140: Documentary Homework, Journeys In Love, and Body Positivity with Jamie Otis
00:00Hey guys, welcome to another coffee combos episode good morning.I thought you were going to sing someone called you out last week and said that you lied andsaid that you were going to sing the next week but then I guess you forgot so do youwant to sing well okay so well okay fine all right I'm gonna sing welcome to a new episodeof coffee combos podcast I feel like that may or may not be worse than the last time I sang butyou know what I'm gonna take vocal lessons so I'm gonna be really good at this by the end of 2021perfect I'm so excited about that actually I want to have a quick coffee combo really fastbefore you get into everything that you want to talk about my friends in the group chat were telling
00:55me to try a new drink from it's not a new drink it's like something that they drink a coffeethat they drink so I got it and I I love it if you guys like chocolate go to Duncan and ordera large I mocha iced coffee with a turbo shot and extra ice that sounds like a heart attackwell it may be but like it also has extra ice so you're not really getting like I'm stirring itright now and it's so good um and it's so first of all a large coffee at Duncan is under four dollarswhy is a venti which is I think a medium at Starbucks like six dollars I've been telling you thisfor ages not only post this so when people want to try it it's so good not only does it taste betterbut it's also cheaper so you know it's like a double win speaking of though I love the fact
01:53that you brought that up and that you jumped on the Duncan train this morning so someone told meto try the Duncan hash browns and the snack and bacon which I did the snack and bacon peoplelike rave about it and you guys know I'm a huge Duncan fan but it's just like I don't like itnot my style of bacon I guess like I like like an extra crispy salty bacon and I feel like thatbacon tastes too sweet for me I personally don't like that bacon what's the deal with it what isit that you don't like it's just like well first of all snacking that's never gonna be enough toeven make me feel a little bit satisfied as a snack so that's number one and then number twoI'm just not like I just don't I just just it's not good like it's just not good and then I'm
02:47going to be another Debbie Downer and say that I don't like the Duncan hash browns and I'm veryspecific about my hash browns so I have a lineup of like what's good and what's bad but the only twothat are consistently good to me are the hash rounds from Chick-fil-A and if you know I disagreewell you're a liar and then the hash brown from McDonald's if you order an extra crispy it'sdelicious no no okay so you like plain hash browns yes I like Duncan's hash browns becausethey're seasoned and you have I mean you have to ask for them extra crispy otherwise they are alittle bit soggy I will say that I just think that like Duncan is like lazy with their stuff likeeven with their like croissants and stuff like if you don't ask for them like fresh they're either
03:38burnt or soggy and I'm a croissant person like I love croissants but no I think that McDonald'sand Chick-fil-A hash browns are so plain and I just need some flavor in my life you just needa little jouge like yes and I don't like I don't need I've like very bland food actually it driveswill nuts he's like you need to get outside of like that bland palette I don't know that I'vealways been this way but since I got pregnant with Jackson I had to go on what is that likebrat or brat diet whatever it's called the brat yeah so I could only eat like very bland foodand I think that I just like continue doing it for the next eight years so here we are andthat's my little spiel I also wanted to mention that I think it's a good idea for us to do a
04:34highlight on coffee combos podcast Instagram for pets because the amount of messages that I getin my personal DMs every time we talk about like our animals or anything like it's a what do youfeed them what type of pet insurance do you have like everything like so many different questionsthat I just want to like combine and put that on a highlight for people to be able to use that as aresource because if I answered messages messages about Della from the podcast then I would justbe doing that literally all day like it's nuts okay I think that's a great idea people really lovetheir pets I mean I love my canes like they're just like my favorite of all time so I would loveto share what I like feed them and stuff I don't have pet insurance but I think I should get it so
05:29that would be nice if you did put that so I can like look into it well and also like I have a smallbreed dog and I think Kale can like speak to the larger breed dogs I've never had one so I don'treally know and kind of like what you do as far as like you put your dogs through training andall that kind of thing I just think that we probably have a ton of pet parents that listento us and like I didn't realize until the last couple of times that I talked about Della andthen it's just like my inbox like blew up oh for sure I mean I also have a small breed dog I havea french bulldog and they I honestly have so much I could say about gizmo too like people are obsessedwith french bulldogs um and there's just like so much that goes into it and if you're thinking about
06:17getting one or you have a young one there are health concerns that will happen like later onso I feel like you're right like we're there's just so much and I'm actually curious to knowlike what you feed Della and stuff like that so yeah let's just start adding stuff to a reel so thator not a reel a highlight so that people can follow along perfect okay well I'm gonna do that I alsohave another question for you did you watch the 2020 special on Jon Benet this weekendI did not but Kristen told me about it I didn't even know there was one first of all I know thatwere what did Kristen say she texted me and was like hey did you turn it on and I'm likeI didn't even know there was one like I didn't even know like I don't literally you guys I don't
07:01watch TV I try so hard and it's like very few and far between that I'm able to like actuallywatch something because of my having my kids and just like if it's not it's not the older two it'smainly the younger two like there's just no way to like even listen to it if it's on so I justhaven't had a chance um but this this Saturday all my kids will be at their dads um two of oneCreed will be with his dad for a couple hours so I'm hoping that I could just like catch up on ashow or something on Saturday so that's what I'm gonna do but that was the show that I wanted towatch on Saturday so I'm not gonna like go into the whole thing or not I don't necessarily thinkit has a new theory actually it's very interesting um the I think it was the detective that they hired
07:47granddaughters have a podcast and that's featured on the 2020 special and there was somevideo footage that the detective that was investigating or the investigatorhad put together I think that has never been seen before except in that 2020 specialI don't want to go like too deep into it because I want you guys to have enough timeto watch it like over the next week but if you don't watch it like by the time we record nextweek then we're gonna be talking about it next week I do just want to say that I have likeeight different theories of what potentially could have happened I haven't ruled Burke outhowever I okay I also I watched I forget what it was like maybe like a tiktok or something
08:41or I read something I cannot remember but I recently because I I don't think that I was onlike the Burke train where like I thought it was Burke like I just couldn't I just like didn'tbelieve it um but I don't know I'm sorry I did start to have like a change of feeling on that Ido think that maybe he could have been involved and maybe he didn't kill her but he had somethingto do with it and then the parents didn't want to lose both their kids and then whatever whateverI still will never I don't think I can ever believe or get behind the idea that it was anintruder like I just don't believe that I don't believe it was an intruder that they didn't knowabout there could have been another person I think involved with this like cover-up with the parents
