Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 125: Boarding School, Murder Documentaries, and Lindsie's Cheesesteak Journey

Episode Date: October 8, 2020

This week's episode of Coffee Convos has a lot of twists and turns! Kail and Lindsie start off by talking more about Provo Canyon School, after Kat Von D recently spoke about her time there.  And Lindsie finally watched American Murder on Netflix, and she has a lot of thoughts on the details. Kail hasn't gotten a chance to watch, but Lindsie just can't wait! The girls talk about the details of the case, and raise their own questions about the murder. Plus Lindsie is still dreaming about the cheesesteak she is going to eat in Philly, but she learned some surprising news lately about an iconic restaurant she wanted to go to. All this, plus Kail's kids make a surprise visit, on this week's episode of Coffee Convos! This episode was sponsored by: Embr, Bruush, KiwiCo & BetterHelp Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Coffee Combos podcast. First of all, I thought that you were going to do it differently this time, remember? You know what? I'm working on it. I want to have one of those voices that people are like, oh wow, she really has a radio voice, you know? Got it. Okay, well.

Got it. We'll get there. What are you doing? So I made burgers for lunch and I'm pretty sure that I did not cook mine all the way, so mine's a little on the rare side. Like homemade hamburgers? Yes. Wait, how fast did you do this?

Like very quickly. Like when I was texting you that I was getting the kids lunch, I was literally just starting. So like Isaacs is all the way cooked, but mine was not. That was legitimately five minutes ago. So it has no marinade, it is just straight up beef. Beef. Yeah, I mean there's a little seasoning on it, so it's fine. You know what I like to do with burgers and people think this is so weird, but I've done

this forever. Even when I go out to eat, I always ask for a bunless burger or I ask for like a lettuce burger. So I do lettuce on both sides instead of buns and it's very good. That's actually so good. I should definitely do that because I could do without the buns. Do you have buns today? I do have buns today.

Good, good. I'm glad that you got a bun. So what has been going on? Well, a lot of shit. Where do you want me to start? Well, I would just start at the top and go down the list and see if we run out of time. I'm glad you understand me. I mean, I don't even remember what, like my life is such a blur right now.

I don't even remember like where we left off. I know that we're testing three times a week for COVID for filming. So that's been like crazy. And then I'm in the gym for maybe five times a week now. So I've been trying to like balance that with the school schedule. I got Sunburn on Saturday at Lincoln's football tournament, literally Lindsay. I don't know if Jackson has any interest in football. It's really, really fun to watch.

But honestly, sitting at that field from eight in the morning till five at night, I was like, wow, I don't know that I'll want to do another tournament. Wait, first of all, is that normal or just like a tournament? I think it's just a tournament, like tournament, tournament. I love how you say that tournament, like tournament. We're not turning anything. It's tournament. Tournament.

Well, that's like when people say like tour versus tour. Yeah. Which way do you say it? Tour. I say tour. You. Is that the same? No.

No. You say. Tour. Bye. Tomato tomato tomato tomato. So just like really quickly, just to touch on Lincoln's football. So Lincoln's cousin, I think I said this before on another podcast, hobby sister's son, Nico plays on the same team and then Lux's cousins play on Lincoln's team.

So it's like really cool to kind of see my kids interact all together and just like Lincoln thinks that Lux's cousins are his and then Lux is playing with Eli and then Nico is on the team, which is, you know, it's just, it's so cool to watch and I know it's kind of like, you know, not really great that I have three baby daddies, but like seeing all the kids like play together and not give a fuck is amazing. It's non-traditional. I guess what you would say, however, I'm kind of like done with that shit too, because I feel like the majority of people have some sort of blendedness.

I feel like I'm the minority, right? Um, yes, because you don't, well, yeah, I guess you, you don't have any really like blend blends. Yeah, like, well, like in my household, right? So I don't know. I feel like it's more common or I feel like I'm more commonly hear about people who have some form of like blending going on than not, right? So I think it's awesome.

I think it's mature. I think it's great. I think you guys keep getting along and keep playing and keep doing you, but staying at a football field from eight a.m. until five p.m. that's a no for me dog. Yeah. It was a long day and then we had football on Sunday the next, obviously the next day. Um, so, but it, um, it was a good football game on Sunday, so it was kind of nice, but I'm glad that this coming weekend will be like the last game.

It's a championship and then, um, Lincoln will get a little break from football. He's been going nonstop since they were letting them play football since like right after quarantine. So he's been playing for a couple, a few months now. So I think he, he's looking forward to the break and we'll kind of just like focus on school and stuff. It's interesting that you say that because it was actually something that I was thinking about earlier today and last week after we podcast was that I have a friend that has multiple children of various ages.

So like, let's say 10 and then four. So she told me that their family decided for an entire year that they weren't going to do extracurricular and they're, you know, church people. So just church and family time. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. So, um, I don't know. I'm really like leaning towards that because baseball has just been so rough and I don't know. Yeah. So I think it's like the combination of COVID and just like other outliers and me having

him at home for school, that it's been like extra draining, but it, it has been, and then it was funny because I posted a picture of Jackson and the dugout and the amount of moms that responded to the picture in my Instagram story was like, somebody better be helping you. I was dying, but like, and somebody wasn't helping you. Were they? No. Um,

No. About that. I just didn't respond. Cause it was like, you know what, if I respond, it's going to have to be negative, right? So it's just like, you know what, I'll just save it for the podcast and be negative there like my one time a week. Um, but yeah, anyway, speaking of, I want to just inform you what I look like right now.

Um, first of all, Jackson is going back to school. So when October 13th, which is what, like in a couple of days. So he's starting to get excited about it. He wasn't excited at first, but then when he started realizing that that's really the only option or just be uneducated, then he realized that's the one that he's going to do. So, um, I've been trying to like round up cause there's a whole different school supply list for the in-class that they need than it was for digital.

So I've been trying to do like all of that. I'm completely exhausted this week. I have no, no idea why I'm so exhausted. Do you ever just go through those weeks and you're like, I really haven't done anything like extra than I would do any other week, but I'm just really tired. Um, yes. Okay. So that's the moment that I'm at.

I'm still in my robe, my gown and my hair is still on top of my head. I did brush my teeth and I did wash my face, but that's the extent. I also ate a burrito bowl. So well, did you make the burrito bowl or did you get it from Chipotle? No, actually we'll made the burrito bowl. So neither. Oh, okay. Well, it was homemade is what I meant, like whether you made it or we'll made it.

