from their dad

and I never I want to see the good in people so like being with him I feel like I've given chance after chance after chance after chance and it's even when we're not together I try and and to be called bitter and all of these things it's like yeah I definitely have been bitter for a long time and I definitely think that I have every right to be bitter but I can't take back the fact that I had a second child with him I can't take it back I'm happy my son is here I'm thankful that he hasn't seen Creed because I don't want him to be able to manipulate Creed the same way that he has with Lux and you know I

know that there's better things for me in the future so I just let's make a commitment to each other that we're not gonna talk about him anymore perfect well I am totally down with that but before we switch topics the comments that were made by a Jenelle Jenelle Evans Jenelle Jenelle Eason I was gonna try to like be so diplomatic or like political about it and be like no former teen mom star no let's let's let's call it how we see it those comments do you want me to read go ahead read them out read them okay because honestly when I saw it I was like oh so we went there okay so this was on Twitter mind you

Kale and I are both blocked so obviously we're seeing the second hand it's really sad to see when the mother is difficult is the difficult one and holds the child away from the father while co-parenting you can hate the other parent all you want but they aren't going away and like you want so bad sorry not sorry so please everyone just co-parent peacefully because no matter how much of a grudge you have against the father there's nothing that will ever prevent them from visitation rights hashtag truth then she says I would have cut that little boy's hair too then she says Barbara agrees too before you get going

on this I just want to say that you don't get it both ways you don't get to call Kale a bully say Kale uses you for ratings on the podcast say you know all these people bully you and whatever but then yet every single time something happens her or Brianna are constantly piping up to give an opinion about things that one don't concern them or two it's kind of funny because didn't she flip her shit on Nathan about Kaiser's hair so I actually don't know about that when if she flipped out about Kaiser's hair or not I'm not sure I will say that I've read a comment that something along the lines of like don't comment on my

life and I won't comment on yours I haven't commented on their lives in a long time like I realized that it was causing more harm than like good trying to defend myself to these fucking people so it's been a long time like go ahead kill we didn't even discuss the YouTube or Facebook video that she put out that was very about CPS or something yeah and it came out I believe the day after the teen mom like the what do you call it like the premiere yeah so it's like you're obviously still trying to be connected and in some sense but please carry on I just needed to say that yeah no absolutely um yeah I haven't

commented on their lives in a long time just because I truly don't give a fuck and honestly you have to consider the source right like these two people are probably not you know favorites they're not fan favorites I mean neither am I but my point pot me kettle right so like I'm not gonna comment on your shit anymore don't comment on mine this I feel like you I even commented on one of the pictures because I guess like all the gossip the teen mom gossip page is picked it up or whatever her her tweets or whatever and I said I don't even need to comment on this because everyone in the comments was understanding my

perspective and my point of view and literally dragged to know for me so I didn't really need to say anything because we all know what it is we all know what's what like we all know what type of person she is and yeah I do fuck up all the time but I think that I'm I'm slowly making progress to be a better version of me and and we can't say the same about her so I have custody of all my kids my older two are on a 5050 schedule and you know we're getting better at co-parenting all the time I've never had CPS come and investigate my home or my children for safety issues so so Janelle probably isn't the best

person to be giving any type of advice on parenting and furthermore you know when people commented on Twitter about I want to say it was about luck speaking better than Ensley like a year or two ago I said you know Ensley will get there you know every child is different I was very nice about it so for her to come up my situation so in such a nasty way I feel like speaks way more about the type of person she is well it's just insensitive and I think if any mother sits back and thinks about the situation and just tries to put in perspective like put on your shoes the general consensus is going to be the

same feelings as what you have but I don't think that maybe her advice really matters I mean even people who are not huge Kale fans have said that they understand where I'm coming from this isn't like you know me or me and Javi or me and Joe have 5050 custody and then one of them went and cut one of my kids hair like it's not like that situation Chris has no rights like he has supervised visits and so I just don't agree like I just don't I really don't and like I said she's not she has absolutely no credibility here

so now that we've given her a little bit of airtime you're welcome can we talk about okay so I'm pretty sure that you went through a period during your pregnancy that you just mentally check out all timers but like you know what I mean like where you just didn't remember stuff I still don't remember stuff and I mean could totally be mom brain however I also think I have early onset dementia but I don't know you've been saying that for like five years I'm being dead serious I'm gonna get okay go ahead I told you so many moons ago to watch out cry and then you never freaking watched it and then you text me

