Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 129: Dating Apps, Assumptions, and Philly Cheesesteaks

Episode Date: November 5, 2020

On this week's episode of Coffee Convos, Kail and Lindsie are still in Philly, and Lindsie's mic is still screwy. Don't worry though, next week it will be back to good quality audio! In this episode, Kail and Lindsie discuss dating apps, whether or not they have ever used them, and what their opinions are. Plus they asked you guys to submit some assumptions you have about them, and they talk about whether or not they are true. And Lindsie finally got her Philly cheese steak, but was it as good as she hoped? This episode was sponsored by: Better Help, Bruush, Embr, KiwiCo Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

three two one recording you were already recording I know that's the new intro hey guys welcome to coffee combos podcast it's kale no it's it's kale with five lashes it's oh it's kale with three lashes hanging on for dear life and it's Lindsay with no lashes because I ripped them all off so my lash extensions I'm never doing eyelash extensions again we say this every time that we do it you're right and then we do it again yeah later though for sure but it they look so good and they're so great on a regular basis until you have to get a fill but like even the fills are not convenient I picked them off oh see I don't pick them

off until there's two left and I have none left like not even real ones left I want to know why it takes two hours to get eyelash fills I don't know and I can't I don't have time and then they itch me because when I get in the shower I like to like be able to like scrub my eyes same and you can't do that right or do you do that no I mean I do it without the lashes and how long did your lash extensions last it depends who does them the lot the first time I got them done this time they lasted like 10 days and then it was 10 days to you have to lay there for two hours or something to last 10 days and it's frustrating yeah and

then a fill is like 75 dollars I don't have I don't have the time and the patience and the money for that neither it's it's a commitment so I'm off the commitment I just want my real lashes back somebody told me to use Vaseline to grow them back I don't know if that's legitimate no somebody told me that so maybe you just like eat your vitamins eat your vitamins take your vitamin take them same thing so what do you think about Philly um I like it yeah did you have a cheesesteak yet I did I've had two cheesesteaks this point great yeah and it was weird because it was kind of like the cheesesteak that I chose there was

so many different options but the one that I got there's so many different one of us when you go and get a cheesesteak at the whistle stop cafe that's not the whistle stop we've talked about that on another episode it's called I forget what it's called but it's just like some little place you literally just have to like drive off the road really fast it's just like a little hut just like sitting there I have no idea how we'll be on this place but it's like you order a cheesesteak and it's just you just get that one thing like it's not you don't have like all these options when I looked at the menu

on uber eats for all these cheesesteaks there was so many different options of things and I got one that was more like a sandwich so it was like there was all these bread options so you could get it said like roll and then roll with seed and then wrap and I was like oh wrap that might be like a like a no like a tortilla that's that's what I meant and then I knew like the roll was was maybe like a roll like but I didn't think it would be like a hoagie but it came it was like a hoagie but then it had mayo on it and it had lettuce and tomato on it like it was like a sandwich and I've never had one like that did you pick

your own cheese yeah I picked because you can literally pick a problem from like cheese whiz all the way up to like American or Provolone is cheese whiz customary to Philly or is that like everywhere I've never had that before well Philly cheesesteak I think is customary to Philly well really like so I think in Philly you can literally put anything you want on a Philly cheesesteak like when you go to Pat's and Gino's on Sunday anything that you want on your cheesesteak you can get it okay so I wanted like like they have all different kinds of topics yes it's like an ice cream plate so it's basically like

subway yes and you just get like whatever yes that's strange to me like Philly connection at home it's literally like you get one thing but why do they call it that and it's not even in Philly I don't know okay that's like the Mexican restaurant it's not in Mexico no that's not the same mm-hmm it's basically the same I'm pretty sure I don't know what's going on next word you hear this this is Philly though like I totally parked all the way on the sidewalk and that's normal and moved a bumper to get there well I didn't move the bumper I didn't hit the bumper either someone else moved the bumper for me to park on

the sidewalk there was a random bumper when we got to our Airbnb just like hanging out on the sidewalk and there was no parking so Kale drove her car up on the sidewalk and it's still parked there and who knows if it's gonna get towed I put my mirrors in though so hopefully no one hits my truck wait what were we gonna say we were talking about it before we got on here we want to talk about dating apps oh yeah and we were gonna talk about assumptions that people have about us okay so this morning Kale's assistant Kristen who has put together our entire weekend which was amazing by the way because I think we

pretty much stayed on schedule minus the fact that Kale was an hour late to no no no okay time out because I didn't mean to be late so this is what happened I was at a different hotel than Lindsay and then my hotel had valet but Lindsay's didn't Lindsay doesn't have her car which so that makes sense but when I had to move hotels from my hotel to her hotel and it was raining outside I had to go I had 25 bags I needed to bring into the room so I needed to drop my bags off at the door but there's no Bellman or or any people that take your bags in so I was like okay I need to drop my bags off at the door go find a

parking garage and then come back to the hotel so that I didn't have to carry all the stuff for three blocks or four blocks so then by time I like found the parking garage and walked to the hotel it was pouring I didn't have an umbrella and I was barefoot not barefoot like open I know so I was late because I actually left the hotel on time like I followed the schedule that Kristen gave and I was still we set the time and I was an hour behind because I had to find a parking garage and then because of all the one-ways and shit like that I couldn't figure out how to get there and play Tetris with the map or whatever so