Okay. We'll made it. So, well, I'm looking forward to coming back to Atlanta so he can make me one. Oh yeah. Well, I mean, don't get too excited. Like it's not that exciting. Like it's not like a trip exciting. You know what I mean?

Right. Okay. Fair enough. If I was packing a bag, I would try to pack you a burrito bowl for whenever I come to Philly, but that might be kind of like nasty. I mean, I eat food left out on the counter for like three days. So it's fine. Which is so strange to me.

Oh, actually Will told me this one story and I meant to share this couple of weeks ago, but he was like watching this one old lady who had kept a McDonald's hamburger wrapped up in her closet for like years. It had been in there like. Okay. No. Years. She had kept it all the time and basically like nothing changed.

That's actually disturbing. And then I'm like, okay, is this lady just crazy and like every week she goes and gets a new burger and like puts it in there and then tries to make people think it's been in there for years, but no, like she's adamant. Like it has been in there for years and that's like the supersize me documentary. They did that. I don't know how long it, how long they kept the burgers around, but it was a long time and they never like, they never went bad.

That's just highly concerning. Um, yeah. Yeah. Maybe she'll probably never eat there again, but probably will tomorrow. So I just, Sundays. So like my, I've told you guys before, um, my gym's motto is six in one. So you work hard six days a week, you eat really well six days a week and then that one day a week.

You get a big Mac. Yeah. So like really I have these huge plans to eat like shit every Sunday and every Sunday comes and I haven't been eating like shit and I'm like super bummed out by the end of the night. Cause I'm like, damn, like I really wanted that for cheese Mac from cheesecake factory, which I did, uh, I did get it this past, um, Sunday, but, um, the mo, the most thing, most thing, the most craved, I guess thing is a Coke from either McDonald's or Chick-fil-A.

Like I just want a Coke and I never get it. You feel me, but that's me every day. Not, not, that's not Sundays. That's like, just the kind that you drink. Right. We're not talking about powdery residue. Like this is coming out. It just sounded bad.

When I said it, it just sounded really bad. We're talking about what comes out of a, um, carbonated beverage machine. Yes. Yes. Yes. No, I literally feel the urge for a Coke every single day and I, I really don't know how to break the habit, but part of me thinks that the reason that I don't know how to break the habit is because I don't really care to break the habit.

Yeah. I mean, it's, I think a little bit comparable to like coffee. Like if you have one coffee a day and you're not really a coffee drinker, but you'll drink like one soda a day. I mean, I don't know about the sugar, but I mean, as far as like the addiction of like people wanting their coffee or their Coke is like, maybe it's the caffeine. Let me tell you, so will actually was one of these people. So all through college, like since I've known him, he was like an avid Dr. Pepper drinker,

like anywhere we went, he got Dr. Pepper, he would drink can Dr. Peppers like probably, I would venture out to say like six a day. Oh wow. Excessive, right? That's a lot. But I haven't seen, I haven't seen that man drink a Dr. Pepper like at least since we've been in this house and that's been like five years. So I don't think he's had one since then, but he used to drink him a lot.

But then it was so weird, like when he started cutting that habit, then he started drinking coffee in the morning and I'm like, okay, I just don't understand. Like, I feel like a lot of people break a habit, but then create a new one, right? Oh, 100%. 100%. But I also think that that happens in relationships, like in, it's like you go from toxic to toxic or you just like don't break patterns. Do you know what I'm saying?

Oh yeah. I mean, I've definitely been guilty of that. It's applicable in all areas of life is basically what I'm trying to say. Moving on before you called me, I was actually watching Kat Von D's. Did you see this? Yeah. Yes, I did it. She went to Provo Canyon school where Paris Hilton and my friend Rachel went.

Yeah. So I was, I just saw it this morning. I didn't get through all 23 minutes of it, but the part that I had gotten to was just basically like her confirming the same things that Rachel and Paris said in her doc. And then it was weird. I don't know if Kat Von D had like said something about a Rachel or something like that, but there was messages and like tags on the Instagram page that was saying like, was she looking for like your friend Rachel?

So it was weird. I need to do some investigating. I need to do some investigating as well. I was like, what the heck? Like what Rachel is she looking for? But yeah, it's so insane to me and I didn't really get to talk about this because obviously I wasn't on the episode, but I did watch it the same week that the episode released. And I just can relate to the documentary in so many ways just because I have a brother

who has been through like boarding schools and all different kinds of things. And I just, I don't know really stories like he's never told me any stories of things really that happened, but I just know that a lot of times when kids are sent off at such young ages like developmental ages, I have read things that say that because they're at an age, they're, what is it called Kale like impersonable? It's like where people can imperative like imperative. It's like where people can imprint on you in ways that could mold your thinking your future.

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Your future. And I feel like when I was watching the documentary and then I was listening to Rachel, it made me think like a lot of these kids and ways could have been brainwashed in negative ways, like not positive ways, but ways to get them to behave that probably wasn't the right way of handling the situation.

You know what I mean? Right. Right. Yeah. Like instead of doing it through like a therapy way to get to the root of the problem of like why they were acting this way, it's almost like, you know, you're going to be a military person when you're 15 or 16 years old and you're going to do everything we say. And I feel like that just creates a bigger issue with defiance.

Right. I agree. When somebody tells you what to do over and over and over and over again, it's like, yeah, we're going to, like Kat Von D was saying, she basically wanted to like beat the system, right? Because they told her she was going to be in there for as little as three weeks, but as max of whatever time. So it's like, I think mentally, a lot of these kids that go to schools like this, they're

smart enough to know how to beat the system, you know? And so they do what they have to be able to get out, but then when they get out, what's happened to them while they're in is irreparable. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's just like a lot of the people who go to prison when they're adults, you know, like they're not, they're not being educated and given the proper tools to be successful outside of those walls or they rebel because you know what I mean? So I don't feel like most of the time it's not really helping.

It's creating more damage and more resentment and more, I mean, when you're not loved the way that you should be loved, I think that you, you act out and you do, I mean, look at the bullies that are in school every day, you know, most of them have really fucked up home lives and they really just need to be loved, you know what I mean? So I feel like there's just, it's just sad and I'm actually honestly shocked because I guess my eyes just like weren't open, they were not open to things like this. And so hearing it from Paris Hilton and Kat Von D and I knew Rachel's story, but I just, that was the only time I'd ever heard something like that.

