Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 127: Love Stories, Growing Pains, and Hypotheticals with Vee Rivera

Episode Date: October 22, 2020

It's a Coffee Convos, Teen Mom 2 crossover episode as Vee Rivera joins Kail and Lindsie this week in Philly. Lindsie asks Vee how it felt to start a relationship with someone she knew from TV, and Kail talks about how it felt to watch her ex date someone else. And all relationships have growing pains at the start, so Kail and Vee tell Lindsie all about theirs. They round out the show with some hypothetical situations, like what would they do if their partner cheated and got someone pregnant, or what if their kid asked to have their significant other sleep over? Find out their answers on this week's episode of Coffee Convos! This episode was sponsored by: Babble, Embr, BetterHelp, & Homer Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

All right, everyone. Welcome to coffee combos podcast. We're in Philly. Good morning, Kale. I am drinking. You're not drinking that. I'm drinking. I'm like slightly sipping the grande ice caramel macchiato that has no sugar. No, there you didn't even take one full sip out of that. That's why I don't do Starbucks. That's why I do Duncan. I will say I agree. I ordered two things from Starbucks this morning because I was like, if I don't like the first one, I have a second option. And I was like, whatever V had like ordered sounded good. So I was like, I'm just going to get that. But I don't, there's coffee is so strong. It's like bitter. It's so hit or miss. Wait, we just need to say that V is on the podcast.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't know if you guys were going to introduce me or not. We were getting there. We were getting there. She wanted to be a part of this conversation. We already had this conversation about Duncan and Starbucks last night when you guys went to bed. Well, so V is on the podcast. Welcome. Thank you for having me. Coffee combos podcast, baby mama's no drama, podcast crossover. World's colliding. Yes. I love it. Team on two kind of two with coffee combos. Correct. Because we never had you on the podcast. I love this for us. I love this for us. We've been threatening that we were going to have you on the podcast for like five years.

I know. I'm sorry. I feel like I feel like something always happens that we just can't make it work, but I'm glad that we finally did this. I'm really happy to be here. And Joe's upstairs. Playing Chinese world, having his best play this morning. I was like, what is that? I want some. Wait, so we were talking about the Starbucks and Duncan last night and how I prefer Duncan because it has a sweeter taste and that Starbucks coffee is very bitter. Yeah. And this is bitter and also has no sugar. I'm like trying to stomach it, you know, conclusion that I just don't like either. Like to me, Starbucks is so bitter and just like

really strong and super expensive. And then Duncan is just so sweet and not enough for me. I feel like Duncan is so hit and miss when I go. Like sometimes people make it really good and sometimes people don't. Right. But every time I go to Starbucks, they always get my order on point. So that's like my thing. Like if I want a really good coffee, they make it right. See, I just like to go to Wawa and make my own or like my own like donut shop at my house with my Keurig because I feel like no one makes coffee right and you're right, especially for Duncan. I feel like it always looks like they put the creamer in and then you put a little coffee in the creamer. I asked for like five points. They are tricky. Like it's like a diabetes.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure this is whatever I drink champagne. So these drinking champagne, Kale's drinking a watered down something. What time is it even? It's not even noon yet. I've been drinking champagne since like 10 this morning. I don't drink and I we took shots last night and I'm like, this isn't me, but I feel pretty good. And this is why mom's drink. I told you the Siraq is so good. The Siraq peach is amazing. Lindsey was holding my nose while I took the shot and then I took a chaser after that because I am not a drinker. Oh my god. I think he'll have asking for more. We were like, uh, I drink like twice a year. I'm not really a drinker either, but that's like that Siraq is really good. I love it. It was good. But you said

I'm not a drinker either, but I've been drinking champagne since nine o'clock. I knew I was going to come and drink now. Yeah. Because I don't have any kids like I'm chilling. This is my first weekend away from Creed. Oh, we finished in that bottle. So, oh wow. Okay. Okay. That's the energy that I love from kill when she'd be like, yeah, I'm down like, yes, that's what I want. I'm going to get Lindsey. I'm going to get Lindsey a drink too. I'm going to go and do a face mask. No, I'm going to get Lindsey face mask and shot. I'm going to get Lindsey a shot and we're going to get her turn today. Just a little V. I want to see, I want to see like the wild side of Lindsey. Like she's probably so funny. Yeah, probably just like carefree hair. That's what I want. Oh my gosh. So

wait, I need to ask both of you. I have never tried a pumpkin spice anything and every season, whenever it becomes like September, whenever they come out with it, I always see so many people posting about it. And I'm like, I think I just don't want to do it. Because everyone else does it. And is it good? Like, is it legitimately good? And what does it taste like? I honestly prefer like a hazelnut or like cinnamon over pumpkin spice. Twins. Like I'm literally, yeah, I love. I have hazelnut as my thing. And I feel like it's so underrated. Like, nobody cares about hazelnut, but me. Every time I say hazelnut, people are like, what? Never even heard of it. It's such a good, like distinguished. I don't even know how to describe it, but it's so good. And I like, once the

holidays come around, that's like my vibe. But I have tried the pumpkin cold brew from Starbucks, and I'm literally obsessed with it. But I think it's just because the cream on top is so like, it doesn't taste too pumpkin-y to me. But this is a real, like this is the epitome of coffee combos. We're in a conversation. I pumpkin's okay. Like I don't love it. I don't, it's not to die for like, I'm not like, Oh my God, it's pumpkin season. I'll just, it tastes like what pumpkin pie smells like. Like that type of like, it's little, it's like God, it's this spice to me though, that I have to be like in the mood to have it. Like it's not my taste that I really prefer all the time. But it's, it's, it's okay. Like once in a while, but I do prefer like a cinnamon, a hazelnut,

like things like that. That's not a cinnamon, but I'm definitely into hazelnut for sure. I love that. That's why. Oh, you don't like pumpkin pie. I love pumpkin pie. Oh, it's the texture for me. I love pumpkin pie. That's my vibe for the holidays. I love it so much. So we have some questions for you guys. Shoot. Oh God, I'm scared. I'm nervous too. The first question is for B. Okay. And I think these are questions that probably have never been answered and probably everybody in the teen mom world would want to know these questions, the answers to these questions. So the first one is, did you know Joe was on teen mom before you got involved with him? Well, yeah, because everyone told me

when he sought me out for the video, that was like the first thing his manager said. Like he was like, Oh, like they're on this teen mom show. And then back then it wasn't as big. Like when I feel like when I started dating Joe, that's when it got super huge. Like that's when you guys started doing the actual seasons and stuff. But I did watch like the 16 and pregnant episode, but I wasn't, I wasn't like a diehard fan. I remember this one scene where I was cracking up and I actually was like this dude is so funny because you guys were arguing he had a black and mild in the back of his ear and I found it so hilarious because I was like, he is so ghetto. And it was so hilarious to me. My friend, me and my friend would always laugh about it. And then it was so funny because

