Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 142: Lindsie's Painting Problem, True Crime Theories, and Partners With Different Upbringings

Episode Date: February 4, 2021

Kail and Lindsie are back for another episode, and Lindsie is coming in hot this week to talk about the current frustrating situation she is facing while having her house painted. Then after weeks of waiting Lindsie and Kail are finally ready to discuss the 20/20 special on JonBenét Ramsey. Find out their thoughts and theories about the case and the special itself. And what happens when partners in a relationship had very different emotional upbringings? Does coming from a messed up family make for a better partner? Kail and Lindsie talk about how something like this can affect a relationship This episode was sponsored by: Imperfect Foods, Recovery Center of America, Proactive, & KiwiCo Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Coffee Combo's podcast. Kale. It was like podcast. Yeah, I'm practicing the vibrato. I love it. I love it. How's your singing lessons going? They're good.

They're real good. They're going well. Kale, you're such a liar because you're not even in lessons. Well, my acting skills are getting better. Obviously not because I just caught you. Oh, shit. So what have you been doing? Anything fun?

Um, no, not, not. I haven't really had a fun morning either. I went and got waxed and then went to Dunkin Donuts and almost got hit like on the way and it's just like whatever, but I seriously cannot wait to tell you about my freaking weekend weekend. You've been waiting for this. The fact that you didn't, you've refused to text it to me. I was just like, wow, you're really going to make me wait until we get on the podcast.

Like you're really going to make me wait. I'm really dedicated to Coffee Combo's podcast. Honestly. So I have been trying to get the house painted for quite some time, but I know that I think I said on here that we had to have our roof replaced or whatever. So I wanted to get that done first cause I was told that if you're doing like these types of projects to work from like the top to the bottom. And so I had the roof replaced like two and a half or three weeks ago and then had the

painters come out, um, picked paint colors, pick the type of paint, you know, and all of that. And then, um, they kept flaking and I was like, okay. What do you mean they kept flaking? You can't, that's not a thing. It's a company and keep flaking. I know. Well, so, okay.

So let's just like back up a little bit because when we moved into this house, the only responsibility that will had was to hire movers. Like I took care of everything else, like the closing, the checks, like everything, like I took care of everything. I just said, I just need you to hire movers. So will goes on Craigslist and hires movers, but didn't tell me that he went on Craigslist and hire movers. So mind you, these people show up at my house and tear up my hardwood floors that had just

been installed. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So then I tell them, like I let them get everything moved in whatever. And I tell Will, I'm like, you need to make sure before they leave that you get a copy of like their insurance because they're going to have to pay for this damage that they did to my floors. It was like $6,000 worth of damage. So, oh yeah, these people were not licensed or insured, just randos on Craigslist.

So I literally wanted, if I have ever like wanted to harm someone in my life, wanted to harm Will in that moment, in that moment, yes, yes. So I was very particular when finding a paint company because Will wanted to be involved in this whole process. And anytime Will gets involved in something, it's very chaotic and like doesn't make sense. So that must be a man thing. That has to be a man thing. Have you experienced this before?

Yes. So I tell him, I'm like, okay, he has some like person come over again. I think it was like a Craigslist thing that repaired like a gutter or something for us one time. And then he said, I think that he would be a good painter. So I'm going to ask him to come over and like give us a quote. Not that Will had ever seen any work that this man had done or like just assumed that he was a good painter.

Yeah. And I said, well, if someone's going to one, like be on our house, have ladders, like all of that, they need to be licensed and insured. And in the event that they tear something up that like they have insurance. So he's like, okay, well, I'm pretty sure he's not like licensed and insured or whatever, but it would be totally fine. So we end up finding a company that is, they give us a quote, come out, do all the things the proper way.

They come out to do the like inspection before I guess they like start the project and then don't hear anything from them. So I'm thinking like, okay, maybe they thought, oh, this was going to be an easy job and it's like a harder job than what it was. And they're just like flaking and never coming back, like whatever. So then Friday morning rolls around and I start hearing like gushes of water and I thought it was like my washing machine, like busting through the ceiling, like I didn't know what it was.

No, I look outside and they're literally like sanding and pressure washing my house, like unannounced, like nobody told me that they were coming. Okay. And I'm like, what is going on and like, is there any form of communication like in my world whatsoever? So they're definitely like will probably yes, I did them because he's a man and he knew, oh, like they'll just come. Yes, that's exactly what happened and it's so annoying.

And I'm like, no, like you tell people about these types of things. So these, they're like out there doing whatever, so then they leave and I am definitely a type of person that I like the instant gratification. So when somebody starts something like I want it done like right, but I also want it done fast. And I want to see the exact same way. Yes. Like I'm spoiled in that way because a lot of my life, like the people that work for

me and things like that, they are that way. Like they, that's just how they are. Even before they knew me, they just work like that. So I have become accustomed to that. Yes. And for example, like if I'm doing a project in the house or like even like simple task like laundry or if I have a task of cleaning like all my baseboards upstairs or whatever, like it's something that I start on one day and I finish on one day and it just like drives

me nuts. If there's just like stuff just kind of hanging out there, like needs to be done. So gets better. They leave half the paints off of my house at this point, half the shit sanded. And I feel like we just look like crazy people living in this house. So then the next day rolls around and they show back up will claims he goes outside and half of the house is white and like all the other sides are not the right color. So I'm like, wait, what?