You know what I mean? I didn't know that this was happening so frequently and we don't even know about it. Like people aren't going to just openly tell you that they went to these kinds of schools. And then on the other hand, I think just like a different perspective of it, I think a lot of times when parents have the funds to be able to send their kids to a school like that, you know, I'm not going to call it a school because I don't think it's a school. It's basically like an institution to send them to a place like this. And it's like, okay, we're going to send them there to fix their problems with professionals

or whatever. But then they come back home. The parents haven't really learned how to deal with the problems, right? So it's like this reoccurring cycle that I think would have to be happening and then the child has been damaged in such a way because then there's going to be abandonment issues. I mean, imagine being at home, laying in your bed at 15 or 16 years old and someone coming in in the middle of the night like that and telling you basically, if you don't get up and voluntarily go, they're going to handcuff you and force you to go.

That's terrifying. That would scare any normal, I mean, not even normal, any adults, let alone a child. So my whole thought process with this is, okay, from that point, there's a trust issue there between the kids and the parents because the parents have basically set them up. And I do know in some situations that there are children with such extreme issues that they would kind of have to blindside them. But just the way that it all plays out to me is just a traumatic experience and I just don't believe in stuff like that.

So I don't want to like, I mean, obviously I've said before, oh, Jackson, you're going to Boyce Farm or whatever, but he thinks that that is literally like a camp where boys live and he's going to like have to work. Do chores. Yeah. Right. And that's what I told Rachel before because I never really put two and two together. Like I had told Rachel on the podcast, I've threatened to send my boys to boarding school

not knowing what that actually looks like. And so you can hear Lux screaming down my hallway because him and Lincoln are fighting right now. So. Brothers. I don't have when I would typically say that you're going to go to boarding school, which I guess is not an appropriate threat. I need to work on this.

Yeah. Like what? I mean, you go up to Lux and you're like, okay, you're going to boarding school. And he's like, I don't even know what that is. I don't even know what that is. The tiny terror. So that's so funny. So they fight all the time.

Him and Lincoln. Um, no, him and Lincoln are so, so, so close, but Lincoln doesn't put up with his shit. So, um, you know, when, when Lincoln tells Lux, no, he has a whole mental breakdown. Oh my gosh. And so Isaac is a pacifier. He just like, let's Lux do whatever Isaac is so nice to, to Lux all the time. Like there's no, like he's very nurturing, just like Isaac, he's going to walk all over you.

Yeah. And then he just lets it happen. I feel like that's, that was, that was me with younger siblings. It was just kind of like, mm, okay, I'm just going to let you do whatever. And then take the heat for it. You know, it's, it's fine. It's not fine. I mean, I don't know, I don't know because I never had siblings.

So I don't know what's fine and what's not fine. I just, sometimes I let them, you know, work it out on their own. And sometimes I'm like, I got to intervene here. There's always going to be a tattler, right? You probably have one. You don't have to say like names, but there's going to be a tattler. There's going to be a protector. There's going to be the baby, which, you know what's interesting to me?

I feel like Creed, I feel like Lux is still going to think he's the baby. Creed is going to be fine being the baby. No, I feel like Lux is going to still think he's the baby, even though Creed is the baby. Yes. I agree with you. I still feel like Lux is going to have that personality of youngest child. Yes. I, I feel that.

I, especially this morning when I felt like there was so much chaos going on, I got the kids ready like doing their school stuff and then Lux was wanting to be like cuddled and just like loved on and like totally, totally fine with it. But that was my thought. I was like, he's always going to be, we're going to have this relationship. Like this is how it's going to be. He's so funny to me. Like his personality cracks me up and he like, he thinks and also runs the show like

he does what he wants and I like it. Yeah, he's, um, he doesn't give any fucks. I will tell you that right now. I like it. Um, oh, and completely other news. I got a message this morning and it says, keep an eye out on the news. The previous case of the missing child found in Smyrna has been solved by the FBI arrest have been made and will be announced shortly.

The little girl's name is Emma, her mother and her husband lived about a half mile from the field, Brandon and KB Haas. They since moved to Pennsylvania. The FBI cracked this case. Thank God Emma was a beautiful little girl that suffered horrible abuse. She had three siblings, which are in state custody. I know the story rocked, killed to the core as well as most of us around here. Maybe you can say some kind words once everything is released and remembrance of her.

So what the hell? This is the one from Smyrna. Yeah, the, um, yeah, the one that was by my, it's actually my kids go to the Smyrna school district. So, um, I actually, my friends sent me the case this morning. I didn't know that they named the girl, the article that I have, they don't, they didn't name her in the article. I don't know where this person got all of this information, not going to say this person's

name on here that sent the message, but yeah, this one says this article that I was sent this morning by my friend says on nine 13, the remains of an unidentified deceased child were located near the last field in Smyrna, Kent County, Delaware, but it doesn't, and it just says police say she was Caucasian or Hispanic and likely between the ages of two and five. It doesn't say on here who it was at all. So I, I didn't know that and I'm, that's so fricking horrible. And I wonder what happened to the other kids and like, can I foster them or like, how do

I, what do I even do? Isn't that so horrible? Like I don't even know, but I'm so interested to see what comes of it and what actually happened because I just don't understand how the child ended up where she was. And then, but she's from Pennsylvania. I think they moved to Pennsylvania. Okay. Okay.

So, um, I just, the whole story to me just like doesn't add up or make sense at all. So I can't wait to hear more info. Did you watch the Netflix documentary? No, I did not. I don't want to talk. I don't tell me anything. Cause I have to. No, I can't.

I do not. I cannot. You can't. I have to. Cause I already told people that I would, so I can't back down on my promise. And plus the documentary wasn't really anything that we don't already know. Oh, cause we're like master FBI. So basically Will said that he didn't think the documentary was that great.

He felt like it could have been a lot better. And the details that were detailed in the documentary were basically everything that I had already knew. Yeah. Talked about. Um, I did read articles though talking about how, um, Chris Watts and again, this is coming from a third party that these articles were written about because he can't speak to the media, I guess, but said that he speak to the media.

I'm not sure, but it said that he was shaken and, um, disturbed by the documentary. It's like, okay, so you were disturbed by the documentary and disturbed by the fact that the text messages were released and the documentary. It's like, okay, well, so you weren't disturbed when you sent them. You weren't disturbed when you killed them and you weren't disturbed when you clearly weren't disturbed whenever you were getting arrested or investigated. So the fact that you're only disturbed because now everybody that watches Netflix that watches documentaries and true crime now knows everything, um, is insane to me.