this weekend it was like you have to watch out cry like bitch I told you about that months ago and then you didn't watch it and then you never said anything about it so it's like well maybe it wasn't as good as what I thought it was I didn't know that it's been out for months so that's news to me I don't remember you telling me to watch it I believe you but I don't recall it was during that time I think it was like during quarantine when I was like on the Netflix binges and we would like text and I would be like you have to watch this or you have to watch that it was during that time I okay so that makes

sense to me I watched it and I knew born tired is different and for some reason I still chose to stay up because once I started it I was up until three in the morning finishing it yeah that's how I did to fully regretted it in the morning but also I was blown away by the story and if you guys have not heard of it or seen the documentary or docu-series I guess outcry it's five episodes long once you start it you're not gonna want to stop so my suggestion to you is make sure you have a five-hour window when your kids are asleep or something and I I actually tagged him and his name is Greg Kelly I tagged him in my story and

he responded and so how fucking cool would it be if he was on the podcast would be so cool like I would so I should maybe reach out and be like hey can we can we talk to you can we talk can we interview honestly at first when I started watching it I told Will I was like I really want to watch this like so bad and we first started watching it and got through the first episode and Will was like I don't know if I'm comfortable watching this like I'm not really into stuff like this and it's just kind of like weird and it gives me like the heebie-jeebies and I'm like okay I'll just watch it by myself then so then he

was like fine I'll watch it so then both got super invested and both fully believe that Greg was completely set up I just 100% imagine being like a star athlete in high school moving in with another family that had a home day care and then being accused shortly after that you had been molesting a child that was a part of the home day care there's just so many problems with the whole thing it's like the fact that this was this is something that would have even just the accusations alone were enough to ruin this man's life even if he even though he I believe that he was innocent you know what I mean like his

prime years were gone because of this and it takes cruel people to do something like that to someone but I don't know if you felt this way and for those of you who haven't watched it you're probably not gonna understand what we're talking about we won't spend a ton of time talking about this until y'all have had an opportunity to and then would definitely if he did message you back would definitely like to have him on the podcast but I fully felt like the mom of the other boy where he was living I fully felt like she went into like a defense mode she knew it was her son that was doing it and she needed somebody

to blame and it all in her mind logically made sense to be like okay this is the outsider coming into my home this is the one who did it and and sadly for him when trying to identify like as a child if you're trying to identify the two males they there was so many similarities in them that he looked so much alike it was almost weird but the SpongeBob pajama pants like is really what what got me and I'm definitely not the type of person to be like I'm gonna question you know the victim that's right saying this especially a child victim but you could also tell that the children in the interviews had been

groomed to some degree I don't know what degree but definitely you know they had had conversations and almost like they had been kind of told what to say if that makes sense well the second child that came forward didn't really come forward and that was like definitely like a setup I feel like the first one I will say that I was I wasn't sure if the molestation actually happened because of the like what was going on but then you know I do think it happened I will obviously believe the child I just don't know that I think that the child was told to say it was Greg I agree I 1000% agree okay so moving on from that your

kids start school tomorrow so are you ready they do I am ready for the most part when I get off the podcast here today I'm gonna go to Staples and finish getting whatever the kids need for virtual learning and all of that so I'm I'm not super pumped about it just because I don't know how because Creed is such a fussy baby I mean it's getting better with the reflex meds but he's such a fussy baby it's gonna be really hard for me to manage the online school plus the kids and then I was on the I downloaded the app or whatever for Lincoln's teacher he's starting at a new school with the half day in Spanish and

I just I'm curious to see how everything goes Lincoln has a zoom interview like a parent teacher thing tomorrow morning at 8 30 and then Isaac has one at 9 so I'm hoping that Lincoln's doesn't because they're at two different schools so oh my gosh one of them doesn't go over like over the 30 minutes because I don't know how that would work and then also I feel like we should have done like a meet the teacher over zoom prior to school starting so I just don't know how I feel about that either well I wanted to let you know that we did get notification for our County because like I I think I said this on the

podcast before that every nine weeks you have to the option yeah you have the option to switch it over and so will and I have made the decision like I said to keep him home until after the election for many reasons mainly because I've gotten threats people calling my phone sending me my address over text message trying to FaceTime me telling me that you're coming to the suburbs that they have my address all in regards to the election and so for that reason it has nothing actually to do with coronavirus at all and I don't want to say too much on it just because the police are involved and I don't want to interfere