Kristen sends this is the schedule to us in a group text and she said she said I will be there today until you get to your B&B so follow this schedule or I'll stab you have a great day. So casual or I'll stab you have a great day. It was literally the second or third text message that I read this morning and I just looked down at my phone not really expecting like I was expecting that she was gonna send the schedule and then just be like here's the schedule y'all follow it but then when I got to the part of the stabbing I was like but I read it I read it so normal because that's how she is so like she says that stuff to

be on a normal basis and I don't think anything of it so when I read it I was like okay well I'm probably gonna get stabbed so I better leave okay yes so that was it kind of goes hands-in-hand right okay so I've never done a dating app also I feel like I couldn't do a dating app because I'm on TV I feel like people would seek me out but I'm not a celebrity there's a difference no because I'm not in that category so I'm not opposed to dating apps like I think if I was not on TV I would use them I think but also I'm so awkward that I don't know how I would be on a first

date like I don't eat in front of someone for like 10 weeks what no like do not take me out on a date where I have to eat in front of you because I won't I don't I don't know and remember that one time didn't you tell me one time like you went in the closet that was not me no I always talk I always laugh at myself but no that was not me that sounds like something I would do with that was not me I'm saying that you were with someone and you farted in a closet yes you did I swear on my kids you're not talking you're somebody else told you that and now I need to know who right now I don't know I thought it was

you it wasn't me so I'm just saying like I don't know how I would have a conversation and like even with people like friends that I just me I talk about my kids all the time yeah and so I don't know how that would work trying to have a normal conversation with someone on a date where I'm just meeting them well yeah and then you're very weird for me well I hang out in a group setting for like five months before I'm ever like you know I feel like the dating apps to me are it's something I probably wouldn't do okay strictly because I don't do well with strangers but I guess even when you were dating somebody that person at

some point would be a stranger to you right but you said something about you don't casually date you date to marry okay so my question is how do you know you're gonna give them a chance to date them if I literally knew that I was gonna marry a will like when I met him but like how so you would meet someone and be like okay I could see myself marrying you so I'm going to give you a chance to date yeah like I would probably be friends with somebody prior if I was in the dating game right probably be friends with somebody prior to dating them and then you'd be like okay I could see myself marrying you yeah and so I'll

date you yeah but then if it doesn't work out then you would do what I would be mad because then I like waste because so but to people that just waste of time if you I don't know so what you're saying is that you wouldn't just like casually go out on dates just to go out on dates and no like just for company and then you wouldn't do that ever okay I don't need company like that I just wouldn't do it because I'm just weird so I don't know I just I know a lot of people who go out on a lot of dates and to me with different people with different people yes and so not that that's wrong I'm just saying that wouldn't be like really up

my alley to do that I don't think that I want to do my hair and makeup that many times I definitely don't like I'm not gonna do that I would be curious I mean part of me wants to try casual dating just to see what it's like but I don't think that I could talk to people no like I don't have anything in common you know like I don't have anything in common with any man because I'm not gonna date someone that has kids I'm just not gonna do it like I will not and we've had that conversation okay so that's another interesting topic for people who are well first of all whoever's listening we need to know if you go on

dating apps if you like them if you casually date or if you date to marry but I guess wouldn't it kind of be dating to marry or you think you're dating to marry I think more people are they think they're dating to marry but I when I think of like someone who just goes on a ton of casual dates that's like very wealthy people yeah like wealthy single people athletes like they that's who I think of when I think of people who go on lots of dates but then I also know people I'm not gonna say people's names but I also know people specifically that will be casually dating somebody but go on a trip with them and like I would

never do that like unless I was in a serious relationship with someone I'm not like jetting off to Mexico with you I'll go on vacation with anyone like yeah yeah yeah just friends yeah friends with benefit like I love vacation that's another good topic yeah that was the thing for me one time and then I ended up with two children so well so it never really was I guess it didn't last but it wasn't friends with benefits for a long time so you can only be friends with benefits if you can put it in proper perspective like if you can't if you at some point get feelings for somebody then I don't feel like it's

it's no longer friends with benefits right and then do you end it yes and then do you does it end because one person catches feelings or does it develop into something else you can't because you can't you cannot determine whether you're gonna develop feelings for them in a real with like real feelings with somebody you can't determine that like I feel like that's like a weird thing like you can try to be friends with benefits but it's always gonna turn into something else because you don't know what you don't expect it but it happened I feel like you're gonna have a completely different answer to this but for me and for a lot of women I feel like sex is so much more than just sex