09:28like if Burke did it I think it was a cover-up and potentially like a third adult knew about itand help cover them cover it up I think that that could have been a potential but like allI have a theory for the mom the dad the brother the town drifter the electrician the school teacherthe housekeeper and the town Santa so I just I want you guys to try to watch it over the weekendor like over you know like this next week before we record for the next episode and then you guyscan kind of like see what we're talking about on the 2020 special and then we'll go into why we eachthink different things because I think that once you watch it you're gonna kind of be like oh waitlike there's a reason why it couldn't have been this this or this I'm so excited for you to watch
10:22it I don't think it was the town Santa like I don't know if anyone could get me to believe thatto kill the town Santa I'm dead I just like I just I'm not buying it just watch it and thenlet me know what your thoughts are on itum I also wanted to bring up that we talk about candles on here it seems like a reoccurringtopic that we talk about and someone sent me this funny message and was like don't be so worriedabout will's dollar store candles and then attach this article from the sun and as we all know thesun is not the most reputable source of information but it says Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina scented candleexplodes into flames causing an inferno in a woman's living room did you see this
11:23oh no I no I did not see that okay so it says this 50 year old woman um had purchased thisproduct and basically it just lit up in flames and I had no idea Gwyneth Paltrow even had likea candle line I had no idea yes we yes you did we talked about it we did yes like it must havebeen last year I mean it was obviously last year um and she has like a vagina scented one she haslike really wild fragrances on her candle line well the quote from the woman just made me laughit said it could have burned the place down it was scary at the time but funny looking backthat Gwyneth's vagina candle exploded in my living room so oh my god oh my god and peoplehave been sending me tiktoks of like explosions of candles of like the wax flying everywhere
12:26and it just I'm just like who told us that this was a good idea and then someone sent me this likea candle connoisseur sent me this whole message about how you're supposed to trim the wick andyou're only supposed to like light them for four hours at a time so on and so forth and I can tellyou yes there has been days that I clean that I have had a candle lit way longer than fourhours I always have my shoes longer than four hours I mean my shoes my shoes I always havemy candles lit for what what the hell am I thinking what is going through my my mind today I don'tknow are you well thinking because I had no I'm not I'm never well um I have to get Lincoln newshoes his shoes keep disappearing um and so I'm just like ingraining it in my head that I need to
13:23get him new shoes and I think that's why I said that wait what happened to his shoes I don't knowLindsay I literally wish I had an answer for you I have no idea where his fucking shoes golike I I don't know remember how we talked about like shoes that are found like on the road orlike on the telephone poles or whatever yes is that where Lincoln shoes areI they evidently he's throwing them like footballs and they're up on the freaking wires I don't knowI am so confused like how does this happen is this a new thing like I will literally be likewhere is your shoe no like I feel like no matter what and it's not like Javi's good about typicallylike returning things that are like if I send him over there in good shoes or shoes that I just got
14:16him like I try not to just because I want to make sure that he has shoes at my house but I don't knowif it's between like football training because football's over but he's still training at like ayouth center like are the shoes going missing in the car when he switches into his cleats and thenlike I'm not entirely sure what is going on is there a hole in your floorboard like and they'reflying out as you're driving down the road okay so I have two other things that I want to sayone of these you were like I sent this to you and you were like yes yes yesthe first one is a quote that I saw on instagram and it said I wish your parents could have lovedyou the way that you needed it had nothing to do with you you deserve to have your needs met
15:01honor that little kid and you who is still not sure that they were the problem tell them howmuch they matter and rescue them from those old stories yes kail I was like literally yes cryingwhen I read that was that just me being emotional or like no like some things just hit you differentlyand I feel like yes like so much yes because I I was blamed a lot for my mom like my mom's actionsmy mom's everything and so it was just like always something was always my fault and soI just feel like and then on top of that was like I'm being blamed from what my mom was doing andthen on top of it my mom wasn't loving me correctly and then my dad obviously didn't love me at all soit was just like one of those things where it's like I was born into this I didn't choose this I
15:51didn't do anything wrong this was just what I was born into so like they didn't love me properlyyou know so it's the same you know I'm sure that you can relate to some to that to some degree butisn't it so sad how trauma from your childhood can just like have such an effect on your whole lifebecause I mean really like as a child and you're like most impressionable ages is that the rightword um yes it's not a extremely long period of your life like I feel like there's so much morelife to live outside of growing up but I feel like those growing up years are so importantand so um they have such an impact on the later years of your life like for the rest of foreverand I just no I completely agree I hope you post that on um when this episode's airing I hope you
16:56post it on the on the podcast Instagram I'm definitely gonna post that um and in other newsI am super excited because we have a special guest on the podcast today for the remainderof this episode we have not had a guest how long has it been since we've had a guestit's been a long time I don't even remember no offense to anyone but I don't remember the lastguest we even had I mean me either I was thinking back to it and I was like oh wait I think thelast guest that we had was when we were in San Diego which would have been Leah maybe or Monicaum yes yeah yes I think you're right so it's been like ages ago so our special guest isJamie Otis um you guys probably will know her you bachelor and bachelorette bachelor nation
17:48and people would know her from the 16th season of the bachelor and she's most well known frommarried at first sight and that's where she met her husband um she has such a like wildstory I she's so intriguing to me so I'm excited to have her on so if you guys will just wait oneminute we're going to patch her in all right well we are hi Jamie so excited to have you on coffeecombos oh my gosh I'm so pumped to be here thank you so much ladies for having me yesawesome I'm so excited to hear all about everything I'm so far behind on all ofof Lindsay catches me up to speed on everything so I'm excited all right sounds good so Jamie tellour listeners how I don't know if it's like you say how you became found but maybe that's the
18:55right way to say it how I became found yeah like how you became a public figure I guessokay uh well I guess it starts way way back like over 10 years ago I was on the bachelorand uh I was just a baby I was 23 um and I honestly I was so awkward because obviouslyyou think the bachelor and you think like model like women and men and I don't know like livingin a mansion in LA and traveling the world and I literally came from a trailer park and I had custodyof my sisters and so like and when I say like my my trailer had like I thought it was a actuallyit was a very nice trailer it had only only like one hole in the floor which is quite goodcompared to some other trailers I've lived in and the ceiling the roof did not leak in this
19:43trailer so I was really proud of this this home but needless to say like I'm still like this girlfrom a trailer park on the bachelor and I'm like how am I even here like I don't even belong herelike these girls the one girl I was on Ben Flanik season and so the one girl is literally a modeland was like I was on the cover of fitness last month and I'm like I don't belong here this is howam I here so that's I guess kind of how it all started is um I was just young and I saw thecommercial for the bachelor and I was like oh I'm gonna apply and then somehow I made it on the bachelorum and I was like I don't think that I belong here I I like I thought like I didn't want tohurt his feelings if I didn't really like him and god if I could go back and tell talk to myself