when they hit me up for the video, I was like, this is crazy. Like we were just talking about this dude. And then like it all kind of just happened. Yeah, no, it was really crazy. And I but I knew about the show, but I wasn't like a diehard fan of it. But it's something that I've never heard. Yeah, like I've seen it. And it was still pretty new for you guys and stuff. So it wasn't like super crazy as it is now. But I didn't know who he was. And then I just did further research when I because I was like, I want to know who he really is now. Like I've seen him on TV, but I don't know anything about him or her. So I looked it up and I was just like, all right, like I'm just going to do this video and whatever. So what did you think whenever you started looking

up Joe? Yeah, I didn't think much of it because honestly, like I didn't, it was just a video for me. So to me, it was like, it was good for me because I was like doing my modeling and stuff. So I was like, okay, this will be good for me to like pop off and like do something. So I was like, this is kind of a good opportunity. Like I didn't look too much into, I mean, I didn't think I was going to be in a relationship with him. So I wasn't like, okay, let me like stalk him. But did you think he was cute like right away? Yeah, I did. Even when you saw him on 16 and pregnant. Yes, I loved I loved everything about his like personality because I he just looked so like tough and like what she's hood a little bit to me because he had that little crazy

attitude. So that kind of turned me on. I was like, Oh, he a little crazy. So what like really did it for you? Like was it Joe's rapping that like did it for you? Was it like the chemistry in the video? Like, did you have chemistry with the video? Or was it like very awkward? No, no, at first. Tell us the whole thing. Okay, let me tell. Alright, so we'll start with the like we met like I wanted to meet up with him before the video because I was really uncomfortable because they told me I had to do like this lingerie shoot with him like in the bed for a scene and I was uncomfortable with it and I said I didn't want to do it. So I was like, I'm not going to wear lingerie but I'll wear like a top and like some booty shirts or something

like I'm not going to wear anything crazy. And then I hit him up and I was like, I really want to meet you because like I don't want that to be the first time we meet and it be awkward. Right. So he was like, okay, like I'm going to be at my it was his aunt's baby shower in Jersey. So he invited me and then we met on like a Friday and I went and I remember Janet just like grabbing me and like showing everyone off to me like if I was already his girlfriend and I'm like, bro, like this is mad weird. But I like met the whole family and they're like, oh, this she's going to be in his video and then it was like a huge thing for him. And I'm like, wow, this is like really big. Like they're really excited about this. And then I met his brother and we were just like

hanging out outside. So I kind of felt like it was like I was chilling with friends, like we just all got along really well. And then I was talking to Joe and I was like, oh, I really liked the song. Like at the point, it was the Alicia Keys unthinkable. He covered it. Yeah. So that's like that was one of my favorite songs ever. So I immediately was like, I freaking love the song. Like, I think you did a good job. And then we just kept talking and then so it wasn't awkward for the video. We already had that. Yeah, yeah, we already had that conversation. Like we were good. But then like once the video happened, I was super nervous because it was my first video. Like I didn't know what to expect. And they're asked like we're doing so many different scenes

and so much stuff was going on. Like at that time, like it was crazy. It was wild. But I remember just being really uncomfortable during the hotel scene. But then he like looked at me and he was just like, he's like, don't worry, like I got you. Like you don't have to be you don't have to be nervous. Like you definitely didn't come across nervous in the video. Have you done that before? Like I didn't know what was going on. Why haven't I seen the video? You haven't seen it? No, we're going to play it and we're going to play Lindsey's reaction to it. We have. Yeah, no, I want to see it. Let's not do that. No, but Joe just made me feel really comfortable. And he was just like, you know, like I got you like, don't worry, you look great. Like he was just giving me so many

compliments. And he was like being super sweet. And I was like, Oh, like I didn't from what I've seen on TV and stuff, he was like a totally like he was a super chill and nice and like just really sweet to me. And I was just like, okay. And then at one point I was like getting changed into the lingerie, quote unquote. And then he like walked in, he like opened the door and walked in on me and like saw me in and I got so scared. I was like, Oh my God. And he was like, I'm so sorry. And he looked, he was like, you look great, by the way. And I was like, okay. So I was like, that was kind of like a cute moment. And so like everything just kind of flowed. Like after that, we were just talking like we knew each other forever. So I think that's why we just

were so comfortable with each other. Yeah, straight off the bat. So I was just like, okay, so like normal person. Yeah, like how far did you date after you were dating after the video? Or like, how did that? What did that look like? No, like after the video, like he gave me his number and I gave him mine. And we were just like, okay, like let's keep in touch. Because I honestly, I didn't think it was gonna, I don't know if it was going to text me or anything. Like, it's like, you know, like, you're like, you don't know if the guys are we're going to text you back or anything. But it was like 30 minutes later. And I felt like it was literally he texted me that night door and he's texting. Yeah, that's literally how it happened. But I was just like so nervous.

I was I think I was just overthinking. I was like, Oh my God, like, I like him like it was so much fun. But I hope he feels the same way. And then but then he ended up texting me. He was like, Oh, I like, I really want to take you on a date. And I was just like, Oh, yeah. So like he took me that was my first day ever. We went on an actual day. Yes, like in real day, he took me to Friday. That was like, great. Like I never used to go out to eat and stuff like that. And I've never been like on an actual real date before that. So I was like, Oh, he actually like wanted to take me out. And I remember just being in my room and telling like my mom was sitting with me and I'm like going through outfits. And I'm like, I don't want to wear I'm like, I don't have any

clothes. Like I was just so nervous. She's like, you look fine. She's like, relax. But I was so nervous. And I was like, he's she's like, you're literally just going out to eat and like relax. And I was just like, I'm really nervous. Like I just never been out with like an actual year. Like I've never been asked like physically, like I want to take you on a date. Like it was just so cute to me. So cute. And then from there on, he took me to Union. And he basically we walked around like where he grew up at. So he showed me like his house. We linked up with one of his friends and he introduced me to one of his friends. And I just remember us just walking around and he was just showing me so many different places that he grew up at. And I was just like, wow, like this

is so sweet. Like, it was just like planned out really nicely. It wasn't overdone, but it was like just like the sweetest touch. Yeah. So I was like, this is so cute. And then I got home and I was just like, Oh, fuck, like I'm falling in love with this guy. Yeah. And it was like awkward for me to like talk about sometimes because I feel like I don't know, I just get really goody. But it was like really cute. So you got butterflies for sure. I do. I feel like I don't want to talk about this. My stomach is like turning. Oh, that's so cute. That's literally so cute. No, it was fun. It was really cute. I feel like everything kind of just led up to little by little, everything. Well, they say, you know, when you find the one. Yeah. So you like

knew. I honestly, I think I did have that feeling. Like, yeah, I kind of did. Like I was like, I think, okay, this is the one. Yeah. I mean, not maybe not the one, but I was like, like, I really, there's some, yeah, like there's something there. Like I want to dig deeper. So that's basically what it was. Okay. The next question is, what were your thoughts when you first had to film? I remember being nervous as hell. Did they make you feel like you had to film because I remember like in the beginning, nothing was ever a choice. Like, it was like one of those things where we were like, the kind of red basically threatening us. Like we weren't, it wasn't an option. Yeah, they were like trying to run us.