and for me I would never have sex with somebody just for a sexual benefit yes so then I did it one time and I have two kids with a man so so yeah I know I clearly couldn't have friends with benefits like it didn't work for me so I don't know anyone that it works for I was actually watching this thing a while ago it was a girl that was on the bachelor and she was talking about I think she also has a podcast and she was talking about how she basically goes on these trips with different guys that she's been with and it's just like she grooms herself for these trips and does like all the waxing does all the stuff

and then goes and has like a sex I forget what she calls it like a sex vacation or something like that where it's just like a weekend of sex and dating this person I guess for the weekend and then they have it all in proper perspective and then that person goes back to your life and then she goes back to her normal life yeah okay so maybe if I didn't have four kids that would work for me just because me having kids that I like I wouldn't be able to do that but I think so yeah yeah but personally I have never had sex with someone that I wasn't like I didn't end up being with long-term right we've had that

conversation I don't I've never had casual sex so I don't know yeah like contrary to popular belief um yeah I mean I can oh oh I'm pregnant okay yeah definitely baby number five seriously that to me I want to know how many people can successfully be friends with benefits yeah and for how long yeah yeah yeah so we wanted to do an assumptions about us so these are some of the assumptions that people posted on the Instagram one of them is I don't know who this is for but one of them is I I'd assume that you don't go to sleep and you always you

seem to always be go go go go ahead I don't sleep at all I would love to be able to sleep but now that I have Creed I mean he has me up three to four times and a night and then I have four kids and all my kids play sports or have like some type of activity so there are there are definitely days that like four o'clock hits me and I'm like oh my god I if I don't take a nap I'm gonna die but um you know I can't because I have the kids running around so it's just not a thing maybe that's why I'm not like a mom of like multiples that need help yeah yeah yeah I could take a nap and Jackson would be perfectly fine right right but

on Sundays I take a nap every Sunday afternoon we go on a long walk we don't have lunch come home I shower and I take I turn on my time I take a nap every Sunday that's amazing it's literally an amazing life really any other day like if I catch some time I'm gonna catch some Z's yeah and then Jackson went to Will's parents for the first time since COVID either last weekend or weekend before I think it was last weekend and I basically slept all weekend that's amazing see that's like the one thing that I will say like without my kids if I'm anywhere without my kids I will sleep sleep yeah except you didn't last night

yeah I think just because now that I'm on Creed schedule I feel like I wake up when he wakes up even though he's not with me yeah but I did take a nap last week well see the fact that you have to say like a week ago I took a nap it was it was a late nap so I kind of struggled because it was from three to five and I don't like to take late naps because then I can't fall asleep at night when I need to sleep when Creed sleeps so that was a little rough for me but I needed it to even just get through bedtime like dinner time and bedtime I needed it so I was thankful for that yes yes I think on two episodes ago okay so I was gonna

say that life was really good when Jackson was taking those naps yeah really thoroughly enjoyed sleeping every afternoon yeah yeah but then I did have a hard time going to sleep at night because then it's like okay well I've slept for like three hours in a day right now why wait this morning when I woke up since Will didn't help Jackson with his spelling words I had to recheck to make sure that he knew what he was doing before he went to school so that was at like 6 30 this morning and then I took a nap before I ever woke up because I woke up at 6 30 yeah and then I went back to sleep like I reset my alarm uh-huh

and then woke up at 7 30 oh and then when my alarm went off at 7 45 I realized oh shit I need to get in the shower because Kristen's gonna kill me she's gonna stab you right so you were at you were very on point with that one the next one is that you don't cook I'm I'm thinking that this one might be directed towards me and I definitely do like some weeks I cook three times a week some weeks I don't cook at all okay first of all Isaac's hamburger was cooked all the way through thank you mine was just not all the way cooked but no I do cook I think it just depends on the week how much I cook so sometimes I

really do have weeks where I don't have time to cook and some weeks I cook five nights like it really just depends I'm only one fucking person so I don't know what y'all want for me a lot of places to be with that yeah well and all my kids like different things and we've talked about this and I'm not gonna you know cook it no yeah so it's just one of those things where it really depends on the week and I think at some point in my lifetime when I am with a partner long term I hope that we can share responsibilities and that can be something that we work on because I do think that cooking more is better for

everyone so that would be something that I would like to have like in a relationship moving forward do you want me to answer that question yeah sure okay so I definitely cook mostly crock pot stuff and we're gonna be bringing you guys several recipes and like how to's how to do it because it's super easy will does cook too which makes it nice right talking about having like a partner mm-hmm but his food's a little janky but like what's janky like he tries it I'm not a big fan of like chicken thighs oh no like chicken thighs in the Instapot and he's like oh it's so good and it's like that sounds awful