20:29I'd be like girl just have fun like I'm pretty sure he's just trying to have fun too like let'sall just have fun I don't think he's really here for true love right I love your story I I feellike I relate to that on so many levels like just not feeling like I belong anywhere and coming fromlike the dirt basically so I love that that's awesome did you like get acclimated did peopleaccept you right away or how did that what did that look like so I was I really felt like I was soI don't know like I like felt so not like I belong there I felt so unworthy almost ofbeing there I guess it's the right word so I never really shared anything about myself I was veryembarrassed so the reason why I had custody of my siblings was because well first of all I had no
21:12idea who my dad was my siblings and I have different fathers and so like this is I won't go down thistangent but essentially like you know my sister found out who her dad was while she was livingwith me and so he's like looking for to talk to his daughter I'm like oh wait I'm not your daughterlike that's my sister let me get you her and you know my mom she she I think now that I'm older thana mom myself I've really like softened my heart towards my mom because I think that she was reallyjust looking for love her whole entire life and never really found it so she would turn obviouslyto like men like well I don't want to say that but like yeah like she would turn to men for love anddrugs like to help cope because the men she chose I mean my stepdad would literally beat this not out
21:58of her it was he was like in and out of jail I remember my mom I remember this vividly likemy mom was going pee and of course we go into the room to sit down and talk with her she couldn'tgo to the bathroom ever without us and she was going to the bathroom and she was and my sisterand I were there and she was like daddy's gonna get out of jail soon do you want him to come backand live with us like let me know what you think and we were like no mommy no like don't let himlive with us and inevitably you know she lets him back but she had a really really rough life youknow like she made some decisions that I guess anybody would say even she would say are likepoor decisions and unfortunately like someone can only take so much in life and she ended up
22:35turning to drugs for like a coping mechanism and that led to me gaining custody of my siblings andlike I was a freshman in college when they first came to live with me and I was like didn't reallyknow what was happening I mean I was 19 so I was really young but we made it work and soI don't even yeah so I don't even remember like like when I was at the bachelor I was like I'mnot telling I was so embarrassed of all of this that I was like I'm not telling anybody a thinglike I already felt like I wasn't worthy enough to be there because I didn't I knew that I wasn'tlike I'm like oh god hometowns like you know if I have to go to hometowns like they go to mytrailer my trailer park like that's never been on the bachelor before I can I'm almost certain
23:23like I just felt like I didn't belong there so I really kept my story in myself like privateand um yeah so I think I don't think I think that girls like they would have been very friendly withme if I wasn't so awkward like trying to like I mean they would ask a question and I wouldimmediately try to like I don't know ask them a question so that I wouldn't talk about myself youknow but you made it pretty far right now we sound so I did and I don't know like I don't know whyI kept giving me a rose because I really didn't have an awful lot going on together but I thinkthat because I was the least crazy I guess like from the other girls he just kept giving me rosesyou and Kayle have so much in common I feel like I was yeah it's like so crazy
24:08really I'm I'm shocked yes I'm so shocked like I a lot of my story like I remember when I feltI don't know if you know if you're familiar with my show at all but of course I was gonna say ofcourse I know you're on Teen Mom I actually so when your guys' show was out I this is like inlike the midst of me when I I mean this was like when I was having had custody of my siblings and Iwas like don't you get any ideas like you know because I feel like um I was like you know likeI don't know I was scared looking out for them yeah of course yes exactly but now I'm likeyeah for sure I mean just because it's you know because you are Teen Mom you know how hard it isoh yeah for sure yeah but um so I didn't so so I never really got to see although I know so many
24:55people who are so obsessed with Teen Mom like Teen Mom is the most like people love your guys'shows but I never did get to see any of your shows because I was literally like raising kids myselfthat weren't mine I remember I remember like the whole reason why I signed up like when I went toapply for the show was like I felt like I was watching the first season of the girls likethey all pretty much had their moms I mean even I know Tyler and Caitlyn they have like theirparents were into drugs or whatever but they deal they did still have their parents in some capacityand I just I couldn't relate to any of them in that way because I didn't have my I didn't have myparents so I was like okay that's one reason why I want to show you know other people what it's
25:36like to do this without parents and then on top of it was like there was one season after Isaacwas born where I I needed to move out of my son's father's parents house and I needed to get on myown feet but the only way for me to do that was to do I had to be on welfare I had to get on foodstamps I had to get rental rent assistance for single moms um teen parents and I had to kind ofyou know use those as stepping stones to get on my feet so I could get to a place where I coulddo this on my own without you know assistance or whatever so I remember them basically not beggingme I don't want to say they begged me but they definitely were trying to convince me to filmabout being on food stamps and I just remember being so embarrassed that I hot like that's where
26:19I was so like just when you're talking about your story like I just relate so much and justfeeling like you're out of place because not even that's what I signed up to do to show people whatthat real struggle was for me and then on top of it was like I don't belong here because nobodyelse on my story it was like a catch 22 yeah I wanted to show that but then I also was likeembarrassed so I completely hear you on all levels like I feel it to my core honestly when yousay the food stamp thing like same I was like I don't want to be that girl that's like living onwelfare you know like using the government's money but I like literally needed food stamps and so mysisters and I like because we were also on welfare we would like go really really late at night to
27:04the grocery store so that hopefully we didn't run into anybody we knew because you know we wereembarrassed to use the food stamps which I mean hindsight like aren't you kind of like good godlike like I don't know like I like I wish that I would have been like not so ashamed of it likethat is literally what food stamps is for is for women like you like kids like you and I who aretrying to survive you know exactly 100% like not that I'm proud of it now but like I I'll neverforget where I came from so when other people write into me and stuff I'm like if you have touse that's what those resources are for like you use them as stepping stones to hopefully you knowget out of that get out of that place and like when you need them they're there so like I now I'm
27:45like you know I definitely not that I am embarrassed now I think I should have just embraced it andlike just taken it day by day and not been so embarrassed and like own you know whatever Iwas going through but yeah totally but I feel like that's why you are who you are though anywaysand so it's it's okay and I'm like is always like hindsight's 2020 so it's like I mean same I likeliterally you're right like I feel like the exact same as you like a hundred percent like about itbut um I love that well I'm glad we can relate yeah we definitely relate on that for sureso Jamie you are going through this bachelor journey and for the most part for anyone whowatches the show you know all the girls come with suitcases full of outfits and you know