It was like, they made us feel like we did not have a choice but to film it. And we were so young. So did you kind of get that vibe or no? Yeah, well, they were there when we did them. I think they were there when he was doing the music video. I don't know if it actually aired or anything. But I know that was the first time. And but I already had so many cameras around because they were just doing the video. So I wasn't paying much attention to them. And they didn't ask us to do a scene or anything. But they didn't ask you to do a scene at that time? No. And like, I don't remember MTV asking us to do anything. Like, they were just kind of there. So I was just like, all right, whatever. But I don't remember like the first time we ever filmed

just like 10 years ago. Like, I don't remember the exact time. I only asked because I remember like, when I met Javi, I met him at the mall when I was working. And they didn't they obviously weren't there to capture it. So I was in they couldn't film at the mall. Right. So they like made up a whole scenario. And like, remember my friend Gigi? Yeah, they said that that Gigi introduced me and Javi at a bowling alley, which never happened. Like completely made up like that never happened. And so but it was like one of those things like we felt so forced that we had to film this piece that they were willing to like make it up to make it make sense instead of just like having a conversation. And then they like, me and Javi like went out to eat and we talked or

whatever, which was also like, completely not a thing. But it felt like they we didn't have a choice. So I didn't know if you kind of got that same vibe. No, I kind of used to feel like that sometimes because I feel like Joe didn't really have anyone to film with that much besides like his parents or and then since I was new. And you know, we had beef, I think they were just pushed it so much like they were constantly like trying to get me to film. And I was like, listen, I'm not going to go on camera and say some shit. Like if me and Joe can sit and have a conversation, that's what it's going to be. But I'm not like, I just didn't feel comfortable at first. So you said no. I was super scared. I mean, for conversations about you, I would say no,

I'm like, I don't want to sit here and talk about her. Right. But they try they would make me film like with him like when we first moved in together and stuff like that, like they did that stuff. But I also felt like it was his life and he was on a show. So if I'm a part of his life, you know, I'm kind of going to be around regardless when he's filming. So I would just, I just didn't want to be like all up in the camera. You know what I mean? Like I didn't want to be just like, I don't know how to background. Yeah, exactly. Like I'm fine. I'm fine being background noise like to what he's doing. And like obviously I'm going to be around. So I know cameras are going to be around, but I just didn't ever want to be like a focal focus, right? Right. So I think

I did pretty good. Yeah, that a little bit like I don't think I've done anything super bad on camera or anything. Like I just always was like a little weird about that. I just didn't want to. So I guess the question for you is how did you feel once Joe started filming with a girlfriend with me? I think it was all like growing pains. Yeah. I think it was just like in general, even if the TV show wasn't a part of it, I think it would have been 18. Right. It was young. And I've said this before to V. It was like, I didn't want him, but I didn't want anyone else to have him. And I think that that's separate from the show. It was just like growing pains. Like I didn't know how to handle this guy that I had a baby with. I didn't want to be with him,

but now I don't want him to be with someone else either because we haven't really navigated what this looks like to raise a child and not be together. And now we're, we're adding someone to it and then we're adding someone to it on a TV show. So it was just like so and I have the chills because I feel like it's such a weird and like raw and like uncharted territory that like you just don't know how to handle it. And I think I got so much shit for it. And looking back, I'm like, well, yeah, I was obviously a frickin idiot because we were 18. I didn't know how to handle any of it. I felt like it was like thrown at me and I was already on this show. It wasn't like I could quit at that time. And so much was out of your control. Yeah. And then I was dealing

with like immature emotions, you know, like, so, but I think I probably did feel some type of way when she started to be honest. I can imagine like in your situation being the mom because they were following you on 16 and pregnant and then you're one of the main girls, right? And then knowing that you've had a baby with this guy and then the baby is still so young and then he has a girlfriend. I couldn't imagine how that felt because I'm sure your guard also was up like, well, I think him dating someone else made it very real that like, we're going to do this separately. This is what this is real. And like, not even that I wanted him, but it made it real. Exactly. So, and I think I was, I had already dated Jordan at the time, but it was like a mess. And then I

was like, Oh God. So it's just like very new, you know what I mean? So I don't know. I don't feel like there's like a right or wrong way to deal with it. I just think that, you know, having it on TV made it very different and very real and just like all the things. So with some of it, like another woman being in Isaac's life, like was that ever? I think so. Yeah. I think it was a little threatening to me. I think it was like, you know, I'm never, my parents, I only had my mom and she had like 12 different, you know, men in and out of our lives. So it was, it was, you didn't want that. Yeah. And I think it was scary for me to think about, you know, someone else, you know, taking my spot when I wasn't there. But like now I look at it as like a blessing, like a bonus. I want her

to, you know, be there if I can't be there or, you know, help Isaac make decisions if I'm not able to. So like, but it was like, we were, you know, I think definitely looking back, like I could see how scary that is, you know, like, right. And I always knew that too. Like I was like, you know, she must be just super scared that someone, you don't know if this person's going to be in the, the, the baby's life for how long, you know, it's, it's just such a completely out of the bond control. Anger is a secondary emotion, I think. And so I think my hurt was coming across as like very aggressive, very angry, very like guarded, defensive. It was all those things. And so, and, you know, the viewers didn't understand that they were like, why is she so mean to me?