yeah it's actually awful sorry well so yeah normally I try to steer clear will cooking other than the Mexican bowls just pretty good job on that but yeah I I actually enjoy cooking but a lot of times you ever feel like if you don't have to do like if you feel like you have to cook then you don't want to but if you feel like it's it's something like optional that you can do then you want to do it I don't like when anything that I feel like I have to do I literally make it a point to not do it and that goes for everything in my life and especially like work if you tell me I have to do something I'm gonna

literally fight you on it so no that's a no from me someone said Lindsay needs more life experiences and that I'm too forgiving so what does that mean more life experiences they think that you're privileged prude I don't agree I think that's a choice and I think that that's how you were raised so how can you be at fault for that I don't know sheltered like yeah I would agree that I'm sheltered to agree that also by choice right I choose not to have certain life experiences I don't want those life experiences I don't like it's not a thing for me if somebody was like oh let's go to Europe that's not a

thing for you you don't want to go where I'm like get me on the next plate yeah right we talked about that before so and it's life experiences I mean I've heard it a million times oh you know you should have dated more you should have done this should have done that no like I felt like I knew so why would I throw something good away just to say that I had other experiences I had a boyfriend before will whenever I was in high school but that was a dud so that was a dud I'm gonna put that on his shirt yeah that was a dud so then we move on you know so this one about me being too forgiving I think that's very very

accurate I think people do me so so so dirty and I I'm like oh it's fine like if I can just like yes yeah yeah but people don't know that about me and then the next one it says assumption that you put up with too many people's bullshit well yeah I do but people I feel like I live like a double life on the podcast I'm one way and on the show I'm another way like I remember specifically there was a time where like all of the cast members of Teen Mom 2 like didn't like something and we all like got together and like had a conversation about it and Chelsea was like Kale you say something because

you're not afraid and it was just like but in real life people I love and talk to every day I don't want confrontation but like people I work with when I feel like I have to stand up for like people who don't are afraid I'll do it so it really depends on correct but in my real day-to-day life where it's my friends or something like I Kristen for example like I won't want to tell her certain things because I don't want her to like feel some type of way and then I have to hear it and have the like a confrontation type of situation where like we don't see eye-to-eye yeah I don't like it I rather just yes yeah and it's like what's the

point because I don't know I really don't because I don't want to hurt your feelings and push you away and then you're not my friend anymore well if somebody's gonna not be your friend over a conversation then that person wasn't your friend in first place I don't know I think there's a big difference and I've talked about this before it's like an approach right like if you're having a conversation with somebody you can have a conversation without it being a confrontation based off of your delivery so if it's like you're having a conversation about something and you're like well you know I just want to bring

this to your attention because this is how this made me feel and like no hard feelings or anything and I don't harbor resentment but this is like how I feel but then if you come in guns blazing and something and it's like you know if you like I hate you yeah and then you like try to take that back I just feel like that's not really a way to approach situation ever not that I haven't approached situations that way right I learned that having a conversation versus having a confrontation is like works nine out ten times okay I'll work on it I'll definitely work on it I will I'll tackle that what's the next one you

both are highly focused on your weight and size no you really don't you really don't I've never heard you talk about it no in any of it like way no it's and that's the crazy thing because I used to get messages all the time because we started the show what what people saw early on was the pilot that I was pregnant and nobody knew and then once we started filming I had just had Jackson and I feel like I was super skinny because I also was breastfeeding and trying to keep a little human alive and so you would go like a day and be like oh wow only eight like Jesus yeah yeah yeah common definitely and so I

would get it all the time like oh you're too skinny you're too this and I look back on stuff and I'm like okay well maybe I was then but I still feel like I am small you're naturally petite but I can't help that but I don't really care like what are you gonna do try and gain weight like I don't you're fine the way that you yeah you're fine the way you are I definitely focus on my weight and size but that's but you feel like it controls you yes yeah 100% like it's all like when I had cheesecake last night I literally in my head was like fuck me fuck me fuck me fuck me because I know that this is gonna set me back like

I've never been a person to calorie count or anything like that you count calories not necessarily no I don't really count calories I just know at this point what I'm supposed to eat what I'm not supposed to eat and when I can eat certain things that you know I normally wouldn't eat and I also want to point out on that question too is that because you and I were having this conversation earlier today when we were getting ready that in the world that we're in on Instagram the way social media is and whatever it's like everybody picks apart everything so if you're not fully put together or even if you are fully

put together they'll find something that's like ugly or that they don't well they'll say it's fake or it's fake you know like your nose job is ugly or you should get a nose job yeah and it makes you want to be focused on that stuff because then you think like oh wow like is that something that's wrong with me that I didn't really think about before yeah but the fucked up part is it's not gonna slow down so we might as well just get used to it I feel like because we didn't know what this was so we googled it I initially thought this was like a super organized closet which is me because I have like the