28:32it's all about like putting yourself together and going on these lavish dates like what was yourmindset coming from your background being a part of this and how did you prepare like without thefunds to be able to do that to be able to go on the show and compete and then you made it as far asyou did okay so I I always wanted to like I don't know make something of my life like I wanted tobreak the cycle of like you know because my mom my grandma dropped out of high school and gotpregnant and my mom dropped out of high school well got pregnant dropped out of high school andthen same with my sister and so I was like I really don't I just didn't want that life and I didn'tknow what else to do and so I decided that I wanted to like enroll in these pageants and I was like
29:19girls who do pageants like really I don't know why but I was like and then I'll say it's verytrue girls who do pageants really do like have this drive and ambition and for some reason I wasreally like drawn to it and so I would do these pageants and I literally would go to the secondhand store and I would like get dresses you know to compete at these pageants and I never ever wonmuch of anything but I always won Miss Congeniality like every single I would do it every single yearand every single year I would just win Miss Congeniality and I was like oh that's nice likeand honestly that I think that gave me like I don't know some sort of confidence boost that mademe want to do it again and again so anyways by the time like when I'm 23 going on the bachelor
30:02I had these dresses from doing the pageants and I'm not even kidding you every cocktail dress waslike a pageant dress that I had already used for and so that's kind of how I was able to afford itand also I so right at the time that I I mean I was in nursing school this whole time I remembergoing to the guidance counselor saying hey listen I need a job from this community college that'sgoing to pay me more than minimum wage like like what can I do from here like I don't have fouryears to get a bachelor's degree or six years to get you know my master's like I need somethingright now because I I was literally like when we were we were so poor and they said well you knowyou can try to apply for the nursing program but it's like not not likely you're gonna get in
30:43there's a long waiting list but I had really good grades I worked really hard to have goodgrades and I wrote a killer essay and I got in and so I ended up becoming an RN I don't knowit was probably literally like a year before I went on the bachelor so I was and I was stillliving in my trailer because I was like I it was working for me like I I knew that I couldpotentially buy now like or like live in like a home with a like a larger rent or whateverbut at this point I had paid off my trailer with student loans and I so like literally the lot rentfor to like have my my home in the trailer park was like 300 a month so that's like dirt cheapand I was like I'm not like yeah I'm like how am I going to I'm not gonna why would I leave this
31:28like I get it like it's not cool to some people it wasn't cool to me to live in a trailer in atrailer park but I was like it cost me 300 a month I'm gonna live in this trailer in a trailer parkand that's literally how I was able and I also had a car that was it had like 150,000 miles on itit was really old it was I don't know but it worked and so I was like well I mean I always I waslike religious about changing the oil and anything that went wrong I fixed it because I just couldn'tafford like a car payment and whatnot and so I I literally my only bills were like my cell phonebill my insurance and my lot rent because in like obviously electricity and whatnotbecause I just knew that like I couldn't afford much more and so by the time I became a nurse I
32:10was like well why would I change any of this like I mean I'm living just fine with these things andso my I was actually making you know a decent living as a registered nurse and I was still livinglike I had no money because I was terrified to have no money so that's kind of how I was ableto afford it and I asked so at that point my siblings had already graduated high schooland so I wasn't necessarily I mean I didn't necessarily have to be responsible for them anymoreand so um that's kind of how I ended up on The Bachelor that's so cool so then fast forwardapplied for it what was that did you just apply for it or they found you no I applied for it Iwas actually with one of my girlfriend like one of my best friends and she was like you know the
32:55commercial came on and I had never even really like I didn't watch Teen Mom The Bachelor I didn'twatch anything because I didn't have time to watch TV really and so I never saw The Bachelorbefore I applied but like she explained to me like you know we were just like watching TV I don'tknow actually my roommate was watching the show The Bachelor was telling me about it and um thisis a long story I won't even go there because I was like into like singing lessons I'm not evengonna go there but anyways I was in Boston trying to like me too me too yeah okay we have an awfullot of common but not a singer I'm not a singer we'll never kill not either I I try so hard I reallydo oh I hear you I like was aspiring to be anything and um so literally anything we would make anything
33:42happen yes exactly um and so anyways the the show comes on and the the commercial comes on and thiswas Ali Fedotowski season and she my roommate was telling me like how this works she was likeyeah so she got to choose between all these guys and and I thought I was applying for theBachelorette like I thought I was applying to be her and to get to choose between all these guysand then I find out oh no there's like something called The Bachelor and you're actually just oneof like a bazillion women and you just try to win his heart and I'm like oh well I guess I'lljust do that too then I guess if I have to do that first then that's what I'll do um yeah so that'show I thought I was going on The Bachelor but um anyways yeah so but honestly my story really
34:24isn't even about The Bachelor I mean that was so long ago like then what happened was I I umI go on another show called The Bachelor Pad which was what they had before Bachelor in Paradiseand there was like like to sum it up I basically looked like a fool on TV I mean I literallyif you want to laugh you can google Jamie Otis The Bachelor and you'll see how foolish I just likeit was so awkward really I like tried to be sexy and sultry and I'm like teaching him how to kisslike I'm like I didn't like the way he kissed me like I thought it was like it was just kind oflike wet and slimy and I was so then I'm like thought it was a guy to kiss but of course likehe's The Bachelor and he's like the prince so I look like the idiot and um then that's fine
35:09I mean I was mortified at the time and I was like I'm never going on TV again I'm not doing thisbut then someone from this show called but they called it the love experiment they called andthey were like oh are you having trouble dating in New York and I was like yes I am and then theysaid well would you like some experts to help you and they'll they're kind of they're gonna likeanalyze you and analyze multiple men in the tri-state area and um and if you get a match they'regonna help you like throughout the dating scene and I was like oh my god this sounds amazing I waslike sure and then like I was like okay I'll give this a shot and then at the final casting callthey said hey listen this is actually isn't called the love experiment this is married at first site
35:51and you're gonna marry a complete stranger and but like they're really they were really wisebecause all of the experts were there and they were just this was so different than The Bachelorin the sense that like it had been done in it was done in Denmark before and they showed thatepisode from Denmark and they said that one of the three couples were still together and they'reworking on having a baby and I was like wow like it just was so not like dramatized like Americantelevision and so I was like this is just a real they called it a docu series and they like saidthey genuinely wanted to see it it was like an experiment a social experiment is what they theystill call it that but now it's definitely more like a tv show um but it really was kind of like
36:35just a social experiment when I was on it and um and yeah I met my husband and it's been our sevenyear anniversary is coming up in a month here which is great of two months and it's like I'm crazyamazing we have two beautiful kids and so that's my story for the most part but Jamie you can'tfast forward that fast tell us about being on married at first site and marrying basically a strangerso I I like I was still the same awkward girl who had insecurities but at this point I was likeI am not holding back any of my story from these experts because I really wanted like true love Ireally did like I knew I was so awkward I did not have any like confidence in myself I was soinsecure and you know I just felt like I don't know I just felt like I didn't really I don't know