And it was just like, I was hurt and I didn't know how to handle it. Like I just didn't. I wasn't lashed out. Yeah, for sure. No, I definitely, and it's, it's crazy to look back on because it was so long ago. So it doesn't even feel like it. It's crazy. Yeah, it is so crazy, especially being in the position that we're in now and how good we are and everything. So I think looking back, it's just crazy to see how everything just evolved. But I think it did have a lot to do and we say this all the time, but I feel like it's repetitive, but it had a lot to do with our maturity levels, our age, like just being on TV, like you add that all up and it's, it's a disaster. It's hard. Yeah. And it's raw as emotions and it's, it's super. And I don't think

there's like a right way for the world. Like everyone sees you and everyone judges you and you just don't, you get so confused because you're like, damn, like what am I doing wrong? But like those are your emotions, you know, you have to go through them and you have to, you just learn from them and you grow from them. So the situation is hard enough as it is without TV. Yeah, exactly. So then I add that element to it. And I'm sure for you too, with you being like one of the main girls on teen mom too, I'm sure you kind of felt like, Oh, well, what are they filming about? Yeah, I didn't want to be like attacked in situations. And then so like naturally, when I had to film about it, I would defend myself without even knowing what was said or like what I created

in my own head, you know, girls do that all the time. So it was like every day. Yeah, it makes me feel better that you got to do so. You know what I mean? Like you overthink, you get defensive, you feel, you know, out of place. So it was just, I kind of felt like maybe Joe was like, it almost felt like we were against each other, but really it was just like, I was against myself. Right. Yeah. Okay, so that brings me to the next question. And that is what was it like meeting Isaac for the first time? Oh, when did you meet him for the first time? I remember him being at the baby shower when I was there, but I didn't like visit, like I just saw him. Right. And it was like, it was

just weird because I'm like him, like I've seen him on TV. You know what I mean? Like I've seen him on TV. And it's like, it was so weird for me to I've never met people like on TV or anything like that. So I was like, Oh my God, like he looks just like him. But I met him. It was like the first time I went to PA to spend time with Joe. He was like there for the weekend. And I just remember being super nervous because I didn't want to like, I didn't want to like be too close to him or anything. Like I just felt really guarded all the time I feel because I just didn't want to get super, super close to him because I felt almost guilty, I feel. And I don't know why I don't know why I felt that way. But I think it just had a lot with me and like to do with you. Like I just

felt like, I don't know how she would feel if I was like all over her side. You know what I mean? Like, so it was hard for me to like just not be all over him and be like, Oh my God, I love you. But I was like trying to keep cool. And like, I told him who I like, I'm like, Hi, I'm Fee. And he would like come up to me and play with me. But I just remember feeling super kind of guilty for a little while. So do you think you just let the relationship evolve naturally and you just kind of like step back and let him come to you? Yeah, I think that's what I like. I let him come to me. And I would just like go off of that. Like I tried not to be too, you know, I don't I don't I don't honestly don't know how to explain it. But it was just really hard for me because I'm

like, Okay, this is his son. Like I'm not his mom. And at that point, like I knew you really didn't fuck with me. Like even even after the video, you just anyone. Yeah, they I wasn't gonna fuck with them. Like it was just a weird thing for me. But it's just a new person. When you're telling this story right now, it's so crazy because they're I mean, you came in when Isaac was two. So or slightly before that he had just turned he was one one. So Isaac doesn't remember you not being around. Exactly. So that's like, that's crazy to me. Like Isaac is like my mom, my dad and be like, Yeah, there is no my mom and dad even separately. You know what I mean? Right? Always remember us all three of us. Always. No, that's crazy. Yeah, that's so crazy. I know that she

like saw him at the baby shower. Yeah, but then also like saw his birth on 16 and pregnant. I don't think I saw that. I didn't see that. She's like, I'm not watching that shit. No, I only saw like the episode where him and care were fighting. Because my friend like sent it to me at once. And she was like, Oh, you got to watch this. This is so funny. Someone just sent it to me yesterday. Really? On Tik Tok. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's like an iconic. It's like such an iconic scene. I feel and he's like, you're like moving your stuff out of his room. Look at literally he sent me a text. Look, look, look. Can you do a video of it's like it's like fighting on the stairs and he's yelling her to get out. Yeah. And he's got like a he's got a black is a black. Yeah. See, like it's so funny.

He's just so it's typical Joe. Yeah. He's so young. Oh my God, Kale, you look so young. It is like it's crazy. He starts screaming at me. He was so mad. He didn't want me to go through my stuff. Like I just wanted to make sure I had everything. Yeah. He's like, get the fuck out of my house. This is so much built up anger. He like throws something at me. No, it's so crazy. He like put my stuff in trash bags and like kicks them out. He like kicks them out of the door or

something. Oh my God. He was so mean to me. It's an iconic episode. Yo, I feel like that's the one episode where I was like, holy shit, this is crazy. Well, I forgive him. I'm sure he forgives you to you guys were like babies. So it's you live and you learn Jesus. I mean, I feel like I once me and Joe got pretty serious, which was like a few months in. And I, you know, I had to think a lot of times like this is this what I really want. I knew it was going to be hard and I knew it was going to be a different level, especially with camera stone in our faces. So it took me time to really be like, okay, I don't want to give this up. Like I don't want this to get in the way of me being with

someone who could potentially be the one person for me. Right. I'm so freaking thankful that I did. But I don't know how you did that. Honestly, because I've tried to put myself in your shoes to be so young, but then to be with somebody that is so young that already has a child. And then to have to do all of those like big adult things. Yeah. Yeah, we kind of like all grew up together, I feel, you know, because we all did those things together and we were young. And yeah, and we didn't know how to navigate through it. We kind of just did what we had to do. But I don't know. I think just when I started feeling more confident in me and Joe's relationship, that's when I was like, okay, like I want to make sure I have a good relationship with her.

And I reached out to her. I remember writing you a letter and stuff like that and a letter. Yeah, I wrote you like a letter. I remember. I don't remember. Did you give it to me? I gave it to Joe to give it to you. Did I read it? I have no idea. But I remember doing that. And I was like, I tell you, Joe, like, I think, you know, this will be like, I want to reach out to her. Was it really long, like two pages? It was, it must have been really long. When I write, I like, I write. So it must have been like, you saying it, I feel like I remember it. But I don't know if I just remember it because you're saying this. Honestly, a long time ago, I remember it because obviously, like, it was like a real big thing for me to actually do. Like, I was just

like, I'm just going to bite the bullet and just fucking do it. So I did it. And I think that's like kind of proof to Joe too. He's like, damn, like she really wants to make this work, you know? So and I told him like this, like, I really want us to be in a good space together. Like, we don't have to be best friends, but I want her to know like, I'm not trying to be in and out of Isaac's life. Like, I kind of want to just be here and work on my relationship with Joe. But I can't pinpoint a specific time. But I think the letter probably was, I'm going to ask Joe if he gave it to me because I feel like I remember you guys talked about it and everything. Oh, well, I don't remember like the actual, um, that's so interesting. I wonder

what I did with it. It was like the first year within us dating too. So no, I don't exactly. No, I wouldn't. I don't even remember what was in the letter. Well, if we're being honest, I probably was like, what the fuck is this? Like at the time, I don't think you did because we weren't even, we didn't even like talk after that or anything. Yeah. But I just, I felt good about making that first step a little bit. And I was like, okay, she knows, like I tried like balls kind of in her court, like I'll let her go through what she's feeling. And then eventually I just always kind of had faith. I was like, I know things will work out, you know, right? As long as I do my part. Yeah, it took me some time. It took us a long time. I mean, I feel like we've been