organization stuff and I had someone come to my house and like literally do all my stuff but it's actually shit like falling out of the closet do you have one of those closets that's how Lincoln lives literally a junk drawer yes I do have one and like what's in it probably random batteries broken sunglasses maybe keys to like three houses ago I don't know random like Velcro maybe a condom who knows probably not condoms I don't have a junk drawer because I feel like all of those things that you just listed are things that you don't need anyway so what's the purpose of keeping them in a junk drawer

well I think it just happens it just like collectively I'm like okay I got to clean my counters I have this thing where like when I feel like anything is out of control the first thing I do is clean off my countertops like I like literally twitch until I and if I don't know where it goes if that like a random thing that like maybe goes to something else I'll throw it in the junk drawer so that's funny that you say that because I if I would rather in this drives will not about me I'll have stuff laying out all of the counters in like different piles of stuff and I might not get to it like right that second put it away but it's

aggravating him and he's like why is all of this shit on the counter I can't with it no I can't that's like the first thing that I do and so in therapy that's what we've been working on is like when your life is out of control you cannot clean the countertops like my therapist is like do not clean the countertop but I'm like oh like my head is spinning I got to clean them and I have so much counter space that it's like there's just shit everywhere yeah he doesn't want it on the counter if it was somewhere else would it bother him yeah okay okay but also messy too like I feel like he would have junk doors I feel

like me and him or this sound like the same person yeah it's like the same it's like I'm very messy but like also organized in other areas it's weird or it's like organized junk and I tell him I'm like what's the point of me putting all this stuff in a junk drawer for me then to have to go through the fucking junk drawer to put it all where so where do you put it in the trash no I will just leave it in piles until I get to where I need it to go so like I have this thing where like I'll place things on the stairs to go up with me like the next time I go up the stairs I'll take it up but a lot of times it just sits

there well because it's gonna go upstairs eventually like right now I can think of like maybe 12 packages I have at the bottom of my stairs because I need to take it upstairs when I go upstairs and then I just don't yeah so that doesn't really so Monica's closet just so you guys know the picture that I'm looking at looks like it has a globe which I don't know why somebody would have that looks like something that was at school some lamps and some like fake flowers and just like shit flying out of a closet I definitely don't have that but I am not as organized as kale when it comes to closet closet I think I've

said that before on the podcast my closet is the messiest part of my house oh my room is the messiest part of my house my room is messier than my kids rooms I think Lincoln and I are one in the same because Lincoln will leave his room his closet doors will be open the lights will be on the drawers will be out of all of his dressers he'll leave toothpaste all in the sink and wet towels on his dresser and it drives me nuts but I'm like I literally can't even get mad because this is me this is me you're the same person yeah so but my closets in like the bathrooms and like regular like other closets are like labeled yes

you know no like my closet they're working at my closets other than my side of the closet and will and I have a like shoot I don't know what type of closet they call it but it's like you walk in and it's like all the way open but there's like a divider down the middle okay he has a whole side I have a whole side his side is like color coordinated perfect you go in there and find anything everything looks super crisp and then my side of the closet literally looks like Hurricane Sally came through there and destroyed everything I could not picture you with a closet like that I don't close and then

I don't like something you just throw it back in I just like throw it on the floor and then I'll get something in the mail and I'll take it out of the box because I hate cardboard boxes laying around my house so then I'll like take it out of the box and then I'll throw in my closet for I can't picture you living like that I think a lot of people like I have a chair in my bathroom and it's like the chair yeah yeah all my like clothes end up on the chair towels anything I was gonna say the toothpaste thing drives me nuts oh I have Lincoln I will literally and I feel like a shitty mom for this I feel like I'm just like nitpicking when I do this

but like if Lincoln leaves his closet lights on or not even Lincoln Isaac does it too if he'll leave his lamp on next to his bed if they're downstairs like watching TV or doing something I will literally call them up and be like you need to come turn off your lamp you need to come take this toothpaste out of the sink I'm not doing it right and I will make them come upstairs and do it themselves so it drives me nuts this is this might be is that nitpicking no I don't think it's nitpicking I think it's making them have some type of responsibility like they turned it on they should turn it off right I get so