37:27like if it's like deserve like I knew I deserve someone good but I felt like anybody good wouldn'twant me because of like the get the baggage and whatnot and like just like my mom I mean she'sstill on and off drugs and I know she tries her best she always like lies about it um you knowof course because no one's really proud of it and whatnot and you know I don't know like mysiblings still live in upstate New York and like you know like live like a just a nice small townsimple life and my sister Leah kind of has a farm uh like a you know a very small one just like sheliterally grows cattle to like to eat them like you know like pigs like she will get them and thengrow them to eat them and that's kind of what she likes to do and she's it's the healthy it's like
38:11the cheapest organic meat for her and her family so it really works out and she just likes livingon a farm kind of thing and um but I know that a lot of I was just insecure that like anybodywould think that I don't know like I was just really protective of my family like I don't wantanybody to think I mean I don't know any sort of yes exactly and so anyways I was just superhonest and I was like if you can find a guy that I can bring home to my family and he will loveeven my mom like obviously I had issues with my mom and I still in a little bit do but likethat's my mom like I'm allowed to have those issues but you're not like like I still love herimmensely and you know like if you're gonna come in and just judge my family then it's never gonna
38:53work out because I I absolutely love my family like even though it's rough and so I just wasreally really honest for the first time and let me tell you like to like just let your skeletonsout of the closet and just be yourself holy crap that is so freeing and it's almost like then yourealize your skeletons really aren't that bad you're like oh actually there's so many other peoplethat have these same skeletons like it's really not that bad um like because I really felt like Iwas the only one that like had these issues and that I was just you know I don't know but likeno like girl like look around you like there's people all over that are struggling in differentways and and it's so freeing and it's also so I don't know like there's so much more like support
39:34if you just be honest about like where you're at so in any case that's what I did definitelyI always say that more like more people resonate with the struggles and real life nitty grittythan they do this like happy fairytale I'm so perfect I come from like a perfect family youknow what I mean like I think that it's and and unfortunately the ones that like really like thetrolls I feel like and we Lindsay and I talk about it all the time it's like they don't even realizehow miserable they are but like honestly I I have had the most support when I go through real rawhonest like the hard stuff type thing yeah yeah actually I mean same and so ever since I startedI'm like such a black or white all-or-nothing kind of girl I'm either gonna hide everything or I'm
40:19gonna like lay it all out there and then I lay it all out there and so ever since I started layingit all out there I literally I do not really hide anything like I am so just honest about likeeverything that's going on in my life on social media just on the shows like we're still shootinga show called married at first sight couples cam that's on lifetime right now and we and I alsolike shoot their after show married at first sight and filtered and I'm just that one is moreI'm definitely a TV host so I don't really have an opinion I literally just interview the guestsbut like on couples cam I just in myself and on social media I'm 100% myself and I'll tell youand I'll tell you like it is just so freeing like it's to just lay it all out there and you know
41:01and then you do you you get so much support because you're not the only one going through thesethings like you might think that you are but you're not and that kind of support is I meanit's just amazing so yeah totally agree I have two things Jamie the first questionis can we put kale on married at first sight um oh my god could you imagine me on married at firstthat would be so good right ever would you ever well first of all they don't okay so they don'tlike to have contestants with children but I feel like I wonder if we could make an exceptionlike seriously would you ever want to be on married at first sight oh my god yes that would beon TV gold I'm so awkward everything that Jamie described about herself being awkward is me like
41:59I have never gone on like a formal date like I have four fucking kids and three baby dadswell I had two baby dads and an ex-husband but like I won't go on a formal date because that'show fucking awkward I am so like if imagine me thrown into a situation where I have to marrysomeone like do you have to marry them or like how does that work yeah you absolutely it's alegal marriage before you know anything about them um okay yeah I mean if you're genuinelyserious about it of course I know like the CEO of the production company and um I would I'll forsure pick like I'll I'll ask them if you're genuine like take a take a moment to likethink about it I've took the moment I've already thought about it like let's do it no I kill has
42:42to do it um this would be amazing like do I get to invite people to a wedding like everyone willwear a mask of course but like do I get to have people there or no uh so you get to have 25 peopleon your side and 25 people will be on his side and you don't really get to figure out you don'tget to like at like you don't really get to be in control of a whole lot of anything like youlike the dress you get is gonna be from you know like the try on section well that's that'swhat my story like it was like but like to me it's like I don't care about all those details like Ijust want a true love like I don't care like what color my I want to go on this show Lindsay I wantLindsay to be there with me I want you to be on my side Jamie um I need to be I need to do this
43:27no like you don't understand Kale wants to find love so bad but she doesn't she looks at all thewrong places oh honestly this would be so good this would be so good this would yeah I will 100percent like shoot off an email then like right after we get off this after this podcast becausewhy not I mean so obviously they don't usually pick people who have like any sort of um likethey're scared that somebody is just look they literally do not like cast in Los Angeles eventhe production company is based out of LA because they really want people who genuinely want liketrue love and marriage but I'm like and also I made it you know where I made it and married atfirst sight in the casting before they realized I guess I was on the bachelor and like I'm just
44:18fortunate I guess that they chose me and I always say to them like thank you for not just like pushingme aside because just because I was on the bachelor does not mean that I am not taking this seriouslylike I genuinely want real love like so I feel like if I could say well I feel like that's mebecause I was on teen mom and I have four kids am I not worthy of love like I'm not worthy ofyeah I don't know so the thing with the kids is that they it's not that you're not because Iliterally said that to him there's two things two types of people that have never really been caston married at first sight and one is someone who has kids and the other is like older an older coupleand I always get questions like they always ask me like the fans are always like you know
44:58why like why and I'm like why that's a good question like let me ask and so they say that the wholething with with older they didn't really say an awful lot actually but with the kids they saidthey're just concerned for the kids that like they don't want to like put the kids in that situationfor it to potentially go sour so okay that makes sense but I mean if this is something but thatcould happen in real life too like if kill went out and dated yeah someone and you know it doesn'twork out yeah yeah exactly and also like if you have well Cal I mean I don't know like maybe ifyou have like close friends and family who can kind of support the kids while you're I mean becauseI mean you honestly you really just live your real life like you don't you don't right exactly yeah