I want to know, is he being paid for the things that are being done on him, the interviews, the requests, the documentaries, the book? Like, is he being paid for these things? Because I don't know that, um, he deserves the payments. With Casey Anthony. Yeah. Because she was acquitted. Right.

Um, I heard, did I tell you about the rumors I heard about her being pregnant with twins or something? I don't know if we talked about it on the podcast, but I feel like you told me about that and that she was going to do a show or something. Yeah. I was pretty sure that was, I don't know if that's true or not, but I did hear that. But I'm just curious to know if Chris Watts, I mean, this is getting such, and like the other thing too that I was curious about when I was thinking about the Chris Watts stuff

is like, how does, how does the general public decide which cases are interesting enough to do this many like things on it between interviews and docu-series, documentaries and books? Like, who decides that? I feel like there are so many cases that don't get this type of media coverage. So why this one? When I mean, I've heard of worse, I've seen worse, not, that sounds horrible. Um, like more, I don't know, on the ID channel, they should, they have, you know, family members that kill their entire families as well and they don't get this type of media coverage

is I guess what I'm trying to say. I don't know. Um, you know, unfortunately in the entertainment business, a lot of it has to do with rating. So I just wonder if it's based off of, you know, numbers of people tuned in, numbers of people following it, numbers of people talking about it on social media groups on Facebook. Like, I would think that the combination of all of that, the, the, um, public's interest in it would definitely have an effect on that.

I would think, however, I did want to touch on the fact that I feel like they missed an entire part of the documentary, um, in the case, just in general, in regards to the girlfriend, Nicole, because I definitely think that she had way more to do with it and knew way more than she let on. And the fact that she had deleted text messages, phone numbers, photos, all of those things I didn't know any of that, um, is a major red flag to me. The fact that she claimed that she didn't know the wife's name, but it's like, come on, you're dating somebody.

Like she was a coworker of his, right? You're dating somebody that you know is married and has sold you this story that he, you know, is going to get divorced and he's going to, you know, break it off with her and whatever. As a female, I find it to be very, um, interesting to me that she wouldn't have had an interest to investigate on social media, like Facebook. Oh, a hundred percent. I don't know any, no, I don't know any girl who's going to be in a relationship with someone in another relationship or a marriage and not like, I, right?

And I, yeah, I mean, not for nothing, but like I've had conversations even with like my exes, like I knew who they dated before me. I mean, I don't know that I like, like stalked them or anything, but like I knew of them, like what the situation was. And if I felt uneasy about it, obviously I'm going to look. Well, I will know who your extended cousins are because I'm going to click on like all your mutual friends and find out all of the things. Like when I go to somebody's profile and it, okay, I don't know if anybody has seen this

before, but if you go on Facebook and you try to like snoop around and you go to somebody's profile and it's like, you look at mutual friends or whatever, I feel like that person is shady if you can't see their mutual friends or their friends. Right. You know what I mean? Like there's a setting or something on there. Right. That's definitely shady for sure.

So shady. And so I feel like that in itself, just from the viewpoint of another woman, the fact that you know that he is married, you know that he has children, but yet you're not going to do any type of investigating. I call bullshit on that. I call bullshit. I agree. Um, and then, you know, people were writing in saying that there was a light on in the

truck and the security camera, like the, the home security, whatever that they got the footage of, that there was a light on that was in the truck and that why would there be a light on in the truck if nobody in the path on the passenger side, if nobody was in it. So, you know, of course there's like all these conspiracy theorists that are, you know, going out and saying all these different things about how the girlfriend was involved and so on and so forth. But it's just to me, I definitely think that there was way more involvement than what she's

ever let on. And then I also found a, going down complete rabbit hole found a YouTube of, um, a, I think it was like a two hour recording. I didn't get to listen to all of it, but just like her demeanor, um, and responses to the officers was so, the emotion was just off to me, like the way that she was answering questions and saying, um, when they asked her to confirm Chris's number, she was like, all I know is it's a nine oh one number and he was like, well, can you tell me what it is? And she said, well, I deleted it all.

Like I deleted his number and everything in my phone. And I just think that that's very strange. Like, why would you just go through and start deleting everything out of your phone? Uh, I mean, just to play devil's advocate a little bit, may, I mean, I don't know because I didn't, I wasn't aware of these details. When I watch it, I'll give you my like actual thoughts, but just from hearing it from you was like, and I'm, I don't know why the Scott Peterson case kind of rang a bell with, um, what was the least, but what was his mistress's name?

Um, it was, what was her name? Um, let me think it was, I don't remember. I can't remember what her name was. One of those things where it's like, I don't want to be associated at all. Like I can't believe this happened to me, but then also was it Amber? Yes, it was Amber, Amber fries or freeze or something like that. Um, one of those situations where it's like, I don't want to be associated, but then on the other hand, you look at like the Scott Peterson trial and Amber was like wanting

to be more helpful and give as much information as she knew because she wasn't involved. So yeah, I mean, I guess that is very, um, the girlfriend with this Chris situation is is not okay. Like that's, I'm trying to think of myself in that situation, which I hope I'm never in. Um, I would want to give up all the information. Here's my phone, take it. I want nothing to do with this.

You know what I mean? Like I have nothing to do with this. So that's, um, sketchy as fuck. It's so sketchy. And then I saw this one thing on Facebook that says, I just watched criminal confessions of Chris Watts and I truly believe that the only reason Chris pled guilty so fast is so that Nicole was not involved in charge and helping him dispose of the bodies after he told his story and the locations of where they were.

He was so stern and admitting that he did kill his wife, but when it came to his kids, he did not my, he said, I did not kill my babies as he's, as he pointed down to the table going into defense mode. What was the extra light on in the truck and the passenger side while Chris was loading the bodies? Why did Nicole delete text messages and photos? Why did she research, can cops trace phone calls and text messages? What did Nicole have to hide?

We all know Nicole wanted her own family, not what Chris already had. We know Nicole was looking up wedding dresses already. Nicole wanted what Chris already had. The video posted in the comments shows the detective explaining after Chris Watts pled guilty to their investigation and their investigation is over. And she feels as though the investigation was not over. I believe Chris pled guilty so Nicole didn't go down with him. What are your thoughts?