I'm gonna choose to tell us that if we left lights on and we weren't in the room that we had to pay for the power okay so I guess it's kind of stupid now we'll be back on it yeah but I was gonna say does Lincoln have the same rules at hobbies as he does at your house like as far as like picking up after himself and being able to leave toothpaste in the sink no no so he can just like leave it however yeah I definitely feel like I wouldn't let him get away with that well that's how hobby was you would say like hobby would just like drop his stuff wherever yeah oh my god he would come home and literally leave his shit in the

doorway like it was like he would I'm picturing it now in his fucking uniform he would open the front door because we always use the front door and he would drop he would take his work boots off right there with his duffel bag and literally leave it in the doorway and Lincoln is exactly the same I don't know yeah no we don't even allow shoes in my house so I have this little thing in my house I want to know if this is rude no this is rude it's like is that something like if you wear shoes in the house and you scrub the floor or something do you have like a shoe rack at your front door no it's

home like leave your shoes the door like don't come in with nasty shoe right I just don't like it in my house yeah and it's like tracking on my floors and I might walk on it barefooted so then it's gonna get on my carpet yeah I my dog shed so much all over my floors that I don't even think it like and I have a King Corso and honestly I have King Corso's the drool when they shake their head it like is on the ceiling so yeah yeah okay this is the next question for you feel you make your own life difficult from what I see anyway yeah I definitely would say some of it is self-inflicted I would for sure agree

with that I mean I don't think I like like set out each day like you wake up and you're like oh I'm gonna make my life difficult yeah I think a lot of it is like hindsight is 2020 or like you know now that I'm in therapy it's been this month is a year since I've been in therapy it's like now I'm finally starting to see that like I it's not like I choose to make myself make my life difficult it's like things that I am not thinking when I'm making the decisions and so then it's like oh fuck I did that right and so it's not intentionally making my life difficult you know a hundred percent a hundred percent cuz

I don't like rejection especially so like if something if something is going really well I like to be like like if someone's like okay I really like you I'm like you won't in a couple days like that type of thing yeah I'll try whichever one of us longer okay I work on it all right guys we're gonna take a quick break to talk about one of our favorite partners Kiwi Co while the holidays may look a little different this year the season of giving is in full swing so listen closely if you have a child grandchild niece nephew or little cousin on your holiday list and you think it's impossible to get kids to put down the

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have a weird unspoken loyalty to him that I have not figured out yet and I always would wish the best for him like when we were getting divorced and stuff like I let him tell whatever he felt like he wanted to tell whatever he wanted to film about whatever he made up in his own head I let him talk about it and dragged me through the mud and I never defended myself ever it's so weird to me though that you never defended yourself in that because I feel like in every other situation now I don't really feel like you try to defend no I I have definitely tried yeah and that would be the one thing that I would think like

would be the one thing you would want to defend yeah yeah no and I think so like why I think part of it was like when Joe and I split like it was so messy and just a disaster and it didn't get us anywhere and then ten years later we're really like we're fine and I'm close with V and like it was fine I didn't really want to go through that again and I felt like no matter how much I defended myself people were gonna believe what they wanted to believe anyway so to me it was just like I'm gonna exhaust myself trying to get people to believe this what you know believe what I'm saying and they're still gonna believe him

anyway because he really had a good image or has I don't know he has this like great image he's a great guy is a great dad he's a hard worker and he is all of those things but like it was useless pretty much for me to even sit here and try to convince people of you know my side but he I mean the truth came out it really did I feel like the truth revealed itself in time it took a long time and we went on marriage bootcamp and the lie detector test came out I feel like in my heart of hearts that like the truth really did reveal itself by itself like I didn't even have to do that so but even still like I

don't I think that everyone makes mistakes and I don't like I don't hold any of those things against him now we're just in Philly yeah it just it's very strange to me that I like I'm still loyal to him or just like the whole thing in general not not that you're still loyal to him just the whole situation in general like the way that it all played out I feel like you being the kill that I know would defend yourself in some way or be like and I didn't happen you know I still haven't I don't feel like I really have told you know like if you know that you have like proof of something then I feel like you

would try to prove that that is true or show that that is true yeah but then you just didn't I don't know why I don't really have an answer for that okay you can fly by the seat of your pants and plans on a trip but Lindsay has to plan every hour interesting like like vacations or or like on a trip like this she's laughing right right like remember we used to do these trips for podcasting and would try to do like six episodes and we would literally record three yeah and we're like well we're just so tired we just get we're just so fucking tired just we'll get it later and then we realize that you guys like the

episodes kind of like more recent so we're recording it the week of our life and it just makes more sense yeah well recording five episodes at once is exhausting and I know it's just people will be like you don't have a real job it's not a real job and you're just podcasting but to talk and talk and talk and talk and talk for hours from yeah and there's not enough like content so we would get drained and if we were doing other things it was just like a lot of stuff at once I mean I need one right now but anyway yeah I don't really like on a podcasting trip or like a work trip or something then I want to plan

right but not on like a vacation like yes I will make reservations at like a restaurant knowing that you have to make reservations or you're not going to get to eat then yes I will do stuff like that but I pretty much like the last trip that we went on when we went to the beach pretty much four nights that we were there we were there eight we stayed outside pretty much all day save the pool a bunch of the pool and then a dinner and then went back to the room and it's like probably just cancel my plans that way that's the opposite for me like when I'm on vacation I want to be up at 6 a.m. and I go explore every fucking thing