I'm like, what is going on? Like, I guess they started painting from one house of the side, like one side of the house and we're like working their way around or whatever. So it just looked like really crazy because my house has like a base color, a trim color and then like a different shutter color. And then we have brick as well. So there was like a lot going on and I am completely changing that. So like the trim and the base color is all going to be the same color and the only outliers

are going to be my door and my shutters. Wait. I don't know. Can I stop you right there? Just from a cost standpoint, was it cheaper to re for to re side the house and it was to paint it because I feel like painting would be more work. Well painting, I think is a lot of work, but I have Hardy Plank on my house, which we'll hardly plan.

Hardy Plank and brick. I'll have to send you like a picture of what it looks like. So okay, because I only have like regular horizontal siding. Okay. Yeah. No, it's like vinyl siding. Yeah. I don't have vinyl siding.

I have, I have Hardy Plank, but I'll, I'll send you a picture and show you what it looks like. Okay. However. So I'm like, okay, now I'm really freaking out because the contrast of my house is so vast. Like it goes from like earth tones to now like my house is like creamy white. So just imagine like the color scheme that's going on at this point.

So then I go on the weather and I'm like, it's seriously going to rain and it's going to be like a big problem. Yes. Rain's coming and I see the guys like packing up their stuff and it's like the middle of the afternoon and they're like, we'll be back on Monday. And I'm like, okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is Saturday, by the way.

No, no, no, I see where this is going. So they wanted to leave your house half painted, half unpainted. It's not even half painted at this point. It's like quarter of the way painted, okay. They leave. I haven't been able to sleep since freaking Friday. Like I am exhausted. They left paper, they left that like plastic paper all over my windows.

Oh, this is another thing. This is how I found out that they were painting. I kept hearing banging around and I opened up my blind in my bathroom. Oh yeah. It's completely covered up. Like you can't even see out of it because they've like taped all the shit up and they left all of the tape on my windows, all of the like plastic paper. It's been like flailing in the wind.

It sounds like ghost or outside of my house, like literally nuts. So then my neighbor that lives behind me messages me and says that like basically inquires what's going on because her dog's scared because they keep hearing crazy noises coming from my house because of this fucking paper that's like flailing in the wind. And then Will's like, you need to calm down. Like you want instant gratification. I'm like, this has been going on for what seems like forever. It's far too long.

My porch furniture is like in the middle of my yard. My front porch furniture is in the front of my yard. I can't use my garage, can't even park in it. Why? Why can't you use your garage? Because my garage door got painted and we're supposed to not lift it up. So I don't know how long it takes to cure that because I can't get in touch with the damn people to find out like when I'm allowed to lift it up.

I thought they were coming back today. Nope. They're not here. Paper still flailing in the wind. Oh, and also I was walking around my house to like look at the work that had been done and I look in the bushes and there's frying pans and a hot plate. A what? Frying pans, two frying pans, like large frying pans and a hot plate and my bushes.

And what did you do about that? I left it there. What am I supposed to do? I don't know. Pick it up. And what are they doing? Feels like I'm pretty sure they were cooking empanadas out here or something and I'm like, so you saw them using the frying pans and the hot plates or is this squatters or like

what is happening? Are they frying eggs out here? Like what is going on? Like I have. What if Will did that? Seriously, what if Will did that? Oh, and by the way, today he is at his like real office because he had to go in and like print a bunch of documents and stuff for me.

So he's at his real office. So this is the first day since March of last year that I've had the house completely to myself. And it's about that time. Yeah, it's about that time, Kale. And if he didn't leave today, he better be glad he left today because these painters didn't show back up today and I was about to be like, you're going to go paint the house. I think Lindsay, I think you should paint the house.

I think I absolutely should not paint the house. Kale, you don't understand how crazy it looks. It's like, no, I bet I'm, I'm the same way, like, especially when I first moved to Middletown and my house was getting painted, um, just like the several, like when you expect something and then that's not like, I'm like, Oh, it'll be done in a week. You know, so like I, I really bank on that Friday, it's getting done. And then he's like, I'll be back on Monday or Tuesday and it's like, no, when, like at what time, like I need to know, I need answers.

And then I'm just like bitching. I'm like walking around the house and I'm just like, that's wrong. That's wrong. That needs to be pine straw. That needs to be plucked. That needs to be whatever and wills like you need to calm down, like you absolutely need to calm down and find something to do. So that's, that's been my life.

Yeah. That's my weekend in a nutshell. So how was yours? Um, it's been kind of a blur. I'm not really sure what I even did. Um, I know we took, I went took Lincoln to training on Saturday. I love seeing their training videos and like luck trying to catch the football. He just tries so hard.

He wants to be a part of it so hard. And I just, I love that for him. And I hope that he continues like through his life, like wanting to commit. Like I want him to watch his brothers like commit to sports and commit to things that they love. Like Isaac, we're still trying to figure out like what he loves, but I hope that him watching his older brothers be committed to something. I hope that he's also has that same, um, like drive drive the commitment.

I love it. Yeah. I love it. Wait, wait, wait. I have something go on this weekend that we said we were going to talk about on here. The video that you posted, the reaction video. You're right. Okay.