with their investigation but it's very scary and we've just made the decision until after the election to keep him home however it seems as if after Christmas break that they might do away with the digital option altogether so it said December the 18th could potentially be the last digital day period so my concern basically was just if if I was in a regular situation and wasn't dealing with all of the other craziness in life if I did send him back he wouldn't have the same teacher because that teacher is going to stay digital until the digital options no longer there so okay because he's doing

so well I don't want him to have to go into a new environment if that class is on a different path than what his is it just creates too much stress so I'm just like okay for that reason that's also another reason to keep him until the teacher moves back to the classroom but yeah I'm just I'm so ready for the election to get here and to be done and for us to to all be able to hopefully move on with life as normal as possible yeah I wanted to tell you that Jackson had his first scrimmage this weekend for baseball yeah yeah how did that go well he did really well however we get to about there's about 35 minutes left in

the game and all of a sudden start here a car alarm go off and of course you know like little kids that are seven and eight years old they start hearing something outside of their environment that they're supposed to be focused on and they're you know completely focused on the other thing like the car alarm or whatever well then I turn around and I see just a big like mob of people and I'm like what the heck is going on because I'm the dugout mom so I'm kind of like trying to get equipment set for them to you know switch over innings and whatever and I turn around and there's these two men at each other's throats in

the parking lot yes like right out in front of where the boys were playing fist fighting what yes got pushed into one of their bodies got pushed into an innocent bystander's van dented the whole side of the van oh my god at this point will has called all the players to the middle of the field the other coach is trying to diffuse the situation telling people like you need to go like you need to go you need to go there were multiple people calling 911 there were people recording the incident and it just made me think of situations like when families have to come together because I've had other friends you know

tell me situations about having to be in the same environment as family members that they don't get along with for the sake of the child for you know sporting events or you know whatever and that's what this was it was a an altercation between two grandads and like the granddad and then the step-granddad and I was just kind of like wow sometimes people just really can't keep their composure and you really don't know what's going on in people's homes or like and their lives because this is definitely actually the kid is on Jackson's team that this was going on so I was just like wow like I didn't know

things escalated like quickly like that yeah I just I didn't and I was so concerned about the innocent bystander's van right like they're yeah whole sliding door was dented in and I was just like oh wow and then it just made me think like I wonder how often things like this happen because more people I feel like are in divorce situations or separation situations than not I feel like it's probably more common for that to be the scenario and I just wonder how often things escalate or you know fallouts happen at little kids sporting events I mean I've personally never seen I've never seen it but of course I'm

sure it happens more than we know maybe people are just better at kind of keeping it from denting and hitting bystanders and all of that yeah and then the police came and it was just insane basically my Saturday was like oh wow like that really escalated quickly yeah hundred percent and then I get I get home settle down like take a shower lay on my bed to watch lifetime and I go to my direct messages and this person sent me a message and said hi I'm listening to your podcast as I get ready for work I'm a teacher and I teach in person students but my class neighbor teaches online and I wanted to share her

horrifying experience she was in a video meeting with her class and a parent was walking around the house nude and all the kids saw so there's a tip for you all like what could you imagine say read that again please read that again it says that this like online teacher was in a video meeting with her class and a parent was walking around the house nude and all the kids that would that would definitely happen to me however I'm thinking all of the above in the universe that my office is downstairs where the kids are gonna have their online stuff and my room is upstairs so I wouldn't hopefully ever pass by you

better tell Luxe like he better keep his underwear on cuz yeah he well he's been a huge fan of pants these days because obviously Aquaman wears pants so so he's been wearing pants I love the fact that he's been wearing pants yeah but also I love the fact that he doesn't care and he'll just be a nudist oh yeah absolutely he he's he's proud actually can we talk about that I know I've talked about this on the podcast before will thinks it's normal to like sleep in a complete like buff like it's weird in the buff what does that mean like in the nude I guess is the word maybe oh yeah for sure I mean I don't because

Luxe still sleeps in my bed but when I don't have children in my bed absolutely but why can you please explain like the why not behind this but explain to me why first well it's comfortable I know a lot of people that sweat in their sleep so if they don't have that extra layer of clothing I don't know it just gives your chance like a your body a chance to like breathe I mean I'm totally I don't sleep with like panties on or anything like I always even if I have like pajamas on like little shorts and a top or like a tank top or something I never when I get out of the bath I just don't put panties on but I'm not sleeping in

the nude like I tried to do it one time because will kept aggravating me about it and he was like you should just do it one time or you'll be in love with it and I'm like no and then he just kept pressuring me so it was like fine if you'll just shut up like I'll do it I tossed and turned all night long because I felt like I needed clothes okay so maybe it's not for you it's not but then will's like family also I think there's a couple members in his family that participate in this too and I've always asked them like if there was an emergency in the middle of the night like you're not prepared right like yeah