that I can if that's like excursions like just everything and I want to be back in the room by like 7 8 o'clock to like eat dinner and like decompress and then do it again on like that's my thing like I just we would do the total opposite thing like you'd be by the pool relaxing and I would be out like climbing mountains yeah like swimming with them trying to like pet them and stuff yeah no I that's like when we were in Costa Rica last year I went with Leah and she was like I like plan this like huge excursion for like the last day that we were there and she just like didn't want to go and I was just like trying to

explain to her like this is the biggest excursion we're gonna do we're in Costa Rica like we need to do it we're gonna hike in the rain for us we're gonna go ziplining we're gonna repel down a mountain and like you have to be there yeah it was awesome it was fucking phenomenal and she missed it she fucking missed it oh it was amazing we were actually ziplined through a waterfall it was amazing and like when we were hiking they have like really poisonous frogs there and we saw one and we saw like a web full of baby tarantulas yeah it was fucking sick what do you mean that's like not a

vacation for you so would you go hiking I would go on a walk like on the beach okay like you know use my Apple watch and get like some three miles in and then go back to the pool oh you know right my apple watch okay okay like some weird stuff like that okay not be going hiking absolutely not I feel like vacations are meant to relax but like that stuff to me is like is so cool it's like relaxing but so you would never go like you're telling me that you would never go to a resort and like stay by the pool and drink some drinks and eat some food and like be in a cabana yeah like one day or like half a day yeah half a day

yeah that's like if I like went and did an excursion and it was like over at like one and then I would have the rest of the day at the cabana I'm so sleeping until like 10 no no I think on one trip I did skydive shark dive hiking snuba yes yes yes are you even living these are the experiences that you don't want to do okay fair enough okay we're just different people yeah but that's like why we're here because yeah I know I hear you were different in so many ways and same yeah yeah agreed but like and in personality as far as like things that we would find interesting I don't feel like you and I find the same

things interesting no but that's why we have good conversation yeah because we both have completely different perspective on basically everything yeah pretty much pretty much what else okay we sell we say else the same else yeah why is that my friend said we should spell it the way that we say it which is el t s else else assumption about kale is you will definitely have at least one more child to try for a girl I'm never trying for a girl and I'm not gonna say that I'm gonna have another child because I truly don't know and it's not on my radar anytime soon I know and I always say this every time I'm trying to get my

life on track and I end up pregnant again I know this I don't know like how does it happen I don't know and Lux and Creed are literally they were born in the same week oh that's right yeah yeah I don't know yeah so I wait is when when is hobby's little boys birthday the day before Lincoln yeah yeah yeah when's Lincoln's birthday November 16th oh so he's like the 15th yeah the week like the week before or like two weeks before mm-hmm so basically you're having another role probably not okay you do everybody thinks kales gonna have more kids except kale I this time I might be done like this time I might for real be done

I've got four fucking kids like I don't I didn't even want kids ever yeah well so I when I first got pregnant with Lux I had bought a Tahoe and it has three rows and I had bucket seats or whatever and I fell in love with it was great and I realized that my jogging stroller didn't fit in the trunk okay no real big deal first vacation I needed the third row but there was no trunk so I had to have the luggage taken to the airport by somebody else because I had no trunk so I had trade my my Tahoe in to get my suburban because I needed the three rows plus the trunk so I don't know I'm very well maybe done and it with

my luck it would be another boy and you know I'm not really down to have a starting five basketball team like I'm kind of over that and I feel like literally like I'm sick of the toilet seats being up I'm sick of like the dirty socks everywhere like I really am just like clean up your shit honestly it's just like Lux is finally just potty-trained and I have one more left I think I might be done just texted you oh look at this I I can't even make this up I'm not gonna play the video but like please he said he's a wiggler I can't look at my kid he's wearing a brown wig this is what happens when I'm not at home yeah spelling test gets studied for ordering shit off of the Amazon wigs I told you

they say on the podcast the other week that I went downstairs it was when Jackson was with Will's parents so I might not have said it yet I went downstairs to see what he was doing because he was like missing for a while and I go down there and he's sitting on the couch with his laptop with a fucking black wig on like just for fun where did he get the wig and then I asked if he had another wig like laying on the couch and I was like what is this like this is very strange to me and it was like also through the side and I asked him I was like why are you wearing a black wig and he was like it looks nice right didn't I see the

video of this I said kill the video of it right yeah I didn't watch it where the fuck was I I said the video and I was like what are you doing and he had this little brown wig over I'm gonna watch it I can't wait he was like oh I was ordering a wig for Jackson why why were you ordering a wig for your son because he wanted to play like he was Ben 10 or something and he had like Will probably had black hair but when the wig came apparently he doesn't have I just can't picture like ordering my son some wigs he wants to be shaggy like Scooby-Doo get him a wig a wig a wag thought that Ben 10 had black who's been 10 it's some show and then Jackson was