So you're right. You're right. Um, I went to Connecticut last Thursday for a Boudoir shoot for like, um, a partnership that I was doing and my friend slash publicist had sent me a video that she saw on Twitter. And this was, okay, evidently, I have to give some backstory because I feel like, um, this evidently this girl who did this video, this, um, bus it challenge video. People knew who she was. Like she's not some like random person.

Like she's like, I don't want to say a public figure, but like she's like known on social media. I guess her name is like slim Santana or something like that. So she's known for like making videos and stuff, you know, things of that nature. So everyone's freaking about, uh, freaking out about this video and I hadn't seen it yet. And I was like, all right, let me pull over. And, you know, Kristen and my publicist were like, do a reaction video.

So I'm like, all right, um, hadn't seen the video and I don't have Twitter anymore. So I haven't had Twitter since like, I don't know, like June, I like tried to come back and then I didn't. And then whatever. So I closed my account. I can't even view like tweets. Like if someone were to send me a video, I can't, it won't open. So Kristen, I'm doing the reaction on my phone while Kristen shows me her phone and the Twitter

and I open it. And I knew it was a bust of challenge, but I didn't know what the fuck I was getting myself into this girl, like kudos to her because when I drop it down like that, like I can't move anymore. Like there's no more movement for me. Um, my, my knees are not, they are not Megan, so she drops it down on someone like naked a man. And the things going through my head right now are like, what prompted you to put this

on Twitter? Secondly, I'm just cracking up and third, like I just didn't, like, that's not what I expected. Like that's just, nobody even prepared me for what I was about to watch. So then I get a bunch of message. I like did my reaction video and I was like, Oh wow, like I was under the impression everyone knew about this like white robe video. Like I, I didn't know that anyone would have thought that this was a video of Janelle.

Um, so then I have like half the comments thinking like I'm so rude for making fun of Janelle's bust it challenge. And then she does a clap back. As if, let me just pause you really quick as if she's the only one that has ever done a bust it challenge. Like everybody who is like avid tiktokers has done it. Right. So I just, for me, I was like, and I'm, she has me blocked, which is fine.

Me too. So I didn't also know about the clap back video until later on, like several days later. Mind you, I know that she has a bust it challenge because people sent it to me weeks ago. Why would I just now be reacting to her bust it challenge? You know what I mean? Like, right. I was freshly reacting to people showing me the white robe girl, um, Slim Santana, I guess is her name.

I think, and don't quote me on that because I'm not even absolutely positive, but, um, this podcast here is just to clarify that I was not making fun of Janelle. I had no Janelle in mind in any way, shape or form during the making of my reaction tiktok. Um, it was not teen mom related at all. Um, but if you've seen the video, you know what I'm talking about, um, just, I literally sent it to Lindsay just because I wanted to see her reaction, um, but she didn't send me a reaction video. She just reacted in text, but from now on, I'm going to require, um, video reaction.

But why did you do that to me? Because I was going to send you a bill from Apple for my new iPhone because you made me drop my phone and I hate you for that. I'm so sorry. I, um, I don't know. What if I would have been sitting like in carpool or something public and like that happened. I would have been mortified, I would have been like, Oh, remember like, I think it was like two years ago.

Like I, my friends knew me for sending like raunchy shit from the internet that would come up on like Twitter and Instagram. And I would literally send it to like my favorite friends and get, I would just laugh at their reactions. Like that's what I love to do. And I haven't done it in a long time. So when I was sent that video, I was like, yes, like old kale back in the game. Like I get to send it to like random people.

I feel like I remember talking about that on the podcast like two years ago, how I used to, I feel like we have talked about this, but you know, a little disclaimer, like not safe for work would have been nice in that scenario, sorry. But yeah, I was going to send you a bill from Apple. If my phone was cracked, I was going to be like, um, excuse me, ma'am, like part of me. So anyway, moving on from the bus it challenge, people are dying. The fact that we did not talk about the 2020 John Benet special last week and you know, Kale didn't watch it because she didn't have the right Hulu account.

So I gave her like all of our login credentials and she was able to log in and watch. So spill the beans. First of all, time out, time out, time out. I really, before we get into the 2020, um, all of that being said, so I tried to get the 2020 thing on demands, right? So like I have a cable package where you have things on demand. I have not watched cable. Like I can't even tell you the last time I watched cable, right?

So I didn't really know. I thought that you could just get anything on demand, like anything that's on your cable. Like I thought you could get it on demand. So that's what I thought was happening there. Secondly, I already pay for Netflix. Okay. So I, someone had logged into Hulu and I want to say it was like my ex's like sister or something like two years ago.

So I was like, bet, like I have Hulu. No, it un, it logged me out, probably they changed the password when we broke up. I don't know. Um, which is fine. Um, and then Kristen gave me her login for her Hulu. So I was like, all right, cool, like I'm going to search it. No, it's not available on that Hulu account. The own, or like the package, it had to only be a Hulu package that was like, um, $65 or

something. And it's like, okay, I understand not wanting to pay for cable, like the monthly package, but then if you're paying for Netflix and then you're also paying for like the highest Hulu package, and then you're also paying for like, I don't know, like Amazon or HBO or like whatever other streaming services there are, aren't you also just paying for like, isn't that the same amount as cable? Listen, I have been having this conversation not only in my head, but out loud in my house. I'm like, okay, we basically just like turned one problem into a next problem.