good for years now. Yeah, we've been good for a really long time. I think it was like within that maybe like fourth or fifth year was when we started getting really, but we were like civil before that. Yeah. But then we like became closer and like the yeah, we started getting really like closer after that. For sure. But yeah, now. Yeah, I think I'm like his biggest hype man. I try and be that person that he knows he can, he can confide in and he can talk to me about anything. Like I'm always the one like if, you know, if Joe's being hard on him, I'm like, don't worry, I got you. Like, you know, like I'm kind of that person. But, you know, I try not to overstep either. And we've had conversations about this, which is really hard. But I just want him

to feel comfortable around me all the time. You know, I want him to be confident that he can talk to me and no matter what it is, you know, so I think I do a pretty good job at that. And just make him feel like, you know, he's your, you're here. And I know you have 50 50, you know, home, your home 50 50 with your dad and your mom, but this is your home too. Like, you know, I feel like he probably looks at your home a little bit more. I know I asked him that. I said, what do you call your dad's house? Because he always calls my house home. I'm like, do you call your dad's house home too? And he's like, yeah, yeah. So I always try and give him that like, you know, these are both your homes, you know, like it's not just mom, like your home

here too. Like you can do whatever, like I've always made it clear to him, like don't ever feel like, you know, like, yeah, like, this is your home, you know, like this is home. So I've always just tried to make them feel that way. I think that there are a lot of co-parenting situations or at least that I can imagine where a child feels like one parent's home, they're a guest in. And I don't think that any of my kids struggle with that. I definitely think that all my kids look at both homes as their home. It's their home, you know, yeah. I he might have felt that way before it was 50-50 because I mean, the 50-50 thing is brand new, brand new. I mean, he's about to be 11 and we've only had it for what, like a year, two years? No, it's been a few years now.

No, the reunion, two years, I think. 2018? I feel like it. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe 2017, it was around the time I had. I think it felt, I think it feels longer because even when we didn't have 50-50 on paper, you guys, we were still doing that for a long time. I think maybe before that, it might have been like a little... So I think like close to like three years almost. But now I'm thankful that he, because I asked, that was actually recent that I asked him that, I think maybe last week, I was like, what do you call your dad's house? And he's like home. And I was like, okay, cool. Like, we're good. That's good. I never would want my kids to feel like a guest like at their dad's house. Exactly. And that's weird. No, I don't ever want him to

feel like that. Like I'm like, you're here, you're home, like you can kick it and chill, like you're home. Like this is your safe space. You're in Vivi. I'm like, this home is your safe space. That's it. Yeah, she has a really hard time. She does. And that makes me super sad. That's hard. That's like the one thing that I've always said is like, no matter how bad things are, we talked about it before as like, Joe was concerned when we didn't get along that kids wouldn't the kids would never see each other. And so that's, that was that hit us, we didn't know, but it hit us the same way. And it was like, we need to get our shit together, because I would never want my son to not be able to see a sister, like, yeah, we need to get our

shit together so that they can at least get together. And that's how I feel about other relationships with my other kids. Dads is like, we need to get our shit together so that my kids can be with their siblings. So and like, baby, she's just, she's so obsessed with Isaac. Like, as soon as he leaves that day, it's always so hard, because she's just like, she starts crying and she's like, I just, I just want Isaac and she calls him my Isaac. So she says, I want my Isaac, I want my Isaac and it's like, it hits home for me. And that's when it makes it so hard. Yeah. And I'm like, I wish he could be here, you know, and I tell her, I'm like, I wish he could be here every day with us. But he has to see his mommy and his siblings too. And she's like, I know,

it's especially hard to when we say like, Joe needs like, extra time because family is over, or I want extra time because I'm doing something. But because it's 5050, if either one of us takes that week away, that's almost an entire month without seeing the other siblings equals two weeks. Right, because it's like their week, my week, their week, same thing. So if we give up one of our weeks, we're, that's three full weeks out of a month that they're not going to see their other siblings. And it's not even just about me sometimes. I remember the last time Joe asked for like more time because Janet was in town or whatever. It killed me because I was like, if I give him this time, he's not going to see his other siblings for three weeks. And it was, it was like, I just can't.

And it's the same for us too. Like when he asked to stay at your house, we're like, damn, like, baby wants to see him so bad. And she's like, dying to see him. And it's like, but you know, where do we, where do we draw that line? You know, for a long time, I thought it was like Joe saying no to me. And it would like piss me off. But then I realized when it came down to it, it was like, well, wait, if, if, if he stays over there for the extra week, I'm, what about his brother's like Lincoln and Lux and now Creed is like, I want them to have as much time because they're already, it's already in half. It's already kind of half. Yeah. And it's like Christmas or something. We're doing, we're staying here for Thanksgiving. So you can come to, okay, because

Christmas we were going to do down here. But since Joe's grandma is like really ill, he's scared that it might be her last. So we're just going to go to Jersey. True. This is true. We come, we usually come back the day of, or we could do like a day after or something. But yeah, we didn't have to be on like, no, for sure it doesn't. Yeah, I definitely like want to get the kids together more and stuff. Like I feel like we used to do it a lot, but like our lives have gotten super crazy. Yeah, it's super hard. But yeah, no, it's, it's hard. I couldn't even imagine like some Christmases, you guys have Isaac waking up with you with VV and then some you don't. Well, I gave them Christmas. Well now, yeah, now she like gives Christmas a lot. I don't do Christmas.

And I feel like to your point, if I wanted to do Chris with my kids, I can just do it on the 20th or like the 27th. Yeah, right. It doesn't matter to me. I'm not a holiday person. Yeah, I feel like yeah, I did ask Joe. Recently, if I if we could just keep it like, you guys just always have Christmas and then if I could always have Thanksgiving, because that's like the one he said he was going to talk to you about it. So we'll get into that later. Yeah, no, I feel like for the past few years, you've been giving us Christmas. So it's kind of been working out or like, we usually do Christmas Eve, Christmas Eve, and then so he'll be with us for Christmas Eve. And then we like bring him back to you for Christmas Day if it was like that. So it was still perfect for us

because we you would give us the Christmas Eve as long as he came back for Christmas Day. And then Christmas Day, we're usually headed back home anyway. Yeah. So but now it's like, it's great. But there was some times where you know, he wasn't there with us. And even we celebrate at my family's house and my family's like, it's so weird with Isaac not here. It doesn't you don't feel complete. Yeah, it's always going to be that one little thing. Like, there's always going to be a little holiday or something that they're going to miss out on. And it's I think that's the one thing that it's really hard to overcome in co parenting. So but I feel like we try we try and do the best job we can as far as like being in contact with each other. Like, can I have them for this holiday?