45:46it's not like it's literally not like some fairy tale thing so like you would go the only fairy taleish part and it's not a fairy tale because it's crazy as you meet your spouse and get married soof course like at a wedding it's that's whimsical and beautiful and romantic and then I'm notI'm not romantic I just like romance is not my thing that's only because it's only because Cal is not likereally like found the truest love yeah like I'm so big I'm like a bigger framed girl andjust like super I guess like I guess you could say insecure you know so it's like weird for me to beable to like be comfortable in like a I would never like if someone asked to take me to a nice dinnerif I'm not already in a relationship with them for a long time I'm gonna say no okay so this is
46:44very exciting that you're interested in this because now my wheels are spinning and I'm likegeez like I think that I can make something happen for sure like this is seriously talk I'mactually thinking of maybe not like oh my gosh Cal like I'm thinking maybe not even married atfirst sight but your own your own thing and I will we should create my own spinoff yeah don't say toomuch don't give too much yes you better not say too much let's not say too much at all let's justhave another call let's do a group text yeah let's yeah for sure yeah and I literally think that wecan make something happen for sure okay and what what Lindsay our executive producers okay doneamazing ball my next thing oh my next thing we're still having an interview now I'm like wait I
47:34want it I've already like I'm already on this other idea okay let's continue this interviewno Jamie the body positivity like kale is super into that as well and just like thepostpartum and all the things I've only had one baby and it's been eight years but as I've watchedkale go through the journey and like the changes and watching your instagram and you go throughthe journey and the changes I'm just totally into the real and the rawness of what postpartumactually looks like because I think that instagram is such a space and kale and I've talked aboutthis so many times that it's such a space that we love but also a space that sometimes likedoesn't feel totally safe and um you know you always have to feel like you have to be like on
48:29your p's and q's or you know someone's gonna like make fun of you or say something negative aboutyou and your appearance how did you like really break out of the mold and just like becomecomfortable and like an advocate for other women okay so I think I think this is actually I'm justrealizing now kind of like the truth behind my ability to just like really be body positive tolike really put it all out there and so I had my son my I had my daughter my first daughterin um in august and this was you know she's actually like my second born baby I lost my first son umbut and even after this is the interesting thing is that even after my son who I lost um I stilllike you know like I still had like the postpartum like kind of like like weight gain and hormones and
49:26all that but I just didn't have a baby at home to be with me and so because I was so like justobviously like incredibly sad and just like in this deep dark depression I just like forced Ilike wanted this is gonna sound so um I don't know like dark but like I really kind of wanted to hurtmyself because I felt like I didn't and I don't mean that like I wasn't like trying to commitsuicide or anything like that but like I just wanted I pushed I ran so hard that it would hurtmy chest like I would run so hard that like I couldn't breathe and it was like and I lostmy son in July so it was in the the middle of the summer and it was so hot and I would go in themiddle of the day just because I I don't know why like I almost I just needed I felt so numb
50:09anyways and I felt like I like kind of um uh sorry I'm gonna get I haven't like gotten emotionalor this in a really long time but anyways um I just felt like I did him a disservice by not likemy body failed him like there was nothing wrong with him and my body failed him and it it justkilled me on the inside and so I wanted to like I just had to like run and like just like I don'tknow it was like the animalistic it was it about yes like like you had to feel something you had tofeel yes alive you had to feel something like was it that because that's like when you're tellingtelling this I that's what I picture yeah it's more like I wanted to feel pain like I wantedto hurt myself like not hurt myself but like kind of I don't know push yourself to the limits or
50:56yeah like and then obviously like I knew that like running it's like health like it gives youendorphins and it would it would make me so after I like pushed myself so so hard like I would feellike a little bit better you know like but also like for like weird reasons like for feeling thepain but for like also like I don't know I just did so anyways I never had any issue with likeyou know weight gain or whatever or postpartum with with him for that you know for that becauseI was like literally like forcing myself to to like push myself um and then with my daughterI was so busy when we were filming a TV show when I had her and they were it was no COVID so they werethe whole crew and Kay Kayl you know all about this like they well um be in your house and the
51:39whole nine things and so um yep you know I just was so busy working I was also a registered nursestill like working at the hospital so I had so much I was just so hard working that like I therewasn't a chance I felt like to have weight gain on because I was just constantly moving but thenwith my son it's COVID it's a pandemic and prior to even having him I'm you know isolated in myhouse like not going anywhere and I was eating my feelings like I would I'm not even kidding you Iwould eat like one night I literally had a half a gallon of ice cream and I was I didn't even feelsick I didn't even feel full like I was like I could have more this is weird like I don't knowwhy I can eat like this and not and then I finally get it like I get why some people can eat so much
52:22because like I don't know I just like felt like I needed to eat and so I did and I would have milkand cookies like I mean I would eat a bag of Oreos and like half a gallon of milk like and I wasjust like I didn't even feel sick like I just felt like I like it was fine so needless to say I havemy son in a like a home birth and whatnot and um which was pretty you know that's a whole otherpodcast episode but um you'll have a home birth too her last oh my goodness you that's so we haveso much in common I feel like we have to meet I live I live I live in Delaware I literally textedmy publicist like while we've been on this podcast and I'm like I love Jamie so much she's just likeme like we're the same we have we are I know I want to go back and watch your season of Teen Mom
53:05and I want to like yeah we have an awful lot in common seasons one and two are on Netflix they areI am literally gonna binge your show because now I want to get to know you through and obviously Iknow that TV is like you know it is what it is but uh I'm totally gonna go back and watch your shownow um but yeah so uh uh yeah so with my daughter and obviously I'm long-winded here I go tellingyou all about everything but um so with my daughter I definitely or with my son I I gained like and Istill am like I don't know 40 or 50 pounds overweight and it's definitely you know um noticeable like Iremember I was at like this small get together because it's COVID so there wasn't a lot of peoplethere but it was last summer and we were outside so we felt safe and um someone close to me said oh
53:53my god Jamie your boobs are so big and I'm literally like two months postpartum and I same it's notjust my boobs that are big clearly it's my whole body and so I literally said to her yeah my wholebody is a lot bigger like yeah like thanks for pointing it out and like literally everybodyjust stopped and looked at me and I was like this is awkward and so I almost I feel like I don'tknow like I feel like a I'm not I don't want to be like so insecure about myself like it's clearthat I am definitely bigger uh like da you can see it um but also like I don't want to miss out onlife with my kids because of my body like I and also like right and then another thing is likehow many I mean I just had a baby and whether I just had the baby or not it doesn't matter like