We've just become like more, I guess, with the times with like all these streaming services and just not having cable, but it's like we have all the streaming services. So we have HBO Max, Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime, whatever Amazon's thing is. We have all of them. So I'm like, there's no telling honestly how much is being paid to have all of these services. But yeah. So I'm glad that you were able to get on ours. So I guess that we have the like, Crimdill Crim package.

Yes, yes, you do. So that was, yes. So I get on and I'm thankful for that. It's still logged in. I never logged out, but you can kick me out if you want. That's fine. Oh no, you don't have to. You can, you can stay on.

We don't care. Okay. Well, thank you for that. I was not impressed by the 2020 special at all. Well, I also was not, okay, as far as like a special was concerned, I don't feel like there was a ton of new information the way they hyped it up, like in the previews for it. However, I did feel like there was like a little bit more information to let me draw

different conclusions than what I had before, if that makes sense. I felt like it was more a tribute to Lou Smith than it was anything, which I mean, rightfully so, I feel like just given all the information that he had and all the work that he had put into the case, along with all the other, they said that he had like a 90% rate for closing cases. And so I feel like that was definitely, like I respected that and I feel like that was definitely owed to him and his family that it was passed down to as far as like actual information to the case and new information and any, any closer for it to be solved.

Because I didn't feel like it offered a whole lot. I can't say that I, the ending was surprising to me because, and I'm sorry if you guys didn't get a chance to watch this, we did try to give like an extra like week or two, but there was an ending part, it was close to the end where John Bonet's dad walks with one of the anchors. And he was like, you know, there's, oh, there's gonna be like 10 or 15% of people who believe that I was involved in this. And like the way that that whole like segment was showed, I definitely had a little bit

of sympathy like, okay, maybe he wasn't involved, but the other part of me like where you can't, you don't want to fit the evidence into your own theory. You want to form your theory based on the evidence and I think that people have a really hard time. Like the things that I cannot get over are the ransom note and they didn't even include the fact that it was written in the house with their notebook and their pen. Like it could have been Patsy Ramsey, it might not have been Patsy Ramsey, but the end of the day that three page long ransom note was written in their house.

I can't get over that and I can't get over that. The dad was the one that found her and then like all of that stuff, like there's just certain things that I cannot get over to have a new theory. Okay. So I did want to, I agree on actually absolutely all of that. However, there was a couple of things that I wanted to point out. And again, if you guys didn't get a chance to watch the newest 2020 Jon Benet special, go back and watch it and then re-listen to this because it'll make more sense.

Okay. I don't know if you remember, but they were talking about how the alarm had been set that night, but they had, I don't remember that. They had also been to like a Christmas party at a mutual friend's house. It had snowed and there was no like tracks in the snow from somebody walking to indicate that there would have been an intruder to the window that was open. So my theory on this is if it is, if it was in fact an intruder, it would explain the different DNA that didn't match anyone in her family underneath her nails.

And in her panties, like that was consistent DNA. What if this is a hypothetical? What if the intruder knew that they were gone, went into the house, like maybe they didn't set the alarm when they went to their friend's house, went into the house and was in there when they went to bed. I mean, I feel like that would have had, that would have been the only way for an intruder to get in because I, they also talked about the jury could not let go of the fact that there was cobwebs in the window sill.

So we all know and I literally, I literally thought about all the videos I posted over the summer of the spiders in my windows at my, my Middletown house and the spiders will really replicate a spider web literally the next day. You could take it down and might the same exact spiders would come back and replicate the web. The thing about what was in the 2020 special was these old dusty ass cobwebs in the corner. A spider is not coming in and recreating these old dusty ass webs. They're fresh webs.

There's no dust in them. They're brand new webs. Like I literally watched it firsthand and none of them had stuff like caught in them. You know what I'm saying? The ones in the special and the pictures and the videos were old and dusty and a spider was not coming in to recreate those. Do you know what I'm saying? So to me, I don't think that an intruder went in through that window because you, they're

just, those are old dusty webs. They're not fresh, new, brand new spider webs. The other thing about the DNA on under her nails and in her panties, from the pictures, it looked like when she had wet herself because that's what the whole thing was like. She had Peter pants. Was that true? Yeah. Um, the pictures had like the urine on them or whatever.

How do we know that whoever, even if it was a male, it could have been an uncle, a male friend didn't help her go to the bathroom or put her pajamas on at the party because I know in the past as a mom, I've brought in pajamas places to change my kids before we get in the car and go home. That's true. And then another thing that someone had actually messaged me said that the panties were like hand me downs. So it technically could have, if that is, if that is in fact true, then it would have

traces of different DNA, right? So that could be, that could be true. I can't, I can't get past the fact that, um, the, I believe it was the, let me see what her name was. Um, I believe it was the housekeeper, I believe, but just hold on one second. I'll tell you, um, it was, yeah, Linda Hoffman Pugh, who was their housekeeper. So it was weird because she placed some blame like towards Patty and then Patty placed some blame towards her, like an information that I read, like I have gone down like many rabbit