If 98% of the world believes Nicole had a part in the murder of the, of the Watts, um, why did Nicole, why is Nicole free and why did the detectives not further investigate? So I don't, that's insane. I mean, that they're all very valid points. I don't disagree, I, but I like, I just can't, for me, I don't understand how you could want something so bad. But then go back to that one case, go back to that one case that we covered. Um, I don't know if it was, I can't remember it was where the woman, um, was at the grocery

store last seen with her daughter and then the man killed her at her place, but then the girlfriend cleaned up. I can't remember what the case was. Do you remember that? No, I don't remember. Well, we covered it on the podcast and I, I forget what the names were. I'm sure you guys listening, they're true crime fans will remember, but the girlfriend help assisted in the cleanup.

I don't understand that. I don't understand how like, and, and I really, really work hard to put myself in other people's shoes. Sometimes like I really do. I, I can't understand wanting to be with someone that bad that I would be willing and okay and helping them cover up murders. Like I would never, never, never, never be able to be in that situation. Like you couldn't, if you are with somebody else and I know about it, I'm going to leave

you alone. Furthermore, if you're married to somebody else and you have a family with somebody else until I have confirmation that you're not, I'm not going to be with you. Like I feel like her knowing, but still pursuing it and still shows something is wrong right there because she knows that he had another family and she claims that she didn't know that they were pregnant, which to me, again, I call bullshit because it's like, you're not looking online to try to find out like what your man is doing that you're with that is a married man.

You're not looking online to see what videos and photos are posted with his family. Come on. Yeah. I don't buy that at all. I really don't. Like, come on, um, but yeah, I watched that over the weekend and was just completely and totally disturbed. Like I don't know how you can't, we've talked about this before too.

You can't get in the mind of somebody that would do something like this because I would never be able to do something like this. I truly do feel that he killed Shanann and her sleep and then he put her body in his truck. The girls rode alive to where he put her body and then he killed them and they had to ride with their mother dead in the floorboard. Like that's a sick fucker. That's a sick fucker.

That's, I mean, it's sick. All of it is sick. I don't, I just, I can't wrap myself or like my head around. Like the idea of like these people are capable of thinking about killing someone. How are they not capable of just like go leaving them or like asking for help, like going to see going to a doctor and being like, I'm having these thoughts. I need help. Like you have to know that one, you're not going to get away with it away with it too.

You're never going to be able to have, you can't like, you already had two kids and a wife and she was pregnant to turn around and then go try to recreate this with, I mean, and the other woman, Nicole, how dare her? Like she wants what he, she doesn't want what he already has, but she's willing to, those kids were half of him. So if you're wanting to be with him that bad, then you need to accept the children too. Well that's the thing. And then what, what a weirdo, like what a fucking weirdo, a total fucking weirdo.

And then I'm sitting back the whole time thinking none of this common sense wise makes sense. Like if you want to be with someone else so bad, probably killing three other human beings is definitely not the way to secure that, right? Like at all, you're going to get caught. And do these people really think that they're not going to get caught? That's the crazy thing. Did he deny it? I never, I guess, thought about the fact that maybe he would try to cover for Nicole.

I thought he denied it at first and said that they were like missing and she never came home or something. He did, but then once basically he took the polygraph and then the polygraph person, I don't know what she was called, but basically came in and was like, you failed the polygraph. Like I told you when you came in here, one of us knows the truth right now. Before we leave this room, both of us will know the truth. And once he started kind of having to tell on himself and his dad came in the room and he confessed to his dad, but he told his dad that Shanann had harmed the girls and it was

like this whole thing. So you know, I believe that he said that he killed Shanann, but he killed her because she killed the girls. And then there was these whole conspiracy theorist things about how there was some type of investigation with Shanann and she wasn't allowed with the girls by herself for like 19 months or something like that. So I need to do some investigating on that. I don't know if any of that is true whatsoever.

I'm just repeating what people have sent me and messages. I find that to be very strange because she left with them to go to the airport and to go out of town to be with her parents for weeks. So if she wasn't allowed with them by herself, then why did she leave the home with them to go to the airport? It just doesn't make sense to me. Um, I don't know, it's just, it's all fucking insane. I just couldn't imagine like wanting to be with someone and then just killing off my

family and being like, yep, this is going to make sure that like I don't have to deal with anything. That's so weird. Like it's just like a weird fucking energy, weird fucking energy. I don't understand. All right, guys, we're going to take a quick break to talk about one of our partners. Better help. I know that we have shared them on the podcast many of times before, but for those of you

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moving on to something completely off topic. I was going to get a Philly cheesesteak this weekend. And then when will went to look up the place that I wanted to get it from, they were closed. And does anyone it's okay, this is a funny story. So have you ever watched what's that movie that has the whistle stop cafe in it? You're asking the wrong person fried green fried green tomatoes. So I love that movie and you probably haven't watched it, but there's a place called whistle stop cafe and it's like this old little like shack cafe thing like on the side of the road.

And it will kept telling me this place that we went to was called the whistle stop cafe. So I never like really thought anything else of it. And so I had gone and gotten a Philly cheesesteak from there and told like a couple of people if they ever want a good cheesesteak to go to the whistle stop cafe. Well, first of all, that fucking place doesn't even exist. Like it's called something else will told me that was called whistle stop because he knows that I love fried green tomatoes movie. And he knows that I would want to eat at the freaking whistle stop cafe.

So he made up the whole name. I've been telling people all over town to go to whistle stop cafe to get a Philly cheesesteak and it doesn't even fucking exist. So yeah, it closed 20 minutes before I wanted the cheesesteak. But then it made me think of all the messages that I've gotten over the past week telling me that geno's is a scam. It's not a scam. Pats and geno's are both they're very touristy places to go to get a cheesesteak.

That's what it is. Like people were telling me that, you know, they met my friend messaged me and was like, you're doing it wrong. And I was like, no, I'm not doing it wrong. Like I'm from the area. I'm familiar with it. Pats and geno's, it's a touristy place to go because it's they've been on TV. But yeah, I mean, obviously you go to like a hole in the wall for cheesesteaks, obviously,

but well, maybe we'll go to a couple places and you can just give a review on your favorite one. And you can do like a whole video, a tour, yes, like a cheesesteak tour. Should we? Could you imagine? Yes. And ask going like in and out of the places. They would probably love that.