I can't tell you how many times I sleep in my like sports bra a lot and like my underwear I can't tell you how many times I've been woken up in the morning to like a neighbor knocking on my door or like the FedEx man needs me to sign something and I had to be like hold on I'm getting dressed like that's the worst that is literally the worst yeah so I'm just like for those reasons like what if your fire alarm went off or like what that would be awful the cops showed up at like 3 a.m. and you're just completely in the nude like you're searching around for your pants like you need to get to the door yeah that

that's true you have a good point I'm just like for all of those reasons and the fact that I don't think it's comfortable I'm out and I also don't want like like what if your butt gets like a skid mark like on my sheets I would be pissed that's so disgusting and if that happened you need to question that relationship for sure because if will if that happened and I woke up and I saw it I would be like because you can't wipe you can't be my husband you can't you can't be my husband or sleep in here naked I'm like that's a no I would be so just disgusted I would have to get divorced immediately immediately you

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combos oh I forgot to tell you about this so I don't want to say anybody's name because I just really don't want like bad karma or anything like that but I had this reading done and it was for like your natal chart remember how you and I were talking about that a couple episodes ago and then they gave me like more information and all kinds of stuff and basically it was like talking about my future and how basically Will was gonna cheat on me like in the far future but then when I like ask questions about it it was like well you don't really have

anything to worry about now but then my question is like okay I don't have anything to worry about now but wouldn't I if I know this information wouldn't I need to be worried about it now if it was gonna happen in the future to prevent like me from being harmed in some way in the future right like that's my thought process behind it and then I asked Will about it and he's like what are you talking about like stop talking to like a raw feaky or whatever like a raw feaky that's what he calls like astrologist and stuff he's like don't talk to raw feaky like he doesn't know what he's talking about and the total

scam and you shouldn't be talking to like that kind of person like that's complete lie like I obviously would never do something like that and all of these things are like very general and then it made me think like I wonder how many people have talked to a person like that like that got terrible readings and then made life decisions based off of the readings yeah you know what I'm trying to say yeah that's I think that you're not probably not supposed to do that I'm just saying but I just wonder how many people have you know oh absolutely I'm sure people have like could you imagine they're like oh you know so-and-so is

gonna cheat on you or already has and then you turn around and like divorce your significant other and it's like it wasn't even true and you have no proof of it right like that would be horrible and then will basically told me that I need to get my mind right and I don't need to be talking to raw feaky and obviously this person's a lunatic and doesn't even know us he's like does he know me no does this person know Jackson no does this person know you know does this person know Della no and I'm like why is Della involved like Della is a very important person VIP VIP very yeah I will think she's actually human

actually I went to go upstairs to bed the other night and I mean will goes to bed at like nine o'clock he's literally a grandpa and let's not judge because before I had the creed I also did that in nine o'clock yeah as soon as my kids went to bed I got in bed too so let's not judge here kill how do you not have shit to do after your kids go to bed like I I do but you know what everything can wait so I wish I could be that I wish I could be that person to be like okay everything could wait but then I go to bed and I think about all the things that I need to be doing so then I can't go to sleep and sleep soundly anyway so

I'm just like okay what's the point right right yeah I can't I would rather like my house will be a mess like I know that at least once a week I'm going to clean up all the shit so like I'll let things sit so that I can sleep and then I'll figure it out at the end of the week that's so good I'm so proud of you that you can be that person that's just not me and I will be up cleaning out my sink at like 10 o'clock at night for real and I wish but also I wish that I could be you and like go to bed at 9 o'clock but anyway where I was going with that was I went upstairs go to brush my teeth and I look over at my bed and I

see like this little black blur but it's like pitch black in my room and I see this little black blur but I'm like what is that and so I turn my flashlight on on my phone and it's literally Della like sitting upright on her back on my pillow sleeping oh I have a picture of it I'll send it to you it's really funny actually boot my dog Buddha does that all the time but why do they do that why they think I don't know it's very interesting hold on I'm sending you a picture of it because I need you I need you to see what I'm talking about so that you can just understand the dysfunction of what I walked into and