holes. So that to me is like very weird, um, why a housekeeper would blame her, like blame the mother and then the mother, like place the blame on towards the housekeeper or like indicate that it potentially could have been the housekeeper. That to me, it's just like just very strange. And then another thing that was really strange was if we're going with the theory that it was the parents and the brother and you know, it's like all a cover up. It makes sense why they were allowing people to like be in their house, wiping off their

counters and doing like all of that stuff and not stopping them from doing that. Like there's no telling how much evidence, if it, if it was in fact like an outside person outside of the home and they were looking for DNA, there's no telling how much evidence they could have gotten rid of. If that's the case, right. And to me, I'm not a handwriting expert, but to me, there was too many similarities with the mother's handwriting. Well, who feels comfortable enough to not only kill the daughter while everyone's home,

but then to proceed to write the three page letter with the exact amount from the dad's bonus, like none of it makes sense. Like I just, I can't, for me, I don't know, like it's just so, it's so hard. Like I, the only thing that is throwing me off, like literally the only thing is the DNA under the nails, because if the DNA under the nails does match the, the DNA from her long johns or her panties, that is weird to me, unless it again was someone from like the party that they went to. So I said the same thing when I was watching it, I was like, okay, who's to say, I mean,

I don't want to sound like somebody was like molesting her or anything like that at this party or whoever these family friends were. I don't know all the details on that front, but what if something like that had happened, let's say at the party that she was at, then she came home, right. And then this all happened. There could have been potential for someone else's DNA to be under her nails and in her panties. So that like, that would make sense.

The only thing that makes sense to me is if it wasn't intruder that they would have been in the house at some point during the time that the Ramses were at this party, I would have loved to be one of the jurors that got to go tour the house because I just thinking from a perspective where like my old, my, my Middletown house, there's two sets of stairs, one in the back of the house and one in the front of the house. If it was like that, I definitely think someone could have come in the house and, you know, taken one of my kids without me hearing. But I can't imagine that like she couldn't, she wasn't going to scream, right?

That's what was weird. That's what's weird to me. And there's just too much trauma, like the head to the trauma to her head. An eight inch skull fracture, but that's not even what killed her. What killed her was the strangulation. But you mean to tell me that someone took this little girl out of their bed, out of her bed and she didn't, I mean, I know she had duct tape over her mouth whenever they found her, but you mean to tell me that no, I would like to see how far away her room

was from Burke's room, how far away her room is from her parents' room. I want to see, like I would have loved to see like the layout of their house, because I know they said it was like 69 square feet, which is the same around the same as my Middletown house. And that's, I mean, I def, somebody could have definitely gone into the one of the rooms and then I'm not hear them just on how the setup is, but how my house is now. You couldn't, there's no way that they would be able to do something like that and nobody would hear anything.

Oh, and then I want to make another point too is that if we're going with a theory that Burke like hit her on top of the head and no way a nine year old had that type of strength. There's no way. There's no, no, no matter how mad he is, there's no way, but let's say he had something to do with it. If you watch any documentary on John Bonnet, it's almost like he was an invisible child. So like, was there a lot of resentment? Like they mentioned Burke and they talk about him and his, you know, relationship to her,

but it's almost like the sun set and rose with her. Like it wasn't, it wasn't like, Oh, you know, we have these two children and we're such doting parents over these two children, it's like she's the star and she, you know, but I will say that that's, that's something that I think when one child dies, that's what that's what it seems like, right? Like I remember my family talked about, you know, my mom's sister passing away when she was 18 and it was like, my mom kind of fell into her dead sister's shadow because when her sister died, you only remember the good things, the positive things, how pretty they

are, how smart they are, how involved she, you know what I mean? So it was almost like my mom kind of fell into the shadow, even though they, they did some, a lot of the same things. So I will say to that point, and just with how famous the case became, I feel like that, I could see how that, unfortunately, how he kind of got lost in the sauce, you know what I mean? It's just sad, you know, and I mean, I'm sure that very sad happened in real life. Like I'm, you know, like in, like you're saying, you know, with your mom, I just wish that

some of these documentaries would have also covered a little more because I think that there would have been less bias and less people to automatically assume Burke had something to do with it. Had they fairly represented him in the documentaries, like, oh, well, he was also involved in, you know, this, that, and whatever, like, it's just all about her. Yeah. Like was he, was he involved in anything? Was he, I wonder, did he have any sense of like a normal childhood after all of this

happened? I would be so curious to even just like interview him. I, I don't know, I feel like, didn't he do some like random interview, like years and years and years later, and it was just super awkward and he had a smirk on the whole time. I want to know why he was kept so like private. Did he choose that? Did people choose it for him? Or what did he know that they did not want him to A, remember, or B repeat?

Right. Right. I would hope that I never knock on wood. Like I hope I'm never in that position. But if I had nothing to hide, why wouldn't my other sons get to speak on a child that passed away? You know what? There's their sibling that passed away.

Why couldn't they have a say in it, whether they're children or not? Like, why couldn't they be interviewed? If I have nothing to hide, I'm going to offer my kids, my other kids to be, you know what I mean? I 100% agree and my final, you're probably going to be like, I don't know what you're going to say to this. What's your theory? Tell me now.