Like, we figure it out pretty well, I feel. Yeah, the problem with co parenting is the fact that it's not like a natural situation, right? Like, so it's hard to respond, I guess, in a natural there's no right or wrong answer. Yeah. Well, and sometimes it's really hard to not be emotional about it. Because, for example, I only see my family two or three times a year. And so if there's a time where I get to see my family and Joe says no, I can't have Isaac, it becomes like an emotional thing for me because he's never going to have a relationship with my family. But I understand that's his time with his dad. Right. So it's like, so hard. It drives me crazy because it's like I, I don't know if I'm going to see my family again until next year. So it's

hard. It's really fucking hard. No, I feel that the next question is, we all notice that you're often the voice of reason between kill and Joe. How are you able to stay neutral? And why is that important to you? I think it's, I think it's just because all of our personalities are so well, my personality is super different compared to them, I feel. And also I'm not really in that position where I'm the one making the co-parenting decisions, you know what I mean? It's between them. So I'm able to actually get like an outside look in and try and get the proper perspective. Yes. So it's always easier. I feel to have that. It's a blessing and a curse, you know, you have to know when to use it and when not to. But I think I've just, I just, I learned how each of them

are. Like I've kind of like not studied them, but I, I've just, I mean, yeah, I probably studied you guys. Like I know what triggers you guys have. I know, you know, I can probably see a situation and be like, okay, I know where this is going to go. Right. Right. I can already kind of predict, you know, so that's when I'll tell Joe, you know, this is how I feel like this is what I think we can do to make this better. Or, you know, if Kale talks to me about something, I'll tell her straight up how I feel about it. But I think a lot of the times they just have to keep in mind that they're not against each other, you know, like you guys are both trying to do the right thing, even though you guys have different ideas, different ideas of what the right thing is. Yeah. But that is what

we're trying to do. But ultimately, you guys ultimately always have the same goal. And it's usually Isaac is first, you know, but it's just hard to get there when you're both looking at just your side, you know, so I try and just let them see, you know, maybe, well, maybe she feels this way because of this. And then, you know, I tell her to like maybe he, you know, he's got this, this is how he feels, you know, and it'll just be like, okay, now how do we get to a common denominator, you know, but no, I think it's, it's really hard for me to like do that. Because I honestly, like Joe is my husband, I love him to death. And like, okay, I've gotten so close to her, like I love her too. So it's like, I don't ever want to see them fighting sides. Yeah, I see both

sides. And but ultimately, I just think I just think at the end of the day, you guys, you have to realize, you know, you guys are team Isaac, you know, it's not me versus you, you know, like you guys have, you guys need to be on the same team, you know, like no one's attacking you or vice versa, you know, and I think sometimes it's hard for you guys to think that that's not what it is, like, oh, she's attacking me or he's just doing this, like to be vindictive or something, like it's never like that, you know, like someone always has a reason for how they feel, you know, and it's sometimes it's hard for the other person to understand, but I think we're doing a way better job putting oh yeah lately you got exactly I mean even me for you like in other situations, like I'll

put myself like, okay, well, how did I handle it with V? How would V feel like I'll put myself in your shoes to try to be on your side of it to see like, okay, well, I wouldn't want V to feel like that. So let me, you know what I mean? So I think we're doing a better job in feeling like we're not against each other and like just at least maybe I don't agree with what Joe's saying, but at least put myself in his shoes to understand his perspective. Exactly. And I think we're getting better at it. Yeah, I think years ago, I was not like that. No, like you guys were solely like, no, this type of work, like you can't just yeah, it's been 10 years. No, no. Yeah, and that's hard and especially with you guys as personalities. What do you mean? I'm so easy to get along with.

I'm the easiest one. No, I'm just kidding. No, you're actually you're really easy to get along with like just to hang out with chill, but you know, it's different when you're working with someone on life decisions for kids like that, you know, like it's easy to be cool with someone and just be friends and hang out. But when you're making these huge life decisions with people, that's when she gets real, you know, and that's when you find out people's true colors and stuff. And we just have to always make sure we're all on the same team. And we all we all know, you know, this is the goal. This is the end goal. So well, now that V has cried and is very emotional, I don't know why I got that emotional. It's life. All right, guys, we're going to take a quick break to talk

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So you would never get it once you're going to do it again. Well, first of all, where the fuck have you been in this child's life? That's number one. Now not to put the cheating second. I'm pissed because you were. Why are you not in your kid's life? That's true. Like you're with a deadbeat. No, I'm good. It's the trust for me. If you can keep a secret like that. Oh, he knew about it for so long or like no. Yeah, he knew about it. Okay. Well, then you're even worse because you're a secretive. You weren't there for your kid, so I can't be associated. Okay. It's the trust for me. I can't. I won't be able to trust you ever. Once trust is gone with me, it's it's gone forever. I can't. Okay. Isaac is older and

wants his girlfriend to sleep over. What's the decision in each house? I'm out. Like how old is he? Yeah, no, I know, like old enough to have a sleepover. No, maybe. I mean, maybe he's not like a girlfriend or a girl like a little girl who's a friend. I think it's like a girlfriend, a girlfriend, like an actual girlfriend. Yeah, like a relationship. Let's just say a relationship thing on this. I feel like based on how I grew up and not having a sex conversation with my mom, I feel like I want open dialogue in my house at all times. So that's number one. Don't be afraid to ask me questions. Don't be afraid because I would rather talk about it and him know like what's what and be protected because at the end of the day,

kids are going to do what they're going to do. I would, what is he going to do? Sneak out of the house or lie to me to go sleep at someone else's house with her? Like I almost feel like you would rather be under your roof. This is the safest place. I would rather know about it. You're not lying. There's open conversation. You know, I talked to the mother who's on the same page. If she's not okay with it, it's not happening. There's no lies. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. How would this be handled though? In a situation if Isaac was trying to do that at Joe and V's before he did it at your house? What would you do? I don't think he would do that at his dad's house. I think he would try me first. V's like, no, he thinks he would get away

with it at my house first. You think? I think he would think that he would get away with it at our house for some reason. Really? Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Cause V's obviously because I'm not like, yeah, what he would think that I'm no, not for some shit like that. I'm not going to be a big calling me like, I would literally call Kale that first day. Like I would, she would know. No, you wouldn't know. Like I don't play that girlfriend shit. Like it's going to be bad. It's going to be bad. But I mean, I don't know. I think it depends like what age, what age is he? And like, I think it would be a conversation. It definitely has to be a conversation. But I feel like I think you are right. Like I would rather him and I say this all the time about VB2. I'm

like, you know, if there's going to come a time where kids, you know, go to parties and maybe they have like alcohol or do things with their kids. I'd rather you do that shit in my house. Like I know you're safe and you're, you know, you're not going out and you're not going to get caught by cops. Like I get it, you know, but I'd rather you do it in my house and be safe. So I feel like that's a good, yeah, that's a good space to think about Isaac going to someone else's house and like sleeping there, like a girl's house or like some friend's house to like be with a girl. That's makes me really uncomfortable. So yeah, right? I don't know. And I don't need like the the, maybe the other the girl's mom doesn't know. And then it becomes like, no, I've really never,