54:41I like my body does not is not the only thing about me that's worthy of like love and you knowand acceptance and whatnot and what does it I mean so many women gain weight and our bodiesare made to fluctuate and like morph in different sizes and stretch and grow and shape so whyI like I don't know like of course I was insecure about it and I I'm I almost like put myself outthere like super bare so that people would know that I am well aware that I have gained a lot ofweight but and and I almost did it like as like a uh like to kind of prevent myself from beingsuper ashamed of of myself like I knew that this could be some because I've never been and I'vealways cared about my like body I always thought skinny was beautiful I always thought that you
55:32know like no acne is the prettiest because that's what our society tells us but it's honestly it'snot true and also if you think about what a woman's body has looked like in the past it's consideredquote unquote beautiful and by the way that beauty is based on some dude's standard that like thenevery other person you know like men tend to dictate what makes a woman's body beautiful whichis not okay um because like they're not even women but uh like the standard has changed and it willcontinue to change endlessly so before you know Marilyn Monroe is like the most like the furthestback I can remember where and she had a curvy body and men loved the curves and then Twiggy comesaround and she's just a supermodel that's like literally a twig which is why her name's Twiggy
56:19and that's her body shape and it's beautiful she's beautiful Twiggy you know but then youknow that does not that's not everybody's body shape but yet that's like the standard that allwomen are held to and then here comes Kim Kardashian thank god for Kim Kardashian because she madebutts and boobs like a thing and so then now it's like nice to have butts and boobs but likenot everybody has this little to itty bitty waist like and quite frankly like if you I mean I'm sucha nerd I I do I would get like straight A's and I really loved like history was like one of mysubjects that I really loved and in history like the fatter you were the more fat you hadthe hotter you were the more desirable you were because it meant you had more food and you had
56:59access like you had you had more wealth essentially so throughout like history and bodies like literallyevery shape and size has like been desirable but now all of a sudden like you know we're only exposedto like what's on tv in the magazines prior to social media and now with social media you knowthere are some accounts out there and I'm trying to be one of those accounts myself to just bearit like it is and it's twofold for me it's a to help other women know that their their worthinessis not in their you know their lack of fat rolls and lack of cellulite because literally every singleone of us have fat rolls I don't care how skinny you are you got fat rolls like you got skin rollsand you got cellulite like it's just human nature but also like you know it's helps me like realize
57:44like it just helps me remind myself like I'm still worthy and I don't and also it's like theneverybody like when I saw I saw an old friend from the bachelor actually coincidence coincidentallyrecently and I was like saying to her like I just was so freeing that she already I'm obviouslysignificantly heavier than when we hung out last like I mean I'm like I'm like a whole other personkind of and it because I was like literally in a size zero and now I'm in a size like 12 or somethingI don't even know like I feel like sizes are all over the place but I'm definitely not in a size zeroand I was saying to her like it's just so freeing because I know that she's seen me in pictureson social media so she knew that I was bigger so it just helped me not feel so insecure like I was
58:24like oh she already knows that I'm bigger so it's not a big deal and it really wasn't a big dealit's fine it's it is it's just so freeing so that's where I'm at with I did you feel like thatLindsay knows no I truly I'm in a place right now where like I don't want to go see people becauseI'm not happy with myself and I don't like I've struggled with like Lindsay and I used to meetup I think like once a month almost for podcasting just so that we could get content for socialswebsite etc and like there was where points where like I didn't even want to go I would go I didn'twant to go because one I didn't fit into the clothes the same way I felt bigger I feltbloated and actually our last trip together was not this last one Philadelphia but in
59:07right before I had my son but I didn't know I was pregnant I was so bloated and so uncomfortableand I just felt disgusting and just like at a bigger point in my life like right now todayas I'm speaking this I'm at my highest weight I've ever been and I just I'm not happy withmyself and so like my clothes fit differently I don't Lindsay and I have a trip coming up andlike I just don't want like I I hate it so it's like one of those things where like half of mybrain is like go get fit which I'm going to the gym every day and then the other half of me is likeI'm almost 30 like just embrace your body like just be okay with it and like I am on some dayslike on some days I'm okay but on other days I'm like holy shit I hate my body so it's just like
59:49one of those things where like and then like Lindsay's super fit and super thin and like just likelike what I aspire to be and so like then it not that it's Lindsay's fault it's not Lindsay's faultright right I feel even bigger because I'm like wow like I would you know in 2016 I was at thehealthiest I've ever been like worked out I you know I did have surgery I had cosmetic surgerybut I maintained it for the entire year like until I got pregnant like I and I was so happywhen I was there but like now I can't get the weight off to save my life like I don't knowwhat's going on well first of all like truly like like just like woman to woman like you areyou are beautiful like truly truly truly I can promise you that and I have I don't actually
01:00:32I don't even know what you look like I've got to be really really honest I don't I have to likeno that's okay I really don't even know what you look like which is very crazy because I'm surethat everybody listening is like god have you lived under a rock like and I'm sure when I see youlike I will know who you are because you've probably been on every magazine and I'm sureI've seen you and you know like on commercials and whatnot but like I can tell you without evenseeing you that you are so beautiful like I just talking to you like I can just you radiate beautylike you really do and I feel like oh my god stop it no I'm serious I'm not even like I'm deaddead serious and like I think that I'm actually like creating this whole course right now it's
01:01:09called become body positive and I haven't really put it out there too much because I'm liketrying to like tweet fine tune it and stuff but like because like when you say I don't know if Ishould just try to lose weight continue to try to lose weight to get back to that goal weight orjust embrace my body like I just don't know I like want to be like girl just embrace your bodybecause you're not going to lose and I do want some days I think I think social media which isanother thing that Lindsay and I talk about all the time is like social media makes it so hardwhen we're constantly comparing ourselves to other people and like what we're the quote unquotesupposed to be or supposed to look like or yes you know what I'm saying and so that it makes it
01:01:46very very difficult and it's just something that I've struggled with since I was in high schoolprobably before that like my weight is very like I have a ton of friends who their weight doesn'tchange like unless they're pregnant their weight doesn't change where mine I literally will fluctuatepounds of weight within a week so it's just very different for me like I I don't know like I juststruggle a lot with it so like some days I do I feel so good about myself I'm like it's fineas long as I'm working out and I feel good it doesn't matter but then other days I'm likeI really just need to drop this weight like that's just the goal so I just I go back and forth withit that's so normal I feel like honestly that is so normal and normal and even I like you know
01:02:25someone who is actively trying to embrace my body as is like of course even I struggle with that Imean and it's because like everything that's thrown in our face is that you're really not beautifuland you're not worthy unless you're you know size X or you're going to be so much happierwhen you are size X and lose this amount of weight because and like the because of that is becausethen like you're what society dictates as beautiful and and then you're gonna have like some sort ofself-worth I mean you're so not alone there like I mean it's so so normal and your feelings are soincredibly validated like like just so valid I should say like so yeah you're not alone therebut I don't know if I could give any advice like at all it's just like I so okay one time when I