My final theory is that John Benet had a bed wedding problem. Yes. I think she wet the bed. She cried out. I think Patty went in there and in a fit of rage, hit her on top of the head with something. And then realized, oh my God, I've like really hurt her. And then I think because of, there was probably a ruckus of some sort. I think the dad got involved and I don't think he was involved in any of like, the

herding her, right? But I definitely think he was involved in the staging of the entire thing. I think Patty then like, they started freaking out and I think she said, oh my God, like we've got to do something because to me, when I watch the documentary, one thing that I did notice from this 2020 special was I feel like she was a manipulator. Yes. 100%. I felt the same way.

I felt the same way. And if you watch all of the specials, um, Patsy Ramsey and her husband did not have the same attorney, um, which presents con like a potential for conflict in, you know, the scenarios. Um, I definitely think that she was a manipulator, especially how defensive she got whenever she finally got interviewed without her husband there. Yep. Um, I definitely, I mean, so far I completely agree with your theory. And I think that they staged it to try to make it look like an outsider did it.

Yes. So that the blame wouldn't be put back on them on them, but I can't get away from the handwriting to me is too consistent with hers. The amount of money, knowing the exact dollar amount of the bonus, weird. Yeah. I mean, any other situation, like a ransom situation, and they said that on this special was you write like, give me a million dollars. I'll call you at this time.

And if you call police, you die or something like that, or the child dies. The other thing that they did not know in this 2020 special was. That morning, the 26th, Patsy Ramsey was still wearing the same. I was about to say that at the Christmas party. And that's a problem for me because I, I don't know about you, but, and then also, how did they notice so early in the morning? It was like before six a.m. That to me almost indicates that she never went to bed because I can tell you never went

to bed because my, I have, I have kids and even Lux sleeps. If he doesn't have school, he will sleep till seven, eight o'clock in the morning. Yep. I like, I know that five, you know, Isaac was a very, very early riser, but even still like a six year old, like that was when he was a baby, like one in two, like he would wake up at five. But by six years old, Isaac was sleeping at least until seven o'clock. There's no way that my kids, no, I just, I can't, I don't see it, especially after being

out at a Christmas party the night before they're sleeping in. Do you know what I'm saying? Like at least, at least an extra 30, 30 minutes, 45 minutes an hour, there's no way that these kids are waking up before six a.m. And the fact that she was still basically put together in the exact same way as she was the night before. Like I'm sorry. She never went to sleep.

But if you went to sleep, I don't care if you were like a former beauty queen, you know, whatever. Your makeup is going to be smudged. Yes. And if, let's say like you're calling the police because there's God forbid, like an emergency at your house with one of your children, you're not thinking about going to touch up your makeup and put in your earrings. Like I'm going to look like a hot mess express.

Like. Well, and the other thing too is like, I'm literally trying to put myself in that situation. I can't justify calling all of those people to my house at that time. Like I'm literally calling 911. And that's it. And like I'm not even thinking about anything else. Right. I mean, I know it's easier to say that we would do that, but like what would it look

like in real life, but just like thinking, okay, it's six in the morning and I can't find my child. I, I can't say that I would call like you and like Kristen and you know, people like I just, I can't see that like, what are you going to, you're going to come over and help me do what? Right. Like you're going to call someone that can immediately come over and like start assisting like emergency personnel.

Right. Right. So I don't, I don't know. I'm with you on your theory. I don't, I'm surprised that you thought I would disagree. I, I definitely agree. I 100 think 100% think it was Patsy Ramsey and I also think that her, and maybe I'm fucked up for this, but I think that her passing away from cancer, I was about to say it was

karma. I literally have said that like, and that sounds so bad, but I feel like, you know, what comes around goes around and maybe, you know, that's what, that's what it is. But I would love to hear everybody else's theories on this. If you agree, if you disagree, if you feel like we missed something or like you have a entirely different theory, but that's, that's a theory I'm on. I used to be like a major, you know, Berger, but then now I'm like, I'm off of that. I just, oh yeah.

I definitely don't think it was Burke too much info to discredit that theory basically anyhow though, I promised on my Instagram stories that we would talk about the topic. I did like a, um, like questions box thing and people could like write in or whatever. Yeah. It was like, basically if I agreed or disagreed with this, like true or false. And one of the things was people from messed up families make the best partners. And I said, I think it would be like a good podcast topic because I feel like there was too much to say about that to just like answer true or false.

And I've had this situation like actually come up in my real life. Um, so I just want to like kind of discuss it because I feel like will comes from a seemingly like there's normal is, um, not like an easy thing to like put your finger on and be like, Oh, well that's normal or that's normal. Like normal is relative to like whatever you think is normal. But to me, when I think of Will's family, I think like a sense of normalcy, I guess, like not a lot of like toxicity and dysfunction. It's just kind of like normal.

And I didn't come from that and I feel like a lot of our struggles within our marriage have stemmed from the fact of like a lack of understanding. And I think that as much as I wanted to be with someone that seemed to be like coming from this perfect life and whatever. It's actually been a little hard for me in my relationship for him not to be able to understand the dysfunction because people who do have dysfunction, um, in their life, it's hard to describe that or for people to understand unless they've been there. So for me, I feel like it almost would have been easier in hindsight for me to be with

someone who also was like a little messed up because they could understand. I think, um, I agree with you. I mean, I see both sides of it, like for me, I think a lot of the dysfunction in, you know, my childhood and growing up, um, affected the relationships that I was in as a young adult and a teenager, um, in a negative way. And it, I was very explosive, defensive, like, um, and a lot of other things. Um, I can't really think of, I mean, those two things immediately come to mind. But now that I'm almost 30, I, my temper has calmed down 10 fold.