I've never stood over, like I asked my mom to stay over at a guy's house. I've never done that, like ever growing up. I never stood over a boy's house. I hope Isaac's like, I've never done that. So I don't know. So it's probably going to happen. I don't know how it's, I honestly don't know how I feel about that. Yeah, I think we're pretty good with Isaac. I mean, I don't think he's going to be like, that's like not on his radar right now. So I hope it stays that way. But who knows, who knows? But I honestly, this is, yeah, that's a crazy question. Like, I've never been through it personally where I asked him, can I stay where my board, you know, like, I've never done that, I would go visit and stuff, but I never stood over. That's no territory. That wouldn't even be a

thought for me to ask. No, that's no territory. I would have been killed if I asked that question. Me too. I would have been like, no. I remember in high school, my, the guy that I was dating at the time, well, I had already been like sneaking around, like doing other things, but I remember this one boyfriend I had, the mom picked me up from my house at like nine o'clock on a school night, asked my mom, is she on birth control? My mom was like, yes, that wasn't, and I went to his house and I slept over on a school night and we went to school the next day. Like it was normal. That would never be a thing. I would be killed. Yeah, that was never, that was the kill says, this is why my mom was very strict with me. Same. But I was like, I was just also very

to myself, like I loved being home. Like I never really went out like that. My, I think the years that I finally started like finding myself and like going out and like doing crazy shit was like the year before I met Joe. Like that was like my, like I went out, like, yeah, like after college and shit like that. And, but other than that, I was pretty, I was always home, like always. Like I was just on my computer. Yeah, I think I get really, I yeah, I've always been like, I can't be around so many people for souls. I literally just said that I get drained. I get so drained. Yeah, that's how I need a detox from humans. Yes. Really? Yes. Yeah, I'm like that. Like I'll go home and I'll just be, I won't, you won't hear

for me for days. Like how I live with just me and my kids. Yeah. If someone lived in my house, like a friend and we never saw each other, but knowing that they're there and like having the comfort of someone there and like we don't, we like on two different sides of the house, I'd be great to me. So that gives me anxiety. Yeah, that would give me anxiety. Like having people in my house all the time gives me such anxiety. Did I say this last time? Yes. I can't, like even knowing people are visiting me for a few days, I'm like, as Joe, I get like, go to embassy suite. Like how is this going to be? Yeah. Lindsay doesn't like people at her house at all. Like don't get me wrong. I love when our family come over and stuff, but it's like, don't overstay. You know, like,

that's fair. You know what I mean? But my friend, I know how we are. Like his mom, my mom, they know how I am. So if Kristen came to visit me and stayed for a week and like we didn't really like hang out for two days, but she's there, like that's comforting to me. Yeah, that would never be a thing for me. But I feel like you, like you, you find comfort in that because you didn't really, yeah, because you're like always alone. That's true. And for me, like it's like a, not a bother, but it just gives me really much anxiety because I'm like, I have to host and I have to make sure everyone's good and do all this stuff. And it just gives me so much anxiety, like, and I've got to clean my guest room. And then I've got to, yeah, it's like a job.

Okay. The next question is completely hypothetical. Isaac comes home at 16 and says he gets someone pregnant. Okay. So what do you do? Here's my, I feel like this, no matter what I say, it's going to be controversial. And I have so many thoughts about it. So like, I think a really big misconception for a lot of people is like, with a boy, you don't have to worry about things like that because it's the boy that's not being pregnant. But here's my thing. I didn't raise a fucking deadbeat. So we're going to be basically up the ass of the, the mom and the grandmother to be a part of this kid's life. We're going to help you raise this child. You're going to continue to go to school. And I think that's the other thing is like, the first thought is to drop out of

school. Like there's so many people is like to drop out of school. No, we're going to help you to push through school. And then to go get a further, you know, like, and you're going to ride it out. You're going to ride it out. I don't care if you have to sleep, no sleep. And you're going to go to college. You know what I'm saying? You know, whatever that looks like, anything you're going harder now, like everything has to go full throttle. Like this is what it is. I don't, I can't speak for Vee and Joe, but for me, if I'm taking the kid to work with me, because you need to go to college, we're going to do that because I'm not going to allow you to sit here and use this as an excuse to get out of all of the things. Right. So we're going to keep it pushing.

Yeah. I mean, I think I, I think I would be a little, I'd be upset. I'd be pissed and upset, but it's like, you chose to do this. And if you want to keep the baby, then we need to all work together to, it takes a village for anybody, even at 40, 45, you know, so not that I would be excited about it, but it would be like, we're going to make this work. I mean, Joe and, not Joe and Vee, Joe and his parents took me under their wing and made it happen and, and helped us. You know what I mean? So if we didn't have that, where the hell would we be? We would be another statistic. Why am I going to help you be another statistic? I want to encourage you to do better. Yeah, we know better at this point. So no, I think I would, I would be so disappointed.

And I would, of course, it would take me a long time to get over it, you know, but I would just, it's not even up to us to make that decision too. This goes back to what we were talking about with Joe in our podcast. Like it's up to the late, is the girl, she's going to make that decision, whether she wants to keep it or whatnot, you know, so we just have to go by that and, you know, tell him, you know, tell him, you need to, you need to be there for her, you know, she's going to depend on you to make these decisions, you know, and she wants to know you're there. So as long as you're doing your part and, you know, we've got your back, then that's what we're going to do. You did your part. So you're going to do

your part, right? You know, like y'all laid in bed together, then you, you made your bed, you know, like this is, this is what it is. We're going to have to lay in it now. So I love both of those answers. Yeah. That's crazy. The next question is how would either of you respond if the other party decided to move across the country? I definitely asked Joe if we can move to Texas, and he said no. She's asked through that through the answer before she asked. Yeah, but I was like, well, if I don't ask at all, then it's definitely a no. I feel like at this point, if they were like, Kale, we really want to move here, like to another state, I would be like, okay, what are your reasons? And like, can I work there too? Like, is there,

obviously, if they're going to ask to move across the country, they already have like answers about Isaac, something in place, something in place for Isaac, you know, plans or whatever, I feel like I would be like, well, am I going to be able to work there? Am I going to have, you know, for my other kids? And I have to look at that was my question for you, like, since you have three co-parenting situations, what would that look like? So have you got orders to Colorado and did not take them? Because he knew that I wasn't going to let him take, you know what I mean? So he was just like, I'm not going to take them. But I think in a perfect world, if there was a situation where it would work out for everybody, I would be game. Yeah, definitely.