then you have to zoom in to be able to see that she like officially is on her back anyway moving on from that I posted a photo yesterday about like fun facts just you know because I felt like it was things that people didn't know about me right and then I did the ask questions I try to do that ever so often and a lot of the questions were talking about like Chris Lee knows best stuff and just like why they don't ever comment on my stuff or like why it seems like there's only one daughter and like all that kind of stuff and then asking me about like a strange meant and what that looks like and I think that just wanted

to dive a little bit deeper into that because I personally feel like a strange meant from family members and I know that you can relate to this is like a very dense topic and when I say that I mean like I feel like there's so many legs to a strange meant that it's different for everyone and I think everybody handles things very differently I'm pretty good about being able to put things into proper perspective and to be able to move on with my life however I am a grudge holder if that makes sense so it's not that I don't hold a grudge for certain things however it's not affecting my daily life if that makes

sense right and I think you had said something about it with the situation with Chris and with Lux and how you wanted to kind of prevent things happening with Creed and it made me think about the situation and a strange meant like people have to understand that I left the show in 2017 and that Jackson was still very little like the last time he probably went to Nashville he was probably three and a half years old he might have been early for so what people might see or think that they see looks totally different on the inside somebody who's three years old that doesn't see people consistently or those

people aren't around it's like you can't you almost don't you don't know what you're missing right you don't know right and so for that it hasn't been super difficult and I don't want to downplay the fact of him having you know like my parents in his life or whatever because I definitely think that you know healthy relationships if the relationships can be healthy are super important for those relationships to happen there's reason for grandparents there's reason you know for all of that however like you just said if you what you don't know you can't miss and I I just think that that's super important for people to

understand for sure I think for me in my experience not knowing my dad my whole life versus someone like who has had their father in and out of their life very very inconsistent I think does more damage because yeah I asked about my father and I had questions about him but I didn't know what I was missing and I think that in a lot of situations parents that do that have that they're able to create a different type of healthy structure I mean yeah of course there are people who don't like my mom but you know there are there are parents who their real father is not in the picture and they're their their biological

children can't miss them but maybe they have like a stepfather figure or a very like present uncle or grandfather you know what I mean but then for me it's like Chris is so inconsistent with Luxe it's it's gonna teach him to get excited and then be disappointed whereas for Creed Creed just won't know and so Creed won't have the excitement and the disappointment in the constant back and forth and then look to other people I mean it does create a separate set of issues yeah issues like maybe like abandonment or something but I hope you know at some point I will one day I will be with someone who's gonna love with

love my kids as if they're their own and I know that and and and if not I'm gonna do the best I can I think that the studies show that as long as there are one like one good parent or you know but the same goes for like my kids is the same as Jackson they don't know my my mom so they don't they don't know they don't know what they're missing in a grandma they don't maybe Jackson isn't really aware of what he would be missing in some of your family members you know well and I think to your point that when we were going it was strictly for filming it wasn't like family time or whatever so when the filming went away

all of the relationship stuff went away as well so I think that that also adds another layer to to the whole situation and right I agree with you not I don't want to downplay damage from the fact that your dad wasn't a part of your life because I do think that you do have issues that you've had to deal with by not having a dad but I don't think that since he was like since he wasn't in your life on a daily basis he can't mess you up in certain ways if he's not there right does that make sense yes they're just they're different but I think I mean I think I turned out okay for not having a father and I didn't

really I was curious but I didn't it's just very different than like I said the excitement disappointment excitement disappointment yeah I agree with you and then I also feel like for my situation I've always had conversations with Will about honesty with Jackson and just when a questions asked I don't want to skirt around things to blow it off for that time because I do know there's a reason that the questions being asked and I don't want to just downplay something for the sake of just getting over the conversation and so I try very hard to keep our opinions and our thoughts separate from the facts right like I

don't want things to be skewed or one-sided because I feel a certain way I feel like you know present the facts on a level that whatever age the child is that's asking the question you present the facts to where they can understand it the best way but leave your personal opinions out of it and allow them to form their own opinions and I think that people would be very shocked if they handled things in that way the way that the child responds I don't need to say say anything bad because I think that you know the writing has been on the wall so I just wanted to address that because I do think that a lot of people deal

with estrangement and definitely more than than what we probably know I think that you know family dynamics are freaking weird and everybody has their own shit and you know we're just all trying to survive yeah I don't people ask me all the time about toxicity and parents and family members and stuff like that and for me I just I got to a point where I just can't no longer whether it's my mom my friend my distant cousin I don't I really don't give a shit like just cut them off and cut your losses and and keep moving forward life's just too short I mean yeah and I think now it's a lot different than I feel like we