Um, and I'm more empathetic. I'm more understanding. I'm more, um, I, I judge a lot less because I'm like, wait a minute, you know, I, I've been through some shit. I've been with people who have been through some shit and so we don't judge. And so we have like a better understanding, but then I also can see how someone who had a really shitty childhood, um, with a lot of dysfunction carries those impacts kind of like I had as a young adult, they never change.

They never get better because they don't, maybe they don't get therapy or maybe they just don't, you know what I mean? Like maybe they don't hit that breakthrough and so I could see how it could continue to be problematic throughout the rest of their relationships or their marriage or whatever that looks like. Um, I definitely have been with, with someone who had a lot of dysfunction that also was so loving and kind and like you would have never known that they went through what they went through.

So I just, I feel like there's just so much to be said about this. Yeah. I mean, there, there's so much to be said. And like you said, there's two sides of it, right? I feel like because of Will's sense of normalcy to me, um, it's allowed me to see normal. However, with that being said, there's also a lack of understanding like someone who, I guess me marrying Will, I was like, Oh, when I met him, I was like, Oh wow, you know, he has parents who have never been divorced and, you know, they've been married for like

almost 30 years and have built this like cute little life and have these three boys that, you know, all have college degrees and all, you know, seemingly pretty picture perfect. Right. And I think because I craved that so much that I like drawn to it, yes. But now looking back on it, I'm like, wow, and, and Will and I have had these conversations that, you know, sometimes we'll get an arguments and it just ultimately boils down to you've never experienced the kind of hurt that I have experienced so you can't understand the kind of hurt that I feel right.

And so then obviously there are things that I don't want to use the word triggered, but things that will still come up and affect certain ways that you handle things or, you know, your feelings on certain issues or topics and it's, he can't understand, you know, your perspective on something in a, in a way where someone who has been through her into dysfunction would be probably be able to understand your perspective and your point. 100%. And I feel like, and I don't know, I know that you will be able to relate to this when

I say this, but as far as like my parenting is concerned, I feel like because of what I lacked. You were able to present it. Yes. I was, I am able to present it to my child, but not in a way that I feel obligated to present it, but because I feel like that's what I'm supposed to do. And I don't, it's so weird to me. It comes naturally.

Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. That's exactly how I am. Yeah. It's funny that you say that cause I, I had seen hobbies, one of hobbies, good friends, the other, I guess it was like two weeks ago. He came to, to training, um, to see Lincoln train and, um, I've never had beef with this

friend and, um, he was like, you know, Kale, he was like, you're a lot of things. He was like, um, we don't have beef. This is like word for word. You're a lot of things, Kale, but I don't ever question your parenting. Like your parenting, you know, that's just one thing and, and have you never, never talk shit about your parenting. Like that's one thing that you, you're a lot of things, Kale, but, and I was, I, I just laugh because I think that mothering is something that comes natural to you and comes natural

to me. And that is because we provide what we lacked. Right. And it's so, and then it brings me into, because Will and I often get, and no, I wouldn't say arguments, but it's like just like a disagreement in the way that I do things versus the way he does things. And I'm like, okay, well, that's because you had like steady Eddie in your life, right? Like growing up.

So you never questioned anything and for me, I guess, because even though I parent from a place of what I lacked as a child, I feel like I'm doing the best thing for my child. Like for example, we'll, this is a disagreement we got into recently, um, Jackson, sometimes I feel like has a little bit of separation anxiety for me. So I think that's what causes him to come out of his room so often and he'll come like in my room and he'll be like, mom, and it's like just trying to find something to tell me and it's like, this has been going on since 2012, like he just, he's that way and it drives Will nuts and wills like very, very, very, very firm with him.

And for me, I'm like more of a coddler, like a redirector. And I don't know if it's just because I'm like afraid to mess up and like cause him trauma or something or like what, what the deal is, but I, and then it brings me to the point of do I only parent the way that I parent because of what I lacked or would I have been this way? If I had it, um, no, I think, I think both. I think that you parent the way you do because this is what you lacked and it just come. But then on the other hand, it just comes naturally to you.

So I think had you had it, I think you would still parent the same way. Cause then it's also an example that you had. So you're replicating what you were around, um, uh, to your, to your point, to your story, I, I don't see anything wrong with you. Like you said coddling him, but the kids, I mean, he's still young and I feel like they still need, that's a need that Jackson has that you're, you're still meeting. So to me, I don't see anything wrong with that. I've also been in a relationship where the other person was very firm and just like,

you know, you're a boy, you need to man up kind of thing, like suck it up and go to bed and, and, and I'm not that way though. I mean, I think every person has their breaking point. Like if it's just like incessant all night long and you know, you're asleep, you know, once in a while, you know, you're like, okay, I just need to sleep tonight. Um, but, but overall nine times out of 10, I don't see anything wrong with that. I think he's still young and, um, I don't know. Like, I'm like, I'm going to miss that one day, right?