That's like, like doing like a, what is it, in and out burger and like Carl's Jr. or whatever they compare to and like see which one you like better. It's like that. Like we should do that for cheesesteaks. We definitely should. But people were like, it's a tourist trap and it is. That's what it is. That's what I mean.

Duh. And no, I think it was like a hole in the wall place and it was like, I'm going to go in here and it might look like it has rats, but it has really good cheesesteaks. Yeah. So that's not the move. This is a tourist place. There's no rats. Well, I know there's not rats.

I'm just saying I was thinking it being like a seedy place. Like, you know, a lot of places that have like really good food aren't the most like they're like a hole in the wall. Desirable looking. Right. You know, I was thinking it was going to be like one of those and like everybody knew that pats and genos was like a really good cheesesteak. And now I'm kind of like, well, I need to find one of these hole in the wall places

that these people are talking about. Somebody said Steves was good or something like that. There was a bunch of. Yeah. There's, I can, I can take you to like a couple of places that are like truly hole in the wall ones, but I definitely still think that you should try either pats or genos and they're right across the street from each other. Like eating our way through Philly.

Del Sondros. Yes. That was one of the ones that was a recommendation. Yes. So that's a good one. But how are we going to eat our way through Philly if you're not going to eat the cheesesteaks? I mean, I'll eat it. I don't hate them.

I'm just like, they're not my favorite. Like, I don't love them. One time I saw somebody ordering a cheesesteak and they were like basically taking everything off of it, but then me and it's like, okay. It's just like a meat sandwich. That's disgusting. It's like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, I have no idea.

Like they took the onions off. Does all cheesesteaks come with like onions and peppers and like, are there different kinds at the cheese place, the cheesesteak places in Philly or like wherever you get them around here, you just say like, you want peppers and onions and then you can pick what type of cheese you want. Cheese with American cheese, like any, whatever cheese you want, um, ketchup, mayo, like you tell them what you want and they put it on it. Oh my gosh.

It sounds so delicious. I'm so excited. Like I, I don't have to be on Sunday though, because that's the only day I'm allowed to eat shit. Okay. Fine. We'll do, we'll eat our way through Philly on Sunday before I leave. That's good.

Cause then I can snooze on the way home. Totally. You'll be like nice and like belly hung over. I mean, food hung over. It'll be like Thanksgiving, but cheesesteaks. Cheesesteaks Thanksgiving. Yeah. Oh, P S we got a ton of messages, um, that I can't share all of them because some of

them are just like, we can't read it on the podcast. Oh shit. About what? About people walking in and catching their parents having sex. Oh, thank God. Because I really was scared. Like I was scared to tell my stories. Like I was, and people texted me about it and I was like, you know what, like it's true.

It fucking happens to everyone. Get it where you can. And honestly, I think we should make a shirt that says get it where you can because you know what? I knew I wasn't the only one. I'm just very afraid to talk about it because, you know, people hate me or whatever and they might call CPS or something. I don't fucking know.

So I was terrified to talk about it, but that makes me happy that people, other people have experienced the same trauma. It's so funny. So one person said, here's my scarred for life story walking in on my parents. Oh, I thought, I thought it was a parent. I was about to say like, I'm more scarred than I think my kids were. You know what I mean? Oh, for sure.

For sure. No, this is like a person messaging about walking in on their parents. So it says, here's my scarred for life story walking in on my parents having sex. I was 12 ish and my parents were going through a horrible divorce. They hated each other. So when I heard screams coming from the bedroom, I felt like I needed to bust in and rescue her. I'm 44 now and I can still see them lock the doors people on another note.

I'm pretty sure a boyfriend of my daughter's heard us having sex at 2am when he was leaving our house. But hell, that's what you get when you stay so late. Oh, shit. See, I didn't even think about, I mean, I've definitely walked in on my mom having sex. So that's terrifying. Wait, you have? I never.

Yeah. When I was a kid. Oh my God. Yes. And the one, the time when I, that I can think of when I was really young, like seven, I wasn't really traumatized because I didn't know what was going on. So like, I really didn't give a fuck. Now looking back, I'm like, wow, that's horrifying.

And then the one that really scarred me was the one when I was like 12, like I was older. So I knew what was happening and I was just so grossed out. But so yeah, I think the older you get when you explain, did you just bust in the door? No, I, they must have not known that I was like home or something. And the door was open and I was walking to my room. So I like saw it and heard it and I was like, Oh my God, this is disgusting. And then I just never spoke. I never spoke.

Actually, I might have said something to my mom. I might have been like, I heard you. And then she was probably traumatized because she didn't know. But yeah. No, actually, I remember what it was. Okay. So this was when I was in eighth grade. So how old are you in eighth grade?

Like 12? Yeah. I think you're like 12. Okay. It's coming back to me now. So we lived in townhouses that were like connected to the next door. You know what I mean? Like they're connected.

So I was having a sleepover next door and I think I came back to get my stuff. Like I wanted to get my stuff to have the sleepover. And so it must have not been, it must have been either like super early in the morning or like super, like maybe like at night. I don't know. But I heard it and I saw it and I was horrified. So yeah, that was my story when I was older. So I don't have one.

You don't? Uh-uh. I just, I don't, I guess my parents were just very safe or... Here I am airing my mom out and you're like, oh no, I've never seen my parents have sex. I've never heard it. I haven't. It never happened. It never happened.

I'm telling the truth. Like it really, it really happened. It really hasn't happened that I know, well, I know, like I don't have an experience like that. I don't share one to be like... No, honestly, you don't because it's really just not, it's not a fun time. That's so right. Okay.

So this one person said, okay girls, let me just tell you, one afternoon the kids were busy. So my husband and I snuck off to our room. The door was shut and locked. And the next thing we knew, we had both of our kids knocking on the door asking what we were doing. My husband yells, folding laundry. They seem to have walked away.

So we went about our business and we hear the door slammed to the sunroom off the back of our house. They just bought this house and the blinds in our room were broken and didn't close all the way. We have land behind us so we didn't care. That is until we realized the kids were coming to look through our window. My husband... No.

This is the part where I laughed so hard. My husband flattened me like a pancake while he slithered off the bed. I was too busy laughing so hard that I couldn't breathe to move. So he pulls me down by my feet just in time for our kids to see both our heads peeking over by the bed while we were dying laughing. She said, our kids were asking the rest of the day what was so funny about folding laundry. Needless to say, we got no blinds that week. I don't blame them.