01:03:12was younger I was so I was a cheerleader in high school and I was like kind of like the biggercheerleader like and I wasn't even big oh my god looking back now I'm like girl you weren't even biglike but um I ended up in the first job I ever got was Arby's which is obviously not like of courseI'd always ate it I was 14 mine was Wendy's I have to say that um McDonald's is forever my faveI love me um cheese burger with no pickles and fries and a coke like oh my god that's the bestmeal for McDonald's if you ask me but um uh anyway so I and so then the other the like the next jobthat I got was this chocolate store job while I was a cheerleader and I'm like these are not jobsthat are going to help me with my physique like I just want to eat I get a discount on both of the
01:04:00like the fast food and the chocolate and I'm going for it but um I remember this girl came in to thechocolate store and she was bigger she wasn't like you know I mean she was she was definitely biggerbut she was so confident in her like she was so beautiful and she just radiated beauty and I waslike you know what I'm never going to be what's interesting hear this whole story out okay Iwas like I am never going to be a size zero I'm just never going to be a size zero that's not inmy body like my mom's bigger everyone's bigger I'm never going to be small like I I should justembrace who I am and I'm not even kidding you soon after that I got a job as a waitress at Applebee'sand I started to just embrace my body and love myself just the way I am and I'm not even kidding
01:04:42you first of all the weight like literally like melted off me and I wasn't even trying for it Iwas literally I literally didn't even care I stopped caring about the food I was eating I stopped andit's funny because when you stop caring and putting all this weight on and like all thisimportance on every calorie that you're eating and every type of food that you're eating all of asudden you just kind of eat like like only like what do you really your body needs and you stopovereating you don't binge you don't deprive yourself like you just eat so steadily and justso in like such a nurturing way and I kid you not I mean I literally have photos of evidence of allthis like I just the weight that's when I started that's when I went down to like a size zero I just
01:05:23and I wasn't even trying I was always someone who loved to run I've always loved to run it justlike those the runner's high is so real and so I've always like kind of strived for that andI've always ran so I always like I ran when I was bigger and I ran when I'm smaller I mean I don'treally run now because I am like quite frankly like lazy but um I should actually start runningbecause it might give me that runner's high um but uh I go for like walks for it instead whichreally isn't the same but you know it's better than nothing but honestly to be very very honestlike the weight just melted off when I started to embrace myself and this whole thing that I have nowis like I don't want like someone's goal to be like for the become body positive like I'm not
01:06:06going to be like listen embrace yourself in the way it's going to fall off that's not the goallike the goal is to just embrace yourself and just love yourself and whether the weight falls offor not just I mean like like just embrace yourself and it's just a nice side effect if you start tolose a little weight because now all of a sudden you're not putting so much importance on everysingle bite you take or trying not to take the next bite and then binging like the day laterbecause you're just freaking hungry like ah like that's kind of how I feel about that like you knowI wish I could share that with you more like social media doesn't make it easy for anyone I meanI mean it's so true you started TV at 23 years old from your bachelor days Kale's been on TV
01:06:48since she was 16 or 17 years old I think my first scene on Chris Lee knows best I think I was 22 or23 years old I was a hundred pounds from my first scene of Chris Lee knows best I had a baby and nowI am like fluctuating between 112 and 115 and literally get comments sometimes that peoplesaying oh it looks like you had filler in your face it's just like no you just saw meat 100 pounds when I was 22 years old and now I'm 31 and I have you know better habits and it'syou know I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum I have to you know make sure that I'm gettingenough calories and doing all of the things so I think to everybody's point in this conversationthat every woman can relate to some degree because we all struggle in different ways
01:07:45and it's just nice to like have a community of people whether you feel overweight or whetheryou feel underweight or whether you just like don't feel worthy that there are people out therethat are fellow women they're advocating you know for you to feel good about yourself and Iactually kind of love that you're on the other end of the spectrum and you actually have to takein calories to try to stay healthy because that's also a thing that's never that's rarely talkedabout and then if you say something like that women are like oh nice problem for you to have likeI wish I had that problem but it's like actually this is a this is a sincere issue that I might haveand you know like it's just um it's just like humanizes literally all of our problems like
01:08:30like all of the weight and I think that like that the fact that like weight is such and like a topicof conversation and something that's on someone's mind almost every single day for probably I meanlike I don't know like most people think about their body and their weight like literally everysingle day but I'm telling you that there was a time in my life that I didn't really think aboutit like I just didn't really care and that really was like the smallest I ever was and it was thehealthiest I ever was and I kind of want to like help I don't know help women and men if they havethis struggle but doubtful because women like I personally like women just don't judge men the waythat I feel like men judge at all but um yeah like we like love them skinny fat we don't we love them
01:09:13all and like but for them they're like you gotta have a big butt and a tiny waist or you I don'twant a big butt like you know big boobs are my thing and it's like f you like how about what aboutmy brain and my personality um but uh I guess like that's like kind of like my my mission is to justkind of like minimize like the importance that we put on our weight in our body and like to reallykind of like I don't know accentuate our like our talents like our other talents that we have likewe I mean some people are such good artists some people are like so therapeutic to talk to likeI mean there's so many different talents and like oh my god why do we spend so much time talkingabout like how much weight we have on our body or what size jeans we're in I agree well I know that
01:09:59we are running out of time for today's episode however I feel like we could talk for like fivemore hours and not get bored um I know yes but can you tell our listeners where they can find youon Instagram and your podcast etc oh yeah absolutely so I'm at Jamie N Otis it's JamieN Otis because my middle name is Nicole and I'm not even kidding you I made the handleJamie N Otis because I was like oh that makes me look more professional doesn't it like to haveyour real initial in there yeah yeah yeah um and then so yeah so on Instagram is at Jamieand Otis and that's like Twitter and everything and then um the podcast our podcast is Hot MarriageCool Parents and you can download that and listen to that wherever you're listening to this podcast
01:10:46I love that yes I love it all right guys well I hope you enjoyed this episode if you have notfollowed us on at coffee combos podcast on Instagram make sure you follow us over thereand if you have not subscribed to us make sure you do that from your favorite podcast app if youare an Apple user you can do that from the purple podcast app on your iPhone type in coffee combosclick subscribe click the fifth star and leave us a written review we hope you guys have a greatweek and we'll talk to you soon see you
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