Like, yes. And there's just something about a mom and her boys. Like I just don't, I get it. So I'm not, I don't fault you for that at all. I love it. Well, on a lighter note, I want to know how many parents send their kids to school. Oh God, I probably do this. Hold on.

Let's hear it. No, like dress to the nines, like they've been freshly showered and like look nice and all put together and then they come home and look like they've literally been out on a 12 day bender. Oh, um, yes, that's definitely happened. And like, I sometimes I go through this like struggle, like, do I even really want to put him in nice clothes? Like Lux is the one that goes to like Isaac and Lincoln go to hybrid Thursdays and Fridays.

And for the most part, I let them pick out their own outfits, but Lux, I sometimes I'm just like, why am I even going to put him in this nice like track suit if I don't know what he's going to get into and like what's going to happen? Like sometimes I don't even feel bad for throwing his hair in a bun for school because I'm like, you know what, there's probably going to be pain in his hair later. Like I don't even, it's fine. He's literally going to come home looking like he's been out on a 12 day bender. Like I'm not even kidding.

The other day I picked Jackson up from school. He gets, I like pull up for carpool and I can see, I don't know if you've ever felt this, every mom that's listening to this has, has felt this. They pulled up to get their kid from carpool and there's just like that look on their face. Like it's either going to be tears or a dramatic story. Like when they get in the car. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, that was the face. And then I look down and I'm like, okay, all over his fresh out of the box adidas like mud, like I know where this is going, caked all over and I'm like, what is going on? And then I look at his brand new under armor joggers and literally one whole side of them has mud, like all the way down the front. So then he goes into this dramatic story about how he accidentally slipped playing tag and how he was upset that he had to wear these clothes all day, like from recess and how

he just wanted to come home and change and his teacher said it was going to be okay. His mom could just wash them. I mean, it was like this whole dramatic event, but I just wonder like what the heck is going on at the school? Like, it's so funny that you bring this up because I literally thought to myself the other day, like I, the older boys not so well, Lincoln's, he's a wild card sometimes too. Um, like I don't, I cannot justify spending like all this money on shoes because I feel like first of all, I just, I bought Lincoln three new pairs of shoes because I don't know

where these, this kid's shoes go, but they're always disappearing and like he doesn't have shoes, right? But like, I can't, like I want him to have nice shoes for certain things, but then I want him to wear them, but then I also don't want them to get dirty. So then I have this like complex. Do I just get him like, like 10 doll, like, and there's nothing, I'm not attacking anyone who just gets their kids $10 shoes, like that's not what I'm saying. Um, we've all done it.

I want him like, like random, like inexpensive, like shoes from Walmart and just like have him wear them at school, but then I also don't want that. I don't want him to like not wear his nice shoes. Like I go through this thing all the time or I'm like, this is literally every mom. I told you good because I told you all the time this yes. And I'm like, okay, you're going to school in Crocs from this point forward and like, and just like hose them down afterwards. I'm just, well, and then you go through the thing of, I guess you have a child that's

in the age of where people might say something if he's wearing something like silly to school. But Jackson, I feel like it's still at the age and Lincoln's still at the age that people probably like still wouldn't care. But I think every single mom that's listening to this can relate to like wanting their kids to have nice things, but then like everything getting torn up and will constantly yelling at me being like, why does he have five pair of tennis shoes and the same size? And it's like, okay, well, these are nice shoes for like these events. And these are like, shoot, if, if he's ever going with will, he has like a specific pair

of shoes and I'm just like, what the hell, like this is just, this is just nuts. Like raising kids is hard, man. It's so hard and nobody talks about this stuff. Like I, I'm in a constant struggle of wanting them to have nice things. And like, even if it's just decent and they just look put together, I'm fine with it. But then like, I spent the money on it. So like, I don't, I also still don't want that to be dirty. So like, even if they were just like $10 beater shoes, like from Walmart, like I still kind

of don't want them to get root. Like I just say, I'm like, I don't care if it's $10 or $30, like I spent the money on it. Let's keep it nice and like look put together at least. I don't care how much it costs, but like if it looks nice, like let's keep it nice. And I just can't, and then like today, um, one of the dads came to pick up the, um, I don't, I don't want to give away the situation, um, pick them up and, um, you know, I specifically put on this outfit that came in, um, my, the stitch fit stitch fix box.

And then I put on the shoes that he bought for him so that I was like, okay, like if these get ruined, you're, you know, you're with your dad, he bought them. I'm not responsible. I'm like, I don't know. Like I just, but I also, even though they was, it was from the, from his dad, I was like, I still just don't ruin it nice. Like don't ruin them. Like, I don't know if you're like when he's going to get you another pair.

So like let's keep them nice. Like I, it's a constant struggle. Like I'm, I'm so glad that we, we relate in this and I'm sure every mom does. And we're going to end on the fact, it's going to be a question. I need to know how many parents are, if you're like in a co-parenting situation or if your kids go to their grandparents, like on weekends or whatever, how many people are like stingy about the clothes that they send their kids in and like don't want them to mess it up. And then like they want them, please return them, return them.

Yeah. I want to know, because I guarantee you 90% of the people that answer this question are going to feel the exact same way you feel and the exact same way I feel. But anyhow, well, this has been fun. Now, now I have to go and sit in carpool or pickup line, whatever you say, um, and you know, still to this day, people send me funny things. I know. I love it.

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