like no dad that's Kevin 11 I don't want to be Kevin 11 Kevin oh I saw that I thought you said I thought you said Jackson was wearing a wig I saw that one and then will Jackson picture fit and he was like I need to wear a brown wig because I need to be Ben 10 not Kevin 11 so we'll order to him who are these people Jackson really gets into these characters like he thinks he is these people that's amazing that's amazing about shaggy shaggy costume and Jackson wants to be Scooby-Doo for Halloween and I told him I was like okay well I will be Velma Velma what's her name Velma I said I'll be Daphne because she's cute yeah

definitely skew right you would look deranged actually then he walks around the house he found like some type of cargo shorts I have no idea who bought them like I don't buy cargo shorts I buy little dicky shorts for him so these brown cargo shorts that like touches me which is weird and then he had a sky zone shirt it was for like glow night he put it inside out since I had a logo on it and wore it because shaggy wears like a green shirt yeah and like brown yeah finally was just like Jackson like I don't know how to break this to you but shaggy shaggy shaggy shaggy shaggy shaggy shaggy shaggy shaggy shaggy shaggy shaggy is kind of a loser yeah and what did he say like you don't have a girlfriend or you know you'll have a good job all these things and he's like shaggy's cooler and I'm like but really like when you roll off he's not I didn't realize

that as a child though like I had no idea that he was like getting high and like Dooby was smoking pot oh see I don't remember that movie I never I didn't realize that until I was an adult he will is literally the epitome of Fred I don't remember Mary Jane I'm gonna have to watch the movie I'll watch yeah yeah before we go I want to tell you about Lincoln's birthday gift that I so Lincoln I told Lincoln I wasn't gonna have a birthday party for him I would rather just do like the milestone birthdays from now on like when he turns 10 he'll get one when Isaac turns you know 13 he'll get one and then honestly for the babies a pool

party because we have a pool like it doesn't really matter yeah and it's the summertime and it's like we could have like a play date you know what I mean like it's just like not a big deal in the summertime but the winter ones are really hard so Lincoln was like you know I really want an Xbox and Isaac has a PlayStation so I'm like okay so I go online I get him the Xbox and then there's like a place that you can go customize a remote what is it called a remote or a controller a controller so I'm like oh cool like I'll get him like a custom controller and I'm like Lincoln what are your favorite colors and he's

like you know red blue and orange did I talk about this already yes so I'm like your favorite colors are red blue and orange lit I'm gonna make you a remote what do I keep calling it a remote a controller with your favorite colors put your name on it whatever and I'm sitting there and I'm clicking around on the colors and like trying to like make this cool controller and I'm like what I see as red blue and orange are not what you see as red blue and orange I looked at him I said Lincoln come here I said come pick out what colors you like because I don't fucking know what he sees as red blue and orange are in fact completely

different than what I was picking for red blue and orange I mean he mixes up green and orange are interchangeable for him so depending on the shade he thinks either the green is brown or the green is orange yeah so and then like shades of blue can be purple and shades of red can be black so I'm like I need you to like pick yeah because they had like the chart the chart the color chart so I was like point to the colors that you like so that I know that I can create this with whatever colors that you are seeing as what you like so he did and I so he doesn't know like how I designed it but he picked the colors and it I got an

email today that it came in the mail so I'm excited I'm actually really excited because I feel like it's not a birthday party but it is a gift and I'm excited to like have him open it and stuff so when do people start playing video games because I feel like Jackson has no interest um this is new for Lincoln the video game thing is new for Lincoln um probably last year because Jackson has several friends that are already into it mm-hmm it drives me nuts it really does but I will say like Isaac drives me nuts with the video games because Isaac his whole attitude will change about the video games so Lincoln will Lincoln's

first thing is he wants to eat breathe sleeps football and track like we know this this is his thing secondary is the game where Isaac loves the game and wants to be on the game and I'm like if you didn't do your chores don't even ask me and I literally take the cord out of the TV at night because I'm afraid that Isaac will get up in the night and sneak to play the game just roblox minecraft fortnight those are like the top three I know Jackson comes home one day and he's like I I want to get these fortnight toys and I'm like you don't even play fortnight like why would we have for tonight I definitely will say that

quarantine I really think I went against my better judgment letting them play it because that's when I really let them play fortnight but it was like we ran out of fucking things to do to keep them occupied and it wasn't warm enough to swim and it wasn't like so I definitely probably shouldn't have let them play that but I did so here we are yeah yeah so there's that let me show you Mary Jane shaggy don't remember her I don't think I saw a movie yeah but do you feel like I could be that oh yeah throw some extensions in your hair and you're Mary Jane from Scooby-Doo okay cool can't wait to see the costume well guys that's

all we have for this week we hope you guys have a great week see ya