Oh my, kids are so, they know what they're doing. I swear. I swear. You don't believe you're folding laundry. They know what's up. They know that, you know, they know when you're lying and you're trying to just like get them to leave. They know.

Yes, I cannot. I was literally laugh. Some of these messages made me laugh so hard and I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like if that ever happened, I am not even kidding. I would run away. Um, yeah, it's truly traumatizing. I didn't laugh because I was just like, I mean the first time I did because I was like, okay, that was, I mean, no, fuck, but the second time I was like, what the fuck?

You know, first of all, if that happened, I would run away so nobody would have to worry about me having sex again. I would be so concerned. And then so many people messaging about how we are not alone with our kids just being nosy. God. Yeah. I'm sometimes I'm just like, whose kids are you?

Go get your mom. Yeah. Go find her because it's not me. Go find your mother. It's not me. I don't know who your mom is like, I told Jackson the other day because I don't know if your kids do this, but every time if we're in the car, if we're at home, he'll get to talking and it's like, he gets to talking so fast.

I think his mind is just like going a hundred miles a minute and every couple of seconds, it's like mom, mom, mom. I told him, I was like, I've officially changed my name. It's no longer mom anymore. No, it's asshole and you're not allowed to say that. Yeah. He's like, what is it? He's like, what?

What is your name? And it's like, I can't tell you my name because if I tell you my name, then it defeats the purpose. Right. It's so funny that you said that about asshole though, because we were at the park yesterday. This is no lie. Literally happened yesterday. We were walking and Jackson was like scooting along on his scooter.

And for whatever reason, Jackson and will like to tell on each other to me. And I don't understand what's going on. Like I'm obviously also raising a teenager, but basically Jackson was telling me something that will did and then will was like, well, if you tell her that I did that, I'm going to tell her the thing that you did. And I said, okay, first off, extortionist, like we are not raising people like this in this house. If you tell me something that he did and then you tell me something that he did, I'm probably

not going to care because you guys were trying to use it as leverage over each other and I'm just not going to care. And so Jackson was like, well, he's been calling me a cuss word. And I'm like, what? What? And he's like, he's been calling me a cuss word. And will was like, yeah, I did. And I was like, well, what have you been calling him, you know, like, geez.

So Jackson goes, you just called them an asshole. Yes. I mean, I've done that too. Like I'm like, you're being an asshole, like you little asshole. And Jackson's like, you should not say that to kids. So then we just keep on and, you know, I'm kind of like just taking both sides and I'm literally in the middle of them, they're screaming, carrying on. And I'm like, okay, well, y'all let me know when you're done because I tuned you out about

five minutes ago. And Jackson goes, well, he keeps calling me an asshole and then he was true and he knows he's not allowed to say like bad words. So he caught himself and then he immediately started crying because he knew he was going to be in trouble for saying the word. And it was just so funny to me how as adult, I don't know when you just start thinking that you're allowed to say those words, but then it just like becomes part of your daily routine like asshole, fuck, like, you know, when does that become a part of your routine?

I feel like, and it's normal. Like maybe like fresh out of high school. So you don't say it when you're, I definitely was cussing in high school, but not to my parents. I definitely was cussing to my parent. I definitely was. What were you saying to Susie? Like I would be like, I would say shit.

Like I wouldn't like, not like very bad words at her. No, like I would just be like, you know, you know, oh, shit, or, or I might have said like, fuck, really? You said I might have said fuck. I also, I mean, I also like fist fought my mom in high school. So like, I don't think that cussing, yeah, it was a good time at all. I would have been more. Actually, one time, well, this is, let me not change the subject to something so like

horrible. I won't, I won't go there. No, we can, if you want to, I mean, it's perfectly fine. All I was going to say was like, I remember like, it kind of like goes full circle for the episode, right? Like I, one time me and my mom fist fought in, um, in high school and it was just like not a good time. And I remember, I don't know if it was the same time or it was like a different day,

but I remember kind of like what Rachel said, like feeling like you're being abducted in the middle of the night. I had police officers come, I had locked my bedroom door and I went to sleep and I was just newly pregnant with Isaac. And I went to sleep. It must have been like maybe 11 or 12. And I woke up to not only was my lock picked and or broken in, I don't fucking know. Police officers were taking me out of my bed.

Wait, arresting you? No. I mean, I don't, I don't know. I don't think they put me in handcuffs. I don't remember if they put me in handcuffs or not, but I remember them removing me and like I was in a holding cell for like the night. My mom was so intoxicated. It wasn't even funny.

So like, I don't even remember, like it was just like a weird situation. Did they do anything to her? No. And that was the crazy part was like, I don't, it was weird. Like I don't remember why. That's why I don't know if it was two different memories that are like kind of feel like they were together. Like I don't know if the fist fight was the same day as that happened, but so when Rachel

was telling her story about like being abducted in the middle of the night, I mean, I was only held overnight and my friend's mom came and picked me up the next morning. I don't even, like I can't imagine like what Paris and Rachel and all of them went through. So like the episode kind of came full circle because I don't know what that would be like to be in that situation for like 11 months, 12 months, you know what I mean? So insane. Hold on. Hold on.

Isaac's, Isaac's asking me about something. Hold on one second. Okay. You're lying. Go get the computer right now. He's trying to get out of his zoom at one third. With who? Well, since you're on the podcast now, you have to come introduce yourself.

Hurry up. Hi, Isaac. Hello. My name is Isaac Rivera. How you guys doing? Oh, here comes Lux. He's skipping class on zoom. Say hi.

My name is Lux. I'm Lux. I'm Lux. I can't, I'm sorry, he's saying he doesn't have a zoom, but I don't, uh, go get me your Chromebook. Get out. Go, go, go. I'm almost done.

I got 10 minutes. He's basically. Chicken nuggets are burnt. Get out. Get out. Get out. I got 10 minutes left. Leave me alone.

Was that Lincoln that said his chicken nuggets were burnt up? Yes. I didn't even make him chicken nuggets. Did he put them in there himself? Is the house on fire? Do you hear Lux? He just busted it in my room and said chicken nuggets. Is the house on fire?

I don't know what's going on in this house. Oh my gosh. How do you have so many children and like all of that going on that stresses me out. Oh my God. I didn't even know all of them were going to come in here. I'm so sorry. Get out. Get out.