But I just feel like in our specific world and our dynamic, stuff like that is not just going to happen. Like that takes a huge conversation. Like that's not just on a whim, like, oh, we're moving across the country. At this point, because of Javi's gym being in Delaware, it's just out of the question as a whole, like, as our businesses being in Delaware, like Joe's whole franchise is Delaware, Delaware. And that's the whole state that he's in, you know, so he would have to buy a whole nother franchise if we moved. But like for me and you, we would be able to work anywhere. Yeah, we were, we have our businesses. Yeah, for me, it doesn't matter. Like I, but Joe, I don't think, I don't think he would ever be doing that. So y'all are basically staying in Delaware is what

you're saying. I mean, if we ever decided we wanted scholarship somewhere, I'm probably going to go there. Yeah, we'll see. You said so. Okay, this is kind of a funny one. I'm going to be that crazy mom that follows like my kids everywhere. And so when they're in two different, if they're in four different states, like, where do I go? I can't pick my favorite child. Yeah. So I guess like yearly, we're going to decide, yeah, just sign a lease. This is a funny one. You find that your kid has decided to play in their poop, and it's all over their room and wall. How do you react? I throw the whole house away. No, I would vomit. Yeah, I think I would. I was about to say that I'm going to vomit because

the smell of that shit is number one. No, not it. Like, I will die. I feel bad for parents that have to deal with that because I've never had to deal with that. And I had it happen to me one time, not, not my child, but I was keeping a nursery at church and it happened. And I honestly didn't know what to do. Like I pressed the pager button. I might have stayed at my house one time. I'm not equipped. And her daughter did it at my house. I had like, literally like dig in the diaper, right? Or dug. Yeah. And I was like, um, I was like, you know, I'll get you the cleaning supplies, but I'm not, I'm not. I've had like big explosions happen, even working at the daycare years ago, stuff like that. And I could barely, I could barely handle that. I can't imagine

having shit on my wall. Like did that already don't like kids, but I have four. She don't like kids. I really don't. Like I only like me and my friends, kids. And that's it. Like I don't, if I don't know you, I don't really like your kid. I kind of feel the same way. So like, what would you really do if you feel the same way? I thought I was crazy. People probably think I'm so rude. What? Not that I don't like them. I don't know how to interact with them. I don't know how to interact with someone. Like if Jackson came up to me, I could talk to him because I like know him. Yeah. Same for Vivi. It's like, Hey, Vivi, like what's up? Like, you know, yeah, Vivi just starts talking to me. Kids that I don't know. What do you want me to like? I talk to all my kids little shits. Like

I can't call someone's random kid. Like I'm like, wow, Lincoln, you're being an asshole today. Like stop. Get your head out of your ass and keep it pushing. Stop being an asshole. Right. So like I can't talk to like someone else's kids like that. Exactly. I also like that. You are the same way. Yes. I'm, I'm like, or like what, how would you handle a situation if like someone's mean to Jackson and you witness it? Do you say something even with the parent in front of them? Like, how does that work? I'm going up to you. Like, who the fuck do you think you're talking to? Period. Back up. Like you yell at someone else's kid? Yes, I will. I will be like, what is wrong with you? See, I have, I'm weird about it. I've had someone, I've had Vivi somewhere.

I don't, I don't remember exactly where we were, but one of their kids was like being super aggressive with her. And I went up to the lady and I was like, is this just, is this your son? And she's like, yeah, this is my son. And I was like, well, can you let him stay away from my daughter because she's very uncomfortable. And I don't like what I'm seeing. Like I told her straight up and she was like, Oh my God, I'm so sorry. I was like, thank you. But see, that's, that's so mad because like you're looking at him too. Like don't act like I'm being like, I can see you fucking looking at your kid being an animal parent. Like I'm not one of those parents that like, if you, if one of you told me like Isaac or Lincoln did something, I'm like, okay, let me get to the bottom of it.

I'm not the type of parent that's like, Oh, my child would never do that. And I feel like I dealt with a lot of parents like that that are like, they are children or angels and don't do that. And I'm like, no, I, your, your son's an asshole. It can happen. You know, I feel really uncomfortable with the confrontation. Like I got in a fight with somebody. I think it's just like my, my shit just comes out. Like I just get, it just comes out. Like I don't like confrontation either. But I, when it comes, when it comes to the kids, I don't, I do not hold back. I don't, I guess in sports, I'm an asshole. Oh, sports, you're like a fucking shark. You're crazy. I was at Isaac or Lincoln's basketball game because they were, they told them Isaac that he

sucked. I remember that. And I said something to the mom and she was in denial. She was like, well, your son, and I was like, no, he didn't because I saw the whole thing. I was like, your son's a dick. So, but I didn't like it. It made me really uncomfortable. It did. It never made sense. I've actually been in two different altercations at Chick-fil-A playground. One of them was a kid with spitting from the top. You spit on my kid. It's over. I'm fighting. Like I am fighting. You spit on my child. I'm in prison. I showed my ass and I was like, first of all, your kid is in there with bodily fluids going places that they shouldn't be going. Secondly, we need to find a fucking cleanup crew immediately. And third, you need

to get your fucking kid out. Get out. I own a Chick-fil-A. No, I don't play that. Get out. Then there was another time that a kid was sitting on top of the slide, like at the Chick-fil-A, and when kids would come down, he would hit him on top of the head. Oh no. So I went in and I was like, who do you belong to? Yeah, I do the same shit. And the mom was like, he's mine. And I was like, okay, so do you see him sitting here hitting kids on top of the head? That's my kid. Yeah, I wish you would. I was I was definitely caring. I was like, let me go get the manager. Like, I jump at kids. I'd be like, what the fuck? Back to Funko. Yeah, seriously, like, don't mess, don't mess with our children, basically, for anybody listening. If you see us at the Chick-fil-A

playground, know your fucking place. Know your fucking place at the Chick-fil-A playground. Know your fucking place. That's the only place we play. Shit will get live real fucking quick in this Chick-fil-A playground. Yeah. Oh my gosh. All right, guys, well, I think that is all we have time for today. If you have not subscribed to us on the purple podcast app for iTunes, make sure you subscribe to coffee combos and baby mama's no drama. We love this episode and we hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon. See ya. Bye guys.