were growing up like it's more common than not to choose your family versus who like being close with who you're born in what family you're born into like you know what I mean because family you know the dynamics of families are so different and and there's a lot of dysfunction and I think as times are changing like things become more accept acceptable not saying it's right but like divorce children with different people and so it's easier to choose your family like I feel like everyone all my everyone that I'm close to like that's my family you know right like you've been able to choose those people based on

how they've treated you and what what you feel they're present in my life yeah yeah yeah and for each person that's in your life they serve a certain need right so there's a reason why you gravitate towards certain people and and why those people stay consistent in your life because they're fulfilling some kind of need and sometimes I think just whenever you grow up and especially whenever and I know that you can relate to this whenever you go through traumatic situations and you have been in therapy I think your tolerance for things it's not because you become insensitive I think it's your tolerance of things you

become aware right so yes within awareness you have to make a choice because if you're aware and you're you're choosing the wrong thing then at that point it's kind of on you right yeah when you're not aware and you're making choices it's almost like okay well this person truly just isn't aware and so the toxicity just goes in a cycle because they they think that they need that to survive because I do think people get in patterns to require that toxic whatever because that's what they're used to that's what they're accustomed to having in their life so it's just it's kind of like drugs you

know like people people have addictive personalities so you you think that you require that and right I think it's hard to break patterns and I think it's hard to sometimes it's really hard to wake up and be like okay you know what I'm gonna stick to this yeah it's it's very hard especially when people you know they're gonna change they're gonna change they're gonna change they're sorry they're this they're that and and and then they don't do you ever wake up on a random Wednesday let's just use that day and feel like man I wish I knew how my mom was doing no so you don't like you've like completely cut that off I I

won't go to her funeral when she passes away like I'm I'm there's no hatred there's no curiosity there's no there's not even love like it's it's truly indifferent I truly and I think like this kind of ties into like forgiving without an apology you know I forgive my mom I've I've completely moved on and I'm trying to heal from a lot of the things that she created for me and my childhood and I didn't I don't really need an apology from her I'm forgiving I've I wrote what I wrote in my books and I've fully truly been able to move on I think and and that's why when she called me there's I know that they're

gonna show it on this season when she called me it was just like there's there's nothing there's no reason for her to call me she shouldn't reach out for anything I just yeah there's there's no there's no feelings at all so just completely cut ties and I think too whenever you get in a place like where you are I don't feel like I'm super far behind you not quite there yet but probably not too far behind I think that's that's where people think when they hear these types of things you're like okay well you know that's an insensitive thing to say and it's like well you know maybe it's not as

insensitive is what you think it is based based off of the things that I've experienced led to this right and and led led to this point I think it's not insensitive and honestly I think insensitive would be like fuck you I don't care about you I hope you die that's insensitive but to say like there's no hate there's no love like I wish you well I wish you a hundred percent a hundred percent like I like that statement I've said that like trying to talk myself into it like for example when me and Javi were getting divorced and we would argue it would be like okay have a nice day like have a nice day and

it was pure sarcasm pure like you wanted him to have a terrible day of course of course at that time of course but like when I say that and I think of my mom 100% is like I truly wish that for you and I literally like there are absolutely no hard feelings like none and I don't I get that all the time too on Instagram like do you have hard feelings are you bitter are you and it's like no like I'm not I I truly don't have hard feelings I'm truly not bitter I've put all of that in proper perspective people have done what they've done it's water under the bridge at this point like I don't want anything to do with you

however I don't wish bad on you and I wish you well and I hope you have a great long life just not with me right exactly exactly you know so yep anyway well I know that you've got to get to where to say off is depot oh I'm going to staples staples I'm sorry I'm sorry I haven't been in one of those places and like so many years like I always go to Target or Walmart whatever but I hope you knock yourself out have a good time at Staples rolling through there I'm excited yeah hope you get some gel I hope you get some gel pens but I'll talk to you well I mean I'll talk to you like every day but I'll talk to you on the

podcast next week when are you and Chelsea going to I need to talk to her I we've been you know what that I need to schedule it because I have been blowing Chelsea's phone up with like house questions and I know that people love following like her house build so I want to be able to do the same I'm not gonna make it a separate Instagram for it or anything but I've been blowing up her phone with like house questions and stuff so I'm sure like the listeners would maybe like to hear that stuff so I'm gonna text her when we get off I'm gonna plan it we'll figure it out and then I will talk to you on the podcast next

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