You've got one trying to skip school. You've got one burning up chicken nuggets that you didn't even cook. And then you've got, we can just call him. Wait, do you see this picture of Lux? Hold on. Come here, Lux. We're going to call Lux repeat because he seems like he's just repeating what Lincoln saying.

Well, he has, um, Toy Story pajamas on with olive colored vans, Isaac's sweatshirt and Isaac's glasses on right now. And he just busted in my room. So he looks like me. He looks a hot ass mess is what he looks right now. You're eating. What? Of my burger.

Well, don't because it might have raw meat. Honestly, just don't do that. Okay. Just don't eat it. The thing is he loves to take showers now because he wants his hair to be like Aquaman. So he wants it to be wet. No, it's not wet. No, it's not wet right now, but I need to put, I need to put my hair wet.

You want to put it wet? Ask Lux. Can he see out of those glasses? Can you see out of those glasses? Yeah. You can ask him if it makes it fuzzy. Does it make it fuzzy for you? No.

No. Are you lying? Oh, we need to have your eyes checked, baby. Is that Aquaman kicked his hair wet? He does get his hair wet. You're right. Can I finish my podcast? Hey, Lux, are you pooping on the potty?

He is pooping on the potty, right? Oh my gosh, I have to send you a present. She said she was sending you a present. Are you telling the truth? Are you really pooping on the potty? He said what did you just say to me? I'm sending him a present, and he's really pooping on the potty. He is.

I mean, he goes a couple days, he'll go poop on the potty, and then maybe he'll have an accident for a day or two. But today, I put him on the potty, even though he didn't tell me he had to go, and he went. So this is different than any other way that I've potty-trained before, and I don't... He knows what he needs to do, but he just doesn't want to stop playing since the kids are home. You know what I mean? So wait, can you tell me what it's like having a child that needs deodorant because they're

entering the BO phase and then one that needs to shit on the potty? What's that life like? You know what? It's very stinky. I constantly am reminding Isaac deodorant cologne, deodorant cologne, deodorant cologne, and then naturally Lincoln wants to wear it just because Isaac is, and then I got Luxe over here. I mean, it's not even just pooping on the potty.

The other day, and arrest me if you want, but I had to pull over on the side of the road three times in one trip because Luxe had to pee, and I didn't want him to have an accident, and we're potty-training, so he had to... I had to let him out to pee, and there was nowhere to pull over, so we just pulled over and didn't go anywhere. What do you do to open the door and just let him pee out the door? Well, I get out with him and then let him pee, and I'm probably going to go to jail for that, but it's fine.

I'm just going to explain that potty-training comes over everything. Everything. Yeah. There's just some things that you can't... I mean, I've done that before where you're on a road, and obviously you're not going in anywhere. There's nowhere really to go in. To go, right.

And I don't know if girls are the same as boys. I can only have experience with a boy, but it's like when they've got to go, they've got to go because they wait till the last minute to tell you. Yeah. Well, of course, I told Luxe, I was like, can you just hold it? And he's like, I got to go, I got to go, I got to go. I'm like, all right, well, we'll just pull over right now. So we pulled over three times on the side of the road.

In one trip. Yeah, I'm not even exaggerating. I was like, wow, I'm proud of you for telling me, but also we're going to work on the holding skills because I promise you it was like a 30-minute drive. Like it was not even that long. Well, what I did with Jackson when we were going places when he was potty-training, I obviously put a pull-up on him just in the event that he... He would have an accident.

Yeah. He would have to pull over a seat and stuff, but I would make sure, which it's a lot easier coming from somebody that has one child and a super plan because I would always like make him go to the bathroom before we left. And then I wouldn't give him anything to drink in the car. And then normally he could make it to wherever we were going. So... Okay.

Well, that makes sense. Maybe if he's having a drink or a sippy cup in the car, maybe just don't give it to him until you get where you're going. That's a good idea. That's actually a really good idea. Then he's not going to have to go. Can we please put on a shirt, mom with a super plan too, because that's amazing. Yes.

We definitely, we definitely can. That's that mom with a super plan. And then I don't remember the other one. Am I going to see, am I going to see your kids whenever I'm there? Heck no. No, no, Lindsay. You know what? I'm looking forward to this trip because I want to, I plan on sleeping for at least six

hours straight and having, you think that's funny and having no interruptions from little humans. So no, you're not going to see them. We're not going to see these minions at all. That's devastating, but also, I understand, I understand, but I, I'm slightly, I'm slightly sad. Slightly sad. Yeah.

I know. I am. Well, so what do you have going on for the rest of the week? Are you filming? Are you? Yes. I'm actually going to go to the gym at four o'clock instead and they have not gotten clearance to film at the gym.

So we pushed filming till tomorrow, we're going to get everything done. And then that's, I have like a couple of appointments, you know, for the rest of the week. What are you, what are you doing the rest of the week? Well, my whole week just got screwed up. Somebody that has been assisting me on some projects and stuff possibly has coronavirus, which I will say haven't seen this person since like before my birthday. So that's been like weeks, what, three weeks or something like that.

So definitely don't have any contact or anything like that that I have to worry about, but obviously it messed up my whole schedule this week. So then I had to rearrange stuff. So you know how that goes, like when one thing goes awry, then it's like, you've got to rearrange like everything. Yeah, I hate when that, I hate when that happens. Me too. I double booked myself today because I told my coach that I would be at the gym at 12

and then I realized, oh shit, Luxe. You can't put your shoes on. I'm going to help you as soon as I'm done. Let me hear my, my three year old. It's really nice, isn't it? Yeah, it's really nice. I miss it. I'm going to be at the gym today at 12 and then I was like, no, I have to podcast.

So I'm going to go at four. But yeah, I totally hear you. I don't even how, I don't know how we're going to get through the rest of online school because Isaac goes back at the end of the month only two days a week. So I don't, um, that's a no from me. We don't have a choice. That's our only option. If it's hybrid, it's only two days a week.

So it's, that's all I have. Like I don't, I don't get the option to send them back full time. That's literally so insane. Oh my God. Well, anyway, I know that you've got to go and put on shoes that don't even fit. So I'm going to let you go, but, um, we're understanding. Yeah. Well, I wait, will I see you before?

No, I won't see you before we podcast next, but then I'll see you like in a day later. Probably right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So okay. Well, then I'll see you soon. If you guys have not subscribed to us on, um, the purple podcast app for iTunes, make

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